You can listen to the full interview here: player.captivate.fm/episode/cbcd4f0e-c318-4381-a60c-23261f92a707 Also available on all podcast platforms Appreciate the love.

"the only thing he wasn't interested in, was Money." Well said. Never a truer word spoken about the late, great, Anthony H. Wilson. The man was interested in Art and art. Incredibly important to and for, Manchester. Wilson is one of the best examples of the way/s in which One Man, CAN change the world. RIP, Tony Wilson.

What a great bloke Peter is. Had a hard life too. But Joy Division will always remain timeless. C. 05 - 2023

Crazy seeing Peter Hook 🪝 WITHOUT a beard! the guys emotional bass tone throughout Joy Division is just beautiful. Obviously I was looking at the thumbnail 😂

What a great interview. I’d say mr hook has had a zillion interviews and never had the fun of this one. I was around in the hacienda days and became a dj loving all of the madchester scene. ( left school in 88). I’ve never seen Peter hook look so happy with the questions. Much love 💚💚👍👍🤗👍👍

Great memories. I was there working for Factory as well as Factory NY, from about 1985 - 1988...it was crazy and so much fun! Tony Wilson and his saddlebag. He did love being in the spotlight.

How lovely to see Peter Hook looking and sounding so well. Thanks for posting this 😊

Tony Wilson came to watch my old band play a gig at the smaller gig room at the hacienda, and we met him briefly backstage. This was 96, or 97. Most people you meet off the telly are smaller in real life, but Tony was tall, with an Aura to match. He completely dominated the room, and had a charisma that made you just want to pay attention. At the time, although I loved the Monday’s and new order, I only really knew him as the guy introducing Performance off the Monday’s VHS tape. If you were a northerner he used to introduce new bands on the telly, but, being a southerner, I didn’t know him from Adam. Figured he was a local news guy, because he kind of looked like he would do the 6 o’clock news. Very square is what I’m saying. Anyway, he came in, took a seat and began to hold court. At the time I used to drink heavily after gigs, and we had some a&r people there from Columbia and One little Indian who were wooing us. I remember looking over and seeing Bez, sat cross legged backstage rolling a spliff and saying “aw man, Sean’s proper LOST it.” This must have been about the time that Shaun Ryder had held up Dry bar with a pistol. I can’t really remember too much else as we were whisked off for free drinks at the Brittanian hotel with the A&R guys, where we proceeded to freak out the well to do patrons in the bar there. But, that image of Tony has been burned into my mind, sat there with his long grey overcoat and tv presenter hair. His verdict on us stung as much as it makes me laugh today: “the world doesn’t need another dub star.”

@NOWtheband

3 жыл бұрын

Excellence.

@Mardyfella

2 жыл бұрын

Terrific

@wjs6559

Жыл бұрын

Ok nâo falo inglês .

I miss Tony and everything he brought to the city. It was a fantastic creative and culturally inspiring and aspirational time. There is no depth or any real spirit of art and creativity in contemporary music culture now.

A1 interview, well done. Peter comes across great here. Great insight.

@noverrr4508

2 жыл бұрын

the last word of ur comment is the best joy division song

Really great interview. Thanks.

What I love whenever listening to Hooky talking about Tony Wilson (or even talking with Tony in earlier interviews) is that he is never bitter about the money, but for all the right reasons would probably wish it to be done no differently if living it all again. It is very easy for people to laugh at Factory from a from a business point of view, but as he says, doing so totally misses the point!

@leonardocarneiro9520

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@anthonycraddock6739

5 ай бұрын

They weren’t short of a Bob or two regardless what hooky says

@islaws4589

5 ай бұрын

@@anthonycraddock6739 Suspect they were in pound notes for several years compared to many artists in that era with success...and likely made more post' Hacienda from their catalogue

Love that Audi story, classic

@robertbrown8362

3 жыл бұрын

I love Hooky'a Hacienda book

People mistake 'situationalists' like Tony Wilson and Malcolm Maclaren for businessmen They made statements not money, you can only take one of those to the grave

@robertloader9826

3 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@revol148

3 жыл бұрын

@Old Skool Fool Tony Wilson, Alan McGee, Malcolm Maclaren - all made their fortunes, reputations and based their business empires on the backs of the artists they signed - they themselves were talentless although may have indeed had charisma which is what they tended to be remembered for.

@robertloader9826

3 жыл бұрын

'All made their fortunes, reputations and based their business empires on the backs of the artists they signed' Surely as owners of record companies that would be their job? Hardly exploitative is it. And the 'business empires' would be the record companies that facilitated the careers of the 'talent' he was representing? As Hooky says here; creative, entrepreneurial, philanthropist, catalyst. Equal to talent in my book.

@revol148

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertloader9826 (a) exactly! my point is that such people - Alan McGee is the best example are themselves not talented just leeches on successful bands but the way people like McGee talk about "finding" Oasis you would think he wrote the songs himself - the fact that Oasis would have eventually signed to another record label is never given a consideration ! (b) I'm not sure Wilson is worthy of that quote from Hooky and to be fair having read one of Hook's books (the time in new order) he doesn't seem to have a good word about anyone in spite of the fact that when he went solo: Monaco, Revenge it was made brutally clear to him that without Curtis/Sumner to write the songs he's a fish out of water - even his Joy Division/new Order tribute act nowadays is a struggle for him as he can't sing to save his life ! (c) on a side issue I do find this current obsession with the recent past in Manchester utterly depressing (at least 5 films in the past 16 years) - that city is getting as bad as Liverpool now in the nostalgia stakes.Look to the future not dwell in the past - if Johnny Marr was starting out now I'm sure he would be in a tribute band !

@kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631

2 жыл бұрын

Situationists were COMMUNISTS

I am in total agreement with Peter Hook. At 7.06, I want to tell him: " An ideal for living that, without you and your band mates, wouldn't have been achieved. A glorious period for Art, creativity, achievements by and for Working Class youth which, was made possible by your hard work, Mr. Hook. Thank You for giving us something to live for during those terrible Thatcher years.

sick mate! obsessed with ur podcast rn

Right place right time right combo of people. Contingency is a brilliant thing.

Great interview!

I would love to have a browse through hookys cd collection behind him.

Legend

Love hooky think what he done with light deserves huge respect

Tony Wilson @ SXSW 2003...Austin TX...Promoting new talent...ASH, & the brit new wave....He was a Marketeer ....And thank's to him he marketed "Joy Division" ...

Tony and Rob Visionaries artists and now Legends

Tony was a business man first.he was blown away by the influence music was having on the people n admittedly underestimated the affect it had on Himself.x.

The sad thing is that after all the great music they made with Joy Division and New Order that it all ended with bitter confrontation. I bet they had so many great times as well and one spark and a fire starts and pride seems to stop it being put out. Seems to happen a lot in the music industry.

Proud Manc in the house

A great interview i have a lot off time for all these great guys from factory even though Hooky is a red i dont hold it against him😄👍

Whole thing about NO breakup is totally sad. Think about it these guys (Hook and Bernie) have been together from Grammar school days . Grew up , became legendary....then when they needed to reap benefits ...they split

Holy Tony Wilson.

Damn I didn’t realize I loved tony Wilson

Have to agree with Tony here. Never was fond of The Smiffs nor The Stone Roses. Good man!

Bro, that's Ian Curtis on your shirt.

I Love 'Hooky' all my life! dx

I remember Wilson asking me what I thought about the Stone Roses. I was 14, and thought they were godlike. He said they were shit and gave me a demo cassette saying, 'THIS is the best band in Manchester!'. It was Northside.

@bendover9663

3 жыл бұрын

Northside made a few good tunes tbf but aside from a few good tunes yes they didn't have the staying power

@robertloader9826

3 жыл бұрын

@@bendover9663 or talent. or style.

Is it me or is Hooky mellowing?!

Hooky gave new order a distinctive sound...top bloke.

@rayvaughan3197

2 жыл бұрын

He gave them a bassline, alongside Stephen's drums Gillians synths ,Bernard's vocal ....that gave NO its distinctive sound! This "in fashion" NO are nothing without Hooky is dismissive boring bullshit!

Now the suits have taken even the name away from us

is worth noting that hook never played a single record in the hac but nowadays gets billed on hac reunions like he was a resident dj. same as jazzie b never played in the africa centre. know your history folks because it aint like you been told!

@jayveebloggs9057

Жыл бұрын

sure but Hooky was always there setting up for bands etc and since he funded it in part he has the right....,

@nobbystyles4807

Жыл бұрын

@@jayveebloggs9057 agree 100% with that. i do get a bit hung up on the details sometimes. in my defense its a wonder i remember any of it 😃

@paulheap1982

Жыл бұрын

It's worth noting that you're talking complete bollocks and it took seconds to prove that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eot6sLyggsW3haw.html

He didnt' TURN DOWN.

I loved that Hooky hated Shaun and mondays…. How do you hate the Mondays ?? Lol

2:01 and the reason you didn't ditch Tony Wilson and his failing empire and sign to another record label is?

@bendover9663

3 жыл бұрын

Loyalty??

@revol148

3 жыл бұрын

@@bendover9663 Tony Wilson : come on Bernard if there was a button which you could press which would make the Hacienda disappear forever I bet you wouldn't press it? Bernard Sumner: show me the fucking button !

There were plenty of other clubs and music venues around Manchester before the Hacienda arrived hence why the Hacienda was so empty for the first five years, the only reason it’s become of any significance at all today is because acid arrived in 1988 which combined with house music made it the legend it’s become today. Without those two factors it’d be remembered as just another music venue. And a cold one at that with poor sound. The reason Factory didn’t sign the Roses was because they didn’t sign knockabout goth type bands which is exactly what they were before Fools Gold. The Smiths didn’t fit the pretentious remit of factory either. Manchester wasn’t rock and roll, it was grim and stark back then and factory reflected that but neither was it as monochrome as Factory painted it. Hooky is right however that Wilson was 100% the fire beneath all of what became the legacy of Factory and the Hacienda that changed Manchester forever for the better.

I never quite understood the English fans of this period. Someone help me with this. Why would his fans want to smash his car?

@rael1999

3 ай бұрын

They weren't fans...they were just jealous twats !

Turning down the Smiths SMH

Happy Mondays were absolute garbage, musically and personally… without them a lot of good smart honest people would have had an easier life. I tend to agree with Tony’s statements on almost everything… except the Mondays. Awful people, awful music. Every time a single came out it was worse than the last one. I call emperor’s clothes on that.

@maireadrooney1638

Жыл бұрын

Wow.i heard it all now! Blaming the 'Mondays 4 peeps f*chin up in life.again,wow.

@jayveebloggs9057

Жыл бұрын

brought hard drugs and gangsters to the hac nd killed it...

@paulheap1982

Жыл бұрын

@@maireadrooney1638 hope you realise thier album Yes Please was what killed Factory in the end.

@moosemoss2645

4 ай бұрын

Incredible music.

@sub-jec-tiv

4 ай бұрын

@@paulheap1982 They also pissed away most of New Order’s money from their earlier records.

Tony waas very entrepreneurial... the only thing he wasn't interested in was money.

He's getting old.

@PS987654321PS

3 жыл бұрын

So are you.

@CoreyHague

3 жыл бұрын

Getting old is better than the alternative.

@NOWtheband

3 жыл бұрын

Who isn't?

@leonardocarneiro9520

3 жыл бұрын

He's aging pretty well.

If Factory had been run properly it could still be going now, helping bands and Manchester today, read Peter's book on the subject, shameful ineptitude, before you can be a philanthropist, you need to earn the money, rather than ripoff New Order and Joy Division, not to mention Ian Curtis' widoa and daughter.