Well done Elizabeth! I think that Peter is always worth listening to but not always easy to converse with. You produced a very good interview.

Gosh I'm pleased I wasn't the interviewer in this dialogue. He was not an easy man to interview :) Well done to the interviewer

@thesacredpodcast

5 күн бұрын

Thanks very much for listening! 🙏

@richardlancaster9078

3 күн бұрын

I would feel privileged to spend time with Peter Hitchens. Very interesting man.

@JimJamJuicy

Күн бұрын

@@thesacredpodcastyes very well done. Peter’s honesty sometimes sounds rude but I like him he’s very straight forward and you did very well with this. Got my sub 👌

@thesacredpodcast

Күн бұрын

@@JimJamJuicy thank you! 🙏

Peter is one of the big reasons I reconverted to Christianity. He’s very often a prophet and is akin to mustard: you either loathe him or love him. I’m the latter!

@thesacredpodcast

5 күн бұрын

Lovely to hear! Thanks for watching 🙏

@zeno2501

5 күн бұрын

Me too. I love Peter. He is misunderstood by many, I think. A very deep and gentle man.

@julianchase95

5 күн бұрын

@@zeno2501yes… and I hope God utterly wraps him in love and dissolves all his prickliness, wounds and defensiveness

@albertito77

5 күн бұрын

@@julianchase95ha ha I think that will happen in the purifying fires after his death making him ready for heaven.

@JayJay-wg5ex

4 күн бұрын

i don't loathe or love him lol but he's great

Excellent interview Elizabeth. It was very interesting at how you cannot get a person to reveal themselves when they don’t want open up. However, you combined a deep respect for Peter’s privacy with an obvious diligence of studying what he has already publicly revealed to create an intriguing conversation.

Lovely traditional schools where we had our Christian assemblies, and particularly the public schools had the best Christian teaching. Me, I was ordinary secondary modern, but yet we can hear the wonderful knowledge that comes back into its own when boys from public schools came to really believe, later in life: C.S. Lewis, Derek Prince, Bear Grylls [he didn't like it, but he knew God was real] and Douglas Murray has that great knowledge of the old style bible teaching, although Douglas calls himself agnostic.

I’m a huge fan of Peter. He always seems an unwilling participant when he’s being interviewed about himself, every response he gives comes across like he’s trying to disagree with the question and shut down any flow in conversation 😂 but you did a great job nonetheless

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

It was certainly a clash of styles, but there was something almost enjoyable about that... thanks for watching!

@benphilips9918

2 күн бұрын

There is no such thing as a two-way conversation with Peter. He likes to talk at people and have them listen to him. He's a awkward so and so and gas no wish to be put under scrutiny.

Great interview. Glad to hear his story to faith. 1:02:03 "That is where I would sit." Cracked up as you were outing yourself. And then he talks about happy clappy and the speaks in tongues! Your reaction was priceless. Q: Would you like to pray? 1:02:32 "Nooo" (...like him: )

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

Will live in our minds rent free for years to come!

@RonCopperman

3 күн бұрын

Lol !​@@thesacredpodcast

Elozabeth is doing a fine job here. Peter sifts questions very quickly, and doesnt mind being contrary and difficult. Shes very good and empathetic, perceptive and well able to adapt her thinking..impressive!

Fascinating conversation, Elizabeth! Thank you... ☝️😎

As usual, a great conversation Elizabeth. Not many people can make the kind of connection with Peter Hitchens that you seemed to here. By the way, the director of the film Freud's Last Session spoke in an interview recently about how he, through this film, is trying to encourage people to have more conversations, and more mutually respectful conversations, across ideological divides. I think he may well have contributed to that in the film. I would love to see him (and maybe Matthew Goode, who plays CS Lewis in the film) in conversation with you!

Elizabeth has more patience than I can give here. I switched off at 5.41, after Elizabeth asked, could Peter say what truth and justice mean to him?; and he dismissed the request by answering lazily, 'Not really no, they seem to me to be quite unmistakeable'

Loved this…..he s a prickly character but you drew him out from behind his armour. I have always found him fascinating, love his brain…..he’ll hate this but now i’m a bit fond of him too, have subscribed 😊

@thesacredpodcast

4 күн бұрын

Thanks so much! Really glad you enjoyed the conversation 😊

Our beautiful Elizabeth thank you for attending unto our OWN! Love you too! Without shame but with boldness! Yes, thy shared "i" AM beautiful came with sincere conversations given just for thee! Obviously sincere answers will be given. Reason my Time liken unto my messenger sent forth! Before HIS COMING VISITATIONS

A teacher threw a book at me in religious class and called me a heretic I wish I could remember what I said it was 60 years ago. I probably didn't know what a heretic was .IVE been a believer since I was 18

About faith, I think he makes a good point that most people don't need a set of syllogisms to make them Christian. In fact they just won't work. It's through narrative, art, poetry, music-- the whole person! If you are a Protestant then a non-Woke church that offers the BCP is a good place to start.

Yes Peter! My biggest fear as a parent is motor traffic. Luckily, here in a small village near Tbilisi, Georgia, my children get to cycle off into the fields and have fun, unsupervised. It's still scary but we allow them anyway.

I really appreciate you interviewing Peter Hitchens. Thankyou for this Elizabeth, I enjoyed it a lot.

@thesacredpodcast

Күн бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Enjoyable interview.

Love Peter, but everytime he would disagree with Elizabeth's question and characterisation of an episode in his life - the next words out of Peter's mouth would be the definition of Elizabeth's characterisation. All Peter's push back and recoiling at Elizabeth's questions and analysis of his life is indicative of a desire to humble himself, to rebuff any notion that he or his life is exceptional; it's why he downplays everything to do with himself. Peter gives off an air of self-righteousness, but, personally, he is really quite self-effacing.

Hope too hear more from PH

can i just say, i am new to you but the way you handle Hitchens's unique honesty in his answering, is commendable? I am very much enjoying the chat, though bringing memories of his talk on Alex Cosmic Skeptic...

@thesacredpodcast

5 күн бұрын

Thank you! Really appreciate it. Anything in particular stand out to you?

@Enhancedlies

5 күн бұрын

@@thesacredpodcast I thought you came across with honesty and the way you challenged without a sense of righteousness. Hitchens is really interesting to listen to when he is relaxed and you got a great deal of interesting opinions from him. I have never heard the Lenin Maxim which was 'take the bayonet insert it, uh if you encounter a mush continue to push if you got a steel try somewhere else' ... there was a lot of mush around' I will be watching your discussion with Haidt soon - if you can handle Hitchens then it deserves some respect haha

@julianchase95

5 күн бұрын

⁠@@EnhancedliesI felt terribly sad for Peter watching that car crash of an interview… I was one of the vanishingly few people who commented in part-defence of Peter in the comments section. O’Connor could absolutely have cut the tape and entreated him to a peace, and either continued the interview, or not published the confrontation. It was massively self-serving for him to have published it, a rising figure with a “gotcha” of an established figure. I felt then how wounded and vulnerable Peter must feel a lot of the time.

@Plotinolycopolino

5 күн бұрын

​@@Enhancedlies Alex had laid a trap for him. Into which he fell.

@Volcanic47

3 күн бұрын

@@Plotinolycopolino I don't think Alex laid a trap or had any malicious intent prior to that interview, but his misreading the signals given by Hitchens to move on showed a lack of interview interpersonal skills in his part and his publishing it against Hitchens wishes was in part to defend himself against Hitchens posts on twitter. All in all neither side looked good, Alex should have handled it better reading the room, Hitchens should have responded better too tho. I still like both of em tbh.

Yes, he is a nightmare but brilliant and incisive and speaks the truth in a direct and blunt way.

Really enjoyed this interview. It is very interesting listening to someone so disagreeable. I think there is a lot of oversharing nowadays and I liked his value of privacy. I agree with Elizabeth that our lives are not cliche, though it made me reflect on my own teenage political journey and the ways on which it did and didn't fit the pattern.

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing! Really glad you enjoyed the conversation 😊

Unless I'm mistaken, the question in the title doesn't appear to have been addressed in the conversation. A pity.

Great channel. Just found it. Subscribed!

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

Welcome!

I like you both. I don’t think either of you come from too different a place or can see much contrast in what you both believe. Peter is a good man. He’s come from a position where he has come full circle. He’s a natural contrarian. But a kind soul. I read his book, rage against god, and you did a good job asking questions on what he wrote, but he almost wants to disagree with himself at times. Great job. 😉

"You don't see many modern day Last Judgments" ,lol, mic drop etc. well delivered.

Great interview

Interviewing Sam Gerrans would be a wild one

Peter should attend an Orthodox Church

I really enjoyed Elizabeth's PH trigger warning. I wonder how many of us love him as much as we love her.

It difficult but very good inetrview to listen to.

@thesacredpodcast

5 күн бұрын

Thank you for listening!

If there is an "English Chartres" [46:00] then that title has to go to the Trinity Chapel of Canterbury Cathedral: not to York Cathedral. Chartres' glass is characterised by a luscious use of deep reds and blues: and the Becket Windows at Canterbury reproduce that, wonderfully. Even the modern windows by Ervin Bossanje, continue this vibrant tradition. The problem with speaking of wanting 'justice' within the created order, is that human beings (including Jews and Christians) are prone to repay God's compliment, by making him in our own image, with our conception of 'justice'. Many churchgoers (the majority?) seek to reify, or even weaponise, the Decalogue, or the 'lex talionis', to demonstrate that their concept of the 'Iusticia Dei' is sound. But Jesus of Nazareth (who seems to get little mention here) skewered those conceptions with two, thoroughly biblical sayings, which emphasise the goodness and justice of the ONLY One who is Holy: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone", and "the Sabbath is made for man; not man for the Sabbath". Contemporary society, let alone the Church, tends to find those two teachings rather difficult to 'take on board'.

I can't see many readers feeling reassured after reading Peter HItchens articles. I may agree with a lot of what he says, but they are generally all of a pessimistic outlook into how society is going. He has such a wide array of opinions too that I'd imagine it's a rarity for readers to agree with all he has to say. That said, he is a much better writer than speaker, and he can be a great speaker/debater at times like in some of his question time appearances, other times not so much.

Please interview Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad (Dr Timothy Winters) of Cambridge

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion!

Peter is a pale shadow of his late brother I’m afraid, not only does he appear to believe in the impossible he is also impossible in discussion! 🙂

Evensong is reason enough to get back into church.

I relate to Peters desire for justice in the universe, but in the Middle East for example honour and loyalty far outweigh Justice. I don't think God isn't looking for perfect humans that carry out life justly (take King David), granted that is a good thing, He is looking for those with loyalty to Him above all else. ( and of course covenant with Jesus deals with the sin / justice bit).

Being cliche is fine. Originality is overrated. See Chesterton's Orthodoxy for details.

How I wish I was Mr Oldfield….. :)

Forgiveness, salvation, and the Redeemer sitteth. Judgment and justice come here in front and remind! LORD thy Seat! Will visit all who am I casting thy Judgment and Justice! Time

Dear Elizabeth, Peter mentions you can't prove God. As a former city lawyer, CEO of a data analytics company, I believe you can, in any event "beyond a reasonable doubt," because of prophecy. (Isaiah 46:8-10). I spend a lot of my time talking to groups of men particularly about this. It's a game changer. Jesus is King!

Time come here in front and remind! LORD for the who am I and principalities who deceiveth and murderers sitting in high places unseen nor seen in front of thee!

Why does he always seem annoyed to be asked anything in an interview? He agreed to be interviewed, didn’t he?

Sometimes it may feel 'cozy' inside yourself, to want the tradition and homogeneity of a Christian hegemony. But never forget the same problems that plague 'liberalism' are several levels of torment worse, when people are filled with 'unchallenged' religious conviction. It has been quite a long time now... since Christianity was declawed in the West. The cozy feeling of a return, might arouse warm nostalgic emotions in you. But humans 'blessed from above' ...ordained with supreme power here on earth... is a recipe, for a return to the darkest of dark ages and a violent reign of death and inhumanity. Use it personally if you must, but don't wish it to control your society. Let Christianity sleep... and only in your dreams let it breathe. Only there, wishing it were a pure panacea and not its reality, of it just being another incredibly dangerous tool. To be so easily wielded by charismatic, yet extremely dangerous people.

What is truth and justice? Unto all puppets Who am I? Pawns from these principalities who deceiveth and murderers sitting in high places unseen nor seen exalted themselves above! Don't belongs sitting! The SON OF MAN HIS ANGELS WHO PERSEVERE AND HEARD THE WORD WILL SAY, unto all these principalities left their habitation. Exalted themselves above! Remember HIS TIME LIKEN UNTO HIS MESSENGER SENT FORTH! For Thee! Just know I HAVE LOVED THEE! BEFORE VISITATIONS

It’s a pity he called one of he’s book journeys in Mordor while travelling abroad When Mordor was The Worst Aspects Of Modernity in the West

Stupid government in UK and Church Pastors Who has no sense of responsibility for the congregation's Christian faith from the influence of the other religion .Indeed I am from Muslim mayority country, very sad and disappointed in UK.Learned from RAMSES PARAON ,who did not want his nation to be dominated and influenced by other nations.Everyone has written in Bible. 😢😢😢🙏

Harking backwards to religious beliefs of demonstrably corrupt institutions is not going to cut the mustard. We need religion alright, but it has to combine what we know from science and the rise of individualism that honours the individual at the centre of the mystery (and not deferring to morally bankrupt authority). Religion should not be used as a prop to hold up a cultural system that honours neither man nor nature. That's not its purpose.

@piushalg5041

3 күн бұрын

Show me any institution who is free of corruption. And I would assume that you do not want to eliminate the state and its primary institutions. 😊

My approach to God are absolutes Sonoluminescence:"Let there be light" I'll demonstrate the accuracy of Scripture in my video 'Begining of understanding ' where I give examples of transmutation by electrical process of genetically superior creatures, my icon is a seraph kneeling for example

Visitations will say, ye all exalted! Made HIS HOUSE A REBELLIOUS HOUSE!

He said in another interview that he returned to religion because he preferred order over chaos. I often wonder if he is actually a cultural Christian rather than a true believer.

@Birdy890

4 күн бұрын

I would certainly assume he's not the latter, but of course that's for God to judge. I do hope he's saved and his articulation about the painting 'moving' him is what makes me think he's indeed saved and understands the gospell. The 'trouble' with him is he's very closed off. Not that I blame him one iota but I suspect the personal things he refuses to go into also occupy his faith. I think his flat refusal to pray is an example of this, I can't put my finger on if it's pride or if it's just his more virtuous trait of not wanting to appear pious or holier-than-thou. Either way he's admirable and a good force no matter how 'pessimistic' he may come off as.

@RonCopperman

4 күн бұрын

I think he's quite genuine... the Last few minutes actually reveal his real position. It's hidden in the laughter between the both of them.

Wait a little our little precious NEW Minds Sons and Daughters! Have no fault of their own! Living in a REBELLIOUS HOUSE!

hes amazing

@JayJay-wg5ex

4 күн бұрын

the interviewer is unbearable, she is unaware of her narrowness, i grew up anglican and everyone talks like that, like on a set of playschool, an australian show for children

@littleboots9800

4 күн бұрын

​@@JayJay-wg5explayschool was a fixture of British childhoods too. "Let's have a look through the....ROUND window!"

I wish he had gone into spiritual things much more than he did. He circles around but never dives right in.

Can't take him seriously since he acted like a complete ass towards Alex O'Conner.

@joebrennan.4389

4 күн бұрын

Ahhhhh... poor you.

He prefers talking to people rather than engage in two-way conversation. He's not interested in other people's opinions.

Pop Hitchens should the SON OF MAN replace old hands to be made NEW HANDS? Harmonious as intended. 1 body

Tip of time come here in front! Remind! LORD Thy Feet resting upon the NEW very tip of time! Indeed

Well, if you can’t run with the big boys stay in the bench… who’s the guest super here?

Bring all who have made HIS HOUSE A REBELLIOUS HOUSE IN FRONT! Of the SON OF MAN. Sitteth upon the right hand of the Father God of the Living. The WORD the "i" AM.

Ask him about drug legalization

@Ethos582

4 күн бұрын

😂don't set him off

Hitchens is comically unreasonable. I very much appreciate his opinions but find myself cracking up at times because he's so polite with his stubbornness.

Peter Hitchens often seems to use the politicians method of answering a question which is to not answer the actual question but something he has on his mind. Difficult bloke to interview and I think it was Alex O Connor who showed him up for the difficult and combative man that he is.

Calvin Robinson

Females are to be silent and ask their husband. Never to preach. Only attend to younger females who seek the experience of older females.

Jonathan Haidt and Peter Hitchens? That is a very impressive canon for a channel that typically gets sub 1000 views per video. They can clearly see the value in your content and in your soul ❤️ keep up the good work

@tobytilsed5333

3 күн бұрын

And Freddie Sayers and Ian McGilchrist!

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

Thank you! We came a little late to KZread so are building our following here slowly. But have been around the block since 2017 in podcast form! Really grateful for these brilliant minds giving up their time to come on. If you haven't already, definitely recommend watching some of those other interviews you mentioned!

@tobytilsed5333

3 күн бұрын

Excellent. Thanks for your response, too. In terms of the 7 deadly sins theme, if you haven't already covered Greed I would wholeheartedly recommend trying to get Gary Stevenson on.

@thesacredpodcast

3 күн бұрын

We did an episode on avarice (the word I use in my book) with Caroline Lucas, so unfortunately taken. But Gary is a great suggestion either way for a future episode!

@tobytilsed5333

3 күн бұрын

@@thesacredpodcast that's interesting - from what I hear the Greens have just adopted Gary's economic position in their manifesto verbatim. Thanks for taking the time to respond and I'll keep my fingers crossed with regards an episode with Gary 🤞

At 1:09, referring to Marxist-Leninist ideas, you say: "Not everyone would agree with this, what he would narrate as the logical endpoint of those ideas in Stalinist Soviet Russia." Let's look at that. I'm Hungarian. I lost my father's family in what can only be described as the Red Holocaust. (Deportations, ethnic cleansing, massacres, you know, what you call 'peace'.) First, when Peter was in Russia, Stalin was long dead, so it was not 'Stalinist', but "Leninist'. As someone who experienced the reality of Marxism Leninism, I must say this is deeply hurtful, like a kind of Holocaust Denial, when you say: "not everyone would agree". Well, if you regret the fall of our Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall, I strongly suggest you read that book you claim to believe in, and I would expect an apology from you. An apology to all the people who had to live in that hell!

Bit of a grumpy old fart was Peter, in this one. Not sure why he accepts interviews if, as it seems, he'll spend most of the time being a bit of a closed-off curmudgeonly bore. He was much more interesting 10 years ago. Maybe time to retire altogether.

Hahahahaha 'it wasn't a 'moment'!

Barracks life

Liz, please avoid repeatedly adjusting your glasses. When this is done, it seems the person is trying to look intelligent. I am sure you already are intelligent. If your glasses are slipping down or sliding around, please, get new glasses.

Cant prove God ,really ,,, try reading Romans 1 28 to 32 k j , and as for happy clappy ,,,, you can keep it , not for me .

I’m surprised Peter Hitchens didn’t walk off and cry.

@Birdy890

4 күн бұрын

What?

@tonycoxall7370

2 күн бұрын

Really? I wasn’t at all, having seen him interviewed dozens of times.

@tiermacgirl

2 күн бұрын

I hope you have got over your surprise

I am surprised he didnt storm out like a toddler

@seanmoran2743

5 күн бұрын

🙄

@kil93

5 күн бұрын

Well the interviewer actually asks an array of varied and intelligent questions instead of asking cliched questions about drugs for 50 minutes

@mokeboi3328

5 күн бұрын

​@@kil93lol

@Rootle2

5 күн бұрын

At least he didn't make sarky insults like a teenager

@k-3402

5 күн бұрын

​@@kil93Yeah, that's totally a valid justification for acting like an obnoxious man-baby.

Peter is one of the most annoying people to listen to. He speaks his mind almost to the point of a technique to purposefully be awkward to the max. Lets see how this goes........well done Elizabeth for bringing him on.

@kil93

5 күн бұрын

So you'd rather someone not speak their mind ?

@elcapitan24

5 күн бұрын

@@kil93 speaking one's mind is an unfortunate habit that seems right to the speaker but is annoying to the hearer. one should speak of the common mind rather than their own. things that are relevant to others not just yourself and your narrow view of the world

@kil93

5 күн бұрын

@elcapitan24 But if you're being interviewed about yourself (as this interview is), then speaking your mind is surely paramount ? And even if he wasnt being asked about himself, speaking your mind and providing your interpretation of things is surely more beneficial than bleeting with the flock and expressing opinions already in mainstream circulation ?

@Enhancedlies

5 күн бұрын

@@elcapitan24 what an insane thing to say

@elcapitan24

5 күн бұрын

@@kil93we have a curious mix of dark and light in this interview. a woman able to speak selflessly and ask questions about the person she's interviewing, and a self-centreed functional narcissist that's able to talk about himself and his thoughts endlessly (all thoughts by the way being reductive and negative). i feel sorry for hitchens, he is a british jordan peterson who thinks he has value because of his broken generation valuing complete and utter darkness and death. he things his modicum of light in worshipping jesus can save him from the looming void that dominates his mind. it cannot and it will not. his opinions have absolutely no value, yet it's all he has.