I'm convinced that half of Peter Attila's success is his incredibly pleasant speaking voice. Not only is he pleasant to listen to, but he sounds so intelligent. He's basically who you would cast in a movie to tell the president that a large asteroid is coming towards Earth. Chris, you would be cast as the nerd that the president didn't listen to at first, but was right all along.

@Joseph1NJ

5 ай бұрын

Don't look up!

@helicart

5 ай бұрын

Greater than half of Peter's success can be found in the demographics of his internet audience.....mostly younger males with no formal education in the biological sciences, wanting to look jacked.

@stacyegan5719

5 ай бұрын

I wonder if he studied the speaking patterns of Sam Harris.

@Scottlp2

5 ай бұрын

How about he's in great shape (would you rather look like Gregor or Attia?) , was a world class athlete and has a team of researchers going over the data for him. Not sure I agree with his high protein recommendations, but if he is correct than all the plant based folks have a problem.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

@@Scottlp2 Not really, p[ant aminos are present and cheap and if one wants a equal result. Lysine and such, more plant protein will equal animals with more volume consumed. So two avenues for equal effect.

One thing for sure is that I hope Chris lives a good long time and keeps cranking out these amazing in depth and honest video essays. Thanks for your work and careful reading. Best of health to you and your wife.

@veganfortheanimals6994

5 ай бұрын

I second that

I couldn't take Attia seriously after watching the interview with Rich Roll where he refused to talk about diet. I think of you are a longevity expert and can't defend your own diet because it's so meat heavy, I can't take you seriously and you are not an expert. The anology of a politician asking for your vote but refusing to talk politics is on point.

@veganfortheanimals6994

5 ай бұрын

👍

My friend’s grandmother just died at 112. She watched “General Hospital” for over 60 years. So maybe the secret of longevity is watching a soap opera on daytime tv😀

@rufisdodd4318

5 ай бұрын

Finally someone with good data!

@TheShumoby

5 ай бұрын

It's Foxo3a

@dikshaedythe6042

4 ай бұрын

Her society was in the tv

@y.g.1313

4 ай бұрын

all super-centenarians are listed publicly, what was her name?

@RichRich1955

4 ай бұрын

I watch TV for a couple hours and that seems like alot but 60 years is unbelievable

Fruits and vegetables cost next to nothing when you compare it to meat and / or fast food.

@GerardL

5 ай бұрын

Depends on the type. I think you're overgeneralizing

@seitanbeatsyourmeat666

5 ай бұрын

@@GerardLsure, if you’re buying one of those specialized square watermelons made in Japan, but the average consumer is just buying fruits and vegetables at Walmart. They’re cheap compared to animal based foods, period

@Spock_Rogers

5 ай бұрын

Healthy foods are definitely cheaper in the long run, when you consider the reduced healthcare costs.

@joecaner

5 ай бұрын

And that price gap has been widening.

@rssiddharth

5 ай бұрын

Or at least it should be, but thanks to the billions of dollars of subsidies that animal agriculture receives, it’s more affordable.

Dr. Greger just endorsed this video as a critique for Attia's book on his facebook. Well done Mr. Chomper!

Dr. Attia is an investor in the deer jerky (company) he eats, so can’t diss red meat. He projects a very self assured manner with a touch of feigned humility. Very convincing.

@kovy689

5 ай бұрын

Bingooo!

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

I am pretty conclusive in the opinion most of his income comes from his clients and the social media aspects of that not his little investment in a jerky company. There is not really a whole lot of profit to be made in beef jerky Laird Hamilton does some food supplements, does that mean his heart is not into human performance...well it is. Most of his time goes into working out and surfing and other things the food business is like forth or something. He also has clients he trains. That is unwarranted.

@helicart

5 ай бұрын

And he says he eat 5-10 sticks a day, which contains double the maximum recommended sodium, which increases hypertension risk over 5x fold. How can Attia be so reckless with his million+ audience?

@ZmogusJaponija

5 ай бұрын

@@helicart this was the last nail into "the coffin" of trusting Attia - when I've heard that he is investor of that company and that he is topping up his protein by snacking those deer jerkies every day...

@annemccarron2281

4 ай бұрын

You last two lines accurately describe a narcissist. Don't know if Atilla is. I don't pay much attention to him, except narcissists do completely negate what orhers say if it doesn't relate to their particular paradigm.

Finally someone debunking Attia. I can’t stand all these eloquent would be experts but in reality they are just influencers, that want to sell something. You are true hero!

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Attia is nothing compared to Atilla the Hun.

@sandiegojoey1

5 ай бұрын

Where is the "debunking"? The book sites multiple sources to support his claims. Debunking would require a person to isolate one or more of those sources on a given topic and show where that research was "debunked" by replication, or by research that yielded a different result and that the science community has deemed as "better" evidence to the contrary. Anything other than that is simply a biased opinion based on nothing.

You discussed running and weight training. When I was a teen, I was a runner, then I stopped running when I got into bodybuilding. Now that I'm older, I wanted to be more athletic so I started running and continued weight training (but stepped away from the bodybuilding bit)...it's the best of both worlds, but the cardio aspect is huge. Combine that with good sleep, WFPB diet, lots of water, and I personally avoid alcohol and that's a great formula for optimizing health, and the science backs it up, not just my opinion

@Jammoud

5 ай бұрын

you’re inspiring 💪💪

@thepimptastic2

5 ай бұрын

Running is a terrible idea outside of necessity. treat cardio like lifting weights. Do sprints with rest in-between.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

There are three considered parts to a long life as long as genetically we may go, community diet and exercise. My guess is you fill the community aspect but do not mention it friends family and such. Great stuff...

@alansnyder8448

5 ай бұрын

I'm 56 and used to be a cross-country runner, then switched to swimming now that I'm in my 50s to keep fit. It is my observation that you see very few 70-year-old runners (because the knees just give out) but you see a lot of fit 70-year-old swimmers which is easier on the joints. I just to an IM style workout instead of strict freestyle swimming to avoid swimmers shoulder.

@johnreynolds7163

4 ай бұрын

@@alansnyder8448 -100%... Ive switched to 80%back vs FREE... and add lots of pre /post stretching to warm up . Do you have a wkly or monthly yardage goal?

This 65 year old needs to brag. Today I went to my doctor for a blood pressure medicine refill. He said I needed my six month blood test to see what else was going on. Compared to the last one in June, 2023, my LDL cholesterol was down from 134 to 102, my kidney function eGFR was up from 52 to 67, and my blood sugar was down from 94 to 90. My weight has gone down by 4.5 lbs. Oh, I forgot to mention: I have gone vegan. You should have seen the look on his face when I told him that.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

👏🎉💪

The first time I heard Peter Attia was an interview several years ago where he was asked how he reconciled pushing a high meat/keto diet with all the research on the importance of grains/beans/fiber for the microbiome and he said he thought the evidence on the importance of the microbiome was really weak and he wasn't convinced. And every interview I've seen since then follows the same pattern - any time anyone brings up something that would challenge his claims, he dismisses it as based on "weak" or "flawed" evidence without actually engaging or refuting it - he just says "I'm not convinced," as if that's all his followers need to know in order to dismiss decades of research by hundreds of scientists.

@nicholas5396

5 ай бұрын

He just interviewed an expert on microbiome. I think when he says he's not convinced means yet. He has changed his views on many things over the years to include caloric restriction, intermittent fasting, and others. When new science or studies come out that meets whatever standard his team has he does seem to incorporate that into his beliefs on a subject. Just my thoughts on what I've observed from him last 5 or 6 years or so

@freeian2

5 ай бұрын

When he’s asked for guests for his show, I’ve mentioned on multiple occasions to invite a felllow surgeon in Garth Davis.

@nicholas5396

5 ай бұрын

@freeian2 I'd personally actually like to see him interview more opposing view point experts.

@freeian2

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@nicholas5396 I don’t think he and Garth would see eye to eye. Heard Peter talk about feeding organ meat to his kids versus Garth supplying crudite.

@nicholas5396

5 ай бұрын

@freeian2 I imagine Attia feeds his children vegetables as well. And even if he didnt, it's good to have vigorous debate. To quote someone smarter than I, "...I've never learned anything from someone who agreed with me".

A Kenyan friend of mine tells me they have a proverb that goes something like this: an older man sees sitting, what a younger man must stand to see. That to say, you bring a lifetime of science and learning and experience to the table that younger commentators lack, and you get automatic extra credibility in my book. Thanks so much for sharing that knowledge with us. And your pleasant demeanor and sense of humor is just icing on the cake.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Thank you, Mark. I was very fortunate to caddy for Jack LaLanne as a young teen, and he instilled a lifelong curiosity in me about this topic. Unfortunately, I have had to watch the food giants erase the knowledge we had in the 70s when we were slender, exercised and ate real food.

@metalmunkey42

5 ай бұрын

The proverb beautifully illustrates the importance of observational data, and why I have little time for anyone (eg Peter A) who dismisses it outright.

Absolute banger. I’ll say it a thousand times - you’ve got one of the only channels where I’m glued to the video from start to finish. Thank you 🙏🏽

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Aren’t bangers unhealthy?

I like how Chris snuck the "It's not Hoarding if it is Books" in the old diet book cover shots.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha! My hoodie said that too but I never had the opportunity to show it.

@Polkadotpup

4 ай бұрын

I just “snuck” 5 books home from our library sale rack. Oops

Great work Chris! Your point on whether people who are overweight need that much protein is well noted. I still think 1.2-1.6g per kg is the best target but if you’re overweight base that on your ideal body weight not your current weight. That way we are considering how much muscle someone has. Glad you brought up the inconsistency with treating epidemiology. I’ve always been skeptical of the way Peter cites the VO2 max studies without mentioning they don’t adjust for diet quality (seems a considerable confounding variable).

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, Simon. When I get a chance to interview you, I want to dive deep on protein because I think you've studied it so very well. I have lots of questions about what happens to people my age who have impaired kidney function but don't know it and are going for high (animal) protein intake (like too many of my friends here in America). Most of them get a report on kidney filtration when they do their labs, but they don't know what to make of it and their physicians are simply telling them they will need dialysis in the future, or maybe now, so don't eat much salt.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers LA trimes.................Most people don’t think of uncooked chicken as a significant source of sodium -- but it can be, not just because most cooks use salt as seasoning. Injecting raw chicken with saltwater solutions during processing is a widespread practice in the poultry industry. " I am sure the beef and other meat industry participants are not engaging in such practices. AS meats are not commonly sold by the pound ,and salt and water combines will add more weight to the product as well as perhaps enhancing taste for those used to salt and lots of it this would simply never occur to them. And of course in unbiased food industry study no salt of any kind would be found. And let us then lump in such protein.sources together, and then call plant sourced equal to animal and the study and any study, showing detriment to long life from protein be all protein not plant protein excluded. As to exclude out animal protein..why people may not eat so much of it. Yes salt cut it out, chicken no problem says the doc.

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

The best old people are pro-teen.

@skippy6462

5 ай бұрын

​@@PlantChomperslooking forward to that interview with your good self and Simon especially since Dr Greger recommends less. It's very confusing. Is it 0.8, 0.9 or 1.2 to 1.6 per kg lean bodyweight. So important because it's almost double. Dr. Greger's favourite dietitian Brenda Davies book on Protein has recommendations from 0.9 for vegans. Higher amounts for over 65's and athletes. Eating high protein but laying in bed ain't it either. Help.

Great video, Chris! I agree with your take on the book, and in the end, I think it all boils down to reading as much as we can, taking the useful/reasonable bits, while staying both open-minded and skeptical. I incorporated some extra exercises into my regimen based off his recommendations but I still think he's wrong when it comes to food and nutrition 🤷🏽‍♂️

@annemccarron2281

4 ай бұрын

Rational post.i agree with you!

@mellkiades

4 ай бұрын

Dr. Greger and Dr. Huberman are more reliable than Dr. Attia. I have doubts about Dr. Ekberg and Dr. Boz, because of their pro keto stance. What is the exact science on this? I find it so confusing and difficult to find.

As elegant a speaker as Peter is, I wrote him off as a longevity expert some years ago. His 'brand' that longevity is most dependent on exercise and (high protein intake) is just bogus in the extreme in my view. Why so? I am an Australian physiotherapist. I continue to spend many hours every month with the geriatric population. Those over 90 yo today were born prior to 1933. Now, these people do not have a history of spending any time in a gym, nor doing calisthenics or long distance running regularly. They are known generationally as frugals, who spent most of their time working for money, or producing their own food. The most common activity I have found among them is dancing. Further, most of them are women, and they definitely did not and do not do the type of exercise promoted by Peter Attia. So the over-representation of non exercising non high protein consuming women among over 90's, is the biggest black hole in Peter's beliefs. Finally, Asians in Australia are over represented among 90+ yo people. They do not do "gym time" nor endurance cardio, nor eat high protein. So which 90+ year old people is Peter basing his longevity evidence on.....or ignoring altogether?

@JakeRichardsong

5 ай бұрын

Your observations seem to overlap with the blue zone centenarians. They don't jog, lift weights or eat a lot of animal protein.

@eugenetswong

5 ай бұрын

Thank you, both of you!

@orion9k

5 ай бұрын

There is already science studies out there on how much protein you need to consume to avoid losing muscle mass once you hit +60 y, so all these anecdotal observations you have way give you some subjective opinions on protein but lets not forget it's not's not science based.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Your Asian comment really resonated with me. Here in the U.S., they outlive caucasians by 6 years. That's why I included one Japanese book (written by a 105-year-old) and a Chinese book (written by a 110-year-old) that I had to read using Google Translate on my phone.

@ALCALIN26

5 ай бұрын

Maybe you need to look how often they eat, how much, what. In the past they walking often, no car etc. His standpoint about cardiovascular, muscular are good points.

Thank you again for this fantastic episode Chris! My favourite episodes of yours are when you deep dive into a popular author/science based influencer type and break down some of the claims they make. I’d love further episodes like this and maybe discussing Andrew huberman and max lugavere type figures. Keep up the good work!

There you go again. Telling people what they don't want to hear. I love your work.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha, thanks! Not a path to popularity. 😁 Good thing I'm just an olde retired guy who doesn't need views.

Great commentary. I realize this may not be the forum; however, all any of these authors ever focus on with regard to longevity are diet and exercise. They are important, to be sure, but, ironically, those are the things that actual centenarians focused on LEAST. They are too busy living life--working, spending time with friends and family, being active participants in their faith communities, reading, gardening, enjoying the sunshine. I would love to see a book focusing on those things.

@mikafoxx2717

5 ай бұрын

Working, walking, labouring daily just to get the essentials done.. yeah, that's exercise. All the healthy older people I know have always been active, biking to places, raising 7 kids without even running water out in a cabin, stuff that takes work constantly, but what it isn't, is constant high stress running or some such. Lots of zone 1-2 and brief higher intensity while doing something difficult

@broddr

24 күн бұрын

You just described the _Blue Zones_ book.

The cost of the Maui venison jerky is $79 per pound. The website selling it claims it is the highest quality protein on the planet. It also claims the deer are 'harvested' meaning killed 'stress-free', as if there is no stress in being killed. Consuming 10 or their venison jerky sticks means consuming more than the RDA for sodium, which doesn't sound healthy. Flying meat products from Maui to various places where customers are is also carbon-intensive.

So happy you created this video. I’ve used much of what Peter advises as a base template for my own health BUT have also had an off-and-on relationship with it because some of what he says just hasn’t added up for me. Your Tale of Two Cities comparison nails what I’ve been feeling right on the head. Another thing I’ve really disliked about content from some of these very respectable doctors is how they throw themselves on these different medications (lipid lowering meds in this case) for the best possible blood markers (David Sinclair did/does this too with Metformin and a Statin as well I believe) while us civilians can only get this stuff with a prescription, which means we need to have something concerning already going on. A video like this really needed to be made so thank you again for taking the time to do so!

Watched some of Attila’s videos and I agree. His exercise advice sounds great, but most else makes me uneasy. Chris and Gil Carvalho remain my most trusted sources on healthy lifestyle. And although I’m not a vegan or even a vegetarian, I like Dr. Greger, and Chris’s recent interview with him made me like him even more.

@DenisMoricMedia

5 ай бұрын

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@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Just curious did the two smiling faces and the homespun wife included in the video walking along the hugs and all that influence your decision on the video? Seems to me it was marketing but could be wrong.

@Nicksonian

5 ай бұрын

@@ronhumphreys3762 I've been watching Chris for several years and I will unequivocally say that he doesn't do marketing. Certainly not for other people.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

@ronhumphreys3762 It's about being human, not marketing. I'm an olde retired guy who does this as a hobby. I have nothing to market.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Sorry to clarify, me familiar with marketing, I think the presentation platform of the Dr greger video was much more favorable by unconscious motivators of favor than the attia video. Hugs the greeting the format were all in the context of freinds. You mentioned like him even more which is why I asked you that. .

When a big muscular man talks about nutrition and exercise I switch off because they are really not talking to me, a 65 year old woman. What do they know about menopause or poverty? I eat veg and run when I can.

Chris - great video! Jack would be proud.

I thank you for these deep dives. The information you provide is invaluable. 🙏❤

I always love your take on nutrition/diet/exercise analyses of all the books you read. Thanks for your work in this field.

Love this as I usually do your videos. So smart and well researched! Thanks 🙏🏻 for all you do!

Thanks Chris. This was a fair and accurate review of Dr. Attia's book. I'm a huge fan of Dr. Attia, but I was uncomfortable with his view on protein and meat too. I appreciate the way you broke everything down, high lighted the good and not so good and backed up your statements with science.

Longevity book written by someone who adamantly dislikes talking about diet...ok....thanks for pointing out the serious shortcomings of his book, Chris !

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Yes diet is but one part of three by consensus in the community considered, community diet and exercise. So really he speaks to the third. Many others speak to number one and two only as well.

@Junker_1

5 ай бұрын

That is because beyond the basics it is a field that is not mature at all. I rather someone acknowledge that instead of citing studies and coming over that they are right.

This is quickly becoming my favorite channel. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos!!

I love your channel so much. I'm always looking forward to your newly published videos.

My mom comes from mexico. I asked her how many times she ate meat back in the old country. She said maybe once a year. I asked the same with chicken. She said only on birthdays. About 5 times a year. Eggs where reserved for her dad. And their diet consisted of beans corn tortillas and what ever was abailable... my uncle, brother of my grandma has been eating the same way for his life until recently, since food is more available... He is currently 94. I am convinced, meat does increase mortality rate. But its soo abundant in America and passed as a every day meal, that coming fron the motherland over here youre overwhelmed with exitement at the though of now I can eat more meat (food that was scared back then). There always has been milk and cheese but I mean the moving minutes you had during that time, all day was just work and work. I think maybe that counteracts the dairy being consumed daily. Take aways. Eat little meat. And move more.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Agree entirely. Meat as a every day all meal thing was never present excepting some native arctic dweller who likely have a ketosis related genetic adaptation. It is simply our anthropological history. We are omnivore because we had to be. It was expensive or in prehistoric times not always available. Activity I think anyone remotely honest knows our activity level is not what it was. Now sure oldersters eat what we eat back then not so much. The church for one had meatless fridays and before that meatless wednesday and I heard before that meatless saturday. And lent the whole 30 days was meatless We have forgot out past

@sebastiandanko3295

5 ай бұрын

well , life expectancy in Mexico is just about 70 years, so your anecdotal evidence is not very usefull

@CesarSandoval024

5 ай бұрын

@@sebastiandanko3295 yeah but are you talking about the city people? Im talkjng straight ranch lifestyle

@sebastiandanko3295

5 ай бұрын

@@CesarSandoval024 well, I do not know such a statistic related to just ranch lifestyle. I would say it is genetic for 90y+ people

@donjuantenor69

5 ай бұрын

The ranch where my father grew up had a similar experience and lived into their 90's. I met a 94 year old man who would do push-ups to demonstrate his health!

Another excellent episode, Chris. I'm going to be reading Attia's book shortly. The anti-epidemiology perspective is extremely puzzling - it's a wonderful branch of science with it's strengths and flaws, just like RCTs has it's strength and flaws (that epidemiology helps fix). P.S. picked up that epidemiology book you recommended. Thanks.

@v.a.n.e.

5 ай бұрын

your elation probably stems from your evident lack of experience, which is a consequence of your youth but which, hopefully, you will gain over time. Peter Attia expressed his disdain in relation to nutritional epidemiology, that is, to a specific segment, but not to the entire epidemiology--on which Chris's strawman is built upon; that's actually a bait for people of your demographic. P.S. I think the above-mentioned book will come in handy, but I'm afraid that it won't teach you to catch such subtle differences.

@tomthecat8172

5 ай бұрын

@@v.a.n.e. Oh the irony! Take a look at who you're replying to before you accuse him of lack of experience 😂

@v.a.n.e.

5 ай бұрын

@@tomthecat8172 If you believe I'm unfamiliar with the individual to whom I am replaying, you're greatly mistaken. I've been a sub of his for quite some time.

@pearljam_1

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@v.a.n.e. It’s quite possible to point out this distinction without being a complete arrogant prick about it. Although I’m sure you hear that a lot in your lonely life.

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

A lot of epidemiology books are going around.

Been waiting for a new vid! Thanks for all the work, energy and love you put into making these insightful videos. Happy holidays! 🎉

Another masterful review! Thank you so much for all the intense study you do and you brilliant style of presentation. "I can see so far because I stand on the shoulders of Giants"

31:54 I can't believe he said this. As if he was saying there's no harm, and giving the green light to all of the 'proteinaholics." As I'm not qualified to speak on this, I asked ChatGPT, and he said: "Consuming more protein than your body needs can lead to several outcomes, and the effects can vary depending on the individual's overall health, activity level, and other factors. Here are some potential consequences of consuming excess protein: Weight Gain: If the extra protein intake contributes to a caloric surplus (more calories consumed than burned), it can lead to weight gain. Proteins, like other macronutrients, contain calories, and excess calories are stored as fat. Digestive Issues: Consuming too much protein may cause digestive issues such as bloating, gas, and constipation. This is especially true if the protein intake is significantly higher than what the body can efficiently digest and absorb. Kidney Strain: There is a common misconception that high protein intake can cause kidney damage. While this is generally not a concern for healthy individuals, people with pre-existing kidney conditions should be cautious about consuming excessive protein, as the kidneys may have difficulty processing the byproducts of protein metabolism. Dehydration: The body requires water to metabolize and eliminate waste products from protein breakdown. A high protein intake without sufficient water can potentially lead to dehydration. Nutrient Imbalance: Relying heavily on protein sources may lead to an imbalance in other essential nutrients. A well-rounded diet that includes a balance of carbohydrates, fats, vitamins, and minerals is crucial for overall health. Nutrient Storage: Excess protein is not stored in the body for later use as is the case with carbohydrates and fats. Instead, the body may convert excess protein into energy or store it as fat." And Bard added: "Bone loss: High protein diets, especially from animal sources, have been linked to increased calcium excretion, potentially contributing to bone loss. Elevated risk of certain diseases: High protein diets, particularly those loaded with saturated fat and processed meats, might increase the risk of heart disease, some cancers, and chronic inflammation."

I'm delighted to see some information coming from a nephrologist at last! Those of us wishing to stay off dialysis or have other kidney issues have been advised against eating animal protein for a while now. There's a growing body of renal dietitians and kidney doctors who advocate for a plant-based diet to help us patients avoid dialysis for as long as possible.

@VeiledFlameAlchemist

5 ай бұрын

Not true. Protein has been shown many times in studies to not be a problem for people's Kidneys AT ALL. Unless there already exists a problem in the Kidneys, that's when you need to limit protein. Otherwise, it's a non-issue.

@eugenetswong

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this info!

@robertusga

5 ай бұрын

Uhhhhh did you watch a different video or nephrologist? The guy talked 100% about salt, not animals.

@thepimptastic2

5 ай бұрын

These doctors literally killed you... Im sorry

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Your observation remains true regardless of some comments which are also true. I would add the thing is animal protein not plant. I find no negative issue with plant protein in this context by study. If it exists please advise me as I find none.

Good one, Chris!!! Again, you show the man behind the curtain. Amazing what seemingly very intelligent folks will ignore to placate their personal hunger for acceptance and popularity. Nice to see that beautiful fur baby again.

I unsubscribed from Peter after 4 months of steep physical decline. In response to Peter's protein admonitions, last spring I doubled my intake. This rise in protein intake drove my body's inflammation through the roof. My decline was alarming. At age 63, it took me several months for me to recover from Peter's advice. I find him dangerous.

@alan2102X

5 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that. Was it animal protein? That would be high-methionine (acid ash) protein, which often also has a lot of pro-inflammatory palmitic acid (fatty acid). Higher veg protein would be unlikely to have that effect.

@KTPurdy

5 ай бұрын

@@alan2102X it was actually all plant protein. I was stacking tofu, chickpeas, with quinoa several days a week. I was also supplementing with pea protein powder. I understand the pitfalls of meat based protein, but it's possible to overload even if you're vegan. Today, I eat a healthy mix of protein, greens, and fats, all whole food plant based. I do resistance training and I'm getting far better results because my muscles are not inflamed.

@ausmiku

5 ай бұрын

Protein without a mediator such as exercise is useless.

@stevep7791

5 ай бұрын

I wonder if some, or possibly most of your inflammation, may have been due to heavy metal contamination that's often reported to be found in pea protein powders!! @@KTPurdy

@alansnyder8448

5 ай бұрын

@@KTPurdy Based on your experience what do you think about putting protein powder in the water bottle you take to workout?

What an amazing video. You clarified so many of the confusions I had (Greger recommends this; Attia, the opposite; who should I trust?). Really, many thanks.

Thank you for doing this. It was the best of books. It was the worst of books. You helped me to understand what in the heck he was saying because he seems so reasonable and unreasonable at the same time.

Peter Attia's sells a program he calls "Early". It goes for $2500. So many of these doctors are now cashing in on their celebrity status. Give me Dr. Greger any day.

Excellent episode Mr. Chomper. The vo2 max stuff is puzzling to me. Greger cites the chess players study in his book where chess champions live longer than the regular population therefore it's likely socio-economic status rather than performance. The other vo2 max points can simply be distilled to BMI. His points on running also don't make sense. In doing squats you put increadible stress on your joints. But joints aren't inert mechanical machines. They respond to stresses. As long as you keep the stress below it's ability to adapt, you're fine. 10% increased in mileage every 2 weeks is what the literature suggests. Attia seems to be an exercise addict and post facto finds conclusions to justify his addiction

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Anecdote alert: I have always wondered why running, skiing, biking and the trampoline have never bothered my knees but if I overdo the deep squats with weight, my knees can develop concerning pain.

@dj.h7424

5 ай бұрын

@@PlantChompersI’d love to see a ‘benefits of trampolining’ video…!😅 maybe a collab with Michelle?!!

@DerekBarney

5 ай бұрын

@@PlantChompersas someone who is new to running, less than 6 years I ask a similar question of people when they say they can’t run it hurts their knees and joints. Then i ask, do do squats? Yes a lot of them, is usually the response.

@RXP91

5 ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Real sports and store and release, although cycling less so. Cause you've been doing that most of your life, your collagen has stayed adapted. With squats you could have simply progressed too fast or your biomechanics might be off. If you're interested I can link you to a couple of physical therapists that have exercises on KZread that stopped me being in chronic pain for 20 years. I never thought I'd run in my life but I fixed my biomechanics & it's amazing what I can do now. But if it doesn't impact your daily life and activities it's probably not worth looking into honestly 🙂

@fluffyscruffy

5 ай бұрын

@Plant Chompers. Because those activities listed do not put your knees through a full range of motion, especially the lenghtened portion (deep knee bend)? If squats hurt your knee, a technique/stance change may be worth considering. Do you squat "inside" or "on top"of your legs? If you answer the latter, the technique is likely not suited for the hip socket-ankle mobility combo.

I am a simple man. I see a plant chompers video i press like.

Apart from the "I don't like talking about nutrition, but ssssh! Eat meat", my other criticism is how hard it is to extract actionable advice from Peter Attia's book! Seriously, try going through it line by line and highlighting actionable takeaways. I tried and ended up with very few highlighted parts!

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Do you mean actionable in the sense of people could sue him?

@universemaster

5 ай бұрын

@@graysonric I meant "actionable" as in "information I can use in my life". However, he does avoid saying anything definite (or real) at all, which I guess in some cases is due to the threat of being sued in America's legitious environment. But mostly, I think it's because he is much better as an ASMR performer or stage performer than he is as a scientist. It's OK not to know things, and we all go through growth, and we all start clueless, but I don't think it's right to waste 17 hours of someone else's life (the length of the book) if you don't yet have anything of any substance to say! He is sucking the oxygen away from people who do know things and have actionable advice.

@ZmogusJaponija

5 ай бұрын

I've gone through half of it and then lost motyvation. But I used to be his follower for some time and actually liked him somewhat because he promoted fasting for longevity and health. But recently he is anti-fasting and obsessed with muscle mass/maximising protein and strenght training. I got only one take away from half a book - "do ApoB test". Ah, also he is obsessed with Vo2 max.

I’m so glad I found your channel! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience. It helps me think better about all of this stuff.

The first time I heard Attia speak was the last time I listened to him.

@wfpbwfpb

5 ай бұрын

Me too!💚

@dj.h7424

5 ай бұрын

@@wfpbwfpbSame!

I had a huge red flag in Attia when he said regenerative animal ag was legit.

I think the grip strength association is because one needs to be able to grab onto things in an effort to not fall. Now that I'm a senior, I really see the value in this.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Grip strength is a proxy in study for overall strength. Trainers work on balance and muscle leg strength to prevent falls not grip. Balance can be trained but it involves strength as well.

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Getting the grippe makes people weak because they need to stay in bed.

Great video, Chris! Conscientious as always. Loved the ending, it cracked me up!

Fantastic Video Chris. I love your no frills, nuts and bolts channel. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺

You showed a book a couple of times where it talks about how to induce disease in lab animals with a high fat diet and how that inspired ornish to do his study. I would actually love a deep dive into that. Most ppl are quick to blame "carbs" but if they knew they used high fat junk food diets to induce disease like diabetes and heart disease in animals maybe it will sink in a lot more for ppl. When I 1st heard that years ago that was a lighbulb moment for me. But no one knows about that. I will bring it up in discussions about nutrition and ppl look at me like I'm nuts. I want to know more about how they induce disease in animals and how feeding animals their natural diet will reverse the disease.

@shiftgood

5 ай бұрын

There are many forms of fats.. We know that trans fats and Linoleic acids (an O6) damage the LDL particles... While other fats, like saturated fats, do not... I mean, if they did you'd be dead instantly as your entire brain, nervous system and cell membranes are made out of it...

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Good idea for an episode.

Another great video! Loved the clips of "elderly" people putting everyone else to shame... Makes me glad I started running again last year. And your new rescue is adorable!!

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Lydia! Layla is an amazing dog but has a major case of separation anxiety; she is never more than 2 feet from me and often (like at night) pressed tightly against me.

@lydiajahl5856

5 ай бұрын

Awwww. That is endearing, even if it makes things difficult sometimes for you!

In Cyprus the grandparents diet back in the day was meat on special occasions like 3 times a year. They still have an abundance of fruits, vegetables, salads, herbs, spices, whole grains beans and lentils sold in the supermarkets, unfortunately in recent times they have increased their meat intake, fast food restaurants and medications. Plus younger people are drinking more alcohol and smoking.

Grip strength is correlated with reduced risk of mortality because after a certain age, falling is one of the greatest risk factors. Almost all of these happen in the eccentric motion of going down stairs, therefore those with greater grip strength can arrest their falls. Therefore, you should train leg strength, balance and of course grip, but leg strength should be your primary defense.

I watch several of these major podcasts/sites and, I must say, I'm surprisingly impressed more by this site than most of the others. I now see P A with new eyes. Very insightful.

Excellent video, thank you! I listened to Peter talk a couple times and I had to decide it wasn't worth my time to keep him on my "subscribed" list. That's not meant to be any kind of hefty insult, there's just a lot of information, limited time, and many, many voices that consistently prove worth my time, like yours.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

I defend him here from biased attacks not based on the real. But I would not ever consider subscribing to the guy, I mean 8 eggs a morning? Just does not make sense. And I run through bunches of them probably a hundred or more over the years.His science most seems real some often not relevant to the points he claims.

Your videos are a firehose of information and thought. I need to slowly re-watch each video and take notes. Wow!

Excellent video. Was wondering if I was confused about P Attia on nutrition - relieved I wasn't. Thanks Chris ❤

Thanks again for all your hard work on our behalf. Diet...Isn't it already known that those who follow a whole plant food way of eating have less cancer, diabetes, strokes, and heart disease than other diets? Why is this not the obvious go to for diet discussions? I've been frustrated by Peter Attia changing his mind about diet, then running from the subject completely.

Your videos are always packed full of so much information, details, and references....outstanding !

As a professor at a medical school, I certainly appreciate the scientific robustness of this channel. You've inspired this old biochemist to relook at nutrition topics in our curriculum. If you ever run into people who are interested in helping design curriculum at that level, please send them my way!

I watch a lot of your videos because of the many interesting perspectives and the pleasant atmosphere. This one was especially good in my view. I also read Peter his book and I find this review to be very insightful and balanced! Thank you

This obviously doesn't add to the science, but I will say that we laugh and enjoy life at every opportunity, but we're also drowning in unavoidable stress because of my husband's sporadic heart condition. I can feel that the stress and worry about my husband affects my own health and on the days we're able to stay positive I feel better. Even if it's psychological and doesn't extend my life, it's worth it to make an effort to look at the bright side of life at every opportunity! Thank you for always sharing these great videos, I really enjoy your channel!

@Yowzoe

5 ай бұрын

if you can fit one more thing into your life, consider (if you haven't already) meditation :-) Best of luck.

@DiggingForHealth

5 ай бұрын

@Yowzoe Thank you for taking the time to suggest that! My husband meditates every day and it most certainly helps him! He also uses a grounding pad any time he sleeps or sits at the couch. We're definitely making a huge effort to reduce the stress in any way we can. 🥰

As always, excellent work Chris. I read and enjoyed Peter Attia's book but his perspectives on diet made me question the validity of the data he was presenting on exercise.

Thanks for this. Provides guidance in using Attia’s book. Thanks for steering me to Greger’s book.

Even though my health is pretty bad. I always feel a spark of hope when I watch your videos.

I also appreciate the mention for Miche's channel, which is pretty brilliant.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, she's really good, no?!

I sought this video out on your page last week (but since it hadnt been made yet lol) I picked up outlive at my local library. My friend and fellow nutrition and exercise physiology student loved Peter's book and his protein recommendations, which had me conflicted having read Dr. Gregers body of works. Especially having just finished How Not to Age. How could these two professionals come to such wildly different recommendations? I skimmed outlive, found the section on protein, okay "the evidence shows 2.2 g/kg" now lets find the citation. But there was none. Well, I thought, maybe the citations at the end are organized by chapter and I can read through and find it. The citations were alphabetized. At that point I became frustrated. Maybe I've been spoiled by Gregers citation method which makes it easy to find the siurce behind every claim. Skimming the rest of the book, I had the same thought about the exercise section. How can he hate epidemiology practices in nutrition but cite epidemiological studies for exercise?? Anyways, thank you for the video and your work

@PatrickPoplawska

5 ай бұрын

I have yet to read Peter's book, but its on my agenda. The 2.2g/kg protein intake metric is considered a gold standard in the bodybuilding and weightlifting communities as the marker for maximizing muscle-protein synthesis. I believe several studies have reached the same approximate range, but here is one by Schoenfeld and Aragon pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29497353/. As someone has a serious interest in being strong and big, I'm interested in the side-effects of high protein intake (specifically in a diet that is still rich in fiber, low in saturated fat, and within a healthy caloric range). Time to do some more digging!

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

If you are really interested in the substantial body of evidence of the current kind supporting his protein thesis, expressed by him and others, my recommendations are simon hill and a recent series of interviews and debates which have been his charge on his channel of recent advent.

@Miyazakifan100

5 ай бұрын

@ronhumphreys3762 I actually listened to that podcast series as well! Love Simon Hill. My big takeaway was if I wanted to maximize muscle gains, about 1.6 g/kg would peak benefits unless it was wholely plant protein so maybe 1.7 or 1.8 to get methionine and leucine up? Would you concur?

You look amazing for 70! I love your work, collating all these studies. Its fascinatingly empowering.

Wow, what a phenomenal review! You have completely changed my views on Dr Attia's perspectives on nutrition and emphasis on exercise/resistance training.

Brilliant video - thank you - keep it up! 😊

Chris, you nailed it again. I’m a pharmacist who likes evidence based medicine. Evidence trumps popularity, personality and charisma. Evidence says: plant based diet with 0.8 g of protein/ kg/ day. (A bit more over 65 yrs of age) Exercise: yes (both strength and cardio). To me Dr Lungo, dr Greger, Dr Barnard and the likes of them provide clear guidance. Their recommendations align with the guidelines from the American Society of Lifestyle Medicine. I do appreciate your dissection of this book. Mainly because it perfectly matches my personal opinion…. Hahaa. Thank you so much for your work.

Awesome video! You are the best. Love this channel.

Great video Baldy! I’ve watched a few videos on Peter and listened to the first chapter of his book on Spotify. I’ll skip the diet chapters and just listen to the exercise ones! Thanks for the great content! I haven’t watched in a bit but you’ve improved a lot! 🙏💪

As a fan of Peter Attia I must say............ Good job !! Over the past years I've listened to some of his interviews and podcasts. I don't agree with everything in this book but I like his thought process and appreciate his honesty. I get the feeling that this book is somewhat of a diary of how he thinks today and will continue to evolve has the years pass by.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

People really do not appreciate the evolutionary aspect of attia. He is always a subject of that and his fans they know that, He changes, and his things found are not absolutes.

I did NOT know he took 2 cholesterol lowering drugs, that’s pretty telling. Dang.

@PatrickPoplawska

5 ай бұрын

Peter doesn't hide this information. Paraphrasing his thoughts... he views the side effect profile relative to the risk of even slightly raised apoB and blood pressure to be skewed so significantly that he thinks pharmacological intervention is the correct decision.

@johnsmith-eq1zc

5 ай бұрын

@@PatrickPoplawska If he changed his diet, he wouldn't need the two statins. But then he may not look as buff in his t shirts. A matter of priorities and what is important to him I guess.

Not the point but around 8:00 Peter says “while walking your knees experience approx. 3 times your body weight in terms of force… so losing weight has a very nonlinear effect on your joints.” But multiplication by a constant is (essentially) the definition of a linear map. So “times 3” is linear, as is “times 8” for running. Anyway, haven’t finished watching but words have meaning and mathematical terms are very precise.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

I noticed that too…

I absolutely love and trust your reviews…. I have listened to Peter Attia, and questioned some of what he says/does. Even before your review, I was committed to sticking to my plant exclusive (whole as possible). Your reviews always help to keep me going in this direction. Thank you.

Peter Attia works for industry. This is why he doesn't go into nutrition.

Chris, can you do a video on the carbon footprint (showing us how to calculate it, the source of the formula, the range of estimates etc) of different diets-- carnivore (how much meat?), ovolacto, pescatarian, vegan diet? And how much one person's dietary pattern can affect climate change when scaled up? What is the carbon footprint of beef, pork, chicken, fish, plants? Is CO2 or methane the bigger issue? Don't they both occur when eating animal protein? Why do people talk of one and not the other? Your earth science knowledge will be educational even to college professors! Thank you.

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

I'll be interviewing Paul Behrens in January about a lot of these questions. He's a very respected earth scientists and author of a great (but academic) book about sustainability. In the meantime, I did do an episode about beef: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6SjzsOxmsveeto.html

Thanks for making this video! I have followed a whole food, plant-based diet for over a year and my bloodwork is great. Recently, listening to Dr. Attia and Dr. Gabrielle Lyons (author of Forever Strong) I started to feel a little confused about not eating meat.

Great video. Ive loved Peter’s exercise information but have always felt weird about his nutrition information. I appreciate your breakdown.

This is by far the best review of Peter's book so far. Well done!

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Is it well done or medium rare?

Brilliant, thanks Chris.

This is just brilliant. I have read Peter book and I like it but I was cautious enough to contrast what he said with many other sources but, hey, your work in that regard is just unparalleled. Thank you for another amazing review and video, and thank you for spreading good, polite and profesional information, this is much needed right now. Hugs and blessings from Argentina to you and your loved ones ❤

@PlantChompers

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Argentina!!! I so want to visit. 😁

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

You should visit the pompous there.

THANK YOU, Chris. Very thoughtful. Attention to details While not losing the first principles. Very helpful. 🙏

Peter Attia draws such ridiculous conclusions from misunderstood evidence so often that it's amazing that anyone pays attention to him

@nicholas5396

5 ай бұрын

Says a person commenting on KZread 😂

@metalmunkey42

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I stopped taking much notice of what he said some time ago, and I put his friend Rhona Patrick in the same category of overrated, but supremely confident 'experts'.

@Joseph1NJ

5 ай бұрын

@@metalmunkey42 Well said. I'm somewhat critical of her as well. She seems to have a strong overreaction latest study bias. You'd think that was a good thing, but in her case it seems to be lacking in critical thought. How can someone be a researcher and not be critical? A chemistry professor once told me a long time ago one of the first rules of science is you have to be humble, and then be dubious of anyone who isn't. What he was saying is that just because a study or even ten say its so, doesn't mean it is, and just because science can't prove it to be so, doesn't mean it isn't. The later applies very well to our FDA with regard to food, chemical additives, and pesticide safety. Just because science has yet to prove it's harmful, doesn't mean it isn't. Case in point, the way FDA qualifies the use of the label GRAS, generally regarded as safe. I think, and honestly what do I know, whenever you the term GRAS, be a little dubious. It should taken as lacking in better data, or this is what we know for now.

@graysonric

5 ай бұрын

Donald Trump is popular and he eats whatever he wants.

@ivanak7149

5 ай бұрын

I didn't even know who he was before I watched this video. Doesn't sound like he's got much credibility tbh

And I'm really glad you mentioned Miche PHD. Her videos are really good. She would probably make a good person to interview for the channel.

Your videos inspired me to start walking everyday no matter what. I just completed 500 miles 1 million steps since June last year. I'm steadily increasing my goal as I accomplish each one. I be 70 in April have never felt better. Thank for all your good work.

@daspradeep

3 ай бұрын

just walk? how much? which video?

Great unbiased and balanced video. I have just bought this book to read so this video is timely (for me at least). I value your opinion and will read this book and see if I agree with you.😁

Thank you! As always: learn - unlearn - relearn!

One thing that most seems to not think about for the blue zones, is that they in addition to great food choices also live in a "perfect" climate. A climate that offers good sun exposure for natural stable D-vitamin levels (UVB, overall health) and relaxation (UVA, calming and better sleep), good blood flow (Warm, comfortable temperature), and fresh local vegetables year around. So, here, Peter has a point in the clip you used. I think we sometimes give a bit too much credit to what we eat when it is, as pointed out in the end, a combination of things such as food and exercise. I agree with your conclusion overall.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

Agree but we must add community as well. All seem to venerate oldsters as sources of knowledge and having worth hence..

Thank you! One thing I didn’t hear mentioned was that it seems only people with an unlimited budget can do the activities he talks about. I’m glad to hear life is not that complicated.

@ronhumphreys3762

5 ай бұрын

That is the problem. The thinking is no exercise is necessary is simply not possible in our no activity american world at present. We by activity studied perform at activity 30 minutes less each day at it compared to earlier times. Which means for many of us being at or close to bed rest. Chris exercises does calisthenics that sort of thing. Do we need more than that and some aerobics which can be walking for those older probably not. But we need to do something taking out the trash is not enough.

I was tempted to buy the book after seeing many of his You Tube appearances. He speaks convincingly and its hard not to be swept along his line of argument. Then, I came across a variety of materials on his stance on nutrition and it seemed jarring. "How can he talk so sensibly on exercise and then go completely off the rails on nutrition", I wondered. So it's really reassuring to find an authoritative source confirm my impressions. Once again, thanks are due to you Chris for your detailed hard work.

So, if you do a lot of grip exercises, you will reduce your risk of dying? You know, cuz it correlates. :-) :-)

@JakeRichardsong

5 ай бұрын

Yep...you can eat all the cheeseburgers you want as long as you have strong hands.

This seems like it was a fair and incisive assessment of Attia's book. I'm sure his accolytes will be enraged, LOL. I have always said that you can judge a doctor by the voids in their education. It doesn't matter how generally learned they are if your health problems interesect with these voids. This dictum applies also to social media health gurus, whether clinicians or no: Attia's hypotheses about diet, and things related to diet, feature voids in his education that make him seem less credible, although he's a genuinely intelligent person. Thanks for posting, and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family!

I'm not a fan of any interviews where other people are interview Attia. For basically all reasons you spoke of. Which is why I don't watch them. But I do enjoy when he brings experts on his channel and interviews them. He's good at conversing , and interviews a diverse group of experts.

Excellent most thorough work as usual, top shelf production on top of it, Love love love what you're doing man always! You hit on a few things that I've been thinking about a lot lately like the VO2 max. Bryan Johnson talks about that a lot. Also the bit about strength versus mass reminding me of a conversation I had with a national champion powerlifter vegan, Bradie Crandall. I really need to start exercising man! I wish I had friends like you I could hike with... I hate North Carolina so much!!!