My favorite part of this is that if you had two chambers with a way between them you could turn it back and forth and have the same moving water to run through a generator without all the extra bits

I like it, especially since the air in the top container and the water passing to the third container are cooler than the fluids in the rest of the system. If your auto heater core was in-line between the top and third cylinders, your bellows A/C system would have active cooling, and Heron's fountain could make up the rest of the heat pump system. If a small amount of bellows air is sometimes diverted to move a little water from the bottom container to the top of the middle one, you wouldn't need to flip the system or have a fourth container.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

now then - that is clever thinking mate - I really like that - clever combination of two seemingly disparate things into one new device - thank you for inspiring me

Random sounding board thoughts. What if mounting it to a bracket on a wheel and use a mesh tubing to put something floating diagonally inside the cylinders. With water eventually pushing the floats to the other side could it spin itself over to restart itself.. make a brake block so that it only can turn 180° and maybe a spring to assist pushing back once the weights/water re align¿ could even put generators on both ends feeding into the wheel and still draw power.

Hi! Did you eventually build the generator with the big black buckets?

Very Nice , love it !!!

I will look at this again later Robert, reason being I thought of Abbott and Costello`s “Who’s on First?” just bought a big smile on my face and I could not concentrate :) no fault of yours of course. :) Btw I love your video`s and I will look forward to more, you are a KZread national treasure in my eyes. You have given me and I am sure a lot of other watchers inspiration to learn and experiment and your approach is spot on..Kudos Robert.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

awesome to hear mate because to be honest that is my main point

Hi, thank you for this. The question is how do you connect this to electricity. You talked about adding a device inside one of the containers.

Nailed it. Not perpetually, you're adding the energy, however I wonder; (obviously not breaking the 2nd , but get max efficiency), affect of putting on wheel or gyro

Love this! Don't know how to but I'm going to try and turn this into a sort of water fountain for the fish. Our solar powered pump just doesn't get enough power from the UK weather but I wonder whether the occasional solar together with this battery and maybe some dependable rainfall could be used to keep that pump going for much longer. Feel free to steal this idea and show me how to do it! :)

I know something else that is perpetual and uses water......the sea. Now all that is needed is a HUGE version of this thing that has a diameter such that when it rotates during hightide, it is push towards the land and ends up 180 degrees rotated, thus causing it to start doing its thing, and then run long enough until low tide, at which time it rolls back when empty to the low-tide mark and does the same . Really fascinating stuff, or as you would say : "That is awesome". Thanks again.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

very nice mate - I agree there lol

Would it be possible to install something like a bell siphon to make it perpetual or is there any other way to make it perpetual

mounted on pariswheel legs at the perfect center point at empty slightly offset ofc.. , once full enough it should rotate over.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate

Quick question... what about a 6 chamber dual cross section fountain system? Where the fountain overflow of one fountain fills the middle chamber of the second fountain to supply the head pressure of that fountain and vice versa.

@DSRRingMaster

3 жыл бұрын

Scratch that I just realized its the bottom chamber that creates the pressure for the fountain sorry

This presentation is only one that tells the whole truth. Appreciative. Of course I speak in the name of A Higher Power (A "discreet" Higher Power, the "don't be stupid" movement, and all the moments of the 2000 Chang-in- Thinking. Again, The presentation is complete. Tally ho!

Great idea 💡 👍🏾

How about mounting inside of a wheel that rotates as the water fills and changes the direction instead of having to flip it manually?

I had an idea a long while ago that uses a wind turbine to push a fluid around a circular wheel to utilize gravity to create pressure gradients like the Minto wheel concept that's been suggested! This pressure is then converted into energy! I suppose the evaporation engine could also be used in conjunction with this using solar heat collection!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

Cool idea! - you should try and build it mate

Perpetual means non-stop - not having to flip it. Surely to create a "perpetual" fountain all you need is the total weight of water in the fountain pipe above the level of water in the bottom cylinder being less than the weight of the water in the top cylinder trying to get into the bottom container. So long as the that continues to be the case it in effect functions as if it is a siphon - so long as the weight and volume of the water in the top cylinder continues to exceed the volume and weight of the water in the fountain pipe in the bottom cylinder. No need to turn the cylinders over, and only 2 containers needed. Gravity does all the work - so long as the bottom cylinder and the pipes are air tight.

Hi Robert,do you think it could move a pistern up and down.?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

it already is mate - you can think of the water - or the air - as the piston being moved - now if we link that to an external link we might have a heat engine

Would this work with Gallium or another type of liquid metal? (Using nothing but plastic or acrylic tubes, and once gallium is in liquid form)

@numbersix1908

3 жыл бұрын

There is no reason why not.. maybe someone could do the calculations about pressure/density. Actually you could make a fountain with Gallium and oil instead of air.

very cool, ive always liked the work of heron of alexandria, making an aelipile that is true to original construction. perhaps excluding materials as bronze is a little inaccessible in modern times.

perhaps a counter weighted pivot mechanism could serve to flip the system back and forth?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

could be

Hey Rob. Very nice Job! It reminds me of an hourglass ... Do you think your generator can also work with sand?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate - I honestly don't know - but when asked a question I don't know it always inspires me to find out - so that's what I am going to do - cheers mate

What type of glue are you using for under water sealing? Every glue I have tried works poorly or leaks after some time including 5 minute epoxy, super glue, plastic glue and polyurethane. Did not try pvc glue or candle wax.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

don't forget I also add the tape - but on this one those jars are acrylic so I used an acrylic glue

Have you tried this with schauberger pipes? That have a spiral inside of them? Would that make any difference ? What if the shape of the pipe itself is not vertical but spiraled as well?

Interesting. Perhaps one could take advantage of shaping the water containers, and/or use a sort of buoyancy apparatus (like a bobber)/a weight lifting or shifting construct, which could then induce an asymmetrical condition to cause it to rotate past equalibrium and turn over on its own to begin the process again. When the water rises, it raises the floater, rotates a weight, turns it over, and starts over on the other fill? Or?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

interesting

@nevyngould1744

3 жыл бұрын

If you have an impeller and generator each end feeding a battery bank, then use a level sensor to divert some power to a small motor to flip it.

@nikolaj192

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it could be done with a floater somehow, I looked into this thinking of building and actually fountain. But it seems like it's going to be to hard to reset in practical use but it sure would be nice for ambient noice in the garden 👍

That was a classic Rob ! I thought you were going into a Tommy Cooper spoon, jar - jar, spoon routine :-)

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - very very funny mate - awesome lol

Very cool!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate

Hi How about ideas for extending the infinity aspect? What about putting a mid height pivot point, have the water passing through the system generating electricity to feed capacitors, upon fountain stopping, switch to flip the system over?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know mate - worth a try though - this was four plastic jars and a little time - you could do it with 4 soda bottles - fancy giving it a go?

@Baigle1

3 жыл бұрын

The water flows down, meaning the bottom will always be heavier when the stored energy has been expended. It takes energy to lift the heavy lower part of the device up above the rest if you use that motor pivot idea. If you move the pivot closer to the heavy bottom every time you flip it, then you still need to move it up to allow the top section to swing clear of the supporting structure. The best you are likely to get is a cool robotics toy! Now if you want to mess around with 'brand new' possibly wacky physics, then niobium, and extremely dense metal superconductors at high voltage and low temperature (with radiation shielding) are your best bet. You might be able to finally tell us if they deflect gravitons or do something weird with inertia like all the pseudo-science papers seem to claim! The boundaries of scientific progress rely on doers with a nack for experimentation! P.S. It may help to anneal the metals to get a single crystal, versus maybe cooling thin sheets with liquid nitrogen to get amorphous metallic crystal structures, or somewhere in between (using tempering or normal cooling). Even though the metal is not at its superconducting temperature (where electrons flow all the way through), there can be pockets of superconductivity that spawn and grab onto the famous cooper pairs, possibly giving strange effects. Some papers even claim that spinning these metals rapidly at cold temperatures can have strange effects on the measured mass of objects above or below them, or the measure of composite electrons that form cooper pairs (Called the Tate Anomaly). I know it sounds strange, but I am upset at the scientific community (and remain skeptical) for choosing not to publish the paper on the reversal of aging using 3 of the 4 Tamanaka factors (OSK with a programmable on-off switch). If that is considered too much information by popular vote of the controlling class, then other topics can, too.

Ahhhhhh, I've just ages wondering if it was possible to set this up like a wheel/clock so the nozzel in Jar 1 (1 o'clock position) sent the fountain of water into the Jar at 12, and the Jar at 12 would empty into the Jar at 5 (via a stationary valve in the center using the rotation of the wheel to redirect the path) would mean you could keep all the water on the one side of the wheel and create momentum. I was trying to work out if it could be done efficently enough that a small energy imput could give a big torque output (Falkirk Wheel style of thing), I started to find my brain squeezing out of my ears when thinking about how to get the water transfer efficient enough that the wheel rotation would continue. The flow rate would need to match the wheel speed (to fast and the water just ends up on both sides, too slow and it all just rotates to the bottom), and then the losses on each fountain cycle would just lead to all the water at the bottom (I figure most of the losses would be the water left in the tube when the fountain stops emptying back down into the bottom jar) this is where the energy input would be needed to keep it going. Damit Robert, it is 4am and you made me try(and fail) to use my brain when all I was after was a bit of light hearted YT before bed :D :D Well done that man!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

it might be worth looking at Minto wheels mate

@KnotRight4Ever

Жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering how large can you make a 4 tier heron's fountain? If you go too big will the water's weight be too great for the air pressure? If you could go large enough to move enough water to spin a small turbine next to each fountain and the 2 middle containers were obtuse L shaped (probably around 135°) aiming in opposite directions, when the top middle was half empty it would be one sided heavy and if your generating a good amount of energy from the turbines you can use only a little bit of electricity to spin the 4 tiers by a motor hopefully using a lot less energy than your creating. I guess if you stuck the whole project in thin oil you'd need even less power to a motor to spin the 4 tiers. Using a compressed gas would move the water faster air and keep the generators cooler too. Since it would be a closed system the motor to spin could just be timed to be most efficient.

I was just wondering if you could make a few (say 6) of these 4 cylinder varieties in a jig where each set of cylinders are offset, so that you will always have at least one filling up and causing the entire jig rotate, almost like a very large cam shaft of Heron's Fountain's. (I would make one myself, but i have my own expensive experiment to build)

@colleenforrest7936

3 жыл бұрын

You'd have to redesign things so that the upwards side of the wheel was transferring water from a position farther from the hub to a position closer to the hub and reverse that on the downward side of the wheel: move water from a position closer to the hub to a position farther from the hub

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I have my own stuff too mate - but nice comment and hopefully it will inspire someone to try

Fun stuff!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate

Im well aware perpetual motion is an imposibliity, but now I want to see one big enough to put a ram pump in to see if that could make the fountain run longer

I wonder how this would behave if there was a mix of oil and colored water (half and half). It might make an interesting hour glass?

Thank you Sir :)

Can you make one that continues to run without flipping it over?

@Barskor1

3 жыл бұрын

No

Attach a strap around the CENTRE with a horizontal bar fixed to it . Attach the horizontal bar to a fixed upright post and you should be able to move the fountain with one finger

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

nice

if this was suspended slight of centre and pivoted in centre and the height of the water in top container triggers a release when at lowest point the whole thing would rotate due to weight distribution to its opposite restart position and so on...

Hi everybody Does anybody have a link to the channel referenced by Robert Murray Smith? I tried to find a KZread channel for proper technician EE but I may have not heard him properly. He mentioned proper technician EE had a video on a build. If anybody has a link to that build can you please post it here. Thanks for your help.

This reminds me of the two duck toy that had a liquid filled bottom and the ducks would go on N on dipping their beaks in a saucer of water, Rob Sir love and warm regards from India, I seriously wish this would have been the scenerio with the batteries, we need 4 terminals +ve and -ve two in either side and it seriously would be marvellous if we could just flip it and get it recharged, Wow lovely thing this is the Heron's fountain. Originated in 1st century a lovely hydraulic machine by the mathematician physicist Of Alexandria known as Heron, till best of my knowledge he was the 1st one to propose a steam engine!!🌹💐🌹💐🌹💐🌹💐 lovely Video Rob Sir.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

it was a bit of fun mate and I enjoyed doing it - personally I think this would make an awesome product as a sci toy

@Yaman-D-Chhaya

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I had so much fun seeing it, Indeed you must have had more fun making it sir its awesome. My battery works will start soon am just waiting for the batteries to arrive, due to the Pandemic all goes around slow but my guy seems is more slower to send the Batteries

You could even put that on a wheel but off balance, and once the top weight is greater at the top it falls to the bottom and momentum carries it till it locks into place once again off centre. This way it would definitely be perpetual motion not needing you to tip it at any point.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I am wondering if we built a few and put them into a Minto wheel config?

@NorthernKitty

3 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering if there's a way to arrange counterweights and locking switches to achieve the same. That is, once the bottom cylinder is full, it unlocks a switch to allow a weight to turn it. As it turns, it lifts an opposing weight. Once upright, the opposing weight is locked into place until the bottom cylinder is full again and unlocks the switch. Process continues to repeat. I'm thinking I'm still missing something, like perhaps an additional counterweight that is lifted by a paddlewheel on a ratcheted gear spun by the falling water that is just enough weight when added to the main counterweight to spin the apparatus when the switch unlocks both. Hope that's clear, I'm still trying to wrap my head around how it could work.

@NorthernKitty

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering Ooooh.. I just looked up "Minto Wheel"... that look quite promising!!! Why do I get the feeling that's the next video we'll be watching? 😸😸😸

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

@@NorthernKitty am I that transparent lol

What enthusiasm

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - cheers mate

would a leaning version tilt over when a certain level is reached ?

@your_utube

3 жыл бұрын

Now you are tethering on the verge of the idea of a real perpetual motion machine. Knowing RObert, he will likely try this crazy idea, be backwith a 5 minute video to show how that would work (or Not). RObert has really captured our attention. I just love the guy.

@stuffoflardohfortheloveof

3 жыл бұрын

It can’t as the increasing weight would be in the lower half......I had the same thought 👍

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

interesting mate - I wonder

Amazing stuff - could you apply your carbon rod hydro power experiment within all the hollow tubes and moving water to generate a charge? Is the any of your water battery magic that could be applied to the drinking bird toy concept. Einstein couldn't crack it, but I bet you could.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

that is spot on one of my plans mate

OK this suggestion is a bit beyond my head for the math and physics involved. Please bare in mind. But could this be converted into a water wheel x2 running in opposition to each other, geared so that the momentum of each would keep the weight from just dropping to the bottom. ie. keeping the water at the 3 & 9 o'clock positions. I don't think it would be exactly perpetual but I would love to see the concept taken to it's limit....

what about 18 of these, in a wheel design ? Weight distribution and pressure ?

You can use cheap aerosol puffer to make a automatic rotating system they have timing circuits that activate ever y 5, 10,15 mins to a dc motor

@michaeltucker8645

3 жыл бұрын

Very cool indeed you could also run that circuit and more from like I suggested a micro turbine in just 1 of the chambers to a ultra capacitor made with your ink no battery needed . The foundation acting like a dinamo for the motor to turn it

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

maybe a lot switch in cylinder 2 and 3 to control the timing?

@michaeltucker8645

3 жыл бұрын

That would work perfectly

I like that 4 tier design that seems to be authentic. I don't understand how those 2 second containers can both have the air inlets into the containers and function in reverse when flipped. In other words you have 2 second containers identical you say, lets call them containers SA and SB. The container SA in its upright position will have its air inlet from a hole in SB container's bottom(or "third" container's top, same thing), but that hole in SB's bottom is identical to SA, therefore SA has a hole in the bottom for air inlet to SB when flipped over, which means it should be leaking and bypassing the fountain. I just haven't figured out how to connect SA and SB together, and i don't think anyone else does either. The only thing i can think of is you used some sort of check valves. Or i am missing something about priming and pressures. Long story short i figured out how to connect them without that 3rd pipe, while keeping SA and SB still identical, but without that 3rd air inlet pipe in the second chambers. I only need 2 pipes from the first chambers, and no other pipes needed anywhere. I need 1st the down spout from the bottom of the 1st chamber to near the bottom of the "3rd" chamber(the other 2nd chamber), and 2nd, i need the fountain pipe that goes from the center of the first chamber to the near the bottom of the 2nd chamber. And then those pipes correctly primed once, will now work in reverse direction when flipped, over and over, only one prime needed but each and every flip is required. lol No need for that 3rd pipe confusing me. lol

how about putting a pivot n middle nn make it flip automatically

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

go for it

that's just brilliant. thanks for sharing!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

How to make it

Could you put it on a pivot so it could turn itself somehow

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know mate - to be honest I think no - but that could just be my prejudice showing

@williambianchi2006

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it would turn itself on a pivot without an external source of energy, but if I have your idea correct, you would be able to turn it easily by hand on a pivot. In my mind, I see two of these, opposite each other on a hub with bearings. Turn it and both would work at the same time. Turn it again, and both would start again.

Now we have to work on the flipping over part, unfortunately it is always heavier on the bottom. Hmm....

Could you put it on a hing allowing the water weight to cause the flipping of the fountain? If so that would be cool

I am gonna build a smaller one of these.. paint it black (so he can't see how it works) and put it on a stand that so can flip it and give it to my brother.. He'll go mad! He is an abuse counselor for the veterns in San Francisco and love little gadgets.. Just to cool Thanks Rob.. once it makes him crazy enough I will turn him onto your site here.. Carry on!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

remember to get the seals right mate - it depends on them

@tinkmarshino

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks for the heads up Rob!

Nice video, I myself was working on a device (Before relocation due to CV19) that was the closet to a perpetual device i had ever seen using already existing technology. If you have heard of a passive water condenser that acts like a desert battle or a cactus plant, then you may know of passive materials that can condense water from the air without energy input. if you link that to an evaporation engine the you'd get a seemly perpetual type device... You could search for an evaporation engine or passive water condensers to find out what am on about

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I already know what you are on about mate but the post is awesome and I count it as a share to everyone else - cheers

Just thought of something. You can add this to a wheel (waterwheel). The weight will shift to the highest point and cause rotation. The water will transfer to the middle toward the middle and back to the top. Now you have a system that may work. Timing would be critical. Lol. May have to use parallel systems........

@DSRRingMaster

3 жыл бұрын

It would be the same principle of using ball bearings to to the same thing... i can't remember the name of that device.. but it too is not true perpetual. It has also been tried with water in the tubes. Granted your idea is a bit different because it would take longer to transfer the weight. Not a bad idea but also it would be extremely hard to keep it from balancing out with such a slow transfer.

Cool !

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - cheers mate

Good video rob

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

cheers mate

Flip it 13 times and the egg is done?

Interesting! Now for the difficult question! How could you use the fountain to provide energy for an external function? (by turbine?), and would using some of the fountains energy alter its function?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yes probably after all we input energy on turning it and extracting energy would slow or stop it I would think

Really awesome design 👍 could you put it on a self tipping wheel so that when it’s top heavy, charged, it flips making it self perpetuating? You could use the spinning wheel as the turbine and maybe use oil instead of water for a faster discharge. I think you could do this with an off centre axel. Of course it wouldn’t rotate as much as pendulum but it would sabe pretty cool

@bmweiner

2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool, but unfortunately it would require some external force. Notice how most of the water ends up in the bottom half of the cylinder due to gravity!

Hey you by chance seen the article on turning red bricks into super caps?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yes mate I have

@HergerTheJoyous

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I thought it was interesting because I'm doing an Aircrete pour around my house and my it got me thinking about maybe trying to make some sort of Aircrete/ activated carbon super cap?

@Baigle1

3 жыл бұрын

@@HergerTheJoyous If you grind the activated carbon into a nanopowder (and don't breathe it in), add some nanopowder ferrite (toner) and some nanopowder aluminum (can explode), you can adsorb electromagnetic energy (gets turned into heat by flipping the plasmons or something). Full wave rectifiers are one way to convert ~90% of the energy hitting your walls into electricity, using two half-wave dipole antennas and a rectifier diode setup. Some antenna shapes respond to wideband frequencies, and some advanced setups can handle any polarization or direction. This can be considered free energy, just less than sunlight provides. You might get a couple hundred watts from your walls depending on how close you live to towers, and the best part is you will live healthier and that energy would have just bounced around and created signal noise if you hadn't used it.

I bet it would be even cooler to watch a few drops of food coloring cycle through it.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

that would be cool

Hi Robert, I have been receiving notification emails from you everyday, but 3 days ago they stopped. This includes all other subs. This is the last of your videos I received a notification from. Have you made any more since?

This is basically just an over-built hourglass right?

@brothernobody1775

3 жыл бұрын

as much as an hourglass is a simplified battery. if you time it right, yes

@aussieimdeutschland9436

3 жыл бұрын

@Adam Richard yes, but why add all the compexity? couldn't you add a turbine into a water-filled hourglass too?

@mikebond6328

3 жыл бұрын

Because it’s groovy dude.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

pretty much - but it has potential to do somethings inn y eyes that you couldn't do with an hourglass

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

well there are a couple of reasons - one is just the fun and this would be a great sci toy - if you like to look at it this way an hour glass just pours down this pours up - apparently - the other reason is - it is a pump and pumps can do all kinds of things an hour glass can't

Any one interested in this devuce would probably also be interested Wally Mintos wonder wheel. Think of a wheel made of those novelty tipping drinking birds scaleable to a size capable of some real work on a low temperature differential.

A beautifully constructed, water-based, reverse hour glass. This is exactly what I envisioned after your last video. I am going to construct one for my desk.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I think that is an awesome idea mate - it will make a great sci toy for sure - if you narrow the outlet nozzle the stream is. much more visually impressive

@mrdewilliams

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks. I will do that.

Surely there is a way of connecting this to the AC system then you would really have something

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

for sure mate and I love that idea

OK so now I have a thought, couldn't we take and add a float on the bottom that acts like a limit switch so when it feels all the way up it would contact to a graphene painted disk and turn on a small pump and pump the water out of the bottom and into the middle then have a floating pressure plate in the middle that would turn the pump off again to save on the energy. I think it would work well and kind of like a gas hand float in a car. Awesomeness

@jasonwitt8619

3 жыл бұрын

To add to that, Your pump that you wanted to add could actually power the pump that would be turned on and off by the float contact switch. WOW, and just like that we have created a lot of moving parts but we wouldn't have to ever flip it again and it would run all on it's own.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I like that mate - I think that would make the water kind of a liquid piston?

@jasonwitt8619

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I believe with the combination of your pump powering a small fish tank type of pump or household small pond pump, we could have a perpetual motion type ordeal going on. But if we added some more of your power pumps into the mix then we could get some extra energy to use to maybe charge a phone or something while we sit in the garden listening to the water run from the fountain. Just brilliant mate, Love it. You know I believe if this was a even bigger system of water containers, you could actually get some big volts out of this thing. Kind of like making your own river in a jug, a "hydro piston \ hydro river \ hydro power plant" All in in one. Heck you got me wanting to build a super sized one now just to see how much extra power one could generate. Kind of like a free energy type device per say if there was a thing called free energy. Now I'm thinking how could we add more water when it gets low and the answer I guess would be to leave the top open to better see and hear the fountain and so that rain water could refill it. hmmm this thing could be a very big step in getting a lot of free energy left over on the back end of the unit and it would be self reliant, heck if we added a small graphene solar panel to help power the pump, we could get a lot of extra energy left over. Tesla invented giant hydro power plants at Niagara falls back in his day, could you imagine something like this built large enough to create that type of power or big enough to power a house even, lol - Now I'm wondering how big would it have to be to have one power a house. hmmm

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonwitt8619 sounds to me like somehow some building to do lol

@jasonwitt8619

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering LOL, Lots mate , cheers

Okay, so after reading through the comments, adding thoughts on a few and watching the video again, you might be able to let gravity flip this thing if the pivot was below the 3rd jar, but since the position f the jars changes with each flip, you would need two pivot points, one on each outside jar, and then be able to raise the pivot while it's turning so that the opposite jar sits upright on the ground at the end of the turn. Kind of like an elipse with the pivots at the foci. On each flip, the bottom pivot would be active and the top one passive, maybe adding to the weight to help flip around the active pivot. Perpetual motion devices based on a circle have never worked, but I don't know if anyone's ever tried basing one on a elipse.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

that is interesting - but this isn't really perpetual I do have to input energy - I do that by mechanically flipping it over - I think there might be a possibility of making this into a heat engine - but I wouldn't think you could make it a perpetual device just as a balanced system - but that is really my prejudice showing as opposed to me knowing what I am talking about

@reypolice5231

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I originally saw this way back as a container system. And I thought about making it out of two 55 gallon drums, on a teeter setup ( actual point between the two drums on a frame) in the middle. Then have a rope attached to top drum. Then run that rope threw a pulley on the floor from the top barrel, and pull the barrel rope by hand or crank to flip the barrels. My intent was to use this to move 55 gallons of water uphill. Threw a small quarter inch pipe from the 55 gallon drum. Separately the two barrel system could be reconfigured that the water pushes air to a higher point under pressure instead of water, and a separate check valve or inlet valve would let air into the system as needed. Only one of the two barrels on a two barrel system have to be air sealed. The other barrel can be open to the atmosphere, according to the channel you mentioned in one of his videos. Separately I've been really looking at Trompe systems that move high volume of compressed air. Also water elevators that would move the water back up to the high point. Mr Thessalonian built an excellent version of a trompe/ram system that produced 60 PSI on a 20 ft drop. Then the water elevator could move the water back up to the top. You now have 60 PSI to run through your Tesla turbine for generation. Separately the water elevator can move the water as high up as you think you need it and the water can run a generator before it enters the 20 foot drop to the Trompe/ram system. The water elevator could also possibly push the water with enough pressure to run that little inline turbine you showed in this video series. Mostly just pipe a check valve and a propane tank is all you need for the Trompe/ ram and the water elevator. It's all piping. The Trompe/ RAM does make a little bit of noise, but it's outside along side of your building could be put in a box to muffle the noise. I think you have at least 10 or 20 ft at the roof line of your building? If you're interested in more information I can send you the KZread channels that talk about this stuff. Hope what I said was helpful in what you're doing.

Maybe all the Greek and Romans used this with their fountains? They definitely had electricity. They probably knew all this stuff. Their architecture just demonstrates another level of cultural achievement.

How is this not water flowing from higher potential energy (altitude) to lower? I mean from an energy perspective. You put the energy in by flipping it, and it comes back in the flowing water.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yes - I explain that in the video - did you watch the video?

@jagardina

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I did, I may have missed that point. Norway stores a lot of energy by using mountain lakes to store water pumped from below. Not all terrains support that but there are many that can and do. Thanks.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

@@jagardina no worries mate - I am a fan of pumped hydro as it happens I know the efficiency in terms of energy is low and Capex is high but once up and running opex is low and I agree with that - for me it is cost of energy supplied

Balance it in the rt spot it willflip itself at the proper time: 0

You add one missing part and that really is a going to be perpetual energy

As my Mom tends to say, when I get excited like this: "Little things please little minds!" LOL I really love your work! Thanks for the fun!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - mine used to say that too and I would reply little pants - little behinds, cheers mate

ingenious. you give colin furze a run for his money. you 2 should consider collaborating sometime.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

I am in awe of Colin lol

@geodeaholicm4889

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering YUP ! he is seriously cool, as are you.

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Can't wait to see how to create electricity out of it.

Sir Philip Anthony Hopkins of science. lol

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol

Why not just use 3 cylinders the cylinder 2 and 3 on a platform at equal levels and add a connecting tube under 2 and 3 connecting them and a platform above them for cylinder 1 then it would run perpetual untill to much water evaporates and you wouldn't have to turn it over and over again try it cause it works

@irunaonlinemonkremod7754

Жыл бұрын

I forgot to say the connection tube from the bottom of cylinder 2 and 3 needs to be a one way flow valve

uk people are all smart like newton

perpetual device for someone with ADD?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yep

The answer to complaints of “not enough information” should always be: “Google.” It’s free, just like this video.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - indeed - still I like to try and listen at least lol

Imagine Multicolour LED's In There And It Flipped Itself With Gravity ? Blessings Earthling

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

nice lol

If 70 billion people around the world each made one, the earth would run out of gravity. You can't get owt for nowt.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

70 billion? I thought it was 7 billion - I suppose it doesn't really matter - that's a lot of people - but run out of gravity? can that happen? You are are not getting owt for nowt here - the energy in the system is input by you turning it around - like I said in the video

Thanks, looked like 1 tube through all 3 cylinders in last vid.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

that is exactly what it is - it is two of the type from the last vid 'smashed' together

So it's a "perpetual" manual flipping fountain not all that unlike the 3-cylinder one. Take a look at the "barrel drum water pump" that many of the Asians use to irrigate their fields. It never has to be flipped and pulls water from a lower water source (i.e. a river) to a higher plane (i.e. crop fields) perpetually. Just has to be primed once and off it goes. Could be used to power a water wheel electric generator too.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yep - it's kind of close to perpetual as we will get I think - but that might be just my prejudice showing there - the barrel drum water pump is a syphon I think

@Seal6Sniper

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering It is a siphon indeed, Robert. Pretty ingenious stuff.

Perpetual???

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

yeah - kind of lol

So, you can "scale" this up and put impeller/Gens on each end and put the whole thing on a middle pivot point and let it run for ever! Think about having several hundred gallons running......

@MonaichFother

3 жыл бұрын

A sort of 'free energy' machine? You might be onto something there. :D

@colleenforrest7936

3 жыл бұрын

If the water was filling up the top, maybe, but it's filling up the bottom. But you could maybe add a wind up spring with an escapement timed to release and spin the pivot when the fountain emptied. That would keep it going for awhile.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

interesting mate - personally I have my own ideas about this but I like that

You remind me of Tommy Cooper, 'Perpetual' means "occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted" you are clearly interrupting! If you were to look at putting your '4 Tier Heron's Fountain' on a spindle that rotates 180 degrees at a certain point due to weight bias to keep the fountain going without any additional energy intervention, then that would be something. "Your welcome!"

این کار همانند آزمایشات دیگر تا چرخ کامل وبدون نیاز به حرکتی اضافه کار نکند بیفایده است آیا شما میتوانید چرخه اب را دایم وهمیشگی کنید همه میگویند غیر ممکن است ولی من بعداز یکسال تلاش توانستم انجام بدم..باتشکر

Great Rob... From genius chemist to mechanical engineer. How about adding some activated carbon elements for ultra filtered water!

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

all things link mate - a couple of turns and you get ultra pure - nice one - and it would be fun to watch as It processed - now then - just as I was typing this occurred to me so thanks - here is a possible product - not only as a sci toy - but as a kind of self powered mixer - I think that is interesting and has JVC shopping channel appeal

Just can't see what's happening! Too far away! Why not just make it refil itself so it will run forever minus evaporation.

it is NOT Perpetual as you have to flip it

@K9JT

3 жыл бұрын

There's always that one person...

@mikebond6328

3 жыл бұрын

It is perpetual in the sense that if used for a water battery it is both charging and discharging at the same time.

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

lol - no very true why do think I put perpetual in quote marks and said exactly that in the video? Still it is probably as near as we will get - and did you actually watch the video all the way through?

@ThinkingandTinkering

3 жыл бұрын

that is certainly the sense i meant it

@roberthopgood1894

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingandTinkering I did watch the entire video I have seen other versions with an open top that do not seem to stop

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