this helped me restore my grandfathers reel ty

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have helped. Thanks for the note. Best wishes for great fishing with the reel - Dennis

Dennis: Everything in this reel is either aluminum, stainless steel or brass. If I had a sandy reel like this, I think I would just wash everything in the sink with warm water and detergent to get the old grease and sand out of it. Then blow it dry with compressed air and spray with WD40 to get any remaining water out. Then lube and reassemble. The sand was making me grit my teeth when you took it apart. Eeeeek.

Thank you, it worked! I got my 704 operational again.

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help. I appreciate the feedback and your watching my channel - Best wishes for great fishing - Dennis

Thanks for sharing Dennis very helpful. I just serviced my Penn 710 greenie with your helpful video, the bail wasn’t tripping all the way …now it’s working just fine following you thanks again! Wish everything was that easy!

thank you my 704 700 710 are ruining good 👊👍 Dennis when i open 704 she smelled like old stamp wax for letters your a legend🎣!!!

@2ndChanceTackle

3 жыл бұрын

Well - that's an analogy I haven't heard before! They are both petroleum products, so it is possible! A lot of old timers used to put Vaseline in the reel as a lube. It is petroleum jelly, but it I a poor substitute for reel grease. - Dennis

Thank you for the maintenance education. I have a few of those greenies to work on.

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome - thanks for watching - Dennis

@THEWATCHER4670

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ndChanceTackle Dennis i have a ?Q? does the 710z gold spool and gold handle fit the old 710 black ??? thank you from southNJ

Nice find Dennis! I've been looking for one of these Greenies to add to my vintage reel collection for a while. Maybe I'll get lucky like you did!

Dennis thanks for recommendations. I followed your video and fully dissembled 704z. The old grease became like gum. After cleaning and adding new grease reel working like new. Thanks again.

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

Nice to hear Riyad - Congratulations and good luck fishing - Dennis

Thank you, this was a lot of help!

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! I appreciate you watching and your feedback - Dennis

Dennis,after managing to find a Penn Spinfisher 704 which was in a pretty bad state with an awful lot of beach inside.Followed your video step by step and the reel is now running sweet as a nut,as you say the quality of the engineering is superb. Mitchell 624 is next on the shopping list. Best wishes from England Stuart

@2ndChanceTackle

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that the video helped Stuart. Best wishes - please stay safe and stay watching - Dennis

Dennis. I now have a 1961 original Spinfisher 700. I got very lucky. In only the 1961 reel that transition piece or crosswind arm attached to the axle shaft and main gear was made of aluminum and was prone to break. All the years after they changed it to marine brass and there was never a problem again. I now have every model of the Penn Spinfisher 700 and 704 “Greenies.” I love these reels and fish with all of them!

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Sounds like quite a collection. I just got two printing greenies in for a tune up. A 711 and 712. Absolutely beautiful reels that were made to last.

@christopherjenkins2373

4 жыл бұрын

2nd Chance Tackle I wish I had some of the smaller Penn Greenies. I guess you have to define your collection so since I surf fish, I only have the 700 and 704 Greenies. I should clarify that I don’t have every 700 and 704 that came out each year since 1961. What I’ve collected is every different model or style that has come out. Every one of mine has some physical appearance that made each one unique in the product line. Also I only have the ones with the crank on the left side. There is a 706 greenie but I only have 700 and 704. Put together with my black and gold Penn Z reels it is quite a collection particularly in that I’ve only been seriously collecting for a year and a half. As I’ve said I now have about 50 vintage surf spinning reels. I still have a few Mitchells I want in the collection but these are the hardest to find and difficult to afford. I am proud of the 10 Mitchell’s I’ve restored (with your help!). By far the 488 was the most difficult and largest. The bail spring and trip mechanism are almost impossible for one person to do. Another reason I like PUM reels so much!

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

You have hit on why I DO NOT collect reels - there are just too many variations and nuances of the models and manufacture in order to keep up with all. I "collect" or care take for a few sentimental reels and no more. While I have lots of reels, my intention is to service them and send them back out fishing. Best wishes on your search, it can be a fun pursuit - Dennis

@christopherjenkins2373

4 жыл бұрын

2nd Chance Tackle I can already see that because I limited my collecting to vintage surf spinners I am rapidly exhausting what I actually want. In fact there are a few I got early on that I may ultimately get rid of. I like the iconic reels that have stood the test of time. I have no desire for any of the new Chinese manufactured reels. I know there are some great modern reels out there but that’s just not what I’m interested in. I have a few oddities I’ve found but they are not what my collecting has been about. Right now there are only a few reels I still would like to have and most of them are Penn or Mitchell. There is the old adage that you’ve got to know your limitations.

@christopherjenkins2373

4 жыл бұрын

@@2ndChanceTackle Dennis are you going to do videos on the two greenies? I'd love to see them worked on and serviced. I only have the larger 700s and 704s. These smaller ones fascinate me. Hope i can see you work on them!

When I saw this video the first time I think I had just gotten my 2nd Penn greenie. Now I have 6 and will probably get more if I can. I would love to find a Penn 706 PUM greenie but they are pretty rare. I do have all the different body styles of the Penn 700 and 704 greenie. The most valuable reel I own is a 1961 first edition of the original Penn 700 Spinfisher. It was the very first Spinfisher! I will never fish it as it is just to valuable. The first edition in 1961 had an aluminum oscillation arm that could and did break. In 1862 Penn went with marine brass like this reel and no more problem. The distinctive way to identify a 1961 first edition is it was the only one that ever had a beautiful one piece green handle. I’ll bet the bearing in this 700 would have been near impossible to remove. They are a real challenge. To me, this will always be one of your finest videos! $5.00 - unbelievable!

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information. I learn something every day!

@thomcerny1101

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like that's what I have too (green handle and aluminum arm.) My paint is all beat up, and I need a new Click Screw.

@christopherjenkins2373

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomcerny1101 I think any Penn 700 and maybe a 704 click screw will work. If your handle is green it is most definitely a 1961 1st edition Penn 700 Spinfisher. Mine only has a little paint loss on the handle. Mine is also technically a 701 as it came with two spools. I’ve seen about 6 of them in 2020 and before but good ones are very rare and quite valuable. If you can’t find that clicker screw let me know and maybe I can help. I have a few really great contacts for parts on these old greenies. The one part you’ll never find is that aluminum oscillation arm . Folks almost always replace it with the 1962 and later marine brass arm. I have 6 of the Penn greenies including every body style of the 700 and 704. I hope to find a 706 PUM greenies but all the ones I’ve seen are either too expensive or have incorrect parts on them.

@thomcerny1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherjenkins2373 what does PUM stand for?

@christopherjenkins2373

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomcerny1101 in spinning reels it actually comes from a French term. French often puts adjectives after nouns unlike English. Best translation literally would be, ‘Pick up manual.” In English we say, “manual pick up.” This means there is no bail wire to direct the line to the line roller to retrieve your rig or fish. I’d rather use a PUM reel over bailed when surf fishing. I’ve collected many reels in both bailed and PUM versions. I have almost all the French Mitchell saltwater reels in those two versions. I even have a few Penn greenies in those pairs. My most recent pair are French Bretton 902 large saltwater spinning reels. I also obtained a very rare Mer 52 PUNCH PUM Surf reel from France. I wish you could see pictures of these reels. They are remarkable. Have you ever seen a saltwater spinning reel with a lever drag? I have one.

In 1976 I already owned a Penn 720 & 710 Spinfishers, when the 716 came out. Back then, at least in my area, you could only buy them in tackle shops. I paid $24 in Julian’s located in Atlantic Highlands NJ. I still have that reel and still use it with the Ugly Stik 5’ ultra lite I got for $19.99 at Herman’s. (I still have the receipt because it’s guaranteed for life! LOL) Back then I was only a teenager making less than $2.50 and hour, so it was about 2 days pay after the 5% sales tax. tight lines...

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the memories, neighbor. The bay will break open soon. Best wishes - Dennis

Lots of info in all the videos you make, thanks. Have you ever made or considered of making a video in basic maintenance on the equipment after a days outing

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't made that video, but I will add it to my list of requested items. Thanks for the suggestion - Dennis

Thanks for detailed review! Could tell me please why head can shake on 704? Is this required bearing replacement

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Riyal. The first place I would check on the shaking rotor is the nut that hols it to the pinion gear. Take the spool off and make sure the nut is tight. If that does not take up the slack, then you most likely have a worn bearing. The worn bearing would be unusual, so it is probably a loose nut - Dennis

This video motivated me to restore my Penn 712 Greenie which has been laying around for years. After thorough cleaning, greasing with Penn grease and replacing the drag washers and bail spring I took it out on its maiden fishing trip. It worked wonderfully for about 20-30 casts and then I noticed that it was getting harder and harder to reel (turn) . Its almost locked up now and I was wondering if you had any advice on what the issue might be?

@2ndChanceTackle

3 ай бұрын

That is hard to say. If I were to guess, the first thought would be that the A/R dog is trapped behind the main gear. Sounds odd, but it happens if you removed the main gear. If not, you need to recheck your work. It could be another issue with he gears meshing or the axle shaft oscillation Thanks for asking Dennis

Thanks for the lesson. I have two old 710s to clean up. One question, on the bail spring how is it reattached/loaded? Could you please post a video on that. Thank you.

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

I wil add this to my request list and try to get it done in the next few days. Thanks for asking - Dennis

@sdheron7864

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dennis, were you able to do a video on how to get the bail spring in correctly on a 710 or similar Penn? Thanks. I really enjoy your videos.

did you, or would you ever do a shimano bait runner?

Dennis: Really enjoying your videos. They've inspired me to start tinkering with old reels. At the 7:36 point in this video, you struggle a bit to remove the rotor cup. I have an original Penn 700 (painted handle) that I'm cleaning and I cannot get the same part off! I have doused it with WD40 and pulled as hard as I could, multiple times over a couple hours, with no luck. What would you suggest as a next step? I need to get it off because the bearing cover, like yours, is full of grit.

@2ndChanceTackle

3 жыл бұрын

As a last resort. if all else fails, put the rotor nut back on the pinion gear for one or two turns, but leave space from being fully tightened. Next, get a soft blow hammer and hold the rotor cup while letting the rest of the reel hang free. One sharp blow on the top of the rotor nut may free the stuck part. Just be aware that this may cause damage, so you should understand the risk. I have done it successfully a few times and having the nut on the pinion gear protects the threads, but there are no guarantees. Best wishes - Dennis

@thomcerny1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ndChanceTackle Before I resort to that, can you suggest any other lubricant that might free it up? Could I soak the whole thing in WD40?

@2ndChanceTackle

3 жыл бұрын

Kroil seems to work very well for me when I need to see stuck parts

@thomcerny1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ndChanceTackle Your hammer blow approach did the trick! However, now I've found the ball bearing frozen in place...

@2ndChanceTackle

3 жыл бұрын

OK - get a thin punch that will fit inside the reel and catch the lip of the bearing by sliding the punch along the side of the pinion gear from underneath. You can then tap the bearing out from below. I never recommend this unless you are going to replace the bearing, but it will work as long as you have the clearance between the bottom of the pinion gear and the side plate that holds the bearing. If you don't have the clearance or want an alternative, soak the bearings with liquid wrench, broil, etc then reattach the rotor cup after you have removed the hold down collar and use the rotor as a handle to pull up on the assembly CAREFUL! Best wishes - Dennis

Dennis, My Dad has one these Greenis reels. I followed your video & its seems to be working. My question is if you think it can be used for fishing again? What pound test should I put on for bait surf fishing? Thanks so much for your videos!

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Why not! Lots of folks are still fishing these today. There is no reason to leave it home? The point test depends on what you are fishing for, but 12-15 is probably the norm. Thanks for asking - Dennis

Hi Dennis, I am interested in learning about Penn Greenies and what the various model numbers signify. I am shopping for an inland pier or dock reel that could maybe occasionally be used in the surf. I see models for 710 for sale online, and lower numbers too. Does the higher number denote a larger reel? Thank you.

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

Actually, it seems to be the other way around. The 704 is the largest, the 710, which is ideal for the pier is a medium sized reel and the ones higher than 710 are smaller. I don't know the numbering scheme. I will have to see if I can learn more to answer that question. Thanks for asking

Dennis I bought a Penn 700 not too long ago, took the reel apart to clean it & the main drive gear looks to be made of steel, I was under the impression that Penn used brass or bronze on these gears, this is a first for me. Have you ever run across steel gears in these older spinfishers??

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

I haven't, but it may either be the first edition that was only made for 1 year or it could be a replacement part

Hi Dennis l have this beautiful reel and I'm planning to install one way bearing to delete that annoying clicking sound...any idea where can I find those bearings?... thanks

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

Check with Bocabearings.com. I am not aware of the conversion - Dennis

Love this. My dad had a greenie that he used all the time me growing up. I don't know what happened to it. Do you have any for sale?

@2ndChanceTackle

2 жыл бұрын

I do every now and then - For information, please send a note to my email 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com - Dennis

I have a 716 and a 712 the brass emblem came off both . what would you recommend to reattach them? they are both in nice shape I figured id ask . don't wanna ruin them ! thanks !

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

A drop of crazy glue should do it with minimum effort - Dennis

@moondog371

5 жыл бұрын

thank you@@2ndChanceTackle

How hard are they to strip, refinish and paint to make them pretty again ?

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

I don't choose to repaint any reels. I like the story they tell with the wear and tear (patina). The stripping is OK if you use a chemical stripper. To repaint, use automotive paint. Make sure to use a sandal primer first and then the finish coat - Dennis

I have the 702 reel. Found it at Goodwill. It's hard to find another like it, is the 702 rare?

@2ndChanceTackle

Ай бұрын

Yes - it is relatively rare because it is designed for left handers, which means it has a right hand crank. Penn didn't make that many of these reels when compared to the 700 "right hand" model. Nice find! I am currently working on a model 711 which is the "left hand" version of the popular 710 model. Thanks for asking - Dennis

Why didn't you oil the bearing under the SS shield ??

@2ndChanceTackle

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm - I should have. Probably an oversight. Thanks

Just watching this again for fun but I have a question. Why didn’t you take the bearing and pinion out? That might have been very entertaining to watch. Lol. You have the most infuriating luck getting them out. It took me almost two years to get the bearings out of my 6 oldest greenies. You’d probably cringe at some of the things I’ve tried but I was always very careful. I started my collecting back in 2019 by getting my first two 704 greenies. Now I’m almost at 250 total not including parts reels. This will always be one of my favorite videos. It seems like so long ago. -- Chris

@2ndChanceTackle

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure why, too many videos to remember what I did or didn't with some of the reels. I have been lucky with the bearings, I've got to admit that! Dennis

I have several Greenies I want to restore,,,,can you still get the original green paint? and if not do you have any suggestions on a matching paint and what type to use ?

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

I am not aware of the paint availability. I will leave that to our viewers. I would think that a local automotive paint supplier to auto body shops might be able to match it - Dennis

@lakesideinc

4 жыл бұрын

oh,,, yeah I replaced all the springs and found a new spool for it...its almost all new,,,, just would like to keep it the original color if its available too

Hi , hello ,thank you video , but you must be change ball bearing of pinion gear , will be good ,,

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

I generally do not change a ball bearing during a routine service. but if it is noisy, it is time to do that - Dennis

Do you have a 710 greenie tear down

@2ndChanceTackle

2 жыл бұрын

I don't, but I will add it to my list and do one as soon as I get the next one in my shop - Thanks for asking - Dennis

Does line roller come off mines stuck

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the small roller should come off the 700. Try flooding it with a penetrating oil and let it sit. The should free it - Dennis You can check the schematic at Mysticparts.com to see how it comes together - Dennis

So I got a bit ahead of myself and completely tore this real down because it was all in bad shape. Now that I have cleaned it all up and got some new parts and I thought pictures would be enough to help me get it back together but I’m stuck on some parts. What are the chances of you doing a complete rebuild video on the 700 spin fisher?

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Morgan - I do repair and rebuild these reels. Please send a note to my email 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com for details on how to ship the reel to me - Thanks for asking - Dennis

Where is part 2?

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

Hmmmm. I will need to check

I hear what you mean about the sand if I’m landing a big fish I’d rather put my reel in the water than drop it in the sand

@2ndChanceTackle

Жыл бұрын

Sand is the number 1 issue with surfcasters - Thanks

Whats the value on one of these

@2ndChanceTackle

5 жыл бұрын

Condition is everything. These reels can usually be found between $20 and $50, depending on the condition. Less wear and bright paint bring higher values. One that show they've been fishing a lot cost less - Dennis

ebay it

I really appreciate your common sense approach to working on reels. That said, I work on reels myself for other folks and I am what I guess you would call "anal" about my work, using cleaning machines, cleaning and repacking bearings, etc. What you do clearly works well, but I have always wondering why you don't take apart and service the roller assembly on spinning reels. They are critical to the performance of a reel in terms of line lay and twist. I would appreciate your thoughts.

@2ndChanceTackle

4 жыл бұрын

Dave - I appreciate your thoroughness and glad to hear your thoughts. I generally do not service the roller bearings and at best just add a drop of oil. If a red fails, it is usually not because of that and I try to identify the failure and show how to correct them. It is probably a bad habit I developed when most reels did not have this feature and I failed to keep pace with the changes. I try to show the heavy lifting in my videos to give folks the confidence on how to service their reels. I am always looking to improve and will try to remember to note that they should pay attention to the roller bearings in future videos. - Thanks for watching - Dennis