As soon as I read the title I started speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.

@five12man

17 күн бұрын

Sometimes it be like that

@tripledair

17 күн бұрын

@@five12man Karens gotta Karen.

@mb5387

17 күн бұрын

Did you also not diagnose anybody?

@DearDextra

17 күн бұрын

I appreciate that you are not diagnosing anybody here and only speculating.

@tripledair

17 күн бұрын

@@DearDextra only speculating

The one major point that to me appears mostly overlooked is she's lobotomized. Just because she can articulate morality doesn't mean she has the impulse control to adhere to it or the ability to predict the outcome of an action. In my opinion, her history of behavioral problems suggests she needs far more supervision than she receives.

@arkbien9303

14 күн бұрын

My family is friends with a family who has two sons that have under developed frontal lobes. They are great fellows but lack serious impulse control and need constant supervision.

@janethayes1728

13 күн бұрын

Agreed. She is not mentally capable of understanding the implications of her actions, and subsequent incidents reinforce this assumption.

@osier769

12 күн бұрын

One thing that does seem for sure, she needs more supervision for the safety of all, including herself.

@TigerChic

12 күн бұрын

Agree! I also think that she walks around in self defense mode because of the bullying. Not because she lacks empathy. People who have to live with that disability often develop that self defense mode because of being bullied at school or whatever. It’s really sad that people can’t see that their mentality is not the same as ours. 😞

@insaneconqueror5421

12 күн бұрын

Sad, but the family of the victim would not agree.

Where I live, it's illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, but the penalty isn't death.

@thomasrobinson182

10 күн бұрын

Riding in the street is always risking injury. I've been cut off by cars, crashing in one instance,- the driver took off - and having my hand bruised by the door handle of a car as a teen. That driver stopped, but I asked him to leave me alone.

@jeffharrison1090

2 күн бұрын

I think most places have laws not to ride bicycles, mopeds on sidewalk. But regular skateboards, skates or usually okay although, supposedly, sk8 boarders are suppose to yield to pedestrians at all times. Well, we know how that works! Ppl aren't suppose to rob banks or steal either...lol!

@SeanLain

Күн бұрын

People die from making their own mistakes all the time, what are you even talking about?

@thatoneguyffs

Күн бұрын

If ita illegal to ride bikes on side walk ill need a bike lane minimum 5 feet wide and not next to the road where a car can just side swipe me and dip.

@reymicroc

Күн бұрын

Fy

The fact that she just walked off to go shopping. Doesn't sound like she had any remorse.

@bjmaston

14 күн бұрын

SHE WAS LOBOTOMISED

@shamancredible8632

14 күн бұрын

That's like saying someone should have remorse after swatting a fly

@redchief94

14 күн бұрын

What does that even mean? Are you calling the cyclist a fly? That's pretty dehumanizing.

@starboard9551

14 күн бұрын

Remorse for what? Pointing with her finger? What's there to feel bad about the other person fell over all by themself.

@ArthurB26

13 күн бұрын

​@@starboard9551 She reached her hand infront of the cyclist causing her swerve into traffic. Her irrational actions resulted in someone death.

I know this woman. She came to our town one day and berated anyone who was walking and using their phones. She took it upon herself to police the sidewalks. It landed her in jail. I'll always remember her for screaming at me what a "little bastard" I was.

@organicvids

16 күн бұрын

Dain bramage she has.

@Tiglath-PileserXIX

16 күн бұрын

Obviouslhy, she had a lot of pent up hate.

@joyandrews3804

16 күн бұрын

Yeah! I have to get out of the way of people looking at their phones. They aren’t watching where they are going. Then they look up and glare at you for daring to be on the sidewalk at the same time as them.

@cris-rj5zf

16 күн бұрын

Were you ?

@jimbonater

16 күн бұрын

@@joyandrews3804 Nothing a stiff elbow wouldn't cure, when I see people walk across the street glued to their phone they don't realize so are the people driving cars.

The elderly cyclist was a retired midwife, she spent her whole life helping people for it to end so awfully, so very sad ❤

@serasmiles2

16 күн бұрын

why does her job have anything to do with it. The peestrian was mobility impaired. The biker was on the sidewalk.

@australien6611

16 күн бұрын

In my view she had poor control over the bike and shouldn't have been riding it in the first place

@gavinjenkins899

16 күн бұрын

So it was a normally nice person who was illegally riding down a sidewalk being a menace in a road-only vehicle? Okay and? If I skydive into an electrical transformer, do I get to sue the power company as long as I opened an orphanage earlier in life?

@berniefynn6623

16 күн бұрын

The cyclist CHOSE to be on the footpath, CHOSE to not look knowing it a busy road, she caused her own death, HOW does a WAVE BE CAUSE OF SOME ELSE DECISIONS?????????

@Kyanzes

16 күн бұрын

@@serasmiles2 minimal patience/tolerance was all that was needed. But that woman could not muster an iota tolerance. An evil woman. The fact that she left says all.

Notice how the pedestrian was walking in the middle of the "pavement" and making no attempt to share the sidewalk. To me, this showed an attitude of "owning" the whole of the sidewalk, and a clear intent that she was not about to give the cyclist room - and had every intention blocking her and/or forcing her into the street. Then, as the cyclist passed, she very clearly "assisted" her into traffic. There was plenty of room for both ladies, but no, this "entitled" pedestrian was going to make a point - with deadly consequences. Then, she fled the scene with wanton disregard for the injury she caused and then lied to police. She deserves a lot more than three years IMHO.

@rickytarkowski6564

9 күн бұрын

Celia needed to slow down in this situation.

@shuheihisagi6689

8 күн бұрын

Blaming the lobotimized handicapped lady lmao

@jjk2one

8 күн бұрын

You stop your bike when in doubt

@SerginhoPMoura

7 күн бұрын

​​@@rickytarkowski6564clearly, but that does not change the clear intention of Auriol to cause harm.

@DrPwnStar

7 күн бұрын

Doesn't matter! That makes her guilty of being an asshole, not a murderer!

You never know what people are going to do! She's walking in the CENTER of the sidewalk, acting like she owns it.

Having the right of way doesn't grant you the right to put other people at risk. The fact Auriol causally walked off and went shopping after someone died proves she has no empathy after what she did.

@carltaylor6452

17 күн бұрын

Perhaps - but she is mentally disabled, which may explain her cognitive inability to realise the seriousness of the incident.

@sugarspice7768

17 күн бұрын

There was plenty of space for both of them on the sideway. She clearly walks right into the cyclist's path. She might not have been intending to killer her, but she certain did not care if the cyclist was killed or badly injured. Not to mention the trauma she inflicted on the unfortunate driver. 😢

@KenTeel

17 күн бұрын

Good analysis. Well said.

@MrBilly235

17 күн бұрын

@@sugarspice7768 The side walk is for pedestrians, the cyclist should have gone around the individual with the legally established right of way, the cyclist choose not to and Darwin stepped in and said 'buh bye'.....

@acherontiaatropos6048

17 күн бұрын

@@MrBilly235 Cyclists are pedestrians and need to stay off the road. You must neither cycle or drive where cyclists are. Cycling in the road is extremely dangerous for cyclists as well as drivers having to maneuver around someone going 1/9th their speed. If they are ever actually banned from sidewalks then they should just not be allowed anywhere. Bye bye environment.

As an avid cyclist, whenever I feel uncertain about safety, I slow to a stop, for my own safety. I don't condemn Celia, but I would have stopped, waited for Arial to pass, then rode away.

@crystalquasar6841

13 күн бұрын

This is the right thing to do.

@tomruth9487

12 күн бұрын

@mikyl-fo8rh, I'm a cyclist also. I see your point and I might have done the same thing as you. But if I was walking and I saw a bicycle, even though I know I have the right away, I still would just move over, seems like there was plenty of room for both of them on the sidewalk.

@mikyl-fo8rh

12 күн бұрын

@@tomruth9487 me too

@oliviastar3812

12 күн бұрын

was just saying same thing after watching this - mind you, the benefit of hindsight is 20-20 vision. The poor lady victim was prob unaware until she got too close to danger.

@mikyl-fo8rh

12 күн бұрын

@@tomruth9487 yep

I don't ride a bike anymore. If you ride in the street, you battle vehicles, if you ride on sidewalks you deal with angry pedestrians. There's really no place for bikes anymore.

@fredmercury1314

10 күн бұрын

To be fair, bicycles were an outdated mode of transport about 100 years ago. It's illegal to cycle on the pavement.

@APOStLEpaulie

10 күн бұрын

How about, idk, bike paths???????

@samuraiskill7062

10 күн бұрын

Ever hear of a bike lane?

@Hawthorneheights888

10 күн бұрын

They’re called ✨bike lanes✨ if you and the other cyclists care so much then petition the city, especially if you live in a city that wasn’t originally built for bicycle traffic. I’ve seen an accident caused by a cyclist who was on a curvy 45 mph road and a driver had to come to a screeching halt behind him. They really have no place in sidewalks, as they are full of strollers and pets and need to be clear for wheelchairs. This lady was dead wrong but the incident would have been prevented with a proper bike lane. The city is washing their hands of responsibility by charging a mentally ill person.

@reggie1847

10 күн бұрын

@@Hawthorneheights888 You must live in fantasy, those Bike lanes are even more dangerous, Cars treat bikers just as bad as motorcycles.

Those on here defending Auriol by saying 'it's illegal to ride on the pavement' may technically be correct. However, it's also illegal to protest in the middle of the road, but drivers can't just mow them down, can they?

@RoyalFlush7096

8 күн бұрын

👍🏼👍🏼

@mrstatictunes

6 күн бұрын

They can in Texas

@matthewgibbs6886

6 күн бұрын

@@mrstatictunes and florida it encouraged

@eveapple4928

5 күн бұрын

That’s an interesting point. However the vulnerable road user definition within the highway code flexes with the mode of transport. So a person on foot only will always be the most vulnerable, then cyclists, horse riders, motorcyclists etc then car and other vehicle drivers. There’s a clear heirarchy of who must give way or give priority to who. Your protestors on the street always enjoy protection as inherently vulnerable road users, but in the Grey case, Grey was the vulnerable pedestrian to the cyclist who should not have been, for that very reason, travelling within the space of a pedestrian because of the risk of harm she could have done to people on foot. If Grey had stepped out into the road, she would have had automatic right of way over car drivers as a more vulnerable road user. Hope that makes sense.

@thevalorousdong7675

4 күн бұрын

Actually, they can. After 'protesters' started dragging people out of their cars and beating them, florida and texas made yall speedbumps

People often say, he/she/they will have to "live with that for the rest of their lives". A silly auto response, given so many ppl today, can careless of others. She went grocery shopping afterwards, didn't stay around, didn't try to help, didn't care. So "she" will have little to no problems the rest of her life!

@mjowsey

15 күн бұрын

I thought that when he said it. We have no way of knowing what's going on in Auriel's mind.

@AellaMaude-oy9qn

15 күн бұрын

He also said she had cognitive impairment so how can we assume she makes reasonable decisions?

@mr.sinister9035

15 күн бұрын

depends on the person

@noBody-ue6cs

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, she immediately went on living with that act in her life to the groceries immediately afterwards.

@Pulapaws

14 күн бұрын

She care when the day comes where she in a government nursing home where they just as careless as she is. Glad she served time in jail even though it wasn’t the full sentence.

The pedestrian made deliberate contact with the cyclist. As a result of that, the cyclist rode off the sidewalk and crashed into the street where she was hit by a motor vehicle and died on the scene. Meanwhile the pedestrian simply walked away. The pedestrian caused the unnecessary death.

@darthmcgee2216

16 күн бұрын

The cyclist could have stopped or swerved away from traffic and been on her way. Aggressive finger wagging!

@oceana3070

16 күн бұрын

@@darthmcgee2216Could she? Evidently not.

@skyhawk_4526

16 күн бұрын

The video is clear in showing the cyclist lost her balance and fell into the road prior to the pedestrian making physical contact with her. I'm not defending the pedestrian, who I do believe at least contributed to the cyclist's death, but to suggest that the physical contact is why the cyclist fell is simply false and contradictory to the video footage.

@jamesflames6987

16 күн бұрын

Nice theory. But even the prosecution didn't consider the contact relevant. And very unclear if it was deliberate.

@MrKanilammit

16 күн бұрын

@@skyhawk_4526 It is truly remarkable, the people claiming the cyclist was "pushed," or the pedestrian "walked into" the cyclists path. The video apparently means nothing to them. One wonders how the human brain works sometimes, and God save us if they ever get called as a juror.

She was "flinching" out long before the lady came close to her, and then she left the scene when the victim was hit.

@Oakleaf700

9 күн бұрын

Grey is a cold hearted horrible woman with aggression issues.

@stephenkalatucka6213

Күн бұрын

At least she didn't do a celebratory "end zone dance," but probably had a sense of accomplishment.

@Oakleaf700

Күн бұрын

@@stephenkalatucka6213 The horrible old goat looked like she was feeding chickens {scattering grain} in the run up to the push.

Under English law, a person is guilty of involuntary manslaughter when he or she intends an unlawful act that is likely to do harm to the person, and death results which was neither foreseen nor intended. Assault covers a range of actions, from using threatening words to a severe physical attack that leaves the victim permanently disabled. 0:30

When my mother was alive in her last two years I lived with her. She was a horrible person and she felt she had to be the sickest person anywhere (but she would spend her days gambling or shopping). One day I took her grocery shopping and at the store there was another old woman who was using a walker. As we went through the store she obsessively bitched about what a show that woman with the walker was putting on for others and how she (my mother) had way worse health than her. Later as we passed the old woman who was looking at hot dogs my mother (who was now about 25 feet away from me) walked up behind her and without warning lunged forward and checked her right in the back forcing her to faceplant into the hot dog sections. She said "excuse me" and then walked off with a smile. The old woman didn't appear to be hurt (was immediately helped up) and we walked off. Just another in a long line of psychopathic busts of evil that she unleashed over her life. It doesn't surprise me at all that this horrible old woman thought nothing about killing a vulnerable victim. Who knows how many deaths attributed as accidents or unknown causes each one of these evil people wrack up in their lifetime. How a person does one thing is how they do everything. I doubt she killed just once.

@jamieabele9239

16 күн бұрын

Too few of us are mindful that our actions impact others. Some of us don’t care. Sorry about your life with a difficult mother.

@Alaryicjude

16 күн бұрын

So sorry you know people CAN truly be evil from such personal experience. Keep sharing your story though. I think it's important for the people trying to distance themselves from reality. Sending 💓

@db44491

15 күн бұрын

So sorry to hear you had a mother like that, seems like you are a good person, i wish you well..

@j3suisd3

15 күн бұрын

Thanks Dan, i really enjoyed your story !! Which is probably why i am on this channel. Also i am truly relieved hotdog lady was ok 😁

@carpathianken

15 күн бұрын

My sister works in a nursing home & she says that dementia type symptoms make a persons personality go to the opposite. So the once kind & benevolent person turns into a bitchy witch that the family members are shocked seeing because he never showered malevolence in their lives ever

it's so tragic. imagine choosing to ride on the sidewalk to avoid being hit by a car, only to end up being hit by a car because you rode on the sidewalk.

@isaudy

16 күн бұрын

Murphy’s law

@johndrake3472

16 күн бұрын

Bikes aren't supposed to be on sidewalks. If you can't ride on the street, then you shouldn't be riding at all.

@Notthecobracommander

16 күн бұрын

I agree this is a very challenging case. I believe she acted inappropriately however I do think accusing her of manslaughter is a stretch. You are correct as a former UK resident I can testify that there is a big feud between cyclist and pedestrians.

@ChristelVinot

16 күн бұрын

@@johndrake3472 it's not that cyclists can't ride in the street. it's that they might die in the street. lol. safety trumps law.

@darthkek1953

16 күн бұрын

It's called a "pavement" and it is not legal to cycle on in the UK.

If you look at Auriol's back in the last frame she's visible, it looks like she actually turned towards the bicyclist and leaned towards the roadway. I think she actually pushed her and therefore deliberately caused her death.

Not only did she cause a life to end with no remorse, but the woman driving the car said she suffers from ptsd and will have life long mental health problems due to having been the person to collide with Celia.

@shamancredible8632

14 күн бұрын

No. Bike rider ended her own life by choosing to ride on the sidewalk. And to use your own logic against you, it's illegal to ride on the sidewalks for the same reason it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt or not wear a helmet on motorcycles. You're essentially saying it's illegal to walk on a sidewalk while a bike is coming at you. You have no brain.

Auriol stated in an interview that she “touched her” … so she actually made contact with the bicyclist causing her to fall into the road. Any rational person on the sidewalk would self-preserve and move to the side if they really felt a threat. But I guess you just don’t know who’s missing a portion of their brain.

@letsgobrandon6281

17 күн бұрын

Not. She said she may have touched her with fingertips. Either way, stay off the sidewalk while riding a bike

@daphnejackson841

17 күн бұрын

Exactly

@goblin-night

17 күн бұрын

That's a lie. Her fingers touching the victim did not cause her to fall, she would have fallen exactly the same if Auriol's fingers hadn't have touched while she was doing "move aside" gestures. The prosecutor's wording is crafted to be misleading as hell, and to make Auriol sound as awful as possible so people will even think of their own way to interpret in his favour. Dr Grande included a few of the prosecutor's doosies, he basically treated it like a "manipulate the jury" challenge to get a conviction on a technicality. It's not for nothing that Auriol's appeal succeeded and that the prosecutor was also outright denied the chance to retry the case at all.

@whosaidthat9265

17 күн бұрын

If someone can cause you to fall into traffic with a fingertip you shouldn’t be riding a bike. Sorry. That’s ridiculous

@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353

17 күн бұрын

I got the impression that her shouting "get off the fu$#ing pavement and waving her hand intimidated Cecilia that Aureila was going to maybe strike her - causing her to lose balance and fall.

I was in Aurea’s corner until she left the scene. That is horrific to me. To leave a woman hit by a car in the street right next to you is callous beyond belief.

@ChristophProbst

17 күн бұрын

I felt this way too, but I think technically, she didn't commit a crime. She seems like a terrible person, but I don't think she's a criminal.

@rumchata6569

16 күн бұрын

Her heartless decision to leave is irrelevant to the accident and shouldn’t be a factor. The fact is the old lady fell because she had terrible balance and made poor decisions. She could have slowed down. Come to a complete stop. Gotten off her bike and walk. Turn around. Ride on the street. Aureas actions would not cause a healthy biker to fall onto the street. A healthy biker would have also made the right choices to not be in a position where they could become unbalanced and fall. This is a classic woman moment of “look what you made me do”. Zero accountability for making the wrong choices and having bad balance. Cars are expected to be mindful of bikers on the street. And bikers are expected to be mindful of pedestrians on sidewalks. It’s not Aurea’s fault the old lady overreacted to the hand gestures. And if the hand gestures were to bad, why did she not stop sooner. Aurea’s only found guilty because she was a rude person. But she’s entitled to be rude it’s her god given right damnit 😤 🇺🇸

@amandajolu

16 күн бұрын

​@@rumchata6569 I agree to a point but she stayed in the cyclist's path on purpose and waved her hand at her, as if to push her away, knowing there was traffic just on the other side of her. That makes her partly responsible for the cyclist falling over into traffic. Yes, the cyclist should've stopped after seeing how crazy the pedestrian was behaving but maybe she thought she could get around her.

@SoundsBogus

16 күн бұрын

It was a power trip, or in this case a power push. With a duping delight grin, the perp then went shopping. Somebody paid for her life of Misery.

@evonne315

16 күн бұрын

Zero understanding for any accident or struggle the woman on the bike may have been having with her bike? Its like a car pulling over for a problem and someone being able to kick it back into traffic.

My dream is to someday be featured in one of these videos narrated by this calm, pleasant gentleman. 🙏

Crazy how a rule/law/ordinance can make people so inhumane or so entitled that life is lost.

To clarify, in the UK, it is illegal to cycle on the pavement. However, in practice, the law isn't typically enforced. In my opinion, we should show some patience and kindness, especially to more vulnerable cyclists such as the old or the very young.

@pariacanyon

17 күн бұрын

Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835 states that bikes are legally allowed to be ridden on the sidewalk/pavement in the UK.

@iciajay6891

17 күн бұрын

Were I live in Canada, it is ilegal for anyone over 18 to ride a bike on a sidewalk. For example, I was walking by my local library, and a man who was in his 30-40 was ridding a bike one handed on the sidealk and using his phone with the other. He was bikeing directly towards a woman with a newborn in a carage. I jumped in, and the guy hit me with his bike wheel a few feet infort of the woman. If i was not so furious, I would have got his details to report him. But i was just happy the baby was safe. He, under my local laws, could be charged with a few crimes. Assult ans battery being some. I have knowticed that it is 90% men who are obviously over 18 on the sidewalks in my town. And cuaseing the issues I see. (I walk a lot). Inthink we should have plates on bikes like with cars. To report issues. My town also y many bike lanes not part of the road and places for bike ridders. So there is no excuse.

@upstateshenanigans430

17 күн бұрын

I don't like the idea of bikes on sidewalks but I really don't like the idea of children and seniors riding in the road, especially a road like this with no shoulders.

@neilpook3719

17 күн бұрын

It is fully legal for, in the UK children to ride on the pavement up to the age of 10. No other age concessions are available. So a new law for OAP cyclists would be a great idea. In this case, the police could not clarify whether that particular stretch of pavement was a shared use cycle/foot path or not. Of course, if it wasn't then it would've added some weight to the argument. I'm presuming that there may have been some sparsely positioned signage. Probably in such a way that it is difficult to determine where it starts and finishes'. that pavement would've been adequate, by the width. I've seen some shared use paths where it was difficult to even walk past somebody so cycling was impossible to do safely.

@EvenBigger-Brother

17 күн бұрын

@@pariacanyon Whoopsie daisy . "Cycling on the footway in England and Wales is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888."

Do a video about Samuel Landis, the DEA agent that intentionally ran a stop sign. He hit Marganne Allen, 53, a married mom on her bicycle, and he now wants police immunity. He said he was late and needed to catch up with the DEA surveillance team.

@carpathianken

16 күн бұрын

Now you're talking. I hope Dr.Grande does heed your suggestion. I couldn't think of a better case video topic for him to do & analyse. Personally, I'm equally torn by mixed feeling of knowing how important it is for the DEA to move efficiently on fresh evidence because it can literally mean months of work down the drain if they don't act before that fleeting window of opportunity closes & the suspect weasels out of it, but I also believe in driving standards & putting the general publics safety & health in jeopardy , especially in this day & age of having the many high tech communication options right at their finger tips , just to rendezvous with colleagues is unacceptable.

@audreyquinn73

15 күн бұрын

As a cyclist who cannot drive, people seem to forget that the person on the bike is a person with family, friends, hopes, and dreams. Every day, before I get onto my bike, I say a prayer that I will make it home alive. Every day. I'm 51 years old, and in 2008, I nearly lost my right leg in a hit-and-run, but I was very lucky, and with physio, I got back on that bike. I love cycling, and I hope to cycle for another 25 years. I do hope that drivers learn to see to the person on the bike before being annoyed by the inconvenience of sharing the road with a bike. In fairness, if there were more people cycling, drivers might be more comfortable and considerate to people on bikes.

@RullXov

15 күн бұрын

@@carpathianken Ya, there was no imminent danger to the agents, so no reason to drive recklessly. He should go to prison, just like any citizen would. He also should be fired.

@kevinscott4081

15 күн бұрын

@@RullXov 👍👍

@pinkdiamond1847

15 күн бұрын

The difference is he ran a red light which is actually against the law. In the UK it's against the law cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) But it's not really against the law to wave your arms around however The argument is that her actions directly led to the cyclists death even if those actions by themselves are not illegal and even though the cyclist was legally in the wrong to begin with. That's why it's more complicated here.

Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative and entertaining video. ❤❤

I would just like to add that this is a great story that a lot of us might have a chance to benefit from knowing about. thank you for a story which may help anyone who reads it to make better choices when the opportunity presents itself in our lives.

I hate cases like this. Neither party was without fault and now a person is dead. Also spare a thought for the driver of the car. Such a tragic accident.

@rosec6680

17 күн бұрын

She could see the cars coming, she's not that incapacitated if she is out walking. Cold and callous to leave and go shopping. Poor driver. She affected the life of two others with her madness.

@sighthoundlady15

17 күн бұрын

@@rosec6680 my thought is either way she’s dangerous right? Either maliciously or due to her mental incapacity, the result was the same, someone died. What else will she “accidentally” do roaming free in public?

@baldisaerodynamic9692

17 күн бұрын

yea, and that driver has to pay for it too, im sure no one else had insurance.

@brick6347

17 күн бұрын

It's a shared space. Legally. Celia was well within her rights to cycle there.

@eightw5783

17 күн бұрын

Best comment here.

That's a difficult one. Personally I think that, while she does live on her own, it doesn't mean she's capable of living on her own and without care. Very often, people with disabilities live on their own just because there is no care available or nobody wants to be the carer. And then things like this happen and people say she's fully responsible because she was living on her own, so that means she can be judged like anybody else. She clearly is a lot to put up with and a danger for the community around her and should not be left on her own like this. Not for her own and certainly not for communities sake. I've seen several people that are left without care despite disabilities and that are abrasive and exhausting. One lady walking around my workplace frequently accuses all of my male colleagues of being rapists, walks into a nursery and makes a fuss because nobody is considerate about her childlessness and she is blacklisted in all shops around. 😕

There are many people who need a high level of supervision.

Some cyclists get aggressive with pedestrians I have often ended up walking in the road to avoid them.

Being angry at someone for one moment in time should not end in that person's death. That person is someone's parent, sibling, child, spouse, etc. I feel so bad for the family and loved ones of Celia. RiP

@langleywallingford260

17 күн бұрын

"should not end that person's life" is what you meant to say, or "should not have resulted in a person's death".

@feleciaclemons5074

17 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure sure she said what she meant. Doesn't your comment end with the same conclusion?​@@langleywallingford260

@OccultDemonCassette

17 күн бұрын

I don't understand how her being mad at the woman and waving her hands caused her death, though? The cyclist should have stopped and turned around or gone around her. Why would she continue barreling her bicycle towards a pedestrian? Doesn't make any logical sense.

@Felbicky1

16 күн бұрын

@@langleywallingford260oh nice 👍

@jamesflames6987

16 күн бұрын

"Should not". But it still might. Have you never lost your temper?

Whatever happened to “love your neighbor as yourself”? All these two women needed to do was say “good morning” and be on their way.

@larrydaniels6532

16 күн бұрын

The officials released an incompetent person into an unknowing public, the death of a beloved wife, sister, aunt, grandmother, friend, neighbor was the result.

@osirismaximus2787

15 күн бұрын

Right??

@htmc2022

15 күн бұрын

Cyclist was endangering herself and everyone on the pavement (sidewalk). You should be able to walk safely on a sidewalk without any kind of vehicle coming at you.

@JustAnotherConspiracyTheorist

15 күн бұрын

​@@htmc2022please explain how a bicycle was going to hurt a pedestrian in a 7 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK! Are you stupid?, or just selfish like the old lady in this video? She pushed her into traffic and then went grocery shopping!

@osirismaximus2787

15 күн бұрын

@htmc2022 I respectfully disagree that riding a bike on a sidewalk is wrong. Children ride their bikes on sidewalks. Should they be forced into the street and put in danger so that people can walk "safely"? Gotta think about it from all angles.

The sidewalks are not bike lanes. In the city we have to deal with this sh*t constantly. They even ride motor vehicles on sidewalks now. Mopeds, scooters, pretty much anything with 2 wheels comes racing by pedestrians. Most cities have yet to resolve this issue. In this case the cyclist was at fault. She should have been traveling at a speed she could control and given way to the pedestrian. The fact she could not control the bike tells me she was going too fast and that she expected the pedestrian to walk out into the street reveals the entitlement of cyclists in general.

I believe this IS manslaughter amd here's why- If Celia was not killed by this horrible tragedy, it would have resulted in Auriol being criminally charged anyway. I think a jury would have easily convicted on the lesser crime, but struggled with the much greater charge of manslaughter for the wrong reasons. It was judicially sound.

I don't know about the situation in the US, but here in the UK, cyclists riding on pavements (the sidewalks) are a real problem. Electric bikes/scooters have made this problem even worse due to their high speeds.

@danielcalderwood6674

14 күн бұрын

A big part of the problem is the non enforcement of the law against vehicles being ridden on the footway.

@alisonwilson9749

14 күн бұрын

I think it's the speeds that's the real problem on shared paths. IIRC there is, or was, a limit IIRC on shared paths of 12mph. I don't use them because I usually go as fast as that or faster. Personally I stick to roads, in the UK even most cycle paths/lanes where pedestrians are not supposed to go are crap- full of glass, and dangerous at junctions- and often pedestrians wandering in and out of them. And don't get me started about pedestrians walking dogs off lead or on long leads on cycle tracks, they're lethal.

@danap472

12 күн бұрын

Funnily enough in the U.S. it’s the opposite- you’re supposed to remain on the pavement as much as possible with as little interaction on the road as possible (non designated bike lane roads, however when designated you’re meant to use) and you’re supposed to come to a complete stop or veer entirely off onto the grass when a pedestrian is on the same path.

@michaelwaninger3155

10 күн бұрын

Yes it is the same here. The cyclists don't want to go in the road because it is so dangerous (and it is) for various reasons. One of which is cars are angry the slower bikes are in their way. So the cyclists go on the sidewalk and then they treat the pedestrians on the sidewalk same as the motorists treat them. Living in the city it is not uncommon to have a bike fly by you from behind that you are completely unaware of. They know that if you stepped to the side(not knowing they were coming) they would crash into you and they don't care. You are in there way. There is no communal connection anymore. The propaganda from the media has created all these fake communities and pitted them against each other. The black community gay, feminist, liberal,...People are just too stupid. Just think of how stupid the average person is and realize half the people are stupider than that. George Carlin.

@granthropologist3622

8 күн бұрын

I’m disabled and move very slowly; walking is painful. In the last decade I’ve had four pavement cyclists collide with me and then hurl abuse at me for being in their way. This is a terrifying barrier to leaving my home.

That’s a tough one. I teach my kids to ride on the sidewalk when no bike lane. But, to yield to pedestrians and just get off and walk it if there’s a confrontation.

@marlenestewart7442

17 күн бұрын

Children riding for play is a horse of a different color than adults riding.

@jennyhaslayer1396

17 күн бұрын

​@@marlenestewart7442 no one said it was for play, children have to get places too. Always ride on the sidewalk when it is not safe to ride on the road, adult or no, playing or no.

@eddysgaming9868

17 күн бұрын

This is my understanding.

@AntimatterBeam8954

17 күн бұрын

It's against the law to cycle on a pavement in the UK as far as I know from living in London. If you ask me I feel funny about that law given how dangerous the roads can be for cyclists especially less confident ones. Edit: Yeah I checked, it's backed by the Highway Act 1835 and it's under Highway Code Rule 64 In my personal experience, people don't care quite often. It's not a major law and police usually just say get off the pavement, you aren't allowed to cycle there. So one will definitely see people breaking this one regularly. Also it's not a severely publicised law either.

@rosep8481

17 күн бұрын

It is actually illegal in many cities and counties to ride on sidewalks

She was from a wealthy family , but lived on welfare ? There are a lot of things that contributed to the death .

She pushed her in front of the car, you can see her foot come up as she turns and changes her center of balance. This lady needs to be in prison and not on the streets.

Glad you kept the snark out of this one. Sad case all around. The perpetrator’s mental disability factors in, in a big way, to her ability to foresee the consequences of her actions.

@user-kl8lo6rj5i

17 күн бұрын

A disabled person should not have her safety threatened by a cyclist. Cyclists can cause injury to someone on foot, and need to choose the safety of others over their own arrogance. That said, Auriel could also have gotten off to the side to avoid getting hit. All very sad. I missed the snark factor tbh.

@stonedcyclist6392

17 күн бұрын

@user-kl8lo6rj5i stop defending murderous Karens

@spazmonkey3815

17 күн бұрын

I also wonder if her great visual distortion and social isolation contributed to this event. I may be wrong but people can survive 1/2 of their brain removed due to epilepsy treatment (or functionally, stroke),but when 1/2 of the visual field is wiped out so does 1/2 of their universe. This has been proven when patients of this sort draw a portrait of someone, they only draw half of a face . To them the other half doesn't exist. This is a tremendous disability, and may have contributed to her fear of the bicycle.

@iffyangel3380

17 күн бұрын

She wasn't too disabled to LIE to police, leave the scene and own the sidewalk!

@user-lj4xs4gn8u

16 күн бұрын

I like his snark, in other videos. He knows when to use it. I love his dry humour.

As a cyclist I always had to complain about car drivers. And now I am into walking. Some cyclist are rude with pedestrians, as if they were car drivers. The human being 😢

@skyhawk_4526

16 күн бұрын

Yes. Too many people are just plain rude and inconsiderate whether they are walking, riding or driving.

@Alaryicjude

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, humanity is 🚮.

@Zeepjeliefs

15 күн бұрын

I always ride my bike on the sidewalk to be honest, near my house. But I ride really slowly and give all walking people way. And if it's busy I walk besides my bike. It's just a very big shortcut. But where I live people are really tolerant and we look out for each other.

@mjowsey

15 күн бұрын

The thing is it's only 1 in a 100 that are aholes and cause all the problems. Most People live and let live and go on thier way.

@josephj6521

15 күн бұрын

@@Zeepjeliefsyou’re a great role model. I see so many cyclist abuse me to get out of their way whilst I walk on a footpath. But in this video, I truly feel awful for this particular cyclist.

I sincerely believe she pushed her, not simply just touched her with her fingers. She absolutely pushed that lady

That woman did not take evasive action. That woman was pushed towards traffic.

Cyclists aren't just a danger to pedestrians, they also often violate motor vehicle's right of way too. People seem to believe they're in some law free zone when they get on a bike... Funny thing is it's not the kids doing this crap either, it's adults, and usually the older the more obtuse they are to traffic laws.

@mrn8645

13 күн бұрын

''motor vehicle's right of way'' - you just made that up.

I agree with your opinion 100% on this one. The only victims here were the older biker & the car driver.

@christopherfitzgerald774

13 күн бұрын

Even though riding a bicycle is AGAINST THE LAW AND A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS ? After all, pedestrians are not permitted to walk in the centre of the road are they? However, the "Entitled ones" such as cyclists think they can do no wrong don't they.....

@hahna77

9 күн бұрын

​@@christopherfitzgerald774 if it was a child that she pushed into the road would you have the same opinion & defense?

@christopherfitzgerald774

9 күн бұрын

@@hahna77 Hypotheticals are of no use in this discussion as no-one knows what the lady would have thought or done in any situation except the one that occurred, so stop trying to muddy the waters.

Have just viewed the security camera footage on other websites- shows a little more camera angle - Auriol pivots body to push woman on bicycle into traffic. A danger to society ! ;(

and what exactly is her crime? gesturing and telling someone to get off the sidewalk with her bike? If she didn't make physical contact with the bike rider, I see no crime here. If there's a DA trying to take this to trial, they need to be fired. It's an accident where a woman lost her balance and fell into the road.

Oh my goodness I couldn’t believe you actually looked at a case which is 30 minutes from me here in uk!! Thank you dr grande

@vivaciousom5347

16 күн бұрын

What do the locals think?

People with this type of conditions are MASSIVELY bullied all throughout their lives. They are always on the defensive. Sad story

@itchynackers

14 күн бұрын

its not defense when you make the contact, and dont attempt to defensively move out of the way. you never played sports did you? if you had, youd know the difference between offense and defense.

@nigefal

13 күн бұрын

Not completely true. The more successful people with the condition (CP) adapt. Those less successful go around with a chip on their shoulder.

Gotta love Dr. Grande!

Looks like she deliberately moved into the rider’s path to make contact. She was the aggressor. Very selfish to purposely put the rider in danger and never try to make room.

I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so. Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.

I'm a cyclist. Never ride a bicycle on a pedestrian sidewalk, unless there is specific signage allowing it. Never ride a bicycle across a crosswalk. Either walk the bicycle or ride on the road.

@adrianmizen5070

16 күн бұрын

Good advice, but that doesn't justify a pedestrian pushing a cyclist into traffic

@gavinjenkins899

16 күн бұрын

@@adrianmizen5070 1) Yes it does if you're pushing them out of the way of crashing into you while they're illegally on the pavement riding into you, 2) Nobody pushed anyone here anyway. So both wrong and irrelevant.

@thecatblaster5181

16 күн бұрын

@@gavinjenkins899 we found the Volkswagen driver--it must be you

@Como651

16 күн бұрын

As a cyclist you must know drivers don’t care about your legal right or duty to ride on the road. They will swear at you and tell you to get on the sidewalk and drive you off the road. That street looked way too dangerous for any old lady to be riding her bicycle on regardless of what the law says. The problem is people are selfish and lack comparison and common sense. She could have easily moved to the side to allow the bike by and not hide behind the law to act like a bully.

@shaung1719

16 күн бұрын

In many parts of the world it is permitted to ride on the sidewalk and often recommended.

There are lots of stories from the U.K. with similar outcomes. There doesn’t seem to be justice in the U.K. The woman intentionally acting aggressively and caused to death of another person and was sentenced to 3 years! A human life in the U.K. is worth 3 years. Shameful.

As a caretaker of 2 profoundly Autistic sisters, I can empathize with Auriol Grey. I have often seen my sisters "misinterpret" situations and actions by others. Their version of events is often exaggerated in comparison with my own. I have had one of them panic at "almost getting hit" in parking lots, when a vehicle passes closer than normal, even though I always maintain my place as the traffic-facing walker. I have not even noticed the car when one of them grabs my arm and exclaims, "I almost got hit!" My point being that perception is so very individual, that I would find it difficult to adjudicate such a case. As a driver, rider and traffic observer; I can also very much understand what happened to Ms. Celia, God rest her Soul. As a rider of two-wheeled vehicles, I can speak personally to not understanding what people may be thinking when they are interacting with me. Not wanting trouble seems that it would have been the cause of her reaction as she veered away, only to be met with a lightpole that seems to have gone unnoticed by the Crown and Ms. Grey. The angle does not make my analysis exact, but I have been in similar situations. Celia goes to make sure that she avoids Auriol, suddenly realizes her trajectory to the pole and instinctively continues turning right. Tragedy is the only thing that's left to happen. Years of experience for me (including 5 years in law enforcement) have given me the instinct to let things happen. Maintain your lane and perhaps you will live to tell your side of the story. But that's not in everyone's nature. I know this because I have to fight that very instinct on several occasions. I don't want to hurt anyone, anywhere at any time. However, I don't want to die alone in the woods after being cut off by someone who is pissed off with my existence. I'm sure that Celia would have made a different choice if she had known the outcome beforehand. (I guess? Maybe?). With all that said (tl:dr). I would have supported the conviction, due to the contact made, which probably did not convince Celia that she was doing the right thing. I would however, have recommended some sort of suspended sentence in lieu of mental health treatment and study. I am fully aware of how dangerous mental disability can be if not acknowledged and treated. Getting to the bottom of Auriol's issues can likely prevent something similar happening again; with her or someone else. That's my long story and I'm sticking to it. :) Very interesting case. Thanks Doc! 👍

I’m a mental health social worker and I work with many people with disabilities who are angry at the world and often attack others due to their antisocial attitudes. They should be held accountable. They most often know right from wrong, and they need others to work to earn the taxes used for their care and activities they participate in daily. Everyone has their problems, but to them, theirs are the only ones that matter. We can’t eliminate disabilities, but their lifestyles are better than ever, so these sorts of people need to be less angry at others and it shouldn’t be tolerated.

@skyhawk_4526

16 күн бұрын

This is a great point that a lot of people fail to understand. I'm in law enforcement and have been for about 25 years. I also deal with mentally ill individuals on a daily basis. As you said, nearly all mentally ill people do know the difference between right and wrong and act accordingly, knowing the consequences for criminal behavior. When these people commit crimes, they nearly always know what they are doing is wrong and will result in harm and arrest. High levels of psychosis will override this, but it's actually rare in the grand scheme of things as most people with a diagnosed mental disorder do not actually engage in behaviors that physically harm others because they can appreciate that such actions are harmful in the same way that people without a mental disorder can do so. Plenty of mentally ill people commit crimes, but to excuse the crime by virtue of the defendant's mental illness diagnosis is often defense lawyer propaganda to deceive the courts. I know this by talking to mentally ill suspects after they have committed crimes. Most of the time, they admit knowing their actions were unlawful and therefore wrong. It's only in maybe 1 in 100 cases where a mentally ill person is so psychotic that they truly cannot understand the wrongfulness of their actions. (The same is true for children who commit serious crimes.)

@larrydaniels6532

16 күн бұрын

It is a conundrum, the right of the mentally ill to exist in our society and the right to expect adult decisions from adults.

@danielcalderwood6674

14 күн бұрын

She's neurologically impaired due to having half her brain removed, not to mention having cerebral palsy. Mental illness is something else entirely.

@tk80mufa5

2 күн бұрын

Finally two great comments in a row ! 👍👍 Sad that we have to live in countries run by judges , lawyers , psychiatrists , psychologists who run cover for criminals.

I have 2 friends that had strokes and it completely changed their personalities 1 had always been a very helpful person before that was always there for everyone in their time of need to being a very combative and only sees things from what’s best for him, it’s very frustrating to everyone around him including his wife that has been considering divorce The other one has become the complete opposite of this that is always there for everyone Head injuries are very hard for everyone involved

@FifiR3

15 күн бұрын

So true❤

@airgin3000

Күн бұрын

Ryan == could you repeat and explain the second scenario? What happened to the second person ? Did you say that they ACTUALLY BECAME ALTRUISTIC?

I can't take it anymore with these one liners!😂😂😂 I'm still stuck on a few videos back when the HAT WAS STRETCHED TO THE MAX!

Good analysis, Dr. G. Sad case.

This woman was disabled enough to live alone, argue with many people and curse at her elder. Don’t care, think she should have done more time and maybe she’d learn some manners. Poor lady that died and her family

@joan-lisa-smith

17 күн бұрын

Yes and normally I hate when people are riding on the sidewalk however when I see an older person do it I have enough sense to understand that they are doing so as it's safer. She may have been disabled but the victim was elderly. That woman is just miserable.

@sparklemotion8377

17 күн бұрын

Manners?

@stevenblackwood6097

17 күн бұрын

Surprised that more attention wasn’t paid the cerebral palsy of the perp. Sure she was able to live on her own but people with CP face their own mobility challenges. Grande did do a good job of balancing the case. Thus is a tragedy all around. The cyclist lost her life and the perp lost over a year in prison before he condition was reversed.

@TheDramacist

17 күн бұрын

Agree, she lived a life of privilege, of getting her way. Even the jury were afraid they'd be seen as unsympathetic towards the mentally disabled. I'm sure Areal knew this too and tried to milk it. Eventually they gave in! Disgusting. She needs to be in prison. We can't let the public believe that a disability gives you a golden pass to behave however you want and to police other people!

@joan-lisa-smith

17 күн бұрын

@@stevenblackwood6097 CP does not cause one to be a bully tho, which she has a history of with others in the area. I feel there could have been 20 feet between them and she still would have been yelling and cursing, it's unfortunate she was close enough to try and push her off her bike. I do agree with the mobility issues but the cyclist had some as well, hence why she was puttering slowly on the sidewalk rather than risk the road. The deciding factor for me in this is how she arrogantly went off shopping without checking on the woman or offering help....that is entitlement and cruelty and shows her nature and it wasn't due to her feeling scared because of mobility issues.

this is one of the most heartbreaking incidences i have ever come across.

Genuinely curious: If you were walking on a bridge and a stranger suddenly told you to jump and you decided to to so, would that constitute manslaughter? Just because someone yells at you angrily and tell you to do something it doesn't mean you are compelled to obey, and if there is an obvious risk involved, like jumping off a bridge or veering your bike into the roadway unsafely, can the person yelling and gesticulating really be blamed for it? There is no expectation that the cyclist should obey, like there would be an expectation to obey a traffic cop. Even if you were a bitter and mean spirited individual and told a cyclist to get off the sidewalk you still wouldn't reasonably expect them to act in an unsafe manner. Now if the woman in question pushed or touched the cyclist or diverted from her expected path in order to obstruct the cyclist to force them off the road then that I think would be manslaughter

He says I'm not diagnosing then always go on to diagnose haha love it Dr big.

Extraordinary how many people seem completely unable to distinguish between "I don't like this person" and "this person violated the law".

@johnwilloug2717

16 күн бұрын

I think there's quite a bit of 'I don't like this person who clearly violated the law' TBH, and that's taking away from the sympathy that might have helped with the debate of intent....

@dannylad1600

16 күн бұрын

Pushing old ladies into oncoming traffic is in fact violating the law here in the UK believe it or not.

@Devi_Seona

15 күн бұрын

Hum isn’t killing someone violating the law where you live? Do you think that she didn’t know that making her fall in the traffic would probably kill her?…

@elsajones6325

15 күн бұрын

@@Devi_Seona it seems that this person is not capable of knowing the difference. That's why she continued on her way, having no clue what she'd caused

@jaymike3302

15 күн бұрын

A 77-year-old woman shouldn't be riding a bike near traffic. But Auriol is a mean nasty person.

There was ample room for her to move to her right. She caused the death of that woman and should have been charged.

@JAMessinaJr

15 күн бұрын

Was there ample room? In the video, it appeared they met at a narrower portion of the walkway due to a post (lamp post?).

@karl-niclasburner8451

15 күн бұрын

She def sought for a confrontation and conflict. If I fear being hit by a bicycle, i will def not step infront of it.

@PaulStevens-se9lc

14 күн бұрын

A: a pedestrian has right of way and does not need to move to the side. B: cycling on the sidewalk is illegal in London so she shouldnt have been there in the first place.

@Fuzzira

14 күн бұрын

@@PaulStevens-se9lc Sleeping on the streets is also illegal in Britain so I guess I can shove the homeless into traffic as well then?

@carpathianken

13 күн бұрын

@@Fuzzira You make a good point. Sidewalks are more than 7 feet wide, that pedestrian could have easily side stepped to let the cyclist past but, no she had to do the homicidal dog act & force the cyclist to her death

She is obviously guilty. Waving someone off into traffic causing death is murder.

@Endoscopic911

10 күн бұрын

You can wave all day it doesn't mean you have to adhere to the request. She could have easily went to the other side of the sidewalk as well.

Looks similar to pushing her into a train, in this case into traffic that Auriol saw coming and the victim did not.

@mjowsey

13 күн бұрын

do you mean in front of a train?

@bewell6019

13 күн бұрын

@@mjowsey yes, like right as it's arriving. so into the front part of the train.

Son of a senior British judge here. In my father's view, some cases are simply evenly balanced. This is probably why the first jury was hung. That's life I'm afraid - the law isn't always cut and dried.

@bobdadnaila7708

17 күн бұрын

True that.

@whosaidthat9265

17 күн бұрын

The odd part is I have murders granted what I think is called diminished responsibility in the UK and receive ridiculously light sentences. How was this woman not granted that to begin with considering her mental disability

@kknn523

17 күн бұрын

Seems like it's the biker's fault for not driving safely. Pedestrian was quite an idiot, but, it's the biker that was going too fast.

@JaMeshuggah

17 күн бұрын

British law at least

@TheDramacist

17 күн бұрын

It wasnt even though, was it? I work with learning disability residents and they still understand right from wrong. They know aggression is negative. They know not to threaten people verbally or physically. Murder wasnt the intent, but to harass and bully certainly was

As a physician, I was struck by the extent of this woman's disability. She had poor vision along with impaired emotional and physical functioning due to her brain surgery. Her behavior can be explained by her disability and should have been taken into account by the court. I am surprised Dr Grande did not mention this in his analysis.

@brianduffy1338

15 күн бұрын

(Joan here). Same surprise here. I was actually going to make this comment. Plus her own experiences in the past with scooters on the sidewalk and bullying and the like - she would have been "informed" by these experiences and been primed accordingly.

@bobl703

15 күн бұрын

I thought the exact same things and I'm not even a physician. It seemed very obvious to me. I have an autistic child and see similarities where, she will do something without thinking and then when I get angry at her, she will just say "sorry" because she doesn't even remember what she did. And if someone falls and gets hurt in front of her, she will continue to do what she was already doing. It's not that she is heartless or cold, that is just how her brain works. Same with Auriol in this video. I've seen another Dr. Grande analysis and I have not been impressed.

@darhug1968a

14 күн бұрын

I agree to a great extent. This woman seems to have led a lonely life full of difficulty. Where I disagree is your assumption that the court never took her disabilities into account when sentencing her. I think the judge took this into account as manslaughter normally carries a much larger sentence than 3 years. What is disappointing is this was ever charged in the first place (and this has nothing to do with the court).

@shamancredible8632

14 күн бұрын

Nah, it shouldn't be considered. You people are the types that allow serial killers to walk free because they're "neurodiverse"

@olecranonrebellion9976

10 күн бұрын

Because a person is disabled doesnt make them a saint.

Pedestrians and cyclists on sidewalks are not generally compatible. Cyclists are much safer sharing the street with motor vehicles. However, they must ride single file and impede the flow of traffic as little as possible. The sidewalks are no place for cyclists unless they are children.

As a daily cycle commuter I at first I was inclined to blame the pedestrian for hogging the sidewalk, but also I blamed the cyclist for playing chicken with the pedestrian. I didn’t see the pedestrian strike or shove the cyclist. She didn’t even seem to lean in or turn towards the cyclist. I follow the rule that pedestrians have the right of way. I could see blaming the car driver for not giving the cyclists room to use the street for their commute, or to pass pedestrians or other obstacles on the sidewalks. I do ultimately blame the cyclists for taking unnecessary risk of trying to pass the pedestrian with such a narrow margin between the pedestrian traffic and the car traffic. To me the fall seemed accidental. No guilty for either the pedestrian or the driver of the car.

She pushed an old lady into traffic then went shopping That's cold-blooded

@darthmcgee2216

16 күн бұрын

Pushed? Lol no that is a wild exaggeration

@emmapeel8163

16 күн бұрын

@@darthmcgee2216.. "she touched Celia" .. the woman on the bicycle lost control trying to avoid pedestrian who literally forced her off sidewalk by standing in the way. but Auriel seems to have many internal issues. sad case.

@gavinjenkins899

16 күн бұрын

Nobody at any point even the prosecution, said she pushed anyone. You literally just made that up out of thin air.

@gavinjenkins899

16 күн бұрын

@@emmapeel8163 Not getting out of the way of an illegal biker while I'm somewhere bikes are not allowed is not "forcing" anything. If you're eating at a cafe sitting at an outdoor table, and a biker starts biking straight at you, are you obligated to jump up, push the table out of the way, and make room? No? Weird. If the biker swerves to avoid your cafe table and hits a car, is that on you? No? Huh, interesting.

@MK-jc9ov

16 күн бұрын

​​@@emmapeel8163 Given her anger issues and the foul-mouthed order she directed at the victim, I doubt that was merely a touch.

I don’t know the law of England about who can be on the pavement such as cyclists. . I know in Germany if you’re 12 years and older than you have to ride on the road. In my opinion, the 77-year-old woman should’ve got off her bicycle as she came toward the walker in the other direction just to be safer for both people, but I also think that the walker should not have shouted at her and she should’ve stood to the side if the older lady was not going to walk the bicycle. And if it’s true that the walker touched the older lady, then she should’ve not done that, it’s a very sad thing never matter whose fault it was.

@BenKlassen1

16 күн бұрын

If you are 13 and older you must ride your bicycle on the road in my state in the USA. Very similar.

@Metqa

14 күн бұрын

I don't understand how the entire crowded Islands of Japan can manage to have pedestrians and cyclist on the same path and not murder anyone. Bicyclists and Pedestrians just respect each other. pedestriants don't attack bicyclist, Entire Families ride bikes to dinner and places and people just go around each other . Ring Ring, says I'm behind you, please keep walking and I'll pass you on my bike. It wasn't hard to learn. Forcing people, Teens and Adults, to have to be run over by fast moving cars just to ride bikes seems ludicrous. A Car is much more deadly hitting a cyclist, than a cyclist hitting a pedestrian. What logic is there? Cyclists aren't racing, they are just moving maybe as fast as someone running but we don't force runners into the street for their speed.

@sethc6663

12 күн бұрын

UK Highway Code Rule 64 You *MUST NOT* cycle on a pavement.

The cyclist was not entitled to be on the pavement/sidewalk. It's illegal. If I had driven a motorcycle down the pavement/sidewalk, and suffered an accident, I don't think there would be any discussion about who was at fault

I’m British and as far as I’m aware - and we were taught this in school during cycling classes - that you’re not supposed to ride on a pavement and if a pedestrian is using the pavement, they have priority over the cyclist.

Cross country biking has been my sport and as far as rules in America go, to my knowledge bikes are vehicles and we belong in the street with traffic and obeying the laws. If traffic was very dangerous for me, I was WALKING my bike on the sidewalk with deference given to pedestrians.🌿

@samhilton4173

17 күн бұрын

Doesn't mean you can assault them.

@judithgannon5642

17 күн бұрын

Same here. I was riding my bike as transportation for awhile as a 60 something. There were stretches that the traffic was too busy for me and I went up on the sidewalk--- unless I saw a pedestrian or one entered the walk. Then I stopped and walked it past them. Seems incredible rudeness as well as reckless to ride past a walker.

@BlackJesus8463

17 күн бұрын

Don't you think its more dangerous for a cyclist to ride on the road than it is for a pedestrian sharing a sidewalk with a bike?

@feleciaclemons5074

17 күн бұрын

​@@samhilton4173duh! I don't get from the original comment that they think they can or would..

@marlenestewart7442

17 күн бұрын

@@BlackJesus8463 So it may seem like a simple question, but you have to think it through. A bicyclist is in a vulnerable position relative to the motor vehicles on the street, especially when outnumbered. But all the pedestrians are vulnerable to even 1 large metal machine moving at a speed many times faster than they within very close proximity. If the bicyclist cannot ride in the street, it does not give him/her the right to elevate the risks for the pedestrians.

I'm a lifelong cyclist, usually sticking to the sidewalks, I think it's the cyclist's responsibility to avoid hazards and think ahead. I've also had people strike me and pretend to strike me (which is assault) and avoiding them is part of the responsibility,

@Jeff-sp7bg

17 күн бұрын

You ride a bike on the sidewalk? That's absolutely asinine. Jesus christ dude

@poindextertunes

17 күн бұрын

@@Jeff-sp7bgcry about it

@Ja_Mes

17 күн бұрын

@@poindextertunesyou’re alone. Or your girl is not HWP. Prove me wrong.

@powerhouse884

17 күн бұрын

@@Jeff-sp7bg No is not, specially if it’s a wide sidewalk with no pedestrians. Much better to avoid a Car accidents in roads that don’t provide a bike lane.

@jeffreybrewer8649

17 күн бұрын

@@Jeff-sp7bg It depends. I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so. Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.

Self defense is not manslaughter, even if you might be handicapped.

I ride a bike everyday. You're supposed to ride the bike in the same direction as traffic so this doesn't happen. The cyclist could've turned toward the fence instead of the road. It was an accident but I don't think she deserves to be in prison.

Another piece exculpatory evidence is the fact that Aurielle is mentally impaired. That factor informs all of her behaviours. She was being accosted by individuals on scooters, teased because she is mentally impaired. I would say that her mental accuity is that of a 7/8 year old child. Her motivation was immediate, no mens rea. Plus the failed police investigation, which could not determine and gave no evidence to support the legality of the victim riding her bicycle on the pavement. The case could not be tried because the investigation was improper, and the court relied on conjecture, not fact, when determining the outcome of the case.

@9inchsradius

17 күн бұрын

Irrelevant, a person still died.

@cknut-rw2dm

17 күн бұрын

I agree. She cannot be held to standards of what a “normal” person would know or do because she was not a normal person.

@alucard6919

17 күн бұрын

She gets the tard card. Google Chris Chan.

@mEnTL32

17 күн бұрын

Agreed. Doctor is way off on this one, and the comments are staggering. A half-blind disabled person waved at someone and killed them? Give me a break. Tragic accident, nothing more.

@Oakleaf700

16 күн бұрын

@@cknut-rw2dm If she's not ''normal'' why is she allowed out unaccompanied? Why hasn't she a carer to protect the public from her rages?

_Incident in a small town in England. And what should have been a completely benign encounter between two individuals, instead spiraled into a senseless tragedy. For such is the fleeting nature of existence, as every one of us lives our daily lives with one foot on the pavement, and the other teetering on the curb of...The Twilight Zone._

@olecranonrebellion9976

10 күн бұрын

Cyclist needs to stop when they see a pedestrian on a sidewalk. She saw her quite far to be able to stop without falling

@kayleefox7016

14 күн бұрын

Agreed, I used to cycle in a major city in Canada. If you have to go on the sidewalk you dismount. This lady didn’t and she lost her life for her recklessness. I don’t think Grey is necessarily a nice person but to blame her for this other ladies death when that lady was performing illegal and dangerous acts with her riding, is absolute nonsense

Riding a bicycle on the pavement (side walk) is illegal in the UK under the Highway Act 1835

😮This reminds me of something that happened to me. While walking on the sidewalk in NYC, I decided to reach into my purse to get my sunglasses. I took maybe 2 steps to the right and stopped walking. I have a habit of making a Hollywood move and moving my left foot a few inches away from my body to sort of balance myself. As I was reaching in my purse, a man walking to my left, walking behind me, tripped over my foot and fell hard on the sidewalk. He had to 6'5" and 275 pounds. I felt so bad. I assume he was fine because he did get up, but not before he gave me a disgusted look. This reminded me of what happened here.

Watched the BBC report when this news first aired -- a cyclist goes right past the reporter, on the pavement...

@agostinodublino1387

17 күн бұрын

I've read that in that street they are supposed to share the pavement with pedestrian- so it's legal

@bobl1769

17 күн бұрын

Bicycles, except when ridden by children, should be on the road, if on the sidewalk cyclist, need to dismount. This cyclist was riding on the sidewalk at her own risk.

@OptimusSatanas

17 күн бұрын

@@bobl1769 You have dumb logic. If someone rides on the sidewalk, it doesnt mean that any unlawful act that occurs to them is their fault.

@CankleCankle

17 күн бұрын

@@bobl1769that’s stupid, why put yourself in the path of traffic when there is a sidewalk. People need to be more courteous.

@Lily-ld7fn

17 күн бұрын

@@OptimusSatanas The pedestrian has right of way in those situations.

That is wild! That is not fair! At least she only had to serve a couple years. You can gesticulate as madly as you like. No reasonable person would agree that yelling and shooing someone off the sidewalk equates to manslaughter. This was not assault!

"plenty of room" does that mean i can drive on the sidewalk if there is enough room ? Cyclists arent allowed on the sidewall unless youre a child. Cyclists cant have it both ways.

The bullies from before made a mind set of grievance. Imo this is a part of the tragedy.

@jayclark8284

17 күн бұрын

I feel the same. If this woman lived in Bali, she would not receive any bullying in the community, and her hostility levels would never have ramped up. It is a bloody tragedy all round and I feel for everyone involved and affected, including the poor driver.

@natashamcmullen6559

16 күн бұрын

Was she actually bullied though? I think there's a more likely possibility that she was the bully People would ride their bikes, she would try to take over the entire footpath and she would refer to all interactions as bullying. I think she often tries to force bikes off the sidewalk and often shoves them. This is just the first time it resulted in death

@jayclark8284

16 күн бұрын

@@natashamcmullen6559so you think a 46 year old mentally and physically disabled women hasn't endured a lifetime of bullying? I'm not excusing her from all culpability, but it cannot be dismissed as a factor... and she did end up staying in jail for a while. If you think modern English culture (and particularly its youth) could hold a candle to the level of kindness and empathy of the Balinese, you obviously haven't been here. My point is she never would have ended up that hostile living here🙏

@xixi560

16 күн бұрын

To be clear, I went to.. well I won't say which primary school. I have equal fault, or credit regarding her death (as the bullies, or as the disgusting land whale). Maybe the bullies wouldn't have bullied if I didn't go to that primary school many years ago on the other side of the world. Everything is part of this tragedy, this tragedy is part of everything.

@miavos3610

16 күн бұрын

I agree. She was always on the defense.

She is disabled and snarky. But i don't think she intended for the woman to die. Sounds like an unfortunate accident. If she delibratley shoved her. Then she would absolutely be at fault. Not knowing her obviously i have no idea how she interprets right from wrong. Walking away was callous. I absolutely feel for the victim and her family. And the poor lady that hit her. That has to be weighing on her.

@user-lj4xs4gn8u

16 күн бұрын

I don’t think he’s no it’s weighing on her.

@HypocritesExposd

16 күн бұрын

Her intention is not what is on trial here, it’s her actions.

@tessaducek5601

16 күн бұрын

@@user-lj4xs4gn8u Probably not. Too bad. Jail is likely when she felt something. It affected her!

@tessaducek5601

16 күн бұрын

@@HypocritesExposd She had to have intent to generate action!

@Moodboard39

15 күн бұрын

She must've miserable and her disabled condition . When she died , she wasn't even thinking, doing her own business .... And angry at the same time ....

I didn't see the pedestrian move to block the sidewalk. Point of fact, if the pedestrian was blocking the sidewalk, then the cyclist couldn't have expected to maneuver around her at speed. It looks to me like the cyclist just doesn't handle the maneuver. Short of being shoved, I just don't see this being more than an accident. If there is a proof that the cyclist would have otherwise not lost control without physical intervention of the pedestrian. Also, it's not a pedestrian's job to make sure a cyclist isn't traveling too fast to control their conveyance. If the cyclist is going so fast that she couldn't stop and HAD to swerve, then there can't be just miscalculation on the part of the pedestrian. Also, I can swear at someone and flip them off, but just because they then crash doesn't mean I caused it. It's still up to the other person to control their conveyance. This is the second analysis I've watched of yours, and there's a lot of supposition what the supposed guilty party is supposed to know that isn't reflected in law. In this case, you claim the pedestrian is supposed to be aware of traffic's possible threat to a cyclist. Bollocks. That could only possibly be a factor if the pedestrian forcefully pushes someone into the path of a vehicle. This little forearm waving being called an "aggressive" action is just so weak. Next thing you know, the pedestrian will be blamed for a vehicle losing control because of arm movements. What a joke.

If cyclists saw that pedestrian was not moving or gave room, they needed to slow down or stop.

You can see her plant her left foot and swivel just as the bicycle meets her. She was also purposely striding in the middle of the sidewalk.

@Oakleaf700

16 күн бұрын

She was! I cannot believe people defending this awful Auriole woman. She's a foul mouthed liar from her police interview with zero empathy for the people whose lives she has ruined.

@JAMessinaJr

15 күн бұрын

How much room was there where the two met? Seems to be an obstruction due to a post. How much space did that take up?

If one moves the video frame by frame one can see that the cyclist was in control and straight when she passed Auriol. The front wheel is straight after it has passed her. Then Auriol stops walking for a moment, her right leg makes a vigoros movement inward and her body moves inward for a moment (visible back not straight as before, but leaning forward for a moment), as if she gives the cyclist a quick push. Only at that moment does the cyclist turn the handlebar to the right to instinctively compensate for the lean to the right which was caused by the push. When the front wheel of thy bicycle enters the road the lean to the right of the cyclist is much steeper than a loss of directional control without a push could possibly have caused in this fraction of second. If she had steered to the right so quickly while going straight then she would have fallen to the left. She falls to the right despite the counteraction of her steering right because the momentum caused to her body by the push was greater than what the countersteering could compensate for. Never mind about the gestures, that happens many times every day, but she was obviously pushed, Why did the prosecution and the court fail to see this quick break of step and leaning over of the body?

@jamesflames6987

16 күн бұрын

They must have seen it and come to a different conclusion to you.

I’m not saying Ariel is innocent, but, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Ariel to believe that her hand gesture would cause a death. I also think if a minor situation like this causes you to lose control of your bicycle and crash in front of moving cars, maybe you’re too old to be riding a bike.

It's against the law to ride your bike on the pavement. If breaking the law results in someone's death you're at fault, even if it's your own death. Legally this isn't even a brain teaser. She's not guilty of manslaughter.

The International Mountain Bike Association has the sensible and ethical guidance of all bicyclists need to always yield right of way so that there is no chance that other trail users ever feel afraid. As a 59 y/o man, I always either get off the sidewalk or dismount from my bike when I see a pedestrian.

@YeeLeeHaw

16 күн бұрын

It's far easier for pedestrians to get out of the way. Imagine being afraid of a bicycle lol.

@markadams8041

16 күн бұрын

@@YeeLeeHaw she's got the oppression cards, disabled, tough life, I believe safety then courtesy. You are free to be wrong in your overall analysis.

@YeeLeeHaw

16 күн бұрын

@@markadams8041 oppression?

@augustek5382

16 күн бұрын

Right, but the lady was 77. She fell into the traffic due to the entitled disabled woman not giving her a tiny bit of space on the pavement to pass by. The elderly woman did not realize that the woman in front of her was missing some parts of brain and did not expect that she won't let her stay on the pavement to pass safely.

@sleepyrasta14820

15 күн бұрын

I dont stop and get off I've encountered hostile people while doing that i keep going if they see me and dont move out of the way then they're dumb

I don't know about this area, but in the UK there are many designated cycling and pedestrian areas - which is asking for accidents to happen. Not much chance of a pedestrian knocking another pedestrian over, but when a bike comes flying past you at speed from behind, it can give you the fright of your life!!! I have seen people getting knocked over by cyclists on these designated areas. It is ridiculous, but the local council designates the areas and really don't give a hoot about accidents (probably less accidents than having cycling on the road)!!!

@sarawashington5485

17 күн бұрын

THANK YOU KENN AND WELL SAID👏👏👏

@culcune

17 күн бұрын

Someone above responded that apparently the cyclist was allowed to be on the sidewalk in this particular area (it seemed like she is from that area). I did write my own opinion as well regarding what I call 'hybrid' cyclists who jump on sidewalks and then ride on the street and back and forth. I am writing from the perspective of the US where cyclists are supposed to (I was also taught years ago long before I could legally drive) follow the same general rules of the road as motorized vehicles, yet rules are rarely enforced against cyclists riding poorly or on the sidewalks. It muddies the rules in my opinion, making it just as potentially dangerous to pedestrians as rules expressly allowing cyclists to 'share' the sidewalks.

@CC-hx5fz

17 күн бұрын

Cyclists are a dangerous mix with pedestrians. Let's face it the cyclists are the bullies in than space in the same way that they're bullied in mainstream traffic. Our neighbour had one of her dogs put down last month after it was injured by a cyclist that didn't bother to stop. If they're approaching a pedestrian or a child in a pushchair, the cyclists don't care because they aren't the ones getting hurt. They are much more respectful of the heavier powered wheelchairs, or a horse because they aren't confident of the consequences of getting things wrong. It's just selfishness.

@sarawashington5485

17 күн бұрын

@@CC-hx5fz 👏👏👏👏Thank you for sharing. So sad about the dog and it's owner.

@EvenBigger-Brother

17 күн бұрын

If they were right behind you were probably jay walking in the wrong lane .

I read about this accident but you had much more info on the pedestrian. It is a difficult situation all around. You did your absolute best to try to be fair. Your admonition at the end allowed this to be a cautionary tale for the hotheads.

new word of the day *gesticulation* my brain: gestation *ademanes/gestos* translates to gestures (speaking with hands) *shes's Guilty*