Next challenge: can you create DIY jammers and ecm rush a bank IRL?

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a mutator for 10 times the reward, plus 10 times the difficulty. I'm in! :p

@levieverhart8640

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb ayo me too! I can be the Jimmy of the squad!

@levieverhart8640

2 жыл бұрын

@DeadRealDude ah GTA. We need Trevor Philips in Payday 2.

@fotisvretos6049

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb no restart button tho. you have only one chance

@superjoe1015

2 жыл бұрын

Marcmb would be in Bain’s position in this case, I feel.

You guys are coordinated enough to rob a real bank at this point.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks Aquajet! Glad you liked the coordination on this one :)

@gabrielbucher3509

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I agree

@Schrodingers_kid

2 жыл бұрын

They probably did

@theclonebass20

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t give them ideas

@goodmarble

2 жыл бұрын

@LuckyFrosty13 Thats what you want us to think ;)

I would say it was a pleasure doing this with you but that would be a lie! This heist is an utter nightmare! Great vid once again marc!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha thank you Cookie! Thanks for staying with us through all this torture. Finally we found a strategy that didn't fail at the very end, so I would say this was 100% worth it in exchange for being the first to finally pull this off! :D

@cookieape6664

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Definitely worth it! Though at the time, with the amount of times we were so close and failed, it sure didn't feel worth it 🤣! Thankfully with Gabriel's research and our perserverance, we finally managed to complete it!

@MartinSK44

2 жыл бұрын

Ngl i would enjoy this torture :D

@cookieape6664

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinSK44 trust me, it's an absolute nightmare 🤣

@MartinSK44

2 жыл бұрын

@@cookieape6664 ItWasBob can confirm that i am a huge masochist :D

honestly the amount of coordination that is required for something like this probably ends up making the heist harder than a legitimate stealth run. it's insane watching such small details make such a big difference.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks Frost! Pretty true to be honest: for us it was more like a challenge run (to see if the heist could be ECM rushed), but the amount of planning and coordination it requires makes it much harder than a regular stealth run (which is kind of the opposite of what you would expect of a rush haha!). Although at least, after everyone has learnt their roles, then the rush is much easier and especially faster than the regular stealth approach, as one would expect :)

This is just the perfect coordination. I would not have this much patience for it

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Dreamer, glad you enjoyed this one too!! Indeed, this one took A LOT of patience: so many changes in the strategy, and so many attempts to perfect each of the strategies, just to find out that they didn't work!

I was really waiting for a strat that involved killing guards to decrease the pECM cooldown to make the rush doable... awesome job guys!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Harablo, glad you liked that! I honestly never thought I would see a rush where the kill distribution was so important (because generally all you want is the maximum ECM rush time, regardless of the order), but surprisingly on this one the order was very important :D

now waiting for "Is Schackletorne auction able to ECM rush?", because your videos are always enjoyable to watch :)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ano Nim! That one will definitely be done in the future :D Glad you're still enjoying the videos, I appreciate it a lot!

Fun Fact: If playing in VR you can actually place C4 without the forklift. A centered jump right below the C4 will get you close enough to start the interaction, and VR will also gives extra room so the interaction isn't canceled by the distance. You will still need the forklift for the saws though

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh I had no idea Pix, that's very interesting! Really really interesting. Having 3 heisters with C4 doing the basement would definitely speed this up then :D I'll definitely have to check it out in the future, if I ever get a full VR crew (even though I don't even have VR myself yet haha)

@Unkanow

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Marcmb I have experience in VR. It's not much, but its _something._ The major limitation in playing in VR is fatigue. Given that I am not slim at all, I get physically tired after some time. If you're not like me, this limitation will most likely not be as bad, but it might still affect you. Looking past that *and* motion sickness... VR was _made_ to be advantageous over desktop gameplay: 1. Some skills have additional "VR only" benefits. I have forgotten what these skills are (and apply to), though, as I have not played PD2 in VR in a long time. 2. Assuming you are right-handed, you can use your left hand to do tasks (such as lockpick a door open) _while_ having the ability to shoot with the gun in your right hand. You can't reload while doing a task, though. 3. VR has improved mobility. Some areas that are too high on desktop, _might_ be in-reach in VR. That is, you use click-to-move rather than smooth locomotion. 4. Dynamic reloading allows you to reload your guns early. Not sure how useful that is for stealthing, but definitely handy for some specific situations. The drawback, though, is that your magazine will only be partially full. There might be more things I'm missing or have misremembered, but having not played PD2 in VR for a long time, that's the best information I can share. Of course, there are PD2 VR videos on YT that can be watched also to get a better idea of how it is to play the game in VR. Other than that, I have nothing else to say. Best of luck.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the thorough list, Unkanow! I had heard only about #2, but I didn't know about the rest. It would be really cool to make VR PAYDAY2 videos in the future, so I'll definitely have to make some research before that. Although for now I don't even have a VR device (and I've never used one), so it's definitely a plan for the far future!

@azazel5188

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb biggest problem with VR is the typing in chat - it's sooo incredibly slow, because you have to aim with one of your controllers at a virtual keyboard from SteamVR (it's basically typing with 1 finger on a real keyboard) + the keyboard is buggy and sometimes just doesn't send the message if you hit 'enter'. so if this will ever be done with a VR-crew, you'd definitely have to use voice chat to coordinate things.

@Sun2Gway

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Doesnt that mean its possible to loop camera at entrance of security in golden grin casino older versions? this should be interesting

this feels like something you'd have to do to get a secret achievement just from the routing and preplanning, great job!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

That would be really cool! There's no ways the devs thought about it though, because from their perspective it was 100% impossible :p Glad you liked the plan, thank you very much! :D

@korneel2816

11 ай бұрын

please no, i don't need more 4player achievements😭

I was a little late for the premiere but holy shit man you actually did it. I can just imagine the amount of runs you did before hand. Overkill should definitely acknowledge this in some way.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

No worries Zer0! Glad you enjoyed it :D They might acknowledge it by patching it, who knows hahaha! This did indeed take a lot of runs, mainly because most of our strategies (after a few attempts to optimize and perfect them) ended up failing at the very end (usually because of things related to the camera operator), so definitely many attempts!

@IceExtremeGamers

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb make it an achievement. Kappa

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha that would be very cool too! Or a simpler trophy, since that's easier to implement. Very unlikely to happen though, not sure...

I knew how this one would work because I’ve experienced the pager deletion in a normal run. After spending hours grinding this heist (idk why it’s just a really hard one for me) I finally got to the unmask step but got detected right before I got into the unmask room, but I had no pagers left. Killed the guard, feeling super defeated, and walked into the room. Then the pager despawned. That was the happiest I have been playing payday ever. Loved the video and remembering the memory!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's exactly right Bubba! From the very beginning, our plan was to use the despawn mechanic when unmasking to be able to finish the rush... that's why I was so confident when we reached the unmasking on our plan A run, that I typed "safe" in the chat... Then it turned out that the despawning does not apply to the camera operator, and things became a lot trickier! :D

marc: bain, wich loot drop-off we will need to use? bain: hang on...Right aand Left

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! I was wondering where this comment was going, and it caught me off-guard at the end. Definitely got me, 10/10! Poor Bain, he's so useless sometimes :D

i love how many different people this game has: Loud pros, Stealth pros (You, Marcmb!), game mechanics pros, modding pros, even mask customzation pros. GG's, awesome run!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you TARE, very kind of you! And I'm glad you enjoyed the run, much appreciated! :D

The fact that this is even possible blows my mind. Doesn’t look like anything I’d have the patience for, but super fun to watch!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you had fun watching this one Beefjerky, thank you very much! It did take a lot of patience, indeed. When our strategies kept failing at the very end, we were ready to give up and call it impossible... but luckily our final strategy worked flawlessly :D

Such a good video - so entertaining. Good job! I love the colour co-ordinated text you put on the screen

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, superchickenmilk! Glad you liked it, and the colored text too! I feel like it helps when connecting certain actions to certain heisters, especially when there might not be much time to read the text :)

Your videos are like gems on the KZread. They are very well edited, fun to watch and also very useful! Keep going man.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

That's very kind of you demo main, thank you very much! I'll definitely do my best to keep it up :D

You are INSANE, guys! GG on doing this incredible task. I was actually shocked and very happy, when you pulled it off! You deserve a LOT more subs for the hard work that you do

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the very nice comment Sitman, I appreciate it a lot! Glad you enjoyed the rush, and seeing us pull it off :) I do have to say, that I have a lot more subscribers than I ever expected (so I couldn't ask for more!), but still, thanks a lot for the kind words! :D

You and your crew are absolute legends for seeing this through until the end, respect!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much nick! We were definitely commited to eventually seeing it through, especially after being so close after each different strategy...

you broke my mind once more… i would have never dreamed of this marcmb! good video as usual!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Kaan, glad you liked the strategy, the rush and the video! Happy to hear that, much appreciated :)

The *camera operator* just built different than other guards! It's funny how just 1 guy could complicated the ECM rush strategy

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha exactly! He really tried his best to ruin the entire rush, pretty much the entire strategy-making revolved around him!

SPLENDID work! great job :P

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Jang, glad you liked this one too! :D

That's a lot of work and stress for this challenge, good job. My hands are wet because i was worrying for you at the end. Perfect execution.

@Marcmb

6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! It was indeed very stressful when we finally pulled it off. We had no idea if it was gonna succeed or not :D

Really clever way of doing it, I discovered the despawn mechanic when you unmask by accident a time ago, always thought it could be done for a rush. Nice vid!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much juan, glad you liked it! Indeed, the main part of our strategy relied completely on the despawn mechanic. Surprisingly, it did not apply to the camera operator, and that forced us to rethink the strategy a few times. Overall, this rush was very entertaining to plan :D

Wow.... just wow.... the research, the coordination... everything. Amazing to watch. Huge pull off. As always, outstanding job. Thanks for bringing this to the comunity

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the very nice comment, Héctor! Very kind of you, glad you enjoyed it so much :) I appreciate it a lot!

Holy shit this is nuts. The level of coordination you guys have as a team to be able to pull this off is beyond me. I tried this heist in DS with a friend a couple days ago and we failed again, and again, trying to navigate these kitchens with guards and civs. Eventually we pulled it off in stealth after another day of trying, but just barely. I would never attempt something like this though, this is just insane, well done

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Dynamic! Glad you enjoyed the coordination on this one :) Congratulations on the stealth completion for you and your friend! This one felt quite insane indeed on the day that we pulled it off. We were about to give up because so many strategies kept failing :D

Absolutely stunning. I dread to imagine a rush that could be harder than this, incredible job

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Demvare, glad you liked it! :D I agree with you completely: as of right now, I consider this to be the hardest ECM rush in the entire game, even harder than the Golden Grin Casino. I guess only time will tell if there's a harder one!

This is freaking insane! Hell yeah! I couldn’t believe it until I saw the very end, had my mouth drop and everything!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you very much, Dereck, that's great to hear! Glad you enjoyed it, much appreciated :)

Very nice video just shows how much effort you guys put into it.👍

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Bob! Glad you liked it, much appreciated :D

I can ECM rush, but this right here is art

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you very much, frostie! Glad you liked it, much appreciated :)

when i started watching this i was wondering if this was a way to make alesso heist actually interesting but it just seems more stressful than usual haha as always, you guys do a great job at organizing its really cool to watch!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha it is very stressful, yeah! Pretty much everyone needs to know the strategy, and it'll take a bit of practice. For players who enjoy ECM rushing, it would be fun to attempt, but in general it's just a very hard strategy! Glad you liked it raven, thank you! :D

I knew it that you and you crew can change the reality

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much, Kapi! Thanks for having faith, and I'm glad we were able to live up to the expectations! :p

You're the smartest person I've ever seen in PD2. Not only come up with a complicated plan, but you even change it mid-game... Awesome guide.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much, that's very kind of you! Glad you're enjoying the content, much appreciated :)

So planned out and so calculated. Really makes it feel like you guys discussed the plan in a dimly lit room with the floorplan on the table.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha pretty much! Glad you liked it, Bryan :) Considering we had 3 strategies which failed at the very end for reasons related to the rush time, or the camera operator, this did take a lot of discussion: someone would bring up a possible strategy, and the rest of the crew would look for its weak points, ways to improve it, etc :p It was really fun!

I am amazed that you have perfect coordination just using text chat, gg and thanks for the amazing content

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wizmor! Glad you're enjoying the content :) I invited 3 very very talented rushers for this one, because it was gonna be my hardest rush so far, and it went really smooth with just text! :D

i had completely forgot that the pECM cooldown decrease could apply in stealth too, since you never notice it occuring in normal playthroughs! this was an insane video to watch, i never knew how ECM-unfriendly Alesso was; i always assumed it would be a straightforward one with just time management for the pyrotechnics. fantastic job!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there ent! Glad you liked the rush, thank you very much :) Indeed, I never thought there would be an ECM rush where the cooldown mechanic would be important (because generally you only care about the total time, not the exact order), but this one turned out to be the exception! And indeed, the rush was quite tricky. Very challenging stuff, but really fun! :D

great video Marc! Very fun recording it although the cam guy was a pain in the ass :D

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you h3ll! Indeed, that cam guy was a real pain, he forced us to change strategy at least 2 or 3 times... finally we found a way around him though, and it was 100% worth the effort :D

I really enjoy these unique ECM rush videos, it's interesting to see how they're done

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear Creeper, glad you're enjoying these! Thank you very much :)

That rng and planning... It took u awhile. But in the end, even if u cant ecm rush, u will still gain something. And as always, congrats for ecm rushing it and thks for creating such a content! Would like to see more

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much GreatGuest, glad you enjoyed the journey! I'll definitely make more ECM rush content in the future :D glad you're loving it!

All 4 of you answering pagers at once is pretty funny

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! Coordinated takedown of every part of the security :p

Bro, this vid is what I aspire to be at, just got to infamy 6, with the guy I consider a mentor at 98, and, this just blows my mind! keep it up, o7

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Dalokes, that's very kind of you! I'll do my best to keep it up :D

Great work, professional work

@Marcmb

4 күн бұрын

"Tightest crew ever!"

The absolute madmen of heisters, will they ever be stopped? Probably if Overkill tweaks the heists more, but it's still damn impressive. Great job!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hey TacticalBananas! Glad you liked this one too, thank you very much! :D In the future we might get a heist that is 100% impossible to ECM rush. Only time will tell! :p

how the actual, marc i dont know how the hell you come with these wizardry strats, but i will say one thing, you’re a master at it. GG

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you Striker! This one was specially fun to rush because it had so many things getting in the way and requiring changes of strategy. Really fun to plan and execute; glad you liked it! :D

The mad lad did it again. Really impressive!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much kitandrei, glad you liked it!!

marcmb, great video, before watching it. i already know its good :D

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, iisnowcreeper! I appreciate that :D

@iisnowcreeper

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb epic video. Clap

Awesome stuff!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Stelio, glad you liked it! :D

1000% coordination 1000% skill 1000% epic

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, thatguypotato! Glad you liked it :D 1000% thanks!

this was an amazing guide and thanks to you, the impossible ecm rush is possible

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you officialgamet! Glad you liked it, and indeed, the Impossible ECM Rush is no more :D

Those are some high tech locks that they make a door saw-proof when the powers off

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Not sure if it makes a lot of sense, but it is certainly high tech! :D

Love your videos!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Kappa! Glad you're enjoying them, and hopefully you enjoyed this one as well! :D

@kappa2454

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Of course I did!

Holy shit they actually did it. well done :D

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, v00nderson! It took a few changes of strategy, but we finally found one that works. Glad you liked it! :D

Knew it, y'all just continue to impress.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Brandon! Glad you had faith in the possibility of rushing the heist, and glad you enjoyed it! :D

sheesh, Marcmb back at it again with the dream team!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Glad you liked it, thanks SOFLOW!

Soon overkill will add 6 minutes drills into every heist just to stop your rampage

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha that would be a very thorough way to make them impossible to rush! In the past, they used to do that with objectives lasting 4 minutes (Big Bank's timelock, the ship moving for Bomb: Dockyard...) but nowadays even those are easily ECM'd through by adding Pocket ECMs! :D

@mauer1

2 жыл бұрын

i mean, this rush also wouldnt be possible if the activation of the demask zone would be jammed. (which is far more logical than saw immune doors.)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

For sure! I was surprised to find that you can make the call to unmask, even when ECMs are active. A pleasant surprise! :D

I really thought they would give up half way but then I remembered who I‘m watching😉

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha we actually almost gave up, Avian! We were needing so many strategy changes, and so many small optimizations, etc, that we almost gave up and considered it impossible. Finally we managed to find a reliable strategy that worked, and it was 100% worth it!! :D

Marcmb: ECM Rushing leads to powers some deem unnatural Audience: is it possible to learn this power?

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! With great power comes great responsibility, but this one is definitely possible to learn! :D

The mad lads. Amazing performance.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Zakru! Glad you liked it :D

this is amazing and inspiring

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Victorious! Glad you liked it :)

„Hello, Overkill Studios, this is Almir speaking“ … „They did WHAT?!? The entire Heist?? But that‘s impossible! We did everything to make it that way! Noooooooooooooooooooooo…“

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha sorry Almir! While it makes a lot of sense to design heists that are impossible to ECM rush, finding ways around it makes it 100 times more fun! I'm looking forward to future heists having even more anti-ECM rush mechanics, to have more challenging stuff to do :p

@Sun2Gway

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb U should try the newest Dragon heist

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

I've played that one, yup! Haven't had a chance to play the newer one Ukrainian Prisoner though, unfortunately :( As for the Dragon Heist, it's my favorite out of all the new heists so far! I love stealthing it, and I even made a video for all achievements in a single duo run. I personally like it a lot, so I might do an Ultimate Stealth Guide in the future, and an ECM rush video too! :D

@Sun2Gway

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Thank you.

Impressive dude unbelievable

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Pannkuchen! Glad you enjoyed it :D

I didn't even remember that killing enemies reduced the PCM cooldown. Great job!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked that, Rodrigo! Usually it's a mechanic that is not used (because the final number of ECMs and PCMs is the same) but in this case we needed to get to that final PCM cycle faster, so it was more interesting than usual! :D

cant wait for alesso rush!! :)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tetsuu! Hopefully it's gonna be a good one :) Starting soon!!

i have a feeling it might be possible just because you made a video on it :D

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thanks for having faith, Jav! And hopefully you enjoyed the strategy, and the outcome of this mythbusting session!

ok I'll be honest I absolutely didn't believe it was going to be possible when you made that community post, very impressive. guessing it took a lot of tries we don't see though ;)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi again Graknorke! Glad we were able to surpass your expectationg, and happy to hear you enjoyed the rush! :D It did take a loot of tries, especially because our first strategies were failing as soon as we reached the camera operator. For each strategy showcased here, we definitely needed quite a few attempts to optimize it to reach the end quickly enough, only to find out that the strategy didn't work out :D

That awesome. Great vid and that coordination and strategies. I personally hate this heist not gonna lie. Because i tried duo stealth with my brother and at final after unmask going loud because that camera guys......we tried to stealth and restart so many times at this point so i dont care anymore and finish the heist. Me and my lil brother never doing this heist again after that.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Dynasty devil! Glad you liked the rush, and the evolution of the strategy throughout the different attempts :) It's definitely a tricky heist when you do it in the regular stealth way, until you get used to it. As for the camera guy, he also gave us a lot of trouble haha! He single-handedly ruined at least 2 of the strategies we had for the rush...

this looks a lot more entertaining than vanilla stealth, i hope payday 3 takes cues from your ecm rushes

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like the playstyle, gack! It is indeed really cool: more intense than regular stealth, everything has a hard time limit, any mistakes in the chains of ECMs fails the heist instantly... Regular stealth is really fun too, but hopefully all this can stay and be improved for PAYDAY3! :D

I feel like full hacker crew ecm rush is the most realistic way to do stealth heist. Unlike sneakily running around while you exposed your whole body to someone

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree, Villager, glad you think so as well! The stealth system is fun, but not very realistic: all the suspicious things that get ignored by security don't make sense at all. On the other hand, going in fast while delaying communications, and getting out asap, is way more realistic for a heist!

i take back what i said about the impossible ecm rush playlist

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! Maybe after all, it's gonna be a playlist about "nearly impossible ECM rushes" or "possible impossible ECM rushes" :p

2 seconds in, its a classic

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Read! I tried to go for a very similar intro to all my other impossible ECM rushes, even including the "what if...?" right before the run :p

When perseverance pays off.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, Desher! We were very very close to giving up, when all our strategies kept failing at the very end for different reasons... Finally we were able to fully optimize it, and came up with a strategy that was able to do it reliably. Really happy that we kept going rather than giving up :D

Damn, that's the thing what i really did not expected to happen... Even with exception of using 4 pagers it's still quite an achievement!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much, illu! Indeed, the only way to reliably get past the green closets (which get reinforced during the ECM block, and become immune to even saw damage) was to do a short Pocket ECM rush to take out all 4 kitchen guards (and civs) simultaneously, to then get free reign to grab all the C4. Glad you enjoyed it!!

heist: exists this dude: RADIO STATIC INTENSIFIES

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Poor heist didn't know what was coming !

Eyyyy amazing video man, I knew the Alesso heist was gonna be complicated but the camera guy thing seems so weird, I'm curious though if you think you pull it off by having one of the upstairs players kill the camera operator (and answering his pager) then starting the rush when they kill the guard in their kitchen?

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it Drearsword, thank you very much! :D None of us expected the camera operator to work differently regarding the despawn rule, so we needed a lot of strategy changes to adapt to that! As for your question, that strategy would work if only 3 of the 4 kitchens had C4 (which is RNG-based), because otherwise the player taking out cams would not be able to reach their kitchen. Problem is you cannot know which kitchens have C4 before you start the rush (unless you sneak around for a bit, and then it's not really a full rush, plus you have to restart if someone messes up the sneaking around). Someone else asked the same (it's a very good suggestion, after all), so if you want to read more, here's the detailed list of issues that I responded to him, mainly related to how reliable the rush is regardless of RNG spawns: (1) in order to make the rush 100% reliable, we had to take out the 4 kitchen guards, to ensure there was no risk of getting caught (and no need to play sneaky) regardless of the C4 spawns. Thus, we had no pager to spare to take out the cams, so this strategy wouldn't really be viable in a 100% reliable rush! (2) when the camera room spawns in the main lobby, it's very tricky to get in there and take him out! And also, depending on RNG pathing, you would need to wait for a good opportunity to enter the room, creating another opportunity for the rush to fail. (except for the middle room spawn, which is always 100% safe, but it's only 1 of 3 spawns, so again reliability issue) (3) furthermore, with one player inside the camera room, they would be unavailable to check their kitchen, so someone would need to get there somehow (preferably without needing to sneak around, otherwise the rushes become unreliable on the first step if things go wrong during the sneaking), so this would require more changes to the overall strategy!

Once again, the Expert of ECM rushing has cracked yet another tough nut! It's only impossible till you find a strat!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much Skiller, it's just as you say: only impossible, until suddenly possible! Glad you liked it :)

For the cam guard you could just kill and answer his pager with the cost of one clear kitchen and extra risk to fail though the kitchen will be irrelevant later when ecm rushing.

@Marcmb

3 ай бұрын

That is correct yup! We considered this approach as well, but we wanted a strategy that would succeed 100% of the time, so putting all the pressure on the one player that couldn't afford to clear his kitchen felt a bit unfair to them :D

I'm so proud of you Marcmb

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Soviet! Glad you enjoyed this one :)

@hertogvandamme

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb I enjoy every video you make, always has an unique and interesting flair, and your explosive personality is always fun to see! :)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Very kind of you, thank you! :D

Next heist ecm rush idea: see if you can try art gallery or other smaller heists in a video showcasing all that are possible

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Very good suggestion, Floppa! In the near future I'm also gonna start ECM rushing the smaller heists, for the sake of completion, although I wanted to start with the bigger ones since these are a lot more challenging :D

@mauer1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Marcmb you can basically do all the small ones in a video. the normal bank heists are ecm rushable by 1 player. because all of the lower banks only have 4 pagers max so you dont need any more ecms after you answered the final pager. with go bank having the shootable cams and the other bank having the camera operator.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

For sure yeah! The smaller ones like Bank Heist can be grouped together, Jewelry Store and Ukrainian Job... but those are very very small heists, which are almost too simple. By "small" heists I meant things which can be easily ECM rushed with just 8 ECMs, with a difficulty level around Breakfast in Tijuana or FWB... not sure what those heists would be though, because I don't have a full list yet: for now I'm just rushing the ones that I find interesting! :D

Another awesome video that I won't try out myself lol (not that I don't want to but I don't think I'll ever have such a well coordinated team :D) I assume you've been asked for it before but can you share your hud mod? It seems very simple yet informative, just as I needed

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Ege, glad you liked it! :D Indeed, this one requires a very coordinated team, and a lot of practice, so it's very "endgame" stuff! As for my HUD, I also really like it because of its simplicity! I use a mix of PocoHUD3 and Additional PocoHUD trackers. Sadly I can't link them because the filter is removing anything with links lately, but our Steam group (in the description) has a pinned discussion thread with all the mod info. Hope that helps!

well i was today years old when I learned that you can't lock pick the green doors while an ecm is active

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! Not only impossible to lock pick, but also completely immune to saw damage. Glad I was able to teach you some useful information! :p

i am watching respectfully

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you wrenny! Hope you enjoyed the rush, respectfully :D

Incredible

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, PanMeliska! Glad you liked it :D

oh god, this is just straight up organized robbery now, not just precise timed ecm rush

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Holmes! Glad you liked the strategy :) It was one of my favorite rushes for this very reason :D

@holmesholmes.8784

Жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb your ecm rushes help me finding out about heists gimmicks, I play stealth alone so for me ECM is when theres an objective straight to the end. It helps me find out when can I ignore everything and one snap for 1 minute to the extraction of the heist

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

@@holmesholmes.8784 Nice! Great to hear these videos help you like that :) Indeed, full heist rushing is not viable solo, but when you know that you can zoom through a final section with no risk at all, it's still very useful information!

Overkill Software is just gonna watch this video and decide to make a genuinely impossible to ECM Rush heist just to spite Marc like how they watched his video for the stealth Counterfeit tutorial Like I said; the Alesso Heist seems like a Golden Grin Casino scenario where there's a bunch of stuff that has to be lined up straight before it can be done (And I'm talking before that one particular camera was unloopable, you know the one) and as it turns out, that was exactly the case Surprised Alesso could be ECM Rushed, but even Achilles had his weakness I guess you could say, but great video as always

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there WizardCraft! Happy to hear you enjoyed it, and glad the result surprised you! I would love it if the devs continued to make heists "100% impossible to ECM rush, by design" (but "only 99% impossible" when you consider some tricks), because it makes planning these rushes a lot more entertaining! When you mentioned the Golden Grin rush, I assumed you meant the cop kiting one, based on your description, yup! Luckily this one isn't as finicky, but it's definitely up there in difficulty! Really fun strategy to plan and then pull off.

@hazeltree7738

2 жыл бұрын

There's a difference between counterfeit stealth and ECM rushing alesso ECM Alesso takes skill, teamwork, timing, speed, etc and is very hard to do, just for a normal payout Counterfeit stealth is placing two bodybags for infinite money

@WizardCraft-ox4pe

2 жыл бұрын

@@hazeltree7738 That doesn't change how they tried to prevent people from stealthing the heist and failed miserably, like it was designed to be impossible to stealth, they updated it, and gave birth to a new meta for stealth counterfeit Which that was the point I was going for with the Counterfeit and Alesso comparison

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

*@Hazel Tree* - They're completely different yup! Although Counterfeit stealth printing was never about the infinite money, and more about the infinite XP, that's why they attempted to patch it with the release of Infamy 500 :p Although like *@WizardCraft* said, that's not exactly the point he was trying to make, although they are indeed undeniably different!

you’ve come this far, you might as well ecm rush Hoxton Breakout

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha that would be nice! ECM rushing some loud heists would be really interesting (for a change of pace), but sadly there aren't many where it can be done :(

Now this is cannon Payday gang. Absolute Master hiesters.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Amicosayshi! Very kind of you :D

@amicosayshi865

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb No, thank you for showing for putting out such a masterclass in coordination. I love this community, mostly because it's a fairly old game and ideas like this are still being made

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely like innovating, and creating new things. Glad you enjoyed that! :)

@amicosayshi865

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Well you do in abundance friend. Payday 2 is lucky to have creators such as yourself and the crew you do this stuff with. I look forward to seeing how you fair in Payday 3 (^_^)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Thank you very much! PAYDAY is easily my favorite game (the only one I play nowadays), so I'll definitely still be around for PAYDAY3!

cool stuff

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Scout, glad you liked it! :D

Solution: break into camera room before first step, answer the pager. Or: Get a 3rd person with 2 ecms (why do you have a guy carrying first aid kits anyway) and just place an ecm before you go into civilian mode.

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Good idea on paper but it wouldn't always work, because to ensure 100% success rate we kill the 4 guards in the kitchen areas, so that we can always get all C4 without any chance of messing up. If you use 1 pager on cameras then one of the 4 players needs to play sneaky without being spotted, and that creates room for error that you always want to avoid while ECM rushing :p

Epic gaming moment

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Licht! Glad you liked it :)

Never did this heist for now but I gotta do it now

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

It's a very cool heist, diablo! I recommend my "Ultimate Stealth Guide" if you're gonna be doing solo: it has many useful tips!

I would have expected not since the intercom guy is slow as fuck Edit: After watching, I'm astounded. Well-done, as usual!

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

:D Glad we could surpass your expectations, Cotton! Indeed, the intercom part was really long (taking up most of the rush) but fortunately the heist can be completed fast enough, even with that long objective!

Increíble, esto se celebra con unas birras.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha exacto! Estaría bien que KZread dejara hacer eso al final de una premiere: una pequeña celebración entre todos los ahí presentes!

I just come back playing pd2 after 4 years and came across your channel and watch so many videos, especially on counterfeit stealth one (i want to try it but it's not possible anymore sad), it's all so good, i though burglar is the only good perk for stealth, it turns out there's yakuza and hacker that's far more useful, also may i know what's all mods of the name you are using sir? i want to use it too. Thx for the great content.

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Alvin, welcome back to the heisting! A lot has changed in the last 4 years, glad you're enjoying all the content. Thank you very much! Counterfeit stealth printing was really fun while it lasted (and very unique), it's a shame that they patched it with the release of Infamy 3.0, to prevent it from being used for farming. Burglar used to be the best stealth perk deck, but nowadays Hacker is just insane for all its utility, safety, overall increased heisting pace, etc... as shown here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqmmutxtlNvgaNI.html As for my mods, I use mainly just my HUD (which is a mix of _PocoHUD3_ and _Additional PocoHUD trackers),_ and some QoL things like _Preplanning Saver,_ _Force Ready..._ but those can't really be seen in the footage! Sadly I can't link them because the filter is removing anything with links lately, but our Steam group (in the description) has a pinned discussion thread with all the mod info. Hope that helps!

Just a coment for the good work and youtube algorithm

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much kharitonov, I appreciate that! :D

everybody gangsta till he says "what if...?"

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! Glad you liked the introduction, Slate! I really like doing these intros like this :p

This has def got the be the hardest one yet big props for making it work! Just 2 things tho 1-would duping the cutter help in any way with making this faster? i'd assume so although it's pretty random it can shave off some time right 2-i actually thought what you would end up doing was just killing the camera operator instead of one of the kitchen guards, i mean if he's the ONLY one who cannot despawn then that made the most sense to me, with him out of the equation you can kill everyone else after planting the C4. Of course this depends on where exactly the camera guy spawns and it can def be tricky but with the silent saw trick it could work i think? Unless maybe you get the entry hall cam guard spawn..

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Alex! And you are 100% correct: I thought this one would be slightly easier than the Casino rush, but once I learnt that the camera guy does not despawn, and he kept ruining all our strategies, it quickly went up in the rankings and now I'd say it's top 1 in difficulty. Your 2 points are definitely very good! - Regarding the first one: Absolutely, duplicating the cutter (or even triplicating it if lucky, considering we have 3 heisters in the basement at all times) would save A LOT of time. However, we wanted a strategy that was 100% reproducible for the rush (without luck/random factors), and considering how tight the timing for the rush was, duplicating the cutters went a bit against that. Although in the future maybe I'll challenge myself, and find a crew who wants to pull this off, with the bonus of duplicating cutters, and going for all loot rather than just 12 bags :p - Regarding the second one: while taking him out would certainly solve the "main" issue of the rush, and the silent saw trick makes it easier than it would be otherwise, there are three issues with the suggestion, mostly related to how reliable the rush is regardless of RNG: (1) in order to make the rush 100% reliable, we had to take out the 4 kitchen guards, to ensure there was no risk of getting caught (and no need to play sneaky) regardless of the C4 spawns. Thus, we had no pager to spare to take out the cams, so this strategy wouldn't really be viable in a 100% reliable rush! (2) when the camera room spawns in the main lobby, it's very tricky to get in there and take him out! And also, depending on RNG pathing, you would need to wait for a good opportunity to enter the room, creating another opportunity for the rush to fail. (except for the middle room spawn, which is always 100% safe, but it's only 1 of 3 spawns, so again reliability issue) (3) furthermore, with one player inside the camera room, they would be unavailable to check their kitchen, so someone would need to get there somehow (preferably without needing to sneak around, otherwise the rushes become unreliable on the first step if things go wrong during the sneaking), so this would require more changes to the overall strategy!

@LegoAlex99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb mmm gotcha 100% reproducible strategy makes the extra work too much I get ittt Although I'd say that even if one heister is stuck in the cam room the one who is clearing the downstair kitchens can just do most of the work himself since they're connected easily, marking the one guard left even just once (or you can even place a quick trip mine) should be enough I think especially if you go Red Squares which offers some decent cover in the backside, and with cams being dead you don't even have to worry about them! And I mean since you're not even using the ECMs at this point and just pockets the possible delay for opening the doors won't be anything to worry about. That being said I can see that it's not as clean as your version. If the camera room spawns upstairs it can mess up the flow of the 2 heisters doing upstairs kitchens, you'd really just have to have one person strictly assigned to cams uhmm Would be cool to try out tho except that I just play solo ahah

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about reproducibility yup. Your modified suggestion is also very good: having one heister doing the whole downstairs, and two heisters doing the two separate kitchens upstairs, and finally one heister doing cams. However, this creates two new issues: (1) waiting a while until you can safely mark the guard who is left alive in the downstairs kitchen (and then going in while avoiding him) will indeed be very safe, but with his random pathing he might take a few minutes until he finally allows you to saw open all 5 doors, and if there's a single mistake by the player doing that, the rush is over! (2) sometimes 4-5 C4s spawn in the 10 green closets downstairs (e.g., our last run in the video). If a single heister ends up with too much C4, placing them takes a really long time: while 3 placed simultaneously takes 4s, placing 3 in a row by a single heister takes about 13s. Considering our full speed Second Wind run only had 12s to spare at the end, a situation like that would also fail the rush with no chance to recover. Overall I think it wouldn't be as reliable, but if the strategy with the custom PCM order hadn't worked, this would definitely become a very good strategy, and 100% worth pursuing! Basically this is what we've been doing these past few weeks: someone suggests a strategy to solve our current problem, and everyone else evaluates it! :D

@LegoAlex99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb Yep it's basically a more situational strategy I guess,if the camera room is upstairs you can just have 1 heister with a saw get that open and then resume to looking through the C4 with the other upstairs heister. Actually thinking about it since you don't need to roam upstairs to move bags it might be more convenient to instead leave one guard upstairs alive! My memory isn't the best with Alesso Heist but either way I'm sure the kitchen areas upstairs aren't as big as the ones downstairs (really you could just look at whichever kitchen area seems to easiest to navigate of the two and pick that one to leave with 1 guard) This gives complete access to downstairs and saves a pocket because everyone will wait for the cam guy to be killed so after that you can just blast the downstairs guards away. It's very situational and depends on the camera room spawns but if at least one player upstairs and one downstairs bring a saw then it's viable. If the camera room is downstairs it might be way harder and need a stationary guy in there. So in short uhh If camera room upstairs near the stairs then one of the two players assigned to that area brings a saw,kills the camera guy and easy work in just evading one of the guards in the kitchens. If camera room near pyro booth then similarly one of the players brings a saw and gets in there quickly (now I don't remember precisely but there might be a chance for civs to spawn there? If so that can be a problem..) either way the rest follows as the one above and the person in camera room just has to carefully make his way back to the upstair kitchens (this is indeed very RNG dependant) If camera room downstairs one player gets assigned to that area and remains in it until it's safe to kill everyone,if too much C4 happens to be all downstairs then I guess you can just notify the others and wait before picking it all up? Overall it's a bit messy and situational plus needs more coordination in chat but maybeeeee 😬 (I can definitely see it working very easily if the camera room spawns near big stairs tho I can say that) I think the advantage of not having to worry about cams could be worth it but I would have to do some checking myself I guess I'm too invested in it to give up aha

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely very situational! The main problem is that many of these situations require sneaking around from point A to point B to make up for the change in strategy. While sneaking around is easy, especially as the host, many situations would fail when the ping is high, or the player can't locate all the guards before moving out (can't really wait forever to play it safe during an ECM rush, or it ruins the point of the rush!), or if they move recklessly and get spotted... and whenever there's a mistake in the sneaking the whole rush has to be restarted! Overall, for a rush strategy you want the maximum reliability (no restarts at all for any RNG reasons), but something like this could definitely be pulled off, if only to showcase the alternative strategy once! And as I said this would 100% been the alternative direction, if the more reliable alternative didn't work out :)

Oh hi Marc! I have a question about doors and pager delay. I don't think that this would be practucal due to how hard the heist is, but can you saw the door if you'll drop the ECM chain for a short amount of time, using the pager delay? If this is possible, then it might be a way to pass kitchen problems with c4s and exits. ------ Also I tried to write something about how great your videos are in general, but this one is truly mindbreaking, I have no words

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Danilkin! First of all, happy to hear you've been enjoying the videos, and this one in particular too. Thank you very much! As for your question, this is actually related to a very interesting concept that could be used in very advanced rushes. If you have a very small amount of guards alerted & alive, you can definitely create downtime on purpose between your PCMs or ECMs, in order to unlock certain objectives during the downtime. For example, here, if there was an available window (where the end of a PCM lines up with no calls from any of the guards, for example) we could go for a short intentional downtime to open 4 doors simultaneously, assuming everyone was using saw builds. However, to answer your question, once the guards are dead, the trick no longer works. Unlike phone calls, which have a very clear point where they begin, and a point where they set off the alarm if there's no ECM, pagers waiting to go off have a hidden completely random delay. Thus, even a single frame of downtime might be enough for any number of pagers to go off, so intentional downtime is no longer a safe option. Hope that clears it up! :D

@danilkinilya1242

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcmb yep, very clear answer, thank you! Also, do you have any thoughts about using RNG manipulation mod, like the one PD2 speedruners use to simulate a perfect Alesso rush? (Maximum possible pager delay time, known position of guards, C4s, kitchen and pyros)

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! I don't think RNG Modifier can be used to alter pager delays and guard position, but you could definitely make the C4 and the pyros a lot faster. You could also choose the position of the vaults to make the cutter placement faster, so a run going for the theoretical fastest time (modified) would be quite interesting too!

Great video as always. I have a question: If killing an alerted guard makes him despawn after the unmasking process alerting the cam guard with an explosion and sniping him through the door would probably work right?

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you konstantinos, and glad you liked it! :D As for your question, unfortunately the camera guard is not included in the despawn mechanic, for some bizarre reason. He's the only exception, with everyone else despawning as expected. That was the reason why our plan A failed, even though we thought it would work for sure!

You could have tried to duplicate the cutters, i did it by accident while playing with a friend. Good rush tho! I didnt know this was possible

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there Niicko! Indeed, we could've tried to duplicate the cutters (quite easily too, since we had 3 heisters downstairs at all times, so there were plenty of opportunities!). However, considering how tight the timing for the rush is, we wanted a strategy that could be reliable 100%, without relying on duplicated cutters, so we decided to avoid that! Finally, glad you liked the rush, thank you very much :D

the stealth escape seems bugged (in a good way) when going loud, so Plan A might have worked. What happened: we did a stealth run the normal way. At the very end (we were 3), 2 of my teammates reached the escape, but then I ran into a guard and the heist went loud. The escape area stopped being highlighted but I still went to stand next to my teammates. To our surprise, a few seconds later the heist successfully finished. Date: 3 weeks ago. (May 2023)

@Marcmb

Жыл бұрын

Interesting observation VADemon! I'll test this ingame the next time I play. A long time I was standing at the escape waiting for my crew, but they ran into a guard and, even after coming all the way to me, the escape didn't trigger... There is one good thing though, which is that you can ECM even if the escape zone vanishes, and after about a minute, the van will arrive even if the alarm has not gone off!

What? It's just an ECM ru- OH MY GOODNESS

@Marcmb

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! Glad you liked it Shayne, thank you very much! This one turned out to be quite tricky :D