I work with a really solid Brazilian guy and I asked him if he knew about Freire and he became visibly irritated and went into a rant about how he destroyed the education system there.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

There is the other video on KZread, "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" with Chomsky, supporting Freire. And some posts from teachers in Brazil think he is great. I sure would like to hear your Brazilian friend critique that.

@davidromero2705

2 жыл бұрын

I do feel bad for Brazil. Riches to rags story. It's strange how socialists deny its failure, but if they owned it, it would be just another notch on their belt of failure/disaster.

@6898130

Жыл бұрын

He ist right. I mean the Guy who Had the rant. Just check the results of Brasil in Pisa or in any other comparative ranking in the world of Brasil's general education (or academic research). We are always in the worst ones behind much poorer countries. It is the result of ideological ideas like his. There is more truth in RESULTS and reality than any theory. just don't go through such black hole.

@crispassos9734

Жыл бұрын

I think so too.

@feijaohumanoide

Жыл бұрын

He did very much. Brazil is richer than many other Latin American countries, and some others around the world, but we perform abysmally worse in education than most of those countries... It's something that makes someone a little more studious very unmotivated.

I was introduced to his books on critical pedagogy during my senior year of undergrad. Having attended one of the most liberal universities in the U.S., my professors were obsessed with the Pedagogy of the Oppressed. I’m so glad to see you covering this!

Enlightening as usual, James. This explains the spewing of meaningless word salad out of the mouths of young people from schools of education, humanities, social sciences, etc. Keep on keepin' on Brother. You're the arsenal of realty.

@davidromero2705

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad he started his discourse. It's exactly what needs to be heralded in local politics.

...one of the few openly honest, unapologetic straight-shooters on the interwebz! thank you, James Lindsay, for answering the call to arms. we so needed an expert in keeping inventory, our only hope was for a mathematician, and the Powers That Be (PTB) provided. in order to combat an enemy, one must be acquainted with that enemy. as Bruce Lee popularized, the easiest (but most disciplined) method in defeating one's opponent is to transfer their energy against you right back at 'em. like a "i'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you" kind of thing. and important to remember -- these philosophers i.e. bored thinkers from the past -- did not intend their written theorizing to be future weapons for the malicious, nor for the severely disenfranchised. how could they? these theory writers were attempting to make sense of the world in their time, accented heavily when said theory writers were forced to flee their homes out of fear (of fill-in-the-blank). how does one process feeling as though you have been directly expressed from your happy place? making decisions based on limited responses to the actions of others? that's a lot to process. and one does feel some explicit singling out which puts them in the crosshairs... "i was just walking along, minding my own business, when..." the particular villains WE face are of a more camouflaged kind. guerilla warfare wasn't always a thing either. or it was, then it wasn't, then it was again. tit for tat, swing, pendulum, swing! ... lower case 't' they (whomever is a zealot for the cause of decimation for utopia) are our villains, and they need to be countered and corrected. we need to be able to specifically name their offenses and precisely declare our aims. i was just thinking today about how this molestation of words as their primary tool is asking directly for our enunciation of principles. forget the slogan mottos and just use words that describe each one. they keep kicking it back because we haven't been explicit enough. so what, everyone suffers from the feeling of severe disenfranchisement, we will keep getting nowhere if every single person lays claim to what they feel is owed them to right the wrongs. what we need to do is make our clear and concise declaration and then uphold it. by binding us in our adherence to said principles, their sneaky reach-around tactics will be consistently met with a ruler to the knuckles. the MEEK shall inherit the earth, not the WEAK. (or the Freak, or Sneak, etc.) ... * Rule #1 in child rearing (and we are dealing with childish tactics here) : when persistent in their attempts to push boundaries, reinforce those boundaries. never negotiate with a terrorist. and the toddler-mind is indeed just that.

@zxyatiywariii8

Жыл бұрын

Well said, I mostly agree except for one point -- I think, in their most bitter fantasies, that they DID want their theorizing "to be future weapons for the malicious." Misery loves company; and Marxism excels at tearing down people to the lowest common denominator, like in Harrison Bergeron.

I have library's worth of books on Critical Pedagogy that I'm working through now thanks to you. Thanks for all that you do!

@jackalcoyote8777

2 жыл бұрын

Why so many?

@jeremyponcy7311

2 жыл бұрын

The greater the grasp I have on this topic the greater the impact and the farther the reach. All of this sounds so crazy that without the proper tools it's casually dismissed as conspiracy. What better tools to be armed with than these people's own words and the ability to link these people's ideas together via their own sources?

@pesquer2211

2 жыл бұрын

Let me know if you want to start an online book club. I am very serious about studying this also. I’ve worked my way through pedagogy of oppressed and pedagogy of hope once. Now I’m working through politics of education. I’d love to meet likeminded people and discuss is zoom

@zxyatiywariii8

Жыл бұрын

This is encouraging to hear! The more we can learn about this, the better we can explain it to people, so they won't fall prey to this iteration of Marxism. This is the second time I've listened to this particular podcast, and James is the only person online with whom I DON'T speed up the audio.

From Wikipidia entry for Freiere: In 2012, Paolo Freire Charter High School opened in Newark, New Jersey. The state closed the school in 2017 due to lagging test scores and lack of "instructional rigor."[70]

@Disaletteritis

Жыл бұрын

Good!

@cristinagonzalez8945

Жыл бұрын

Standardized testing doesn't work. People teach to a test and students don't gain skills from it. I don't understand why people are so focused on tests created by non-educators who have no idea what is actually happening in the classroom. It doesn't make sense. Plus, countries that have adopted similar ideas to Freire are much more successful than the United States (Finland) yet we don't talk about what works for them. They are truly student-centered, focused on project-based learning, and have developed systems that allow learning. How has the United States been successful with standardized testing and industrial-like education? It hasn't worked. It's terrible! Schools in the U.S. are not modeled after Freire. There's an education success report from Washington where there was a long-term plan to address US failing education system---> focus on standardized testing during this time Finland was facing similar challenges. They gutted their system and rebuilt it. We decided to drill and focus on a model that would focus on testing and we failed. So I don't think our problem is Freire. It is our system! And the fact that we have killed innovation, creativity, and organic ways in which students learn. There are so many assumptions and false statements in this recording. They are opinions that we can unpack but they arent' truths. It sounds like it's motivated by political and personal views, which is fine but I wouldn't necessarily take it as truth. Of course, we can all believe what we want, but this is oversimplified and clearly shows that he has misunderstood Freire. I'll continue to listen because it's interesting to engage with an audio tool that disagrees with Freire while using a popular education tool to get his point of view across.

@nayrtnartsipacify

9 ай бұрын

@@cristinagonzalez8945 Standardized tests are not designed to teach or impart skills. They are designed to measure what information a student has retained. They certainly do work to measure understanding of math and reading comprehension. What did James say that was false or incorrect? Typically when he mentions someone ill look them up and corroborate what he is claiming and he is mostly spot on. i dont agree with everything he says based on his personal dislikes. For instance his revulsion of hermetisicim and gnosticism and occult magic while simultainiously recommending a system based on taoist geomancy. However i find most his insights to be pretty advanced and spot on.

Off to a slow start, as usual, James, but it gets very rewarding. I once dated a woman who adored Freire-- a religion indeed!

@TheWhitehiker

2 жыл бұрын

@@MynaaMiesnowan Just so; thumbs high.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@MynaaMiesnowan ..."teaching them vengefulness, and resentment against man." That is not good!

I'm an elementary school teacher. I've been told by multiple admin, supervisors, and people leading training that "The students passing tests don't need incentives or extra support because they'll be successful without them". This happened after I questioned why underperforming kids and those that frequently misbehave are the only ones we ever talk about and the only kids that get incentives. Schools are only interested in creating a uniform student product and are NOT in the business of pushing all learners to their individual maximal growth.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

That is one big reason I am so disgusted with what is happening. Education is becoming a race to increased mediocrity, not excellence.

Here in Brazil Freire is truly worshipped in the Schools of Education. He is a messianic figure whose works are subjects of exegesis like a holy book.

@jeanvaljean341

2 жыл бұрын

🤢

@highlightning6693

2 жыл бұрын

And how has that worked out for Brazilian civilization? I'm legitimately curious to know. I gather not very well.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@highlightning6693 Yes. I was wondering the same thing. The video "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" with Chompsky is of course the opposing side to Lindsay. Haven't watched it yet, but the comments show he is quite enamored, especially in Brazil. I can't get my head around much of this "philosophical" stuff. It simply sounds so pompous, and twisted. The way so many philosophers write is excruciatingly tiresome. Where I am at least they are alternatives like Waldorf, Montessori, etc.

@Seliz463

Жыл бұрын

@@serpentines6356 traditional classical education is also another alternative. If people don’t have access to physical classical schools, then there are robust online homeschooling programs with classical curriculum

James, I know you must be insanely busy, but I'm going to recommend you check out Carl Jung's Aion. I think you might find it interesting and tie into the larger picture. Long story short Jung wrote about the projection of Logos in the western mind and how that would then bring out its shadow opposite, the anti-Logos. Just seems to fit in with the larger picture. Anyhoo, keep up the good work.

@dontbothertoreply9755

2 жыл бұрын

yup modern satanism takes a lot of his ideas to it "Aeon", is a form of Zeitgeist, you guys are almost there, I know why people avoids the subject but let's see if Lindsay goes to Heidegger, for example he avoided most of the French, Sartre or Foucault which is a red flag as it is a red flag that Peterson and Lindsay seem to be too quiet about Russia, the problem is the left yes, but the real root lies elsewhere, blood and soil is what the new totalitarians go for.

@krisjones4051

2 жыл бұрын

Or just read the Bible and be gobsmacked at how it saw this nonsense coming from a mile away

@grekerbeer948

2 жыл бұрын

@@krisjones4051 but the Bible is transphobic 😭😭

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

What is logos? Tell me, Stop chasing Oblivion.

@stopchasingoblivion6175

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard You know, the waffles you put syrup on . . .

James, there is another Brazilian priest in this debacle named "Leonardo Boff" - who by the way was excommunicated from the Catholic Church - that is orders of magnitude worse than Camara (and is alive and kicking).

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@12:27 I think James is thinking of Matthew Fox who theorized "Creation Spirituality", and created a magazine with that title. I saw Fox speak, and liked him a lot. Yes, he got excommunicated too.

I went to my first School District DIE community meeting. You read, you hear and watch this stuff go on in other districts, but to sit in the room and watch this performed live by educators is disturbing. Then after a couple of dissenting shares, (me included...I was pretty shakey) to watch the worshippers bow to the heroes of education? Wow James. I posted the day after on a FB "what's going on around town," requesting info on next steps for input and challenged a few things. Right away the moderator was posting the code of conduct and people were freaking out. Word is that that bully pulpit is at work and I may be on an email list. I was wishing James had his ND Bat Signal for me to light up and have him soar into rural Wisconsin to slap some gray matter around. Then I began this series. Thanks James.

The pattern is like this: 1) Find various social problems, which will of course come down to abuse of power in various ways as that is what a social problem is. 2) Point out to people that it is important to understand the roots of these problems and act to remedy them. 3) Realize that there will be resistance from those in power of you wanting to do this... so far so good, this is all reasonable advice, but then 4) Give the absolutely most uncharitable and negative analysis of the problem including implying that society is absolutely rotten with no redeeming aspects. This is the step that can easily be seen as both wrong and contradictory. Wrong because it couldn't have evolved if it were all bad, and hypocritical because they first tell you that you have to reach your own conclusions, but then provide the one and only "right" conclusion. 5) Embrace various authoritarian approaches that centralize power, supposedly for the sake of limiting or destroying it, but never saying how. This step is completely contradictory, and is obviously so to any child. I believe this is tacked-on because it will indeed make their grift appeal to the rent-seekers who want centralized power and only by allying with them can their obviously garbage views (I believe intentionally garbage as, at root, they are pure destructive nihilists) be perpetuated/funded/enforced. The perpetuation is by other nihilists, the power-seekers that they claim to be fighting (this is the gaslighting that is built in to the entire approach) but want to use this as an excuse to gain more power, and lazy intellectuals who think they can strike a bargain with the centralized governmental rent-seekers and become like high priests who live by justifying the abuses of those in power. In short, it is a grift from jump street that is selling priest services to governments to help them justify authoritarian abuse under the thin guise of compassion ideology.

@Sneakyboson

2 жыл бұрын

And in this case the teachers are the 'useful idiots'.

@konberner170

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sneakyboson Ultimately the parents who trust that public schools are useful.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

Quick, time to call for a Christian heaven on earth!

@hsfbunny

Жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard isn’t that what communism preaches?

Mr. Lindsay, you are a titan! Your research, development, and delivery of this subject is OUTSTANDING. Entering into the education field (teacher) at the high school level as a second career late in life, I find that the influences of the Marxist ideology/religion are everywhere I look. I thought I was just being over-sensitive to these perceptions, being a first generation born American to a Cuban exile just as Castro solidified his hold onto Cuba. My mother was very vocal about the evils of Marxism/Communism and how it seems to be developing in this county, that was in the ‘70s. Then when you expanded on the connections between Camara and Pope Francis, my mind exploded. I have harbored suspicions that the current Pope was influenced heavily by a Marxist influence early in his development…now I can rest assured that my “gut” feeling was correct. The Catholic Church has been corrupted…I may be on the receiving end of a lot of incoming fire for that statement…but I stand by it. I will continue to go back into you previous podcast to continue learning more on where and how to “do my own reading” on this threat to our society. Thank you for being a beacon of light for truth…I place you up alongside others such a as Mark Levine as a solid and accurate resource for educational material.

@aaronwarner5492

2 жыл бұрын

Stalin infiltrated the Catholic Church nearly a hundred years ago. Then Bella Dodd. Then Henry Giroux. Ad nauseum. You’re seeing the poisoned fruit.

@aWomanFreed

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree about the Catholic Church

I love listening to your analysis James! Always enlightens!

In spite of your never having been a teacher, you have exactly described what is happening in US public schools today. ( thanks to Freire) I recently retired from teaching and suffered through this destructive indoctrination. But I refused to practice it in my classroom. I taught my students facts and skills. They scored very well on standardizes tests. But, of course, everyone knows standardized tests don’t represent what students know. Wink, wink.

@publiusdeciusmus1483

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry to hear about your troubles and retirement. I’ve taught for 14 years, fortunately I teach in a district where this sort of indoctrination is not pushed. I do see it in other’s teaching methods and am concerned. I wish you the best.

@hegemonycricket2182

2 жыл бұрын

He has done some teaching actually, he mentioned it in another video.

@MoonshineH

2 жыл бұрын

I just finished undergrad in one of the most progressive cities in the country. No "indoctrination" ever happened.

@sherbear8286

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoonshineH Uh huh.

@NorthernObserver

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoonshineH if you progress as an adult you later realize what they did to you and why they were doing it.

Incredible work James! You deserve a medal from The Congress.

@UBERLADEN69

2 жыл бұрын

As if an award from a horde of pedophiles & lying thieves would be suitable to the heroic work he cranks out?

@vicpso1

2 жыл бұрын

@@UBERLADEN69 one day history will vindicate his efforts

I'm currently reading "Pedagogy of the Oppressed". Until I listened to this podcast, my head was just an empty vessel, banking the information that Freire was depositing into my account. Now, thanks to James Lindsey, I'm reading it to critique Freire's work, learning my relationship to Freire's world and my place in it. LOL. Freire had no idea that we can also play at that stupid game. P.S. I was critiquing the book all along. Lindsey had nothing to do with that. However, Lindsey is a master at verbalising what I was thinking but found difficult to express. I really appreciate these lectures.

This episode of the New Discourses Podcast is available early for members. It will premiere publicly at 2pm EDT on Monday, April 11, 2022.

@JordanX767

2 жыл бұрын

Keep on trucking, James. 😁

@chelebeaqueen

2 жыл бұрын

@@JordanX767 indeed. he's like the 24/7 factory pumping out our stronghold weapons of defense.

@Disaletteritis

Жыл бұрын

If you want to add subtitles in Portuguese to these videos I am glad to help! You will probably get a huge brazilian following after.

One of your best. You are a high priest in this modern spiritual war we find ourselves in

I'm so glad that Glenn Beck and Allie Beth Stuckey introduced me to you and your work. The things you're discussing here, as well as in your conversations about CRT and gender theory, are a crucial piece I was missing to be able to understand what's happening in the world. Thank you so much, I'll be eagerly awaiting your next video on this topic.

Just when i thought my head wouldn't explode any more, I hear this. Thanks James.

World Upside Down Day used to be one day out of the year, our present Halloween tradition (although that, too, has been demolished). NOW EVERY day is World Turned Upside Down Day and we don't even get the fair play of one day a year for World Rightside Up. 😤

Thinking back (I'm an older man) I recall 'street level' educators becoming dismissive of "memorizing a bunch of dates and facts about history." It seemed odd at the time, but now it sounds like it was a byproduct of this. I think that was the late 80's it started. And after 40 years of life I've increasingly seen the value of knowing such dates, places, names, etc of history. It allows you to piece together a picture of history. To understand what has come before us. Knowing the timeline is crucial. So is the place it happened, the people involved in it, etc. THEN you're equipped to come up with new ideas beyond that. It's a crucial starting point to education, not the end point. Reminds me of something Jordan Peterson said, about music: you start out by learning how to play notes, then scales, then songs others have created, etc. After you've mastered that *then* you're ready to create new music, including breaking some of those rules of notes, scales, etc. Likewise with language. You learn the rules of spelling, grammar, essays, etc, then you're ready to get creative, deviating from the norms you were taught. A ground level of order is necessary to function in life, alone and with others. It doesn't deter creativity, it's a canvas for it. Didn't Fiere benefit from a structured education? Isn't that the basis of everything he did? His understanding of history, his ability to read and write, etc?

@UberAV

5 ай бұрын

It is likely that Friere benefited from the structured education that he worked to deconstruct for everyone else.

Sometimes I love technology, this is one of those moments. It is a privilege to be able to listen to someone like James Lindsey shinning light into these dark ideas. I am Portuguese and I knew about P. Freire but I preferred to read Olavo de Carvalho instead, a Brazilian philosopher that made fun of Freire and his methods. He died recently and was living in the USA, so I hope his books were translated into English so that more people may read them. Thank you so much for this podcast.

James, thanks to your video lectures I have come to realize something. CRT, Environmentalism, Transgender Rights, The Great Reset, etc etc etc, all of the issues/problems we are dealing with today, very often its The Same People/Groups at the heart of it. Too many people seem to obsess on a symptom (CRT, The Great Reset, etc) and not on the Disease. As you say Marxism 2.0, which is just the new flavor of the old lie of Marx & Engels. Some might say at this DUH! Of Course! For me this has been a recent 4-5 weeks ago revelation, not being all that bright. THUMBS UP!

I now understand why the Khmer Rouge targeted Uni Professors.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

I assume you are making a sarcastic joke

Mate cue "Vince McMahon" laser eyes meme . . . my goodness you're linking the whole puzzle together

Ok catch u in the next one.. Good vid

Is there an app that allows you to access all of the magazines articles referenced in Critical Turn In Education?

Theory: The Pedagogy Of The Oppressed Praxis: Evergreen State College

In my first education course in college I encountered a syllabus that stated "accept that objectivity is a white supremacist construct" as a standard. That was in 2017 and I knew woke was a problem. I've since graduated, taught for 3 years, and completed a masters program in curriculum and instruction and I cannot stress this enough: critical pedagogy is the root of all of the woke problems in america. You're doing the lords work james.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

So how did you manage to get through all that? How do you get hired, and do the job if you don't really go along with the bs?

@tn00bz

2 жыл бұрын

@@serpentines6356 it was present, but not super "in your face" in my teaching credential program. That mostly focused on what actually works. In my masters program I had a few professors that were fully into critical pedagogy and I mostly pushed back and said what it was: bull shit. Those professors would give me a B. Honestly college is a joke now a days. As for my job, I was hired by a guy who was reading Jordan b peterson and talked to him about it.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@tn00bz That's good to know it wasn't "in your face". Does "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" have ANY decent insights about education? Was he right about certain things? I have a friend who is a one on one student assistant kind of thing. I am quite concerned about what is happening in education, she isn't, stating it's only one teacher so far (in her son's class) that asked students what their preferred pronouns are. I am in a very "lefty" kind of area, and what I am hearing about our own JC, and city council sounds like a lot of wokey-dokey nonsense to me. The adults sound so incredibly weak. Our merit based schools are being dragged into lowering standards - (too many Asians, and Whites - which is racist of course to the wokey-dokey crowd), and that is so destructive. I just don't get it myself. I don't get why the heck so many educators would be enamored of people like Freire if Lindsay is correct about these things. Education seems to be turning into a joke to me too in so many ways, and it's quite disturbing to me. Really like Peterson myself. Have you watched Gad Saad? I think he is pretty cool. I am curious what subject(s) you teach?

@tn00bz

2 жыл бұрын

@@serpentines6356 lindsay is 100% on the money here. The woke stuff was not "in your face" when I was in school, but it was there. I was never told that some of this stuff was in a particular school of thought, it was just put forth as the truth. It hasn't been since I've gone and done the research my self that I realized that this stuff is so off base. And it is actively hurting kids. I teach 10th grades with a 4th grade average reading level. Even though I teach history, I spend much of my time teaching writing and note taking skills because these kids have literally never heard of those concepts. Older teachers are slightly more immune to this nonsense simply because they're not as aware, but younger teachers are basically indoctrinated to think in these terms. It's much worse than most people realise. I even think my generation (millenials) were hurt by this. I felt my masters degree was far too easy because I could call upon my "lived expirience" instead of an actual peer reviewed source and it was seen as legitimate. I tested it in nearly every class I took and it always worked.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@tn00bz Fourth grade reading level at the tenth grade!? Wow, that is frightening. I figured from some of what I am hearing that writing skills were becoming pretty bad. Have no idea what English teachers are even teaching these days. One teacher called into a radio show, he was retired but still tutoring, and said the reading material for the students was very bad. He didn't give specifics. There is a video "Pedagogy Of The Oppressed" with Noam Chomsky, and a couple other guys on KZread. I haven't finished watching it. It would be interesting to hear a critique on it since it is coming from the aspect of supporting Freire. I appreciate you writing back. I used to tutor younger children and would like to do it again.

Well done, man. People become redpilled, but You took it a whole another level.

i don't see the problem of interacting with the text really! are we suppose to believe everything we are taught? at least i do not see it as catastrophic ! i am confused

@MexAm120902

2 жыл бұрын

First you have to understand the text,i.e. what the author is saying before you go off critiquing it. This is the step the Freireians miss. They don't even bother to understand what's being said before they interpret it as an expression of society's power to co-opt people. This is why they are so often wrong about so much about how and why the world works as it does. This is also why they rarely construct or create anything that works. Their minds are impervious to learning because they think they know everything already.

@cobracommander8133

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don’t get it either. The problems with what Freire called “the banking system” of education, where people aren’t encouraged to think but just memorize things, seem like a legitimate critique.

13:27 As a Catholic, this doesn't shock me at all and it just explains so much! Makes a lot of sense why this "pope" suddenly started getting supported by mainstream media and why allowed idols to be housed in the vatican.

@Seliz463

Жыл бұрын

Fellow Catholic here, and this episode is making me want to stop ignoring Taylor Marshall

Hey, doc! I'm a wee bit slow but here goes... Thank you for your insights into neo-Marxism that I had no clue about. I especially like when you broke down the dialectic as being an operating system! All I knew was the dictionary definition of " thesis, antithesis, synthesis." Mea Culpa!!😜

James, I have a question that we can hopefully clear up. We know that dialectical processes are how learning happens. Piaget's theories of cognitive development suggest that our bodies of knowledge, our conceptual schemas, are compared with data input, and any inconsistencies or conflicts become resolved either through assimilation, accommodation, or rejection a la synthesis. How, then, would you nuance differences between, say, Socratic dialogical dialectics and the Hegelian theological dialectic? How do we recognize inherently dialectical processes without fetishizing and theologizing those same dialectics?

Absolutely great find and great podcast James! The Marxist religion narrative is really coming together. I had my doubts when you first brought it up in your podcast on Hegel, but Freire's work rivals the most adherent religious zealotry.

In South Africa's education system the terms student and teacher were replaced by educator and learner when the ANC came to power. It all makes a lot of sense now.

I have a client who attends MSU (MI state U) and he was wearing a T shirt with a Freire quote on it.

Finally, someone saying the truth about this awful man. I have never understood why americans and europeans loved him. Education in Brazil will take decades to recover from his ideas.

@12:27, I think James is thinking of Matthew Fox. He coined the phrase, and theorized, "Creation Spirituality", and created a magazine by that title. He ended up getting kicked out of the church. I really liked Fox. Saw him speak at a book tour in my area all those years back.

In the last couple of weeks I noticed that a lot of the information in the Wikipedia CRT has been deleted (mainly pertaining to its tenets, CRT’s overlap with critical pedagogy, its connection to educator Gloria Ladson-Billings, for instance). Perhaps a knowledgeable person can add some much needed neutral and academic information expounding on such topics to make up for the deleted sections.

Anyone else have background play issues on these members videos?

3:00 Prophet of Marxism 6:47 _The Politics of Education_ a collection of essays on Social Workers, educators of Adults 11:34 South America Liberation Marxism Don Helder Kamara - Pope Francis, - Charles Schwab *The Act of Study* 📖 15:12 16:57 Memorize OR “Critic” Society 19:58/21:52

@Vorgaloth

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, dude. We certainly need timestamps for these episodes.

I have to slightly change my mind after over an hour into the episode, where I live it's impossible to graduate from high school being functionally illiterate, not to mention reaching college*, and I assumed it was a universal thing. Faced with this reality I have to agree that undergrads don't deserve the right to ask > *My mom teaching in a special school (for deaf and mentally challenged children) encounters such students in secondary and, occasionally, "technical" school (vocational high school sort of thing). They're usually kids which weren't directed to the special institution early enough, usually due to the pressure created by ridiculous "anti-stigmatisation" and "integration" programs, and instead were "pushed through" with ministry going as far as changing exam requirements for them and teachers giving them good grades for no reason. They're often great at recognising patterns and repeating them, due to formalised way we teach kids to answer questions in so they tend to go under the radar for quite some time, until a good teacher who fears no principals (who get more money for the school by having a token special needs child) and education control agents, forces child's guardians to petition for admission to a special school.

I bought your book and two others . I want through the first chapter, was a recap on CRT pretty much IMO.. Witch is good .. So far so good, .. I'm actually going to finish reading bastiat before I continue either your book. Of I might flip flop between your book and Mrs halls book sovereign duty .. Not sure what I'm going to do yet. Umm the first chapter of your book was a real easy read IMO.. And for ppl who know nothing on CRT IMO reading the first chapter if your book I would assume woukd bring them up,to spread and prep them 4 the next chapters..

Symply the best ❤

What I have learned from these lectures that I find most interesting, is how much of these disciplines are simply giant circle jerks. They just continually build upon the premises of others when in my opinion so many of the premises are suspect. If the initial concept is so abstract that it can not be mapped to the world in any functional manner, building upon it only makes it that much more nonsensical. The subsequent paper writers and peer reviewers have already bought into the initial faulty concept completely, so they applaud any word salad that seems to justify the position that they already hold.

@remoman

2 жыл бұрын

They are literally built on fever dream conspiracy theories, no wonder they are always disastrous when forced into reality.

@lisamoag6548

2 жыл бұрын

All built on sinking sand .

There should be a medal for the mental gymnastics here.

All works become exciting comic-books, comic-books in which the reader is the exciting hero, if kids are taught to be critical enough. All the great works reduced to comic-book-- that's Freire's vision.

I do so love a Spaceballs reference in my advance Marxist deconstruction videos from Autistic Mathmaticians.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

Time to plow the fields. I love being on the human farm, too, brother!

1. I think this was not intended to directly teach to children or illiterates in this way thru a literacy program say, but to insist on pre-eminence or injection into the curriculum. So even though the whole system may be pulled down, they are educated ENOUGH thru tax $$$$$$ & abuse of capitalism that their program can win: The price is massive lies and trickery of self & others, & destruction of society. 2. You left out the teacher: the teachers are eating this stuff up, why and to what end? That is big. You left their motives & needs & drives out completely. Key player. And 3. Key to helping people more & more see how they are (Iron Law of Projection) not applying what they believe to themselves, that they are doing the EXACT thing they are claiming to criticize & challenge as bad. Thank you James. I need to buy the book.

I am a product of these teachings and I am scared to hell...

When I read "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" 20 years ago, I interpreted his ideas differently. I thought he was encouraging peasants (most of whom could not read where he was) to read and to do for themselves, instead of expecting the government "oppressors" to step in and help them. I also looked at the "banking"system of ed as not the best way to teach, as well. Memorizing is good as foundation knowledge, but people need to be able to think things through on their own. Also, reading for comprehension has never been needed more than today - he was actually right about a lot of things. He also stated that the "oppressed" often take on the characteristics of their "oppressors" (can you say BLM?) I don't think this is as nefarious as you are stating.

@aaronwarner5492

2 жыл бұрын

He references himself and his adherents as messiahs. Nuff said.

@ElfRightsActivist

2 жыл бұрын

Okay commie

@FlawlessP401

2 жыл бұрын

Teachers should teach facts not pontificate on morality and could shoulds or woulds

@drewsimon9652

2 жыл бұрын

The best lies have a kernel of truth. Much, if not almost all imo, of the criticism of the Rockefeller-designed Government Schooling is warranted. It is deserving of abolition, and I am much more harsh towards it than Lindsay is. But what he said regarding everything else about how this all stems from Marxian Theology is correct.

being one of 350 it is on us to now spread jame’s message…i’m up for the text.

@ New Discourses - Ever thought of adding subtitles in Portuguese? I would gladly offer to do the translation if you are interested...you would probably get true brazilian insights on the matter once you add the subtitles

I disagree with that Pythagorean approach (especially if we push it all the way to the undergrad/grad level studies) because it's very hard to teach people to question things and think critically (without capital c lol) after their formative years. And children at some point have a tendency to question and verify things which should be used to develop that curiosity and push it further instead of wasting their time, especially of those brightest among them, on teaching them to accept "lies for the children" (as Pratchett called this phenomenon), especially when they're in conflict with a more advanced degree of knowledge they already have due to extracurricular activities. That's a bit of an offtop though, since Freieri doesn't even brush that topic from what I remember, whenever it seems like he's going to say something vaguely corresponding with normal criticisms he pivots back into into his nutjob's ramblings within the same sentence lol

TBF James description of the "guru" aspect of false humility while preserving the method of the dialectic sounds like it could be a critique of scientific empiricism also. Do scientists present themselves with a similar false humility of just following the science? Isn't any falsified research swept aside by pointing to the continued soundness of the empirical, scientific method? If the guru problem is such a major issue, how do we avoid the same critique?

@relaxingsounds1386

2 жыл бұрын

False equivalence.

@KingRyanoles

2 жыл бұрын

@@relaxingsounds1386 Can you defend why? Genuinely wondering. I think the scientific method is superior to the dialectic, but it does seem like both may be vulnerable to the particular point James made there. What am I missing?

@__loafy__

2 жыл бұрын

James talked about Foucault's idea of "bio-power" a few times, as it relates to consensus in medical science. that's something you could look into

1:23:08.. Word

it feels like its Klaus Schwab plan

I had an art teacher that would say you have to know the rules before you try to break them

This sounds like it’s just ideas of a subjective nature finding excuses for it’s failure not by pragmatic approach. But rethinking it’s strategy using the same formula going around in circles.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, time to raise more forests, and live in them. More white children for the fields!

@MrBurns.

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard what would another way to phrase that just to clarify your meaning?

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrBurns. There is no other pragmatic approach other than what is ontic [Heidegger proved this], and what is constructive [everyone from Plato, to Descartes, to Kant, et al., already confirms this] - everything is subjective and at once objective. Things just are. Try and "improve" anything too much, you simply dovetail into catastrophe.

@MrBurns.

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard I would say that objective reality is not ontological. Neither are things that can be measured; which can be proven true, or false, which is the difference between “objective”, or “subjective” reality. Anyone basing their world view on theory, and conjecture instead of the verifiable, or empirical is bound to encounter contradictions.

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard Well, the Greenies in Germany are so enamored of the bird killing machines (aka windmills) they are planning to raise a forest, and replace it with those bird grinders. That's nice.

Ok so let's apply Freire to Freire

James "I don't do short" Lindsay

James - work on GETTING TO THE POINT. Anyone I share this with will tune out after 10 minutes of you saying the same thing over and over. It's "all Freire", we get it...

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

For a good, basic, overall video on KZread addressing these cultural messes, I highly recommend Ayaan, Hirsi Ali's, "The Market For Victimhood." Quite good in my opinion. I think your friends will be fine with that.

critical as in Dialectical

Take a drink every time he says Freire.

1:03:00. Boy ain't that true

Issue is, if you abandon the dialectic, you are left with only revalation. Are you prepared to accept that?

My take at the point you made at around 53:10. I think this is the closest he can get to saying ‘minorities are going to be the tools to bring in the revolution’ as in cannon fodder or usefu lidiot.

@yayothakid8132

2 жыл бұрын

*should Not matter

@hegemonycricket2182

2 жыл бұрын

@@yayothakid8132 you can edit your comment, if that's helpful.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

@@yayothakid8132 You comment is so ironic, it's hysterical.

@highlightning6693

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard I'm gathering that you're the requisite Marxist trolling the comments?

@serpentines6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard "Your". You are welcome for the correction.

59:45 Why do we have to remove the two letters "un-"? The theory can propagate itself through unconscious agents by evolving antigens that hook onto subconscious emotional systems. Where there is a niche, nature will fill it.

1:08:43. iPad needs charging..

sitting in an English tutorial in 3rd level university and tutor brings this up, I'm like STFU, don't pick this tutor next semester!

Spotless cheers

Horrible what you find crawling underneath when you lift a stone.

"Political Ponerology" by Andrzej Łobaczewski

3:05.. Holy crap.. Really. OK boing..boing..boing

Coolio again.

Looks like Hyman Roth with a beard

This guy looks like "the mandarin" from iron man 3. "You'll never see me comming".

Ben Kingsly . .

Paulo Freire's affinities caused me a lot of hardship. It is quite toxic .

I've long referred to most of what these people are doing as just an art collective that got together and are making up all kinds of shit. Lots of it is really fuzzy, magical thinking. Damn... these Frieri podcasts are so brilliant. This is time around I'll listen to all of it until I feel that James is repeating himself.

The one teacher I worked with who was a follower of Freire was the closest thing I've ever met to a sociopath. He was also an extreme narcissist.

Palo looks like a Smurf !!!!!

at around 50:00 so, what? -- are we gonna have to establish a lower-middle class nobility now?? 🤪

No wonder these people can't keep or find a job when they graduate.

Freire looks like he held non-academic jobs that actually and directly benefited society.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

Nignored.

@plinyelder8156

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard good for you!

I love learning ideological basis for these corrupt fields. I don’t expect the masses of useful activist idiots have in-depth knowledge of this. I expect that many are being socially/psychologically manipulated by the “educated” class. Uncovering the methods used may be another vector to combat the proliferation of this nonsense.

It’s literally learned idiocy. No wonder everything is breaking down in our society.

Obligatory Comment!

Such a betrayal of the students.

harry or Thomas from lotus eaters (I always mox them up)was in a brief twitter spat with you last week I think you called him reactionary and I think you probably meant reactive or overreactive. he thought he was being helpful in making your words perhaps flow tighter and more concisely and seemed to think you used reactionary as a leftist insult. maybe y'all shouldn't fite tbh

@whatisaman689

2 жыл бұрын

James should abandon twitter. All woke literature and THAT... We need him to remain sane.

@hehheh382

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatisaman689 yeah from the way it was described on the lotus eaters podcast last week it appears that James may be getting a lot of noise there. probably a balance would be helpful

@__loafy__

2 жыл бұрын

James has to fend off a lot of alt right NRX reactionary guys a lot, they're like cockroaches always trying to get attention. If you were mistaken for one of them it might be a you issue. Sargon is also a weirdo with a checkered past, so tbh I'd distance myself from him too

@NorthernObserver

2 жыл бұрын

@@__loafy__ James really should consider the merits of no enemies to the right. His current reflexive aversion to the “unacceptable” is self sabotaging.

@__loafy__

2 жыл бұрын

​@@NorthernObserver it's not a team sport, not everyone thinks politics is a race war, and nobody's entitled to friends.

I get such an inclination to just apply freirian critique to Paulo Freire’s work and see what his motivations are. These people make me sick. I seriously think they just talk about themselves and project it to the rest of society.

@CynicalBastard

2 жыл бұрын

So do you. That's the funny part.

@k_tess

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard Example or you're just spewing bullshit, like a woman and a Marxist.

The fact that this video only has 20,000 views does not fill me with hope I won't despair but it's so frustrating to see smart and what I would otherwise consider to be good people repeat the talking points of some of the worst people to ever exist.

Just check the results of Brasil in Pisa or in any other comparative ranking in the world of Brasil's general education (or academic research which is not that great either). We are always in the worst ones behind much poorer countries. It is the result of ideological ideas like his and his influence in pedagogy here is enormous. There is more truth in RESULTS and reality than any theory. just don't go through such black hole you will decay.

The trouble with Lindsay is that listening to him fulminate against Marxism makes me more and more excited to GET ON BOARD with the Marxist project. WHICH IS WEIRD, because I'm a very conservative teacher of Greek and Latin; I'm the re-boot disk for when civilization falls apart.

@UBERLADEN69

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like your data files are corrupted

@samuelboucher1454

2 жыл бұрын

Huh??

@Sneakyboson

2 жыл бұрын

ummm... what?

@mrminer071166

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sneakyboson James started out in a very rational place, as a Math Ph.D.. I can respect that, since my first degree was in Math. Over the last few years, he's been getting to be more and more of a demagogue, less and less rational. He's very active every day trolling on Twitter. So I'm trolling him back -- even tho I'm conservative -- but accusing him of being a PROPAGANDIST FOR MARXISM, rather than the brave knight slayng Marxist-nonsense left & right.

@MexAm120902

2 жыл бұрын

James is not a demagogue. But I think he understands that a forceful presentation and strong mockery against this nonsense is necessary in order to overcome it. Milquetoasts won't win this civilizational war.

Funny that you criticize freire for incentivizing people to read theory with the author's context in mind, and then you do exactly that about Marx to say that he is messianic...

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