Patrick's work is fascinating, to say the least. Personally, I'm unconvinced that his research negates free will.. What he is showing is simply what biologists would predict, namely that decision making is a WHOLE brain effort with cascading temporal inputs, obviously nothing can happen all at once..Certainly when playing chess there are deliberations (Decisions) that are derived from the very CONSCIOUS considerations of the frontal cortex, while other "decisions" like the sudden withdrawal of the hand from an unexpectedly hot object serves our evolutionary survival chances by enabling shortcuts. Still, this just points out that the brain is complex in its functioning as opposed to the unsupported notion that free will is not involved..A humble opinion..

There is free will, but it's limited by genetics, early childhood development, life experiences, and extant biases at the time of decisions. There simply is latency from the time "we" decide on a choice and that decision becoming conscious. It is still "our" brain and "we" directed our "self" to decide one way or another. "We" are neural networks, so when the "we" neural networks are configured and active to a specific choice among alternatives, then specific brain structures "light up" prior to "us" being conscious of the decision. "We" did make the decision using "our" free will (subject to the defined constraints).

@matheuspadilha2143

Жыл бұрын

even though I know that my unconscious starts to decide first and only later does consciousness arrive I am still the one who chooses but I believe that 95% of our decisions are taken by our unconscious self this is a way for our brain to save energy and use that free will only in really important occasions

@georgegrubbs2966

Жыл бұрын

@@matheuspadilha2143 I agree with that, maybe more like 99%, but I'm not sure about the motive being to save energy.

@matheuspadilha2143

Жыл бұрын

@@georgegrubbs2966 I'm also not sure if the reason is to save energy it's just a guess

@defenderofwisdom

Жыл бұрын

Then we have a limited, conditional will.

@georgegrubbs2966

Жыл бұрын

@@defenderofwisdom Yes, that's a concise description.

“decisions” become more and more unconscious as shorter they are. We do plenty of our daily business on auto pilot. It would be interesting if we have free will and decision authority in the case we have time for the full sequence: weighing, wanting, trying, succeeding

1. There is no true free will in that our particle arrangements make our decisions first then force the action as a secondary affect, and 2. If we do indeed live in a block universe time-wise then everything is deterministic ... Free will is an illusion, however persistent

@WoolandFlax

Жыл бұрын

No one no this for sure one way or another. So we probably shouldn't be stating theories as absolute facts.

@psterud

Жыл бұрын

I think there's some truth to what you say. But I'd also guess that things are a whole lot more complicated than that. I've been a fan of determinism for a long time. Soft determinism, which is a combination of nature and nurture, basically, and those are the two things that affect our "choices." But I also understand that at least on the subatomic level, the universe is probabilistic. Therefore, the universe appears to be deterministic and probabilistic at the same time, and I think this is fine. They are coordinated somehow, which seems to be a problem of scale. The thing about the human brain is that it's macro and micro at the same time. Our sense of free will comes from the macro deterministic part, but the mechanisms are likely from the micro probabilistic part. What we perceive as a "choice" seems real - it is not an illusion - but what we are doing is affecting some sort of collapse of the wave function on a quantum level, which is entirely probabilistic. So, therefore, does free will exist? Yes. And no. Simultaneously. I personally feel that humans are not normally equipped to internalize paradoxes like these, but the universe appears to be absolutely rife with paradoxes, so to attempt to understand them as such is in our best interest. The Zen Buddhists are great at this, by the way.

@MusingsFromTheJohn00

Жыл бұрын

The universe is not superdeterministic. There is uncertainty which comes into the universe on the same scale that determinism comes into the universe, on quantum scales, and both determinism and uncertainty have great effect on all of existence from those quantum scales through cosmic scales of the entire Observable Universe and beyond. So, all our decisions were not foreordained since the Big Bang, free will is not an illusion, it has been clearly observed and proven to exist for a very long time, and the real issue comes when some people want to define free will as something it is not instead of what it is.

@VikingTeddy

Жыл бұрын

You can sometimes observe it fleetingly. Sometimes an action seems to precede the decision to make it. I've often noticed when playing video games, it's spooky. Iirc there's been studies proving that action precedes intent, right?

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

@@VikingTeddy Yep it's weird to think about but your "decisions" are already made before your brain even knows about it. Not necessarily in a backwards causation sort of a way but in time being a block sort of way, where all possibilities exist infinitely into the past & future

Neural pathing combining reflexive complexes with fine motor control processing could produce results that appear precognitive. For example a zen practitioner who is also a samurai, they learn to move without thought

Hugh Grant makes some excellent points.

What a thrill to be listening to the most intelligent minds of our time. Can you do something about the poor audio quality? Let’s get the room echo down a bit and please clean the dialog. Those mouth clicks are gross, and common to the videos recorded in this space. Simple Gobos for isolation or find a quieter location and better post audio please these conversations deserve it.

Awareness without free will would be absurd.

@brothermine2292

Жыл бұрын

Why absurd? Why is it more absurd to be aware of the brain's thinking than to be aware of the brain's sensory perceptions?

@synystera

Жыл бұрын

Awareness is a mirror for reality. Awareness plus a calculation/prediction device such as a brain is what gives the illusion of free will although all the "willing" is already predetermined by the preexisting neurological states within said brain as a reaction to the perceived reality.

@ianwaltham1854

Жыл бұрын

​​@@brothermine2292 Determinism would make everything absurd for the following reasons: 1/It would mean the events of our lives are being played out without us being able to effect them. So we may ask: Why put any effort into life at all if we can't change anything? And yet paradoxically we know our lives would go down hill if we didn't put any effort in. 2/It would contradict how human beings behave. Its all very well believing in Determinism in theory but in practice we blame each other for things all the time and children are told to try harder in school. If I were to punch a Determinist on the nose then burn his house down do you think he'd say: Ah well, that wasn't your fault because it was predestined to happen at the start of the universe. Of course he wouldn't. He'd be cross and may seek revenge. 3/Free will can't exist without consciousness but can consciousness exist without free will? Why would consciousness evolve into existence in a deterministic universe? Why would it be necassary? A deterministic universe would contain mindless automatons not conscious beings.

@thomassoliton1482

Жыл бұрын

Do you think dogs are absurd? Do you think we have free will and dogs don’t? Where is the dividing line? Octopi? Ants? Free will is just a hang-up. You don’t need it. Excess baggage. The only time you are not free to do something is when you are wondering whether you are free or not to do it.

@ianwaltham1854

Жыл бұрын

@@thomassoliton1482 I would say free will is a property of consciousness and dogs are definitely conscious. Dogs behave as if they experience emotion and consciousness is a requirement for both free will and emotional experience. To anyone who denies dogs are conscious I would say this: Why would the appearance of emotional experience evolve in any animal? What advantage would that give? Isn't it much more likely that any animal that appears to be experiencing an emotion actually is? So free will is a property of consciousness and all living beings are conscious. That doesn't mean we can do whatever we like because we have both physical and psychological constraints. You said: "The only time you are not free to do something is when you are wondering whether you are free or not to do it". That statement suggests free will where the wondering is a self imposed constraint.

NTS 8/u Can this channel describe the date of the recordings in the description please?

William James held that the role of conscious thought is to "load the dice" in favor of adaptive responses. If he was correct consciousness is more programmer than responder. That means the Libet-style experiments are trying to derive information about "freedom" from the wrong end of the process that ends in a particular response. Moreover, a response with no substantial consequence for the responder is unlikely to ever be considered in the "programming" phase of deliberation... As I type I hear Mr Haggard concede this second point.

I think we are looking for free will in wrong places and processes. Decision making is intellectual process and it comes from brain. What I'm more interested in is will to make decision, will to continue after a failure, will to remain alive, will to not surrender etc. Where exactly is that originating from?

The idea that free will is an illusion is NOT well thought out. If that were so, then there can be no basis for a moral judgment. No right or wrong. How can you blame someone for punching you in the nose? They didn't have the free will to do anything else. The verb to "decide" is meaningless. Think about EVERYTHING you have ever done. You never made a decision to do any of it because to decide means you were free to decide. No one could be held accountable for any of their actions. To try to persuade someone that free will is an illusion is an oxymoron. They have no choice but to think what they think.

The problem I see with his experiment is that he seems to be trying to make a sharp boundary over a particular action between the conscious mind making a decision versus the subconscious mind making a decision when (1) both the conscious and subconscious are part of the whole mind and (2) the conscious mind is a swarm intelligence that is created, supported and intricately interwoven with subconscious swarm intelligent parts specific to that conscious part of the mind and then in addition to that there are other subconscious swarm intelligence parts of the mind that are not directly interacting with the conscious part of the mind... and all of these sub-swarm intelligent pieces combined together make up the entire swarm intelligence of a single person. So, it is not that easy to differentiate free will only for the conscious part of the mind versus free will for the whole mind as a whole system.

This interview points to the nature of consciousness. The EEG measures the electrical activity of the brain from outside the skull. At 7:45 he speaks of how much better accuracy surgeons have when they place electrodes directly in the brain, but those electrodes are still too bulky to measure the activity at the individual neuron level. Haggard concedes they have no idea how the free will decision is made; they just can read the electrical activity resulting. (Read on) Here is the hypothesis based on Faraday’s Law of Electromagnetism: Our spirit, occupying the same 3-dimensional space as our brain, can “read” the electrical activity of each individual neuron by reading the electromagnetic field around that neuron. Likewise, the spirit can stimulate a neuron by generating a field around it. This linking of our spirit with the neurons of our brain is what consciousness is. Disrupt the brain and the link is thrown off and you are unconscious. Evidence of a separate spirit is seen in the hundreds of thousands of Near-Death Experiences. Now you have an understanding of consciousness and that of free will, which originates from our spirit, finally getting us Closer to Truth.

@mikel4879

Жыл бұрын

gordonq8 • When you took in consideration the ( non-existent ) idiocy called "spirit" then you fu***d up any possibility for you to correct understand this subject.

@thomassoliton1482

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever been in a NYC subway? Did you sense anything different? No, despite the enormous electric fields generated by the rails. Those fields are so stong they disrupt magnetic brain recordings 3 blocks away at NYU. So if your “spirit” is reading the electric fields of your brain cells in the subway, why aren’t you going crazy? Presumably the spirits of people immolated in the nuclear explosion of Hiroshima were not destroyed - or were they? Did those people “lose” their souls? If not, how could such tremendous forces fail to affect “spirit”, whereas the spirit can infuence neurons right down to the molecular level. Ask your self, if you have the will to do so, why do you feel compelled to believe in something so irrational?

@gordonquimby8907

Жыл бұрын

@@thomassoliton1482 @thomassolition1482 Because we do not understand something, that does not make it irrational. You may not be aware that this very same researcher, Haggard, in a Closer to Truth interview on "Mysteries of Free Will" spoke of experiments with Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation where, using magnetic coils next to the head, researchers could stimulate motor neurons with very brief but strong electromagnetic fields so that they could stimulate the brain to move a subject's hand. Other researchers can influence the visual cortex of the brain with external magnets so as to block the perception of color (the person would only see in grey scale), or inversely to see colors that were not there. So my hypothesis has some basis in science. No one doubts Faraday's Law of Electromagnetism, nor that neurons use electric currents. How is it irrational to put those two together? And, yes, those poor souls who were killed in Hiroshima did "lose" the spirit-brain connection upon their death (as we all will), but their souls are immortal. Consider, if you will, that it is thought there may be as many as 11 dimensions. What is happening in the 7 beyond the 4 dimensions our science can measure? It would be irrational to assume there is not aspects to our reality that are a part of those additional dimensions. There is ample room for the spirit within modern physics. What's more, all the neuroscientists say they don't have a clue what consciousness is, nor do they have a clue how to have a clue. Perhaps those who deny the possibility of a spirit are the ones who are being irrational.

I wonder if handedness was controlled for in this research?

So with this study who will decide if we should go left when we want to go right?

@synystera

Жыл бұрын

Skynet :)

Is intention purpose? Can we not imagine any action as involving minimal brain activity, without any "deliberate", slow moving activity? If purpose becomes automatic as when we ride a bike or type or read then is it intentional? Isn't it only in learning that purpose and intention become one?

It was stated on this channel that decisions where made under the hood before they where actually made by making a choice which suggests that stuff like our ''free'' will decision is the last one in a chain of processes. This comes on top of other stuff that makes ''free'' will rather questionable like forces of nature, inner drive, collective drive, psychological compulsive/habbit drive.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with your conclusions friend.. Isn't it possible That both "deep brain" AND frontal lobe decisions play essential roles in our survival? IF so, how does this negate the the FRONTAL lobes capacity for free will or as I like to say, free agency ? Peace.

@fortynine3225

Жыл бұрын

@@Bill..N As i point out there are just way to much limiting factors..and it is a long list...going on to make free will the force people claim it to be.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

@@fortynine3225 Fair enough..

a cognitive action by the human brain (choice) before becoming consciously aware of experiencing free will?

It’s clear that those that think they don’t have free will actually don’t. Proof of that will be found in the responses to this comment. I already know how they are going to respond. They can’t control it.

daily reminder that there is no free will.

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

Жыл бұрын

*"daily reminder that there is no free will."* ... You have _freely chosen_ to believe there is no free will.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

​@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC No he didn't. The reality that free will is an illusion made the "decision" for him

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

​@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC no he didn't, he doesn't authorize his neurology

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

Жыл бұрын

*"no he didn't, he doesn't authorize his neurology"* ... As long as he "chooses" to be alive, he authorizes his neurology. He could also end all neuroactivity whenever he freely chooses.

@leocarbaugh5074

Жыл бұрын

You're funny lol

Am I the only one who has no idea how this is relevant to the question of free will? So there is a neural pattern which corresponds to a decision, and it happens prior to the person physically acting out the decision? Ok, what does that have to do with whether the action is freely decided? If the decision is free, you have to decide to do something prior to the brain initiating the physical process of doing it, so the relevant question is whether the decision itelf was made prior to the deterministic neural patterns which correspond to the decision.

conscious awareness of free will as experience?

The Skeksis are the ones who know it all.

🎉👍

The illusion of free will seems similar to the illusion of the arrow of time. My question is whether there are malicious actors seeking to exploit this fault of humans in order to control, injure or steal from them.

@kos-mos1127

Жыл бұрын

Powercenters such as government and religion is that they exploit humans ignorance.

I actually assert that we do not have free will or free will choice that is free from the influence of culture, upbringing, biases, ignorance, and etc etc etc.

If anyone believes they have free will; that 'they' are the purposeful, deliberate creator of 'their' thoughts, they need only close their eyes for a few minutes and watch their own mind at work. Stop thinking for five minutes. No? Five seconds? No? If YOU create those thoughts, why don't you just stop your incessant creating. Another nice experiment, is to ask yourself, with a sudden stop- 'What will my next thought be?' We have no idea. We observe our thoughts, but we don't 'think them'.

@ianwaltham1854

Жыл бұрын

You are wrong. You mentioned the thoughts and images that emerge from the subconscious then said because of them we don't have free will. Yet, due to an act of free will you used you're conscious mind to construct a logical argument on why you think free will doesn't exist. Amusing. If we didn't have any conscious control over our thoughts we wouldn't be able to solve problems or work anything out at all. Sure, there may be some background noise bubbling up from the subconscious but you can choose to ignore it.

@CesarClouds

Жыл бұрын

I have met people who truly have no thoughts. (Sarcasm)

There's no free will. Sometimes I'm astounded by what comes out of my mouth or what i did.

@qrious786

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my experience. But who's "I" which is astounded. And what's this "astounding" experience? And who exactly experiences it? And why it feels so unique and not anything physical?

@WoolandFlax

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you need to learn self control more than anything lol

@larsfaye292

Жыл бұрын

That just means you're alive, but unconscious. You should seek to resolve that.

@qrious786

Жыл бұрын

@@larsfaye292 he wrote that unconsciously? 😁

@myce-liam

Жыл бұрын

@@qrious786 Yes, he's still living in 2022.

If you have no free will, just driven by physical laws beyond your control, why do you need to think or need to be aware to decide what choices to make ? The action should be AUTOMATIC beyond control, no different than a robot driven by a program, right ? This alone dismantles your nonsensical view. Have faith to save your soul before it is too late....

I can only begin to think about a concept of free will in terms of degrees of freedom without regard to any absolute notion which would clearly seem to not exist.

@WoolandFlax

Жыл бұрын

This perspective appears more plausible and may align more closely with reality than viewpoints that claim there is no such thing as free will. However, we cannot be entirely certain about the existence or non-existence of free will. If free will does not exist, it would likely be easier to observe and measure compared to a situation where free will does exist. In such a scenario, we would be able to accurately predict events with complete certainty, especially with advanced techniques for investigating this absence of free will. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that the concept of free will operates on a continuum, rather than an all-or-nothing proposition.

Free will is a product of wishful thinking that we sometimes imagine we fulfill when conditions and actions seem to confirm it’s existence.

@mygamecomputer1691

Жыл бұрын

No. Freewill exists much in the same way our gradual understanding of quantum theory exists where it is a wave until it is observed. And then the decision is made. Until it’s observed no decision is made.

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

​@@mygamecomputer1691 eh

@KingJorman

Жыл бұрын

@@mygamecomputer1691 you get a 10/10 for imagination

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

Жыл бұрын

@@KingJorman *"you get a 10/10 for imagination"* ... Why does he get a 10/10 for imagination and not just his brain?

@WoolandFlax

Жыл бұрын

No one no this for sure one way or another. So we probably shouldn't be stating theories as absolute facts.

Well, depending on my identity, you need my permission first before "removing" reasons from my computer. Or else, I may not purchase the computer at all.🙂

If my unconscious mind makes a decision, it is still a part of my mind making a decision.

"Free will" is the name that people give to their lack of understanding of neural function.

When you instruct the person to do either this or that, you actually destroy his free will. He might decide to do other things than you prepared him to do things of options given. Do not prepare his mind.

He’s overthinking it.

No Worf they are talking about minority reports.

I choose to believe in the Intellective facility that is 'freewill' although is only potiential. If freewill were actual, it might not be as true concerning in contemporary with laws and nature. The utility in Reasoning, considering, contemplating, categorizing, inquiring, thinking, so in accordance with that which is most True, Pure, Necessary, and congruent with Divine order, Soul and then Body, is the potientiality that is Freewill. To believe there is no freewill is self sabotauge and cowardice.

Free will is inherited with the DNA.

@chromakey84

Жыл бұрын

Please explain

@kallianpublico7517

Жыл бұрын

Just like IQ? Morality? Don't be ridiculous. Genes are the opposite of will, otherwise Lamarckism would be just as famous as Darwinian evolution. If we inherit will through genes then what in genes makes us smart or racist or funny? Indeed what in genes makes us athletes, accountants, construction workers, actors, scientists, cartoonists, pizza delivery drivers, garbage men, etcetera? All the things we do (will) are prescribed by who we are (dna)? Hurry up and find that flying car inventor gene or the time travel gene...ridiculous. Who we are as organic beings (dna) doesn't determine our relationship to each other does it? My dna doesn't determine your genetic potential does it? Especially if you live on another continent or planet. Plants and insects and dinosaurs also have genes, no religion and democratic government for them? When you find that talking gene could you implant it in that immortal jellyfish, I've always wanted to know what something that lives forever is concerned about.

@markb3786

Жыл бұрын

Do simple organisms inherit free will with their DNA?

@jamessmith989

Жыл бұрын

@@chromakey84 God is free...

@kallianpublico7517

Жыл бұрын

@@jamessmith989 Are humans as free as god? Are we not bound by time and space? Is dna not bound by time and space?

I'm so glad God gave us free will, otherwise there would be no explanation for evil.

✝️ *God loves you. He offers you forgiveness of your sins.* ✝️ Repent and believe in the gospel *And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.* Hebrews 9:27‭-‬28 NKJV ✝️ The gospel of Jesus Christ *For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,* I Corinthians 15:3‭-‬4 nkjv

There is free will. Just because our physical mind doesn't become aware of what we choose until we start to make that movement, that doesn't negate the extradimensional being of our spirit from beginning the whole process.

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

The spirit is a goat with the head of a bear

@synystera

Жыл бұрын

where's the freedom in this if the action is caused by, as you call it - "our spirit", and not *us* ? Isn't saying that something extradimensional is controlling our actions deny free will in the first place?

@robertjoyce5629

Жыл бұрын

@@synystera Hi Igor, your mistake is to think that our spirit is not really us.

@synystera

Жыл бұрын

@@robertjoyce5629 I'm just drawing conclusion from your first comment. You say that our physical mind doesn't become aware of what we choose until we start to make that movement. So who is 'us' that initiates the movement and can we really call it free if we can't even be aware of it? Calling it 'spirit' or a 'flying spaghetti monster' won't make a difference.

@robertjoyce5629

Жыл бұрын

@@synystera Igor, what if there are dimensions higher than those we can sense with our physical senses? Our current dimension is part of all higher dimensions, just like a plane is part of the third dimension. There is a part of us that we insensible to, but it still exists.

We no more have “free will” than does a blade of grass that breaks through the ground seeking sunlight to feed its chloroplasts.

We must have free will, because without free will we can not explain moral values, we can not explain what is good or what is bad ? In our society there are rules and regulations but what is the foundation of these rules and regulations? We have to consider about objective truths otherwise we can not fix any scale about good or evil.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

Morals are an illusory, human construct. Nothing more than evolutionary designs to either further or decrease the survival of our species. If you can picture a reality where a "moral" can exist without a god, then it is simple evolution... If you can't, it's a human construct with no basis in true nature

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

We intrinsically want less suffering in the world. This does not require "free will".

@markb3786

Жыл бұрын

Evolutionary pressure pushes us to survive. This also pushes us to work for the well-being of our species so that it/we survive. Free will is not required.

@ianwaltham1854

Жыл бұрын

​@@markb3786 You said "This also pushes us to work for the well-being of our species". Does that statement describe an act of free will? Does putting effort into something require free will?

@fortynine3225

Жыл бұрын

Separation of state and church actually is about separation of state and objective moral truth (what is reasonably true) so those in power have lots of freedom to call something good or bad when they want to. With population being ok with that since it also does not like objective moral truths. No free will here..all about primitive fear of what is right which drives us time and again in the wrong direction as a people.

The *default reality* is that we make decisions based on our own, subjective criteria. There is no _outside agent_ hiding behind the curtain that's secretly making our decisions for us. If you believe in a deterministic reality, then the onus is on you to prove that our decisions are not exclusively ours to make. Just like theists are required to show proof of their God, the Hard Determinist is required to show proof of their claim.

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

"there is no outside agent" The agent is your own neurology, you do not authorize your neurons you did not design your brain and it's systems, your wants come from something which you did not utter

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

Жыл бұрын

*"You did not design your brain and it's systems, your wants come from something which you did not utter."* ... Existence orchestrated my brain, and I alone decide what information gets stored within it. You didn't design your car, yet you drive it wherever YOU choose. It goes nowhere on its own.

And it is by means of my free will that I file this discussion under "Total Rubbish." 📁

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

And you would have done that, deterministically, no matter how many times we ran back the clock.

@whitefiddle

Жыл бұрын

@@Mageblood Of course. And likewise you would have drawn your banal conclusion for exactly the same reason. Your _dogma_ (as must be obvious to anyone following conversations like the one above) is nonsensical. I'd rather believe in ghosts, gnomes, unicorns, and archangels. 👍

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

​@@whitefiddle so you believe in determinism?

@whitefiddle

Жыл бұрын

@@Mageblood I do not. But it doesn't matter whether I believe or disbelieve. It's just a great answer to give the silly dogmatists. 😄

@Mageblood

Жыл бұрын

@@whitefiddle and your alternative to determinism is what?

choices will still have consequences we will still be responsible for our decisions, the coward denies his responsibility to the world

Forget about left and right. I want to know if you can know a second before someone is about to throw a punch at someone's face. And if the interface send electric shock to that part of the brain right before they fire basically rebooting it and stopping the command to finalize. Or disrupt it while encouraging other parts of the brain to turn on like restraint, empathy or critical thinking, basically stopped the tunnel vision and rage long enough to have them ponder potential different solution's rather than a instinctual fight or flight lizard brain type reaction.