Seen countless kids get ribs/collarbones/arms broken in these types of holds when I was in residential. 90% of the time staff escalated the situation or restrained someone that could’ve been convinced to move if they’d give them more time. People get severe rug burn that leaves life long scars, someone punctured a lung with a broken rib while 4 staff restrained him, and the fact that’s it’s literally traumatizing to be restrained like this. This is disgusting. If you have to restrain clients like this because there’s no safe way to isolate them without having putting staff or clients at risk then you need to work on better safety plans or just shut down altogether. So tired of this shit. When will facilities see these holds are counterproductive and traumatize people.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Hi Kaylee - thank you for sharing your thoughts. Yes, this requires careful training by the crisis team to ensure the patient isn't harmed. The goal of this technique is to ensure there's no pressure on the torso to prevent any fractures. This technique is used to remove the strength of sweeping with arms or legs and reduce movement possibilities while not completely shutting down freedom of movement. Luckily, the facility that is educating their staff on this technique now, there hasn't been any accident. Of course, feel free to send any suggestions to us (info@tetcon-ge.com) because we're always on the look for new ways to teach staff members and improve patients' well-being and safety.

@bane3991

Жыл бұрын

In terms of people getting injured in these positions, not at all. They're not applying pressure to his upper body or torso. They're taking away his base, putting his arms in a position that gives them poor leverage to attack. The other guy is keeping the man's legs together which makes it harder for him to get up. This isn't inhumane or anything. You need to be careful with not using any intervention. There was a case of a man crippling a woman for life because she didn't know how to defend herself. This position will be much harder to pull off than people think. I wouldn't say it's optimal. But it wouldn't hurt them

@rjr6274

Жыл бұрын

@@TetconEindhoven No way it's practic and humane. You just need 8 members and to bring him inside the room in a simple litter.

@Johnantipsychiatry

11 ай бұрын

when I was in the hospital, they didn't care about these holds. they were simply circling me as 5-8 people(depending on the staff availability), and they were simply using their weights to hold me. when they sit on ur chest, arms, legs, stomach u can't move anyway. was it against the rules? I didn't know that time. but now, it feels like it must be against the rules because when 6-8 people sits on top of u, it is really hard to breath.

That looks absolutely horrific. Bad memories.

As a person that has spent over 3 years in a psychiatric hospital, I struggled from severe anxiety disorders, and mental discords, It got to a point were the hospital would just know when it is needed to restrain, (I was restrained a lot there, Like something over 200 or something), It got to a heavy point were breathing issues and my anxiety were getting worse, Luckily, I was released but with major breathing issues and worsened anxiety, They would give me my own padded room, they would never usually let me out, the experience was very traumatic.. Just am happy I am out of there..

@alexandermorosjr3790

10 ай бұрын

Yes they do more mential harm then good. I still have night mares when I was in retrsits. Health care profesonials should never use restraits period. When I woke up from an induced coma and found out i was in restraits I almost had a nervous break down.

@BuddyWinteOfficial

10 ай бұрын

@@alexandermorosjr3790 They have to some times due to safety though

@swiitdoll

5 ай бұрын

@@alexandermorosjr3790we use restraints to protect you and us. It’s only used when needed to deescalate aggression

Never lay on a person's upper body it can cause him to not be able to breathe also don't lay a person face down ,also a person could suufocate also don't lean on a person's neck with your body! You want to restrain a person not suffocate them saftey is number 1

@TetconEindhoven

9 ай бұрын

You are 100% correct! The goal of this technique is to ensure there's no pressure on the torso to prevent any fractures. The ladies are putting against each other backs instead of the torso of the patient on the ground. This technique is used to remove the strength of sweeping with arms or legs and reduce movement possibilities while not completely shutting down freedom of movement. Luckily, the facility that is educating their staff on this technique now, there hasn't been any accident and transfers are much smoother now (and less injuries for patients and staff members). If you have any other suggestions, feel free to email us or give us a phone call =) Have an enjoyable day.

What is that hold called? guaranteed positional asphyxia?

That sucks l. At least for him it does. Or anyone that has to be restrained like that. That's embarrassing, humiliating, mortifying. As far as I'm concerned I think they overdid it. Anyone that has to go through that, that poor person.

I'm writing a paper about restraint and am keen to hear more from patients.

@TetconEindhoven

8 ай бұрын

We'd love to see your work once you're finished, Freddie!

@mrbritishguyesq2846

6 ай бұрын

I don’t know if you are still writing it but I absolutely can help with this. From a professional perspective.

And this is why I urge people to avoid psychiatry like the plague. You get help at your own risk , these people have powers to do awful things to you oncr your in their control . You have been warned.

If a cop or wannabe cop (psych worker) ever has you face down, your goal is to get to get to your side. Next get your knees up to your chest and lastly start kicking/framing with your legs until you find an opportunity to stand. Don't let them take your back again. This is still a terrible position to be in but it's better than them having all the control with you face down.

@michellegordon4211

Жыл бұрын

better yet, don't do the drugs or commit the crime that got you onto a forensic ward in the first place. don't be violent or violate OTHER PEOPLE'S rights and you won't ever be in that position. or had that not occured to you?

@YOTSUBA_desu

Жыл бұрын

@@michellegordon4211 I want to help free thinkers fight back against the system that wants them to be sheep

When I got arrested in 2017 it took 6 cops to get me out of my apartment

@j.a.rathletics6883

Жыл бұрын

Dang how big are y

@pbpanther93

Жыл бұрын

Who asked

@michellegordon4211

Жыл бұрын

what a pathetic "achievement"

@SurprisedBamboo-jr1tc

2 ай бұрын

Wow your super talented and cool bro

Restrain my girl

Patient must be on their side or you can smother them. Also, there’s never this many staff when a restraint happens unless you’re incredibly lucky.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you are correct. This is a training performed by a crisis team that needs to answer to emergency calls in a psychiatric facility. This crisis team always consists of 6 people. Regarding smothering - the two persons sitting back-to-back actually don't put any pressure on the face or back of the patient while they're not sitting or laying on those body parts. Their goal is to remove the strength of the armsThe person that sits at the head should keep communicating with the patient and should inform the others if a patient has trouble breathing.

as a sufferer from mental health this is not how it goes down i can assure you that

@swiitdoll

5 ай бұрын

This is mechanical restraint. It’s rarely used.

Once they wrap the legs, it's all over. You're not going to fight off a group of people at that point. You just have to relax.

I don’t remember much but remember sleeping on a mattress

Horrendous way to treat anyone, trauma sufferers especially.

The technique used in this video is not humane, we are working towards an court case regarding these issues, we wish you the best and hope that the court case will help in bringing humane treatments to your facility.

@sheilatagg2699

2 ай бұрын

I can't see why that was necessary. The staff could have got the patient on to the bed without wrapping him up looks a Christmas package.

@DK-cy5mt

Ай бұрын

In what way is it not humane?

Jesus I’ve worked the highest secure units in my country and used equipment like this. And yet never seen it so brutally done…

@swiitdoll

5 ай бұрын

This is mechanical restraint. It’s used in a few places and must be legally done.

@TetconEindhoven

5 ай бұрын

Love to hear more about the practices you have learned. Feel free to send us an email to info(@)tetcon-ge.com. Always great to learn from one and other and improve from other's experiences. Have a wonderful day @mrbritishguyesq2846

You talk about in the description how moving a patient to a seclusion room can difficult for staff. Well I hate to tell you, but that's not exactly true. Some staff find it as a way of getting rich off that shit as far as their paycheck goes. Some staff just get a power kick out of it. I mean I get that you guys are just practicing in this video and that's fine but after the training is over, and mental heath staff are fully familiar with this tool, that's when they start having fun with it at the expense of their patients.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Hi Tom, thanks for your sharing thoughts. Yes, there will be situations and cases where staff members have different reasoning for working in psychiatric units instead of promoting and taking care of patient well-being. I'm not sure where you are based though, but this is a technique taught in The Netherlands, where aggression from staff members to patients is very low luckily.

@tommarsee6319

Жыл бұрын

@@TetconEindhoven Atlanta, Georgia. (USA). There's been a lot of forced closings of mental health hospitals here in the United States over the years. They claim it's due to budget cuts which I think is a load of crap. My theory is, is they're being shut down because there've been too many cases against 'em. There are still a few of institutions left here in the states though.

@sandruki

3 ай бұрын

I work in a psych hospital with elderly patients (mostly) after years of working in a carehome. In the carehome you can't stop the aggression and some residents can really be violent and dangerous. In hospital we have training to prevent, stop or manage aggression as the patients are usually younger and stronger. No one that I know likes to be involved in this type of interaction. It has to be a really weird or nasty person to enjoy such stuff and needing someone else to do it with you, there is always a second person to challenge someone who is too keen on restraining when it is not needed. I don't like being in such close contact with patients for any reason at all. I rather take them to the toilet with a severe episode of loose stools than having to restrain them.

Where in the world is this bollocks happening.

@TetconEindhoven

2 ай бұрын

In The Netherlands and Belgium ;)

Lets see them try this crap in a understaffed facility. It will not happen, I guarantee it.

@kayleesykes2739

Жыл бұрын

And 99% of facilities are understaffed or staffed with poorly trained young people who are emotional. I’ve seen staff really hurt residents in golds like this before. Many times it was unnecessary. If they have to restrain people like this it’s a major reflection of how poor the facility is. They need better safety plans to evac other residents and staff so the people can simmer down safely without being injured or isolated in a locked/padded cell.

I’m no pro, but I’d love to see this in action with a kicking screaming fighting patient.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jenn - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yes, indeed, there will be incidents that this might be extremely difficult to perform, however, the technique is basically pretty clear: 1. The ladies try to limit arm movement without putting pressure on the torso. 2. The guy tries to limit knee movement 3. The person at the head end keeps communicating with the person on the floor 4. Two other guys will fixate the straps that can easily be removed once you've entered the place of seclusion or calm down zone. The end goal is to make the transfer to a place of rest or seclusion as safe as possible for the patient and staff members without physical harm.

with me all it took was one cop

@paulfrost8895

Жыл бұрын

Assault charge the cop.

@raheen.sectioned-Mr5150

Жыл бұрын

@@paulfrost8895 i only blame the petitioner, my horrible mother.

@raheen.sectioned-Mr5150

9 ай бұрын

was he if he was following court orders?@@thedestroyer5332

Crime against humanity

@michellegordon4211

Жыл бұрын

have you ever worked in a psych hospital? maybe you should try it first, before you spew that ignorant garbage. Patients ATTACK staff and their peers, and then must be subdued and put in seclusion for the safety of everyone else.

The problem with psychiatric facilities is that the aim isn't really to help people. It's rather to take measures against liability suits. Those hospitals all develop their own cultures and never play by the book. In such places it's impossible to create a therapeutic environment. There should be better alternatives than fully restraining patients. The aim actually in such facilities is to show the patients who the boss is and to put them into a certain line rather than helping them or prevent them to hurt themselves or others. Involuntary treatments should be abolished as soon as possible. Such places are the blatant violations of the international conventions which aim to prevent torture and degrading treatments.

@TetconEindhoven

3 ай бұрын

You are correct and thanks for sharing your thoughts and concerns. Complete restraints are often out of the question in The Netherlands. This is a technique to simply transfer the patient from point A to point B if they suffer from a severe meltdown and cause a danger to either themselves or to their surroundings. The goal of this type of this restraint is to use as little force as possible, but use the person's body to restrict movements (e.g. lock the elbow instead of the cuffing it). Also, the ladies press their backs against each other and lock the elbows without putting any pressure to the person's torso. These are techniques that are trained to actually improve the well-being of the patients compared to full restraints and using force and pressure which could harm the patients.

the face down approach is completely wrong. 1.the pt can die from breathing difficulties. the majority if cases where someone has died or broken bone is due to this method. 2. how the hell thoese to females where actually doing anything useful is beyond me

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Hi Corey - thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns. The two females sitting back-to-back actually don't put any pressure on the face or back of the patient while they're not sitting or laying on those body parts. Their goal is to remove the strength and limit the movement of the arms. The person that sits at the head should keep communicating with the patient and should inform the others if a patient has trouble breathing. Of course, the goal of this technique is to provide the safest transfer without harming the patient or staff members.

I've worked with many very dangerous people in crisis. This is an appalling and very dangerous way of restraining a person in crisis. It comes right out of police and security service manuals. Face down is a complete non starter. People have died. The trainers make this look so easy. It's not, it's dangerous and people get hurt.

Retraits are bad period restraits do more mential harm then you relize.

you should NEVER have anyone face down in a restraint!! Your technique is B-A-D and dangerous.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Beth. Feel free to send us any suggestions on how this can be improved and we will share this with the facility that trains like this. You can send your suggestions to info@tetcon-ge.com please. Face down might not work for all situations indeed. Considering the aggressive behaviour that this facility comes across, face down seems to be the best option to ensure safety of patient and staff. Of course, we're very open to learn from other people on how things can be improved finding the right balance between patient and staff safety. Happy holidays, Beth.

@paulfrost8895

Жыл бұрын

I witnessed a care worker do that once in a care home ' and drop kicked him in the back ' he then threatened to beat my ass ' fortunatly someone intervened ' I just hate dick heads where power goes to their heads.

@kayleesykes2739

Жыл бұрын

@@paulfrost8895 And unfortunately with the type of staff at work in these places power goes to their heads way too often. I did 14 months in a residential. Staff lied on our paperwork we’re extremely aggressive with clients some sexually assaulted clients and they remained open for 3 more years. Took them years to shut down.

@larrymcjones

Жыл бұрын

@@kayleesykes2739 sorry to hear that. Where I work there are cameras everywhere someone would ever end up being restrained. And we lay on their backs while holding them physically for our own safety briefly until we can transport them to a restraint bed where they are put in mechanical restraints laying on their back and have someone in the room constantly monitoring them.

@jarule275

Жыл бұрын

Face up can cause choking hazards. I don't think there's any good or "b-a-d" way, just methods of dealing with bad situations. If you're gonna claim something is wrong at least back it up... keyboard warrior.

most if this does not work in reality

@TetconEindhoven

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts @Elbritanyico. Yes there are many different scenarios where this technique might not be applicable, however, it is important that staff members are trained for occassions like this. In The Netherlands, they call this training technique 'Safely In Contact'. It is a way to protect the patient, staff members and other patients in the facility, when the patient suffers from a severe meltdown and needs to be transferred to an area to calm down.

@whenindoubtmutemyownmouth5180

10 ай бұрын

I've never been restrained in this manner in a hospital before they always just had four great big assholes slam me to a bed then the strap me to the bed.

This is mostly not needed. And when you need this for someone try to do it and take it in consideration.

@TetconEindhoven

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, the chance that you would need to use this technique is very unlikely, but if it does, it's important that staff knows how to handle such a situation in the least harmful way for the patient. It's a matter of consistent training that could make a difference in crisis situations and that's also the goal of this training program. Please let us know if you have any further thoughts or need other help.

A big no, he’s faced down and you almost broke his arm and the walls aren’t padded. Screw you all.

Uheeui33iih

Why are they feeling round his body, that is violation of his privacy rights

@TetconEindhoven

10 ай бұрын

Hi @Anonymousgamer-gi7kj - this is to check if the person doesn't have anything in their pockets or socks that could be used as a weapon to harm himself when they are inside the seclusion room. Hope this explains.

@Anonymousgamer-gi7kj

10 ай бұрын

it's illegal only police can do that@@TetconEindhoven