I love hearing how Tyler explains the scriptures. He really knows his stuff, AND you can see his love for Jesus Christ and his joy in knowing and sharing the doctrines. Thank you Jeff for having him be a part of some of your episodes. He helps me understand things more too. ❤️

@kurtbradwill

Ай бұрын

Master of fables

@333Lovelylaura

Ай бұрын

This is so interesting! I'm reading the book of Mormon too and it's helping me understand this history And more about God's working Ancient People and civilizations. Where is the rest of this video? Want to hear more about the stones?

@AmirSs-lx7ry

Ай бұрын

Ih❤❤​@@kurtbradwill🎉❤]gl9b8 7 . mn31.

@ese_JONNYX3

20 күн бұрын

@@kurtbradwillRight? 😂 I don’t understand what the point of this page is, really. Book of Mormon is blasphemy, and should not be tied to the Bible at all. As a matter of fact, it contradicts the Bible.

@ese_JONNYX3

20 күн бұрын

@@333LovelylauraI couldn’t get past the first chapter. It’s a mockery of the Bible. It’s the Islam of the 🇺🇸.

I had stopped watching the Pastor's reading of the Book of Mormon because I felt like his only purpose for reading it was to make points about how it was wrong. However, I really appreciated in this one how the Pastor asked sincere thought-provoking questions and appeared to be doing more listening and trying to understand rather than preaching. I didn't get the same kind of hostile feeling towards the Book of Mormon that I got in the previous readings. I really liked this format, and as a lifelong Latter-day Saint I learned something new from watching this! I would definitely want to watch more of this type of deeper discussion. If the goal was to share information and provide additional clarity about the Book of Mormon, regardless of your religious background, and let people decide for themselves, then I have to say, "Well, done, Pastor Jeff. You knocked it out of the park!"

@BGCflyer

Ай бұрын

...well of course you didn't like the previous way he was doing this because he was showing you how Biblical Christianity is different. In this video, he asked the question, then Tyler talks for 90% of the time and that's it. Pastor Jeff could comment back but he didn't. Pastor Jeff did give some small hints of areas that would have been in disagreement with LDS teachings but he was so subtle, most didn't realize it. Did you recognize those differences?

@ED-wired

Ай бұрын

Same for me.

@ED-wired

Ай бұрын

@@BGCflyerwe all know there are differences between us and I don’t have a problem with anyone pointing it out but just don’t tell me what to believe because you believe different.

@BGCflyer

Ай бұрын

@@ED-wired …absolute!, be true to what you truly believe.

@bearsabove

28 күн бұрын

The Book of Mormon is a testament of Jesus Christ. Pastor Jeff doesn't see that the Trinity is a theory of the Apostate Churches, hundreds of years after the resurrection of our Savior. The Trinity is what Pastor Jeff hangs his hat on to invalidate The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Awe, you interviewed one of my most favorite teachers on the planet, love Tyler!! You were so lucky to be able to pick his brain, he is a man of God, thank you for this interview!

Dr. Tyler Griffin is a master teacher. I have learned so much from him; his countenance tells me he is a true follower of Christ.

@stokenasty

Ай бұрын

😂

@11shadowdweller

Ай бұрын

Latter-day Saints who follow the teachings of Christ and try to be Christ-like have this glowing countenance, a light in their eyes and a happiness that shows in the face.

@amyihrig3262

19 күн бұрын

I agree with you 100%.

@Tom-fo5ce

11 күн бұрын

@@11shadowdweller and a boner

@Tom-fo5ce

11 күн бұрын

@@11shadowdweller The people at Jonestown in line for the koolaid had that look

In Mormon right now with my wife. We have been reading through the whole BOM since her introduction and baptism into the church last year. We live in China and have been enjoying finding faith and the best branch one could ask for.

@dianethayer3017

Ай бұрын

I’m in China too!

@cinnamondan4984

Ай бұрын

@@dianethayer3017 good choice

@alisarichardsramirezmusic2233

Ай бұрын

Where in China?

@alisarichardsramirezmusic2233

Ай бұрын

@@dianethayer3017 where in China?

@cinnamondan4984

Ай бұрын

@@alisarichardsramirezmusic2233 Shanghai

Tyler is an astute teacher of the Scripture, very accommodating to Pastor Jeff's questions. He seeks clarification to find common ground, making this the best discussion I've seen so far. I appreciate the content, not just from an LDS perspective, but also from Pastor Jeff's insights and passages, which some LDS might struggle to address professionally. Looking forward to more engagement in the future like this.

@dinocollins720

Ай бұрын

I took 4 classes from Bro Griffin at BYU! One of the greatest teachers I have ever had the privilege to learn from in my life!

As a LDS, IMHO, this has been the best episode so far.

@edseely2282

Ай бұрын

Same ❤❤

@Lola-sz8zu

Ай бұрын

I agree

@daveorgill3068

Ай бұрын

What is IMHO?

@JJ-ti8qr

Ай бұрын

In my humble opinion

@DavoBenjamin

Ай бұрын

@@daveorgill3068 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoFssMqPiam9j7g.html

I'm a "Heartlander" myself; I believe Tyler is "Yucatan man"; The way he handled that was a master class in diplomacy 😃 Tyler is an awesome teacher!

@spencerall

Ай бұрын

I was studying the Cumorah question the other day and found that if you only look at the Book of Mormon to guide you on the location of Cumorah there is no reason that the real Cumorah described in Mormon should be linked to the place called Hill Cumorah in NY. Ignore the church created introduction and chapter headings. Joseph and others simply began calling it the Hill Cumorah. There was no indication of revelation to Joseph re: location of Cumorah. Moroni didn't call it Cumorah. It doesn't even make sense that it be Cumorah. 1) Moroni was wandering trying to stay away from the Lamanites, not go back to the epicenter of the great war, likely not far from other Lamenite civilizations. 2) The "real" hill cumorah held not just the gold plates but a whole room/cave full of records. That is not what Joseph experienced in NY.

@keithsmith5998

29 күн бұрын

​@spencerall incorrect. When Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdry were at the hill Cumorah, a cave opened up revealing a massive room full of records and artifacts. Brigham Young described several wagon loads of artifacts.

I found this conversation so much more insightful than your other reviews. I still got to hear your perspectives and doctrinal beliefs (Which I greatly appreciate learning about) but I also felt the balance of a sounding board of someone who can highlight insights from our holy scriptures in a personal way from a position of belief. This was an awesome exchange I just witnessed between two very dedicated disciples of Jesus Christ. Thank you both! You've inspired me today.

@ann-mobilewilliams1819

Ай бұрын

I concur

@AndrewEClark-mz6ch

Ай бұрын

AMEN!

@ED-wired

Ай бұрын

Agreed ❤

@oliviavotaw

21 күн бұрын

Agree!

I liked that you brought on a BYU professor instead of reading by yourself. Great video Jeff

I love that Pastor Jeff has been so open to read and try to understand the Book of Mormon. He is Protestant and has reminded us he has no intention of becoming a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yet, he has taken time and effort to try and understand the teachings and doctrines of what we LDS believe to be the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. It is incredibly refreshing to see two people of different faiths speak so respectfully to each other. It proves that we can get along with one another despite our differences. Just as Jesus Christ has taught us to do.

Tyler was my professor at BYU and he truly inspired me to get to know the gospel in a deeper, more meaningful way. His knowledge coupled with his love of God made for a spiritual experience in every one of his classes!

Hi Jeff and team. I’ve been watching for a while now and just want to say thank you. Your sincere desire to understand is a great example of how we can all seek understanding about those around us. We don’t have to debate and argue. We can discuss and actively listen and curiously seek out why others think or believe what they do. All without demonizing. So thank you for your work on creating this content. For this viewer it is good.

@rugby4lifenone615

Ай бұрын

Agreed! We need more people like Pastor Jeff and Tyler. Thank you both.

@beckywest9665

17 күн бұрын

YES!

I had Brother Griffin as my New Testament teacher BYU over 10 years ago, and it was the most impressionable and incredible class and experience ever. I could sit through his teaching all day! He is such a great teacher, so knowledgeable.

One of my favorite professors I had at BYU

@dinocollins720

Ай бұрын

I took 4 classes from Bro Griffin at BYU! One of the greatest teachers I have ever had the privilege to learn from in my life!

@Tom-fo5ce

11 күн бұрын

@@dinocollins720 if a guy is good at preaching a fraud, does it mean he's clever or ridiculous? Kind of like if you are good at astrology?

In full disclosure, I have not been a fan of this channel. But this podcast with Tyler griffin speaks favorably to the integrity of pastor Jeff's intentions. This was excellent! Tyler did a fantastic job explaining these chapters

I loved this! Two people who love God and the Bible but from very different, sometimes conflicting, perspectives. I love watching this respectful, insightful conversation. Thank you Pastor Jeff for taking us seriously.

This was so wonderful. Please don’t wait too long to post the rest of this discussion. I love Tyler and listen to him regularly and have learned so much from him. This has been so enlightening and my favorite video of yours thus far, Jeff! And, Jeff, you sound like a life-long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! You’d be a great leader and missionary for the church! Listen to the spirit and the truths he is confirming to your heart and mind. Tyler is the expert you need to go to for clear precise explanations to your questions. Jeff, I testify to the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon.

If this video doesn’t make anything else but TWO THINGS clear. It’s that the Book of Mormon is an additional witness of Christ (whether you believe that or not) the content, it’s pages and over arching message is one of turning to Christ! 2. We as members of the Church of Jesus Christ, worship, believe and know that it is by Christ that we are saved. Tyler did an excellent job! Really appreciate this and I would say this is the best collab yet!

@patriotpep

16 күн бұрын

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the book of mormon is a work of fiction 😥

@freedomfriday2.040

16 күн бұрын

@@patriotpep Time will tell.

@freedomfriday2.040

15 күн бұрын

@@patriotpep Have you read the book?

@patriotpep

15 күн бұрын

@freedomfriday2.040 Yes. And I meet with missionary twice a week (usually with 2-4 missionaries and 1-4 members) Along with going to 3- 4 YSA Ward services (on Sunday like today) I also atened every Fhe,event or Church function And go to entity classes from tuesday through thursday ( Which is like seminary for adults ) So i'm pretty well versed when it comes to what you believe And I don't say that with hate, but rather Compassion and love I really ,Really love to be around these ppl cuz they are Generally honest loving, caring people but God bestowed upon me that they are Greatly deceived unfortunately Galations 1:6-10 & 2 Corinthians 11:4

@lindaelia2616

15 күн бұрын

@@patriotpepwow, you really have investigated! I can only say for myself that I have fasted and prayed and have received my own personal witness that the Book of Mormon is true and is additional scripture to help bring me to Christ. The joy I feel having all the scriptures, the Bible and the Book of Mormon…helps me so much to know my Savior. I love having a living prophet who also guides me. I hope you find the truth. ❤️

So glad you were able to collaborate with Tyler Griffin. I’ve been watching his and Taylot’s Come Follow Me channel for a few years (Scripture Central) and have learned so much from their insight. And I learned more about the Book of Mormon again today.

@dinocollins720

Ай бұрын

I took 4 classes from Bro Griffin at BYU! One of the greatest teachers I have ever had the privilege to learn from in my life!

Thanks Jeff and Tyler for the very cordial and informative video on your understanding of the Book of Mormon teachings. I feel to share my story and testimony with you.ppl I was raised a Lutheran by a Catholic father and Lutheran mother who rarely attended any church. They however made sure my brother, sister and I were sent to church. I'm forever grateful for parents who cared enough to see that I got some religious training in my youth. I'm grateful to the Lutheran church for introducing me to Jesus Christ the Son of God. By the prayer of faith and the witness of the Holy Ghost I learned as a child that Jesus is the true Son of God who lives today as a resurrected being in heaven with God the Father. I know that he atoned for the sins of all mankind on the cross and opened the way for the resurrection and salvation of all men. In my early teens I questioned my parents, church and leaders on their authority and knowledge. I rebelled against society and became a hippie looking for love in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things. However, God in his great mercy chose to chasen and awaken me to the error of my ways. This happened at Woodstock 1969(when I was 19) during a near death experience while I was abusing my body with those bad things of the day. I found myself in hell tormented by all my sins and I then reflected upon my childhood belief in Jesus Christ and called upon his name to save me. He heard my voice and He delivered me back to life. I was born again and made a promise that day to change my life and go and do what the Lord wanted me to do. He led me by the Bible and the Holy Spirit over the next nine months to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where I was baptized in the Atlantic Ocean at Smith Point Fire Island, NY on June 27th 1970. I know by personal revelation and the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and He has led me to the prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which I know to be true by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please seek, read, ponder and pray concerning these things and you too can know they are true by the power of the Holy Ghost I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen! Peace

@johncraig2623

Ай бұрын

What a lovely expression of faith. Thank you for sharing!

@margynelson7945

Ай бұрын

Wow! Great story! Thank you!

This is a much more productive way to study the Book of Mormon. Thank you for this episode.

I wish more people would read the Book of Mormon to find out what we believe instead of assuming what's in it from rumors and criticizing us. You're doing good, you're an example to everyone what *should* be happening when someone is curious or wants to put rumors to rest.

@runner8632

Ай бұрын

Yes, I had many bad experiences with Evangelicals dictating me what I believe in, instead of asking me what I believe in. The pain of disrespect was just real.

@Mikelray-df9my

Ай бұрын

The problem is everything we believe can't be found in the BOM.We need to be familiar with the standard works and the history of the church.

@brandiehopkins3538

Ай бұрын

​​@@runner8632no you guys don't seem to understand the most important doctrines. Jesus and satan weren't brothers, and you are not getting your own planet to populate after death. There is not 3 levels of heaven and hell is definitley a real place! Your works are a dirty rag to God. Works don't save you, baptizim doesn't save and the "burning in the bossom" is not from God. He is clear that our hearts are wicked and we don't trust our feeling we test the spirits. That is only done with scripture. The BOM isn't God breathed scripture.

@stokenasty

Ай бұрын

What rumors are we talking about?

I am glad you finally did a video with Tyler. He’s a master of the scriptures and I learn a lot from him.

Thank you for choosing Tyler to study with. As far as Latter Day Saint teachers go he is one of my favourites. He is very good at understanding how the majority of lay lds people understand the LDS gospel. His testimony of Christ encourages unity and love. It was a pleasure to watch the two of you discuss what is sacred to both groups .

I’m not a Latter Day Saint, however, I have so much respect for you as I see you bridging the gap between Christian denominations. This is what I imagine Jesus will be grateful for when we face Him at the judgement seat. I believe this is what Jesus would have us do. No one has the only market share of His gospel. No one is perfect. That’s why we have a Savior of the World.

My favorite episode so far! Tyler is incredible and brings the Spirit to the conversation. Jeff shows respect and reverence as he learns more about the Book of Mormon. Beautiful!

Two very intelligent men searching through the scriptures. I love both how Jeff methodically asks these questions,and Tyler who is so good at explaining the scriptures. I love it!

You have been well prepared, Jeff! I love to see, how respectful both of you talk to another. It is possible to be open an friendly and respectful to people in other churches. Mostly, there is a lot of common ground. You are a great exemple. Thank you!

I didn't want to end this to be honest. When you hungry you want more. Beautiful.

@HelloSaints

Ай бұрын

More to come!!

@zionmama150

Ай бұрын

@@HelloSaints I have to agree this was great. When you get to the book of ether, I hope that you guys are able to comment on the similarities between the two political parties in this country and how they compared to Shiz and Corianturm.

@ViolaAgnew

Ай бұрын

Fantastic episode ❤🙏

@DivinePearl

Ай бұрын

​@@zionmama150I was thinking just that!

@averyo6514

Ай бұрын

Now do it with a book of the Bible!

I love you both, so I was so excited to see this collab!!

From some one who has known Tyler (Dr. Griffin) since he was a young boy, I am so proud of the man, teacher, researcher and scholar he is today. Thank you Tyler for all you teach and testify of through ancient scripture and how it does mirror us today and give us a lens into the future. The Lord invites us to Come See, and to Hear Him and I might add Love His words. ❤️

Dr Griffin is so knowledgeable. Pastor Jeff couldn’t have picked a better person to explain any questions he has.

I love Moroni and Mormon so much. I love them all but I have always felt close to Moroni. They lived in the worst times and yet they were so faithful.

This was the way to do this. I appreciate your humility in changing the format. Good on you Pastor.

Tyler Griffin is in my Stake Presidency. A great man, amazing family.

Thank you for having Tyler on Hello Saints. I know that you and all your viewers learned something new. I have learned a lot from his videos on Scripture Central.

Love the way you did the Read Recap and React with another person that understands the book. Seems Pastor Jeff was actually trying to learn here. I only wish that in the future we could do the whole book in this format where someone or several ppl that know the book are there to help like Tyler did here. Way better vid than the original versions where it was only pastor Jeff.

Would love to have this duo be an ongoing podcast studying Bible and Book of Mormon 20:54

This has been my favorite Hello Saints so far! Thank so much to both of you for all your scriptural insights! I learned so much. It's such a good feeling and feels refreshing to understand both of your angles. You were good examples of having a spirit of love with each other! That's what Jesus Christ wants for all of us to have. Thank you again so much for doing this! Amazing!

The Everlasting Father part was very interesting, I've never recognized that from Isaiah. Makes me want to take a class from this guy.

@user-to8cd9ty4d

Ай бұрын

I would like to add a bit more of understanding to this theme. A father gives physical life to their childrens, we became Christ childrens as he has given us spiritual life. We are born again through his mercy and his atonement.

@sdb816

Ай бұрын

“Spiritually begotten”…as King Benjamin explained 👍🏼

@joesimpson9230

Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ tells the brother of Jared that He is the Father. There is only one Father. Jesus Christ is both the Father (because of His Spirit) and the Son (because of His flesh). Mosiah 15:1-5 And now Abinadi saith unto them: "I would that ye should understand that God Himself shall come down among the children of men and shall redeem His people; And because He dwelleth in flesh, He shall be called the Son of God; And having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son - The Father, because He was conceived by the power of God, and the Son, because of the flesh, thus becoming the Father and Son, And They are one God, yea, the Very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth - And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation and yieldeth not to the temptation, But suffereth Himself to be mocked and scourged and cast out and disowned by His people.

@josephine79

Ай бұрын

​@@joesimpson9230To clarify, the reason Jesus is called "the Son because of the flesh" is because His physical body (the flesh) is the only one without a mortal father, because God the Father is the father of His physical body. This was needed to give Jesus both a mortal and immortal body so He could both die and also endure taking upon Him all of the sins and infirmities of the world before His death. Also, Jesus is the 2nd member of the Godhead which makes clear the Godhood of Jesus. And Jesus was Jehovah before His mortal life so Jesus is the God of the Old Testament who spoke to and guided the prophets in the Old Testament and is the One that all of their ceremonies were for, representing the sacrifice He would make for all mankind. He is the Holy One of Isreal, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the Word who was with God (the Father) in the beginning and was God (2nd member of the Godhead) before the Earth was formed and created all things by direction of the Father, which the Father is over. And the Father and Son are one in unity, love, and their purposes for mankind as part of one Godhead, with the Holy Spirit, who work together and has one gospel. So when it says God Himself would come down and would be called the Son of God because of His flesh, and that They would be one, this is what it means. This is one of the many examples in the Book of Mormon of how the Book of Mormon really doesn't contradict the Bible, but says exactly the same thing and shows how we need prophets of God who receive revelation to inform us of what the scriptures really mean. In this case it was Joseph Smith who was also the same prophet that translated the Book of Mormon. He was also the prophet that God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ appeared to, showing Joseph that They are two seperate, individual personages that are part of the same Godhead. I'm sure if They hadn't appeared to Joseph he may not have believed it for himself considering how ingrained the philosophy of the trinity was in the minds of the Christians. It was one of the things that needed to be restored. And, as the professor explained, when Jesus is referred to as Father it is referring to us being spiritually reborn through Him who makes us clean through His sacrifice when we repent, make covenants (such as baptism), and continue to repent for the remainder of our days. Also, Jesus is called the Father of creation, because He created all things in the physical realm, by direction of Heavenly Father who gets his title because he is the literal Father of our spirit bodies. That is the *one* title of Father that Jesus *doesn't* have is being the literal Father of our spirit bodies as Heavenly Father is to all of us. That's true regardless of anything we do or don't do. We will always be children of our Heavenly Father.

Excellent and productive discussion Jeff. So great when people of differing faiths can have such discussions. I believe this is what God wants His people in the body of Christ to do so we can all come to understand and grow closer to Him.

This is so wonderful!Jeff, one of the best, if not the best, thus far! Thank you! Tyler is brilliant!

Good questions, incredible insight from the professor. I wish I understood Scripture like this. Beautiful! 😍

I appreciate your approach pastor. You are indeed a tender and loving man towards you fellow man. You really try to gain understanding with a sincere heart. The world needs more pastors such as yourself!

I took 4 classes from Bro Griffin at BYU!!! I love this great man!

Thank you Pastor Jeff for your respect. It really means so much to so many. I can only imagine what this world would be like if there were many more people like you. Again, thank you.

Our youth theme this year is “I will stand as a disciple of Christ” and it has been one of my favorite themes and maybe it’s because I’m a YCL but it has really helped me better understand who I am.

Pastor Jeff, I know you are just reading the BoM for understanding of the LDS faith, but please honestly ask yourself if an uneducated 19th century farm boy could have written it. Either it is God's word as it claims to be, or it is a fraud. It is important to find out which it is.

@peter10562

Ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯💯

This was great! Would love if you did more recaps with Tyler on other parts of the BOM later.

WONDERFUL session, Pastor Jeff. Thank you. This is one of the best ways to help understand and discover the miracle that is The Book of Mormon.

@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist

23 күн бұрын

What do you feel is the most important teaching and purpose of the Book of Mormon?

Great discussion; thank you. I really enjoyed that and it's so great to see people from different faiths sit down together and discuss points of history and doctrine w/o animosity or argument. Good job, guys.

More of this please. Encore!!! 👏🏻

Such a wonderful, respectful discussion! Thank you both!

This section includes the final comments from Mormon as captured in the art work "O Ye Fair Ones". I think of this when we are considering the state of our societies today. Often we pit one side against the other (politically usually) as if one has it all and the other is the bad guy. The reality is we are in a mess and increasingly so every day. So the focus on discipleship in these days is so crucial and to find a work in "interfaith relations" is so beautiful. This is what matters most. Thank you for your care and leadership in moving this work forward :)

I so appreciate how much respect they treat each other with in discussing their belief. ❤

There's something about that Tyler guy... he's very calming and meek and mild but proclaims what he believes boldly.

Best discussion yet. You two compliment each other very well.

This was worth my time. Thank you! I can't wait for the next one haha : )

This is by far your best video. Love this so much ❤

Best video so far! Looking forward to Ether and Moroni! Tyler is amazing. 😅Please invite Jared Halverson from Unshaken in for a chat. ❤ He can answer any doctrinal question that you have not gotten a clear answer on.

Dr Tyler is amazing and thank you Pastor Jeff for having him on your program 👍🎉

Please, please discuss Ether with Tyler Griffin!! The brother of Jared's experience w/ God is sacred and extremely symbolic. Tyler will do it justice.

This was SO AWESOME! Thanks :)

Wow. Great discussion and so inspiring to hear a respectful discussion between two scholars from different religions.

I love to see Pastor Jeff backtrack through the book of Mormon and get a Scholarly persective.. starting with the Articles of Faith!

Excellent information and interview 👏

This was so good!

Please do more of these. Great format with a knowledgeable member. Tyler is a good teacher and knows the scriptures well. 💪🏼

Joseph Smith clearly identified the hill in NY as the same hill mentioned in the BoM. The only reason Tyler does the classic sidestep is because almost nothing supports what Joseph said about the hill. The BoM can’t be put down anywhere on a map because it does not appear to be actually historical.

@micheleh3851

27 күн бұрын

@LatterDayInvestigator - Joseph Smith referred to the hill by his home in NY where he was shown the plates by Moroni and where he was eventually allowed to retrieve the plates as a "hill of considerable size." It was Mormon in the Book of Mormon who referred to hiding up all the records in a hill called Cumorah in the land of Cumorah, except for a few records which he gave his son Moroni. It was Moroni in the Book of Mormon who said he would hide those records "in the earth." This is why the location of Cumorah is not clear. However, there is no question among Latter-day Saints that Joseph Smith was shown the plates at the hill by his home and was given permission by Moroni to retrieve them from that same hill 4 years later. This hill has been named Hill Cumorah. Whether it is the same Hill Cumorah that Mormon referenced is not known.

@LatterDayInvestigator

27 күн бұрын

@@micheleh3851 Go read the journals of Joseph, as well as the writings of Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer, and several of the statements by Martin Harris. They all clearly understood the hill in NY to be the same hill referred to in the text of the BoM.

@micheleh3851

27 күн бұрын

@LatterDayInvestigator - Go read the testimony of Joseph Smith. He described the hill just as I posted. Go read the Book of Mormon. Mormon and Moroni described the place(s)where they hid the plates just as I posted.

@LatterDayInvestigator

26 күн бұрын

@@micheleh3851 I’m not saying what you quoted is quoted inaccurately. I’m saying that you’re leaving out what they all clearly understood, and what was accepted among members until the mid 1900s (when archeology started to cast doubt on the idea the NY hill was the actual Cumorah). Consider the following from the Introduction to the BoM: “After Mormon completed his writings, he delivered the account to his son Moroni, who added a few words of his own and hid up the plates in the Hill Cumorah. On September 21, 1823, the same Moroni, then a glorified, resurrected being, appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and instructed him relative to the ancient record and its destined translation into the English language.” Also, you should go read Oliver Cowdery’s Letter VII, which was addressed to WW Phelps, published in the Messenger and the Advocate with Joseph’s blessing, and later repeatedly redistributed by Cowdery at the request of Joseph. In the letter, it very obviously identifies the NY hill as the very hill where the final battles occurred and also where the record was buried. scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book-chapter/letter-vii

Im praying Jeff will feel the Spirit as Tyler shares insights from the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

This BYU Professor has just taught me some new things about the Book of Mormon that I didn't know. Fantastic! Because I was opened minded and really wanted to know whether or not the Book of Mormon is true, because I prayed with real intent for God to reveal this to me, I now know the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit. Pastor Jeff could find this out too, if he opened his mind to this possibility. He should pray and ask if his current beliefs are true. "But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong."

@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist

23 күн бұрын

Awesome thar you've cometh know for yourself thar the BoM is true!! Now what is the most important doctrine taught in it and why is it absolutely necessary to understand it?

I am very pleased to see that you got in touch with Brother Tyler, I admire him, he has the light of the Lord Jesus Christ in him; You will learn a lot from him.

I see God working in small ways to bring together believers in Christ from various viewpoints. Jeff has been willing to change from his former stance of animosity towards Latter Day Saints. I respect this so much. It is wonderful to find ways to work with members of the community from differing perspectives whatever tbey may be.

Tyler is such a great presenter. I'm glad you brought him on! His emphasis on Christ being called the Father because of our covenant relationship with Him was exactly right. I would also add that we teach that Christ is the Father of Heaven and Earth, because under the direction of Heavenly Father, He was placed in charge of the Creation process. Regarding your question about eternal progression, and generations of deity, that requires an understanding of scriptures from the Doctrine and Covenants, the Book of Abraham, and quotes from Joseph Smith to fully grasp. It's largely based on our latter-day teaching, with one exception from the book of Romans that you'd likely interpret in a different way.

You will never understand fully till God knows that you are willing to follow through and follow the fullness of His example

Awesome, cool stuff Jeff! Getting some really good teaching from Tyler!

I love Scripture Central and bro Tyler's Come Follow Me Insights and lessons. He is a humble and insightful member who you can tell has sought to understand the scriptures and teaches in a simple yet profound, clear terms. I clicked because I saw him! ❤ Jeff has done himself a great service to seek his insight and spirit. Very genuine!! To be honest, not sure about the thumbnail pic of Jeff's expression. Is he showing his skepticism, a quizzical doubt expression? It is tellingly me something other than curiosity perhaps??

@NoelFallstrom

Ай бұрын

I had no problem with it. I am very curious about many things that I am skeptical of. If you had a scholar that could teach you about the history of the Aztec's, would your curiosity cease once you reacted to their child sacrifices? That is purposefully an extreme example. I don't believe that pastor Jeff reacts to any of LDS teaching in the same way, but being honest with your skepticism and doubts is packaged with curiosity. You don't need to leave your prior beliefs at the door.

@denisemilne1330

Ай бұрын

My thoughts too with Pastor Jeff's expression. It's says a lot!

@alisarichardsramirezmusic2233

Ай бұрын

@@NoelFallstrom ok then

Tyler is a great teacher love watching him on scripture central

Loved this episode to its core! Probably my favorite yet. I just sit here and marvel at both of the intellect of both parties here. Thanks Pastor Jeff for bringing Brother Griffin on. ❤

This is awesome Jeff and Tyler. I have been teaching this to my studenrs too, and I have to say this is a great thourough teaching of this part of the Book of Mormon. Thank you so much!!

Jeff... IMO.. best one yet!! Keep up the good work Bro.👍👍😇

Pastor Jeff, it was a pleasure listening to this episode. The message of the Book of Mormon is the same for all of Christianity and the people of this world: "Come unto Christ and be perfected in HIm and deny yourself of all ungodliness" [Moroni 10: 32]. This is what the Old and New Testaments are saying if we have eyes to see and ears to hear. It is not organized religion that saves us it is our godly and divine relationships with God our neighbor and ourselves that will bring us back home to Father and Christ!

@BGCflyer

Ай бұрын

...so you don't believe that the ordinances must be done by someone with priesthood authority that is only found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? (ie. organized religion)

@kencard6657

Ай бұрын

@@BGCflyer Depends on which kingdom you are going for! Click on my picture icon and read my essay on Chapter 9 "Religions & Symbolism."

@ladyhawke7034

11 күн бұрын

​@@BGCflyerGood question.

Thank you Pastor Jeff. This episode was beautiful. I loved the questions you asked, which prompted the inspiring answers. I felt the spirit listening to this.

Again, Jeff I am looking forward of the discussion on the Book of Ether. It has been more than 2 weeks now of my wait.😃

Cool to have him on, good stuff. Also, heard good things from members about the conference you had hosted, well done! Excited to figure out how to find the content online :)

The 'heartland Model' for the Book of Mormon has the greatest corroboration from Joseph Smith, and makes the most sense. So the Hill Cumorah in the BoM is the same as the one that Joseph Smith went to, according to that model. The professors comments on the model is remarkably outdated. Precipitation of a cold nature is actually mentioned, among a number of the other things he mentioned. FIRM Foundation has answers to all of those commentaries without squeezing or twisting of the geography.

@russellricksbooks2579

Ай бұрын

I believe Oliver Cowdrey stated he and Joseph Smith were physically shown the actual Nephite repository and not just in vision. Put your trust is what these early church leaders said and as confirmed by modern LDS prophets before fully trusting scholars theories and ideas.

@mikewood3557

Ай бұрын

Both schools of thought have compelling arguments for and against them, it seems to me. It seems that the Lord gives us evidences but never proofs, including His own existence. Clearly, He could make Himself known as an indisputable fact, but He doesn’t. And I don’t think we’ll ever find a sign saying, “Welcome to Zarahemla”. I’m not prepared to disregard either side.

@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist

23 күн бұрын

I agree with you on the Heartland model but more important is how is the BoM changing your life? What is the principle taught over and over that will change us into new/reborn people?

@thiatas-ashadarawesh

23 күн бұрын

@@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist The principal of the BoM is Christ. I have drawn more near to Christ, by reading the BoM through the eyes of a visionary man knowing better the context of Lehi and the Deuteronomic reforms he was living through in Jerusalem, watching the Jewish people utterly remove Christ from the Temple, and the importance of the Temple through his vision, than I ever did reading the Bible on its own. It testifies of the Prophetic power of Joseph Smith, which reinforces The First Vision, and thus a condemnation of the Creeds. For if God The Father and His Son Jesus Christ both appear in the flesh , the Nicene Creed and the concept of Creedal Trinity is a false idol. And if it is a false idol, then, the much of mysticism in Ancient Israel is correct, and Judaism is no longer a false religion, but one that has lost its authority and creedal Christendom's apostasy is also confirmed. God bless this restored authority upon His restored church. The Mysteries of God are made known to us and us alone, paired with the command to share it with the rest of the world. Praise God for His mercy and His Justice.

@allthingsarepossiblethruchrist

23 күн бұрын

@@thiatas-ashadarawesh I think the most important thing the BoM teaches is the Doctrine of Christ and how to come back into His presence while we are still in the flesh.

Is it weird that now I want to do my future Come Follow Me studies (esp. Old and New Testaments) with Pastor Jeff and Tyler?!? Great episode -- thanks for posting.

Professor Griffin, speaks the most aligned to the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of anyone I've heard on this channel. His understanding is our sacred writ is second to few. Whether in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, or Pearl of Great Price. Great man. My only feedback for Tyler would be to look Jeff more in the eyes---but hey, no one cares but me. ;)

This was a great discussion!

Two-way respect from two wonderful young men sharing a delightful gospel discussion. Enjoyed every word. An old timer S. Dilworth Young said, "With respect, the truth can always be shared."

Good video! Great questions Pastor Jeff! I love the scriptural insight.

Loved watching you and Tyler discuss this together! I have not seen Tyler before this, but he seems to really know his stuff and seems to be a great teacher! I could see several bewildered faces as he explained things. It to good to understand the differences in our core doctrines to help us live together in more peace

Would love to have this duo be an ongoing podcast studying Bible and Book of Mormon

Brother tyler griffin was one of my religion professors at BYU nearly 10 years ago. Great guy!

I am resubscribing because of this episode. It was excellent!

Terrific conversation. Thanks to both

Thanks for doing this, Jeff. Please tell your evang friends to try as well instead of dismissing.

Loved the commentary here! Tyler is a great teacher. Loved hearing his concise explanations and appreciated Pastor Jeff’s inquisitiveness. Respectful dialogue all around.

I love that you had Tyler on with you...from the begining I've loved how you have sought to understand mormons from mormons. It is inspiring to watch you discover and to go through that journey of discovery vicariously with you.