It baffles me a bit how Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell were so sympathetic towards the exile and then in this meeting they just say "Yeah we're cutting you off from the force and then kicking you out."

@Kainlarsen

3 жыл бұрын

Probably lying to them, or hiding what they suspected.

@jamesmurphy9577

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kainlarsen I think Vrook is something of a corrupting influence among the council. He complains in KotOR I about either Bastila or Revan (perhaps both!) being willful and headstrong, but is himself much more so -- stuck in his own ways and very unwilling to admit fault or acknowledge new truths. It would not surprise me if he had convinced Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell to side with him. In this dialogue he chides the Exile for dominating the will of others, but that may be exactly what he does himself, and he projects that blame elsewhere to shield himself from criticism. The light side version of the Exile doesn't dominate their party's wills, but inspires them, and lends them strength. The darkness that Vrook saw in the Exile may have just been darkness he saw in himself and the Jedi, but was never earnestly willing to face. All of the Jedi masters we meet in KotOR II -- Atris, Kavar, Vrook, and Zez-Kai Ell -- still maintain the beliefs they had during the Mandalorian Wars, and Atris is the only one who will ever come to doubt those beliefs when she is made to face the Exile after her own fall. The Exile learns through Kreia, and through exploring the war-touched worlds; Atris learns through the first-hand experience of falling to the dark side, and realizing it was her dedication to the Jedi that led her there when the Exile forgives her. The rest of the council? They hid away, and pointed the finger of blame at the Exile when she came to ask for help against the Sith threat. In some way, Vrook, Kavar, and Zez-Kai Ell had fallen too. Jedi supposedly do not kill their prisoners, but they were willing to put the Exile to a punishment that they knew, from Malachor V, that scarcely any Jedi could survive -- severance from the Force.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

I think Kavar loved a female Surik and thought of breeding with her.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmurphy9577 Meetra leeched life, that is true, but Vrook Lamar lied by saying that she was a Dark lady of the Sith.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmurphy9577 Yeah! He thought of Meetra Surik as defective and then lied to her (she was a threat to all living things) by telling her the truth (she cut herself off from the force)

"You must have noticed as you fought across all these planets killing hundreds, only to become more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?" -cause this is a RPG? really, I love they explain the progression system with lore.

@juanlastra3502

4 жыл бұрын

I tought the same thing when I first heard that, it also explains why every character recibes the xp that only the party gains, because they are all bonded to the exile

@bubblegumgun3292

4 жыл бұрын

danm talking about breaking the 4rth wall

@Crusader-tg1wx

3 жыл бұрын

I still greatly respect the writers of this game for their ability to tie game mechanics into the lore the way they did.

@HanithSVK

3 жыл бұрын

UUF, so he became more proficient, more skilled and overall better trained... WoW, that is totally unreal, how it could happen? 😮😮 I really can't imagine that, is it how it works in real world? That when you travel and overcome obstacles, you became "more skilled/proficient"? 😮😮 For those, who don't get it, it's sarcasm.

@yellowpower3755

2 жыл бұрын

@@HanithSVK Oh, how delightful…..

-You were deafened. -At last, you could hear. -You were broken. -You were whole. -You were blinded. -And, at last... you saw.

"It is because you were... afraid." In the end, what saved the exile was defiance of the Jedi code.

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned. Tomorrow I publish a new Kreia's Conundrums where I discuss this.

@benzass95

4 жыл бұрын

@Super Kat technically if the Exile had followed the Code, they would have died. So in cutting themselves off from the force, they defied the Jedi Code.

@benzass95

4 жыл бұрын

@Super Kat The Exile defied the council by going to war. The code is a Jedi's guide to understanding the force. By cutting themselves off from the force, the Exile broke that guide. If they had followed it, they wouldnt have feared death. Because there is no death, there is only the force. Kinda like how when Traya rips the force from the jedi at the end, they all choose to die instead of live without it.

@benzass95

4 жыл бұрын

@Super Kat The council died from having the force ripped from them. Kreia never wanted them dead, she only wanted them to see that life was possible without the force, which is why she holds the Exile in such high regards. The jedi couldn't accept or handle the weight of no longer feeling the force, so they chose death instead.

@benzass95

4 жыл бұрын

@Super Kat Nah, I think it looks like she chokes them because of the limited animations of the game, but the only thing she really does to them is rip the force out.

Visas Marr: 3:34 - "Something's wrong. I'll leave my meditation chamber to check it out" 7:59 - "Aha, I knew you were up to some..." *Force Choke and passes out * 12:49 - *Wakes up * "Uuuugh... Yep. This is why I never leave my room. I'm going back and wait for this to solve itself."

For some reason, Kreia's voice takes a different tone for each gender. For this Exile, she speaks with more anger. For the female, her tone is softer, but her disgust is more emphasized.

I love the irony of Vrook's statement: "Her teachings will cause you to fall as surely as [Revan] did." Kreia has already deconstructed the idea that Revan fell for only power. Perhaps he fell to protect the Republic for the greater good. Is Revan's fall so certain, Vrook? Yet another example of the blindness of the Jedi Council.

@Netsaver

2 жыл бұрын

I think what really happened was that Revan sensed the Sith influence on the Mandalorians and rather than wait for the influence to come too far he decided to seek it out by going to war. Malak probably was unaware of this, but when Revan found the true Sith Empire he realized that he had to force the Republic to either evolve, or die out completely and have a new order made to fight back. So he 'Fell' to play as the 'villain' but the Jedi Council for all their talk about seeing the 'true' threat were blinded by their arrogance and self-assured ways not seeing the actual threat until it would've been far too late.

@gabrielandjavierpinales3689

Жыл бұрын

Revan only turned to the Darkside only to prepare the galaxy against the True Sith. He knew the Jedi would be doomed to fall when the True Sith invade the galaxy. That makes more sense of why he turned into a Sith Lord than being a puppet of a Sith Emperor. In order to fight the Darkside, you have to understand it by becoming a Sith yourself.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 is it understanding to join the sith, or is it simply falling to it's influence? As much as you gain understanding, your perspective is warped by the influence of the dark side, and of the sith.

@RandoGrunt

Жыл бұрын

The tragedy of the dark side is that many of its practitioners fall to it with good intentions, with the end result of them becoming as evil or worse than the dark siders they fight against. Only those that are pragmatic enough to not let their emotions control them and have the sensibility to have self awareness seem to last the longest. In Revan’s case he was smart enough to know the full dangers of the Star forge and then destroy it when it served its purpose, but his embrace of it blinded him enough that a lot of his efficient and practical methods were still downright evil.

Once Brianna realizes what Kreia is, Kreia starts lying again. "Congrats handmaiden you caught me! I'm a sith, yes sir, now take me to your mistress for judgement!"

@DraculaCronqvist

3 жыл бұрын

But she didn't. Kreia was not Sith. She pretended to be, so the Exile could have one last opponent to test herself against, to complete their training. Everything Kreia did was always for the benefit of the Exile and the Galaxy at large.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@DraculaCronqvist That’s what I always thought.

@egeorgiades93

3 жыл бұрын

@@DraculaCronqvist She used it as a Tool rather then as an Allegiance, much like how she uses The Force. She is against The Force but uses it as a Tool to her own goals.

@DraculaCronqvist

3 жыл бұрын

@@egeorgiades93 Correct. She wasn't Sith, she simply took that role for her purposes.

@_VXI

3 жыл бұрын

@@DraculaCronqvist I'm confused, she gave herself to the dark side of the force and called herself Darth Traya, she's technically a sith lord but not a real sith correct?

I honestly can't get enough of this scene and all it's variants. The culmination of all your travelling... Sara Kessleman's (Kreia) voice acting is off the charts here

@laurentguyot3362

5 жыл бұрын

Kreia is probably de best "videogame voice" ever. it is so bealevable, so "true", when she speak its real

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@laurentguyot3362 what?

9:53 “How could you ever hope to know the threat you face, when you have never walked in the dark places of the galaxy. Faced War, and Death on such a scale..” I love Kreia so much, she was So Real.

@ThePollarRabbit

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a line Sidious said to Yoda in the novelization of RotS. "You've spent so long in the light, you've forgotten how deep the shadow is." Or something like that. What a great line.

@kenkaneki9176

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, you can hear Kreia's anger/disapointment in that moment.

WOW Kreia's voice actress is amazing. That sort of laugh at 12:27 is amazing.

@MJSpiritual

4 жыл бұрын

Hearing Kreia laugh, even if its briefly is very unsettling. Its like its unnatural.

@iratepirate3896

2 жыл бұрын

Mirthless chuckle

@mysteriousssstranger

2 жыл бұрын

So true. That one line was Oscar worthy

I love this game....it was ahead of it's time in so many ways.

@laurentguyot3362

5 жыл бұрын

ahead of its time? This is timeless, it will be a masterpeace forever

@szentineltorony4745

5 жыл бұрын

Planescape: Torment was way ahead of it's time. The KotOR II is walking on that path, since the some of the Torment's crew worked on this game too.

Zez Kai El had a kernel of wisdom, he knew that something was wrong and had to change, but he was too weak to act on what he felt. Too afraid to let go of what he had known and was attached to. Kavar was a warrior, and could not see anything past the lenses of his warriors instinct. The subtleties of how the Jedi were poisoned and would ultimately fail if they stayed the course made no sense to him, so he fought to preserve what he knew under the guise of not knowing any alternative. Vrook was too stubborn, too blind and lost in his ways to see the need for change and to see the flaws of the Jedi. In his stubbornness he put down everything else to preserve the myth that the Jedi were right in their ways. In the end, when people don't know what to do they follow the most assertive, even when the most assertive is wrong and would lead to their doom.

@donpula6349

2 жыл бұрын

Quite true. Also don't forget them & the other Jedi keep depending on the Force & they forget that they served it not them. The Force is cruel to them & Kreia/Darth Traya was right all along about the Jedi & Sith & it needs its betrayer to both side except cannot destroy the Force.

@gabrielandjavierpinales3689

Жыл бұрын

The arrogance had never left the Jedi. Their flaw ideas have them fail and turned them ignorant. They suspect something cause the Mandalorians, but they never investigate due to their way to manipulate others that they're all knowing. Their flaw code lasted until Luke Skywalker defeated the empire and rebuild the Jedi order. He did not just rebuild it he also reform their ways to become stronger. Luke freed the Jedi from arrogance and flaw.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

I think the moral is to do your best to make sense of that intuition, that even though you know no other alternative, find it, through the feeling that you are wrong.

Wow, the Male Exile side has way better voice acting in certain parts. When Kreia intervenes with the Council at 9:14 and during her judgment speech at 11:50 she emphasizes different words in her speech, and I think it gives off more of an impact as opposed to the Female Exile side. Thanks for the upload, this was great

@MrLGD1234

5 жыл бұрын

Von Armen I’ve thought this for a while, been difficult to find as all most videos are female exile

@armaan1091

5 жыл бұрын

Von Armen I think the female version is the “quiet anger” of Kreia, and the male version is the “loud anger” if you get what I’m saying.

@coinkidink9997

4 жыл бұрын

Technically, Obsidian had planned for The Exile to be a Male canonically and if you play the game you'll see aspects of the story-line seem better in quality in a Male play-through, especially regarding Atris.

@subjectnivleis7572

4 жыл бұрын

@@coinkidink9997 what happened

@Samm815

4 жыл бұрын

@@subjectnivleis7572 I think to balance out Revan being declared canon male they made Meetra Surik.

The mixture of animations and VO for Kreia at the beginning of this when she stays behind does an amazing job of making her feel vulnerable, like the Old Woman she really is, and I love that they take the moment to do that just before she displays how deeply and terrifyingly *powerful* she is beneath the physically weak exterior. I also love the detail that the Jedi Masters all stand with blazing lightsabers, but Kreia never so much as shows a weapon, as her power is so thoroughly in the Force.

There aren't words to describe how criminally underrated this game is compared to the first.

Kreia in my opinion is the greatest female character ever in games. She’s literally perfect. So much wisdom and her voice acting is 1 of 1. I really hope if they remake the game, they bring back the same voice actress.

@I_am_a_cat_

10 ай бұрын

100% agree. I just hope they don't ruin it, if they do make a remake. She's 79 now, so hopefully sooner than later... kreia without this voice is not kreia.

I love that they folded a regular run of the mill XP system into the story. Incredible game and so varied you could play it again and again

@kartikayysola

4 жыл бұрын

And they did it a decade before Undertale was even a thing.

The writing is good. Disney can't even come close to this.

@Connor8609

4 жыл бұрын

Lucas has never come close to this...

@Mr_Gray_1995

4 жыл бұрын

The writing is GREAT.

@ahsoka5216

4 жыл бұрын

Disney's excuse would probably be that it's too dark or too in depth to be made into a movie. 😒

@ahsoka5216

3 жыл бұрын

@VS Unfortunately, no 🥺

@soulslayer-rl5mf

3 жыл бұрын

Praise Chris Avellone

"You were afraid" Your life is the most valuable thing you'll ever have so live "You had no choice" I know you wanna hold on to the power but it's worthless if you're dead

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. That's me.

@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516

Жыл бұрын

"You had no choice" Milo Surik

Brianna to Kreia's face: "Did you not go to join him? "Kreia thinking: "gee whiz...blinder than the freakin Blind One"

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha lol

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

I love reading the comments of this video, they're funny and also thought provoking.

so...... basically the Exile is...... (spoilers below) The Inverse version of Darth Nihilius , which means instead of Hungering for The Force, and feeding upon it, Exile truly Projects themselves upon others, sharing themselves - thus, making the others like the Exile, and in return - they understand and well, Follow them in return.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

Do they follow the exile out of their own free will, or are they charmed/influenced enough to follow? It's kind alike when someone is so very convincing that someone doesn't have a choice but to follow.

@victorzvyagin360

Жыл бұрын

@@theblasteffect4499 well, they're obviously charmed/ attracted by/to the power of the Force- which Nihilius essentially drains all of- and the Exile shares knowledge of instead...... Hence why they're on the "opposite sides of the Force spectrum" really

9:20 that delivery is amazing

So this is what happened while I was unconscious wow thanks Quinn

3:08 “But war... war never changes”

@mrgaudy1954

3 жыл бұрын

“Truth is, Jedi; the game was rigged from the start” - Kreia

11:45 she really goes from 0 to 100 there, tell ya what.

@Mr_Gray_1995

4 жыл бұрын

Her frustration for the failure of the blind Jedi council who blindly taught students the wrong ways.

I love how when You use force sight Vrook is just lightly blue, and Kreia is lightly red. They are not totally devoted to one side of the Force

I love the colouring in her phrasing at 11:25: "...culminating in a final atrocity that nobody could walk away from. Save one." Kreia truly loved the Exile and what she represented - strength of will, and will to turn away from power that wasn't hers.

"To best them in battle is one thing to defeat them without striking a blow that was my hope" thats a pretty deep quote from the dark side version of this with the jedi masters killed

@WillieManga

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, Vrook was too arrogant to listen to the Exile for just once, and the other two could only rely on him, with so much of the council dead. So victory in philosophy was beyond reach. It's difficult to argue with a scientist. It's impossible to argue with a fool.

This scene and the ending makes you wonder what the True Sith could of been in Kotor 3. How different they would be from the Sith Empire we got in Swtor. Apparently they were supposed to be so much more powerful and also evil. They were supposed to be like the Shadows from Babylon 5 they believed in complete chaos and death on a scale probably worse then the Yuuzhan Vong were. And when Revan found them after the Mandalorian wars he was afraid of them because they could easily overrun the Republic and turn the entire Jedi Order to the Dark Side and he believed only reorganizing the Old Republic into his own Sith Empire was the only way to counter the True Sith. They were supposed to be so evil and destructive that they would shake the very nature of the Force and make it bleed like a Wound in the Force and devastated planets like Malachor V are only common to them. Now this version of the True Sith is more terrifying and interesting then Vitiate's Sith Empire and I wished we got that version and Kotor 3 instead of Swtor.

@williamwolfstein6170

3 жыл бұрын

It makes Palpatine and his empire look like a kid's tantrum when you talk like that.

@gabrielandjavierpinales3689

Жыл бұрын

The True Sith were more powerful and calamitous. They hate the force like Kreia that they want to destroy it and the galaxy that has it. This makes them more worse than the Sith Empire that is a knock off of the Galactic Empire.

@thorshammer7883

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 I have to agree with that to a large extent though I thought of a context of some even greater power that is guiding them in the process.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@thorshammer7883 a greater power than the force?

@thorshammer7883

Жыл бұрын

@@theblasteffect4499 I don't know about that exactly but something very powerful either way. It's an idea basically I would like to imagine while fitting the themes of Kreia's hatred of the Force.

I wonder as to why Kreia has more passion in her voice when the exile is male when referring to the arrogance of the Jedi at 9:20, in contrast to her calmer conveyance of her perspective with Meetra Surik. Perhaps when the exile is male she sees him as the moral contrast to Revan, yet holding everything and more that made him so powerful, while with Meetra she sees her only as she says herself "A way in which the galaxy can deny the force's will."

@dgrunklesamiii4615

4 жыл бұрын

Another thing to add to my findings is that of 8:00. After several playthroughs only recently have I come to see what it means. Throughout the game, Kreia is always shown to be completely grey, unswayed by the actions of the exile, and this is exemplified through the ability force sight, taught by Visas. Force sight allows you to forgo the limitations of human perspective to instead see others and the force's hold on them, dark or light. Even through such Kreia maintains a grey hue, in all but this moment. It is a wonder that the Jedi did not sense this during their sentencing, but perhaps they assumed the faint echo of the dark side was coming from the exile has a reaction to his sentencing, as well as them needing to focus their power to remove his connection.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I managed to get Kreia with LS alignment.

@dgrunklesamiii4615

3 жыл бұрын

@@ABFan-bj2uj Please provide evidence as to how you did this, as such is most likely a bug and not intended by the developers.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I switched to Kreia as party leader and did some altruistic stuff, and BOOM! Kreia Is Now Light Side!! Also, I have Vanilla version, not the TSLRCM.

@dgrunklesamiii4615

3 жыл бұрын

@@ABFan-bj2uj I would assume that is indeed a bug. At no point is Kreia playable while separated from the exile, as she has her own goals and motivations, so I would assume that what light side points should've gone to you likely went to Kreia and bypassed her neutralizer. That's my theory at least, as I'm no tech wizard, and all signs point to Kreia masking her dark presence.

Mr. Quinn, I love you. Nice video. KOTOR 2 will always be the best RPG I've ever played.

@laurentguyot3362

5 жыл бұрын

For me too and I've started with ultima 7 (I know I can say I started with a bang! what a masterpeace!) and I think I played nearly every RPG since then.

@derlich09

2 жыл бұрын

Not the best, but the best Star Wars RPG. Hands down.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@derlich09 I think it's a really good RPG because it goes above and beyond, utilitizing the very nature of an RPG to create an experience where you can mold the star wars galaxy to whatever you desire, whether it be light or dark, or somewhere in between.

OK FINE! ILL DO MY 500TH PLAYTHROUGH AFTER ALL THESE YEARS GODDAMNIT!

@erickliberty158

2 ай бұрын

Its never enough!

Overall the exile's story is way better when he's a guy. I think he has better interaction with his allies

@you-5-iver804

3 жыл бұрын

Yet canonically, it is the female exlie.

@unrealhero7944

3 жыл бұрын

@@you-5-iver804 either sex you choose its pretty much the same but the cannon is a female exile. That being the case regardless its still an awesome game and an even greater story. These Rey and Finn misfits that revealed/displayed such a weak history all the more a misguided and moronic view of a once great franchise. They just gave those who love these stories a concerning less intellegent view that accomplished as said no better here a wound in Star Wars. Its pathetic and could never even hold a candle to what this is. Rey would most likely lose her mind by trying to understand anything in SW in general. Make Star Wars great again will you! Lol no but seriously this is the most rarest and well conceived story(s) that have been well thought out and fine polished to a degree presentable to a standard they could present, at least with the short time they had available in the rush they had for development. That said these recent SW films with the goober Rey with her no training gap that made every movie she was in de-cannonized in my book. Read Darth Plaguies and then look at Rey Mysterio and Finnland and you can see how it relates more to Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Actually Holy Grail was better in story development at least they were original, as well as keeping a laugh they never once creating Rey's unique farce power known as dissapointment. Now that i think about it more Holy Grail was better in most everything accept graphics but anything Rey and Finn mind you is a regular dumbass (stormtrooper) who changes his allegance and who later falls for a fat lil troll who fucks his one moment to be useful in the 3 movies to act in sacrificing himself for what remained of the NR in TLJ, ha dross! All they have given is a full list of WTF stupid moments that give only horrid views of future events. All this in a galaxy not so familiar to us but logic says quitely to disney your dung pie of films just cant match up to it, its just not cannon.

@unrealhero7944

3 жыл бұрын

Each playthrough does have different dialogue tones at least with i know for sure kreia's at certain times especially. That being said, it does make for a different experience all the while increasing this game's replay ability and you just feel you've gotten more bang for your buck.

@firstconsulvergil4200

3 жыл бұрын

The Exile was always meant to be a guy. It was Bioware coming in after the fact and canonizing the female exile despite it being the weaker story.

@turgius9331

3 жыл бұрын

@@firstconsulvergil4200 Literally all of the promotional material and official trailer for the game supports that and it makes the dynamic with Atris much more interesting. Drew treated the Exile's character worse than Abdel Adrien in his novelization.

The first videos of yours i stumbled across were your Kreia’s Conundrums videos and I’m pretty sure i watched almost all of them in a single day. I am always ecstatic to see people paying this game its dues, but you really outdid yourself with these videos, the passion you feel for this game is palpable and it is a joy to see, i wish you got more exposure, you definitely deserve it, i wish this game got more exposure. I hope things are going well for you in whatever your pursuits may be and i hope you are able to continue making videos if that’s what you desire. It’s the people like you who inspire me most, who despite odds and maybe even rationality decide to pursue what they are passionate about. Also I feel like you make great conversation and i think that’s something you should know.

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, man. You're right. I'm very passionate about video games, RPGs, and this game in particular. Part of the reason I make these videos is because it deserves more exposure. More writers in the video game industry should be using KOTOR 2 as an example to follow. Video Games can be so much more, and they can tell stories in a way that no other form of media can. I hope more developers see this, and maybe I can help with these videos. Edit: By the way, we can all do our part to make this game get more exposure. Share these videos with people you think it might interest.

Yessss, I love this version of the enclave scene so much better.

These 3 jedi alone justify order 66 and isn't that a sad assessment

@maleexile9053

4 жыл бұрын

Luke skywalker reformed the new jedi order in legends

@Icebergeification

4 жыл бұрын

@@maleexile9053 I never said he didn't but that dosent change the fact that these 3 justify something as awful as order 66

@JJoh4040

4 жыл бұрын

How

@Icebergeification

4 жыл бұрын

@@JJoh4040 their punishing the exile essentially for being a living contradiction of the jedi code

@prometheusmodelow8322

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Icebergeification It wasn't the same Jedi Order at all, it's over 3000 years in the future, i doubt the Prequel Era Council even knew about the mistakes of this council, and this era's Jedi got their "punishment" by the Triunvirate's own Jedi Purge, that is way more relevant in that sense. Order 66 was more about the Sith's revenge for their extermination 1000 years ago. Also, i wouldn't say the arrogance of the council members justifies the deaths of all the Jedi who were honest and fought hard to preserve life, just as the treatment of Anakin by Windu and the Council doesn't justify him murdering all the Jedi including Padawans and Younglings, by any moral standards, it isn't justice.

Man the moment she's like I'm here to silence you chills as you would pass judgment on the exile I have come to pass judgment on you all 😮 epic mic drop

So this was a Dark side run :p Kreia summarises if you are DS- you were afraid If you are LS during this speech -you had no choice

@PapitoQinn

3 жыл бұрын

This is true. Have you ever wondered why? kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZI2lrtiBqMusoso.html

@frankieseward8667

5 ай бұрын

You mixed it up LS was fear, abd DS was no choice

Its nice to see more Kotor, I always appreciate seeing these uploads

I have been waiting for this scene for a long time.

Vrook Lamar: You Shall Be Executed!! Meetra Surik: Help! Help!! Kreia!! I’ve never been so betrayed like this. *sobs* Kreia: Enough!! Meetra Surik: Thank You Kreia! Kreia: *Betray! Betray!! I Manipulate Your Head So I Betray!!!*

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

Haha

This is why i love Kyle Katarn. He cut himself off from the force and returned stronger when he became a jedi again.

6:50 what's funny is that Jedi master Zez-Kai Ell here explains what happens when you get more XP in the game hehe. the more you kill, the more xp you get, the stronger you get. a suttle attampt at fourth wall breaking right here. 12:06 you suddenly get back up off the floor only to fall back down hahaha, that's some sort of glitch in the cut scene, I haven't seen that before.

@SOMEGUY7893

2 жыл бұрын

"you suddenly get back up off the floor only to fall back down hahaha, that's some sort of glitch in the cut scene, I haven't seen that before." Funnily enough I have the exact opposite experience that glitch always happens for me.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@SOMEGUY7893 I wonder if it's because the effect of being knocked out wore off but the game realized the character was supposed to stay knocked out so it did the effect again lol.

12:09 Exile: “nope!”

@DrTasty18

5 жыл бұрын

she's bonded with Kreia so she knew she was about to have to fucking duck lol

@DmitryTheSovietDuck

4 жыл бұрын

@@DrTasty18 He*

@maleexile9053

2 жыл бұрын

Mommy protected me

@xshayahyawzi3666

11 ай бұрын

​@@DmitryTheSovietDuckFinally someone with sense. I have become sick of people calling The Exile as she. SwTOR just ruined KOTOR's lore and butchered the exile's character

"Your command echoes still, General, and I obey, just as I did at Malachor V."

I honestly wish they would have been able to completely finish this game

@PapitoQinn

9 ай бұрын

Along with Fallout: New Vegas

Man KOTOR1&2 were such amazing games. A pity that we never saw KOTOR 3. The writing and dialogue in the second game is absurdly good. So many bits of teachings and wisdom. Games today are simply not made with such care and love anymore.

Hey these videos are great dude. Keep it up.

"You are so close to the pole of ducks" _Subtitles at __10:25_

She is difficult to see, she is like a shadow of the exile.

I appreciate that you add your own music so that the scene sounds better but I can't help but hate you for not using the actual restored temple theme. That is such a great tune. It screams of guilt and punches me right in the gut every time. In game or out. I'm disappointed that you didn't use it because the panning shot just isn't the same without it.

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

You mean this theme?: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hauDlZqfZpy-adI.html I couldn't use it at the opening it's too short. But I did use it. It starts at 5:26

@ShapelessElephant

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I remember having goose bumps for the first time at the scene of the desert and ramshackle Jedi enclave, when the sentimental tune played and Kreia said "it has been sometime."

@Mr_Gray_1995

8 ай бұрын

“I hate you for…” Why hate?

i still come back to this game... for 10 years or so.

13:00 "And I know you can read MY thoughts, boy! 'meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow... meow meow meow meow MEOW meow meow meow...!' "

Some of the most amazing in depth writing ever done. Shame no stories are written with so much depth anymore

Nomi's Robe master race, arguably the best lightside robe

It is funny because Kreia didnt kill them. She just severed the Jedi Master's connection with the Force and since they were dependent on it they died, thus proving Kreia right...

He has brought truth and you CONDEMN IT?! The ARROGANCE!

This auto went on after the stream and it hits me so damn hard with feels every god damn time. Never gets old

@PapitoQinn

4 жыл бұрын

Stream vod did get demonetized by the way. But it was due to the music playing in the Nar Shaddaa video that 100% Star Wars sent me. I cut away from Blunatmay's video early enough.

@Blastanker

4 жыл бұрын

Papito Qinn lol guess we gotta mute Luke next time

Damn I still can't get over Sara Kestleman's preformance in this section here. She really outdone herself

Sure, just strip, your only chance of defeating the Sith, of their connection to the Force. Great plan, guys.

This is pure Star Wars gold!

I think the female voice lines were recorded before the male ones, since Kreia's tone is so much more fitting for male exile mentions. A prime example is "The arrogance!" in this part.

This scene is brilliant but the bloke desperately flopping out of shot at 12:07 is hilarious.

This is honestly still one of the best moments I've ever seen within the Star Wars franchise - notions of "cannon" be dammed. I still remember when I saw it the first time (15 years ago), I was simply speechless..

Makes me wonder what would’ve happened had Atris chosen to appear.

@robinhood7293

4 жыл бұрын

She would have used their arrogance to convince them it was too dangerous to let you live and have you killed. From the 4 left Jedi Masters, Atris was the most arrogant.

@ABFan-bj2uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@robinhood7293 She turned Vrook Lamar to the Dark Side without knowing. Kreia couldn’t even get him to admit it.

@xshayahyawzi3666

11 ай бұрын

Oh no Kriea would protect the exile and kill them instead. He was most important to her

I think the council hear really did not understand Nihilus and Sion as the threat. The way they talk about the Exile seems like that are thinking the Exile is the one causing all this death and destruction. The Exile left to the Outer Rim after the war while Sion, Kreia and Nihilus were in known space.

"You follow Revan's path".....The path to be both and neither Jedi or Sith but something more. Revan may followed that path because he had no choice due to the living Force.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

Revan's path may have been good for the galaxy, but that doesn't mean it was balanced in the force.

There's an alternate dialogue where Kreia kneels to the Exile and instead of saying: "It was because you were afraid" she says "It was because you had no choice". Does anyone know how to get this line?

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

You have to be on the dark side.

@starlighter930617

5 жыл бұрын

Ah, I see! Thanks for the quick response. :)

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I happened to be in the neighborhood.

This was my first kotor and I feel in love whit him

There is no wisdom; there is willful ignorance. There is no pursuit of knowledge; there is fear of the unknown. There is no embracing change; there is preserving the status quo. The REAL Jedi code.

@xshayahyawzi3666

11 ай бұрын

spectacular😂

These thirteen minutes and 40 seconds have been better than any of the garbage Disney has given us in the past eight years. My god this scene is phenomenal.

It makes me wonder how the Jedi council would deal with this situation during the prequel era

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

I'd think maybe slightly less as condemning than in KOTOR, but about the same.

7:42 V. Lamar: *Somehow, They Have Learned Their Hunger From You* It haunted Milo Surik to death. It almost triggered Kreia into doing to Vrook Lamar what Darth Sion did to Darth Traya (Kreia), except that he bleeds to death.

I honestly don't know how many times I've rewatched this and all its variants. I love the rebuilt Jedi enclave theme sooo much. I'm going to write Sara Kesselman (wrong spelling I think) a letter honestly

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

You know I never considered writing her a letter. I wouldn't know where to send it.

@Dimmster

5 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn she'll probably die soon. I'm gonna try find a way rather than laud her after she passes as under appreciated

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

Where do you send it?

"You must've notice as you fought across all these planets, killing hundreds, only to become more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?" Dude... That's how an RPG works! You fight, you kill, you get EXP from it, you get stronger. Not that hard to figure out.

@xshayahyawzi3666

11 ай бұрын

But turning RPG mechanism to story is absolute brilliance

Perhaps a life lived without the force is not the punishment it is made out to be

this games were "the star wars vibe" for me as it was the first star wars media i saw as a kid and nothing came close to this felling to be honest.

My male Jedi had that same hairstyle 😂

@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516

Жыл бұрын

Mine was bald, and I pictured him as *deeply* and *terrifyingly* strong, both physically and mentally. Kreia is only second place to him.

Best game I ever played

Nobody wants to bring up how Kreia is blind and might have been using her mastery of the force and the bond to use your own eyes. Darth Traya, after all.

Seventh! PS: Will you make videos of a DS playthrough?

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

Trying to get ahead of things, i see. PS: Yes

I played this gaym a few times, and I like that the character reactions change if u are a male or female character. Although canonically the exile(Meetra Surik) is a female character.

@Dipset81288

Жыл бұрын

The female exile was only made canon in swtor before this in 2004 when it came out all the promotional material was for the male

@sin5946

Жыл бұрын

@@Dipset81288 wow didn't know, thanks

They are like ghouls in vamprie the maquarade.

I love how Atris doesn't come to the Dantooine meeting because she hasn't learned anything like Katarr and in his mind she would be thinking "the sith must hide and I will wait until they appear" She had most of the dead Jedi on her conscience, but in her ignorance she blamed the exile for her actions Ps her motives I think after we go away from telos planet from planet Kreia tries to hide his presence to atris and the other Jedi masters but atris has the handmaidens who are not touched by the force and then notice her and tell atris about her presence and she must have thought kreia as a sith and then when kreia herself return to telos she confirm his thoughts but all the Jedi deaths in her mind the return of the exile male or female that she admired and was disappointed when she/he goes to the mandalorian wars and then kreia is know to be the dark Lord of betrayal

Kavar: Speak No Evil Vrook: See No Evil Zez-Kai El: Hear No Evil Atris: Do No Evil

I'm surprised that the Jedi Code allows horseshoe mustaches.

Unfortunate that we will never see writing of this quality on the big screen as long as Disney is in control ... I can only hope Dave and Jon are granted the creative control they deserve to make content like this for dinsey+

@RobotMetalhead

5 ай бұрын

Wah, Disney bad!

Is it me, but this scene is better when Exile is male? I can more motherly rage in Kreia, when she says that masters will never harm Exile again

Kreia > Palpatine

Id this was a live-action production, Helen Mirren would be perfect for the role of Kreia.

@PapitoQinn

3 жыл бұрын

I think people might tell you that Sara Kestelman is still kicking.

@Kainlarsen

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn I don't know what she looks like.

@PapitoQinn

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kainlarsen Look her up.

Happy to see "Exile" and not "Meetra Surik" again

@fredreindljr1996

4 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@simon556able

4 жыл бұрын

Are they the Same?

@dzikripratama3776

4 жыл бұрын

@@simon556able Meetra Surik a female Exile and the canonical one

@Skishe

3 жыл бұрын

@@dzikripratama3776 only canon in the bad MMO and mediocre novels.

@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516

Жыл бұрын

"Milo Surik"

I love this scene so much however I think it feels better with the female exile in some parts, like with when Kreia says "He has brought truth and you condemn it? The arrogance!" feels too fast as opposed to the way she says it about the female exile. Not complaining, just nit-picking. It's an outstanding scene, and I've always been fascinated by Kreia.

that one jedi looks like pickles from metalocalypse

@PapitoQinn

2 жыл бұрын

"Pickles' nickels. The very first endorsement of money." Which one looks like him exactly?

@Ashecomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn kzread.info/dash/bejne/c6eYuMeiocSwnNY.html this dude

I hope not only i find companions dialogue at the end of the scene confusing.

It always annoys me how much better the character interaction feels as male exile. I love playing as fem exile just cause "canon" reasons but the handmaiden and visas feel much fuller character-wise in a male playthrough than the disciple and visas in a fem playthrough

@shrilleth

3 жыл бұрын

try using the partyswap mod, it allows you to have both the disciple and the handmaiden. As for the female exile's companions not being as fleshed out, there are a few reasons for that, namely, the disciple was meant to have a long quest where you find holocrons, and only through finding holocrons could you eventually train him into a Jedi.

Almost 2k, wow.

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm at 1987. Year of Predator, Robocop, Lethal Weapon. Good year. At least for movies.

@KitchenSinkSoup

5 жыл бұрын

1990 now.

@PapitoQinn

5 жыл бұрын

@Roland Deschain Good year for music, even mainstream. Gangsta rap was going hard and Alternative Rock was on it's way up.

WALK FROM MALACORE as I did

Games made between 2010 and 2020 cant even come close to games made between 2000-2010 (where EA was still a good guy) in writing and gameplay.

So did atris not know the Jedi Masters were alive also? I wonder if they knew where she was. Because Kreia didn't know the masters where still alive.

@PapitoQinn

3 жыл бұрын

Atris. I was from her record that you find that out and their locations. The Jedi masters thought Atris died on Katarr. They say so when you tell them that you encountered Atris on Telos. Kreia though I'm not sure. But I have to assume she found out from Atris' records as well.

@Rotorzilla

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapitoQinn kreia says something like the knowledge that the master are still alive is information she did not have, but has now been corrected. I appreciate your deep knowledge of this. I really need to download it and reply. It has been such a long time since I played. I love the stories and characters but the way combat works is what keeps me from playing again.

@theblasteffect4499

Жыл бұрын

@@Rotorzilla I didn't used to like RPG games, but this one really showed me how RPGs could shine. I came to enjoy the combat after a while. It wasn't special but it was nice and casual, had some difficulty but mostly was about keeping whatever abilities active during combat, not too hard. At first it was definitely hard to get used to, but I highly recommend sticking it out, really great game.