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@LJ-qq8lx

7 ай бұрын

W Fanhome

@koz874

7 ай бұрын

I want more theories!

@FredKS-UPBGE_Games

7 ай бұрын

Keep em coming bud, this is great stuff 👍😎 Fred/K.S

@Icehead2.0

7 ай бұрын

MatPat wants to know your location!!!

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for helping in keeping the interest in this game alive.

@azimuddin1890

7 ай бұрын

I’ve always been interested in the game since 2019.

@Majin_Koolaid

7 ай бұрын

Still in my top 10 RPGs

@StefanWinchester

7 ай бұрын

True but too be honest this game has no trouble keeping interest

@andrewlanham1372

7 ай бұрын

The greatest S.W. game ever made. Hands down

@bigrodbrowny9184

7 ай бұрын

Felt this.

Quick fire idea for you. I've always thought that nhilus and sion were failed experiments, wounds kreia had already tried to manifest. When she found the Exile she found the perfect parameters finally, that it wasn't hunger or pain but indeed fear that was the missing element that she had been searching for. This would emphasise the eureka moment she had when discovering this on dantooine.

@kojiattwood

7 ай бұрын

That's a cool theory!

@michaeldickson5495

7 ай бұрын

Usually the Sith would take power from their master. Normal. Except they both turned on her. Sith don't team up for shit. Especially those 2, it seems so out of character considering they're on their own path. They found out what she was doing and decided she deserves something worse than death, for a sith, being a powerless old woman.

@khazadguard3230

7 ай бұрын

@michaeldickson5495 that's all true, I just think it would also explain why the two of them seek out the Exile so vigorously. Like two failed experiments trying to prove to themselves that they weren't wasted effort. There's a lot of times when Sion seems jealous of the attention the Exile gets and even the shadow of nhilus' ego wishes to seek out the Exile. Just an idea

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Interesting!

@kojiattwood

7 ай бұрын

I seem to recall that if you played the exile as a female character, Darth Sion had a less vengeful reaction when you left Korriban, as opposed to when you played as a male, or maybe I'm misremembering

Vrooks line during the jedi master reunion is very relevant to this line of thinking..“You are a cipher, forming bonds, leeching the life of others, siphoning their will and dominating them.” This line always suggested to me that the exile was able to feel the force and draw upon it by amplifying it in her followers and then feeding off of it from them. Exile is literally a hole in the force where its will is denied. The exile is free from the will of the force, and instead exerts her own will over it, using it as a tool and not the other way around

@empirednw6624

6 ай бұрын

So she could have become the ultimate sith. The sith want to dominate the force and have it serve them, while the Jedi worship the force and let it guide them.

@Miss_Trillium

6 ай бұрын

​@empirednw6624 indeed--all the sith want is domination. Meanwhile, she has it and doesn't even try It's a shame swtor basically negated her

@empirednw6624

6 ай бұрын

@@Miss_Trillium ya, she died in a totally lame way too. The book overall wasn’t that bad though. I hands down think she’s a better character than revan and I totally prefer kotor 2 over 1. It was refreshing not playing as some chosen one type character. She was the hero because she was just at the right place at the right time. She stepped up because no one else could or would.

@elfather2045

6 ай бұрын

Na i’dont really believed that idea that the force dosen’t have any hold in the exile, because for example is that is the case then why if the exile fall to the Dark side she’s corrupted like any darksider, she should be able to use the Dark side without any consecuense if she’s really of not being influence by the force .

@FlyingKlutchKick

5 ай бұрын

@@elfather2045the exile doesn’t fall to the dark side so it’s pretty irrelevant

Best Star Wars game ever maybe. Narratively my favorite Star Wars story. To my understanding and based on what Master Vrook and the other masters the Exile is not directly connected to the force. Suggesting that she originally formed a Force Chain with Kreia and as the game goes on she forms similar bonds with her companions, including the droids. They go on to accuse you of draining them like a force vampire and attempted to permanently cut The Exile off from the force. Unfortunately a fallen Jedi historian took exception to that in a rage that was felt kinda maternal.

I’ve got my own theory about Malachor V : maybe Obsidian at this time hadn’t enough time to finish the game then forgot (willingly or not) to implement the effects of Malachor V on the player ? Maybe there’s a scene missing when you arrive on the planet, that states you are feeling groggy by the weight of the planet/deaths, but *somehow* you find a way to focus (like the Jekjektar scene)

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

That's definitely possible.

Curious... There's a moment where Kreia says to the Exile " I'm training you to be human, not a Jedi..." and I was always confused then why she would connect her to the force despite clearly despising it. Funnily, Darth Nihilus mask also does the exact same thing you describe here... With that said, I don't fully believe it either - but it's certainly fun to think about! Good video, thanks!

@Majin_Koolaid

7 ай бұрын

The original Force Chain was not necessarily created by Kreia and it was likely an attempt to fight off the drug overdose from the HK-50. That being said Kreia certainly was looking for the Exile and definitely saw her opportunity to maybe kill the Force. She loves you whether you are light or dark because you have the willpower and the strength to change the entire galaxy.

@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051

2 ай бұрын

Makes you wonder if kreia actually gave Nihilus the mask to begin with amplifying his force wound.

Also, when you first speak to Brianna the Handmaiden in the Telos Polar Academy, before you leave, she asked you what does it feel like to feel the Force? There is a dialogue option that says "I only know what its loss feels like." Later, when you speak to Master Vrook Lamar on Dantooine after the Battle of Khoonda, when you tell him that you have already established your connection to the Force, he replied, "perhaps it is Dantooine, but I do not feel such from you - I feel nothing but what I felt in the Council judgment chamber on Coruscant, so long ago." Although you could argue that it is simply Vrook being his old self. In a way, the Force Chain is similar to a magnetic field. If Kreia is the magnetic North Pole, then Meetra Surik (Jedi Exile), being a wound in the Force, is the magnetic South Pole. In his KOTOR II playthrough, Lorerunner made a very good explanation on wounds in the Force. You can watch his explanation here (18:24 - 25:10 mark): kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGGmmcuSnc-WprQ.htmlsi=5jCf2TuzoGn1aDUf&t=1103. Without a doubt, KOTOR II is one of the best-written RPGs of all-time. Even after so many years of playing the game, I am still learning something new.

This is a great theory, I think though, Kreia doesn't gas light you into thinking you feel the force; instead she allows you to feel the force again through her connection to it. And then being able to feel the force again through her, you start to also feel it through your companions that you help guide into feeling the force themselves.

@Nezxmi

7 ай бұрын

Yes, this. The Exile feels the Force through others, through the bonds she forms.

@christianscrogins663

7 ай бұрын

Yep, beside the companions argument, the meeting with the reunited Jedi on Dantooine also throws this theory out the window. They attempt to cut the Exile off from the Force (again) because of her pervasive natural ability to bond with others while being a wound that can itself deafen or kill. If she was just loosely tied to the Force via Kreia and nothing more, they would have been trying to break the chain, rather than cut her off from the Force.

@asdffdsa1347

6 ай бұрын

@@christianscrogins663 I agree but I also think the Jedi masters weren’t strong enough or something to even see the chain, they never got a look at the exile without kreia being near, she makes it hard for people to even see her, and she easily kills all 3 of them, the council knew there was something wrong with the exile but they were wrong about what at least on the light side play through

@patrickgarner1028

6 ай бұрын

Note krea didn't kill the Jedi council she severed their ties to the force and they put of reluctance to close themselves off to the force chose death over living without the force.

It is interesting idea. I don't think I want to write a novel in the comments but what do you think if I were to make a video directly responding to this video with my thoughts? It brings up some interesting questions. For example, based on what we learn about Revan and the things he might have known about Force bonds, could it be that Revan and Bastila wasn't exactly a Force bond? Among other thoughts I have.

@SammytheTongue

7 ай бұрын

DEW IT

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

You don't need my permission good sir! I'd like to see it.

@beskamir5977

7 ай бұрын

My interpretation of Revan and Bastila's bond was that it was created because it was necessary to save his life. Either due to Bastila healing him and thus creating it more or less by accident, or Revan latching onto her when she checks on him and forcibly making a bond to sustain himself in some way. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that of course. With regards to Meetra, it's obvious she's adapt at making Force bonds too, and it's interesting that her Master (Vima Sunrider) seems to have been the first to have noticed that ability. It's also worth noting that due to legal reasons neither sunrider were allowed to be part of kotor 1 or 2, which is really annoying and means that a lot lore that would have worked the best and explained the most what exactly happened just couldn't be created. As an example of what that could have changed. Vima was supposed to be Bastila. If Vima had trained Meetra and noticed her Force bond potential then that'd imply Vima was likely similarly capable of that too. Which then explains why Bastila/Vima was able to Force bond with Revan so easily. Except, legal reasons ruined that entire possibility and we got the version of the story where Bastila and Vima are not the same person. Effectively, leaving us with two halves of the truth rather than a single truth. Now the commonality between Revan, Bastila, and Meetra is Revan. Had Vima been Bastila, it'd have been Revan and Vima that would have both known Meetra.

@DarthRevanGaming-xx6vj

7 ай бұрын

Nice I mean Why not

I think there is some validity to this theory. In some dialogue there are references to the force and it's relation to the exile. On Peragus when you first regain the force there is a option that say that the force feels faint and distant. On Dantooine Brook even says that he does not feel the force from you. Again on Dantooine when facing the Jedi masters they explain that essentially the reason you become have become stronger and leveled up is because you consume the force from the people and creature you have killed. As for the bonds between the companions, perhaps it was an unintentional side effect of Kreia making the chain with the exile. We know that the exile was very adept at create force bonds. What if the ability transfered over to Kreia's vergence in the force and was actually the one making those bonds, yet it was the exile's charisma and power to command that kept our companions bonded. Kreia mentions that while she has the wisdom to teach she lacks the power to command and inspire, something that we have. We know that after KOTOR 2 our companions do recreate the Jedi order using the lessons the exile gained from Kreia so maybe it is just that. Probably still a bit of a stretch for that hole in the theory but it is the best patch I can think of.

Interesting indeed. The vergence in the Force. Given the root word there, it suggests there can be 2 types. A convergence in the Force - which is what you've described as a vergence. Same as the one associated with Anakin Skywalker. I would assume Kreia thinks it's this sort as well. Since she said that the Exile and Revan were the sort where the whole galaxy changes direction based upon them - a convergence of destiny. But what if that is wrong? What if the Exile is a divergence in the Force. Instead of the Force flowing freely through her, what if the Force flows freely AROUND her but diverges around her leaving an empty space, like an eddy. She is cut off from the Force at that point. She is independent of the Force as it never touches her. She and Nihilus act as opposites. The Force converges and is consumed by him. He is totally dependent on the force. The Force diverges and is ejected around her. She is totally independent of the Force. They're both like black holes - one constantly feeding on the Force like matter down an event horizon but the other, the Force orbits like an accretion disk and is accelerated and ejected away with even more energy than it fell into orbits with without ever touching the hole. The only way the, Exile feels anything is if the Force is purposefully directed into her "Black hole." Kreia could thus "feed" on the Force that orbits and is ejected by the Exile. She reflects some on purpose into her to get her to feel anything but her essential nature of being a blank spot the Force orbits but doesn't touch without Kreia tampering never changes. As Kreia uses that Force disk more, more reflects into the Exile. But without healing the black hole, she would always be cut off. That would also explain how the Exile bonds with and empowers the latent companion Jedi. She doesn't do it. But they become awakened in all that orbiting and ejected Force energy that diverges around her. Like how one can make a strong permanent magnet by putting iron in a strong magnetic field. The field "orbits" the coiled copper wire but the copper is never magnetic. Only the iron - or Force potentials - immersed in the field. All the planets they visit - Korriban, Dxun, Nar Shadda, Dantooine etc and especially Malachor all have massive presence in the Force concentrating the Force diverging around her.

@Aqueox

6 ай бұрын

This also aligns with her saying that the exile is like a dead spot in the force, whereas Revan was like a whirlwind of it.

It isn't ever explicitly stated in game WHAT the Exile is healing, but there's a book "Star Wars Saga Edition Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide" which does imply more certain reasons. I'd say that the "healing" that the Exile needs to do is to begin forming Force Bonds again, after being exiled they had dismissed all Jedi principles except for the "no attachments" rule due to the trauma that was caused by Force Bonds on Malachor V and they went Bondless for nearly a decade. The healing is NOT getting rid of the Wound because the Exile's Wound is unique, the Exile is empowered by Life while Nihilus feeds on Death; in this way the Exile is like the physical embodiment of the Force but absent of it's Will. Kreia is insistent that either she or some other Jedi train the Exile, rather than Chodo, because they must heal in a way that facilitates them forming Force Bonds. "While The Exile roams aimlessly, news comes of a Jedi Civil War- begun by Darth Revan. The news sends The Exile spinning. Had they been so blind or is the galaxy so truly incomprehensible? The Exile retreats further into themselves, forsaking all Jedi principles except one: no attachments... After nearly ten years, The Exile returns. What they find is a ruined Jedi Order, and an enigmatic Jedi Master- Kreia, who also claims to have been exiled and stripped of her force powers. Kreia's union with The Exile creates a vergence in The Force that reconnects them to the energy field surrounding all living things." Kreia uses the Exile to re-establish their connection to the Force and they share that connection through their Force Chain; doing this is what creates the vergence. The connection established between them is not simply sharing their previous connections like a Bond, it is an entirely new connection to the Force and even more uniquely it is two people but *one* connection, one *chain.* A chain that will be broken once the Exile forms Force Bonds and has another method of feeling the Force again, that is the result of the 2nd trip Malachor V. Kreia saying that the Exile feels the Force distantly through her is *true,* but she doesn't mention that the Exile could also feel the Force more deeply through forming Force Bonds with others and THAT is the manipulation; Kreia neglects to mention that their Force Chain will lead to the Exile forming Force Bonds in which they will feel the Force more fully again because the Exile is EXPLICITLY against forming any attachments at the time when they meet, due to fear and trauma. "Perhaps it was a mistake to make you feel the Force again, I see that now." I'd say Kreia believes it may have been a mistake because she genuinely cares about the Exile, she's admitting guilt and she's admitting doubt. She's saying that maybe, just maybe, she is wrong. She regrets planning to betray the Exile, she regrets utilizing the Exile's greatest fears and bringing them back to Malachor V where she planned to sever their Force Chain and attempt to create another Wound, possibly to make herself into a Wound, because she recognizes that the lightside Exile is a truly good person and the best of her students. "A bond between two living beings is not something easily broken. It is not a choice… it is like breaking a feeling. Like turning away from the Force. To break a bond, your feelings would have to change, or one of you would have to die-but even then, the bond wouldn't go away, *it would simply… it would simply be empty, a wound."*

That's an interesting theory. As to the Exile's companions feeling the force, I think a good way to look at it, in relation to this theory, is that the exile is also acting like a conduit of Kreia's force essence. If the Exile is fully dead to the force and is only feeling its effects because Kreia is bridging the wound and her force essence, it's possible that because of the Exile's party member's proximity to the Exile, they also can feel the force amplified within themselves. Essentially, all living things can feel the force but at differing degrees. It's possible that all of the Exile's party members are force sensitive but can only faintly feel the force. Under natural circumstances, they would never have the sensitivity to wield the force and become Jedi/Sith but due to Kreia's growing strength in the force and using the exile to strenghten herself, the side effect is that the force is drawing and amplifying the sensitivity of those who spend a long time with the exile. Essentially it amplifies the party but also expedites the strength that Kreia is re-establishing for herself in the force. The exile is essentially artificially extending the chain to her party members but this is only because Kreia is allowing it to happen because she sees her companions as expendable but of course they are best suited to help her when they are also at their greatest strength. Added with the Exile's natural charisma and the party can easily be placed under the power of suggestion.

An interesting theory, but I would ask the opposite question: What if the Exile was never disconnected from the Force? The difference between disconnection and blindness is sometimes difficult to tell, but it is possible that the Exile was still connected to the Force. However, she wasn't able to hear and feel it. Just because you are blind, doesn't mean that the things around you can't affect you. The Exile is a wound in the Force, but a wound is still a part of the body. If the Exile was truly disconnected from the Force, she wouldn't be alive. As Darth Plagueis wrote in the Book if Sith, the Force can be divided into three parts: The Living Force, Anima; the Unifying Force, Aperion and the Thinking Force, Pneuma. Anima is responsible for life itself. Without it, there is no life at all. Aperion is responsible for connecting everything and Pneuma is that part of the Force that gives us consciousness and the ability to think. If Plagueis is right, the Exile was never truly disconnected from the Force, just from Aperion. You can actually compare the Exile to a psychopath. A psychopath has emotions within him, but these emotions are unable to reach the central part of the brain, and because of that the psychopath can't feel them. At least that's the case with Primary Psychopaths. Secondary Psychopaths are another topic. Secondary Psychopaths are born with a connection to their emotions, but they severed this connections because of a trauma. However, this connection is only mentally severed. And that's exactly what happened to the Exile. She lost her connection to Aperion, because of Malachor. The emotional damage was far too strong and because of that trauma, she mentally severed her connection to the Unifying Force. But during her journey she learned to live with that. Malachor doesn't affect her in the end, because the reverberation, these terrible emotions, can't damage her anymore.

The original Force Chain was not necessarily created by Kreia and it was likely an attempt to fight off the drug overdose from the HK-50. That being said Kreia certainly was looking for the Exile and definitely saw her opportunity to maybe kill the Force. She loves The Exile whether you are light or dark because you have the willpower and the strength to change the entire galaxy.

@DBArtsCreators

6 ай бұрын

That original Force Chain was created by Kreia; she admits as much at the end of the game, just as she admits that she made your character feel the Force again, through her.

Ironically Ludo Kressh's tomb has more of an impact on a Light Side Exile than Malachor V does.

@Majin_Koolaid

7 ай бұрын

Weird seeing it called that, though I know that you're correct. To me it was always 'the cave on Korriban', or 'Shyrak Cave' or even the force cave.

@Necromancer4267

7 ай бұрын

@@Majin_Koolaid It's IN the cave... The Tomb and the Cave are separate locations.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Indeed...

I was thinking about the reason Kreia wasn't killed by her apprentices. The only explanation I can be reasonably certain of is that they were afraid her spirit would possess them after her death.

@PapitoQinn

7 ай бұрын

Sion and Nihilus? Oh they were just cocky. "Stripped of the Force, she couldn't possibly be able to survive without it. I certainly can't." It's something the Sith and the Jedi share.

@michaelandreipalon359

7 ай бұрын

Can't blame them. Even I think Kreia resurrected in the form of pre-Denningverse Vergere.

@starlighter930617

7 ай бұрын

I always thought they didn't kill Kreia because she pulled the same card she pulled on the Exile: "We have a lethal bond. If I die, you would die, too." I don't believe that lethal bond ever existed, though.

Krei is essentially a Wi-Fi hotspot for the force. Nice vid.

I once heard that KOTOR 2 had some kind of data book that stated Kreia had become so strong in the force by the end of the game that she could have crushed the exile in their final confrontation had she really wanted to, but since it wasn't her goal, she didn't. I don't know how much truth there is to this since I've never found evidence of such a book, but if it is true then Kreia did indeed grow super powerful by leeching power through the exile, something that might also have helped her create the great force deafening echo had it come to her needing to sacrifice herself and the exile's lives to create it

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

That would be the campaign guide I believe you're talking about.

Mind blown 🤯

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Job Done.

The questions is: what about the companions on Malachor V? They didn't look like they feel anything either

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

That's a fair point...

I just want to say you produce some of, if not the best KOTOR 1&2 content on KZread. Thank you so much for what you do. I’ve been binging your streams all day and now I need you to do a canon light run through to get my fix lol. Did the hopium from last night work? I couldn’t get back to your live stream from yesterday.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

It sadly didn't work haha - but thank you!

Another theory I’ve sometimes wondered about is if Kreia-or, at least her role as Darth Traya-is even more ancient than she appears. When she finally reveals herself to Atris late in the game, Kreia says things like, “Atris, I have *always* been here” and, “But there must *always* be a Darth Traya…”. Also, if the Exile chooses to kill Atris after their battle in the Telos academy, Kreia will speak to the Exile through the Sith holocrons in the meditation chamber, saying [paraphrasing]: “These holocrons contain my teachings, from *long ago* …”. Given that the end of the Mandalorian wars and Kreia’s fall to the dark side was only about nine years ago at that point, can that really be considered so “long ago”? Or, is “Darth Traya” a title, or even a consciousness, that has existed long before (and, presumably, long after) the lifetime of even Kreia herself? If such is the case, then the way Walter Pater once described the Mona Lisa painting seems apt for Darth Traya, too: “She is older than the rocks among which she sits; like the vampire, she has been dead many times, and learned the secrets of the grave; and has been a diver in deep seas, and keeps their fallen day about her…”. But is all of this true? Probably not. Still, it’s sorta fun to think about. 🤷‍♂️ Great video!

@DBArtsCreators

6 ай бұрын

Kreia doesn't say "I've always been here" in the base game. That content was cut; the unofficial TSLRCM restored it, which it shouldn't have. Also, Kreia may have 'fallen' before the end of the Mandalorian Wars (she was exiled at/before the start of the Mandalorian Wars after all, not at their end, and she had taught during the time of Exar-Kun & Ulich Qel-Droma).

I have played KOTOR 2 for perhaps a thousand hours and I've never had her stab herself. whoa

I love the idea that Kreia gaslights the force itself into letting Surik use the force

If it weren't for the Exile feeding off her companions connections to the force, She would have died on first contact with Sion. Jedi and Sith alike use the force to guide and fuel their intent in lightsaber duels. Bane: Path of Destruction explains this very well. Without the force to guide and refine your intent, or to read your opponents, a duelist would quickly be overwhelmed, or eventually overwhelmed if they are very skilled on a purley martial level.

Wow, This is a theory that I've had in the back of my mind since the game released and I've not heard anyone talk about it at all. It's nice to hear other people have come to the same conclusion!

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

You're not alone now!

I think this is an awesome theory, and it plays really nicely into the themes of the game. Regarding why the exile didn't feel anything on Malachor, i like to believe that she actually did feel soemthing. But her journey of healing and re-discovering who she is made her own will stronger than the pain she was feeling, so much so that she is able to return to a place of trauma and walk amongst it knowing all this pain is behind her. She is able to accept the events that transpired and move on from them for the sake of a better future. And instead of being paralyzed or controlled by your traumatic past, you instead learn from it to ensure no one else ever feels the pain you feel. And on top of all that, Kreia showed the exile she can heal herself *without* the force, that its not the force who brings the healint, but *you* and the effort you put in, proving Kreia's thesis that you can indeed carve your own path without the force guiding it. Honestly, what more of a beautiful message is there than saying who you are is more than the trauma and the pain of your past, and that no one but you can control your own path?

God I love KOTOR, theres just so much to think of

DUH DUH DUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!!!! Nah but seriously, i love this theory, i think we are onto something here.

When you first asked what if the exile didn’t actually feel the force I began to wonder if they are other powers in the Star Wars universe, perhaps even inside of these wounds.

@TheCrispmister

7 ай бұрын

Night sisters.

perhaps, as the exile is slowly healing over the course of the game, as she trains her companions to feel the force, her ability to form bonds could be returning, slowly, overtime, allowing her to form the bonds the masters spoke of in the enclave at dantooine. The exiles ability to form bonds so easily and so quickly could be the reason why she started forming bonds again so easily as she healed. in the beginning, this theory was probably the correct one.

I think , like many fans you think way more about these things than the writers and devs did 😂 Great stuff, would love to see it explored again in another game/movie. And no, I think the Exile's plot armor protects on Malachor V (always struck me as strange too)

Sorry if it's rambley, it's pretty late. I think the Exile could still use the Force after Kreia's death. More, the Exile's spirit after her death keeps Revan fed by allowing him to feed on the Force through her. I think the vergence of the Force is in her as well as the wound, creating a feedback loop that allows her to feed on the Force and/or feeding on those she defeats whilst also generating power through the vergence or something like that. The chain was used by Kreia to simply leech off her growing power. After Kotor 2's events, Meetra figured out how Kreia did it and as a spirit she chained herself to Revan the way around, willingly feeding him whilst he wrestled with the mind of Darth Vitiate. I have an additional thing I speculate to be true. The vergence was already there which drawn others in, the thing that made her a natural leader and a cipher. The wound came later that would have killed her since the wound drawn in more Force energy than her vergence produced when almost everyone (CONNECTED TO HER) was dying around her. Kreia reawakened the vergence by binding with it, feeding it. The wound has healed somewhat on its own as the Exile withdrawn herself from others for years after the Mandalorian Wars in a similar manner Nathema healed after Vitiate's death so it did not take a whole lot for Kreia to restart the Force-generator if you will and when the vergence produced more power than the wound consumed, the Exile felt the Force again. I think what Kreia wanted was to make the Exile as powerful as she can get and then with a feedback loop she would have detonated a sort of Force wound bomb by killing her allowing the wound to consume the vergence's power blinding all life to the Force in the galaxy which would also explain why she never cared which side the Exile actually chose because power is power. The Exile chose not to feel the Force, it wasn't taken from her, she simply did not want to die to the wound and when the vergence became stronger than the wound's influence she started hearing the Force again weakly at first but as she started gathering allies and friends, the vergence powered up too. In the Dark Side version of events Sith can feed on their prey and that was not done through the wound by normal Sith ways it fed the vergence. Again, sorry for the ramble but I think this makes sense and also makes Kreia that much bigger of a lying manipulator.

I always thought of the exhile as being a light side wound in the force. Opposite of nilhis. While he caused death and destruction through his wound, the exhile brought healing and connecting people. This is an awesome video!

Only once have i heard the term force vengeance when Qui-gon Jinn told the Jedi council about young Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace. Tremendous and amazing video my friend!!!!! For years I've tried to comprehend and understand Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile even before playing KOTOR 2. I understand she had to cut herself off from the force after giving the order to activate the Mass Shadow Generator on Malachor V because it would have overwhelmed her to feel all that death and pain from what had happened. The Jedi council didn't feel anything from her when she was exiled but perhaps she wasn't completely severed from the force and why she able to bound with Kreia on Peragus. Master's Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai-Ell talked a lot about her abilities to form bounds with others as a Padawan. I still don't know everything about wounds in the force and as you said my friend at the end of game Meetra is healed from her wound and not feeling the affects of being on Malachor V and the death of Darth Traya. I'm skeptical about that because I'm going back to what Zez-Kai-Ell said to the Exile on Dantooine as she fought across all the world's she visited and killed hundreds to only become more powerful because she feeds on it by consuming force energy although i won't compare it to Darth Nihilus's ability of force drain. Another issue is because Meetra is a wound in the force then she wasn't able to feel the lure of the dark side even though the game gives you the option to play light or dark side. Your theory is interesting my friend but my opinion is that Meetra wasn't completely cut off from the force after Malachor V because she was still able in the game to bound with Kreia and influence her companions to follow her

After playing Jedi: Fallen Order and then playing through Kotor 2, I have found that their stories are close in similarity. Not necessarily outright rip-offs but a clarification that helps make sense of the flaws in the plots. The Exile and Cal both start with a limited almost restricted link in the Force. Through retraining and lulls in “Memory Lane” their ability in the Force not only returns but is drastically improved.

I always assumed this was just the plot of the game. I mean if you think about the companions gaining force powers and the party growing in strength, I don't see why that wouldn't feed Kriea as well. Maybe I'm not as versed in the lore as I once was to be able to explain this but the way she talks to Atton and examines him through the force, it feels like she's scanning him for power. And it feels like she does that with Visas as well at some point.

The K.O.T.O.R theorist. Will you do a theory on the first game?

Wow

Excellent theory sir! I never thought of that.

2:47 Super excited to see the rest of your theory and the evidence for it. Before seeing the whole video, my initial thoughts are: The exile most likely did reconnect to the force. My reasons for thinking this are two fold. One, mechanically, the force powers featured for the player character are the same ones that the player character’s new Jedi/Sith party members can utilize. Two, in the lore, it’s explained that the player character is a “wound” and implied that “wounds” in the force can be healed just like physical wounds. I think the PC’s connection to the force and gaining new powers over time is this “healing” process.

I never believed the Exile WAS a WOUND. She shut off her connection to the Force on her own volition, and In confronting her "evils" she reknit that bond. And the wounds, Nihilis, and Malachor, get closed, but Kreia told the exile all that crap to cause a dependence on her, and a doubt and uncertainty in themselves.

@AzraelThanatos

7 ай бұрын

I assumed it was more of that the wound was inflicted on the Exile. Same as a stab would or similar. With Scion and Nihilus, they had wounds that they festered and turned into monsters. But with a wound, it is impled to be something that can also be healed...and healed injuries can be stronger for it

@Zeithri

7 ай бұрын

The Exile _never_ uses the Force. They *can't* use the Force. Instead they twist the Force through others, using it through others. Therefore, they are a solitary blind spot of which the force cannot pass. The less said about how SWTOR did the Exile dirty the better...

Interesting. If the chain allowed you to call upon the powers of the previous links, then it explains why new links can be formed (because kreia knows how to do it). You can take it further and say that that fact is why you can learn the powers you can learn.

I think this holds up across the board. Great stuff!

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I’d say this idea is pretty well established in the game, I took it as the true intent. Hence why your companions consistently remark on your ability to influence them and it goes beyond simply being a leader. It’s like the qualities of leadership found synthesis with this wound and it’s how you use it that changes those around you. Hence why you’re helping them rediscover their connections to the Force. All the force sensitive party members were touched by Malachor, and almost as though you’re helping each other through the trauma, you can also feed off of their Force connections like a syphon. You’re like a parasite, and you can choose if you’re a force for good or not. That’s my take, but I’ve always gotten that impression from my numerous play-throughs through the game and I’ve seen many others get a similar impression from their time with it.

I like that theory, the things you pointed out are interesting and you might be aiming properly. I always assumed Kreia is somewhat of a parasite to Exile when it comes to the Force, she's obsessed with the Exile and there is obviously a force bond. Hey I have an idea! That if they are a DYAD IN THE FOR-don't shoot, don't shoot!

I love the theory. It goes beyond the force

I resisted for a week, but the title finally brought me in. I love this game.

@100StarWars

6 ай бұрын

You can't resist KOTOR my friend.

Luke you are such a passionate person when It comes to this please never change my dude i love your content

Kriea would have to be with you everywhere to achieve what this theory implies. It's a lot of stretching and it ignores the other times she has genuine approval of the Exile and other such scenes.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Why would she need to be with you?

@AshersAesera

7 ай бұрын

@@100StarWars It's one thing to make someone think they can feel the force. But if they try to use it, and nothing happens there might be issues. The theory proposes that she's weak and is using the Exile to regain that strength. Her achieving this extreme range application of the Force in a weaken state is a stretch.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Well, you have to consider that Kreia isn't actually away from the Exile in any real capacity throughout game.

@AshersAesera

7 ай бұрын

@@100StarWars If you're suggesting she's stealthing to stay with the party, does that include Korriban?

I am GMing a long-haul KOTOR 3 RPG right now based on the original concept for the third game (we're about 2 years in right now), and your videos really help me with lore, world building, and keeping true to the story. Thanks you! On that note, do you guys think Kreia met with Revan again after KOTOR and left known space and after she was cast out by Nihlius and Sion? She seemed to know why he left and where he was going (specifically regarding him leaving T3, HK, and the Hawk behind). If so, why do you think he didn't take her with him, or she didn't go with him? If not, how do you think she got his ship? Also, why do you think he "didn't need" HK, T3, and the Hawk? Do you think it was a matter of foresight, that he knew they would be more useful in Kreia's/The Exile's hands, or do you think he was able to travel to the Sith worlds without a ship, or something else completely? What do you think?

@ASNS117Zero

7 ай бұрын

The answer that most people won't like but is most likely IMO - There is no real answer, and Avellone probably hadn't thought that hard about it.

@harrykirkham220

7 ай бұрын

Kreia knows about the sith empire and knows him well enough to presume that’s where’s he’s gone. At least that’s what I got from it. Not taking HK is kinda weird honestly. You can dismiss it as not wanting to waste too many lives of his friends, only taking T3 as a necessity. If you want an answer for your campaign (which sounds very cool btw) it could be that he was supposed to remain as a library of information to kill Jedi/sith should the need arise in the future. I think the “conniving practicality” of Revan is something we don’t really know how much of it remained after his “redemption”

The main issue with your theory is that you ignore Kreia's confirmation that she has made the Exile feel the Force again; that wasn't a lie. While Kreia likely was drawing off the Exile's growing power, the Exile was legitimately growing in power. Her nature was like Nihlius's is, but lacked the detrimental effect of her requiring her to feed on the Force to live. Instead, those bonded to her would instead draw on her for power (similar to connecting to a rechargeable battery). Light or dark, positive influence or negative influence, that was the nature of the Exile's abilities. To absorb power from those around her, and then feed it back into herself & those around her. The 2nd issue is that the Exile never regained her connection to the Force after killing Kreia - that would have defeated the purpose of all her trainings & teachings that she gave the Exile. The Exile's power is that, even after healing, she was still a deadspot in the Force, outside of its influence. Reconnecting takes away the Exile's free will and makes her subject to the Force's will again, like everyone else (especially Revan) was. She was meant to teach others how to safely disconnect from the Force, and she'd need to remain severed from the Force herself to do so - and still severed, but no longer transmitting her pain, is the state she's in after beating Kreia & Malachor. As for her still being able to use the Force: that comes from her having bonded to so many other things since being fed the Force through Kreia (in other words, if she somehow burned out all her Force points after the fact and didn't have any bonds to draw upon, she'd once again be a Force-free entity). (Also note that plan A was the Exile's success & making a new Force philosophy. Plan B was amplifying the echo & potentially killing all life in the galaxy to cut off the Force's influence).

Me using my make believe force powers to spam force crush on Traya in the final boss fight…

Considering that your XP gain is greater while Kreia is in your active party, is interesting.

This was amazing!!!

It's almost like, through the chain, your light side choices use it to heal the wound while steps to the dark side embrace it. I think the Exile heals the wound through the force vergance, not Kraia herself.

Interesting theory, but the masters explain at the end that Meetra is able to create force bonds quickly, which enhances her connection to the force. As a wound in the force, she feels the force because of those around her, but it's strengthened by the deaths around her. She's like a black-hole in the force, gaining strength with death instead of life.

Excellent, exquisite, phenomenal video and analysis

I love this theory video. I also agree it's kinda bad writing to compare Malacore to Nathema. Malacore was stepped in the Drak Side, while Nathema was completely dead and devoid of the Force all together.

I think Kreia flat out tells you that yoir power growing is a result of surrounding yourself with other force sensitives and basically just channeling it from them ( or something like that).

Hat's off to you good sir. That's a great theory! Enriches the overall game even more!

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Lol Kreia was never trying to heal the Exile. She wanted to kill the Exile on Malachor V so the Wound and Echo would create an endless feedback loop where no one could use nor feel the force.

A bit of a late comment, but I think I have a reasonable answer for why The Exile is able to teach others to use the Force. Throughout the game, the Exile (at least the LS Exile) has been traveling to planets that are in one way or another tied to her trauma. True to Chodo Habat's word, it's possible that the Exile helping to heal not only the trauma of the planets she visits but also the trauma of her companions is what restores her connection to the Force. Apart from the droids, the Exile effectively leads Mical, Atton, Mira, Bao-Dur, and Visas to confront their traumas and resolve their issues that stem from it. In turn, the Exile herself heals the connection to the Force through them and coming to terms with her past actions. As for Malachor V, I wonder if the Exile doesn't feel the effects that Kreia describes is because she arrives with the purpose of resolving the trauma stemming from there and healing the wound. By the end, it also seems like the Exile has influenced Kreia to recognize how she truly feels. Maybe Malachor V itself responds to the Exile through Kreia by giving her a vision of the future of everything and everyone.

The biggest wrench in this is the novel and the swtor flashpoint where her force ghost shows up. I would love the two games to get the remake treatment maybe even elaborate more on things that need it.

You should do a review of the Revan book, because I actually like it and I’m interested as to why you don’t.

Love your channel bro, fantastic theory from a fantastic game!

Fun theory but I think you have a few things backwards. So we know the force is all about balance. So when a wound like Nihilus who consumes force is made we can assume an opposite to that is made & that’s what I believe Meetra is. Remember she shut herself off from the force because of the feeling of lose from all the death. So when she opens herself up to the force again & starts setting thing right she’s not only healing her connection to the force but the force itself. Kreia gets strong by being around Meetra same as all the other companions because the force is literally flowing out of her like a fountain. Thats why the other wounds in the force don’t really affect her. She’s pushing out so much force that it can’t even reach her. Remember she didn’t just turn her companions who had little to no force training into Jedi. Because of her they became masters & rebuilt the entire Jedi order.

This is really good! There’s so much to these games, we were so Lucky and blessed to grow up playing theses games I’ve currently been rewriting the second half of the novel REVAN because I feel the exile wasn’t written very well, I felt like she was made weaker and slaughtered just to fit some side quest rubbish in the old republic game.

Bro what if u started uploading these in podcast form?? I could honestly listen to you talk about star wars for ages

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Podcast form?

@BADSOI

7 ай бұрын

@@100StarWars yeah like, just posting the audio to Spotify and other platforms as a podcast! Your doing great work on this channel here btw! Appreciate the lore vids and the battle against biased game journalism 🙃

It might be the same principle as blanks from 40k. Blanks are essentially anti-psychers whose mere presence nullifies the power of the Warp. However, exceptionally powerful blanks, also known as Pariahs, can be trained to absorb warp energy from psychers or warp entities and use it against them. Maybe the Exile is subconsciously using the bonds she forges with others to harness and utilize their collective connection to the Force.

You Are Truly The best You Know U actually Made me feel like finishing your vids i never skip them such amazing work guys sub to this guy for what he does.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

@DarthRevanGaming-xx6vj

7 ай бұрын

And also when you where at 99k subs so i subed and you made it congrats. @@100StarWars

First great theory, I enjoyed this one. My thoughts on the exile was stripped of the living force and in it's stead was the cosmic force and the exile began to free their minds enough to tap into it as most force users cannot easily if at all tap into the cosmic force

Thank you for making this

Such an awesome narrator

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Didnt think this was a theory. Thus was always my interpretation of kotor2 since first playing.

I always thought that the wound let her have access to abilities that mimic the force.

Such an amazing game.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Amen

It is possible that the force vergence of kreia sinks into the wound of malachor, like slack on a long chain, allowing the exile to harm her…

The issue of Malchor's pain is not brought up directly in dialogue, but it is mentioned after you leave the ship and are making your way to the Academy that you feel the pain, if I remember my game play correctly. I believe that this does not overly strain the Exile as she was there at the moment of Malchor's creation as a wound. Thus ahe has long lived with the pain of Malchor for years. Its pain is hers with the opposite being true as well. For this reason, she feels the pain less than another being would. My view of this severing has long been that Kreia connects to the Exile, and through Kreia, the Exile has access to the Force. However, over time, the Exile's connection to the Force recovers and grows, and passes the link between her and Kreia, much as a baby first needs the umbilical cord but after birth the cord is unnecessary. I believe that this is complete before the final confrontation with the Jedi Masters on Dantooine who try to cut the Exile off again. I believe it is hinted that the Exile uses the potential Jedi to gradually strengthen her connection to the Force, which would weaken her reliance upon Kreia to access and use the Force. It also gives her the ability to heal the wound. In part because she cut herself off from the Force, she also severed her connection to life around her. By reconnecting to people, the Exile also connects back to the Force and begins to heal.

Great theory. I like it. But while i think it could have some truth to it,there is one more fact that oppses this theroy. I think it was Chodo Habat and his apprantice who had a conversation about the way the exile feels the force. How it causes her immenese pain just to feel it, and how strong she has to be to be able to endure it, yet she doesn't turn away from it. Which would also explain the first time the exile leves up why is there a dialouge option for "no, not this agian" as she is feeling the pain that is connected to her connection to the force due to beign a wound in it.

I love the theory, tho on my last play through I recall someone saying that you feel the force through your companions

Calling Naruto, Naroooto, was your first sin.

I don't usually believe in theories. But I totally believe this lol.

Have you ever thought about doing Old Republic style Star Wars what ifs? I feel like that would be fire! Also, if you are so interested, Pente Patrol Star Wars has a “What if the Sith Empire invaded the Republic during the clone wars” series. It’s great. All of the Sith Lords including Old Republic Sith Lords are in it

I think the biggest disproof I could provide to this theory is that for Kreia to trick The Exile into thinking she could feel the force, Kreia would need to use the force to manipulate the Exile's thoughts, which wouldn't be possible, since the Exile couldn't feel the force

Thank you for the awesome video Lukeyyyyyy 😘🥰❤️

I will always watch a KotOR theory video. Just the story is so intriguing and thought provoking on the philosophical side of life. I'm shocked there is still more and more to consider by the month and am all for it!!! Make games great again. It's funny how KotOR was realistically unfinished and unpolished and was playable start to finish and repayable in single player... as opposed to AAA games today...

The exile to me at least is very much like a real life black hole. It is there, except you cant see it or do anything to it unless it interacts with something else. And that interaction is one way, only in to the event horizon. Like how no one can really sense the exile or kreia because they are not entirely within the force. Hence why only other "force eaters" like mr nihilus can sense them. This kinda reminds of D&D antimagic, especially dead magic zones mechanic, places where all supernatural shit simply ceases to function.

this did blow my mind.. i cant look at the story the same.

Gotta tell ya, my absolute memorabilia would be a canon edition of book of the sith 💯❤️

One thing of note is that there is technically more than one "Force." The Nightsisters of Dathomir use "magicks" which is highly unlike any Force ability. It is possible it is some sort of energy that is separate from the Force, or it could just be a strange manifestation of it. If it is indeed not the Force, that could have serious implications. But one energy that definitely isn't the Force is what is known by the Sorcerers of Rand as "The Dark." They believe The Dark is an energy far stronger than The Force and that it seeks the destruction of all reality. Any who swear to carry out its will are rewarded with power. They claim that it is not the Force they are using, but the Dark. The thing is, the Dark almost certainly exists. The powers the Sorcerers gain from it come when they destroy, but it weakens when they become complacent with reality and instead seek to conquer and rule. This happened to one Sorcerer known as Cronal. He was once a Sorceror of Rand and was incredibly powerful, he could even see the future. He joined Palpatine as head of Imperial Intelligence. By doing this, he served the dark side of the Force, which is not the Dark. Though the dark side is destructive and chaotic, it is still the Force. His powers started to wain as he served conquest of existence rather than its destruction. This would lead to his death. Even Abeloth was a being of the Force, and though she spread chaos and death across the galaxy, she did not seek to complete eradicate reality. It was not the Dark she used, but the dark side of the Force. Therefore, if the Dark is real, it could be more powerful than Abeloth. The Dark feeds on destruction and death. Wounds in the Force are caused by massive tragedies causing immense loss of life. Could it be that the wound in the Force is an aspect of the Dark? And is the Dark granting the exile the power she thinks is the Force? Kreia's plan to essentially kill the Force is also the primary objective of the Dark.

I've always seen the chain/bond as feeding force energy from Kreia into the exile, in such a way that initially at least the exile had no real control or connection to the force outside of what Kreia was sharing through the bond. It seems that Kreia wanted another wound in the force to experiment with. After her dealings with Nihlus i assumed she wanted another subject to experiment on the unique properties of someone connected to a wound in the force in order to further her agenda of looking for a way to subvert the living will of the force.

Ur just a W as always bro!

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

But then Meetra has the force when she saves Revan later on?

@Majin_Koolaid

7 ай бұрын

Probably has a Force Chain with Revan, you know how she was kinda his right hand woman.

You uh… you realize a chain is a type of “bond” yeah? :b its used to bind you

@Jiggymaru

7 ай бұрын

I think "chain" carries the implication that it's not a mutual bond. Meaning that one person is in control, whereas a bond is a mutually formed connection that requires both parties to be connected to the force individually, and then to each other.

@1-800-PlsAdoptMe

7 ай бұрын

@@Jiggymaru I was making a grammatical joke dude

@Jiggymaru

7 ай бұрын

@@1-800-PlsAdoptMe lol my b

Why didn’t the complete destruction of Alderaan create a wound in the force? All of those millions of deaths, all at once.

@100StarWars

7 ай бұрын

It did! Alderaan became a wound. That's why Obi-Wan felt it from lightyears a way.

@revansgaming5303

7 ай бұрын

@@100StarWars You’re right, I need to rewatch Starwars 😂

Pretty sure they tell you in game that because you’re a wound you feed on the force connection of the enemies you kill

Love theory!