To see a game as knights of the old republic still being talked about and discussed today shows just how amazing these games were

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

100%

@DontPretendtoCare

2 ай бұрын

I agree, attachment is for the weak and pathetic.

@DEADGAMESINC

2 ай бұрын

Meanwhile -- modern woke "games" be like...

@user-yd4el3ts2e

2 ай бұрын

@@DEADGAMESINC They are almost clueless and arogant as the jedi. the modern woke game makers i mean.

@immy4104

2 ай бұрын

@@user-yd4el3ts2e the irony here is unbelievable...

"Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you."

@onimaxblade8988

2 ай бұрын

The best part about that line is that if you really do spend enough time with Kreia that really isn't a surprise in the slightest. It still.... Really hits. But Kreia is very upfront and transparent with you the entire time. You get to that line and you nod your head. You know it's true. But the shaping of your character, the journey you take working through all the details, and all the different positions in the game... You have still realized something profound along the way, even if things aren't so different from when you began.

@efxnews4776

2 ай бұрын

@@onimaxblade8988 to me Kotor 2, especailly the end of it is the BEST Star Wars has to offer, i respect the legacy of GL, but Kotor is like a aged fine wine, it has everything that makes a good SW, but mixed with more mature themes and concepts, Nietzche isn't for kids, it's not the simple, good x evil, is far more complex than that, yet lots of kids love it.

@allengordon6929

Ай бұрын

A lesson all star wars fans should know.

@smartalec2001

Ай бұрын

​@@onimaxblade8988I don't think Kreia is up front and transparent with you, a lot of what she tells you are outright lies. The whole quest starts because of things she tells you, that turn out to be untrue. She manipulates you into doing what she thinks you need. It's only at the end, when she feels you've earned it, that she starts being clear.

"When the Sith Empire arrives in KotOR, they don't announce themselves. They just... appear." I...

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

🥶

@headoverheels88

2 ай бұрын

It's a good observation. That the Dark Side isn't a carefully crafted war machine, but instead is a force of nature. Uncaring and relentless. I think that makes it scarier than any of fascist imagery the more recent films tried to ape.

@bromazepam781

2 ай бұрын

Just like a continent-wide firestorm starts as a small flicker of flame in a bush, in the outback.

@JustSomeLint

2 ай бұрын

​@@headoverheels88I was going to say the imagery was always there. And then I saw the 88 in your name. And realized it wasn't worth it. The empire was always fascist man.

@headoverheels88

2 ай бұрын

@@JustSomeLint First of all, weirdly aggressive. Get a life. Second of all, I know you're ancient but please know we have these things called "streaming services" where you can see movies, even the ones before you're born. Ask your grandkids to have it set it up for you. Third, the recent ones have gone over-board in the imagery in the way the first didn't. As someone with a political science degree from an ivy league who has had to study exactly this, I stand by that.

I like Atton's comment on how most people in the galaxy doesn't even understand the difference between Jedi and Sith, but are caught up in their conflicts anyway. It does kind of undermind the moral high ground of the Jedi.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Bro was spittin'

@MALICEM12

Ай бұрын

It is called Star WARS for a reason. Most of the wars are centered around the Jedi and sith, not just regular folk

@jeghaterdegforfaen

Ай бұрын

@@MALICEM12 That's why their perspective is interesting. It adds depth to the universe. Makes it more compelling in my opinion.

@alexanderlaird6206

Ай бұрын

I mean its not like its the jedi starting wars for their own interests, "most people in the galaxy" would be dead a hundred times over without them

@MALICEM12

Ай бұрын

@@alexanderlaird6206 you don't have to intentionally be a problem, to be a problem. Thus why kreia wanted to kill the force.

no other star wars could have line as deep as "To believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it, it is something no sith or jedi has ever truly learns."

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Very well put.

@efxnews4776

2 ай бұрын

Kotor games are more smarter than i am, and i love them for it!

@Slowpoke3x

Ай бұрын

True, but you have to remember ideals might be stronger then the person who believes it. That means that just because you believe something to be true doesn't necessarily follow that the person who believes it simply doesn't have to inner strength or outer strength to make it a reality. To contradict Keira's quote, if a ideal seems to fail because it couldn't withstand external factors, does not necessarily follow that it's not true or worth believing in.

@smartalec2001

Ай бұрын

That's exactly what Darth Traya, the Lord of Betrayal, would say... trying to convince people to betray themselves and what they stand for. Like Sion's pain and Nihilus' hunger, it's just what she does.

I was scared this would just be a rehash of "Philosophy of Kreia", but you proofed me wrong. Stellar job (pun intended)!

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

We like the Philosophy of Gilroyscopa4872

@muddlewait8844

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that video really needed a response; moreover, it needed THIS response. I’m so glad it’s in the world.

@DesRaven

Ай бұрын

Kreia, also known by the fans as a deeply well written character. Unlike other ones who deepest trait is "I'm a girl".

@bakshev

Ай бұрын

proved*

I think kotor 2 was the game that completely changed me as a person because it started putting all these ideas of challenging ideology and personal choice in perspective, to realign ones own morals against the greater scheme of humanity and see that there is no perfect way to be human, only to try and keep on making the choice for the betterment of all.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Completely changed my life as well.

@DontPretendtoCare

2 ай бұрын

Morals aren't real.

@davidorawe3931

2 ай бұрын

I'm happy to see someone else had this experience! I was a teen when the second came out and I experienced seeing the universe as such a bigger, more tragically beautiful place. Forever grateful to the experience we shared (hearing that KOTOR 2 theme music brings me right back there every time).

@capadociaash8003

2 ай бұрын

@@DontPretendtoCareI’m sure glad most people don’t think like you

@Sirfinchyyy

2 ай бұрын

To err is human. We are not perfect and will never be. Even the most beneficial of beliefs are flawed in some way, even if we dont know how.

It’s crazy to me how kotor built on the prequels practically as they came out in a way that feature films failed to roughly 10 years later

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

An Old Republic show needs to happen.

@Ahzuv2

2 ай бұрын

No kotor built on the prequels before the prequels which was totj

@ZetaMagnus

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheCouch-Co-Op Needed.

@kalelson8861

2 ай бұрын

Just not Disney please God no

@TheFireHawk7

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCouch-Co-Op, word. Animate it like Clones Wars/Bad Batch, or spend mega-bucks on Live Action.

The music in kotor 2 was hauntingly great. It definitely set the tone for the themes in the game.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

One of the most underrated videogame scores.

I always liked how Kotor 2 mirrored Lucas's outlook on the jedi, they represent the "good" side, but can still make mistakes born of arrogance or self-righteousnes. Like how they do not join the war against the Mandalorians, but at the moment Revan appears with his "Sith" fleet, the whole order jumps to fight with him.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

We love nuanced storytelling.

As a PhD student in philosophy, I can only say: Thank god, a KZreadr that speaks about philosophy who understands it. You are totally right with Nietzsche, and that is rare. Most people think that he was a nihilist, what is wrong. Thanks for that stimulating video.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Your comment is appreciated

@HawaiianShirtGuy

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCouch-Co-Op Just a heads up. His name is pronounced "Knee-Cha" not "Knee-Chee" :)

@MALICEM12

Ай бұрын

Indeed, if anything he was trying to understand and solve nihilism. Not adhere to it.

@remain_

Ай бұрын

I read recently that Thoreau is often portrayed as rejecting people when he in fact loved visitors to his famed cabin- at which he only lived for two years. It seems that his goal wasn't to get away from people, but to get away from being part of the rat race and spend his precious time on the things he loved. (I'm not a philosopher or historian. It's just my understanding from recent articles.)

@ExeErdna

Ай бұрын

He came up with Nihilism to reject it to learn of his ideals to just stop at Nihilism is half-assing it. Which is what a lot of people do. If there's nothing more then MAKE more do well by people so when they do finally pass they had an amazing existence as they go into the void. Don't make life that very void for others because they deserve better.

In this day in age I hear talk from people complaining about how we are growing to be illiterate to our media. That we don't truly understand the ins and outs of what we consume. And yet in the vast stars of the internet I see a heart filled deep dive such as this, passionately talking of an amazing story, coming to conclusions and comparing and contrasting what we know of our world with that of the sci-fi fantasy world we all know and love. It brings me joy to listen to and it's an analysis that could make a man cry strangely enough. It's something that brings hope in this vast ocean of nihilism. Well done, and well made my guy.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

@RainCityDrip

Ай бұрын

Well stated 🤙

G talking about good games is exactly what the world needs rn

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Gouch

Thanks to Chris Avellone and Obsidian team, people are still talks about KOTOR and still remember what actually makes Star Wars great. Its a story about warning people not to be evil just to be evils sake and not to be good just for your own conscience. As Kreia asks time after time; think things through before you help people or sever the connection harshly. As Bindo says you need to learn to be a human being before you have great power and responsibillity.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Something something Spiderman.

@WickedPrince3D

2 ай бұрын

Good point. If anything this is maybe the failing of the Old Jedi Order, that even though they taught Jedi that all life is part of The Force they expected Jedi to both support life, and keep themselves separated from it so as to avoid being tempted to corrupted by it.

@JerbilKonai

2 ай бұрын

@@WickedPrince3D Serve the Force, but don't use it. Serve Life, but don't be in it. Essentially: don't be a force user and hide away. Be Mitraa Surik, the Exile. And since Surik is a hole in the force, this can extend to: be the death of the Force, be Kreya.

@WickedPrince3D

2 ай бұрын

@@JerbilKonaiI think my opinion of Mitraa would differ from yours. But I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at here. If perhaps those first lines are your interpretation of the Jedi or if it's an alternate philosophy. Jedi did use the Force; they just didn't abuse it; force it to do THEIR bidding; use it against itself; etc, their approach was more passive. IMHO Mitraa wasn't a hole in the Force; she'd removed herself from it to save herself from Darkside corruption during Malachor V. Other Force Users didn't understand her, and couldn't sense her, but she was still there. She used others something like a blind-man's white cane to help tap out The Force so she could use it; while remaining somewhat distanced to protect herself from corruption. The Force Bond between Mitraa and Kreia for instance proves that Mitraa was present in the Force; but in a way that wasn't obvious to other Force Users. Additionally, I can't consider Mitraa a true hole in the Force when she was instrumental in re-creating the Jedi Order.

@JerbilKonai

Ай бұрын

​@@WickedPrince3D One thing of note: I wasn't going for your opinion in particular, but rather what I got out of your post. So, sorry for the @ . It is hard to make a note where an idea originates in a thread and keep things stylisticly simple. I may have simplified things to make both "rules" similar sounding, but the expanded reasoning was: (Rules of the Jedi Order:) Serve the force, but don't use it (selfishly, otherwise you fall to the dark). Serve life, but don't be in it (for your own sake). From that I go for one extreme solution of those two rules: Don't use the force (don't be a force user) Don't let life happen to you (hide away) Both approaches are what Surik did before the events of KOTOR 2. And to be fair, even some of the other Jedi Masters (to a degree). The hole comment may have been me misremembering whether or not Kreya called Surik a hole or echo or if the monicer hole was meant for Darth Nihilus. If Surik was said to be a hole, then my comment stands, if she was an echo though... I'd understand an echo as essentially a give and take: give what you take, which I can't put on any character in particular. Though maybe that is an interesting point, when noone is perfect. In a sense Anakin was like an echo, returning kindness for kindness and harm for harm. Only when he failed to do so with Padme on Mustafar did he truly fail as a golden child of the Force (I don't consider the fight between Maze Windu and the Chancelor as a failing of that rule, as the Chancelor's actions seemed to be kind to Anakin, while Windu and the other masters were more clear in showing their critique than their kindness). And if she was an echo of the force, maybe she never could be a healer of it, as she would return the twists inflicted by use of the dark as well. Which only means the Order may be a reflection of what it once was, even if made better, and therefor destined to eventually repeat the errors of the past: have their members rush into a war they don't fully understand, take the sith lords down but are reduced to the last, who then rebuilds. In that sense Surik and Luke are mirrors of each other, like Anakin and Revan are mirrors. A war, the death of the order, masters in hiding, a fallen Jedi eventually redeemed, a second war, and someone who returns to the order to rebuild it. If one thinks about it, quite a lot of similarities. If only there was a lighthouse for a Bioshock reference as well :b

KOTOR I was great, but KOTOR II was next level in terms of story, atmosphere and philosophy (especially with Kreia).

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more.

@subjectnivleis7572

Ай бұрын

​@@TheCouch-Co-Opkreia:revan never fell the republic would have fallen had revan not gone to war the council did not change revan as they claim they mearly striped away the surface and allowed the true self to return one who was willing to wage war to save other but that is what I belive as a master knows there apprentice

I love KOTOR for showing art that makes you think there'll be some light vs. dark battle like Atris against Nihilus, yet that literally never happens. The story is a completely adult subversion of the universe, fully realized in so many ways that have never been touched upon since.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

One of the best to ever do it.

@shokmusic_AC

Ай бұрын

Well said

You know you made a good game(s) when people still talk about said game(s) after twenty years its release.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

100%

@JerbilKonai

2 ай бұрын

It could also be the worst of the worst and to be used as a deterrent. But generally, yes ;b

KOTOR 1 & 2 are some of my favorite games growing up, thanks for making this video.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

GOATed games. GOATed comment.

The whole of this series is meant to show the human element. Kotor is by far the most in depth story telling we've gotten on screen for anything in the series. Closely followed by the Bounty Hunter game from the early 2000's. The issue the films and shows have, on average is that they lacked depth. Clear-cut good and evil work well for a one-off or a kids movie. But, not so much for a universe with decades of comics and books to use for reference. Giving nuance to a story is precisely what the saga needed. And Sion is a very interesting one, he also has a light side counterpart in the same era.

@alexhudson277

2 ай бұрын

I also think you have missed the point of Revan’s story. He didn't actively join the Sith, he was a spiritual figure. But, as Kreia says, he didn't truly fall. He allowed the Emperor to use him. And the point of the game is to do what is moral, what is objectively right, not simply follow light or dark. That's why in the Old Republic era, as well as during the New Republic and beyond you also hear of people falling to the light as well as the dark. Balance means balance, not simply pretending that one side is inherently better. True balance means using both "good" and "bad" as needed and finding the least extreme path as often as possible.

@sykune

2 ай бұрын

​@@alexhudson277true balance from the aspect of taoism and Yin and Yang you would be right however since George lucas mixed middle eastern concepts with Christian ideals your idea of true balance is wrong, as George lucas once stated the darkside is perversion of the force, even some what like a cancer. Qui-gon was as close to balanced as you could get as he followed the will of the force not the jedi dogma.

Master/Dr. Anakin Skywalker: "Did someone say dichotomy?!"

@davyc444

Ай бұрын

I would like to hear the unabridged thesis

@joshuacowling2237

Ай бұрын

I understood That Reference🤓😎

@aleksapetrovic6519

Ай бұрын

More like the Story of Dath Plagiarise

@tristanducasse6862

23 күн бұрын

I would actually like that.

Kotor 2 did so much for Star wars in the sense of not needing to be apart of the movies gave it so much life and honestly even the fact we never got Kotor 3 was always a shame, and no I don't really count the MMO as a sequel to 2.

KOTOR was my introduction to the EU when I first played it in the 2010s. I especially love the second game with its narrative and deconstruction of Jedi vs. Sith. I am currently writing a scifi universe inspired by the Star Wars EU and Gundam, that is heavily anti war themed and explores the trauma one would experience in a Star Wars inspired setting.

Bro just casually dropped one of the best analyses of the ideologies of Star Wars

@Nobody32990

26 күн бұрын

No, not really. Author makes massive flaw in extrapolating point of Kreia's philosophy and does not take into account the ying/yang dynamic of light and dark side. It's good video essay but by now means is it perfect.

@arrielradja5522

15 күн бұрын

​@@Nobody32990he needs a peer review

Written by the true OG Fans of Star Wars for the true OG fans of Star Wars. It became our Fan Fiction from what George Lucas created. This is what Kotor is.

@jeremygeller9145

Ай бұрын

Interestingly enough, Chris avellone and obsidian were actually not fans of Star Wars, more trekkies allegedly. They spent hours talking about what they hated about Star Wars and channeled that into a perfect deconstruction, but not an assassination

@seanmccormick1412

Ай бұрын

@@jeremygeller9145 LOL. No wonder I liked/played Kotor 1 more than Kotor 2.

@jeremygeller9145

Ай бұрын

@@seanmccormick1412 to each their own, kotor 1 is a perfect Star Wars story, something that neither the prequels or sequels could replicate, kotor 2 misses a few marks due to the tight development window, but its plot and characters are some of the best in video gaming

Fun fact: one of the main writers for KOTOR is working on the new cyberpunk 2077 sequel, so you know that the story is going to be amazing.

@jaquandrejones

2 ай бұрын

It's so like kotor staff to make great stories attached to games that don't work

@Zerklass

2 ай бұрын

Is it Drew Karpyshyn?

@smugplush

2 ай бұрын

Just because they worked on 1 game that's successful, doesn't mean everything they write for will get the same treatment.

@Bazinguh

2 ай бұрын

​@@smugplushExactly, like L4D2 and B4B

@Neognostic-pk5wu

2 ай бұрын

​@@ZerklassDrew Karpshin was also instrumental to Mass Effect's story.

The first game was a masterpiece in many ways. It FELT like Star Wars and Revan was a very interesting character. The second game tickled mind and had Empire Strikes Back vibes.

Idk what I did to my algorithm to keep getting served this buffet of KOTOR think pieces, but man what a time to be alive

I already know this is going to be a BANGER of a video. KOTOR II has been my absolute favorite SW story for nearly two decades now and I'm looking forward to hearing G and team's thoughts on it.

@cameronbreeze4029

2 ай бұрын

Have you seen Andor yet? Fair if you have but if you like KOTOR I expect you'd also like it.

This game set a new gold standard for Star Wars media and frankly all RPGs imo. To say I've been disappointed the past 2 decades would be a gross understatement. The fact Obsidian made this game in 14 months and we've never seen anything like since absolutely boggles my mind.

These games are miles ahead of other Star Wars media.

oh wow, the fact that you know that Alpha male/Beta male is behavior only observed in captivity just earned you a instant sub.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to the pack ;)

@cantionaleecclesiasticum5378

2 ай бұрын

Isn't living in cages in apartment blocks, working in factories, living with people crowded into cities in a dirty environment a form of captivity?

@CharlesNauck

Ай бұрын

*In wolves* Alpha/Beta behavior is observed in natural settings in primates including Chimps our closest relatives. Jane Goodall observed it and is famous for her style of observing in a natural context. It is more complex than "Aggression = Good" However, dominance hierarchies are observed in pack animals the argument against this being in wolves is due to their packs mostly being a father/mother and their kids. "Bros" apply reductive childish concepts to it i.e. "never show weakness/kindness" = Alpha "WOKE" hide from it, "See the guy that came up with the term says it is wrong."

There is in my opinion, a biblical misunderstanding that I think your video illustrates perfectly. The concept in the Book of Genesis about "The Tree Of Life" VS "The Tree Of The KNOWLEDGE Of Good And Evil". Many Christians misunderstand this as knowledge itself being the gateway to evil. That to blindly trust God leads to goodness, harmony, balance and eternal life, whilst the pursuit of knowledge leads to sin, destruction and death. The real truth of it in my opinion, as perfectly illustrated in your video, is that "The Tree Of The KNOWLEDGE Of Good And Evil" has a specific context that tends to be missed by most Christians. That context being, that what "The Tree Of The KNOWLEDGE Of Good And Evil" is actually representing, is the first and only sin from which all others come: arrogance. This idea that "If you are good, and all you think, feel, do, believe and are is also therefore good as well, then -- anyone who thinks differently, feels differently, does differently, believes differently and is in any way different, must then by default therefore be EVIL. And if they are evil, then it is "not a sin" to do evil things to evil, it is only a sin to do evil things towards those whom are good. " We see it in today's extremely polarized hyperbolic world. The idea that to so much as question, to so much as disagree, to so much as think anything in any other way than which ever group insists you should think, is then therefore by default, "misinformation, dangerous conspiracy theory, racism, sexism, fascism, communism, terrorism, etc" and the list goes on. Not that it necessarily actually IS any of those things, but is merely PERCEIVED as such, by the traumatized and jaded minds doing the perceiving. This has become the attitude of so-called liberals, so-called conservatives, so-called truthers, so-called Christians, so-called Jews, and so-called anything and everything else that people want to label themselves as, for whatever their reasons for taking on those labels. Even atheism has become a religion of sorts, as has statism, and science has become scientism where instead of the process of science which is the observation, exploration and measurement of reality -- now it is defined as being a consensus of those who are part of select groups who are deemed to be the singular and only proper authorities. The Jedi have this exact same problem, and as your video states -- it creates resentment, animosity and other forms of self sabotage. It creates the worst of the worst, all in the name of the so-called greater good. when in truth, it is merely people just trying to deal with whatever their traumas happen to be.

The Jedi exile is the best self insert for people who want an immersive star wars experience. Revan sure is iconic, but by the time Revan reclaims their memories (even just according to the 2 games) they become almost a new person entirely. Whatever name we chose for them, is wiped away by the persona of Revan. All the events of Kotor 1 make up less than a year, and would have little sway once Revan's full identity returns, or even if it only returned in part. I also think it's interesting that Revan would turn away from the Jedi having been raised by birth to serve them, yet for some reason the KOTOR 1 light side Revan still sides with the light side and Jedi despite being with them... a couple of weeks? Reading closely the dialogue of KOTOR 1, it's pretty blunt and leaves little room for nuance. Revan is faced with the choice of embracing the former self, or rejecting it entirely. A curious dynamic. The light side ending doesn't sit well with me... haha, it just doesn't.

@foulmoodcentral2830

2 ай бұрын

Because neither is completely right, ...saving the republic to die another day, and perpetuating the Jedi to stagnate right up until Revan's disappearance leaves you a little bitter when you no longer are at the age most of star wars is enjoyed by, the careless teens and mid-twenties. sure its a preferable ending to win the day alongside your companions, and not having to murder half of them for being unable to submit to your change of ways and morals.. its the more lighthearted entry of the two by far. ...Revan was an instrument of change, but very little in control of their own destiny, in so far that the Force (or the plot.) would almost never let Revan go, that is if you take SWTOR's continuation of it all into account. otherwise the mystery left behind in K2 leaves a nice empty space to imagine one's own ideas and reasonings.

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@foulmoodcentral2830 Yeah forget about the Revan novel and Swtor. Stripping Revan's agency is about the worst thing to do for the character.

@user-pm3wk6lw6m

2 ай бұрын

Remember what Korea said, perhaps Jedi didn't erase his identity, just stripped it if what coveted the surface, the things brought by mandalorian wars, the Sith etc. Basically Revan we play is the man he was before the war, and this man was a Jedi still.

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pm3wk6lw6m Even so, that comes across more as a writing soft retcon than what acutally happened. In kotor 1, the playable character outright rejects the title of 'Revan.' Meanwhile, the character actively destroys their own empire they built up to stand against the True Sith. Everything Revan once stood for, is actively destroyed by this 'new' Revan. The Jedi council may have only allowed Revan to be reborn, but the Dark Side ending is allowing the original Revan to be reborn much sooner. Effectively pitting him as Lord Revan with a new apprentice, as though the Jedi hardly touched him. The Jedi Ending, Revan destroys his own empire, and only later realizes what was actually at stake. Even then, KOTOR 2 is clear the dark Revan recieves his full memories, while light Revan it is more ambiguous. Coupled with Kreia's distain for redemption (Ajunta Pall tomb) and Zez Kai Ell's point that Redemption wasn't Revan's choice... Not to mention HK-47's comments. Light side Revan, HK comments that his Master went from his true Potential (pre amnesia) to a low point. Yet, with the DS, Revan, HK claims Revan went from a high, to a low, and then RETURNS to his true potential. I'm sorry to type a book, but narratively there are more sources that would urge the player to acknowledge the Dark Revan is more in line with who Revan was originally, while Jedi Revan was a changed forced upon him.

@Sirfinchyyy

2 ай бұрын

The original order of force users, The Jedhai (spelling might be off) believed in true balance. When the schism happened it was like the Light Side followers declared themselves right without understanding the Dark Side followers. Jolee Bindo would be a great example of this original order acting for the wellness of the universe rather than holding on to the beliefs of the Jedi or the Sith. He does what is right not what a religion tells hims is right.

Thanks for being the first I've seen to point out that just because a character does not operate under the jedi order does not mean they are a gray jedi since that's a mather of philosophy and not alignment. Ahsoka very much is light side just like Qui Gon was; Meanwhile Dooku might be soft spoken but he clearly fell from the light. There's nothing morally ambiguous about any of them so I don't get why people even pull up that notion when refering to them... it's like they never even played Kotor1&2 to know how to tell and compare. Put Kreia next to pretty much every mainstream star wars character in existance and you'll be able to tell who's what in an instant.

Excellent video. Ive been disillusioned with star wars for a long while and after Kenobi just gave up on it entirely not finding any interest in something ive loved since childhood. But i always try to watch any Kotor 2 anaylsis and essays if they pop up in my feed because while i cant stomach star wars for the most part, this game will always be something special.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Kenobi had good scenes, and many not so good ones.

Thank you for this well thought out examination. I'm glad that, for once, I can find a person on youtube using philosophy to examine ideas rather than preach them. Well done, mate.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! It was a ton of fun working om this project.

@SoNorthitzSouth

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCouch-Co-Op For awhile I considered female light side revan to be my favorite and then male exile, but I like the story you presented a lot. What do you think of male/female light/darkside revan? Which is the true one? You did use light side female exile as your canon interpretation which I feel is actually a very positive story. Somehow in my couple of playthroughs of Kotor II I was always convinced the council stripped the exile of his/her connection and I would personally blame them, lightside or darkside playthroug.

So holding this up in comparison to Dot's works (He who made the multi hour long 'Philosophy of Kreia, Failure of the Gray Jedi, and Foundation of Star Wars' videos) it seems you both arrive at similar conclusions. Yet, you point out some interesting takes regarding Revan, and where it seems you disagree is on the answer. His answer is to reject star wars altogether, while yours is to inject humanity into the Jedi order. The question is then, would permitting Jedi to be 'human' make them better Jedi? Or make them more prone to fall into darkness? Good arguments can be made both ways. Personally, I think it's easy to assume 'we' are the exception, that we could be the force user who is human and never succumbs to the addiction of using the force for personal gain. Even so, to assume everyone could, is a risky conclusion at best. I don't think the Jedi are unwise in their precautions.

@valentinchappa6702

2 ай бұрын

The jedi should stop being lazy and ACTUALLY get to work. NOBODY WANTS TO WORK ANYMORE!!!! Would it have killed them to at the bare minimum, save anakin's mom?

@mdd4296

2 ай бұрын

The trap here is thinking the Jedi should be one or the other. That humanity is binary and not a degree with many different aspect. Meta-narrative wise, K2 pointed out that the need for conflict will always corrupt jedi, at any time, under any Order. So a perfect jedi order work as intended eternally is impossible. It's ultimately fall on the individual to push their agenda through.

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@mdd4296 Excellent point, and the reality that the Force itself is the issue.

@valentinchappa6702

2 ай бұрын

@@colbyentzminger217 no its dark side users.

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@valentinchappa6702 Dot and by extension, Kreia make the argument that the force is the issue. Yes, dark siders are the issue, but only because the force itself hardly permits force users to be 'human' without severe risk of falling to the dark side. It is, almost as a fact, inevitable that someone not dedicated to the Jedi way of life will eventually turn dark. So while the Sith and dark siders are an issue, they are the symptom, not the disease. Yet it is this mechanic that fuels the endless war in the star wars galaxy. Look up "the foundations of star wars" or "the philosophy of Kreia" if you've not already seen them. They argue this point.

Old Republic lore is the better Story than the Movie era

"There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order."

KOTOR and KOTOR 2 were the best games for a young person to get into. It actually made you think, it showed real time results of decisions, good and bad. Put you in the position of being the good guy or bad. Balancing relationships between friends or other characters. Big time nostalgia!

The fact it's not a typical star wars story is why I LOVE IT Great video btw

Jolee Bindo.When I saw picture at the beginning, I thought you would bring him into the conversation.Alas, his words on Kashyyk were forgotten. Great video an thought processes :)

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

We'd love to explore more Star Wars characters like Jolee in the future, if you can think of any others!

@DuskyPredator

2 ай бұрын

Isn't Jolee Bindo the biggest iconic character people point to for a "Grey Jedi"? If the whole Grey Jedi thing is not really a thing, there can probably be something interesting with both him and Ahsoka. Personally, I am a fan of Star Wars I have always thought there has been those seeds that the Jedi being held up as the only system as flawed. There needed to be something that took into account of the arrogance of the Jedi and a system that pushed the individuals into immersing themselves in the dark side. Was kind of hoping that Baylan Skol and Shin Hati could be something like a start.

Kotor, especially II shaped my philosophy in a big way lol

@Jack-np6db

2 ай бұрын

>Having your entire life philosophies existentially shaped and challenged by mediocre consumer entertainment products for children. Yes, I have no doubt in my mind you wore a mask and got the vaccine. The truth is you're not even sentient, you're an NPC in real life

I wasn't expecting this to be such an existential and overarching take on morality and philosophy...the way you were able to take such complex concepts and describe them so simply is truly remarkable, and on top of that the production top-notch, amazing content

Honestly, this has been one of the best videos I've watched, and has taught me a lot more than I would've imagined when clicking on a video about Star Wars. Thanks.

Wow, excellent video! Your take on Revan's 'redemption' touches on something I absolutely love. The idea that 'light Revan' is never really the Revan from before. I personally have taken a likening to Revan reclaiming his throne in the end, since he always seems the type to bend the force to his will. Never has he considered balance, or the will of the force something to beheld to. So in short, I like the idea that Revan goes on a journey of reclaiming his rightful throne, and Bastila joins him too. Perhaps it's a bit redundant, but it's preferred to the 'non-revan' Revan the game would have him be. He also then provides an excellent shadow of the Exile. The one who could not see an alternative to war and power, even when given a second chance. Then the exile, who also is given a second chance, might learn to become human. Plus, Revan looking awesome only makes sense if he's Sith :P

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

@DBArtsCreators

2 ай бұрын

What's also interesting about Revan is that he never bent the Force to his will. Rather, it bent him to its will. As Kreia says, his power was like the heart of the Force. So much so that even as a child one could see his future already carved out before him by the nature of the universe itself. And even as he tried to forge his own path, he ultimately ended up following the way that had already been set for him.

@dianabarnett6886

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. I never did like the "redemption via amnesia" plot. It felt more real if Revan reclaimed his identity as Dark Lord of the Sith, the Jedi paying the price for trying to use him. Perfectly leads into the battered and bleeding galaxy of the sequel after the fledgling Sith Empire implodes.

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@dianabarnett6886 Yes... :)

@colbyentzminger217

2 ай бұрын

@@DBArtsCreators I strongly disagree with this. Revan's whole persona, is bending the Force to his will. He was steeped in the knowledge of ancient Sith Rituals, and "Even then you could see the Jedi he would slay, etched on his soul." Malachor V demonstrated Revan's heart. "Yet with Revan, there was the same commitment, but it was a subtle thing, like weaving threads in a tapestry, or strokes upon a canvas. He spoke through battle and tactics in a way one could never do in words. He showed his heart at Malachor V, and finally at the end of the Jedi Civil War. I believe he was speaking to Malak in that final battle, though few knew it." ―Brianna, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords "Observation: Master, I do not believe that the Mandalorians were the true target at Malachor - I believe that the intention was to destroy the Jedi, break their will, and make them loyal to Revan. I do not know if you examined the records of the deaths on Malachor, but you cannot escape that many of the Jedi and Republic soldiers who died were not Revan's strongest supporters. Observation: I believe that Revan was "cleaning house" at Malachor V. What ones did not die became Revan's allies against the Republic." ―HK-47 to the Jedi Exile To say Revan was benevolent is silly. Perhaps one might say he was a pawn of destiny, and such is what led to his survival for so long as he was captured by the Jedi... but make no mistake, the first game makes it abundantly clear when talking to Yuthura; the Jedi serve the force, the Sith bend it to their will. While you may debate the semantics of whether or not Revan was truly 'Sith,' he indeed taught everyone to bend the force to his will. He corrupted people, just as he corrupted the force, breaking them, until only his will remained.

This game is timeless. Thank you for this, it's a big part of my childhood.

Finally, an hour-long video about KOTOR 1&2 with Music. THANK YOU!

Love this video. Hits on a good amount of things that I loved about these games. And comparing the philosophy to the real world. Love it. Legit the games exploring these philosophies is what really got me hooked into Star Wars

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Some of the smartest videogame writing ever.

I've spent the last month avoiding this video but the algorithm was persistent. And it was right. Gave me a whole new perspective on SW itself. And no begging for likes or subs. Well, here is mine.

Finally getting around to watching this, and I’m so happy I did. Such a good video, I’m enveloped every minute, and I can’t speak on how much it means to me personally that you have an avenue for this type of video. Thank you

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I remember getting the 3? Disc set for kotor as a kid for Christmas, and then begging my mom for Kotor 2 when I saw it in Walmart. These games are my favorites of all time and most of my moral/philosophical beliefs come from these games.

@DontPretendtoCare

2 ай бұрын

Morals aren't real.

@Creator_Veeto_PAEACP

Ай бұрын

⁠@@DontPretendtoCare Everything that occurs in a deterministic world is absolutely necessary, because all events are inevitable and unavoidable There’s an error in your thinking. In a deterministic system change, actual change is literally impossible. Don’t you agree? Why or why not. We all push agendas to “educate” people and have them act as we prefer That’s called morality. But you say morality doesn’t exist. Free will is not required for morality to exist. Morality is merely about preferred ideas about human behavior. The type of society you prefer is merely the product of your values But people don’t always agree on the preferred conduct of people in a given society.

@dubscheckum8246

6 күн бұрын

@@DontPretendtoCare go live life without them and see how you like it

@DontPretendtoCare

6 күн бұрын

@@dubscheckum8246Everyone does every day of their life pussy.

This is the best Star Wars/ video game video I’ve ever seen 👏 great work M8

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Appreciated!

awesome vid Greg. I’ve been asking you on twitter to make it for a while so I’m glad it was a banger

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Grouch

I normally don't watch videos longer than ten minutes on youtube, but I was attentive the entire 57 minutes here. This was a banger

I absolutely loved the way you wrote the script. Beautiful writing.

This channel is going to blow up. I am calling it now. Can’t wait to see what else you cover in the future.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

Ай бұрын

We're just getting started ;)

This needs like.... a few million more views. You deserve *waaaaaay more* than a measly 15k

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Don't speak too soon ;)

One of the best videos about KOTOR out there.

This was an excellent post on what I consider to be the best artful storytelling in all of Star Wars. KOTOR was truly ahead of its time.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

Ай бұрын

Agreed! Ty

You sir, have made one of my most favorite games into one of my most favorite philosophies.

If I hadn't already played both games, numerous times... this video would definitely have convinced me to. It did convince me to play them once again.

I'd listen to a five hour video explanation on this, Nietzsche, and further applications to philosophy and psychology. Stellar job.

Definitely gonna give the games a try at some point, sounds like they got a lot to unpack for the player.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Rich in writing

Great to see you branching out from R6, and into one of my favorite games of all things. Looking forward to more 👍

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Heck yeah!

You derserve a lot of credit for this! I enjoyed the video, and it was quite educational, but I think you missed a HUGE part of KOTOR and Revan, in the fact that he never fell - he chose the dark side, to be able to fight the Ancient Sith. I think that nuances things even more, and adds a layer that the video never really got to, since it didn't even acknowledged it. This also means that "he became what he sought to destroy" is a flawed assessment

Kotor was pritty much in the golden age of Star Wars games, when Bioware was still Bioware. Kotor felt to me like finding out who you where and your place in the galaxy. 2nd game was more soul searching after losing yourself. I do remeber both this epic games and I know we will never see a Star Wars RPG in the same caliber. Oh well. Kotor was such a heavy hitter that people still talk about them even to this day. There is few games that are just that good. I really what Kotor 3 made by the same people that did the first 2 games. I pay top money for that game.

Oh my gosh I want to say you video is amazing, I am currently playing it but had a long pause on because i have a lot to do in life. KOTOR has so many things and is so compelling that I just believe it deserves my whole attention. Man If we only we got KOTOR 3 and Ihope if they do make another KOTOR it is as good as the last but nowadays...

What keeps me happy with Star Wars is knowing there are fans like you who really appreciate and love the deeper aspects of the world. Fantastic video!

The problem with Anakin as an example of the failings of the Order is, he didn't have to stay. He could have simply chosen his life with Padme and their child. To be a participant of the Order is to sacrifice yourself, but they don't resent people leaving. Look at how well considered Dooku was up till he revealed himself as a fallen Jedi. Anakin wanted the social prestige of being a Jedi *and* the personal benefits of his life being his own. Yoda's flawed wisdom was given via the context of Anakin reporting having vague dreams of people dying; they were in the middle of a galactic scale civil war of course people were dying! One person can't stop it, so Yoda's advice boils down to making peace with the natural cycle of life. Kotor is such an amazing piece of writing; the Jedi are framed as complicit in the Mandalorian's slaughter with their unwillingness to act, but in the end they were right to be cautious, there *was* a greater threat in hiding behind Mandalorian atrocities. But In their refusal to take action, what greater good, what life were they serving? Both the prequels and kotor delve into moral traps where there is no good answer. I love them.

@mdd4296

2 ай бұрын

leaving a community you have spent almost 2 decades in, ever since you were a little boy is a nearly impossible position to take. Not to mention the time his romance with Padme panned out was also the time Clone war started, abandoning the Order at that time would make him see himself a traitor. Also what is he gonna do outside the Order? Just leeaching off Padme? Jedi training doesn't prepare you for employment. This is like asking somebody just leave their job because they dont like it. The real question is whether the Jedi Order's non-attachment rule is unproductive. And according to George Lucas, it is. It isnt that Jedi shouldnt get attached, but the key is to know when to let go. The Old Republic Jedi Order was clearly in the wrong during the Mandalorian War. 1st, this war was much less complicated than the Clone War. The Mandalorian had no unadressed grievance, they were crusading and genociding for land and power. 2nd: Kreia made this argument implicitly, that how do you even hope to know your enemy if you dont engage in practical action with or against them. If the Jedi didnt participate in the war, even just to investigate their concern, then how do they even know what is happening, who is pulling the string, what is their strategy, what is their purpose... 3rd: when we turned to the surviving Jedi Masters in K2, all of them were way off base in their judgement, esp the most ivory tower of them all: Atris. And the 3 Jedi Masters, despite being "cast down", had their mindset so conditioned by the Order they refused to egange with life and saw the truth in front of their eyes. So while Revan, Exile and co fail in the sense that they caused further harm to the galaxy. If the Order has engaged earlier on, would this have happened? Would Revan's fall happen or even be neccessary? If we take Revan's war as a way to force the Republic to reform, either by beating him or by being conquered by him, then maybe the Order could have stopped this crusade in the first place by joining the war and steered the Republc toward more peaceful reform. And with that the Jedi genocide wouldnt have happened. Bottom line is the Order refused to act whether to uphold galactic peace they lay claim to nor protecting their own intersts, while have all the power and every reasons to.

@MsIvalane

2 ай бұрын

@@mdd4296 "Jedi training doesn't prepare you for employment." Ahh yes, all that technical training they receive to be able to survive definitely couldn't be turned around for profits, for sure. Not like Ahsoka wasn't shown working in a garage to pay her way or nothin' 🤣🤣 As for the rest of it, we'll just have to agree to disagree friend; they chose to not engage in a conflict occurring outside of Republic space because the vibes were rancid and they weren't sure why, but then a bunch of their young adult members went off to war and died or worse, became monsters. There is no objectively correct answer. That's the joy of the storytelling.

@mdd4296

2 ай бұрын

@ane There is a difference between working in a garage for a short time to pay their way and working a 9/5 job. The way Jedi was trained from childhood, they can barely hold an usual job. Most who left the order, if not falling to the dark side, became hermit and vagabond even b4 the war. They can definitely survive the world, but their life quality nose dive. Anakin also dont hate his current job before being manipulated by Sheev. But this is just one out of many reasons Anakin wouldnt or shouldnt leave the order he loved just to pursue a life with Padme. The real question is whether the rule was unproductive, and George Lucas said it was. Luke flipped the rule on its head when he created a new order, before that lore was nixed by Disney. The war didnt occur outside Republic space, the Outer Rim had been Republic space for atleast 10k year before Mandalorian war, when they first fought the Hutt to keep that region. They have fought several wars since then, before Mandalorian. And the Rep had already joined the Mandalorian War before the Jedi. There is no best answer in the sense that we dont know the best course of action, esp at the time the decision has to be made. However, there is a difference between the bad course, which the Jedi took and a decent one. If you try your best and fail, tough luck, you have my sympathy. If you didnt try anything and claim moral highground because of a "objective correct answer" that has never existed, anywhere. Then nah, you deserve the consequences. It's not like the Jedi was ignorant of what the Mandalorian was doing. Hell, the Mandalorian didnt even bother giving their war a fancy dress. It's not like the Jedi isnt funded and trained to deal with this exact type of crisis. How does the result prove them wrong? Self-evidence, with the Jedi genocide and further harm upon the galaxy by their ex members. Of course, some Jedis would disagree and go to war, that happens all the time be it in SW or rl. In fact, your very inaction against an unjust war fuelled the youngster's dissatisfaction with you. The youngsters you taught to keep peace and love life in the galaxy. The very least you should do is keeping track of those people, esp knowing how dangerous Jedi can become. A point that K2 wholeheartedly made. And even if we ignore the result of their uninvolvement, they still did (or more accurately didnt) everything to put themselves on the backfoot 1. They saw that the conflict is rancid. But they didnt bother finding out how it is rancid with facts on the ground. In fact, Revan found out about it after winning the war. The Council would have had the upperhand if they knew that fact the same time as Revan. 2. Leave millions to be killed and annexed by an invading power, empowering that very power. who drew no line in the sand, which can only lead to further galactic destabilisation 3. Didnt do anything to prepare the Republic against such threats until Revan returned and steamrolled them.

@MsIvalane

2 ай бұрын

@@mdd4296 Lmao you're quite the troll, friend. Have a nice life.

@akale2620

2 ай бұрын

​@@MsIvalanetalks out of his ass. Gets hit with objective facts that oppose his headcanon. Calls the other guy a troll. What a loser.

Your intro got me hooked immediately great work!

I very much enjoyed this exploration of the themes of one of my favorite games, Thank you, Jesse Eisenburg!

Oh its a Star Wars story, and one of the greatest besides the original 3. The KOTOR game's stories were once regarded as a testament to the potential of what Star Wars could be when in the hands of people that are truly passionate about Star Wars and its lore. It should've been the new gold standard for all things Star Wars going into the future, this unfortunately was not the case to the dismay of many fans.

They may not been the best games I ever played, but they left a very deep influence on my way of thinking about morality for sure.

Awesome video! I was likely too young to really appreciate kotor II and remember it as being good but with a more difficult to follow story, definitely re-adding it to my backlog after this to see the things I was clearly missing.

shame this video hasn't seem to gotten the same traction as your other content. this video is phenomenal

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Don't speak too soon!

Really great video! You didn’t fall into the trap of enlightened centrism. You provided plenty of nuance and complexity and helped me better understand what I love about these games. Thanks!

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

You're one hell of a story teller, this video has given me alot to think about. I may have to go back and replay Kotor 1 & 2 again and really take my time with it. I look forward to your future content if this is par for the course.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

We'd love to do more philosophical breakdowns on games like this! if you can think of others to cover let us know.

when he says you cant have your force lightning and force heal to i just imagine Kyle Katarn going " hold my beer "

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

True!

I've been waiting on a video about Kotor since I learned Greg is a fan. I'm not disappointed!

Wow this is am extremely impressive video. Keep up this kinda quality and the channel will do just fine

Masterful video, I appreciate the time and effort that went into this.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

Hey this was a cool video thanks for making it. The philosophy parts were pretty dense and I had to take a break at the halfway point, but that was also cool because I learned a lot.

the story for this game is among the best found in any rpg and is easily the best writing in the star wars universe.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

Ай бұрын

100%

big fan of game analysis! great video

Fukin banger vid G, thanks for making it

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Damn, this was really good and makes me want to replay both games with the default characters of Revan and the Exile. Also you only have 4 videos?! Well you've just gained a new subscriber. Quality over Quantity personified over here.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

Ай бұрын

Appreciated! Also GOATed profile pic.

This video is great! I hope you tackle more philosophical games in the future.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Sure thing!

Honestly so few people know that wolves only act that way in captivity, was cool to hear someone else saying it.

When I was 11, I picked up KOTOR 2 for my PC because I thought the cover looked cool. When I first played it, barring its bad release and bugs, I played as the perfect light side Jedi, showing borderline faith in the force and to be good no matter what. I remember not liking Kreia, and getting upset at the story for not being like the movies, for rewarding me for going full light side. I'm 26 now. Kreia while a villain, I find sympathy in, and taught me a valuable lesson: Even ""villains"" can teach you very important life lessons. Kreia, Atton, The Handmaiden (Brianna), Visas, everyone left a huge impression on me when I went back to play this game, about 3 times. Bao Dur alone was a whole highlight to me, being a character I saw in roleplay as a close friend, and one who helped me go through my asexual awakening. If any of you have not played the KOTOR series and are reading this now? Please, I beg you to first pick up this game as well if you plan to watch this video essay. KOTOR as a series does not only apply as an interesting look into the morality of Star Wars, but one that you can easily self examine and apply to yourself and the world.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

The game did such a fantastic job with each of its characters.

The only thing I will correct here is that Obsidian was the people from Black Isle games - the people who made Baldur’s Gate, Fallout, Planescape: Torment and a large part of NeverWinter Nights. They were (and still are) the OG storytellers that Larian and Cd project Red are trying to live up to.

This was a fantastic break down. Thank you.

How the hell do you only have 4k subs? Keep up the fantastic work!

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

We're just getting started!

@BKJ2023

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCouch-Co-Op Remember me at 1 million ❤️

ya done it, it worked, I clicked. My immediate response to the thumbnail was "pshaw but it is the Best Star Wars" and then I read the comments. And then I hit the play button.

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Mission accomplished

Finally another hours long video about KOTOR philosophy 😅

What a thoughtful, enunciated, and amazing video.

I had no idea you had this channel greg, good vid

Can you PLEASE do mass effect!? Fell in love this video I showed my gf and after two years she’s playing kotor along with me :)

@TheCouch-Co-Op

2 ай бұрын

Would love to do a Mass Effect video!

@Rez_97

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCouch-Co-Op I’ll stay tuned then! :)

KOTOR and in a lesser way KOTOR 2 were really great and made by people, who seemed to care for the IP. It's sad what Disney did to it. The franchise, like so many others is dead by now.

This feels like a real life philosopher stumbled upon the Star Wars universe. I love this analysis. The entire runtime is insightful