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@vanaheimstories7530

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait for more Reimagined episodes, possibly for other universes

@connordorsey9959

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanaheimstories7530 Screw that i need the ending of this one

@vanaheimstories7530

2 жыл бұрын

@@connordorsey9959 That’s fair

@javierolivaresmartinez2197

2 жыл бұрын

Subs in spanish please and good video

@Dalek389

2 жыл бұрын

Requesting reimagined series for multiple fandoms from the templin institute

Yeah I’m a fan of the Sequel Trilogy - First Order Reimagined - New Republic Reimagined - First Order - New Republic War Reimagined

@jimbodeek

2 жыл бұрын

You've seen both forces and how they stack up... And soon you'll see what happens when these forces collide.

@delta2372

2 жыл бұрын

I don't really like this one either TBH, new republic is to incompetent and it's still stupid that the capital isn't coruscant, there's no new jedi order and luke is still somehow considered a myth, new republic isn't standardized and is just rebels 2.0 instead of a unique force, yeah sure give them allies but still don't have them just be a repeat of the rebels , and offourse REY IS STILL STEALING THE SKYWALKER NAME

@chriscortez2036

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly though I don’t like the idea of Palpatine returning. My idea was that instead of the Sith and the “dark side of force” being the antagonists once again, it could be a sort of “anti force” or the absence of the force. Snoke could be a Kreia-like figure who grew frustrated with the flaws of both the Sith (The dark side) & the Jedi (The light side) and sought to transcend them both but was sealed away in a remote Jedi temple for millennia until Luke, looking for knowledge to rebuild the Jedi order, finds and frees him. Snoke manipulates Luke and his students until a schism occurs with Ben solo and a small group of students joining Snoke. The new fledgling Jedi Order & New Republic vs the Knights of Ren & First Order. The Republic might even be forced to appeal to Imperial remnants for aid against Snokes forces. Rey could also be like the Exile, being an extremely rare Force-sensitive with the ability to negate or drain the power of other force sensitives. Snoke would want her to complete his experiments and rid the Galaxy of the limitations of the Force.

@jimbodeek

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriscortez2036 Everything from the sequels is recontextualized here... It's not outright said whether Luke passed or not after he appeared on Crait. In the "First Order Reimagined" video, it was said that Palpatine wanted to create a new Sith Empire that would subsume the Galactic Empire, the foundation of which had been laid at the end of the first Galactic Civil War. After all, Palpatine was a Sith Lord first and foremost, and he was Emperor second. Also, the appearance of Rey at the end gives me the impression that Luke may have actually decided to adopt her as his own... Assuming that he's more like his portrayal in The Mandalorian here.

@JustanothaGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbodeek "Assuming that he's more like his portrayal in The Mandalorian here." The guy hadn't seen all his work incinerated yet or just repeated the mistakes of his master yet, of course he's not disenchanted literally months or a couple of years after winning the First galactic Civil War.

"Is this a dangerous slide into fan fiction?" Fuck that, I love fan fiction. When you find the perfect not shit story you feel like you stuck a massive gold vein

@nathandavis435

2 жыл бұрын

Man, and it feels even better when somebody says that about your story. It's really what keeps me going.

@reapereye2122

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathandavis435 Same man it feels like Heaven when someone says something like that, like 'YES I DID NOT WASTE A WEEK OF MY LIFE FOR THIS!'

@HopelessRetirement

2 жыл бұрын

I wish it wasn't fan fiction. This was sooooooo much better than what we got. The only thing that might've made it better would be to throw some SW Rebels content in there, like Asoka.

@reapereye2122

2 жыл бұрын

@@HopelessRetirement Fuck yea man

@Fiifthman

2 жыл бұрын

"Is this a dangerous slide into fan fiction?" Yes. We'll gladly grease the slide, too.

"One does not improvise the deployment of millions." "Your father would have given me a different answer." "Palatine would have known better than to ask." Savage AF 😎

@joshuawindsor-knox3626

2 жыл бұрын

It's taken from a coversation between Kaiser Wilhelm II and Moltke the Younger on the eve of WW1. Wilhelm was asking if they could just march against Russia.

@ekimaulthar2044

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuawindsor-knox3626 I'm guessing Wilhelm = Snoke and Moltke = Veers. Who would be Palpatine in this instance?

@joshuawindsor-knox3626

2 жыл бұрын

@@ekimaulthar2044 Palpatine would be Wilhelm the First who was WIlhelms grandfather and was king of Prussia before becoming the first emperor of Germany. Veer's father would also be a stand in for Moltke the Elder. There are several WW1 parallels in this video. For instance the Snoke-Veers Plan bears great resemblance to the Schlieffen Plan, which was a German plan at the outbreak of War with France to march through Belgium and push into Paris hopefully knocking France out of the War and doing so swiftly enough that the British would not be able to assemble sufficient forces to do anything. Just like in the video the Germans came close to success but were stopped by Anglo-French forces at what became known as the Miracle of the Marne.

@starlight2098

2 жыл бұрын

That exchange brought me genuine pleasure. ^.^

@Fridaey13txhOktober

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuawindsor-knox3626 "Wilhelm was asking if they could just march against Russia." ... and he was actually right!

The whole “you can not improvise the deployment of millions” was inspired and pretty much almost word for word what Moltke said to the German Kaiser Wilhelm II. Wilhelm stated that he would just throw the entire German army east in a single front war, to which Moltke rebuked the “you can improvise the deployment” line. Wilhelm then retorted “your uncle would’ve given me a different answer” Very inspired by WW1 and I love the reimagining.

@christopherbravo1813

6 ай бұрын

did Moltke respond with "your father would have known better than to ask"?

@euanwarkentin7204

2 ай бұрын

Dont forget the Lothal parralels to USS Enterprise

@mokasaam1819

Ай бұрын

Learn something new every day.

Don’t stop your reimagined series after this. We need your quality in this world.

@permafrost8322

2 жыл бұрын

CIS reimagined?

@eugenesledgejr1970

2 жыл бұрын

@@permafrost8322 I like that.

@alexhuynh1066

2 жыл бұрын

Jedi Order reimagined?

@GreaterGrievobeast55

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexhuynh1066 I figure wholly different franchises deserve some faction or event in their universe to be reimagined. Like maybe the end times in Warhammer fantasy, or the hell dinotopia I dunno pfft.

@johnmatthewcrane4423

2 жыл бұрын

Here, here!

Finally the trilogy is getting its conclusion

@atomic_wait

2 жыл бұрын

Since this will be a remastered copy of an existing war, could we say 'Begun, this clone war has'?

@matthewdavis9966

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully not! I love this series and would appreciate Templin’s perspective on reimagining any and all aspects of the Sequel Trilogy!

@cheesebiscuits6323

2 жыл бұрын

Ö

@Jungoguy

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, they leave it open ended

@themc.kennyshow6585

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically unlike the sequel trilogy

The killing fields and meat grinder tactics made the reimagining feel real. You actually made the Sith out to be actual bad guys instead of “obverse Jedi” you made them commit atrocities and crimes with no regard to sentient life. I loved every second of it.

@nickter745thebold8

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t really understand what those tactics actually accomplish here. Can you explain this to me?

@messworkz1631

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickter745thebold8 attrition and punishment, inflict the greatest losses on the enemy side so they think twice about attacking while recriminating the new republic for trying and loosing so many soldiers, also the dark side of the force grows stronger on massacres

@mcknowlesey99

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickter745thebold8 there's also the important point where a large part of the new republics forces were volunteers, people not trained to stay calm in war or deal with long term stress. If you tell them to go somewhere you've lost 3 times before, with massive casualties, your going to get people deserting in droves.

@phoenixx913

2 жыл бұрын

Not only that but the galactic empire just felt actually evil between them genociding planets for reasons ranging from because someone felt like to them housing rebels to their secret projects like the Imperial bioweapons Project I71A, Pathogen-Based Loyalty Enhancement Program and so much more. First order just doesn't compare to them.

@613mitzvoth

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixx913 exactly!!!! Why be a bad guy if you’re only a dark parody of what you are fighting against. They overplayed the “underdog” trope with the resistance and then made the First order “mildly negative”.

It's a shame the First Order, in the sequel trilogy, became the Empire but just more ":evil" looking. Just bigger, dark painted ships and vehicles with all interior lights being red. Meh.

@neko6803

2 жыл бұрын

i mean they literally remade episodes 4-6... episode 4 and 7: MC is on Sandplanet and needs to leave it in order to save someone (Leia/Finn), Big Lazer threatens to Blow up Planets, Lazer go Boom after a hectic spacefight with lots of plotarmor episode 5 and 8: Rebel/Resistance Base gets attacked, they have to flee and get fucking crushed in the meantime episode 6 and 9: Kill Palpatine while giant spacebattle where Palpi is at the verge of winning with again lots of plotarmor for resistance Im not gonna say the sequels suck and are lazy from a writingperspective but...

@nickroy8387

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair the Resurgent class was awesome

@neko6803

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickroy8387 well true. then again a lot of newly designed ships of the New and Final Order were Fucking stupid once you invest more than two seconds of thought into them... First of all, being able to fly THROUGH an enemy capitalships main body pretty much unhindered is a disaster begging to happen. Also it's a great idea to put a giant hard point EXPOSED on the outside of your ship that A: is directly connected to the main Reactor for energy-deliveryreasons so damage to this the Hard point (the giant gun and the Shield bubbles if that's not clear) risks blowing up your entire ship through damage of the reactor and B: is located in a literal BLIND SPOT for main Anti-Fighterweaponbatteries, which also has been a Known blindspot since at least the days of the Venator. And yes, I consider the Underside of Starcarriers (Venator) and -destroyers (ISD and following designs) being a weak spot when it comes to antifighter - and anticapitalship-weaponry canonized as it's shown multiple times that there is no meaningful weaponry and that fighters will try to get Below Capitalships To avoid getting shredded (like in Episode V with MF dodging several ISDs). This lack of Weaponry also is all present in pretty much all recent canonized Star Wars Games. EDIT: yes, Star Wars was never realistic, that's not the point im trying to make. But a Successor Repeatedly making the same KNOWN mistakes by including same KNOWN weakpoints as its predecessor is in my Eyes stupid even from an in-universe-perspective, as well as Lazy from a writing perspective. EDIT 2: Shieldbubbles mounted on Top of a Commando-Superstructure are also a blindspot for antifighter weaponry as any fire towards them literally risks blowing up the bridge if aim is ever so slightly off.

@LordVader1094

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickroy8387 It was literally just a flatter Star Destroyer

@rubaiyat300

2 жыл бұрын

@@neko6803 OTOH, given Venators and ISD's and their derivatives all share the same issue...it's already canon that the successor state DOESN'T address these issues. And I reckon if we ever see older eras they will remain issues. It's dumb but the precedent has already been set.

This is the conflict we deserved to see on screen

@inventorking9124

2 жыл бұрын

As cool as this is, there is no way it could have fit a trilogy. Some plot points would have to be compressed, and the rest could be in a TCW-style series for the ST.

@delta2372

2 жыл бұрын

Ehhhhh, while having better writing, this still has a lot of issues

@IsaiahRichards692

2 жыл бұрын

I erased the entire sequel trilogy altogether and made my own trilogy using the same characters: Movie 1: The New Republic is in crisis. A monarchical alien planet is considering secession while the NR debates whether to open lines of diplomacy or invade. A senile, bed-ridden Chancellor Mon Mothma demands that invasion plans are drawn up (a lifetime of politics and old age have eroded her values). She is nicknamed Empress Palpatine because she refused to step down from being Chancellor. Former Princess Leia suffers several PTSD panic attacks and is confined to her residence where Han, her husband, takes care of her. Han is a former NR Captain who supports them both with his Navy pension. The Millennium Falcon is put in a museum. Rey grows up in a foster home on Chandrilla, the NR Capital, where her force sensitivity lands her in a university that prepares its students to join the Jedi Order under Grand Master Luke. The Uni is incredibly decadent and corrupt with teen pregnancies, drunken brawls and rape incidents. (Luke wanted a new Jedi Order with fewer restrictions on emotions and ended up making Space Harvard!) Rey instead joins the NR Intelligence Bureau as a secret agent. The movie ends with the NR cautiously declaring a peacekeeping mission to the secessionist planet. Movie 2: NR Generals were cautious with the invasion plans because this planet was once visited by Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Galactic Empire. Thrawn returned to Emperor Palpatine and told him not to invade because it was impossible. Palpatine begrudgingly listened to him and established an Imperial embassy on the planet and sent ambassadors to form an alliance. This planet seceded from the NR because they preferred the Empire. The NR can’t bombard the planet because the enemy Starfleet is vastly superior. They hope to cut off the enemy fleet’s resupply by taking their Capital intact. Pilot Poe Dameron, Infantryman Finn, Engineer Rose and Special Agent Rey are deployed to the front lines. The aliens have better technology and tactics. They command air superiority and turn the ground battle into a trench war, regularly slaughtering the NR Army using fake retreats and artillery strikes. In Space, their ships’ shields are impenetrable. Rey is soon able to help sense their weaknesses and helps create a WMD that will wipe out the aliens (can be a gas or a bomb). The aliens and their fleet are annihilated by Rey’s weapon and they lose the conventional war. Mon Mothma passes away and her replacement is a young man with no combat experience who thinks wars are one-sided slaughters. He is brainwashed by Rebel propaganda from the Galactic Civil War and decides to introduce a Total War campaign. Movie 3: The aliens are on their last legs but make the NR Army pay for every inch of ground. When their King is killed, the population is put into manual labor to help harvest their technology. The new Chancellor is impeached as a war criminal. Rey and the others face enormous guilt and PTSD after they helped commit genocide. Rumors are spread on social media that the Imperial Remnant is attacking but the sources are unreliable. A Star Wars Red Scare takes place, nicknamed the Stormtrooper Scare despite no stormtroopers appearing on screen. Rey and her friends look into the distance, the future is uncertain, even with Rey’s foresight… -That took me $0.00 and 10 minutes to make up!

@neofulcrum5013

2 жыл бұрын

@@delta2372 true. I think one of my criticisms is that thrawn swoops in and essentially saves the day. The only way I can believe that is if Ezra somehow convinced him to help the heroes instead of the Sith eternal.

@delta2372

2 жыл бұрын

@@neofulcrum5013 the issue also stems from using extended universe material, not everyone knows those characters, hell I'd love for kyle katarn and mara jade to show up along with ben skywalker and jana solo but not everyone knows who they are.

_"5 years, 5 long years. That is how long it took us to get Coruscant back."_ This was an astounding video. The blending of events that occurred in the sequel trilogy combined with many new inputs provided quite the spectacle with a number of improvements. The description of battle strategies and ideological doctrines, the name references to WW1, WW2 & various Star Wars characters, places, and events; & that late addition of Thrawn. Though that cliff hanger at the end was a shock. A lot of open-ended areas for speculation. You indeed should do Reimagining for other franchises. Whatever the outcome for this 2nd Great Galactic Civil War. I shall say this: *"For the Republic!"*

@joshuahudnell7401

2 жыл бұрын

FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!

@KillerOrca

2 жыл бұрын

James Cutter in Star Wars would be utterly terrifying to witness.

@andrewspears8891

2 жыл бұрын

So does that make Empire of the Hand America?

@user-fk6ey1cq1h

2 жыл бұрын

For the Empire... of the Hand. Because rebel scum is always a rebel scum)

@MaxwellAerialPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

We may own Coruscant again, but I don’t think the Sith Eternal fully appreciated that yet.

Man, this conflict feels so grand, I can’t even imagine how many films it would take to cover everything! “Lady Lothal” alone likely would need her own spinoff series; a New Republic Defender too angry to die, leading a growing flotilla of survivors as they make their way back home. -“So say we all!”- I mean, “For the Republic!” xD

@christopherbravo1813

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like Battlestar Galactica

@christianboi2142

2 жыл бұрын

And add in a planet where the rebels were gassed but held out

@sergeyoneill1344

2 жыл бұрын

She could be a Viscount Star Defender variant

@weldonwin

2 жыл бұрын

*(Tribal Drums In Space Intensify)*

@thelegend_doggo1062

2 жыл бұрын

If the sequel trilogy had simply focused on the resistance, framing it as the paramilitary organisation it actually was (Instead of framing it as the Rebellion reborn), while having the wider war going on in the background, I honestly would’ve been content. And afterwards, a Clone Wars esc series a long with different spinoff movies could’ve made this era of Star Wars truly incredible.

Assuming Luke survived this universe’s version of Crait, imagine him interacting with Thrawn.

@sumukhvmrsat6347

Жыл бұрын

Imagine Battle meditation under Thrawns command but with Luke instead of Jorrus C'Baoth , and with an Entire Battle fleet

@johnnygyro2295

11 ай бұрын

Especially since, in the Disney Timeline, Thrawn met/befriended Anakin during the Clone Wars and deduced he was Vader.

@AFreakingAxeCH

11 ай бұрын

"You are the master of the scavenger?" "Her name is Rey, and yes I am." "Peculiar, it is only our first day of meeting and yet, I feel like I've known you already." "How is that Grand Admiral?" "The cadence of speech, your choice of clothing, your sarcastic yet happy attitude, and your tendency to see the individual." "You've met my father, haven't you?" "Yes, he is a good man, and it's an honor to meet his next of kin, Master Skywalker"

@badonkadonkcoochiecrunch6675

11 ай бұрын

@@AFreakingAxeCH HOLY SHIT! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Game recognizing Game

@gameraptor7740

3 ай бұрын

@@AFreakingAxeCH a fine addition to our collection (of the true star wars sequels by the fandom)

the whole first order- new republic war should have been a WW2 pacific war between the US and Japan. The goal of the first order would be to at the start of the war to take as many systems as possible, convince others to join them and basically try to win the war before the new republic can gather its full industrial might against them.

@mycaleb8

2 жыл бұрын

I would have preferred a Russian Civil War with the Republic as a more benevolent version of the Soviets and the First Order as the White Russians.

@Niceguy312373636

2 жыл бұрын

"Supreme leader snoke. If we succeed at destroying the hosnian system, We'll be able to run amok for 6-12 months. If we cant finish the war by then, we'll lose the war"

@AmateurHistory645

2 жыл бұрын

@@Niceguy312373636 I see you are a student of history as well :)

@Jfk2Mr

2 жыл бұрын

@@mycaleb8 Which White forces? In general, or there too would be a lot of factions inside one movement, that would/will be at war with each other if there was no Reds?

@mycaleb8

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jfk2Mr The latter. That's the whole point!

Didn’t see Thrawn coming. Good twist and honestly would have been great if Lucasfilm had actually done it

@Zipplandia

2 жыл бұрын

i had expected the chiss to have something to do with it, but didnt expect thrawn either

@tlshortyshorty5810

2 жыл бұрын

"Good evening, Chancellor Organa. It seems you are currently getting- as the Core says- 'no bitches.' Would you like some?"

@davebignell773

2 жыл бұрын

As that build up of the Galactic Empire successor state went on, I was thinking "It's gotta be Pellaeon" - then it turned out to be Thrawn himself!

@damienraynal8912

2 жыл бұрын

See thrawn in the New Republic side is a surprise but a welcome one (by the way where is Ezra Bridger he was suppose to be with him since the end of star wars rebels)

@CollinBuckman

2 жыл бұрын

@@davebignell773 Personally, the moment they mentioned the major faction that was unusually neutral I was like "Oh god it's Thrawn it has to be"

Just now realized the irony that, at the final battle of Exegol, the "Lady Lothal" and Thrawn's own star destroyer could be fighting side by side. The enemy of enemy is my friend after all.

@brysonfugarino861

2 жыл бұрын

Thrawn - "What an unexpected event too have come, the ship that bears the name of the world were I was defeted, know the name of a star ship that I will defend till the last turbo laser

@sumukhvmrsat6347

Жыл бұрын

Mind if Thrawn commanded a Bellator style specialized Super Star destroyer , or even the Megador with its long range turbolaser batteries equivalent of 5 ISD worth of turbolaser and it's impressive 50 hangers worth of Tie defenders and More of Thrawns awesome ships

@sumukhvmrsat6347

Жыл бұрын

Or just Thrawn commanding the imperial fleets from the Chimera , and Gilad Pellian on the Megador escorting the Lady lothal pushing through the enemy

@paulrasmussen8953

Жыл бұрын

@@sumukhvmrsat6347 thrawn wouldn’t. He didn't like them. While he may maintain one he will not build more but you can bet see more defenders

@sumukhvmrsat6347

Жыл бұрын

@@paulrasmussen8953 the Megador class super star destroyer is unlike any Dreadnought , its primary armament is the Long range turbo lasers (mentioned to have power of 5 star destroyers double broadsides) and the 50 starfighter hangers , it's a strategic out of box tactical asset , Thrawn would admire it

Loved when you included the Separatists in the Reimagined Resistance/New Republic, and was over the moon that the 34th Droid Legion got a (somewhat) prominent role.

@raptorusmaximus1295

Жыл бұрын

Same. For the Confederacy!

@Niven42

Жыл бұрын

Oh, you mean, the _Rebels_. 😄

I can imagine how awkward it would be if Hera was still alive. Hera: Great, we got help. By who? New Republic High Command: Thrawn Hera: ...

@raw6668

2 жыл бұрын

I bet she is Admiral in command of the Lothal.

@spartanalex9006

2 жыл бұрын

@@raw6668 She was the Former Chancellor of the Republic in this AU.

@jonathanphillips3052

2 жыл бұрын

Not impossible. But I imagine the conversations between the 2 would be layered with tension. Both are capable commanders, but with history of being on opposite sides during the galactic Civil war

@Commanderstevo

2 жыл бұрын

it would be a fantastic deal with the devil. While this would end the immediate war, stop planets from being destroyed and millions dying across the galaxy, you can imagine how the New Republic, especially those that know of thrawn, would feel. Sitting across the table from what is almost certain, the next challenger to the galaxy.

@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870

2 жыл бұрын

@@Commanderstevo Perfect set-up for a Cold War analogue Trilogy later on

The amount of WWII references in this reimagined Second Galactic Civil War made me smile. I would love to have an entire story about “Lady Lothal” or as she shall be deemed, the Star War’s version of U.S.S. Enterprise (CV-6).

@General8675

2 жыл бұрын

Its more France and Germany in the opening days of WW1, there are even a lot of direct quotes.

@TemplinInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

The story of the Lothal is the one I'd tell if Disney decided they wanted me to do a Star Wars movie for some reason. I've had the entire story kicking around in my head since Last Jedi and I figured I'd include it in this one.

@awhahoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@TemplinInstitute was lothal (same planet as in rebels right?) in the last jedi?

@winghungyuen2726

2 жыл бұрын

@@TemplinInstitute I would not mind an entire video by you guys explaining the combat history of this warship in your version of the Second Galactic Civil War.

@comentnine1574

2 жыл бұрын

@@winghungyuen2726 Or maybe just expanding on the AU they’ve created because I feel like the war could’ve used for flare and not end in a cliffhanger.

Its easy to see that this draws heavily from WW1 history - Miracle at the Marne, the Schlifen plan, Von Moltke the Younger, and the fallback to the Hindenburg Line and the defense in depth strategy. Also the entry of the huts like Romania. Really interesting to see how that can apply to such a wide galaxy.

@Burkutace27

Жыл бұрын

And the Lothal drawing from the USS Enterprise in the pacific war.

@lucabottazzi261

Жыл бұрын

And the Asha Karat being the SS of the space

@ghost.2527

Жыл бұрын

I would never thought of it like this

@oilybat3269

Жыл бұрын

The Hosnian Cataclysm and the destruction of the New Republic fleet mirrors Pearl Harbor and the immediate capture of territory by the Japanese after the American fleet was decimated

@kekkoinen

10 ай бұрын

Romanians are the Hutt cartels lol

The best part of this to me is how much it felt like a war. Akbar's grim but necessary defense in depth; the Miracle at Mon Gaza echoing Midway and Lepanto; the Sith being prepared for a swift victory and nearly forcing an armistice, but failing once the enemy finds resolve and mobilizes it's industry, like the Pacific Theater in WWII; logistics playing a key role and the serious challenge of maintaining too many weapon types at once. I didn't like the keeping of Palpatine and the Skywalker element, buy I'll forgive it for actually giving Po and Finn worthwhile arcs, Luke a heroic stand, and Thrawn being Thrawn. Operation Urso was a fun callback.

@constructking8850

Жыл бұрын

The Miracle of Mon Gaza is more a reference to the Miracle of the Marne

@amiablereaper

11 ай бұрын

I also really like the final superweapons as sort of a reverse of how the war ended in our world--even after getting nuked, the republic made one last ditch effort to save everything

@Art210495

8 ай бұрын

Well, they kind of improved upon the Skywalker thing here, framing it as a name of the new order of Sky Walkers, inspired by Luke but not claiming ancestry or smth

@board-qu9iu

5 ай бұрын

the swift victory seems to be more like a WW1 reference

The one flaw that I can find is that Thrawn's loyalty to the Empire was strictly in service to the Chiss Acendency. Thrawn had a habit of cultivating imperial personnel and then sending them to the chiss to aid in their own conflict. If instead of an imperial remnant, it was the Chiss Acendency, strengthened by imperial equipment and personnel procured and led by Thrawn, that tipped the balance in the end, I feel that would be more accurate to Thrawn's character. That's just my opinion though. Other than that, very well done!

@GunnedPoison676

2 жыл бұрын

In Legends the Empire of the Hand was a completely separate entity from the Chiss Ascendancy, albeit one that drew heavily from the Chiss. Given that precedent, it's not impossible to hypothesize that in this post-Endor scenario that Thrawn would carve out an enclave in the Unknown Regions which would act as a hybrid of what he viewed as the best of Imperial and Chiss ideals, while also claiming it to be the legitimate continuation of the Galactic Empire.

@patrickshaw5746

2 жыл бұрын

That's kind of what I was getting at. I think the most likely scenario would have Thrawn return form wherever we see him sent at the end of Rebels to a broken Galactic Empire. Seeing that completing his mission to forge an alliance between the Ascendency and the Empire to combat the Grysks is now impossible, but wishing to salvage anything that he could from the situation, he contacts those whose loyalty he had gained through his career in the Imperial Navy and takes them into the unknown regions to join the Ascendency. These imperial forces integrate into the Ascendency military and give the Chiss access to shield generators, turbolasers, and other technologies that they do not have access to. This boost gives the Chiss an edge that leads to the defeat of the Grysks. Fast forward to the events discussed in this video but with a Chiss Ascendancy that has had decades to learn from and integrate imperial technology, tactics, and personnel. In this scenario, I think it unlikely that there is much of a claim of succession to the Empire. The Chiss are proud to the point that it crosses into arrogance, they wouldn't approve of seeking legitimacy in that way. To bring them into the story, the First Order/Sith Eternal could go looking for those Imperials that disappeared into the Unknown Regions and stumble into the Ascendency. As the war progresses and both sides court allies, the Sith would approach the Chiss to enter the war on their side and the Republic could learn of them from defectors and do the same. The Chiss, being very utilitarian, would absolutely play both sides and bide their time seeking to join the war on the side they believe to be the stronger and leveraging their help for the greatest possible reward and resulting position within the galaxy. Events would then progress like those in the video but with the Ascendency as the deciding factor after being built up throughout the conflict. It would be awesome to see a fleet of Imperial inspired ships with a distinct Chiss spin led by Thrawn jumping to Exegol with the forces of the Republic and wrecking shit. I have just realized how much time I have spent on this and will now go touch some grass. If anyone spends the time to read this, thank you for your time!

@GunnedPoison676

2 жыл бұрын

​@@patrickshaw5746 You make some good points but given how many blank spaces are still left between the end of the Original Trilogy and the Sequel Trilogy, your conclusion could just be one out of many possible scenarios that Thrawn goes through. He could return to the Chiss and integrate his exiled Imperial forces with the Ascendancy... or he could establish the Empire of the Hand to serve as a buffer for the Ascendancy - whether they like it or not. At the end of the day it's still possible to conceive a believable scenario that works within Canon wherein Thrawn establishes some sort of successor state for the sake of protecting his people, and that frames itself as legitimate continuation of the Empire to appease any of the Imperials who have chosen to support him (that is until whatever new content that covers that area is released that provides a direct answer and counters any fan hypotheses that don't align).

@patrickshaw5746

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunnedPoison676 That's entirely fair. I apologize if it seemed like I was dismissing your theory, I promise that wasn't my intention. I was just throwing my thoughts out there and seeing what happened. Cheers!

@GunnedPoison676

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickshaw5746 No problem! That wasn't the impression I got at all. I just enjoy having these kinds of discussions with other fans and hearing their thoughts and opinions on these as-of-yet unaddressed areas of SW lore. Cheers to you too!

This would fit a great 3 act structure for a trilogy. Movie 1: the first order and the protagonists learning about the potential invasion Movie 2: INVASION Movie 3 Counterattack and victory It would even leave a decent amount of background stuff for the inevitable comics, games, and TV shows

@jonathanphillips3052

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The angle of the hutt civil war front alone is an interesting angle for a TV show. Hutt politics, mercenaries, a few bounty hunters turned commanders and agents for both sides, and all with a sense for making the war feel like a war with dirty dealings and uncertain loyalties that oscillate between new republic, independent, and first order.

@nickter745thebold8

2 жыл бұрын

That’s actually a similar angle to what I’m currently working on!

@Alfredo12

2 жыл бұрын

Disney was so lazy in making a story of warmth that he killed any way to do something like that, the only case of having made a television series for the Sequels was because of "The Resistence" which was BORING in its first season and only the second saw something good due to the ineptitude of the work of episode 8

@copterinx0468

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know...I feel like movie 1 would be too short and uneventful while movie 2 or 3 would be too long. Maybe include the initial attacks in movie 1 and add in a clone wars-like show to house most of the war. Then I think it would work.

@jonathanphillips3052

2 жыл бұрын

@@copterinx0468 that i would agree would fit. have shows following the various events from different angles. 1 front of the war alone could be a show by itself, with other shows following specific groups of characters and angles of the attack. for example, a show based on the first order defectors, focusing on the inner workings of the first order and worlds under their control, but also dealing with why people might initially side with the first order and then chose to defect from it, another could focus on the various space battles from the perspective of a single fleet, and you could have a very fun series centered on the Hutt civil war. even if not all could be covered in shows, there is more than enough material space for books, comics, and games to help fill in the missing parts. it could be a properly adative conflict rather than adding stuff simply to remove it swiftly after.

I would pay actual money to see a continued "Reimagined" series like this, or to petition Disney to hire the Institute. Please, for the love of god, more.

@seekingabsolution1907

2 жыл бұрын

Disney isn't a democratic institution it's a totalitarian oligarchy, a petition means nothing to them.

@Gstrangeman96

2 жыл бұрын

The Star Wars ST is such a perfect breeding ground for high quality fan fiction. You have a beloved franchise and universe, in which three stories were written with no overarching creative vision or direction, crippled by what felt like a studio civil war between those who wanted to go for maximum nostalgia bait to cash an easy paycheck, and those desperate to tear established rules and values down in an attempt to establish their own names in the creative industry. I for one would love to see Mauler's take on what an alternate new ST could have been. I have sort of made the attempt myself, but not being either a Star Wars buff or a competent scriptwriter I haven't really gotten anywhere other than laying down some creative constraints, overarching themes and broad strokes narrative.

@lavenderlilacproductions

Жыл бұрын

Disney would make it gay.

@EbonyManta

3 ай бұрын

Alas, the only way we're going to see more like this is if someone makes fanfic about it. I'm considering doing just that, myself.

@hunterspecter1550

Ай бұрын

I would pay good money to see it to

It’s impressive how this version of the war sounds so similar to the World Wars that Star Wars was inspired by. The initial Sith attack plan is very similar to the Schliffen-Moltke plan, the initial plan of the German Empire in WWI to launch a quick decisive strike while the enemy forces were uncoordinated and knock down the enemy’s will to fight. Yet it failed similarly with the intervention of High Command during victory fever and a decisive battle against the overstretched invaders. The following scrambles are similar to the Race to the Sea as both sides attempted to keep trying a decisive strike in secondary engagements until it all ended in a brutal Stalemate. The New Republic and Sith Eternal recruited other nations to try to tip the balance, just as the Entente and Central Powers (Italy, Bulgaria, Ottomans, Romania) and in one of those, a civil war started that led to just another stalemate (Greek Front, but with also parallels to Italy in WWII). In the middle of the war, the Sith Eternal had a change in leadership and tactics (Just as the German Empire, where Hindenburg and Ludendorff launched an internal coup and intensified the war effort), the killing field tactic is similar also to Ludendorff’s plan which stopped the allied offensives in 1917 by retreating to a more defensible territory and forming the Hindenburg line. Now there are parallels to WWII, such as the fact the Sith were attempting a quick decisive blow because they were ultimately outproduced in the long-term like the Axis Powers. As well as radical extremists in the Sith Eternal acting similarly to the German SS in occupied Europe and searching for secret weapons to turn the tide of the war. The Xyston class is similar to German tanks such as the Tiger II or Jet planes such as the ME-262 which had a decisive early advantage against the enemy forces. Finally, Thrawn’s remnant entering into the war while both sides were exhausted and desperately looking for allies is not so different from the US joining WWI right when the Entente was reeling from the losses in 1917. Overall, it’s great to see historical comparisons, although I still can’t find one for a reborn Emperor Palpatine.

@Gstrangeman96

2 жыл бұрын

Bringing back Palpatine in any way was a mistake and cannot be done without cheapening Luke/Anakin's victory in the OT. Is Palpatine really just a bunch of clones? Well then Luke just defeated one of many. Was OT palpatine the main guy and this one just a backup clone? Well then good job failing to finish the job guys. Is this the same Palpatine that survived being exploded twice? ... I guess noone IS ever really gone. If you want to do a storyline where the real big bad only gets revealed at the end you absolutely can, but I think it's plain to see that the only reason JJ resorted to Sheev is that Ryan had offed Snoke and he was unable/unwilling to make Kylo into a compelling enough villain to carry the conclusion of three trilogies on his own, let alone pull a completely new, un-foreshadowed villain out of a hat for the final act.

@pendragon0905

2 жыл бұрын

Chained Satan?

@seawolf4846

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, but the start of the war has Parallels in a sense to the Yum Kippur War, which started on Yum Kippur, a major holiday in Israel.

@samk522

Жыл бұрын

"Somehow Kaiser Wilhelm returned."

@canisjay

Жыл бұрын

@@samk522 the cursed ending

I didn't think I could be more upset with the sequel trilogy. I was wrong. The Templin Institute's writers are the best on KZread, and I fervently wish we could see this version of the conflict on screen.

@lookatthepicture4107

Жыл бұрын

What infuriates me the most is that Every. Single. Single major plot point and character is still there, I can even see bits of the movies playing as they are but in a different order and/or context The Templin Institute only said to themselves "lets do the same but better"

Whilst I did enjoy the sequels for the most part, I really think focusing on the Resistance instead of the entire New Republic military was a major mistake on the writers’ part.

@atomic_wait

2 жыл бұрын

Seemed like they essentially fridged the entire New Republic in the first movie so they wouldn't have to deal with all that scope. It let them essentially remake the original trilogy, which was smart from a business standpoint but kind of boring. That and it essentially immediately threw out all the effort and sacrifice portrayed in the original trilogy, with Darth Vader sacrificing himself to kill the emperor being one of the more dramatic.

@neofulcrum5013

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I would’ve had the resistance be a partisan/intelligence network in the fight right beside the new republic.

@atomic_wait

2 жыл бұрын

@@neofulcrum5013 Or maybe the resistance is the training wheels for the audience in the first film, and then the world opens up in the second and third movies to include the Republic so you don't overload the audience immediately. Like, Rey is in a backwater and ignorant of the galactic order of things and gets introduced to the conflict by elements of the first order and the resistance, then in the second movie the resistance gets brought back into the fold when the First Order reveals itself as the public face of the Final Order at the end of TFA. Then the second film is about rallying the Galaxy against a resurgent extremist sith military led by Snoke. End of the second movie might be Kylo killing snoke and becoming the big bad, with no palpatine directly involved at all.

@DOSFS

2 жыл бұрын

​@@atomic_wait Or if Palpatine gonna involves... show us hinds in the first movie...-----

@inventorking9124

2 жыл бұрын

Or, just simplify it and get rid of the Resistance whilst still giving them an underdog feeling. Have Leia be the Chancellor of the New Republic from the beginning, and have her escape the Hosnian Cataclysm in TFA, hence why Snoke is putting so much effort into chasing them in TLJ. There ya go, you don't even have to change the story at all, just the background.

Bringing in Thrawn in the last act with a bunch of Imperial forces on the New Republic side is the sort of third act shake up the sequels really, desperately needed. Something different, graphically distinct, with a compelling central character: Thrawn. It gives a visual chance in the last big set pieces where you'd be able to show Imperial hardware being good at what it does rather then being clowned on, and you can pretty obviously just have Ackbar and Thrawn side-by-side showing off the different styles of strategy. Rogue One showed Mon Calamari actually work on screen in this role, so it would've been a great opportunity to show off the more alien side of the Star Wars universe. The reimagined Sith Eternal Star Destroyers are also a way better choice - overpowered without feeling stupid, and graphically have an obvious sort of "feel" they should be given - like watching nuclear war from space, rather then sort of spectacle which the Death Star and blowing up planets is. Something which feels like the crime it is and has an ominous, creeping threat to it - you can cut from the opening crawl right to a Star Destroyer setting off "the big nuke" on a planet surface, mix it up acoustically with that dull low rumble of a distant explosion rather then any of the drama and whine of the normal Star Wars energy weapons.

@nickter745thebold8

2 жыл бұрын

But Thrawn was already brought up in the Mandalorian, with Ahsoka hunting him. Seems inconvenient to include him now that we may get an inkling of his fate in the Ahsoka series.

@Operator2l4160

Жыл бұрын

@@nickter745thebold8 i like that , engineering wise , theyre not death stars that blew up planets , but the have less punch but equality destructive like “torching” the life out of planets , nukey style ., like incinerating the atmosphere - planet is intact but sapient life inside not so much

@robirvine6970

Жыл бұрын

That would have confused the fuck out of the audience. The average person does not engage with the EU. At all.

@CommanderWolf888

Жыл бұрын

@@robirvine6970 There's a concept in creative writing called: "trust your readers." It means that writers need to recognize that their audience isn't stupid, that they can put the pieces together, and that the writer should treat them as such. You say the Thrawn twist wouldn't work because the average viewer doesn't engage with the EU, but that's treating the audience as stupid. If written well, this Thrawn twist would work excellently and wouldn't be confusing at all. Sure, some people wouldn't know Thrawn's background, but all the films would have to do is demonstrate his skills and allude to part of his past to justify his knowledge of the Unknown Regions.

@CommanderWolf888

Жыл бұрын

@@nickter745thebold8 To be honest, I'd take this version of Thrawn where he's strategically opportunistic and showing grey morality by fighting on the right side but for self-interested reasons than whatever the Ahsoka series has in store for him, which will most likely just have him be a full-blown villain again. Don't get me wrong, I hope that the Ahsoka series pulls and Andor and surpasses my expectations, I'm just not confident it will.

Oh my, that writing. This is the sort of quality we actually want. Forgot about big budget movies. It would best to make this with big budget series that rival GOT. With one epic scale of movies as its finale, just like AOT series.

I love how the Lothal basically became the USS Enterprise of the New Republic Navy.

@jaffarebellion292

2 жыл бұрын

Or the First Cylon War-era Galactica. A warship which has seen more combat than any other, has an experienced crew of veteran personnel, and no matter what gets thrown at it, it just refuses to fucking die.

@deloreanrc

2 жыл бұрын

First Order: We did It! We finally sank the Lothal! Lothal: *Jumps in with its Ragtag Armada* The News of my death was greatly exaggerated.

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

Lothal vs the Sith

@illucidate3749

2 жыл бұрын

@@deloreanrc First order: We destroyed the Lothal ffs Lothal: **Run it back**

Really great! "One does not improvise the deployment of millions" Nice reference to Moltke the younger and the Kaiser's conversation.

@jaffarebellion292

2 жыл бұрын

"Palpatine would've known better than to ask" I need to see this conversation unfold on screen.

@gavinsmith9871

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaffarebellion292 The funny part is that Palps is controlling Snoke. So he isn't even right here.

Thank you so much for mentioning the Separatist holdouts! The galaxy is a massive place, and one thing totally missing in the sequels was building that scope. It would have been genius of them to allow for a less monolithic Republic, with a wide spectrum of territories all committed to a decentralized galaxy, which both pushes them together but keeps them distinct. Imagine if The Last Jedi, rather than being one of cinema's longest chase scenes, had been focused on the heroes recruiting allies to the Resistance, followed by the First Order at each turn, until eventually the First Order finally gets a step ahead of the Resistance. At the midpoint of the movie, our main cast is welcomed by a well-armed Imperial holdout seemingly ready to turn a new leaf. But, suddenly, our main cast is surrounded by First Order troops and the system's local forces, and the Supremacy suddenly appears in orbit, as the self-important sector Moff only agreed to an alliance with the First Order with the condition of the Snoke and Kylo Ren presenting themselves in the flesh. While some of the main cast is held hostage, after an intense infiltration of the Supremacy by Finn and other Resistance members (some introduced as new allies during the movie?), they're able to create a hole in the security of the star system. Suddenly, Rei returns with Luke Skywalker. Together they and Resistance forces fight their way through in a daring rescue to save Leia, Finn, and other Resistance leaders, until they encounter Snoke, who quickly retreats to the Supremacy. Rei follows while Luke holds Kylo at bay, surrounded by an arena of Resistance, First Order, and former Imperial troops, who create an arena of laser fire whose intensity begins to waver as attention is drawn to the epic duel between Legendary Master and Corrupted Student. As Luke breaks not a sweat during the duel, Kylo is humiliated as he realizes it's just a force projection. Enraged, he beats a hasty retreat after the Dark Master who abandoned him. Sensing this opportunity, Rei coordinates with the infiltrators still on board the Supremacy. After a magnificent, 3-way duel amidst a compromised supercarrier whose hyperdrive is rigged to misfire in a spectacular, silent slice through the fabric of reality, Kylo regains some respect of the First Order by defeating a cowardly Supreme Leader, claiming his title, and beating back the woman seen by many as Skywalker's successor. The stage is set for a new, more aggressive First Order and a bolder, more desperate resistance to finish this war that is spreading like wildfire across the galaxy This is just a spiel but I think I've written a more competent outline for the 2nd movie than JJ Abrams did, albeit with 20/20 hindsight and the Templin Institute's magnificent work as reference.

@yamatojoe7327

9 ай бұрын

That you did! Although Rian Johnson wrote 8. Either way, I love your idea 10,000 times more than the actual Episode 8 we got. Do you have any ideas for episode 9?

This is what happens when you get history nerds, universe fans, and authors to write the major storyline. The weaving of themes and events from both our world and theirs is masterful. The correction of ideas from the fever-dream of the Sequels took maybe 6 weeks' worth of localized events and expanded it into 6 years of galaxy-wide conflict. Given the License and the funding, Templin could make this new storyline into decades of new content for the hungry fans. The ending of changing a name into a title, is just the cherry on top of a masterpiece.

This is absolutely fanfiction, but I don't see what is "dangerous" about it. There's nothing wrong with fanfiction. You guys made quality fanfiction. Just own it.

@thereseemstobeenanerror1219

2 жыл бұрын

Who said this was dangerous?

@KillerOrca

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Dangerous for Disney cause it’s better than their attempt maybe

@TheSquareheadgamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@KillerOrca I don't think multi-billion dollar grossing Disney is worried about temple institute tbh

@KillerOrca

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSquareheadgamer Oh for sure, thats just the only thing I can think of that would make it dangerous.

@scruffyea4062

2 жыл бұрын

why is this comment so passive aggressive? have they ever denied they're not making fan fiction?

The start of a new order, the Sky Walkers, I find it fitting since the family was supposed to be the chosen ones and in the end their name became what the jedi lost

@jaieregilmore971

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but didn’t the Chiss had a military group call Sky walkers as well?

@Lonewolf-dy5yb

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaieregilmore971 Yes. A group of young Chiss girls that posessed a limited amount of Force Sensitivity were used as navigators in the CEDF.

@e.v4892

2 жыл бұрын

Since this is supposed to be an alternate Disney timeline, it could stand to reason that the Chiss Skywalkers became a stronger force comparable to Jedi and Sith through training headed by Ezra Bridger. He’d have nowhere to go after the ending of Rebels, and Thrawn would be all too eager to use Bridger’s powers for the better. Perhaps in this hypothetical timeline, a spinoff or book series would explore Thrawn and Bridger’s time in between the OT and ST, where Bridger’s new Skywalkers, lead by Thrawn’s leadership and Imperial knowledge, defeat the Grysk and bring about a Chiss Golden Age. Fast forward to the revised ST, the Chiss Skywalkers could be brought up in the second movie. Assuming Luke’s duel with Kylo is in the first movie (with it being such a deciding factor in the early part of the war) and that this version of Luke shares TLJ’s Luke’s dislike of the Jedi order, Rey could be referred to the Chiss Skywalkers to further her training for the second movie. Ezra Bridger, having been taught by Ahsoka - a Grey Jedi - would help Rey (and maybe Luke too, if he joined the ride). Whilst they’re in the Ascendancy, Rey could also inspire lower ranking Chiss officers that the Republic is the better option. This exposure would set up the Chiss Ascendancy for the third and final act.

@adamczechowski614

2 жыл бұрын

Beet me to it Oz. "I am Ray, I'm a Skywalker." Much better, then "I am Ray, Ray Skywalker."

@jaieregilmore971

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamczechowski614 Seems kinda boring in terms how big of the galaxy far far away is and at the end of the day Rey didn’t felt like a main character due to she didn’t really impact the galaxy at all compare to what Anakin and Luke did honestly she felt more of a student that never change through out the Disney trilogy I think it was best her to be was just many Jedi students of the new Jedi order to shows she is just one of many Jedi in a larger world.

30:41 Thrawns reveal would’ve been insane in theaters as legends fans lose their fucking minds as moms with their kids look around completely and absolutely perplexed

"Palpatine would have known better than to ask" is an INCREDIBLE line holy crap.

The parallels to real world conflicts in this are strong and powerful. So well done! Your three Reimaginings are my head canon for the ST and some RPG campaigns set during it.

@IsaiahRichards692

2 жыл бұрын

I erased the entire sequel trilogy altogether and made my own trilogy using the same characters: Movie 1: The New Republic is in crisis. A monarchical alien planet is considering secession while the NR debates whether to open lines of diplomacy or invade. A senile, bed-ridden Chancellor Mon Mothma demands that invasion plans are drawn up (a lifetime of politics and old age have eroded her values). She is nicknamed Empress Palpatine because she refused to step down from being Chancellor. Former Princess Leia suffers several PTSD panic attacks and is confined to her residence where Han, her husband, takes care of her. Han is a former NR Captain who supports them both with his Navy pension. The Millennium Falcon is put in a museum. Rey grows up in a foster home on Chandrilla, the NR Capital, where her force sensitivity lands her in a university that prepares its students to join the Jedi Order under Grand Master Luke. The Uni is incredibly decadent and corrupt with teen pregnancies, drunken brawls and rape incidents. (Luke wanted a new Jedi Order with fewer restrictions on emotions and ended up making Space Harvard!) Rey instead joins the NR Intelligence Bureau as a secret agent. The movie ends with the NR cautiously declaring a peacekeeping mission to the secessionist planet. Movie 2: NR Generals were cautious with the invasion plans because this planet was once visited by Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Galactic Empire. Thrawn returned to Emperor Palpatine and told him not to invade because it was impossible. Palpatine begrudgingly listened to him and established an Imperial embassy on the planet and sent ambassadors to form an alliance. This planet seceded from the NR because they preferred the Empire. The NR can’t bombard the planet because the enemy Starfleet is vastly superior. They hope to cut off the enemy fleet’s resupply by taking their Capital intact. Pilot Poe Dameron, Infantryman Finn, Engineer Rose and Special Agent Rey are deployed to the front lines. The aliens have better technology and tactics. They command air superiority and turn the ground battle into a trench war, regularly slaughtering the NR Army using fake retreats and artillery strikes. In Space, their ships’ shields are impenetrable. Rey is soon able to help sense their weaknesses and helps create a WMD that will wipe out the aliens (can be a gas or a bomb). The aliens and their fleet are annihilated by Rey’s weapon and they lose the conventional war. Mon Mothma passes away and her replacement is a young man with no combat experience who thinks wars are one-sided slaughters. He is brainwashed by Rebel propaganda from the Galactic Civil War and decides to introduce a Total War campaign. Movie 3: The aliens are on their last legs but make the NR Army pay for every inch of ground. When their King is killed, the population is put into manual labor to help harvest their technology. The new Chancellor is impeached as a war criminal. Rey and the others face enormous guilt and PTSD after they helped commit genocide. Rumors are spread on social media that the Imperial Remnant is attacking but the sources are unreliable. A Star Wars Red Scare takes place, nicknamed the Stormtrooper Scare despite no stormtroopers appearing on screen. Rey and her friends look into the distance, the future is uncertain, even with Rey’s foresight… -That took me $0.00 and 10 minutes to make up!

@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@aspookedcrawler8582

2 жыл бұрын

@@IsaiahRichards692 this sucs.

@IsaiahRichards692

2 жыл бұрын

@@aspookedcrawler8582 Way to crap on my dreams! Why does it suck?

@IsaiahRichards692

2 жыл бұрын

@01000110 ! Really? Because I feel like I solved the problem of ripping off the OT, I got rid of the fan service, not a single stormtrooper shows up on screen, the antagonists are threatening, the events feel like the logical next step for the New Republic and it’s a trilogy about a changing of the guard! So I’m curious about what you didn’t like?

I like that you guys write within certain limits set by the sequel trilogy's big events and battles. It certainly makes some elements from them more palatable. But I'd love to see y'all do a from-scratch remake of the sequel trilogy entirely at some point. But for using the elements of canon that are there, this is certainly far more entertaining than most of the new media we've gotten.

This was a gripping war story on the same scale as the Yuuzhan Vong War. Admire the amount of thought and art that went into it. Made the Star Wars galaxy a more complex place.

The “Skywalkers” are what I always believed the Jedi should evolve into. The Sith are dead, the Jedi are extinct, now, a new order rises. A new order that embraces attachments, but teaches to let go when the time is right. A new order that doesn’t become involved with galactic affairs, but protects the people of the galaxy from evil. A new order of those who follow the callings of the Force and vanquish any signs of the corruption of the Dark Side. The Skywalkers should’ve been the new order to correct every mistake the Jedi ever made and become the ultimate order of Force users in the galaxy.

@captain-chair

2 жыл бұрын

I love this idea. God I wish Disney actually listened to fans.

@marcbartuschka6372

2 жыл бұрын

But to be honest I do not think that the Sith or Jedi are really dead/gone. They will both return since they are no bloodline or cult alone, but also certain schools of thinking, and as long as people have strong opinions about them they could return (although modified through the perception of the new Jedi/Sith). And finally all what is needed that the Sith return is a young, ambitious force user who stumbles into the wrong tomb or watch the wrong holocron...

@heastner

Жыл бұрын

Not Skywalkers, But Sky Walkers.

@ShadowSonic2

Жыл бұрын

@@captain-chair Listening to fans is the worst thing you can do. Fans are disloyal and fickle creatures who will turn on you in an instant.

@captain-chair

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowSonic2 True.

I love the idea of the Resistance attempting to destroy Starkiller Base before it could destroy the Hosnian System that's a neat twist

@Ale-dd3ek

Жыл бұрын

This Is how you subvert expectations

@syppy7416

Жыл бұрын

@@Ale-dd3ek agreed, that actually was the idea in some earlier drafts

Since you're using a lot of EC Henry's designs for this series I was thinking it would be super cool if you actually commissioned him or some other 3D artist to put together a custom Stellaris shipset for Invicta Season 3; Your original art for the Confederacy had a really unique design language but in-game it was just the default mammalian ships and I feel like it was something of a missed opportunity. In fact you have to slowly research everything past corvettes over the course of the entire campaign so you can actually use the designs to depict how your nation grows and evolves throughout its history.

@firstoffproductions1462

2 жыл бұрын

Judging by lore dumps, Season 3 appears to be the "what if" scenario involving the Greater Terran Union and the Antares Commonwealth together

@comentnine1574

2 жыл бұрын

@@firstoffproductions1462 You sure?

@firstoffproductions1462

2 жыл бұрын

@@comentnine1574 No, as I'm not part of the Templin Institute's team, though as previously mentioned, it does currently appear to look like that.

@goldenhorde6944

2 жыл бұрын

@@firstoffproductions1462 They're only two seasons in and we weren't even introduced until the very tail end of Se2, it would make zero sense to just retread the two empire they'd already done instead of any of the worldbuilding that people actually watch invicta for.

@firstoffproductions1462

2 жыл бұрын

@@goldenhorde6944 Nakiska - Wormhole, after credits scene Video going over the Font of Knowledge (pretty sure the Screk Empire one) - They talk about how the Screk pretty much used a multiverse lens to peice together a picture of the GTU, at which point they tried recreating it, also they linked the Antares Miasma and other things towards the multiverse and unbidden so again, I SAID IT APPEARS, DOESN'T ACTUALLY MEAN ANYTHING SO FAR

21:09 “snokes sudden removal and suspected execution surprise everyone from both sides.” Historians who actually studied the past: is it, is it really surprising? 😂😂 Edit: WHAT THE HELL, THRAWN IS HERE!!! Finished the video edit: I want more, I don’t care if it diverges into fanfiction, it’s better than the sequels at least.

I love the idea that you still made a Battle of Exegal involving ISDs, but in a way that no Star Wars fan could ever grumble against.

We need more of this kind of war re-imagined in other media. I would love to hear a re-imagining of the factions and war in Call Of Duty infinite warfare. Making the settlement defense front more realistic with the war being created by an overzealous admiral who nearly succeeded at destroying the UNSA's fleet.

@BoisegangGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I really do think the SDF needed more expansion than just generic space fascists. Don't get me wrong, I love blowing up generic space fascists, but they were just missing a bit of spice.

@the_corvid97

2 жыл бұрын

I like how you think

@slingshotdev

2 жыл бұрын

You'd probably end up with something akin to the Expanse's earth-mars conflict. I am glad someone's mentioned Infinite Warfare; the art direction is wonderful and if it had few ajustments and had not been under the COD banner, I think the singleplayer could've been a success on its own.

@karmaschampion8940

2 жыл бұрын

I would absolutely love to see this. Infinite Warfare despite its flaws was fun.

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

@@slingshotdev I kind of think of it having some reverse of the Expanse's ideas. Earth being technologically advanced with a smaller but more advanced fleet with Mars using the vast resources of space to build multiple vessels of varying degrees of combat effectiveness. The SDF being a mix between the MCR and OPA. With one person taking a bunch of ships to launch their own personal war against Earth but amazingly actually brought Earth to its knees militarily. Not just smack them good.

I’m over the moon you’re doing a sequel to the FO and NR reimagined videos!!!

@delta2372

2 жыл бұрын

This still has a lot of issues, better than what we got but still allot

@apex1757

2 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or does the original comment say it was posted three days ago

@matthewdavis9966

2 жыл бұрын

@@apex1757 they did a countdown after the “FO-NR War doesn’t work” was released so it was possible to comment on it before it released

Well done gentleman, after a trilogy of 30 minute videos we can officially call the Sequels FIXED. You did what the biggest entertainment corporation on earth couldn't with 7 years, billions of dollars spent, three movies and support material.

This is single-handedly the greatest Star Wars alternate universe proposal I have heard. Bringing in Thrawn at the end, my mind was absolutely blown. You said “the Empire of the hand” and I said OUT LOUD “Thrawn!” Before you said it was actually led by. This video is better than the whole sequel trilogy hands down.

Sith Eternal: “With our glorious Emperor Palpatine back & the power of the Xyston-Class Star Destroyers at our command, nothing will deter us from victory!” Thrawn & his Empire of the Hand: “Re-emerges to ally with the New Republic.” Sith Eternal: “Well… We’re screwed.”

The Skywalkers. Okay, that definitely caught my attention. Like a new order of Force users or Jedi. Very interesting.

@ShortandWide

2 жыл бұрын

Right? like that is an amazing use of a legacy within the universe of star wars.

@gmm7852

Жыл бұрын

It would've been a hell of a more fitting end than Rey just choosing Skywalker as her last name.

Loved the various sub-factions and smaller groups that end up fleshing out the scope of the conflict. This isn't just two monolithic states going up against each other, but various alliances and unions with distinct goals and ideals on both sides.

I like how this incorporates elements of the sequels as they were produced (such as the massive arrival of irregular forces in a critical battle) in a much more realistic and thought through manner. Wishing I could see this as a remake!

I'm more hyped for this video than I was for any Star Wars related project since I saw Star Wars 7 in theaters! All aboard the hype ship!

@mecanimetales4647

2 жыл бұрын

Same xD

@Casey-jn3ib

2 жыл бұрын

This might have to be incorporated into the head canon

Someone needs to contact Darth Disney and 'force' them to hire The Templin Institute to rewrite the sequel series. Words alone cannot express how much better this was than what we got. Thank you, this was truly amazing.

I rarely comment on things but honestly that was a perfect reimagining especially since you clearly stuck to the rules of “crap we gotta keep this but make it work” it was genuinely compelling. Great work guys

Giving Kylo some cruel cunning with the killing fields was a great idea

The sad part is they had so much source material they could have used instead. The EU New Republic vs Imperial Remnant war was great.

YES. This is what I wanted! Finally I could see the Reimagined FO - NR War from the Institute! Thanks!

I like that, First Order as the Bad guys, New Republic as the Good guys and then the Wild Card known as the Empire of the Hand

As a naval , ww1 and ww2 enthusiast, the amount of references here is just delicious. This is exciting, it makes me crave to see it!!! I WANT TO SEE THIS!!!

I like the parallels with World War One. Also I’m glad you recognized how Rey’s name of skywalker was going to be the title of a new force sensitive order.

That cover art alone is more dope than the entire sequel trilogy ngl. So frickin excited

I actually am writing an entire novel series centering around a re-imagined version of this war. While there is a fine line between complex and convoluted, I have worked on it for almost four years now to make it interesting and deep with detail. It will soon be available in the serial format for anyone that wants to read it. Edit: To allay fears of not finishing it in depth, I have written down an entire paper in the style of this video, outlining its plot and some key details. Idk what I will do with it, but it still exists.

@ImperialZorn686

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@altec6976

2 жыл бұрын

Put a link here when you start posting it?

@OldJohann

2 жыл бұрын

@@altec6976 I am not sure. I have no intention of posting it to any of the Fanfiction websites not only due to the sheer scale of my story, but also due to the low moral character and rather sleezy reputation that a fair number of those sites can sometimes have. I also wish for it to be as original and personally overseen as possible (despite it being Fanfiction ironically). I have poured hundreds of hours into my work, and I intend on creating an independent website to host it. Since I am also legally obligated NOT to make money off of it in any way, it may take more time than I might think. It will hopefully let it out of the bag sometime soon.

@raptorusmaximus1295

Жыл бұрын

@@OldJohann I'll have to keep checking back periodically to see when it's up then. Best of luck friend.

@kylestevenson9699

Жыл бұрын

@@OldJohann perhaps rework the naming conventions and various other copyrighted material within it that way you can release it as an original work.

When you started talking about the imperial remnant group that stubbornly maintained its neutrality, I must admit I was thinking about the Pentastar alignment, but Ardus Kaine would have probably joined in the war after 30 years of relative peace and consolidation.

@rakisuzuki-burke4148

2 жыл бұрын

I had thought it was the Imperial Remnant under Palleon, but instead it was Thrawn.

@HonestObserver

Жыл бұрын

Wish it was GADM Zaarin, back from the dead, complete with an armada with next generation TIE Defenders

When you started talking about a great force that didn't enter the fight on either side yet, I was so thrilled to get just a few fictional words of what had happend to Grand Admiral Thrawn. Edited: Great video and storytelling

You guys are so good at reimagining stories that you made Emperor Palpatine's return, the WORST part of the trilogy, seem awesome. That is a miracle. 👌😊

@Daniel-jk6ve

Жыл бұрын

“Somehow Darth Mickey returned…”

the Thrawn reveal was MINDBLOWING to me. You guys played it off SO FREAKING GOOD!!

I watched this alone, then a second time with my husband. When the big reveal about Shape Land occurred, his surprise was palpable. His exact words were, "Oh snap!"

Oh dang, what an ending to a fantastic series! I especially loved the implication that Rey's the last jedi, not because the entire concept of them is gone, but because it's been reborn as something new, and named (presumably) for Luke! I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest something like this in such an interesting, positive way - if the sequel trilogy ever gets redone, the people doing so obviously need to get in touch with the Templin Institute, because this was an absolutely thrilling ride, even in such a simplified format and description!

Luke not being a myth being the reason the resistance revitalized is amazing

Reminds me a lot of how the Old Republic Story starts. With the Sith Empire suddenly appearing with large number of forces and throwing the galaxy in turmoil. I love it and I wish Disney would do more with their IPs

I love the gritty WW2 feels. I also love how Thrawn made his appearance in this reimagined. Excellent work.

That the Templin Institute was able to create a more nuanced, interesting, and coherent story than the people being paid billions to shit on a desk at Lucasarts is crazy. Good work, guys!

@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

"What out mothers and fathers fought for, we will not let die. Today we make our last stand. For the Galaxy. For Leia. For everyone we've lost." "They're taken enough of us. Now we take the war to them." -- Poe Domeron and Finn

A nice space Schlieffen plan-WWI story with all the necessary star wars elements. Really loved the fact that the star killer was a one off. The fleshing out of the New Republic as a non-complete entity that had political struggles and the First order/sith eternal as revanchist extremists was great.

Honestly I want to hear more about Lady Lothal; the brief mention of its accomplishments and the adherence to the naming convention of the Endor class was really cool

Ever since I saw the "New Republic Reimagined" vid, I've tried to imagine what it would be like to fight in this war, either as part of a New Republic military remnant, or as part of one of the many volunteer groups. Now I have my answer. Thanks for this series, Templin Institute! I always enjoy seeing people speculate on what could have been done better.

What a great way to start revenge of the 5th

What a magnificent reimagining of this originally underwhelming conflict. A actual understanding of ideology, intrigue and military matters has breathed life into this war. Not simply a rehash of the original trilogy, but a timeline that accounts for the well established post Endor lore. Impressive work as always guys! Also, is the lothal a reference to the USS enterprise and it’s exploits during the opening phases of the pacific campaign? Because that’s the vibe I was getting!

@starpunisher3851

10 ай бұрын

The name "Lady Lothal" references the WWII US aircraft carrier "Lady Lex" or USS Lexington (CV-2) that served in the Pacific Theatre.

"The Empire... of the Hand." Thrawn, my beloved. Welcome back.

I really enjoyed this take on the sequels, the way you guys managed to take the bare bones of the conflict we got in the sequels and found and way to beef it up and make things fit more properly together. I would have liked at the end a little more expansion on your version of Rey’s influence on the war and her battle with Palpatine, but overall, really good stuff 👍🏻

If anyone is interested there is some good fanfiction on the First Order/New Republic war. One is called The Reclaimer and essentially just makes the frisk order competent and makes the universe less black and white Another is called Infinites: The First Order War, which deals with a coalition of Coreallian and the Imperial Remnant fighting off the first order. It essentially reads like a history book and both are excellent reads. Probably going to start work on something in this era once I a finish my Earth in Star Wars series

@Krmelj1308

2 жыл бұрын

Where can i find it?

@bluerexstudios3412

2 жыл бұрын

I want to read it 2

@darko8959

2 жыл бұрын

Can you give the links?

@christopherbravo1813

2 жыл бұрын

yes! please give us the links!

@quintosertorio1364

2 жыл бұрын

Give us the link

"Your father... would have given me a different answer." "And Palpatine would've known better than to ask." Fuck that's a really good line...

@gavinsmith9871

2 жыл бұрын

This was based on a real exchange between a German General and the Kaiser during WW1.

You people at the Institute made this seem so damn real that it was mind blowing! Adding Thrawn and his remaining forces in towards what seemed to be the end days of the war was a pitch perfect application of the Chiss way of doing things. Also, I loved how ya’ll didn’t dwell solely on the Force and all that. You kept it on a purely geopolitical and military level (ie the secular level, not the “spiritual”). The way you really hit gold was merely mentioning Rey at the end like a myth or a faint whisper in the dark. This was freaking great! Well done! 👍🏻

Excellent reimagining, you basically kept everything at the core of the conflict (even the weird parts like Snoke dying or Palpatine returning) but made it 10 times more epic! Idk how I feel about throwing Thrawn in there tho, that came close to fan fiction levels of Fan Service. Still very cool. Also you introduced so much background stuff that I hope you'll eventually talk about more in depth like the New Separatists and most importantly Rey!

@comentnine1574

2 жыл бұрын

Or the lothal

@Commanderstevo

2 жыл бұрын

Idk about fan service, its actually reaching into legends lore with what *actually* happened after the fall of the empire. In the situation that Templin created, there needed to be a sort of "mcguffin" that would allow the strike on exogal (dont know how to spell it) and Thrawn has a very established relationship with the unknown regions pre dating any of this, I think his services there were actually mentioned in the first order reimagined series. overall I feel it was more of a merging of the old Legends lore of the second galactic civil war and the war lords, mixed the first order/new Disney cannon and overall story arch. it works very well.

@jorgesagredo1186

2 жыл бұрын

About Palpatine the first thing i understand about this video Is that the ask karrat Made some ancient Sith necromancer power to revive him like maul And saying the true this Is better that what the hell was presented in the Disney movie Aslo DOKI DOKI WAKU WAKU TO PALPATINE atte: Sith eternal gang

This is my new headcanon for all Disney lore. Why can't Disney hire fans like The Templin Institute to write their scripts from now on? This was just incredible, thank you for doing this.

The idea of the resistance simply being a sideshow to the main war is something I really like. If the sequel trilogy had simply focused on the resistance (like it did in the irl one) but had all this going on in the background, it would’ve made the galaxy seem so much bigger, and the consequences of the actions of the main characters so much more important and widespread.

Ok wow, I just got to the von Moltke (the younger)/ Kaiser exchange; I love it! It's even Veers' son (the younger), bravo! Thank you from a history buff!

This will be awesome. Thumbnail looks amazing.

Absolutely love the nods to real life history -- having the Lothal basically parallel USS Enterprise is a nice touch :)

THIS WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!! Star Wars needs this kind of war in its stories where both sides enter a true stalemate to show multiple types of warfare and contingencies

Guys, it's simply astonishing what you have done with this series, once again it's proven that we the fans have more creativity and passion to detail than the corporate studios that hunger our money. I want to thank you for all of your great work. This "Reimagined" series to me is what really happened after the battle of endor, and after my kids have seen the Original trilogy, i will show them this masterpieces. Thank you and may the force be with you.....always

If this is a dangerous slide into fan fiction territory, then Danger is my middle name.

As a really, really big fan of the Galactic Empire, I was smiling ear to ear when you revealed that they were the deciding factor at the end. My Galactic Empire, without evil leadership and corruption, proving that can be and is a force for good. Fighting against the all that's wrong with the Empire in the form of a hollow knock-off. Such a redemption was my dream and now it's reality in your cannon :)

Why have we not, like, 7 movies already about this alternate timeline? Because THIS is the perfect script for a new Star Wars trilogy.

honestly let's just hope whoever has the next idea for a Star wars movie or anything like that they hire you man

Will you talk about Earth Federation and Principality of Zeon and their respective military power, Templin Institute?

@Bayofthe91st

2 жыл бұрын

Several viewers already asking them for years, seems that they dont really put any interest to anime-based scifi stories. So shame because its aftermath is really similar to The Expanse plot (minus the alien stuff).

I love how this kept the elements and themes of the sequels but made them flow in a cohesive and brilliant way. Great video!

"This is Chancellor Leia Organa. You are about to embark on a mission of upmost importance. Behind you, stands the free galaxy. Their hope's and dreams of lives free of fear fly with you. This fight will not be easy. You fight an enemy well prepared and well trained. But you are not weak. You are not ill trained conscripts, or lazy volunteers. You are soldiers of the New Republic. We can except nothing but complete victory. May the Force be with you." "This is Admiral Ackbar, all ships report in!" "This is the Lothal, reporting in!" "Battleship Raddis, reporting in!" "Corvette Darklighter, reporting in!" "This is General Wedge Antilles, reporting in." "Rogue Leader, reporting in sir. Point us at what ship you want to be the first smoldering wreck." "Admiral, we-we have additional signatures." "This is the Mandolorian Battlecrusier Bes'bev. The Mando'ade join you in your fight." "This is the Millennium Falcon. Thought we'd leave you guys alone?" "This is Red Five, reporting in." "Luke?" "Feels weird piloting this again, but eh, ya know, that's how it is." "All Alliance forces, attack! For the New Republic!"