..... but be thou faithful until death, and I will give thee a crown of life Rev. 2:10. So, if we die without being faithful, we Won't get the crown. There's no changing our state/fate, after death.

Please more of this type of discussions with other denominations. This was absolutely wonderful 🙏 Top tier, brother in Christ

Thank U, Brother Willisms. I ❤️ this forum. This was informative in many ways. In the Church of Christ, we believe in what the Bible, Book, Scripture & Verse says. I really enjoyed this.

Someone from the audience already said at minute 42 what I said about Jesus saying, "You will die in your sin. Where I am going you cannot come." Praise God. The brethren are on top of it!

God words is not going to change for nobody. 💯 💯

I agree with the statement that Bro. Williams is being respectful to give the LDS church a true picture of the church of christ teaching. This is showing that the LDS teaching is truly different from the church of christ teaching and doctrine. The brother talked about having Apostles today within the doctrine of the LDS denomination. Acts 1:12-26, (verses 21 & 22) tells us the specific requirements to be an Apostle of Jesus Christ. These scriptures tells us today, there are no Apostles of Jesus today; unless they are 2,000 years old or older? Also individually we do not have a church only Jesus. Jesus is the only person suffered and died for the sin of the world, resurrected and is still living today, sitting on the right hand of God, the Father. It is always great to give those a chance to know the truth, the teaching, and doctrine of Jesus Christ that is stated in the scriptures in the Holy Bible only. So, they are able to know the truth and come to Jesus Christ. if they are willing. Great and amazing teaching Bro. Williams, I see clearly. Thank you!!

Thank you Willie for preaching the truth of God’ word!

EXCELLENT DISCUSSION, but I DO NOT see 👀👁️👁️👀, HOW a SAVED Dead and risen Saint can CHOOSE to take on the TASK of being BAPTIZED.......... FOR .......a Person that is ALREADY DEAD. GONE 🫥 THE Brother said, he DOESN'T know IF the DEAD Spirit on the other side, to which their doing this Marvelous favor for has RECEIVED? BELIEVED? OR REPENTED............ SOOO THEN what's the point? What's the point? 🤷🏽‍♀️

We did not pre exist God created us we became a living soul by his spirit

This was an excellent discussion. I really didn’t know all the details of the LDS belief system. Thank you for helping me see how to confirm my faith without frustration or confrontation. I hope you will follow up if you should speak with them further.

Bro Williams a genius he basically started preaching right at the end was phenomenal. Great job preacher.

Boom!! Was not expecting that to end like that. Incredible

I had a patient who is a member of the LDS. He was about 20 years old, no wife and no kids...BUT, he said he was an elder. That's something else I'd like to know about.

🦋🌷🌻🪻 When HIS chosen speak! …… 🙏🏾 💫 Magical! (All smiles) 🌺 Joy! HIS truth carries all power! Bless you Sir! 🫶🏾

@NorthColonyCoC

2 ай бұрын

Happy Stuff...

Greetings from Baltimore, MD. What a nice surprise to have even more teaching than the regular scheduled programming. Thank you God and thanks to North Colony for providing the content.

Great way to illustrate the impossibility of baptism on behalf of a dead person in that your sinful man is already dead and you cannot access theirs 👏🏽

The spirit goes back to God the father

This conversation is fascinating - 2 Timothy 3:16

watching from the Philippines🇵🇭

You can't be baptized for no one

This was awesome, I hope that you do it again because those points were made loud and clear.

Beautifully done. 👏🏿❤

1 Peter 4: 11a KJV “ If any man speak , let him speak as the oracles of God;

Appears that LDS came there to convert the CoC.

In the Bible they would always use the location. To show where the church is at.

Curious to know if Galatians 1:6-9 was ever going to come up in the conversation

Good evening everyone!

I do believe their wedding ceremonies are only for members of their faith. My former employer invited the staff to the reception. He said we weren't allowed to come to the wedding

With the idea of being baptized for the dead: After being baptized, we're to live faithful unto death. It doesn't say live faithful while you're dead or after you die.

Watching from Selma,Al

I feel like I need a sermon on trinity now. Please

a good example of Isaiah 1:18 reason together

Church of Christ only speaks where the bible speaks no addition no take away

Galations 1:8-9

Luke 16:19-31 The rich man requested that Lazarus be sent to cool his tongue and requested that Lazarus be sent to warn his brothers to repent..both requests were denied. Verse 26 -31a great gulf fixed. It also illustrates that once we cross over, thats it there are no more chances. No more prayers for the dead or baptism on behalf of the dead.. I pray that the Latter Day Saints search the holy scriptures concerning their soul salvation..

@latoyacunningham6940

2 ай бұрын

Amen

You can never see Christ using another doctrine. That's point blank period. The veil will always stay over your eyes.

2 Peter 1:1-4 Is clear.. 1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and the'saviour Jesus Christ: 2Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; 3seeing that his divine power hath granted unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us by his own glory and virtue; 4whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.

The word of God ate this man! Part three + would turn his mind from some of the nonsense he believes. And no we not fixing to read no book of Mormons. The Bible is sufficient

John4:4 God the father is Spirit

The question I have is this: If we're to imitate Christ and He was not baptized for the dead, why do they?

Baptism is for remission of sins not for dead ppl

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

@EdenAkoni7

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! Searched the Scriptures. Not another book.

There was no we as humans where in heaven first! You cannot sin in the appearance of God in spirit then come to flesh to have a choice to get back to heaven.

Yes that Jesus said not to mention Joesph Smith is not a apostle

Who appointed these modern apostles and prophets?

@EdenAkoni7

2 ай бұрын

That's what I want to know. To me, he made it seem like their faith is the only one with these men. It was also stated: "How do we know that Revelation is the end, or last book?"-(Paraphrasing) How do we(they) know it isn't?

Also with them it's not so much as them not knowing the Word it's are they willing to obey it

Mormonism teaches that the living are to be baptized for those who are dead, so they can accept the vicarious baptism in the spirit world. This is the biggest religious group that you will come across that will teach this view point. This is why they spend much time in genealogies so that they can look back and try to save those in their families who have already died that may not be saved. It is interesting that the Book of Mormon itself does not teach the baptism for the dead. In fact, the book of Mormon teaches the opposite that only the time in this life is given to repent and prepare to meet God. But in the book Doctrine and Covenants Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion claimed to receive a revelation that they should be baptized for the dead. This comes from his idea that “it is an unthinkable and immoral doctrine to admit that all those men who died or who will die without baptism are damned forever.” But the ability to baptize for those who have already died violates many biblical passages and biblical principles.

@EdenAkoni7

2 ай бұрын

Even in that, it's still speculation. They don't know who is saved and who isn't. No one knows. Only God knows the heart of a person.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

‭John 8:21 ESV‬ [21] So he said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.” If someone dies in his sin, there is no changing that. Jesus said where he is, the one who died in sin cannot come. Therefore, someone who is still living cannot be baptized for the one who died in his sins and change his state. It is impossible for Jesus to lie. Brother Williams made it clear when he used Luke 16 to prove that once someone dies, he goes to Hades and no one is crossing over between the two parts of Hades. Everything is fixed at death!

@gbengoosewuru4139

2 ай бұрын

You're missing a whole lot of context. I love this group's love for the scripture, but you're missing quite a few things. He clarifies and adds more detail. "24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." If you know Jesus (the true Gospel), but you don't believe in who he says he is and have faith in him you will die in your sins. Jesus taught that BAPTISM is essential for salvation. If someone was not baptized on earth, did not hear the gospel, or were not baptized correctly, what will happen to them? The only way that ordinance can be performed is via proxy. We see this in 1 Cor 15 when Paul wrote in his letter, what is the point of baptism for the dead, if the dead do not rise? The dead do rise so the work is necessary.

@latoyacunningham6940

2 ай бұрын

Hi! It's not that I'm missing context. It's that the context supports the Scripture I used already, so I didn't need to post a lengthy answer. Kind of like when Jesus was tempted, He didn't give Satan long answers, just straight-forward Scriptures. However, if you would like to discuss more, I am open to discussion.

Never heard that one before. Baptizing for someone else?

@mabelsamuel536

2 ай бұрын

They call it the proxy baptism

If 1 Corinthians 13: 9-10 says this……. “For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ and the “perfect” has come…which is Gods word The Bible….then why would we need anything other book…I.e. Book of Mormon?

@gbengoosewuru4139

2 ай бұрын

Hello. It appears that you have misunderstood the meaning of the verses you quoted. This verse is not referring to scripture. I will leave you with these thoughts so you can ponder it. 1. In 1 Corr 5:9 Paul talks of a PREVIOUS letter about sexual morality. If the "scripture" is perfect, why isn't that letter in the bible? 2. 1st Corinthians and 2nd Corinthians are 2 different letters. They were written 1 year apart. So, if Paul said the scripture is perfect in 1 Corinthians, he would have never wrote the epistles a year later that we see in 2nd Corinthians. 3. If we look at the books written in chronological order (not in the order they were ordered in the new testament, we'll see that only Galatians, James, Hebrews, Mark, and Thessalonians were written before 1 Corinthians. If the scripture was perfect at the time 1 Corinthians was written, the rest of the books would have never been written. 4. The last book, John was written in 90's AD. The bible as we know it today wasn't officially put together and canonized via a vote until 382 AD. 5. Lastly read verse 12 carefully. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. You mentioned that the scripture is perfect even though the bible wasn't actually put together at the time 1 Corinthians was written. Let's go with that conclusion though. If it was perfect, why would Paul say that he and the church he was writing to at that time "see through a glass darkly"? If the scripture was perfect, they have everything they need. When we are "face to face" with the Father and Jesus Christ, "then they shall know". The dark glass will be removed. He ends the chapter by saying until then, continue in faith, charity, and hope. This chapter is all about the importance of charity, which is the pure love of Christ. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. I second Bro. Ward's invitation to read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it's true. Read it and let the holy Spirit lead you. If the spirit leads you to believe it's false, no harm, no foul. But I kmow for a surety it's true. If you read it genuinely and "ask" if it's true, God will reveal it unto you. Hope this helps and I look forward to your response.

I believe you, Brother Williams was being respectful of the Brother as you should’ve but you could’ve pointed out more scripture because he said some crazy stuff.

@ChristianDivaRadio

2 ай бұрын

They don’t believe in the totality of the Bible. They refute and ignore most scriptures and recognize some scriptures. Clearly they are use to addressing faiths that are not aligned in where the Bible speaks.

@lallen8131

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I was a bit disappointed with this part 2 of this discussion. COC here. He says he's one of the twelve that God has commissioned here on earth. 🤔I wasn't feeling this gentleman at all. Either your Mormons are not. You're still practicing and following the teachings of the Book of Mormon. I also got the impression he was also uncomfortable with his double talk. I wish the brother who started to challenge him was allowed to finish his comments, respectfully. God's words make sense, period.❤ Brother Williams handled him cool and calmly.

@lallen8131

2 ай бұрын

​@@ChristianDivaRadioAmen. I agree with your statement 100%

There is exact what we need for salvation in the bible. Anyone who says they have another "word" is a liar working for his father!!!

You guys have added words and taken away words from the kjv

1 Tim 1:4 not to give heed to fables and endless genealogies....

This man just lied on the foundations of Christ. That's really sad to see but my God I'd righteous And He will finish all in all in a righteous way. His vengeance is righteous and deserving.

Book chapter verse in the BIBLE NOT BOOK OF MORMON

He just admits ignorantly that they created a religion that did not come from the authority of God.

If you can't show me a scriptural principle in the BIBLE I am simply not interested!

The contradictions of this guy is astounding! He refuses to let go of his false teachings.

The New Testament is not yet fulfilled for there to be another testament. Neither does it point to another testament as the old which Jesus says He fulfilled did for the new.

@nook6000

2 ай бұрын

The covenant with Israel was always a plan by God to bring about the new covenant.

@nook6000

2 ай бұрын

The apostles never taught that God would send another prophet.

@nook6000

2 ай бұрын

Mormon teaching Mormonism teaches that the living are to be baptized for those who are dead, so they can accept the vicarious baptism in the spirit world. This is the biggest religious group that you will come across that will teach this view point. This is why they spend much time in genealogies so that they can look back and try to save those in their families who have already died that may not be saved. It is interesting that the Book of Mormon itself does not teach the baptism for the dead. In fact, the book of Mormon teaches the opposite that only the time in this life is given to repent and prepare to meet God. But in the book Doctrine and Covenants Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion claimed to receive a revelation that they should be baptized for the dead. This comes from his idea that “it is an unthinkable and immoral doctrine to admit that all those men who died or who will die without baptism are damned forever.” But the ability to baptize for those who have already died violates many biblical passages and biblical principles.

Why would you leave heaven to come down here and take a chance of losing your opportunity to be in heaven when you are already in heaven? What is this guy talking about?

I feel no need to read the book of mormon anymore than I would read the satanic bible.

No need to read book of this is false teaching don't entertain false books

@gbengoosewuru4139

2 ай бұрын

May I ask how you know it's a false book?

First time y'all left out Jesus. This time yall left out Christ. Guess the respect for each other still isn't there

@Kontro_Kev

2 ай бұрын

Huh did u watch the first one 😂

@gbengoosewuru4139

2 ай бұрын

​@@Kontro_KevIf I didn't watch the first one, how would I know to write what I wrote?

@stephdee3811

2 ай бұрын

JESUS CHRIST was taught through out BOUFFUM, what are you talking about....😮

@ChristianDivaRadio

2 ай бұрын

Cause it seems like you didn’t listen 🤷🏾‍♀️… just making stuff up

@shonjackson9395

2 ай бұрын

Elaborate...please

I do believe their wedding ceremonies are only for members of their faith. My former employer invited the staff to the reception. He said we weren't allowed to come to the wedding