I worked with this model for 2 years for leg, hip, cramping muscles, sciatica nerve pain. I had improvement and then relapse. It finally turned out that my hip was necrotic, my femur head was shredded and collapsed. It was a mess. I had a hip replacement. But what I found was that just learning there was a structural issue that could be addressed reduced my pain by 60% because the fear and constant ruminating ceased. I used meditation, breathing, and self-hypnosis to reduce fear further and reframe the surgery from scary to restorative. I had a very successful surgery and needed very little pain meds. I took only Tylenol, did not need narcotics and healed very well. I clearly had the hybrid of primary and secondary pain and I used a hybrid strategy to recover. I am fully active and pain free. Your work provides science based evidence for my experience. Thank you!

@Carolyn-Ojai

Жыл бұрын

Your experience was very helpful to me. I may have hybrid of primary and secondary pain. I’m still looking into all this, feeling hopeful🙌Thank you for sharing!

@curiositycurewithdeb

Жыл бұрын

This is why PRT + a medical assessment are a wonderful team. So fantastic you were able to use these skills for your post surgical experience.

@elizabethk1266

Жыл бұрын

Did LIN Health know that you were a hybrid when you started with their program? I was thinking that the assessment would have tried them. How did that change the approach to this treatment? Or is out the same approach?

@IrishMexican

5 ай бұрын

How did that happen? Femurs don’t typically become “shredded” unless there is some kind of infection or auto immune disease process. Typically, these kind of issues are evident in blood work.

@yesteryearr

4 ай бұрын

This sounds just like me... I think I need to get an Xray. 2 years of pain! 😭

It makes me a bit sad that pain patients are concerned a burden. I remember my mom meeting with a new GP, and he wouldn’t take her on because she had chronic pain. I think the medical system has significantly failed us by not providing these modalities as a cure.

Thanks Yoni & Deb. I’ve been through a million videos on the subject and I’ve found this one particularly informative or perhaps transformative. I think speaking on the subject can really help people. I’ve decided to do some writing about evidence today, or lack thereof. Thank you!

Fantastic presentation. Thank you very much.

Thank you both! That was so informative and encouraging ❤

Fantastic content! Thanks a lot for sharing! Looking forward to do the training. It's a bit expensive for me, living in a developing country. I hope I can find a way, bc there are so many people in need of this treatment where I live.

Hi, great presentation. Is there any chance you could release the power point slides. It'd be a great resource to use with patients.

How do I change the pain?? You guys keep talking but I don't know what you're talking about. Tell me what to do to get rid of my pain. Thank you.

@theseventh5204

2 ай бұрын

Read 'The Way Out' by Alan Gordon

@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523

2 ай бұрын

Tanner Murtagh is a great somatic teacher on KZread. His videos give you details as to what to do, including daily somatic tracking. Reading books written about this can be very helpful too, as theseventh suggested. Gordon's book is great. This video is helpful and informative, though, and the science is fascinating.

Wondering if this could help with tinitus... will try based on the technique in alan's book

@lighthouse1566

8 ай бұрын

I was wondering the same thing, as a person who suffers from tinnitus it would be life changing

Thanks for this presentation! Are there any tips on treating people who experience primary pain and have autism? Would love to hear your opinion!

What does this show us about Pharmaceutical drug trials for "chronic pain" and making drugs that are competely ineffective or even dangerous!

We just need to understand that the pain isn’t the problem it’s our reaction to the pain that is the problem.

power of the mind for poor or traumatized people who fall through the very huge racks in the system WE ARE F___KED

I actually did quickly see that bee in the first black and white picture so what does that suggest in what you’re outlining?

@MigthyDucksz24

7 ай бұрын

Same here. My first instinct was that it is a bee. Then when i started thinking more about it i wasn't quite sure, but my idea was still that it was a bee and that is what it turned out to be. I don't know if that is a good or a bad thing...

What’s with the audio fluctuations

I wish there were something like this for habits.

@EmpoweredTransition

7 ай бұрын

Check out clinical hypnotherapy!

Could you tell me where arthritis comes into this?

@dbuck1964

Жыл бұрын

Arthritis is simply a physical anomaly that many physicians will often correlate to give you a reason for your pain. The whole purpose of this type of training is to unlearn the idea of having pain as a result, necessarily, of a physical abnormality.

Where do I find this program?

@rolfvreijdenberger1639

8 ай бұрын

Read the book by alanngordon: the way out, very simple steps

I now take. Neuro. Mag for thos problem. It crosses the. Blood. Brain barrier and it works. It's called. Magnesium l threonate.

Can the non-pain threats cause back pain?

@user-do1hd5bt5i

5 ай бұрын

Yes. The brain can interpret a danger signal as a threat and would send signals over the pain pathways. In fact, our brains have evolved to alert us to emotional distress through the same pathways they use to tune us into physical injury, and both types of pain can feel equally intense.

@user-do1hd5bt5i

5 ай бұрын

Stillthis pain is real, all pain is real. When you give someone an emotional injury and do an F MRI of the brain and then you give them a physical injury and do F MRI of the brain is the images are the same. Because the danger salience network of the brain activates pain and it can activate pain in relation to a physical injury or it can activate pain in relation to an emotional injury. So, if your boss is micromanaging you, if your spouse is cheating, if your kids are doing drugs. That can cause physical pain because it's activating the exact same danger signal that an injury would. That's how our brains are constructed.

@escapingbenzoozhopehelphea523

2 ай бұрын

@@user-do1hd5bt5i Fascinating science. Thanks for sharing.

Can you help people who have been trying to unlearn pain for almost two years with only a little change?

@djquick

Ай бұрын

Get Alan Gordon’s book ‘A Way Out’. Explains techniques to rewire and become pain free.

Has this been helpful with chronic migraine/chronic headache/new daily persistent headache?

@jenmdawg

8 ай бұрын

Yes. I went from chronic migraines to being able to stop them before they get acute. A few times a year I’ll get one that wipes me out BUT only for a few hours and not for days.

@Hsandov8175

6 ай бұрын

Reading Dr. Sarnos book on back pain has really helped me with chronic pain. It has not completely relieved my symptoms but by educating myself and finally finding a strategy I can follow.

Have you guys had much success treating patients with secondary pain? Thx

@LinHealth

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we absolutely have! We treat both Primary and Secondary pain. While primary pain is pain solely driven by the brain, secondary pain is when the brain-driven pain is secondary to some structural issue, yet there is typically a strong component of brain-driven pain that gets wrapped up in any structural issue. Our coaches and clinical team are well equipped to deal with both primary and secondary pain, and have helped people with both manage their pain and return to their lives!

@sherrybutts5947

Жыл бұрын

This would explain spontaneous remission

@sherrybutts5947

Жыл бұрын

She is right on the money when she talks about examining how words are creating a structure that becomes pain

Would EMDR help wirh this?

I knew it was a bee right away... but I still have this horrible pain all over that I can't figure out!... so you try not to "figure it out"?

U can't tell yourself your not in a dangerous situation if u have been your hole life mine is frim an injury to my spine alongside abuse consequences of my childhood

@johnklahn7720

Жыл бұрын

I believe that there are ways to come out of the fear and to get better. Don't stop looking for what works for you. I hope that you have a great counselor, if not, please consider getting one. I would be remiss if I didn't mention Wim Hof Method breathwork, this most always helps me out of my pain cycle and it helps with anxiety too!

@dbuck1964

Жыл бұрын

@@johnklahn7720 part of the problem with doing a process like Wim Hof method is that it is often done from the state of mind that the anxiety is something real, or that it is, there for a real reason. In that respect it’s just like the theory behind taking a medication. The whole idea of pain reprocessing therapy, even for anxiety, is to learn that it is an incorrect brain signal, and that it is not necessary for your continued survival and development. Once you unlearn it, you don’t need to do anything about it.

@johnklahn7720

10 ай бұрын

That makes sense. thank you! @@dbuck1964

Still, this pain is real, all pain is real. When you give someone an emotional injury and do an F MRI of the brain and then you give them a physical injury and do F MRI of the brain is the images are the same. Because the danger salience network of the brain activates pain and it can activate pain in relation to a physical injury or it can activate pain in relation to an emotional injury. So, if your boss is micromanaging you, if your spouse is cheating, if your kids are doing drugs. That can cause physical pain because it's activating the exact same danger signal that an injury would. That's how our brains are constructed.

What about your cancer can come back .. y’all need to get on the program wirh cancer… how can u see sooo much and still keep missing this is how cancer pathology persists

The nose has a knows

I saw the bee in flowers immediately, but I have a bee phobia. 😅

You just took Dr John Sarnos research and renamed it

@AnneAlready

Ай бұрын

Do you mean Dr Sarno's extensive clinical observations? Ira Rashbaum published one paper with him. Gordon, Schubiner and others have been in a position to advance the research. Dr Sarno's name for the illness turned out not to accurately describe it so it's been redefined several times. Gordon, Schubiner, Lumley and dozens of others have been in the position to advance Sarno and others early clinical observations into published research - and as far as I can tell many give due credit to Dr Sarno at every opportunity.

CRONIC pain-pain that persist for more then 6 months

There is one notable flaw in the study I cannot resist highlighting: the control groups are kind of terrible. They can’t really “control” anything. Ashar et al. told the people in the placebo group that the injections were saline solution, so … yeah, not actually a placebo control there.4 And the usual-care group had the same problem they always do: you can do literally anything to people that’s “unusual,” and it will probably outperform “usual,” and that doesn’t mean it’s effective. Dr. Edzard Ernst called this design “unethical pseudo-science.”5