If you regard animals as moral patients, meaning that their sentience matters morally, then from a utilitarian perspective we should strive to minimize their suffering. Since it has been shown in large scale studies and meta-analyses that a well planned vegan diet is healthful (I refer for one large scale example to the seven dayth adventists), consuming animal products is known to be entirely optional. A superarogatory action does not justify a morally bad action, therefore we have a moral obligation to take the matter seriously. In the UK alone over a billion animals are factory farmed each year. In terms of scale alone this is perhaps the greatest moral emergency of our time in the developed world.

@MagpieR6

18 күн бұрын

and its proven that plants also feel pain

@MLDGM

18 күн бұрын

​@@MagpieR6No they don't. They don't have a nervous system or a brain. And even if they did, it's morally better to be vegan because animal agriculture causes more plants to die to feed the animals. Also, even if plants may or may not feel pain, we do have evidence that animals feel pain, so why subject them to pain just for food when there are plant based alternatives which cause less suffering and pain?

@Arthurnate

18 күн бұрын

​@@MagpieR6it really isn't mate. Read beyond a headline once in a while.

@MagpieR6

18 күн бұрын

@@Arthurnate simply not true

@erickgreen2361

16 күн бұрын

Vegan diets are not healthy. Women losing their periods while on the diet isn't uncommon for example....

love this speciest toffee nosed dunce cap skit❣

hilarious video, this will blow up

It would be a good idea for you to read up on Veganism before discussing it. Veganism was defined by Leslie Cross in 1951: ‘The object of the Vegan Society shall be to end the exploitation of animals by man"; and "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.’ As you can read from this definition: Veganism is not a diet, it's not about reducing suffering or minimizing harm, it's not about human issues, it's not about the climate, health or fitness, it’s not about solving every problem in the world-it’s just about a fair relationship between humans and the rest of the sentient individuals on the planet. It's not about the killing of animals. It’s about NOT USING them. It's about fixing the master/slave relationship between humans and non-humans sentient beings. Essentially being vegan is a mindset: It means rejecting the almost universally socially conditioned idea that non-human animals are slaves or resources for humans to use and exploit. And based on that principle you boycott all forms of animal exploitation. What you should be discussing here is why you view other animals as commodities and why think it's acceptible to violate their reproductive organs, enslave them and otherwise exploit them.

@erickgreen2361

16 күн бұрын

Animal agriculture is essential for human flourishing, the alternatives are very detrimental to not just human flourishment but the flourishment of all life....

The title of the video made me giggle irl

It’s mostly a matter of comfort. When you’re starving or don’t know where your next meal is coming from, you’ll eat just about anything. As human society progresses towards prosperity, we start to consider suffering in a wider array. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Just don’t act morally superior because you have the opportunity to consider veganism an option.

@behemoth5344

18 күн бұрын

But the way we get our food today is not sustainable anymore. In some developing countries there's a higher percentage of people who eat plant-based food than in First World ones.

@Celestina0

18 күн бұрын

I'll act morally superior if i have the option to reduce animal suffering and do so, while you have the option to reduce animal suffering and won't do so.

The philosophy of veganism is more akin to something like communism, where it attempts to unify everything into a single entity, and all decisions made within this entity need to benefit the whole. What is even more interesting within this comparison is that, just like communism, veganism also has a sheer distaste for capitalist ventures and entrepreneurship, which is why they often target farmers. It is also not uncommon for the vegan collective to go after large corporations that mine natural resources, as they detest anything that generates large amounts of wealth. If you pull a vegan aside and ask them what they think about Elon Musk, nine times out of ten, they will give a negative critique. If you speak with people who were vegan for multiple years and then quit, many will talk about how they feel a sort of guilt when going against the grain within the veganism philosophy and how their actions heavily affect the equilibrium of the whole. This is again something distilled into the philosophy of communism, where the individual's needs are overlooked by the needs of the whole. In both philosophies/ideologies, the needs and wants of the individual become secondary compared to the needs of the collective.

Why do you say grace in Latin before eating? Jesus never said it in Latin - he said it in Aramaic. The fact that Catholic tradition says it in Latin is entirely a historical contingency: had the Roman Empire not conquered Britain then the mass would never have been said in Latin. Perhaps then, it makes more sense to either say it in Aramaic, or to just simply say it in your easiest first language? Food for thought! Perhaps a video surrounding this topic would be a good idea?!

FIRST! 🎉 🐟 30. DIET & VEGANISM: PREAMBLE: Even though the term, “vegetarian”, has customarily referred to a human who desists from eating animal flesh, but who may still consume animal by-products such as eggs and milk, here it is used LITERALLY, that is, “one who subsists on vegetation”. One who consumes vegetation, dairy and/or eggs, is properly called a “lacto-vegetarian”, or a “lacto-ovo vegetarian”, respectively. The term “vegan” is not directly related to diet, but to the philosophy of the avoidance of unjustifiably harming animal life. Animal killing is permissible only in the case of hunger, self-defence, or in order to eradicate vermin from one’s dwelling and work places. Obviously, veganism is to be promoted as the ideal way of life. At the risk of nit-picking, both the words “vegetarian” and “vegan”, refer to those humans who subscribe to those two notions, and not to the food products themselves. Even if one was to qualify the term “diet” with the word “vegetarian” (e.g. “I consume a vegetarian diet”), it would not provide a great deal of information, since those who consume a raw fruit diet, as well as those who consume only soda drinks and candy, could both claim to consume a “vegetarian/vegan diet”, and nobody would agree that these two diets are comparable in any significant way! N.B. If you are reading this, it is highly probable that you are familiar with the concept of the “Three Modes of Nature” (“trī-guṇa”, in Sanskrit). If not, it is recommended that you read (or re-read) Chapter 18 of “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity” (“F.I.S.H”) at this point. In any case, those who are, in fact, familiar with the three modes of nature, have an extremely flawed understanding of how they apply to food and diet, particularly if they have studied the ancient Indian texts known collectively as “Ayur Veda” (“The Science of Life/Longevity”). Those persons invariably believe that animal products are categorized in the mode of darkness. However, that assumes that animals are actually human food, which they definitely are not. The system outlined below is, by far, the most accurate, logical, and AUTHORITATIVE method of classifying food, and ought to be followed by anyone who is truly desirous of living a wholesome life. Unfortunately, even most vegetarians and vegans seem to lean towards less-than-ideal diets. Of course, it is morally-preferable to consume a poor plant-based diet rather than eating murdered animals. One of the greatest tragedies is, that throughout history, the vast majority of diets have consisted of dead foodstuffs, and non-human “food”. FOODS IN THE THREE MODES: There are THREE kinds of foods, according to the three “modes”, explicated in Chapter 18 of this “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”: Foods in the mode of PURITY (“sattva guṇa”, in Sanskrit) promote good physical and mental health. The adage “healthy body, healthy mind”, is pertinent to this mode. Such foods include, in approximate order of their importance: fruits (especially if they are tree-ripened), vegetables, nuts, legumes/pulses, grains, roots, flowers, tubers, bulbs, and of course, purified water (or milk, in the case of infants), supplemented with seeds and herbs. To be included in this classification, the food must be living, that is, fresh and raw (or at most, steamed or lightly sautéed, if one is residing in a cold clime). Most animals subsist on living foodstuffs, so to be considered healthy, the food must be both living and natural. As with all herbivorous mammals, humans who consume a pure diet, normally experience a bowel movement after each (substantial) meal. Foods in the mode of PASSION (“rajas guṇa”, in Sanskrit) promote indigestion (or, at least, are more difficult to digest than pure foods) and overly-excite the mind. Such foods are basically the same as above, but with a certain quantity of oil, spices, sweeteners, salt and/or other condiments added. To be included in this category, the plant-based foods may be properly cooked (but not overcooked) and moderately-to-mildly seasoned. Those who consume foods predominately in the mode of passion, normally defecate after breaking their fast (i.e. breakfast). Foods in the mode of DARKNESS (“tamas guṇa”, in Sanskrit) cannot rightly be called “food” at all, and invariably cause digestive upsets, such as constipation or diarrhoea. Such “offal” is either dry, stale, putrid, rancid, decayed, carcinogenic, overcooked (or even worse, burnt), processed beyond recognition, bitter, or the remnants of another’s meal (that is, food that has been leftover by a person who is lower in the hierarchy of society than the person who intends to consume it. For example, it would be offensive for a beggar to offer the remains of his meal to his king, yet the converse would be a rather benevolent act). Again, to be included in this classification, the food is to be of wholly plant or fungal origin. THE IDEAL DIET: Ideally, the bulk (if not ALL) of one’s diet should comprise of minimally-processed raw foods, such as tropical fruits or vegetable salads, the latter of which often consists of fruits anyway, because such foods as tomatoes, cucumbers and olives are, in fact, fruits, since they are seed-bearing foods. If one consumes a very high proportion of raw fruits, it is rarely, if ever, necessary to fast. Fasting is beneficial for those who partake in a diet high in processed and cooked dishes. Fruit-juice fasting is perhaps the best method of fasting, especially for those living a vigorous lifestyle. Unless one is particularly active, eating more than two meals per day is unnecessary. Ideally, cooked and highly-processed foods should be reserved for the final meal of the day, since the process of digestion itself consumes more energy than any other activity. Ideally, one should sit in a comfortable position, and eat one’s meal with a RELAXED mental disposition. Consuming food in an anxious state of mind may cause digestive upsets. If practical, it is suggested that eating with bare hands is more conducive to the enjoyment of one’s meal. In case the reader may be wondering what this author, the current World Teacher, usually consumes, the following is my typical daily meal plan: Upon waking from sleep, I rinse my mouth with a mixture of commercial mouthwash, a drop of clove oil and tea tree oil. Then, I drink at least one cup of purified water, mixed with a couple of vitamin tablets (definitely vitamin B12, and when I am residing in a location that receives little direct sunlight, vitamin D also). After two or three hours, I break my fast with either a bowl of oats, mixed with raw and dried fruits, chia seeds, raw cacao nibs, moringa powder, and sweetened soya drink (inaccurately called “soya milk” by many persons), plus a handful of mixed nuts and seeds, or else, I prepare a large fruit salad (ideally, using as many tropical fruits as can be afforded), plus a variety of nuts and seeds. For my second and final meal of the day, I prepare a mixed salad, invariably consisting of Roma tomatoes, cucumber, lettuce or alfalfa sprouts, raw beetroot, black olives, a gherkin (pickled cucumber), a type of herb (coriander, parsley, oregano, etc.), a teaspoon of ground seeds (sesame, chia, and flax), and dressed with extra-virgin olive oil and apple cider vinegar. The salad is eaten with a cooked dish (I am particularly fond of Indian, Italian, Mexican, Chinese, and Lebanese recipes), plus a side snack like corn chips, and after a while, I consume dessert with soya drink. Cont ..