Great video. Love Dave Moss. He's the real deal. He race tunned my R1's suspension at Buttonwillow many years ago. The difference was nothing less than AMAZING! Night and day difference. My entrance and exit of high speed turns was like being on a monorail. I became almost fearless entering very high speed turns. Love your channel as well.

Bill I installed the Over Suspension because of your video. Thanks for the Dave Moss confirmation on the effectiveness of the part. Dave is the Man!

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Hope you'll notice a difference and enjoy what it offers 🔥

Any chance Dave could adopt me and teach me all these things? Man, I love how he talks. He definitely knows his stuff!!

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Hit up Dave Moss 👀

Great stuff mate, excellent to see Dave’s quality input into this device

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Very glad we got to work with him on this one.

@steverielly

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping he's still planning to test/try one long term on his track bike. I really want to hear him talking through how it feels first hand and long term tyre wear.

The tire wear on my 20 s1000 has the sandy beach on the street so tire compound stress line is not a factor like before and the swing arm is not stressed as before ! This device stabilizes the suspension confidence in the corners run hard on the street!! Thank you for the tire wear analyzation Dave you da man!!

All you motorcyclists in SoCal are so incredibly fortunate to have access to Dave Moss. I was extremely fortunate to get a remote tuning session with Dave last fall. He "dissected" my tire wear and shared a huge amount of information on how to read my tires. The remote tuning sessions are a "lifesaver" for people like me over here in N.H. that are unable to travel. I am enjoying and learning from your content, also just subscribed. Thanks and keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍 Randy

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Dave Moss is the man! We're definitely spoiled having him so close by. Glad he was able to help remotely. Thanks for the subscribe! Means a lot 🙏

@NHlocal

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaliMotoTV 😃👍❤🏍

And how your riding the bike, no denying his brilliance and the wisdom he embodies so damn well, He really helped me a lot, a ton actually. He got my V4, all of them to turn... Much respect to Dave Moss, and thank you so much for your help. Bill, its nice having solid help, and plain simple terms. Im almost healed up from my may 9th wreck, I will be back out in Sept. Neck break sux... fractured C1 and C2 and a few other places on the body as well. This is the longest off track time I have had since 2015, going nuts! Oh, its Jerry Morris, Madman Racing... this is my other account...

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Oh we knew right away it's you. Haha. Heal up my friend! Miss seeing you out there. Come out to let's ride Sept 5th if you can. We'll be there. Bogna still wants to ride that F3 😂

Based on how these tests were affecting the tyre, it looks like this would actually increase tyre wear. When it's set right as it's increasing the tyre contact with the surface.....it occurs to me that's why they say it decreases high sides by 90%, because the tyre is being 'pushed/held' in place to the surface. Will be very interesting to see Daves test on his RSV4.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@lillnemo1

Жыл бұрын

Tire wear is a lot about it slipping over the tarmac. If it's "pushed" down, the wear should reduce

Love this kind of videos

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Amazing. Great video.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

🔥 Thanks for watching 🙏

Hey Bill, saw you at Buttonwillow on 10/11 with the Ducati crew (I came to say hi at the start of the day with the V2). I ended up riding all day (yes in the sandstorm). Had a killer day, no wobbles, and the tire was pretty much even wear across the board, the "sandy beach" all around. Pirelli Rosso Corsa IIs 180/60/17, 28psi cold in the rear, 250lbs with gear on, TTX in the rear professionally dialed in. My Oversuspension is all the way on the - side, so max preload. I tested both extremes on the every day riding scenarios, but not at the track. We are back at Buttonwillow for Thanksgiving weekend so I will try both extremes again, on the track - for the track. For what is worth, not sure if it was mentioned in the video and if I missed it, but there is a total of about 5 full turns lock-to-lock, this might help the viewers understanding "how much" each turn "is", and what percentage it "adds" or "removes" from the preload - min vs max. Besides that, great stuff as usual, I too have to say I would notice a difference while riding. I tested the setup as I mentioned on my every day rides, same day, same road, I would go up and down adjusting it and noticed the max preload works best for me, for my bike on the given road. Lastly, here is the instruction link for anyone needing some more context: cdn.website-editor.net/0fc1aca713a7420ca4a2fc7d12d9d0f7/files/uploaded/Manuale%2520risuonatori%2520STRADALE%2520eng.pdf

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing 🙌

Still using the overSuspension...still happy with it? love ur content ..keep it coming

That was a cool video thank u

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great video Bill! This is the defining video IMHO in terms of questions as to whether the device works, how it works, and what to expect. Well done sir! Props to Dave Moss too for making it easy for us mortals to understand. lol

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely knows how to dumb it down for us mortals haha 😂

Great video!! Thanks. Was kind of looking forward to the slow-mo video of the GoPro aimed downward towards the rear wheel. Did you post it somewhere? Thanks!

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

No it didn't really turn out given it flew off lol

@VincentTL

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaliMotoTV Hahahaha!!!! That’s why I never heard about it again. 😝

Good video.. atleast someone is reviewing this device - How slow was everyone going.. were you in the wrong riding group..?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

It was an open track day.

hi apart from track, is this helps you in the normal ride comfort on the roads ? like road joints and small to medium amplitudes.

Great video! It will be interesting to see some other independent videos of experiences with this product in the future. I'm interested in Dave Moss doing the video set up for my 22 s1000r but when I tried to have the suspension guy at the PIR set it up, he tried said there wasn't anything he could do except for stiffen it up with the 2 rider setting. My question is; will Moss be able to do anything else than the suspension guy at PIR?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

There's manual adjustability for damping on front and rear.

I would have loved to see a few laps without the Oversuspension as a comparison/baseline.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Too much hustle to take it off and on at the track. We turned it all the way down for the baseline measurement.

What tyre is that please?

Stupid question 🙋‍♂️ We didn’t see before tire wear, and yes it does noticeably change. If you never installed and used over suspension did your tires have comparable wear? (With suspension freshly tuned for current conditions.) Great video thanks

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Too much hustle to take it off and on at the track. We turned it all the way down for the baseline measurement.

Does this works also with bikes that have electronic suspensions like the ktm 1290 super adventure S?

I also have an STF V4S, what would you suggest is the optimum setting for this model?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

It will vary by your riding / weight / suspension set up.

Thanks for posting. So every time the track, tire, temperature, and/or suspension changes you will have to calibrate the over suspension?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily... I think Dave was just covering his bases so people don't just throw it on and not adjust those things in the first place then blame him. Now that this bike is setup I won't need to change it much.

@catalystreactionsbw

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply Bill. Look at it this way - you are not a robot so you never ride any two laps identically otherwise you would be in MotoGP :) That being the case, if tyre wear is consistent for some track days and suddenly changes, what else changed? Weather, tyre age and %age used, too many riders on the track at one time, nothing but yellow and red flags all day? Step back several paces and look at a bigger picture and see what factors might have created the tyre wear change.

@dsimon9s29

2 жыл бұрын

@@catalystreactionsbw Lots of good information. Thx

Kind of an old solution to a current problem. The Citroen 2CV had units like these to help the shocks control the suspension.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

👌

Bill, when they recommended a setting, was that based on the stock wheels?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Based on CF wheels.

Dave, the tire whisperer 😂

Question I have a street fighter and wheelie control is set to 7 and it still wheelies any suggestions?? Thank you

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Check your suspension.

Hi Question...honestly..I know it does something!!!BUT!!! Is it feels better than without it???

What happened to the footage from the gopro looking at the tyre?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

GoPro flew off

Bill, what was your final setting of the over suspension? It was very hard to hear you and Dave since there was a lot of wind noise. I'm thinking about buying one for all my 4 motorcycles (2021 RSV4 1100 Factory,2020 Ducati-v4s,2018 Suzuki GSX-R 1000r, and my 2015 R1.

@jonsnow6403

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it was 3 full turns from negative, but that setting only applies to his specific setup. At least that's how I understood it.

@Stan-rf2bn

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsnow6403 was that from full hard and out 3 turns? I'm just use to the terms that are used setting suspension settings.

@jonsnow6403

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stan-rf2bn I am fairly certain that is correct, but I will let Wild Bill confirm.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Full Positive then 3 full turns negative i think its about the middle.

@interlochen318

Жыл бұрын

I set mine in middle .

Bill you were trying to find the words that some people call the Oversuspension. On the forums the guys who never tried it call it snake oil or As seen on TV. LOL They should try it before hating on it.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Truth

These have been around for a good few years now and other than a couple of moto2 teams they aren’t widely used….. this has always lead me to believe they are a gimmick. I can see the theory, Ducati have a device in the bike that does the similar thing and Renault used it in the front suspension when alonso dominated (and it was banned). So it leads me to wonder if it’s something that benefits road bikes more with their softer flexier chassis and tyres. I’m in the UK and our tracks are narrow, none of the BSB teams use them either, again backing this up.

@RaphYkun

2 жыл бұрын

Cars also don't tend to use the edge of their tires the same way. I'd assume some sort of monocompound bike tire would like a lot of oversuspension and not worry about the joint.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

👌

Are you using an auto or fixed suspension setting?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Fixed.

Is this like a tuned mass damper? They used these in F1 back in 2005 i think.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Similar

@Mark-ew8dk

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Renault used something like this and was told to remove it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHtotbqmdMeskso.html

How is it working if it isn't on a fixed location? Where's the resistance? I don't get it

did you ever find that camera?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

Sure it works. Also proofs the point that 99% of buyers would not be able to tell the difference.

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I never done oversuspension yet... Do 959 panigale available?

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

Believe so, hit up belissimoto for fitment info.

they need to pave that track. hope you guys aren't being charged to ride there

👍🏍🏁

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

🎉 🎉 🎉

Was waiting for the tittle worlds first 😂😂😂😂

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

😂

nice longest video ever .interesting

@CaliMotoTV

2 жыл бұрын

👌

For feeling it would've been better to do blind

If you shed a couple of stone, your tyre would look better.