I love how Freddie's right hand is just always in the throttle screwdriver orientation, even just gesturing in conversation. It's like it's been permanently embedded in his DNA.

Genius. I've been watching motorcycle racing for 55 years. and Freddie is up there with the best of 'em

Thanks for the clarification on braking technique. This is the best way to correct misinformation.

The best line "it doesn't matter what your uncle did @ 35mph in a 55mph corner". Paraphrasing of course.👍

Thank you for including the shot of that 500 with the pipes exposed. Holy shit! Just look at that thing! Pardon my ignorance, where's the fuel tank?

@legionmoto

Жыл бұрын

The bottom. That massive aluminum bottom is the fuel tank.

@travisray139

Жыл бұрын

@@legionmoto Ha! I suppose it would have to be!

@williamfacenda7057

Жыл бұрын

I read that misinformation somewhere and tried it and ... surprise !couldn't make it work !😂 I went to your school and you guys cleared that right up .

Right on. Case closed.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We sure hope so!

This just sad, to actually have to reply to this type of stuff, sheesh. Fast Freddie will always be my first and foremost idolized rider. The whole reason I got my first streetbike, a silver 1980 Honda CB400T, was seeing pictures and articles in the Motorcycle magazines at that time, of the CB750F Superbike and Freddie racing it. It was undying love from then on, rain or shine lol.

We shorten and lengthen the motorcycle with the front brake not just stop it. Love the geometry changes when you can do it at the right times.

Awesume Let's bust that myth! No one fast has survived that technic.. no one lol..

Old school traction control. In motocross especially in the 125 days, I’d use the rear brake and clutch as a control in corners.

I am not in the US so I cant attend the YCRS. But years ago I watched nicks videos and bought his book, there is a very good chance his videos saved my life.

Seriously, it's legitimately worrying that you have to actually explain why this wouldn't work and shouldn't be done 😳

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Worse: people are taught it as a "good technique!"

@6arethevan5

Жыл бұрын

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs unbelievable 🤦🏼‍♂️ well if you guys keep doing what you're doing then that's gotta help 👍🏻👍🏻

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

It blows me away when we explain that the technique is based on a misunderstanding some people will stll go to great lengths to defend the bad practice.

@MICHAEL-ys3pu

Жыл бұрын

Don’t stop the fools, let them crash.

@ihateeverything3972

Жыл бұрын

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Riders need to listen to their bikes more than advice. I love good advice, a wise rider's words will put you on the fast track when you're learning. Still, you gotta go and learn for yourself. It's almost like nobody can teach you, just point you in the right direction to learn. Often it's like the advice is lost in translation. Go ride, go talk with your bike and the road about it, and it'll make sense. The puzzle pieces will fit. But yeah, at the end of the day the relationship is between a rider and his bike, and the pavement they negotiate.

What's most concerning to me is that once it is in print, that misquote will have a life if it's own. It would be excellent to have the quote removed!!! Keep teaching us the right way. We appreciate it!

Finally!! I find out how to pronounce Nick's last name!! lol... Great confirming advice from Fast Freddy! Thanks. And same with Nick re using rr brake in street "normal" riding as front won't load up enough. :-)

Always awesome hearing it from the pros. One of my scariest riding moments was going on the brakes into turn 11 of Circuit of the Americas and accidentally keeping some throttle open. Luckily, there's plenty of runoff in that area, I definitely had to use a lot of it.

@Nonicknameleftforme

Жыл бұрын

Every interesting video on motorbikes I see, Cuban Rider is there! :) I have been watching you and you are on hell of a rider, Sir!

@CubanRider

Жыл бұрын

@@Nonicknameleftforme trying to learn!

@Nonicknameleftforme

Жыл бұрын

@@CubanRider I know what you mean. I try to learn from the best too. I really like MotoVoodoo with Simon Crafar, than Sylvain Guintolis channel and than Alberto Naska. These three have great videos on track riding. I have been watching quite a lot of your videos and you are very good, but I think you are risking too much on public roads. You are very good, but puboic roads are absolutely unpredictable and I had a crash on spilled oil and a two years after that I gave up street riding completely. Too much traffic in Europe and with every bike now a days you are going in criminal territory and almost every crash is life threatening. Take it only as an advice from me. I wish you the best and keep it safe. 😉 Best wishes from Czech republic.

@ihateeverything3972

Жыл бұрын

@@CubanRider Never stop learning, you're a hell of a rider already man

@js290

Жыл бұрын

Ienatsch's book talks about "maintenance throttle"... observe King Kenny kzread.info/dash/bejne/ipyfvMetc9zHftY.html

The only reason to use the front break while on the throttle is if you are stunting and doing a rolling burnout. Only reason.

Well said..... I have gone through the ChampU online course a few times and plan to go through many more times. The information you both just shared and all the information in the ChampU course has been a huge help! I am just beginning to learn how to properly ride a motorcycle and never cease to be amazed at how well my bike performs/handles when I use "proper" technique. I am experiencing tiny little glimpses of what I see the SBK, MotoGP, and Moto America on the track when I do get the technique correct. Thank you Nick, Freddie and the whole YCRS crew for all the great information you are giving out to us "mere mortals" on motorcycles. Keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍 Randy

I remember reading that in what seemed to be a widely respected book. Sounded weird to me. I tried it but quickly abandoned it when I heard Nick say the opposite. I greatly appreciate this clarification!

Rear brake and throttle Maybe. If you need to tighten up your corners and you don't want to waste the time of shutting down the throttle and turning it back to maintenance or just finding that spot again and you need to tighten up the corner rear brake but their front brake I mean that's just asking for your front tire to slide the geometry that gives a traction wouldn't work That in the rear brake is quicker to respond than the throttle

Just realised i do that on the street. Break and drive at the same time. Never done a track day and have only been riding for a year. I really should pay more attention to my inputs cause i want to be riding for as long as i can.

It's great to listen to these geniuses of motorcycle racing explaining things of motorcycle riding

Great information from the best. Isn’t that who we should be paying attention to? The best in the business. Well said guys. Thanks again for sharing this wonderful information with us all. 😎

Great information as always....now all we need is for the right people to see this. Thanks for the world class information....good to see Freddie he looks great.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We've been extremely happy to have him back at the school for the last few months!

Use to watch these guys as a kid in the 80's racing their 2t's to the max. Next week, we'll be out on the dirt track and think we riding GP bikes ha ha ha ha. Anybody that use a front brake under throttle obviously havent ridden an mx bike on loose dirt...you'll do it once and once only.

Thank you. This is gold and needs to be kept for future reference, if not part of the curriculum itself.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We've started integrating it into the curriculum just to keep things crystal clear for our students!

Wow!!!! Thanks Nick to help me with my riding. I appreciate it !

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Any time!

Amazing content gentlemen...priceless lessons!

Great interview! The best thing I've done in terms of rider skill and safety was to take the online Champ School. I learned so much and it has transformed my riding completely. One of the best feelings when trail braking is feeling the front wheel bite into the pavement and the bike turning in...all it takes is 5%.

@CurtisBrandt

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Online Champ U changed my riding too. Big benefits. Extreme clarity.

I went through a very special private three day clinic with you both and Nick and Freddie and David Aldana ( real bad ass)i have you as my Willow Springs new rider school teach with Freddies skill and Nicks ability to articulate it into a curriculum was amazing . Freddie taught and was very specific, trail braking technique and he finalized the lesson wit you on the back of his 800,so hes jabber jawing flying into a corner knee on pavement showing you how to increase lean and lean tighten your line with the front brake insane it was like doing a weekend football clinic with Tom Brady

Similar to what Freddie said at the GP level, unique problems to extract the final few tenths of lap time require unique techniques. Casey Stoner while on the Ducati 800, has said there was a point in some corners where he would have throttle open partially with the front and rear brake on some percentage, both tires sliding and spinning. But this was an instant within certain corners to overcome the Ducati's problems. Not to mention he has so much more talent than most riders. GP level riders see bikes differently than mortals

@js290

Жыл бұрын

Stoner adapted to his equipment and was about reducing risk... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqGDw6Wkn6y2gbQ.html

Hold the front brake on the gas and you do donuts. I can see how the 2 cycle power band would need some smoothing out, especially out of a corner or on a slick track. I had a 3 cyl. Kawi that when the power band came on it wanted to go down. 3 times on a frosty October morning. Subscribed!

This is really a thing people do? and tell others to do? Wow. This shots of the old NSR. Damn...

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

"Insane," isn't it?

I've only heard of dragging the brake while accelerating with the rear, that's to keep the front down and is mostly applicable from a launch that's where the front would come up violently enough to warrant dragging the rear. That's advice from Guy Martin

NICE to see my buddy Nick and Freddie back together again!! And listening to Freddie talking about how he controlled rear wheel spinning by applying the rear brake under acceleration reminds me of how much NICK used the rear brake to do the exact same thing during out AMA 250 GP days - it got to the point where he would go through an entire set of rear pads by the end of the race - we couldn't even run the morning warmup AND the race on the same set - I generally had to replace the rear brake rotor after every race from so much abuse- I originally thought he was just unknowingly dragging his foot on the brake petal until he finally explained why - I used to do the exact same thing on my TZ750 back in the day, although I mostly used it to keep the thing from flipping over backwards at 150 mph

@conspiracytherapist2473

Жыл бұрын

To bad some amateur screwed your career into the ground at Laguna Seca Rolling the wrong way up the straight. You were a rocket ship.

@stevebigansky9372

Жыл бұрын

@@conspiracytherapist2473 thanks- not many people remember that day - I consider myself to still be alive and kicking after that episode, but basically I was only riding 250's for some fun because I had already ended my full time racing career after getting receiving my long sot after AMA national number (45) in '82 while riding that crazy fast TZ750- (4 top ten finishes with a best finish of 7th at Rosd America), but yea, I totally agree, that was DEFINITELY a bonehead move on his part- by the way, the "AMATEUR'" was Mark Smith

@ducatimale

Жыл бұрын

What? Couldn't you just have algorithmed the electronics to make the rear wheel spin just that right amount? 😇 (The kids today are of course talented and skilled the same way the old champs were, but racing back-when was more fun to watch!)

@stevebigansky9372

Жыл бұрын

@@ducatimale I WISH that i had (not really) traction control on my TZ750- But thankfully I didn't because you BETTER learn throttle control otherwise you'll end up visiting the ER on a regular basis- I STILL remember my very first practice session on that BEAST- a little over 300 lbs and 140+ hp - it took me almost a YEAR to figure out how to ride it -

Nick, love the old Freddie School jacket..... Great discussion. Man that 500 GP 2 stroke just sounds evil.

When I first misunderstood trail braking, this is what I believed. As I watched more videos by you and others I realized that I was wrong to do both at the same time. I also don't ride fast enough in corners to trail brake most of the time. Thanks for the great video.

@TravisTerrell

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's where I screwed up, with continuously slowing down too much. Duh, braking will slow the bike. One can still just "turn on" the brake light to be prepared for the unexpected, but the bike will still slow down simply from being leaned.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

"don't ride fast enough in corners to trail brake most of the time." Remember that we don't need to go fast to benefit from weight forward, suspension moving, and contact patch getting bigger. We can simply carry whatever speed we're comfortable with a little further into the corner or go in a gear too high to reduce engine braking.

@mannyechaluce3814

Жыл бұрын

trail braking is like knee dragging and that super loud exhaust :D For Race use only :D in the streets, ride like a motorcycle cop instead not like Valentino

@KodiakCO

Жыл бұрын

@mannyechaluce3814 From what I've learned so far, I believe you misunderstand trail braking, it's uses and that it is a tool to be used as necessary. I am still very much a novice at proper motorcycle riding but I'm getting there.

@cody-2536

Жыл бұрын

​@@mannyechaluce3814 Trail braking is nothing like knee dragging, and super loud exhaust? You do realize a lot of tracks have noise restrictions correct? What makes more sense? Going into the corner already slightly on the front brake, and if an 'oh shit' moment happens, all you have to do is pull more front brake? Or be completely unprepared for that 'ohshit' moment, and end up stabbing the front brake, resulting in the front tire losing traction and you ending up low siding?

Great video... I used to ride and race 250cc and 350cc 2 strokes and although they were not 500cc brutal both bikes needed to be ridden differently.. The 250cc was on proper race tyres and the 350cc LC was a glorified production bike (TTF2 spec engine with about 75bhp so similar power to the 250, but not how they produced power or how the chassis needed to work). The 250 was all about corner speed and using the grip from the front tyre. The 350 had less grip so it was more about squaring the corner off and keeping it upright. The thing you quickly learn is if you are on the throttle at all when braking the fork is extended much more and it makes the front become very stiff and the bike will understeer. I learned this very quickly going from the 1/4 turn throttle on the 250 to the production bike throttle with much more travel and did hit the brake while the throttle was closing but not closed. That was one of the things that made going from one bike to the next horrible if you entered both bikes at a meeting. Trail braking into a corner is an odd one for me as it all seems to be based on feel and the actual corner as one corner is different to another. I will carry the brake deeper into a slower corner to load the front to help it turn in better and faster ones you still carry the brake into the corner but not so hard to make the bike unstable or want to tuck into the corner more. So faster corners do seem to use a little more rear brake in the way in as it keeps the bike stable and the front rebounds a little slower as you come off the front brake too. This may be imaginary but it was the only way I could feel the bike was in control fully. The rear brake thing... Now I keep hearing people talk about never using the rear brake.. The 250cc bike pretty much never used it, on corner exit, on a dry track as the bike had so much more grip and my level of riding was not world class. The 350cc bike was very different, it had more torque and over 2000rpm less rev range it hit hard enough to break traction at the rear in the lower, first 3 gears, and needed a different way of riding it. I had to brake late but turn in later and harder to make the corner but the bike was on its side for less of the time and you would be on the fatter part of the tyre for longer. In slow corners it would lose grip and slide so you had two choices, One was use the rear brake as soon as you open the throttle which was fine for 3rd gear and up or know it was going to slide and then try to control the wheel spin with the rear brake. I spent a lot of time on an old Kawasaki KX100 at the local sand track learning to slide and that has still stuck with me today 30+ years later. My R1 runs a small ISR rear brake caliper which is not powerful but has a lot of feel and the only time I miss a bit more power is over crests (Cadwell Park Mountain for one) or on the road when the front wheel will float for longer before coming down again. The extra torque of the R1 does benefit from rear brake control more than most think.

A few years back I bought a beautiful, but wrecked, K6 GSXR1000 from a squid who admitted that he had grabbed the front brake while accelerating. I repaired the damage, all cosmetic, and rode if for a few years and sold it. I regret selling it now!

Super advice, and so interesting :)

I was extremely confused when I first read that misquote. It didn't make sense to me. Glad to have the man himself clarify!

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We thought it was pretty important for Freddie to clear it up himself.

@93lethanh

Жыл бұрын

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Thanks for your efforts in improving rider knowledge! I've been recommending ChampU to riders I meet.

@CajunGreenMan

Жыл бұрын

What book is the miss quote in, so I know to avoid it?

@sgriffiths1448

Жыл бұрын

@@CajunGreenMan Id just remember its a misquote and skip the info on trail braking if you have the book or come across it. There is good info on suspension setup/troubleshooting- from memory written by Erik Buell. If you have any books you may already have it. The authors name and book wasnt mentioned on purpose so Im not about to

Looking good Mr. Spencer. last time I saw you was at Laguna Seca back in the very early 80's.

I'm sure someone will always find a way to twist and misunderstand things! Like a serious bad case of "I Can Explain It To You But I Can't Understand It For You" 😅 And how time flies, we are at the tail end of 2022, how long has braking misinformation floating around!?

I accidentally cracked the throttle while hard braking for T1 at Chuckwalla recently, and it was an unpleasant experience. I'd never do it intentionally, that's for sure.

@jeffbarnard348

Жыл бұрын

I broke my hand doing that

@travisray139

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffbarnard348 What happened? Felt mine pushing strangely as I was tipping in, beginning to trail brake and noticed something on the dash panel blink- TC or ABS and then realized the throttle was barely cracked open. Spent the rest of the day trying to pinpoint why my hand/arm/grip was sometimes letting this happen. Still need to work on it til I know 100% it won't happen any more. New bike, so could be just some little thing I'm doing on it that's been different than my other bikes.

@jeffbarnard348

Жыл бұрын

@@travisray139 I locked the front and went down hard! I think I didn't roll off completely, maybe got lazy, brain fart, gloves were catching throttle, I'm not exactly sure. It hasn't happened since. I try to be more precise when rolling off and going to the brakes, making sure my wrist is in the correct position

@CanyonChasers

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I've done this accidentally a few times myself. The bike doesn't want to slow down and it doesn't want to turn. Its a pretty miserable experiene!

the only time you want to use the throttle and brake at the same time... doing a burnout 😄

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

YES.

As fast as your street bike is, or think it is. Its nothing compared to a multi cylinder high rpm two stroke, with a narrow rpm peck torque range. Back in the 70's, I had large bore 2 stroke motocross bikes, with the same problem. When it hits the pipe you better have control and have it in the general direction you wanted to go. Keeping it up there and riding was challenging, fun and dangerous. I remember reading about Freddie and Kenny Roberts. Want to read a good story. Read about Kenny shoehorning a TZ750 multi cylinder 2 stroke from his GP bike, into his flat track bike. I still have that bike magazine with that article in it. As skilled as he was. He said they dont pay him enough to ride that thing. One race he had a bad start and ended up last, and came back to win the race. Having twice the HP as everybody else, It was nothing but trying to control the wheel spin. The bike was later banned.

Great video Well done 👏

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Very articulate explanation

Wow!! Two classic guys together!

My friends dad was saying the same thing and was adamant about using the front brake on the gas out of a turn. He maybe friends with the other guy.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Send this video to him!

Thanks Nick, you're the Man Freddy

You can do it on a dirt bike ,on wet grass, to get the feeling for when you're just about to hit the deck from braking too hard. It's an interesting exercise. Just love hearing the masters of the 2-strokes describing their tricks and skills in tameing those vicious (and beautiful) bikes. Thanks!!

Old school here, Spencer is the real deal, if he gives you any advice!!! Don't just listen, write it down.

A lifetime of experience. Two lives. Saw thousands of riders. A fella can get a real education at night, and practice in the day. Wish I’d had this as a kid, but glad I have it now. Thanks and mad respect.

Idk boys…there’s a gentleman on KZread touring the US & Uk who claims it’s a great idea to use both front brake AND throttle simultaneously….how many GPs have you won? ….oh….wait

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment right here. We base our entire curriculum on Best Practices. Instead of asking a popular person what they're doing on the bike, we talk to and try to emulate the best riders in the world. We figure a 3x World Champ (who won two classes in the same season!) is a pretty good place to start.

Go to the school in person! Check out the site for tracks and times...YOU WONT REGRET IT!

I had the privilege and pleasure of spending time (Edinburgh) with this kind, nice and enthusiastic man. Strangely, Ron Haslam, Troy Bayliss say the same, consistency is King.

I use the gas and front brake in the morning just to warm my brakes up; much better feel with warm brakes on my FZ1.

Next year is 40 year anniversary 🦾🏍️🏁👊🏼

I experimented with front break and throttle thinking I was smart. I wasn't.

This is very important. The faster you can go, the more people will love and admire you. Do it right and you might never pay for another meal. Unless you want to. And then you can pay for everybody. It's a win/win really. That's why you'll see some of the better racers chunk up in their golden years. It's an undeniable mark of excellence.

Could you do an episode on the similarities (and differences) in performance riding on adventure and dirt bikes, vs street/racing bikes?

I know others that use the rear brake trick to smooth things out but never front brake. These types of messages have to be done, so good job guys.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We wish we didn't have to make this sort of myth-busting video, but we saw the need for it!

Great to see Freddie, big fan fro Oz

I couldn't believe what I am hearing.... That is way more than misquoted.... That's happening because media has not a clue of how to ride a bike. Shame.

Im sending this to my friends dad. Case closed. Mic drop!

Freddie and Nick, why are these new kids sticking their legs out right before the turn? Never remember seeing you guys do this!!

So many people I discuss this with and the confused looks I get! As in just how useful and how much I use my rear brake. I’ve recently taught my wife to ride, and she is so smooth and controlled, and hardly touches the front brake.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

"and hardly touches the front brake." This is a big red flag for us. We want to MASTER the front brake before we really use the rear. As we brake, weight transfers forward - meaning we have more grip available for braking with the front tire and front brake.

@TheRiderGuider

Жыл бұрын

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs think we're on a different page, it's a figure of speech when I say "hardly", I'm talking about as a percentage of pressure, not 'not at all' and I'm talking about general road use not short circuit stuff (maybe I should have clarified that), the front was/is MASTERED ... however in every day control of the bike, coming up to junctions, reading the road and traffic behaviour, I'm sure you'd agree there's no need in these situations for massive dive of the forks or the latest braking point. If she was on a track of course we're talking different slowing techniques. I've been in many discussions and the mindset is that front brake is everything, certainly in race conditions yes, but mastering road craft is a different beast, and so many people are not mastering the smooth balanced (along with the front) use of the rear brake for normal everyday riding. No red flag required guys, she can pull up damn quickly when required and won't be joining a race school 😊

That 2-stroke peak was what made the first Kawasaki 500 and 350 triples so totally "fun" to ride. For a normal road bike, the way they were tuned was just insane.

"This is not a 'majority rules' sport.." I love that comment. Way too many armchair experts who think that in this day and age you must be right if you have more 'likes'. There are times when you need to put your preconceived notions away and listen to the people who have the experience, expertise and unbiased knowledge who are trying to pass that along to the new riders. This is one of those times.

Thank you for this. Maybe we can finally put this "Brottle" BS to rest. Now to take on the garbage "counter-lean" that's taken off recently.

@GMak81

Жыл бұрын

Counter lean? That's new to me, I'll have to investigate. As for brottle, whatever happened to common sense? Do people who ride bikes really have no clue about basic riding techniques, or the physics of how a bike works? Wow. Shocking.

@BlindIo42

Жыл бұрын

@@GMak81 You can thank FortNine for the counter-lean idea.

@beepbop6697

Жыл бұрын

​@@BlindIo42 lol, yep. Everyone came out with a counter video on that one.

I heard that Hailwood bet a couple of guys he could hold the throttle wide open through a TT corner that everyone that was human had to shut the throttle. He later went through the corner with it pinned but still used the brakes and went to collect his winnings directly.:)

I think Freddy missed to say that the rear brake was used to stop the rear wheel from just spinning or a method to control the spin. When a 2-stroke goes "on the pipe" or better to say when the exhaust chambers come into resonance the power might increase from 100 to 200 horses in the blink of an eye because those things are in resonance or they are not, it's like a switch and completely unknown to a 4-sroke.

@Grahamvfr

Жыл бұрын

Yea he sort of did at 2 to 2.30 mins.

I wonder if the guy who miss quoted Freddie uses this "technique ". Lol. Not for long im sure!

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

We're not sure, but he put it in a book!

It's so hard to believe this actually is something that needs to be talked about 😂😂😂

@r1learner178

Жыл бұрын

Amazing really.

@GMak81

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, the lack of common sense and ability to think critically in some people is truly baffling.

These guys advise against using aggressive throttle while using the front brake, which makes total sense to me. Motojitsu, who often references champ school, recommends using maintenance throttle of about 1 to 2 percent to hold speed as needed while trail braking, which also makes sense to me. I'm confused.

I’ve never heard of this BROTTLE ridiculousness, but as I’ve been riding all my life starting on dirt bikes at a young age, it is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, counterproductive and frankly dangerous! You never use the front brake whilst accelerating hard. What’s next? Is someone gonna try and claim that Freddie says whisky throttle is a good technique 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤣🤣

perfect!

Champ school only school

Still a little confused. It almost sounds like "never touch the front brake while the throttle is open at all". But then, at the end, it seems like there could (maybe should?) be some overlap as you're _closing_ the throttle (which initiates engine braking, even before it's completely closed). I'm also under the impression that it's recommended to rev match on downshifts while braking - which would mean opening the throttle while braking. Hoping someone can clear this up for me. I haven't ridden for 9+ years, got another bike recently and am trying to figure this stuff out again. Thanks.

Total Control by Lee Parks, Chapter 9, Throttle Control: "The Spencer method of throttle control mandates rolling off the throttle very slowly while simultaneously applying the brakes during corner entry". Page 65. It doesn't specify front or rear though. On page 64 there's also a graph showing overlapping of both brakes and throttle.

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

Yes - that's the misquote Freddie is referring to in this video.

@lefterisbampaidis5446

Жыл бұрын

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs so rear only is ok?

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

Жыл бұрын

@@lefterisbampaidis5446 We *can* run a little rear brake against the throttle - but we have to first ask ourselves: "what am I trying to accomplish?" Reducing a wheelie? Sure. Reducing wheel slip on a bike with no traction control, while riding in the rain? Sure. But as an everyday, every-situation practice, not ideal.

Your telling me i have to let go of the front brake? No wonder i can't get out of the garage.

There still seems to be confusion on trail braking. You are still maintaining maintenance throttle just not accelerating. Because you have very light front brake pressure

what about whilst decelerating before the throttle is 100% close , but u already start to add front brake pressure ?

Use the front brake with the throttle: To do a burn-out! OR To practice your balance and front braking on the dirt at slow speeds with both tires slipping. I tell my fiends who want to ride on the street that they must be able to do this.

I thought I’d read Casey Stoner was using front brake and throttle to load the front tire but that’s beyond anyone watching KZread for pointers.

Sometimes I'm not going 55 on a 55mph turn. Sometimes I'm only going 45mph and there is plenty to y of room on the turn so I just let off the brakes and roll through the turn. Is that the same as going to throttle too soon?

I can remember a few years ago the MCN Mostly Crap n Nonsense........ Sorry motorcycle news (UK) ran an article regarding the Prima Donna (46) would dampen out the vibrations on the Yamaha by leaving the throttle open and applying the front brake, supposedly like holding the tangs of a tuning fork..... If it's true or not, I don't know. But Innovation takes place with the riders as well as technology, they've gone from sat up right in corners, to hanging off, to knee down and elbow down. .......the only time I did all of those, I got my arse down as well...... (I fell off). It does amaze me, the amount of "real bikers" who "never touch the rear brake" ....... riding on the road!!

WOW is that Freddie that makes me feel very old..

"Brottle" lmao. I mean, do riders not immediately feel how much the bike hates that?

I use / drag front brake and Steady power to make front tire grip better - I mostly use on Bicycles - it works when done properly - I did not read about this I discovered in practice - not sure but think it increases tire contact patch - just sayn

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

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It does not. You're giving the bicycle (or motorcycle) conflicting signals and preventing the suspension from transferring weight, thus fighting the engineering.

@CanyonChasers

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This is something you can get away with at slow speeds or when we have lots of grip. Remember, grip comes from weight, so in order to get grip from the front tire we need to allow the weight to shift to the front and before we can accelerate we need to allow the weight to shift to the rear. If a technique doesn't work when the speed comes up or the grip goes down, it's not a technique that I recommend to anyone.

I thought that was how you "back it in"?

Breaking while throttle is open ? Good way to end up on the pavement.

Cheers

Riders ask me why I use the rear brake coming out of corners. Next time I will tell them to ask " Fast" Freddie. 😎

@literal_lee

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You ride a two-stroke racebike ? How cool, dude 😎

Two strokes sound good

Did this idea come from the car world, because the boy racers do something similar on manual stick shift called 'left-foot braking' (where the accelerator and brake are simultaneously controlled with the left foot)?

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

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We're not sure, but we don't know any car racers (good ones, at any rate) that run throttle against the brakes.

@ATEC101

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So what is the right foot doing? Seriously, though, left foot braking is exactly what it says. Braking with the left while still using the right on the throttle. Go watch a video of Ayrton Senna's feet. Gokarters do this all the time. It is mostly used to balance grip from front to rear. I only use this on one corner of my local club circuit so I can get back to full throttle quicker on corner exit. Old turbo cars that had a lot of lag made this mandatory in F1. Nelson Piquet in the Brabham BT52 (1200+HP) use to time his application so on corner exit he would be at full boost. By the way, these guys are multiple world champions, not 'boy racers'.

I need to go look up what trail breaking actually is again now. it’s just easing off the brake as you lean on the throttle no? Or it’s…easing off the brake as you begin to lean the bike? Fook it like I said I need a reminder although I will say in my defense and idk if this is weird or not but I realized a long time ago I naturally trail break. I’m sure I could improve with conscious practicing of it but is it weird that I instinctively do it? I know that sounds weird when I cans even define it, but most people can’t define countersteering but they do it intuitively regardless. Last time I looked up trail breaking with motojitsu i found I already do it. I feel like the “never brake while turning” was just bad advice to idiot proof a msf course

@Ridelikeachampionycrs

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In a nutshell, trailbraking is simply (smoothly) releasing brake pressure as we add lean angle. It's a super simple concept that people have felt the need to over-complicate for books and videos.

@Fee.1

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@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Ah yes see that seems insanely obvious to me, the alternative being…just rapidly let go of the Brake and upset the bike. Thanks

It is when you run 60 tooth sprocket use brake and thottle to drift .Just no brake Throttle wheelie. Faster on the street most of the time in the city because people block the cops for you when you stunt. When's the last time you rode a bike on the street Me Fast?

He was never a 'MotoGP world champ' but he was/is brilliant.

@CanyonChasers

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Technicall this is true, but MotoGP is just the new name for 500 GP.

Yeh, the only time you want the throttle on and front brake on, is, anyone, yeh, only, when you are doing a burn out. I'd rather trust Fast Freddie etc on how to do something proper with/on a bike, than uncle bob. Unless uncle bob is a national or world champ.