Why I believe Oscar Pistorius is lying: 1)If there's a burglar in a house the first thing anyone would instinctively do is to check what damage has been done. . .did he break the window, did he open the ceiling, are the children there, is the wife there... that is the first thing a person does. So his lame duck excuse that he forgot to check whether Reeva was in bed, but willing to shoot a burglar is absolute nonsense. What if the burglar was with Reeva... using her for a human shield? There is NOBODY on the face of the planet who would start dealing with a burglar until they know what lives are at stake. Secondly, why did he NOT call for her? Again, any normal human being would, irrespective of the amount of fear, call out to ascertain the identity of the person before shooting. What if it was a prank? What if they were planning a surprise dinner, and the bathroom was filled with his friends and family? (It was Valentines day, after all) Oscar is lying... Oscar is lying... Oscar is lying.

I reckon he struck the door before the shooting. My guess is that she had locked herself in the bathroom after a domestic which left her in fear of him. He wanted her to come out, so he started beating on the door with the bat. She screamed. He shot her through the door.

How unbelievable, bordering on surreal, it is that the witness himself is making what amount to legal argument/objections to questions that the prosecutor himself should be making?! Vermeulen is asked about whether a man on stumps would lose balance etc., which he clearly is not competent to provide any opinion on. But rather than the prosecutor objecting to the line of questioning, the witness himself has to!! And the objection is accepted by Roux, so evidently it was a valid one. Thank god some of these witnesses are brighter than the lawyers.

@stmounts

10 жыл бұрын

Whatever made you think that lawyers are bright?

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

stmounts oh come on, of course they're bright, they know how to stretch something into days instead of hours. Each hour is payment...lol

@stephenbrooke5860

10 жыл бұрын

stmounts You're right. Absolutely nothing.

@cherrainemcleod8883

10 жыл бұрын

I also noticed that the witness was objecting to the line of questioning. To deal with that lawyer Roux, you need to be your own lawyer. However the prosecutor is not objecting enough. Agreed

ok here is my take on this, Reeva took his legs and phones into the bathroom because she was pissed off at him, he in turn raged when she did this and being adept at moving on his stumps all his life just grabbed the cricket bat & tried to get in the bathroom & failed so he got his gun and fired killer her, then got his legs, put them back on and called security, hung up & tried to figure out what he was going to do! just ma amateur sleuth thoughts

@loneranger734

10 жыл бұрын

fair assumption

The difference between SA and US courtrooms is that most witnesses are not asked to tell a story. They are asked to answer with 'Yes' or 'No' responses for the most part.

If they made a movie Roux would be that guy that played Hannibal lectur and Oscar Pistorious would be the guy in the new robocop movie..mylady could probably be whoopi goldberg if she lost 100lbs..

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

Wrong on one part - Mr Roux would be the cartoon character Mr Magoo

Oh my word! I don't know!! I'm 2 min into the video and already, Im aggitated! Mr Vermeulen is a very intelligent and highly competent witness .... WHY? ! is Mr Roux trying to make him seem incompetent! ? Okay... I know this the nature of defense and he is there to prove inconsistencies etc etc... but my goodness. ... what a arse... He is irritating the shit out of me! urgh

@Tessietots

10 жыл бұрын

Oh my Gosh!!! Mr Roux is meant to be highly intelligent! he cannot understand the simplest of things. He is dense... seriously... I know he is meant to pull things apart etc... but ..... he is so very irritating... nag nag nag! grrrrrrrrrrr

@Tessietots

10 жыл бұрын

Theresa Coss I must be pre mentral or something because Mr Roux is really getting on my nerves. Fair play to Mr Vermuelen... for being so patient. FFS!!

@Tessietots

10 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. I would want to murder him.. LOL.. his tone and condescending ways would drive me mad.. especially his nagging and whining!! .. geez

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri LOL

@charlenemacaskill3068

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri Haha! This totally cracked me up!!

did OP actually open that door by hitting it?? btw i really like this Vermeulen. :)

there we go again my lady

If Oscar was a bed-ridden patient who had been attacked many times and was living in constant fear; his statement would still be questionable. But now Oscar is a world-class athlete, he has agility and speed, he has power and strength, and despite his disabilities, he has built enough confidence to compete on the world stage. How then does he suddenly assume the role of a highly-pregnant mother of 10 babies to crawl over to the bathroom floor and start shooting out of "child-like fear"? And four bullets? I don't buy any of this. I can see the judge kinda likes Roux. . . I pray it has nothing to do with the verdict!

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, it would appear the judge has a soft spot for Mr Roux. Maybe they have worked together before.

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

maybe in SA burglars enter your home in two's, which means Mr Pistorius would need to act first and think later. I'm not covering for him because I too question his story, especially why he did not wake his supposed sleeping girlfriend to warn her of his perceived pending danger

@barbarataylor8448

10 жыл бұрын

I think not having his legs on suggests that he was chasing Reeva, not going to confront a burglar. If I feared for my life, I would minimize my disadvantage before exposing myself to the danger. But OP wouldn't have feared Reeva and could probably move much faster on his stumps that we imagine, having been that way since he was 11 months old.

@Bump688

10 жыл бұрын

Barbara Taylor Very good point Barbara

Vir my staan hy nou net bekend as Oscar Pistool- lus. Guilty as charged Oscar!!!! on all charges. May justice prevail.

New word of the day: trijectory.

i respect this guy for making it clear that actually his hands function , i can do all things done by people with enabled body

Why bother checking for fingerprints? Why focus on the bat at all? Unless they can prove the shots were fired AFTER the door was hit with the bat or the bat was used to hit the victim it's pointless.

@theexplosionist2019

10 жыл бұрын

That's strange. Barry Roux seems happy that the evidence shows he was on his stumps. Maybe he forgot about OP's statement.

@GooglSucksDisk

10 жыл бұрын

TheExplosionist Because OP wasn't on his stumps. The bastard probably still had his legs on during the hours of fighting before she finally grew fed up (or terrified) and went off to the toilet room with her cell phone and locked the door. He then chased her down and shot at her in a blinding rage. After he realised he had killed her, he got the bat to break into the room to get to her. OP's fabrication is that he and Reeva were both sleeping in the bed until he "heard a noise" coming from the bathroom so he grabbed his gun and immediately ran to the toilet on his stumps (without putting on his legs wasting time) so he could catch a "burglar."

@GooglSucksDisk

10 жыл бұрын

I don't care what OP, Roux or the forensic investigator claim. The door will prove that he chased her down in haste and shot and killed her with his legs on, because he was NOT sleeping when this mysterious "noise" came from an intruder in the bathroom. OP claimed a year ago that they went to bed around 10 and he was awoken by a noise from a burglar in the bathroom so he quickly bolted to the bathroom on his stumps to catch the intruder. They were not sleeping - they were arguing, as all the neighbours heard. But even if the two were in bed, awake, arguing, OP could have put his legs on to go after her once she ran off to the bathroom. But that's not what OP said had happened a year ago.

@Tessietots

10 жыл бұрын

TheExplosionist Well he has been trying his utmost to get the witness to stand in a uncomfortable position .. with his back bent etc.. to prove he could have been standing on this prosthesis legs.. its like he is trying to force the outcome.. bloody idiot ... LOL... I was in a good mood... till I started watching this.. he has got me so irritated.

@barbarataylor8448

10 жыл бұрын

flowerblossom To me, whether he had his legs on or not can only prove truthfulness,and maybe support timelines, but won't prove whether it was premeditated or not. The man has lived with stumps since he was 11 months old, and I bet that, while it's obviously a huge disability, he can move faster on them than we can even imagine. And it seems to me that if you feared an intruder in your bathroom, you would put your legs on before you investigated to minimize your disadvantage if you encounter that intruder. What would make you more likely to run around on stumps is if you were in a fit of rage and not afraid of the other person..

WHEN is it back

Is it back on yet

It's too bad for Pistorius that this didn't happen in Florida. Under Florida's Stand Your Ground law there wouldn't be a trial. Since he said he feared for his life, he wouldn't be charged, let alone reach trial. He wouldn't even have to provide serious reasons why he was afraid or that it was reasonable to be afraid. If citizens of all the US states with Stand Your Ground laws don't pressure your legislatures to repeal them, we will continue to have many, many more of our own Reevas, Trayvon Martins, James Davises, and countless more. Our trigger-happy people need to know there will be serious consequences when they are not really justified by self-defense.

What's happening NOW...... 3/13/14 (7:55 am) Regardless of whether or NOT Oscar was on his stumps did NOT give Oscar the RIGHT to go BLASTING away withOUT checking to see if Reeva was in bed or in the restroom and IF Oscar called Reeva's name out and Reeva WAS in the restroom, then WHY would Reeva NOT answer? Was Reeva indeed HIDING from Oscar? If she was, you can rest for SURE that Oscar KNEW IT! Also, the arguing PRIOR to the GUN SHOTS is a MAJOR factor as well as the MASSIVE screams that were heard by neighbors BEFORE the shots were fired and IF witnesses have testified to hearing screams in the middle of the night at a GREAT distance PRIOR to Oscar shooting Reeva, then Oscar had NO CHOICE *but* to hear Reeva screaming and KNOW that it was HER because Oscar was RIGHT UPON Reeva *SHOOTING* here. Nevertheless, with Oscar HEARING Reeva, he CHOOSE to FIRE AWAY and SHOOT Reeva and CONTINUE to shoot Reeva DEAD! Inasmuch, the *PROSECUTOR* (never) stated that HE claimed as of that Oscar was NOT on his stumps. So, that is NOT part of the PROSECUTOR'S argument now. Oscar being on his stumps is STATE testimony as it was JUST proven. According to the DEFENSE attorney, in Oscar's statement, Oscar said that AFTER he shot and killed Reeva, he went and put on his legs and THEN beat the door down but EVIDENCE has proved that Oscar beat the door down withOUT wearing his legs. Again, Oscar was COMPLETELY on his STUMPS when he beat the door down. So, Oscar LIED. I don't know WHY Oscar felt that LYING about wearing his legs to break down the door, would help his case. Answer back with your speculative thoughts......

SEEMS LIKE..... written 3/13/14 (9:32 am) Oscar had ON his legs BUT knelt down while SHOOTING and while HITTING the door to make it appear that he was at a disadvantage OR is Oscar just THAT STRONG to where he has GREAT BALANCE which ALLOWS him to SHOOT a weapon that's SO POWERFUL and BEAT DOWN a door with a cricked bat, WHILE on his STUMPS? It IS possible to have stumps ON and therefore USE THEM as LEVERAGE while committing such acts. Without getting TOTALLY conclusive at this point, let's just examine the evidence to broaden speculative thoughts....

Pistorius is GUILTY!!!! but Mr. Roux is Excellent I would hire him anytime

its exhausting keeping up with his questions (Roux). takes so long to actually pose a question , if he actually HAS a question. mostly he just harasses witnesses, i find him annoying and this case is much less "interesting" in court than say the Jodi Arias trial...now that was a good watch :) Hehe, but anyways! Im still kind of confused as to why it even matters about the bat. he lkilled her, ;ets talk about whether it was premeditated or not . en lets get Oscar on the stand please!

@pps1fan

10 жыл бұрын

Totally agree...he shot her he has denied that...it's a matter now of proving if it was premeditated or not...he's guilty whichever way of killing an unarmed, innocent woman...she was in locked bathroom...please somebody tell me what intruder would hide out in a bathroom? They would either be running for the nearest exit or actually attacking the home owners?!

@pps1fan

10 жыл бұрын

I say the last part as a victim...I woke up to intruders in my home...as soon as I shouted out they ran out...didn't hang about to be confronted or to confront me or my family. They don't want to risk being caught that's for sure!

@thandokuhle5239

10 жыл бұрын

im glad no one got hurt in ur case! He shud just tell the truth otherwise this is gonna eat him up for the rest of his life

@erzug

10 жыл бұрын

pps1fan Only intruders who break into Oscar Pistorius' house, silly. When you got to go, you got to go.

@Seedsow4

10 жыл бұрын

maybe when he couldn't break the door down with the cricket bat (neighbors heard her screaming for help) OP became so enraged he went for the gun. Blind rage. The phones are key. Phone evidence will show why all this started in the first place.

why is it a one sided interrogation with no support from the prosecutor

@loneranger734

10 жыл бұрын

***** I understand your viewpoint, but complacency can be a factor as he is really trying to break the witness here, by asking him to get down on knees, get up, go back, come back, do it again etc. I just saw Bieber's case, and I would rather have his defence lawyer as the prosecutor, he was good in interuupting where required or weebit more more, but Roux deserves it

@ Evagelia Reeva's mom is not there she went back to PE she'll come back torwards the end of the trial.

What the Adv. Roux is asking of Col. Vermeulen at around the 40-odd minute mark is extraordinarily strange. If you are striking the door with so much force that it does - as Roux said in earlier cross examinations - sound like a gunshot, your body would be in *the* most forceful and natural position possible. Bending at the waist is not a forceful or natural position. It prevents the recruitment of all the necessary musculature to strike the door with that much force. Just like you can throw a punch from the shoulder... you can indeed do this to demonstrate a fixed pattern of movement, but it will never be as powerful as a more natural punching movement where you plant your feet and rotate through the hips as you throw the punch. The Col. clearly knows what he's talking about, and Roux is undermining his own defence - in my opinion - by suggesting Pistorius would have been wasting energy when striking the door.

I wnt b surprised if Darren Fresco is helping Barry Roux and his friend Oscar Pistorius. Check how many times they had contact, GerrieNel

that sounds good she found the phone since he seems to have lots of secerts

Poor cop he's very good but he's constantly out of breath

I am convinced he's guilty as well to many inconsistencies in his version..now we heard the window of lounge was broken but no shards to be found...mmm had time to clean up the scene..

Its seems to me that Roux is trying to show that it could of been possible that Oscar was on his false legs..

according to the laws biomechanichs there is no way that Pestorious could have been without his prosthetic legs - you simply can't deliver a 80 kg punch by just using using lumber muscles and deltoids. A strong swing appears when the actual strain initially generates hamstrings and then is amplified by gluteals then lumber muscles and then by deltoids and then reaches maximum force through energy transfer to triceps.

@Afroangelic07

10 жыл бұрын

Yes, but the adrenaline rush of having killed a person could result in anything. If he could shoot the gun without his prosthetics, then he could have delivered the much disputed whack on the door. His behaviour, all round, is scary. I'm convinced that Oscar could have done many things that night that would never be answered using any law. My heart is only broken that he violated the law of common sense so badly. Before you shoot, give a warning shot, and (very importantly) seek to identify the target!

@ARIES9327

10 жыл бұрын

adrenaline rush would weaken the whack in this particular situation - the muscles because of adrenaline are contracted and do not allow large amplitude motions - and there is a big difference to pull a 1.1 kg trigger and deliver a 80 kg whack. If you think that there is a bugler in your washroom which is kind of odd because normally there is nothing to steal in the bathroom and no burglar would lock himself in the bathroom he would rather jump back to the window which is next to the bathroom door, anyways if you think there is a n intruder and for some reason he locked himself in the bathroom then you might wanna be in good shape to run at least you take the gun then you put on your "shoes". I mean his logic does not make any sense. I am absolutely sure it was a premeditated murder unless this guy is a schizophrenic or something ...

@Afroangelic07

10 жыл бұрын

ARIES9327 True. And again under normal circumstances (and I believe my stats would be right) More than 98% of people on the planet would rather scare a burglar off, than have to shoot him, since you do not know what weapons burglar has and what his intentions are. This case should not have gone on so long, as this only adds to the pain for the bereaved. Oscar intentionally shot and killed Reeva. There was a campaign that said "You're only half a man, if you rape a woman." What would they say now?

@stmounts

10 жыл бұрын

ARIES9327 You know NOTHING about adrenaline. Do some reasearch before you post any more bullshit. www.livescience.com/33336-how-powerful-willpower-adrenaline-rush.html

It is extremely wrong and inappropriate to use a flimsy measuring tape for use when Col. J. Vermeulen made a demonstration showing at his height where he would have hit the door with the cricket bat and then putting him on his knees and using the same flimsy measuring tape. The use of a professional wooden tape measure that is collapsible should have been used for a more concise measurement. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!

oh im sorry now the state change their mind he had no legs on whateeeeevvvveeeerrrrrrrr...they dont know if their coming or going thats what im taking about stick with an argument ..and his lawyer is doing what any defense lawyer would do what the heck is the shock?

@barbarataylor8448

10 жыл бұрын

Intelligent people don't stick with a preliminary theory that they themselves subsequently prove wrong. The state has not argued during the trial that he was wearing his "legs." That was their belief up through the bail hearing at least, but dropped when the forensics showed otherwise. You don't make your final case before you begin the in-depth testing and evaluation by forensic experts. But you do have to have reason to arrest and charge the person to begin with.

@analove9453

10 жыл бұрын

yes which in fact is botched already look at this expert ...seriously

How old is this judge? She looks like she should be retired from the bench already. I would have thought that the SA case of the century would have demanded a younger more energetic judge who would have more control of the courtroom.

This guy is a colonel in the SA police...fuck me he's a right drip!

@ naomi HAHA.......use Roux as the door good one!

My natural position is to stand on the floor, where as for Spiderman it might have been more natural to stand on the ceiling or wall. Based on this I can not understand why the col Vermeulen did not then suspend himself upside down or side ways to demonstrate this.....

Cannot understand why someone would not check photos from Crime Scene for such a high profile case. So lazy! why give defense advocates gifts like this...

@danielking9830

10 жыл бұрын

Terribly sloppy investigation into the door. Most half-organized people with any common sense would have done a better investigation, even with no forensic training.

@danielking9830

10 жыл бұрын

Forensics guy is completely useless..no confidence at all in his scientific methods (which there don't seem to be any). But how the bat was used seems irrelevant to whether oscar shot his girlfriend minutes before or not, however, it is still worrying that forensics are not smarter than this...

pps1fan it matters because if he had his legs on it means he premeditated to kill her...but this is why this is about to get good because if thats the case then yes he didnt intended to kill her im assuming he wouldnt get into an argument like prosecutors say supposedly running around the house arguing.... with no legs? that makes no sense if she ran in the bathroom i would put my legs on to kill not be vulnerable so she can kill me first because with no legs where is he gona run to shed run first she has that advantage

@barbarataylor8448

10 жыл бұрын

He has the advantage of a 9mm parabellum. That's a great deal more than an equalizer. And testimony by him, as well as his former girlfriend, were that is was always within his reach when in bed. According to other testimony, it appear that he was uncomfortable if he didn't always have one on his person or within reach. But he didn't have to get out of bed to kill her. It could have started in bed and she had the jump on him in running away from him. But why would she run to the bathroom? Maybe because there was no door or wall to put between them on the doorway or below, based on home photos, and he would have a clear, unobstructed shot? Maybe she watched a lot of TV and therefore believed a door and wall would protect her? But you bring up an interesting point I hadn't considered. You may be right.

@analove9453

10 жыл бұрын

it just doesnt sound right if he shot htru the door with no legs lol( you know what i mean) then if there was an argument then she can run faster than he can their assume it was an argument ..another thing why is she sitting if shes hidding bathroom wasnt that small ? i mean ...this is why i said the argument thing doesnt click with me because now we know he had no legs so was he crawling after her this sound stupid this is why i wana see a motive for the fight what did they fight over? because that makes a difference too..not to mention that the expert who examines the door doesnt take into consideration his height and weight ..thats soemthing we see here done ...

@thehappystack

10 жыл бұрын

JULIANA anddrade Pistorius is highly mobile on his stumps. This has been stated many times before. In his testimony he has also stated he "ran to the balcony", "ran to the passage" etc. all on his stumps. The fact that he resembles a short person (125cm, or thereabouts) on his stumps doesn't matter. He's still a physically strong male *and* constantly making people aware he's in possession of a firearm. He's also stated the bedroom door is locked at night, so that wouldn't be easy to escape through (if that is indeed the case, that Reeva was trying to run away from him) and there's no door on the bathroom but there is a lockable door to the toilet. Logically - taking this into account, if he prevented her from getting to the balcony to call for help, the toilet is the only other option.

@analove9453

10 жыл бұрын

thehappystack i still wouldnt run to the bathroom id run out the door

@thehappystack

10 жыл бұрын

But if the bedroom door is locked - as it was, and it would take you time to unlock it and get out of it, and you would have more time to get yourself to a safe place if you ran over a greater distance (as you say, she would have an advantage - even though he's highly mobile on his stumps)... then it's logical you would do that in a time of panic. That's even assuming that she was able to get to the bedroom door... perhaps he confronted her in the passage, and the only place she *could* retreat to would be the bathroom/toilet? I'm sure she never thought, if she did indeed run away from him, that he would shoot her. She would maybe fear that he'd hit her, but I doubt she'd entertain the idea the man she loves would shoot her.