Origin Of The Sin-Eater (Spider-Man Villain)
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Today on Variant, we discuss the return of Sin-Eater in Nick Spencer's Amazing Spider--Man: Sins Rising Prelude, include the fresh take on the villains origin!
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Such a cool backstory for an obscure villain, kinda glad he's back.
@wolfgang6442
3 жыл бұрын
Frrs it is, which in a way I could sorta relate to
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Not me. He overrated and lame. Spiderman already has a rouges gallery full of psychoes. What make him any different?
@macfresher11
3 жыл бұрын
this should be Miles Morales’ first villain for practice.
@migangelmart
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 Ski mask. Shotgun. Need I say more?
I love how you talk about things that are current and as well as historically important. The Death of Jean DeWolff is one of my favourite Spider-Man stories.
@ggt47
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
You'd think a skilled marksman would use something with a little more range, accuracy, and capacity than a shotgun.
@bruhbruh7886
3 жыл бұрын
Double pump?
@Clayton_Stewart
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I know that you can be very accurate with a shotgun, and it's not a weapon that needs as close a distance as TV, movies, and video games would have you believe, but it was still designed for closer quarters combat when introduced to war in WW1. Yes, there's slugs and the amount of distance one can shoot it at and still be accurate and lethal has greatly increased, but it's still not meant for long range fights. And to anyone who says things, like how they were able to kill some animal from a far distance with a shotgun, keep in mind that shotguns made for hunting are very different than shotguns made for combat in terms of maneuverability, size, and tactical efficiency in these situations. You can hunt with a combat shotgun, but you'll have a harder time using a hunting shotgun for tactical use and in a firefight. It makes sense, both for those familiar with/have handled firearms and those who have knowledge from the media, that shotguns aren't what you associate a marksman with. Your immediate thoughts are to rifles, and maybe some pistols. If shotguns were for marksmen, then I wonder why vigilantes like the Punisher and Deadpool don't use them at long range, but instead for more confident and tight spaces where the spread of the buckshot has a better chance of hitting multiple targets when fired down a small hallway at a group of thugs. Plus, I don't think anyone's taking into account that he would specifically need slugs for marksmanship and not any ammo that has spread. Pistol and rifle ammunition doesn't natural spread, so it'd be much easier for him to find and stock up on that than him having to likely spend more time on slugs specifically for his shotgun, just to prove his marksmanship. In short, markmen typically don't have their main weapon be a shotgun for tactical reasons. Nor would they use it over pistols just to prove their skill.
@food4j
Жыл бұрын
Big spread, my friend
@RK-wq5pp
14 күн бұрын
Good point
The Death of Jean DeWolff is one of the best Spiderman's stories ever.
@nick.19
3 жыл бұрын
Very underrated bc of Kraven's Last Hunt. But, yeah, one of the best.
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
They killed off a good character just for shock value. How does that make it one of the best stories? Instead if Jean being remember for being a good character that help spiderman she remembers for her death. Pure trash.
@fnspidey3825
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 yeah and most people don't know that. I hope she takes Yuri's place on the force when the sequel returns so people can know how awesome she is.
@tygrus3495
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 The title is the death of Jean DeWolff, but I never said is a good story because of her death. I find interesting the character Sin Eater, his mental issues, and how things are happening through his eyes. And is ok if you find the story overrated (or other), that's the richness (and nice flip) of comics, where you have the right to agree, disagree, or pass, and you have as well the right to your own opinion ; )
@dppool456
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite arc. I personally consider it better than Kraven´s Last Hunt (not artistically, but in plot and message).
I’d like to see a punisher and sin eater interaction in the comics just to see what would happen if they would get along or not
@cilliancooney3950
3 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine he would as Frank only believes in killing the guilty while sin eater killed an innocent detective
@arkinyte13
3 жыл бұрын
It’d be a sweet battle.
@maineymonroe8225
3 жыл бұрын
Sweet, sweet interaction
@theequasian3823
3 жыл бұрын
@@cilliancooney3950 would they're contradicting views on justice make a interesting story tho
@shadowx9398
3 жыл бұрын
Cillian Cooney Don’t forget the priest and judge.
Marvel should give Sin-Eater the Kingpin treatment and toss him over to Daredevil, seems more like a Matt Murdock kinda villain.
@GabesEdtiz
3 жыл бұрын
Lucius Tennin that could work. But Daredevil is gone so 😔
@luciustennin6936
3 жыл бұрын
@@GabesEdtiz it's comics, soon enough he'll be back. It's always just a matter of time
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair Daredevil was a major part of the Sin Eater storyline so he is technically a Daredevil villain
@dppool456
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Sin-Eater killed a judge that was friends with Matt Murdock, which got him involved in the hunt with Spidey. The contrast of their reactions is what makes the story so brilliant.
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
Also the comics showed how smart Matt is that he figured out Peter’s identity just because he happened to hear his voice and noticed a slight difference in the tone and speech patterns he used and he realised he could use it to his advantage when Peter was acting like a dick by using his real name whilst they were both in costume to help snap him back to reality
Sin-Eater Looks more like a punisher villain
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show how lame of a villain he really is.
@Clayton_Stewart
3 жыл бұрын
Would much prefer him as someone who is trying to be like the Punisher, but more in rural and suburban areas than in the big cities like Frank. Kinda like a backwoods Punisher, if you will.
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
Sin Eater is basically a darker version of the Punisher.
@kashsmith6181
3 жыл бұрын
More like a Daredevil villain given his religious thematics.
@napoleonwilson6499
2 жыл бұрын
Originally punisher was a Spiderman villain
The Death of Jean Dewolff by the Sin-Eater is one of the saddest stories I ever read. Her death shook me.
One of my favorite scenes is Spider-Man nearly beating this guy to death and daredevil revealing he knew Peter's identity
"The Death of Jean DeWolff" is one of my favorite story arcs from back in the day. I would reread it from time to time.
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
She was kill off for cheap shock values. I guess any story from the 80s is consider great no matter how badly it age over the years.
@brockivory5405
2 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 you read the book?
@INFERNO95
2 жыл бұрын
@@brockivory5405 Yeah. And you?
@brockivory5405
2 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 no but from what I've heard it seems that it was a good idea to kill her to bring up her brother as motivation I guess.
This is so complex and convoluted for a above average villain
I collected this entire story arc back in the mid 1980's...loved it.
He sounds like a perfect counterpart against Moon Knight. I mean, just think about it.
@youtubersworldwide3713
3 жыл бұрын
Now it's Sony property. Any character related to Spidey is goes to Sony
@OK-yy6qz
3 жыл бұрын
More Like Daredevil he's Very Close to Moon Knight
@keelanbarron928
3 жыл бұрын
@@youtubersworldwide3713 only movie rights.
@youtubersworldwide3713
3 жыл бұрын
@@keelanbarron928 then how Sony have exclusive Spider Man game. Even spider man in new Avengers game is Sony exclusive
@TheRealKSmith
3 жыл бұрын
@@youtubersworldwide3713 Lego Marvel, Marvel vs. Capcom, Disney Infinity, and a handful of mobile games say otherwise.
The costume looks really old school.
@wolfgang6442
3 жыл бұрын
Fr it does
@duckyjoel5373
3 жыл бұрын
@Peregrine Britteridge ?
I always wanted to know about him
Also for those who didn’t know or who have forgotten The Sin Eater is a integral part to Eddy Brock Venom’s origin
@gerbill13
6 ай бұрын
Yeah was just about to post this.
A pretty cool villain. I always love the Spider-Man Serial Killers because I always think they have the opportunity to show an incredibly more darker and sinister side to the Spider-Man Comics. They also have the potential to show a dark reflection of what Peter could've become if he hadn't gotten past his grief and trauma.
This guy, to me, is basically Marvel's own take on Jason Voorhees. Wasn't Sin-Eater part of Eddie Brock's a.k.a Venom's backstory?
@Jasonhadjigeorgiou
3 жыл бұрын
Bro i had just finished reading venom dark origin.
@Supremmo
3 жыл бұрын
That was another Sin Eater
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
Yep in the original Venom backstory it was revealed Eddie lost his job because during the time Sin Eater was active he would talk to himself and his voice would carry through the wall into the next door apartment who’s occupant had mental health issues, said occupant mistook it for a voice in his head and thought he had developed a split personality, he confessed being Sin Eater to the police but first went to Eddie Brock who printed the story which made the company Eddie worked for look like fools when one day later Stanley was revealed as the real Sin Eater which caused Eddie to lose his job and started his hatred of Spider-man
@mediabaron2416
3 жыл бұрын
@@mrcritical6751 Ironically, Emil Gregg, the man Eddie Brock mistook for Sin-Eater, would come back as a supernatural version of Sin-Eater. One that literally ate peoples' sins in order to grow stronger. He ended up facing off with Carnage during that brief time Carnage was magically inverted to the side of good.
@JoseValencia-fr8wh
9 ай бұрын
I’m here because I asked chat GPT what makes Eddie broke moral and a good person. I didn’t even know who he was
I can’t believe arris said the “hard r”
other Spiderman villains: has crazy ass acrobatics, robot arms, mutant powers Sin Eater: Shawt gon he feels like a Batman villain
@donaldtusk2678
3 жыл бұрын
I think that could be the problem
@kashsmith6181
3 жыл бұрын
He'd make a good Daredevil villain. Especially given the religious thematics
So TLDR: Jason Todd with a shotgun and some insane bible reading classes
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Sin eater is a lame villain.
@Lynch2507
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 I mean, so were 90% of villains from that era. Am interested to see if he changes after, ya know, being brought back from hell
@LilXaee
3 жыл бұрын
Whats does TLDR mean?
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 Can you please not put the same thing on every comment?
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
Well Sin Eater was done way before Jason Todd resurrection and even before death of Jason Todd.
Sin-Eater is back, and this time, he’ll definitely become one of the best villains to villains to ever exist in Spidey’s rogues gallery
I feel like the sin eater only existed just to give Eddie Brock a origin story
@hiddenthunder1395
3 жыл бұрын
Nah, Venom's origin is almost an afterthought.
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
Felt more like “shit we need a good reason for why Eddie hates Spider-man, quickly find some obscure story that could make him go bad”
There’s also a good story with Venom and Sin Eater. ”Sinner Takes All!”
I'm glad the sin eater is back. As a forgotten Spider-Man villain. I think the sin eater is cool but crazy
Make the super villain an expert marksman, and then give him a shotgun
"he's a hard R" lol
Looks like Spidey's gotta team up with Punisher, Hawkeye and Moon Knight to take him down.
@alienalchemist
3 жыл бұрын
I think Sin Eater and Punisher will get along better. Both men have similar style of carrying out their justice, have military background and they fight Spider-man in their first appearance. Maybe Sin Eater and Moon Knight can get along because Sin Eater has double personality disorder and Moon Knight multiple personality disorder.
I would love to sin a horror theme sin eater movie with some spiderman cameos, showing him killing the greedy, corrupt, and narcissistic people. I would also love to see Punish and Sin Eater meet and see what ensues
I would love you to do an obscure comic book character series. Please start with dogwelder. He's my favourite obscure comic book character
@ngultrum1
3 жыл бұрын
There's a series by GammaRay that you'll like then. kzread.info/head/PLUII-TIgX3qHqjiY44Aca6EhbPRMDg5-Z
@littledanmcnamara1840
3 жыл бұрын
@@ngultrum1 just had a look. I will definitely like this. Thanks for that, got my night sorted out
@ngultrum1
3 жыл бұрын
@@littledanmcnamara1840 Happy to help mate.
I have no idea who this is, thank you Variant! This is the type of content I love, thank you once more. :D
First of all, MANY of the "d list" villains need to get revamped and empowered.
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Hell no.
@randomrealistictone2231
3 жыл бұрын
Wizzer
@REALROCKFM
3 жыл бұрын
Malik Roman Gibbon lmfao
Great Sin eater finally gets the attention he deserves
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
What did he do to deserve any attention? He sucks.
Remember, if there was no Sin-Eater, there would be no Venom.
Variant comics always delivers and I really dig when the narrator's does character voices
R.i.p Gean de wolff , never forgotten. Death hit hard back in the 80s
One of the best intros on yt along with Comics Explained and The Den Of Nerds Live
And another cool thing about Sin Eater is he basically caused the creation of Venom because Eddie wrote about the fake identity of him
very cool villain. loving the description
They went waaaaay back for this one. Glad to see someone other than Venom, Carnage, Green Goblin in the spotlight. Marvel needs to do more of this. DC definitely needs to do more of this.
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Except they should do it whit villains that people care about not some one off loser.
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree. I mean Green Goblin is also in the spotlight for this storyline, but he's well written in it so I can't really complain. But yeah it was good to bring back a pretty good villain that had a great initial story but was just a one-off. I was skeptical of the Sin-Eater returning and afraid they would ruin him, especially after his backstory modification, but Part 3 and 4 of Sins Rising put my feats to rest. I think the resolution for the character in 54.LR makes sense based on the character and context of the situation.
Level 5 bandit looking ass fit 100/10 character design
No wonder why Marvel made sure no one knew who he was, he's rated fucking R
If insomniac brings the Sin-Eater into Marvel's Spider-Man 2? *Lord, have mercy...*
His duel with The Punisher will absolutely be LEGENDARY
His like the Punishers distant crazy cousin
@themostbritishpersonalive868
3 жыл бұрын
Implying the punisher isn't crazy
@dppool456
3 жыл бұрын
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 How about ¨distant crazier cousin¨?
@themostbritishpersonalive868
3 жыл бұрын
@@dppool456 yeah ok
I'm glad that this is the original & not someone else in the mask. The brutal murder of Jean DeWolff was a huge surprise & so realistic at that time. The Sin-Eater is a really scary character.
Great job man👍🏽
It's also worth pointing out that Sin Eater's murder spree is indirectly responsible for Eddie Brock becoming Venom.
I never knew he existed and by watching this video, I'm beginning to like him and I wanna see more of his story
Not a fan of this current Spider-Man run. Has it gotten better? I think I last read issue 28.
@yehudadavis3235
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'd recommend waiting a few more months before getting back into it. It's good again, but issues are coming out so slow (bc of the virus) that it would be better to wait a few months and then catch up on the issues you missed. But yeah to answer your question is it good again, but very slow.
@Josh-di3zo
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah its kind of ok one thing its about to do is retcon OMD
@dwaynem.1194
3 жыл бұрын
Yehuda Davis I have all the issues. I’ll catch up eventually.
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say its pretty good. Hunted storyline dragged don a bit though. It took a dark turn since issue 44. It used to be fun up till then because of its lighthearted and return to classic Spidey tone, but since issue 44, with the current storyline, its pretty dark. Ngl though I love the issues currently coming out, and have for some time. Now would be a good time to read 44 onwards, because Issue 55, the conclusion to Last Remains comes out in a few days. Because of COVID though its been very dragged out. Most of the .LR issues are unnecessary except for 54.LR. All the meat of the story has come out in December with Issue 54, one of the most brutal issues ever, and 54.LR.
damn im early to a marvel variant video, keep up the good work adrian!
Nice, kind of like Punisher that was once spiderman villain
I loved his story back in the day. Having a villain that actually murdered ppl was awesome. Raised the stakes for the heroes.
I had that comic where Spidey met Sin Eater. I remember being confused as the black suit was a normal suit
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
After he got rid of the symbiote, Black Cat wove him a new black suit cuz she liked that one better than the red one.
Fun Fact: Eddie Brock was going to run a story where he was sure he figured out Sin Eater's identity. Peter Parker was the one who debunked it and ruined his career.
Great video as usual....hope to look more about Dceased dark metal series
I really love justice league dark and I was wondering if you could do a history of Zatanna video
Love this channel
I first saw Sin Eater when he fought with Carnage, it was an awesome introduction
I never heard of this character before, but he seems pretty interesting, enough for me to want to check him out myself
Interesting backstory.
It would be great to get more origins of lesser known Spider-Man villains
I only know who this guy is because I used to have his card when I was a kid. I've been in love with the name Sin Eater as a villains name ever since.
I didn't expect you to go all the way back to his birth
Wasn't there a 2nd Sin Eater. The only reason I remember it was in a spiderman reading card series from 90s
@darklord1980
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Venom mini series "Sinner Takes All."
I kinda wanna see sin eater in other media
@wolfgang6442
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Same too
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
I don't.
Arris it's actually called venomous and not poisonous snake okay.
really nice
Him and punisher would get along great
I'm a DC guy. However, because I LOVE Halloween/scary things, a couple of character from Marvel always intrigued me and I wonder if they use them often. They are Hobgoblin and Jack O' Lantern.
0:34 ya know. I really needed someone to say that to me today.
Exactly how many super soldier programs did shield have ?
Nice vid
I know people say Deadpool is Marvel’s answer to DC’s Deathstroke. But I’d say Sin-eater def resembles Dstroke’s appearance and background in a lot of ways.
You are awesome man
You skipped A LOT from 5:12 - 5:14. At the end of the first sin-eater story, Spider-man was so angry he beat up the villain badly. Very out of character. The sin-eater was brought to trail and was found insane. Put in an asylum. Years later the authorities deemed him "cured" and released him. Angering everyone. Family members of victims and Spider-man. Spider-man decides to go full Batman, complete with scary gravel voice and taunt the Sin Eater in his apartment. But when spiderman arrives at his apartment and tries to scare him, he finds an ordinary man. A broken man physically and mentally. Spiderman had beaten him up so badly years that he had several permanent injuries. A Broken jaw, so now he stutters and a cane to help him walk. Spiderman feels so bad on what he did to him he leaves traumatized. But the sin eater isn't cured. Every night alone in his apartment the personna taunts the ordinary man. Until he can't take it anymore. He dons his costume and gun and confronts the cops. But it was suicide by cop. Two different story arcs. Years apart.
History of dark avengers
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
3 жыл бұрын
Great idea and thunderbolts and the squadron supreme
Origin / History of Omega Red plz!
Can you do History of the Elementals, Cyclone and Sandman along with the Sinister Six?
Awesome
@nero8699
3 жыл бұрын
You were first nice
Amazing
Ah yes, spider-man worst villains: a mad doctor with metal tentacles, an alien parasite goo and the fearsome threat yet: a guy with a mask and shotgun, bet never gonna see him in any NEW animated series or the Mcu movies
Makes sense people hate the Sin-Eater creatures. They basically give terrible people a free-pass to heaven.
You should review the recent Death Metal one shot with the origins of the new Dark Knights
This is good
I had the issue where Stan/Sin-Eater died, but I've never read the entire Death of Jean DeWolff saga. Would love to read the whole story some day.
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
I recommend finding the pocketbook Venom Birth Of A Monster, it contains almost the entire Sin Eater storyline and Venom’s origin issues
What I'm hoping for is more Prowler appearances
Very underrated spider man villain
Movie Idea: Adapt Death of Jean deWolf and Conway´s Tombstone Randy Robertson Arc (Spectacular Spider-Man 107-110, 138-141, 150-157). Leave Lobo Brothers, Hammerhead, and Kristy pieces out of it to trim the story down. Primary focus should be justice, vigilantism, and the legal system. There´s plenty of ways to tie the arcs together. For instance, Tombstone could be the guy who killed Stanley´s partner, and when Spider-Man brings Tombstone in for other crimes (the primary one being the murder Robbie witnessed 20 years ago), Stanley could shoot Jean deWolf because she withheld from providing ´evidence´ (more conjecture, though ironically we as the audience know it´s true) that could get Tombstone the death penalty. This gives us a more in-depth example of why he thinks deWolf symbolizes the problems in the legal system. Also, Matt Murdock could be the lawyer that ensures Tombstone doesn´t get death penalty (plea deal), with the aid of deWolf not getting involved with overly circumstantial evidence. Great way to introduce the complexity of Daredevil before the Death of Jean Dewolf storyline really gets started. Throw Kingpin and Chameleon in the background for good measure. This is more to set up the atmosphere of a gangwar than to really confront Spider-Man. Tombstone is initially hired by Kingpin (which prompts Robbie to attempt a citizen´s arrest), then picked up by Chameleon after having to give dirt on Fisk´s criminal empire in his plea deal. Chameleon is responsible for making sure Robbie gets sentenced as severely as he is and put in the same prison as Tombstone, setting up their prison break using Spider-Man. This puts Tombstone on the loose during a gangwar to set up a double climax. Peter Parker should be in his mid-twenties (Holland version wouldn´t work) and married to Mary Jane. Make him the most comic book accurate version in film so far (which really isn´t that hard). Randy Robertson should finally get the attention in film that he deserves, in fact he´s one of our two secondary protagonists (with Daredevil). Story should be set back in the eighties, rather than modern day. Sin-Eater returns stroyline in sequel with Venom as main villain.
Welcome back killer.
History of Adam Strange!!
Nice exposé. Never knew about that guy. I guess webhead has got a lot on his plate. I am surprised he has not lost his mind like batman
Sin Eater needs to appear in the mcu.
Do you think we will see this villain on the big screen or TV shows? Would it be awesome if he was the main antagonist of the third Spider-Man movie in the MCU?
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
Are you for real? The character is lame as hell. He was made just to kill off poor Jean for cheap shock values. Keep this garbage character off the screen.
@mrcritical6751
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like Michael Shannon to play him if he ever appeared in live action
He was a ghost guy in an Carnage comic
Good story!
So he's almost like an insane punisher with Joker's color scheme
Sineater?? Jean DeWolff?? Wraith?? Man I gotta backtrack since I haven't heard of these characters before.
I would love to see this villain fleshed out on the big screen.
@INFERNO95
3 жыл бұрын
There are way better spiderman villain that deserve to be on the big screen then this lame ass villain.
@goldenstatewarriors9418
3 жыл бұрын
@@INFERNO95 Who? Green Goblin's been used way too often, Doc Ock has already been used, Venom's attempts on big screen have been meh, Hobgoblin doesn't make sense without Green Goblin, and that would require doing Green Goblin again, Lizard, Mysterio, Sandman, Kingpin, Electro, Rhino, Shocker, Vulture, and most of the main rogues gallery have already been used. Rose doesn't make sense without Hobgoblin. Sin Eater is one of the few that haven't been used. The only other major non used ones are Scorpion and Kraven.
Will u guys be covering/talking about the DC Fandome event??