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7 жыл бұрын

***** No scripture says that the Son of God and the Holy Spirit of God are coequally distinct divine persons beside God the Father. Lexicons and Concordances were mostly composed by Trinitarian scholars which often reflect their theological bias. I encourage you to look up the word "paracletos" for "the Holy Spirit" in John 14:26 and then compare the word "paracletos" in John 14:16-18 and 1 John 2:1 referencing Jesus. How can an alleged non-incarnate coequally distinct true God Person "advocate" and "intercede" to God? The only viable explanation is held by us Oneness believers. Jesus is the Holy Spirit of the Father who also became a man in order to become our "paracletos." 2 Cor. 3:17 says, "the Lord IS THE SPIRIT." Just six verses down, Paul wrote, "we preach not ourselves but Christ JESUS THE LORD." Since "JESUS IS LORD", he must be "THE SPIRIT." Trinitarian theologians say that "the Son IS NOT THE SPIRIT" and "the Spirit IS NOT THE SON." Yet scripture teaches otherwise.

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7 жыл бұрын

***** I cannot reply to each of your comments here for lack of time. You are the first Trinitarian I have ever heard of accusing Oneness of believing in a God with 3 heads. This is what we think of the trinity doctrine. So let me reply to your statement: "if you pray to Jesus how do you know its not the Holy spirit? so you worship A 3 HEADED GOD WITH ONE BODY so Jesus the father and the holy spirit ARE 3 HEADS ON ONE BODY WHICH IS DEMONIC !!! so when Jesus comes to die on the cross ACCORDING TO YOU ITS NOT JESUS IT CAN BE THE FATHER OR THE HOLY SPIRIT??????" RESPONSE: Trinitarians who believe that God is literally 3 God Persons with each having His own distinct Divine Mind, Divine Will, and Divine Consciousness are in fact worshiping a three headed God. The scriptures only teach one Divine Will of our Heavenly Father and only one human will of the man Christ Jesus. We Oneness believers worship the Father in Spirit and in truth because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father who came down from heaven to also become the Christ child. Thus, we see only One God Person and one man person called God in scripture: God as God the Father and God with us as a true man, the Son. For Hebrews 1:3 states that our wonderful Jesus is "the brightness of His glory and the express image of His Person." The context proves that Jesus is the express image of the Father's Divine Person with us as a man person. When did Jesus every pray to a Heavenly Holy Spirit Person. And where in the Hebrew Bible can you find a Father and Son relationship ever occurring? Nowhere! So the only distinctions you can find are post incarnation distinctions between God as God outside of the incarnation and God with us who became a man inside of the incarnation. We do not view the Holy Spirit as a distinct God Person. So when I pray, I pray to the Father who is the Holy Spirit Himself. When I pray to Jesus, I realize that I am praying to the Father's Divine Person whose Holy Spirit came down from heaven to become incarnate as the Christ Child. Therefore, we Oneness believers affirm One invisible God who is our Heavenly Father, and one visible image of that invisible Father with us as a true human son (fully God and fully man).

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7 жыл бұрын

***** Thayer himself admitted that the Greek grammar in John 17:5 can also be interpreted in favor of the logos being with the Father “IN HIS MIND.” Thayer stated that "With" translated from Greek is "PARA" in the dative case in John 17:5. Thayer said that this "indicates that something is or is done either in the immediate vicinity of someone, OR (metaphorically) IN HIS MIND." (Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 477). In Daniel 7:13-14, Daniel saw a prophetic vision of God the Father giving Jesus dominion and glory over all humanity before that dominion and glory was actually given, so Jesus can be said to be with the Father (para in the dative) “IN HIS MIND” and plan. Most Trinitarian so called exegesis affirms that John 17:5 says that the Son was given Divine Glory by the Father "before the world was" created. So Trinitarian scholars are expecting us to believe that a coequal God Person (the Son) was given divine glory from another coequal God Person (the Father) in heaven because one of the coequal God Persons would later become a man. If a God the Son Person was already a complete God Person before the incarnation, then it is nonsensical to believe that a coequal God Person could be given anything that was not already His in the first place. 2 Timothy 1:9-10 “God has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was GIVEN TO US IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE TIMES OF THE AGES, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus.” Paul spoke about something being ALREADY GIVEN TO US before the creation of the world. The Father’s “own purpose and grace” had already been “GIVEN TO US IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE TIMES OF THE AGES”. But that reality was not manifested in human history until after the appearing of Jesus our Savior. The inspired text in John 17:1-5 could not have been addressing a divine glory that Jesus allegedly had with the Father before the world was (in John 17:5) because Jesus prayed for the glory which he HAD with the Father in the past tense. The word “had” in Greek is "eichon' which is in the past tense. It can mean, "I used to have” or “I was having.” Since most Trinitarian theologians believe that Jesus as a Son never lost his divine glory in heaven while also becoming a man, they cannot believe that Jesus ever lost his divine glory in the incarnation. Hence, John 17:5 presents an insurmountable dilemma for Trinitarians. For an alleged unchangeable God the Son (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8) could not have lost His glorious presence in heaven while simultaneously becoming a man. Therefore, Trinitarians must concede that Jesus could not have been praying about divine glory which he allegedly had with the Father before the world was. Jesus explained that he already had predestined glory when he continued his prayer in John 17:24 "... that they may see my glory which YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, for you LOVED ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD." The words, "before the foundation of the world" holds the same essential meaning as the words "before the world was" in John 17:5. A coequally distinct true God Person could not have been "GIVEN" divine glory before the world was created while still remaining a coequally distinct true God Person. Hence, “my glory which you HAVE GIVEN ME” could not have been an alleged coequal true God Person’s glory. For if a pre-incarnate Messiah was given divine glory before the creation, then he could not be a truly coequal God Person. Furthermore, Jesus proved that he was not addressing a God Person's glory in John 17 because he prayed in John 17:22 "The glory WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, I HAVE GIVEN TO THEM." Could God's elect share in divine glory in violation of Isaiah 42:8? Since Isaiah 42:8 proves that God will not GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER who is not God, we can clearly see that Jesus was not addressing a true God Person's glory because the glory that Jesus was given was also given to his disciples. Jesus received glory by his resurrection just as his true followers would receive the same glory when they are resurrected. Wherefore, Trinitarians erroneously exegete John chapter seventeen in their attempts to prove that a pre-incarnate Messiah shared divine glory before the world was. Yet the context proves otherwise! The context of John 17:1 and John 13:1 prove that Jesus was speaking about being glorified in his resurrection in John 17:5 rather than being given Divine Glory. Jesus opened his prayer in John 17:1 saying, “Father, THE HOUR AS COME; glorify Your Son ..." John 13:1 states, “Now before the feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that HIS HOUR HAD COME that he would DEPART OUT OF THIS WORLD.” Here we find that Jesus was addressing the hour of his approaching death in the context of praying in John chapter seventeen? Thus we know that when Jesus prayed by saying that “the hour has come” in John 17:1, he was talking about the hour of his death. John chapter eighteen follows with Judas betraying Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane so we know that “the hour” Jesus was talking about was his approaching death and subsequent resurrection. Therefore the scriptural evidence proves that Jesus prayed that he would be glorified by being resurrected after his death. John 7:39 “By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since JESUS HAD NOT YET BEEN GLORIFIED.” The context of John 7:39 proves that Jesus had not yet been glorified in his resurrection. John 12:16 “At first his disciples did not understand all this. ONLY AFTER JESUS WAS GLORIFIED (resurrected) did they realize that these things had been written about him and that these things had been done to him.” The context of the above scriptures prove that Jesus was given glory by being resurrected from the dead. Jesus also gives this same glory to his disciples in John 17:22 because his true followers will be glorified by resurrection. Trinitarians often say that a plan or an idea cannot be in the presence of someone. While this may be true with us mere mortals, the miraculous nature of our God permits Him to think and speak of things as if they already exist before they actually exist later on in time (Romans 4:17; Isaiah 41:4). The book of life contains God’s plan for the ages and the names of God’s elect which have been written down from the creation of the world. Revelation 17:8 “The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.” Revelation 7:9 “After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.” Revelation 20:12 “And I saw the dead, great and small, STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, and books were opened. ANOTHER BOOK WAS OPENED, WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.” Here we find that all of God’s elect as well as the damned were seen “STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE” in the presence of God by the apostle John in prophetic visions. Since the All Knowing God “foreknew” Christ and His elect “before the creation of the world”, there is no reason why Christ could not have already been in the presence of God in God’s expressed thought. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon states that "with" translated from Greek is "PARA" in the dative case in John 17:5. Thayer says that this "indicates that something is or is done either in the immediate vicinity of someone, OR (metaphorically) IN HIS MIND." (Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 477). The prophet Daniel prophetically saw Christ’s future “dominion” and “glory” when he would be given “a kingdom” in which “all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve him.” "And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.” Daniel 7:14 Notice that the inspired text says that the Son of Man “was given dominion, glory and a kingdom” in heaven well before that dominion, glory, and kingdom would actually be given to him. We know that Jesus our Messiah was not literally given dominion over all peoples, nations and languages of the earth until his second coming with the clouds of heaven. Therefore we know that Jesus was already in the presence of the Father in God’s prophetic mind and plan “before the creation of the world” (Rev. 13:8; 1 Peter 1:20). Why would Peter write that Christ was “foreknown before the creation of the world” (1 Peter 1:20) if Christ was not already known in the Father’s prophetic plan before the ages began? And why would John write that the Lamb was already slain “before the foundation of the world” in Revelation 13:8 if Jesus was not already prophetically slain in God’s sight before his actual death? Romans 4:17 clearly states that God “calls the things which be not as though they were.” Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 1:9-10 that “God has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was GIVEN TO US IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE TIMES OF THE AGES, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus.” Paul spoke about something being ALREADY GIVEN TO US before the creation of the world. The Father’s “own purpose and grace” had already been “GIVEN TO US IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE TIMES OF THE AGES.” But that reality was not manifested in human history until after the appearing of Jesus our Savior. Therefore the scriptural evidence proves that Jesus was given glory with the Father before all creation in God’s foreknown mind and plan. Much more info at ApostolicChristianFaith.com

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Prominent Oneness theologians like David K. Bernard have rightly affirmed that modern day Oneness Pentecostals believe the same basic tenants of faith as the Modalistic Monarchian Christian majority of the first three hundred years of Christian history (David Bernard wrote, "Basically, Modalism is the same as the modern doctrine of Oneness" - The Oneness of God p.318 ). Even the opponents of the ancient Oneness Modalist’s wrote that the Modalistic Monarchians were “always … the majority of believers” (Tertullian in Against Praxeus chapter 3 - late 2nd century into the early 3rd) in the West, and “the general run of Christians” in the East (Origen’s Commentary to the Gospel of John, book 1, chapter 23 - early to mid 3rd century). Tertullian of Carthage not only acknowledged that the Oneness Modalists were “the majority” in his day (170-225 AD), he also affirmed that this was “always” the case as far back as he knew (“they that always make up the majority of believers” - Against Praxeus 3 / Adolph Harnack wrote that “Modalistic Monarchianism” was once "embraced by the great majority of all Christians” - Adolph Harnack, History of Dogma, London: Williams & Norgate, 1897, III, 51-54.). Although we are now persecuted as a minority, we still believe the same basic theology of “the great majority of all Christians” in the first three hundred years of Christian history. Oneness believers affirm that God is a single “Monarch,” “Ruler,” and “King” (Monarchianism) who has manifested Himself (Modalism) as our Heavenly Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit as the Father’s own Spirit in action. For God the Father’s own Holy Spirit came down from heaven (Luke 1:35; John 6:38) and His own word was made flesh (John 1:14) to become the Christ child. Thus, Oneness adherents believe that the One God who is the Holy Spirit of the Father also became one man who is the Son in order to “save His people from their sins.” The first century apostles taught that there is only “One God” as our Heavenly Father (“one God and Father above all” - Ephesians 4:6) “and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:5: “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him” Acts 2:22 ESV). For the One God also became one man in the incarnation through the virgin. Hence, the One God the Father “was manifested in the flesh” and “justified in the Spirit” (1 Tim. 2:5) as the man Christ Jesus because Jesus is that God who came to save us as a true man living among men (According to David K. Bernard, Oneness Theology teaches that God became a true man in the incarnation, “Christ's role of mediation does not imply a separate divine identity; it simply refers to His genuine, authentic humanity … no one else could qualify as the mediator except God Himself coming into this world as a human being.” - David K. Bernard’s online Article, “The Mediator Between God and Men” can be viewed at www.oocities.org/robert_upci/mediator_between_god_and_men_by_bernard.htm) Paul wrote to the Corinthians that “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself” (2 Cor. 5:19 NASB). No text of scripture ever states that an angelic figure was ever in Christ Jesus (the doctrine of Arianism: Jehovah’s Witnesses). Nor does any text of scripture ever state that an alleged God the Son, or God the Christ was in Christ (the doctrine of Trinitarianism) because God the Father is always spoken of in scripture as being in the Son (the doctrine of Oneness Modalism: John 10:38; 14:10 “the Father abiding in me does His works”) and being seen through the Son (“He that sees me sees the One who sent me” - John 12:45; “He who has seen me has seen the Father” - 14:7-9). That is why Jesus as the Son of God is called “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) as the image of the invisible Father. Therefore, only the Oneness view of God in Christ Jesus perfectly fits all of the scriptural data. The words, “God the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6), or similar designations such as “God our Father” (Philippians 1:2; Ephesians 1:2), and “God and Father” (Ephesians 4:6) appear more than thirty times in the New Testament, but we never find a single example of an alleged God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit ever occurring in inspired scripture, not even once. There is a reason why God always led the apostles and prophets to write God the Father rather than God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. For our Heavenly Father is “the only true God”(John 17:3) and that there are no true God’s beside Him (“there is no God beside Me” - Isaiah 45:5). Thus the man Christ Jesus is “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) as the image of the invisible Father. Hence, the scriptures teach only One Divine Individual as our Heavenly Father (the Oneness doctrine) who has only one divine Mind, one divine Will, one divine Soul, one divine Spirit, and one divine Consciousness rather than three sets of divine Consciousness, three divine Minds, three divine Wills, and three divine Souls (the Trinitarian doctrine). Moreover, the Son of God is that same Individual God who entered into His creation to become a true man with a distinct human mind, a distinct human will, a distinct human soul, a distinct human spirit, and a distinct human consciousness. This is precisely what we would expect if we are to believe that the Spirit of God came down from heaven (“The Holy Spirit will come upon you (the virgin) …and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.” - Luke 1:35 / “I came down from heaven” - John 6:38) to become a true man who could pray and be tempted (“Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil” - Math. 4:1; Heb. 4:15) as a true man in the incarnation through the Hebrew virgin (Oneness theologian Jason Dulle accurately affirmed Oneness Theology when he wrote, “We believe that Jesus was God from His birth because it was God who became a man.” - Article by Jason Dulle, Did God Become a Man or Indwell a Man? OnenessPentecostal.com).

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7 жыл бұрын

***** The omnipresent God never had to leave heaven to become incarnate as a Son. Only the omnipresent God who fills the heavens and the earth (Jer. 23:24) can descend upon a Hebrew virgin (Luke 1:35) to also become incarnate as a true man while retaining His unchangeable essence of Being in the heavens (Mal. 3:6). For the Most High God does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor does the Most High God have a physical throne in a particular place in heaven that NASA could find in a spaceship. For God said, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord, or what will be My place of repose? Has not My hand made all these things (Acts 7:49-50 BSB quotes Isaiah 66:1)?’” According to God, all of heaven is God’s throne. Thus, it is imperative that we finites open our hearts and minds to the possibility that our One Individual Heavenly Father could also become a man to save us while remaining our unchangeable Father in the heavens. Even Trinitarian theologians also admit that the omnipresent God can perform multiple tasks at once without being divided up into two or more persons. Trinitarian theologian Dan Musick wrote, “God's ability to perform multiple tasks at once does not divide Him into two persons. God has levels and dimensions of consciousness that our human minds will never fathom. John writes, "And this is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him" (NAS 1 Jn. 5:14-15). God provides this conscious, intensely private attention to millions of His children at the same time. But He is only one God.” (Dan Musick’s online article, “Kenosis, Christ Emptied Himself, Philippians 2:7, / Editor, M.A. in Theology, Wheaton Graduate School, 1978) An eager Trinitarian wrote, “Jesus cannot pray to the Father, if he is the Father. That's common sense.” I responded by writing, “I can also say the exact same thing to you Trinitarians. Jesus cannot pray to God the Father, if he is God the Son. For God as God cannot pray to God just as God as God cannot be tempted as God. For “God is not tempted of evil (James 1:13).” I continued, “Was God the Son tempted of evil, or was the Son OF God tempted of evil? There is a clear distinction between the Son OF God who is man (who did not know all things - Mark 13:32), and God who is a Spirit (who knows all things - 1 John 3:20). Therefore, Jesus could not be God with us as God, but rather, God with us as a true man.” I further responded, “I am not claiming two separate divine persons. One divine Person (our Father) also became a distinct human person (the Son). I am claiming that there is a distinction between our only true God who is our unchangeable Heavenly Father, and the human child born and Son given who is a distinct man. For Jesus is ‘the image of the invisible God’ as the image of the invisible Father. For God as God is invisible, but ‘God with us’ as a true man was made visible in the flesh through the virgin in order to ‘save His people from their sins.’” Most Trinitarian scholars and theologians also believe that the omnipresent God can miraculously become a fully complete man while remaining the immutable God in the heavens. Trinitarian theologian Dan Musick wrote, “As God, Jesus was not more than one Person because He performed multiple tasks simultaneously. As full God in flesh during His 33 years on earth, Jesus continued using His omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence to sustain every star (outside the incarnation).” (Dan Musick’s online article, “Kenosis, Christ Emptied Himself, Philippians 2:7, / Editor, M.A. in Theology, Wheaton Graduate School, 1978 / The italicized words in parenthesis were added for clarity) Dan Musick further wrote, “It was neither possible nor necessary for Christ's human intellect (as a man inside the incarnation) to comprehend the vast knowledge of His divine intellect (as God outside of the incarnation). This would allow Him to grow intellectually as one of us. Nor was it necessary for Christ to know in His human intellect all He was doing as God (outside of the incarnation). He was one Person growing and learning as one of us and simultaneously doing the work of God (Jn. 5:17), without being aware in His human intellect of all He was doing in His divine nature (in the heavens).” (Dan Musick’s online article, “Kenosis, Christ Emptied Himself, Philippians 2:7, / Editor, M.A. in Theology, Wheaton Graduate School, 1978 / The italicized words in parenthesis were added for clarity) Many Trinitarian scholars allege that the Son as a distinct divine person was both in heaven and on earth at the same time (John 3:13). Yet an alleged Trinitarian omnipresent Son Person in heaven with God the Father would have to be able to speak and act in heaven while simultaneously existing on the earth as a man. Thus, Trinitarians have a Heavenly Son Person speaking and acting in heaven while an Earthly Son Person was independently and simultaneously speaking and acting on the earth as a man. This is the same idea in which Oneness Pentecostals believe that our Heavenly Father can act and speak in the heavens while simultaneously acting and speaking on the earth as a true man after the incarnation took place. If Trinitarian theologians can think of an alleged omnipresent Son speaking and acting in heaven while He was simultaneously acting and speaking differently as a man on the earth, then it is not impossible to believe that the Father could speak and act in heaven while simultaneously speaking and acting differently on the earth as a man via His incarnation as the man Christ Jesus at the same time (John 14:7-10, 24). With man this is impossible, but with the omnipresent God, “all things are possible.”

The fullness of the God head is all in Him Jesus Christ

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

Jesus is God's Son, The fullness of God is in all of us who are God's sons(and daughters). Ephesians 3:19 "to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that *you may be filled with all the fullness of God."*

@bornagaindiscipleofchrist9164

2 жыл бұрын

@@OurHumbleLife way to twist the word. smh Jesus is God 100% There is only One God, there is none beside him. YOu can not add to it. not 3 persons but 1 God. Amen

@johnsonlalrinsanga4628

2 жыл бұрын

@@bornagaindiscipleofchrist9164 Just 1 verse from Revelation 1:1 ...which God gave unto him ... 'him' is Jesus. Then, who is 'God' here?

@iamfunnyipromise9605

Жыл бұрын

​@@johnsonlalrinsanga4628 When Jesus said the son can do nothing by himself or no one knows the hour, not even the SON but only the Father, that's the same idea as God giving Jesus the revelation in rev 1:1. We believe Jesus was God manifested as a true human being, while still retaining all of his divine glory. The man Christ Jesus could not do miracles of himself, as a true human being, but got the powers to do the miracles from his own divine spirit "It pleased the Father to have all his fullness dwell in him" and "In him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead". We recognize Jesus as both the ROOT OF DAVID, the author of life, but also as the OFFSPRING OF DAVID, the lamb of God, the Messiah. He is both GOD and THE LAMB, but still one person. "THE THRONE of GOD and of the LAMB will be within the city, and HIS servants will worship HIM. They will see HIS face, and HIS name will be on their foreheads. Revelation 22:3‭-‬4

@Bolagh

7 ай бұрын

@@OurHumbleLifeTo have the Fulness of God, you must have Jesus Christ. Col 2:9-10

God is a spirit , Jesus is God manifest , robed , clothed in flesh. Jesus was the Father in Creation , Son in Redemption , Holy Ghost in Regeneration , but ONE PERSON , I'm a son, husband, father , preacher , singer , musician , etc. etc. etc. , but ONE PERSON !!!

@angieh4534

5 жыл бұрын

Does your head explode at the baptism of Jesus?

@tobychellin2323

5 жыл бұрын

Can you, being a father and son, can they interacted with each other? Can "father" John talk to "son" john?

@iCaptainOG

Жыл бұрын

@@tobychellin2323 😂😂😂

@keithevans6846

Ай бұрын

Jesus is not the Father. nor is He the Holy Spirit

I would definitely be fasting for one of these

Theophilus of Antioch is one of my favorite persons to cite. My book "Philo's Trinity" connects Theophilus directly with the beliefs of the first century Jewish Greek philosopher "Philo of Alexandria." Mr. Morrison does not touch at all on where Theophilus, the first to mention the word trinity, got his idea. His idea came from Greek philosophy and mysticism, sine Philo was also a mystic.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+approvedofGod I just wrote a 25 page booklet proving that the Semi-Arian founding fathers of the Trinity doctrine were all influenced by Greek Philosophy while the Oneness Modalists rejected philosophy. I also proved historically that the Modlistic Monarchians greatly outnumbered the Semi-Arians and emerging Semi-Trinitarians in the early days of Christianity. Origen admitted it in the East (Origen's Commentary of John, Book 1:23) and Tertullian in the West (Against Praxeus 3). The booklet with the accompanying video should be posted in about one week at ApostolicChristianFaith .com and on this KZread Channel.

@approvedofGod

8 жыл бұрын

That is awesome! Again, congrats on your debates. It is my prayer that one day all Christians will believe only in the oneness of God.

Very well explained the Oneness of God

I love how quick the trinitarians are to use other writings other than the Bible to prove their points ....smh

@johnarevalo3450

4 жыл бұрын

Dalton, that simply isn't true. However I can tell u that when I present a ton of scripture of the obvious distinctions within the Trinity, the oneness Pentecostals like to reject scripture with scripture. U cannot do that. If u were to take a person who knows nothing of religion or the bible and present them with text, they would not see the doctrine view. Even a 5 year old can read john 3 16 and see it's a person sending another person

My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, (James 1:19 NIV)

This was fantastic to watch. Thank you for hosting and posting men with such gentle spirits. I think this quote by Steve Morrison pretty much sums up the difference between Trintarians and Oneness. "It's not so much that I, I guess, deny the truths or the scripture that Steven(Ritchie) says, but it's just that Steven denies the additional stuff." Amen Brother. Now overlay that understanding with Col 2:8 and your there.🙂 Thanks again. I really enjoyed it. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Mr. Morrison has a kind spirit, he's intimidated by by brother Ritchie, if you watch closely you can clearly see Morrison has a eyebrow tic,its a nervous disorder. I fell moved with compassion for Mr.Morrison a very kind and meek man.Bless him Lord give him spiritual eyes.😇

@greeneyedlizardking

Жыл бұрын

The guy on the left has a tick because he is a false teacher .

Some places Jesus is speaking and in some places Gods spirit is speaking through Jesus.

Hey I was wondering if you could do a video on the Nephilem. I believe the Sethite veiw of it instead of fallen Angel's. I'm curious of how you may interpret Gen. 6:4

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

I believe that the sons of God were fallen angels. See this link beginning at 30:18 kzread.info/dash/bejne/m5uOp62mpMfVj9Y.html

@markforsythe1916

5 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 I watched that. I'll have to pray about that one. Theres just not enough spoken there to convince either side I guess. It doesn't seem feasible for God to allow (angels) to breed with humans. This would create another type of creation or entity. If they were fallen, then why would they be called sons. If they were not fallen, I definantly cant understand a reason for that in no way. I do understand that if it was a Sethite veiw, there off spring could have been tyrants, famous, mighty people who would have sought after there own glory in earthly accomplishments instead of looking to God. Inter marrying unbelievers could have had much more effect than some other type of entity being created...on another note you impress me on your teachings of oneness. I'm a oneness apostolic. My Grandfather used to debate the Church of Christ on the nature of God. Anyways when I look at the plan of God from befor the world, I struggle to understand the fallen angel veiw but I'll pray, and I really do appreciate your time in responding l. God bless

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

@@markforsythe1916 - The body of Christ will never agree on many non-foundational issues, but it is essential that we believe the six foundational firist principles of Christ's doctrine as listed in Hebrews 6:1-2 which includes "Faith towards God," "the doctrine of baptisms", "repentance from dead works", "laying on of hands," and "eternal judgment." These things we all must agree upon. Lord bless!

@gene6275

Жыл бұрын

One simple question. If the son's of God were in fact the bloodline of Seth and they were so good, why did they need to die in the flood?It was the last verse of Genesis chapter 4 where after the birth of Seth's son Enosh, men began to profane the name of God. You can believe the very wrong KJV English translation or you can research it yourself. The blue letter bible is free.

Didn’t Jesus himself say he came down from heaven not to do his own will but the will of him who sent him...Jesus also speaking with his followers said they were of the earth but that he was from heaven.

Brother Ritchie, thanks Iam happy to hear the debates win souls.Mr Morrison lacks passion. Have you ever debated a charismatic. I find them very annoying at times and frustrating,however I don't deny they have the baptism of the Holyspirit. Have a blessed day heading to Church POCC happy hattabaugh. P.S I have some?I would appreciate your opinion on.

the video stops for me at 1 hr 27 mins in and I cant finish it. anyone else have this problem?

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Dave Biddle No one has ever had a problem. I just checked the video and it kept playing after 1 hour and 27 minutes. I will ask our webmaster why you may be having this problem. Sometimes I notice that KZread videos turn black and say error. Just leave the page and go back again. If that doesn't work, try shutting off your computer and turning it on again. Please let us know if you keep having a problem because we want everyone to be able to view it.

@dsbiddle

8 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries It seems to be working fine. Must have been something with my phone. Thank you so much for your diligence. Steve Ritchie continues to do such phenomenal work in providing an assertive, direct, and effective presentation on the nature of God and Christ.

Wait, you're saying that the Holy Spirit "became the *human* spirit of Christ"? Am I hearing that correctly?

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Hebrews 1:3 informs us that the Son of God is "the brightness of his glory and the express image of his person..." "Express image" is translated from the Greek word "charakter" which means a "copied image" from the Father's "Essence of Being" - "hypostasis" (Heb. 1:3). Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:35 inform us that it was the Holy Spirit's Essence of Being from which Christ "came out from God" (Matthew 1:20; John 16:27-28; John 17:8). "I came out from God. I came forth from the Father." John 17:26-27 "I came out from you." John 17:8

Thanks for answering my questions. Now in your opinion does it really really matter whether a Christian was born-again within a Trinitarian or Unitarian church? i.e Are both saved, since both can testify of the power of salvation, deliverence, baptism in the Holy Spirit etc. Will both spend eternity with the Lord? I'm just wondering why all these debates takes place being as God has chosen to bless both denominations. Also you'll find members from both these churches do not even no anything about unitarianism or trinitarism - they just know they're saved, because they've repented, baptised, sanctified, filled and living for Jesus. [By the way I'm referring to the Pentecostal churches in this case].

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Follower of Truth I grew up in a dry denominational church that caused me to turn from faith in God. When I was 19 and in the Marines, I was searching for answers and meaning to life. The southern Baptists helped me to have faith in God but I knew that I was not saved by merely repeating a prayer. In fact, I was very discouraged when they told me I had the Holy Spirit because I thought that there would be some kind of supernatural experience or something. To make a long story short, I prayed with tears that God would show me the truth. Two weeks after that the Lord sent a Oneness believer who shared water baptism in Jesus name and the infilling of the Spirit. When I received the Baptism of the Spirit with tongues I have never been the same since. I was able to give up the rock music and found it easy and enjoyable to pray. Later on I met Spirit filled believers in the Assembly of God and others. I was very confused that others had the same Spirit but taught incorrectly. The Lord revealed everything to me in time but I have not the time nor the space to say everything in this forum. I posted my testimony and an article entitled, "Why God Speaks To Other Pentecostals?" You can view my testimony (under Testimonies) and my book on line at ApostolicChristianFaith.com Jesus said that the foremost commandment of all is to know that God is One. He cited the Shema (Deut. 6:4). Jesus also said, "If you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins (John 8:24)." Therefore it is essential that we believe in our only true God the Father as that One God and that Jesus is that God who became a man in order to save us. That is why we need to be baptized into the name above all names (Jer. 23:5-6; John 17:11; Philippians 2:9; Hebrews 1:4; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:48; Acts 19:5; Romans 6:1-5; Galatians 3:26-28). I am an avid reader of church history and have found that all of the Christian writers who addressed water baptism believed that it was necessary for salvation and for the forgiveness of sins. I had two debates on water baptism which can be viewed on this web channel. The scriptural and historical evidence is overwhelmingly in support of our view that water baptism is necessary through faith in Christ Jesus. In His Love, Steve R.

@greeneyedlizardking

Жыл бұрын

No acts 2:38 Jesus name baptism no heaven . Acts238 the only Jesus name baptism . Obey it

@kevinevans8892

Жыл бұрын

​@@greeneyedlizardkingwe're saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-9). You are teaching baptismal regeneration which is a Catholic doctrine

1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV) 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

@josephho6712

7 жыл бұрын

God manifested his Word in the flesh and not himself in the flesh. Jesus is the Word of God is he not. So he is not God but God's Son. Read Matthew 3:17 and 17:5. God said Jesus is his son and not himself. Twice God affirms Jesus is his Son. In God's own words, read the bible yourself and dont fall for preachers' own theology of false doctrine.

@wolfuntergrund4969

7 жыл бұрын

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

@wolfuntergrund4969

7 жыл бұрын

The Father and the Son 16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

The interaction phase is the most awaited in any debate.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Gen 2:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 12:7 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.Mark 3:28-30 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matt 12:28

I have a? about Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,,,,,,, so if father , son , Holy Spirit u think is anyone image like a spirit in human?

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Your question is ambiguous. Since God is an invisible Spirit, we know that man is made in the image of God with one human spirit. Therefore God must be one individual rather than three divine persons.

@johnarevalo3450

4 жыл бұрын

Vili, God is Elohim. Therefore he say, Let US make man in OUR image.

dosent matter what school, video, degrees..yadayadayada...what matters is any of these men keeping the commandments? the sabbath day? the feasts days? the dietary laws?

@mikef6063

Жыл бұрын

I hope they are not, since the New Testament clearly tells us those things are not carried over into New Covenant times

1 cor 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. Why it doesn't not said (even the deep of Hin self) what i see here is the Holy Ghost search in God wich is also a Spirit .

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Misael R Negron, The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit in two distinct manifestations of His activity. The Holy Spirit is God as God the Father and Emmanuel God with us in His new human manifestation via virgin conception and birth as God with us as man. Trinitarians cannot explain how an alleged omniscient (All-Knowing) God the Holy Spirit Person cam be said to "search" "the deep things of God" while being All-Knowing, omniscient, and coequal? The only logical explanation is that "the Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17) who searches the deep things of God in His new human manifestation of his existence. In like manner, Romans 8:26-27 (BSB) says, "the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:9 and Romans 8:34 in context prove that it is "Christ who now intercedes for us." How exactly can an alleged non incarnate God the Holy Spirit Person be said to "intercede (pray) for the saints according to the will of God" while remaining Almighty and coequal? Can God as God really intercede (pray) to God? The only viable explanation which brings harmony to all of the scriptural data is that "the Spirit of Christ" is "the Spirit of God" in His new human mode/manifestation of His existence who is now our only mediator between God and men as the man Christ Jesus (1 Tim. 2:5).

@Chris85.

3 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 Stop your nonsense.. Jeremiah 17:10 says "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." Jeremiah 17:10 So you mean to say that here in this passage, Yahweh is not God since He searches humans heart?

@_Moses_The_Servant

8 ай бұрын

​​​@@Chris85.Jeremiah 17:10 KJV - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. You sound absolutely foolish!!!! Never did he claim the Holy Spirit is not Yehovah a single time!!!! That's the problem with Trinitarians, you want to be right so bad, you refuse to STOP and read!!!! He clearly said the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of the Fathers own Spirit in action that became the Lord Jesus Christ's own Spirit. What doesn't your brain understand? Jeremiah 17:10 DOES NOT prove your point!!!! In fact, in order for there to be one LORD, as the LORD is the Old Testament covenant name of the God, that means that God the Son also searches the rein of hearts!!!! Meaning you either claim your God the Son is another Spirit that tag team searches my heart or is one Spirit!!!!

Saul aka Paul ask a rethorical question, what advantage does the Jew have?chiefly that unto them were commited the oracles of God,(word of God) as well as the revelation of one God,Paul also warned of grievous Wolfe's entering among you,not sparing the flock. Acts20:28 God purchased the Church with his own blood.The Bible clearly states God is a spirit,do spirits have blood?Luke 1:38 And Mary said be it unto me!!!

Understanding the Oneness theology to be exact, the One God who is the one Spirit existed eternally as one unseen divine person but with his first self revelation as a Logos/Word(pre-SON) as an audible revelation that also caused all things being created. Logos the self revelation of one person of unseen God, Logos was a preform/pre-status of the Son as the manifestation of one person of God that later became a human form in the personality of Christ Jesus. Logos as a Word can be understood as an audible manifestation but scripturally the Logos can be mean appearing as a great Light(glory of God), as related. thesame manifestation of God. Jesus is the light and lamp of the world.

3rd heaven...no persons dwell in the Father's kingdom,but a person can fly to the 2nd heaven

The historical evidence proves that Oneness Modalism was once the predominant view among the earliest Christians who were the only Christians believing in the deity of Christ before Trinitarian theology was developed.Tertullian admitted that the Modalistic Monarhcians were “ALWAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE FAITHFUL” in the West and Origen admitted that the Modalistic Monarchians were “THE GENERAL RUN OF CHRISTIANS” in the East. Tertullian wrote in his book “Against Praxeus” chapter 3 (Praxeus was a Oneness Modalist),“For all THE SIMPLE PEOPLE, that I say not the thoughtless and ignorant, WHO ARE ALWAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE FAITHFUL … ARE STARTLED AT THE DISPENSATION OF THREE IN ONE. THEY CLAIM THAT THE PLURALITY AND ORDINANCE OF TRINITY IS A DIVISION OF UNITY …” Tertullian, Against Praxeus, Chapter 3 was written somewhere between 195-225 AD. Tertullian clearly stated, “THEY WHO ARE ALWAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE FAITHFUL (Christians) rejected “THE PLURALITY AND ORDINANCE OF TRINITY” (Against Praxeus 3).The famed Eastern Orthodox Historian, Jaroslav Pelikan, admitted that Tertullian’s statement in Against Praxeus (chapter 3) proves that,“… the Modalistic Monarchians” were “the simple people … who are always the majority of the faithful.” The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition, Vol. 1, Pg. 177 Origen’s wrote in his Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book 1, Chapter 23,“… I WONDER AT THE STUPIDITY OF THE GENERAL RUN OF CHRISTIANS (the Christian majority) IN THIS MATTER. I do not mince matters; it is nothing but stupidity … THEY PROCEED DIFFERENTLY AND ASK, WHAT IS THE SON OF GOD WHEN CALLED THE WORD? THE PASSAGE THEY EMPLOY IS THAT IN THE PSALMS, ‘MY HEART HAS PRODUCED A GOOD WORD;’ AND THEY IMAGINE THE SON TO BE THE UTTERANCE OF THE FATHER DEPOSITED, as it were, in syllables … THEY DO NOT ALLOW HIM … ANY INDEPENDENT HYPOSTASIS (substance of Being), nor are they clear about His essence. I do not mean that they confuse its qualities, but the fact of His having an essence of His own (Origen’s view). For NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND (among “the general run of Christians”) HOW THAT WHICH IS SAID TO BE THE WORD CAN BE A SON. AND SUCH AN ANIMATED WORD, NOT BEING A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THE FATHER (Origen’s view) … God the Word IS A SEPARATE BEING AND HAS AN ESSENCE OF HIS OWN.” Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John, Book 1, Chapter 23 Origen was denying the Nicene Creed before it was written by saying that Jesus “has an essence of his own” rather than being the same essence “homousias” as the Father. Thus Origen who described his Christian opponents as “the general run of Christians” believed that the Word (Logos) is “… the utterance of the Father deposited” who is the same “substance” as the Father. Hence, Origen’s Modalist opponents were saying that the Word that was made flesh is the Father’s word (logos) rather than a distinct God the Word Person. Also notice that Origen contrasts his teaching from the Modalists by saying, “and that the word” (logos) is “a separate entity from the Father” and “is a separate Being and has an ESSENCE OF HIS OWN.” Origen further wrote that the Modalists were among the multitudes of believers calling Jesus the Most High God while the Semi-Arian tendencies of Origen denied Christ’s full deity. “Grant that there may be some individuals among the multitudes of believers who are not in entire agreement with us, and who incautiously assert that the Savior is the Most High God; however, we do not hold with them, but rather believe Him when He says, ‘The Father who sent Me is greater than I.’” Contra Celsus 8:14We can clearly see that the Modalists believed that the Son is the same “hypostasis” (substance of Being) as the Father, while Origen and his Semi-Arian followers denied the Son’s “substance of Being” to be the same as the Father’s. Therefore the Modalists were upholding the later Nicene Creed long before it was written. In contradistinction, Origen and other Semi-Arians like him were teaching that the “animated word” is “a separate entity from the Father.” If I said to a Trinitarian Apologist that “the general run of Christians” in the twenty first century are now Oneness Modalists, I would be rightly accused of lying. Yet when Origen as an enemy of the Modalists admitted that “the general run of Christians” were Modalists within the early third century (200-253 AD), they assume that “the general run of Christians” must have meant something else. For Trinitarians are willfully ignorant of both the scriptural evidence and the historical evidence which exposes their error. Before the Trinity doctrine was fully developed, there was a tremendous reaction to the development of the Semi-Arian doctrine of men like Justin, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Clement of Alexandria, and of Origen. Sabellius and other Modalists successfully persuaded the majority of the churches to believe in Modalistic Monarchianism in their opposition to the emerging Semi-Arian theology. From John Henry Newman’s Book, Arians of the Fourth Century, Chapter 1, Section 5, Under Sabellianism.The context of chapter 1, Section 5A (Page 118) prove that the “speculations” of “Praxeus” “remained alive in that part of the world, though latent [Note 3 - Tertull. in Prax.], till they burst into a flame about the middle of the third century, at the eventful era when the rudiments of Arianism were laid by the sophistical school at Antioch.” Here the author states that “speculations” about the teachings of Praxeus “remained alive in that part of the world” (Egypt and North Africa) before bursting out into a flame in the middle of the third century in reaction to the form of Semi-Arian theology that predated the theology of Arius. Now if the theology of Praxeus “remained alive” within the hearts and minds of the Christian majority, then these Christians could not have been Trinitarian in their thinking. The context of chapter 1, Section 5B (Page 119) proves that the Sabellian theology “became so popular among the clergy already prepared for it … that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) ‘The Son of God was SCARCELY PREACHED IN THE CHURCHES.” Here is the quote in its full context: “Sabellius, from whom the heresy has since taken its name. He was a bishop or presbyter in Pentapolis, a district of Cyrenaica, included within the territory afterwards called, and then virtually forming, the Alexandrian Patriarchate. Other bishops in his neighborhood adopting his sentiments, his doctrine became so popular among a clergy already prepared for it, or hitherto unpractised in the necessity of a close adherence to the authorized formularies of faith, that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) "the Son of God was scarcely preached in the Churches." Trinitarian Catholic Historian Henry Newman clearly stated, “his doctrine (the context proves ‘Sabellius’) became so popular among a clergy already prepared for it, or hitherto unpractised in the necessity of a close adherence to the authorized formularies of faith, that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) "the Son of God was scarcely preached in the Churches." Now if the later early fourth century Athanasian idea of the Son of God “was scarcely preached in the Churches” then that would mean that the Trinitarian idea was “scarce” and that the Modalist idea was “so popular among the clergy” at that time. Therefore Henry Newman admitted that the Modalists were predominant within the mid third century and that the later Athanasian idea of the Son of God was “scarcely preached in the Churches.” Videos on this KZread Channel and on our web site: ApostolicChristianFaith .com

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

You just copied and pasted a portion of Edward Dalcour's book (A Definitive Look At Oneness Theology). I know because I just read that book. The so called "colossal amount of historical evidence" only shows that the Roman Catholic Church burned the writings of the Modalistic Monarchians who outnumbered the Semi-Arians / Semi- Trinitarians in both the East (Origen called them "the general run of Chrisitans" Commentary of Gospel of John, book 1:23) and in the West (Tertullian addressed them that "always make up the majority of believers" - Against Praxeus 3). That is why you have more Christian writings that have survived to quote to back up a prior Semi Arian / Semi Trinitarian theology before the Trinity doctrine was fully developed.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew 28:19 must mean one name because the apostles and evangelists always baptized in the singular name of Jesus Christ throughout the book of Acts.

Karin says since it has gone down so far she wants to stay diversified 😳🤯. She's having trouble with the draw down. So I stack sats 😂

The definition of distinct is 'separate'. 🤷‍♂️

For you to teach the trinity is to teach not only false doctrine but teach catholic doctrine. God is a Spirit not a person. Deut. 6:4 Hear Oh Israel the Lord our God is One Lord.

@LSPNUEMA

7 жыл бұрын

Ken Taylor I know many trinitarians would not extend to me the courtesy, as a child of God, that I have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, but I will extend trinitarians that love, even though they don't understand the revelation of the Word (Logos) of God.

1 corinthians 15:26-28

Jesus Christ did not come in the Flesh as Jesus Christ but he become in the Flesh as YHWH.

The guy on the left seems like a car salesman , confusing car salesman . The guy on the right seems like He is the teacher of the Bible . You can tell He has read the Bible and knows it . Student on the left , teacher on the right .

God is one unity, 1 unit..The God-consisting of three persons,The father, son, The Holy Spirit, are in relationship, communion.. 1 man & 1 woman become 1 flesh, the woman dose not become the man, the man does not become the woman, yet they’re one flesh, one unit/unity ..

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Your saying that God as God is two people like one man and one woman are two persons united in marriage. Are you prepared to say that God has two divine minds, two divine wills, and two divine centers of personal self consciousness? If so, then your view of God is an unscriptural Ditheistic view. The Scriptures affirm that our only true God is our Heavenly Father (John 17:3; Ephesians 4:4-6) and that the man Christ Jesus is the only visible image of our only true God in full human existence (1 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 1:3; Col. 1:15; John 14:7-9) that we will ever see. For our One true God (the Father) also became one true man (Son) in order to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:23). Only the miraculous nature of our omnipresent Heavenly Father can become a true man while never having to vacate heaven or His divine attributes in order to do so.

Well done Ritchie this was sound doctrine, though I had one problem why do people think Jesus went to hell for 3 days to get the keys of hades? I see 1 peter 3:18-20 used to justify this though? Jesus went straight to heaven it says(Luke 23:43 - the thief on the cross), I believe 1 peter 3:18-20 is indicating the 8 people that where saved on the ark. Do you think God needs 3 days to get a key from Satan? no he can get it straight away it doesn't make sense. They use 1 peter 3:18/20 but don't realise the 8 should that where saved where Noah and his family which where 8 in total in the day mankind for the first time was sentenced to death by water. But next judgement they are going to need the living water that flows from heaven to save them from the fire.

@NCSiebertdesign

Жыл бұрын

I think people have misconception of Jesus went to "hell" or more of hades where people who died unsaved but days isn't relevant to how long jesus was there because there are no time passing in spiritual realm. 3 days are for a reason because in Jewish culture, they believe that a person is truly dead after 3 days they pass away because there has been cases when a person passed away but isn't really dead yet during 3 days and came back alive due to certain unusual medical conditions. That's why they had tomb for it. Look at Lazarus for an example when Jesus was "too late" to save Lazarus from being dead as he was 3 days late to heal or keep him alive but still raised him to life from dead. Therefore 3 days period was to prove that Jesus in form of man was truly dead and was able to be resurrected to life. Otherwise you know Jewish authorities are very skeptical of Jesus being the true Messiah and will accused Him of pretending to be dead if he was to be raised to life before 3 days period are over.

awesome thanks for the 4-1-1 thanks for the 411 pS I think you could beat that guy in an arm wrestling match pS I think you could beat that guy in an arm wrestling match and you definitely won that debate.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Barmey Roberts Winning souls to the truth of the gospel is my only motive. I'm preparing for another live debate on March 6th. The Spirit told me that His elect would hear and obey!

The more Trinirarian explain Trinity they try become oneness... What so important and also bid problem is Trinity make Trinirarian baptize their believer in the name of Father, Son and holy Spirit while all the apostles and Believer got Baptize only in the name of Jesus.. Also while faith and Baptism should not be seperated they said only faith is enough for salvation... Trinirarian add some scripture also they remove/don't practice some scripture.. I wish you all to Believe and obey scripture as it said and don't let your view, idea corrupt scripture

No. the trinity is not taught as a doctrine in the bible, but is accepted as a concept based on scripture. Ritchie comes across as an intellectual, loud mouthed bully as opposed to someone in a debate about the differences.

UPC think that they are holier than everyone else so if you want to be saved then be a member of UPC oneness. They are in for a rude awakening when the trumpet sounds. Trinity makes more sense.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Christ in us makes us holy and righteous. One does not have to be a member of a particular church organization to be holy. Those who worship three coequal God Persons will be ashamed when our Savior returns.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

I am the Oneness Apologist in this video and I'm not affiliated with the UPC. Brother Talmadge French is a UPC minister with a PHD who documented over 30 million Oneness Apostolic believers worldwide. There are many more Oneness believers in the world than just the UPCI.

Feeeeew... Lol amen One God.... Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen (3 parts just like us, body, soul, and spirit) Water is also 3 parts ( water, ice, stream). To easy....lol amen Thank you Jesus!

@markgupton1313

3 жыл бұрын

Soul and spirit are used Intechangeably in Scripture. Water as ice or vapor is still water not 3 separate entities.

@michaeltg2922

3 жыл бұрын

@@markgupton1313 God is 3 in 1. Father.... Son.... Holy Spirit... Amen

Jesus was a person who was saintly enough to have God's spirit inhabit him. As messiah he would be Saintly on a level far above David and soloman and Aaron and Moses so much so that God would feel at home spiritually joined with jesus. But Jesus spirit was separate from God as a man.

I and the Father are One if you have seen you've seen the Father

@josephho6712

7 жыл бұрын

I and the Father are One in Spirit or One in accord but not the same One. This is the mistakes of most interpretations.

Human spirit?...Where in the bible can you find human spirit?..

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

The first scripture that comes to mind is Ecclesiastes 3:21 which says "the spirit of man goes upward." The word "human" does not appear in most translations but the word man means the same thing as hu-MAN.

I am a believer in the Oness of the Godhead, but I don't agree with the term modalism in describing Oness theology. Modalism is commonly thought of amongst trinitarians as God wearing different masks (one right after another), which is a false representation of not only God, but the theology held by people like myself. I believe God is well capable of being the Father, simultaneously hupostasised in the flesh as the Son, and is in His own nature, the Holy Spirit active in the lives of believers OT or NT, and while He is carrying on those titles, He is well capable of hearing prayers of multiple people simultaneously, all the while holding the sun, the moon, the stars into place. I am supplied constantly with oxygen by His ability to maintain the Word of His power in everything He created....oh, and I'm still attached to earth by reason of gravity which He remembers to keep on for us. Trinity or polytheism or even the misunderstanding of modalism from early church history known as Sabellianism confines the Godhead to a triangle diagram, a triangular box, a box to put God in nonetheless, which is foolish.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother for your interesting comments. I agree with everything you said except for the meaning of "modalism." I have been reading and studying church history since I was in my twenties and have found that most of the writings of the earliest Christians who believed in Oneness from the mid second century through the fifth century were destroyed by the Roman Catholic Church. That is why we do not have the writings of the prominent Modalistic Monarchian leaders like Noetus, Praxeus, Epigonus, Cleomenes, Victor, Zephyrinus, and Callistus. I have documented the evidence to prove that the writings of the Oneness modalists were destroyed. I'm sure there were many more Oneness writings which were destroyed that we will never know about. Since all we have is the writings of our detractors, many purposefully distorted or misunderstood the early Oneness teaching (I have documented the evidence in Tertullian and Hippolytus) by falsely alleging that we believed that God the Father as the Father suffered and died on the cross (Patripassianism - Tertullian and Hippolytus ), while others misrepresented Sabellius in distorting his theology into sequential modalism: as if God could not simultaneously be the Father, Son, and Spirit at the same time. The idea of different masks is the same thing as sequential modalism. Trinitarian scholar Ray Shelton wrote in Early Theology of the Trinity: "Unfortunately, we cannot be sure of all of the details of Sabellius' position (because his writings were destroyed). One point that seems sure is that the traditional charge that he spoke of the Father, Son and Spirit as three prosopa, in the sense of masks or outward appearances, is erroneous. The term prosopon, as we noticed above, was used by Hippolytus to signify the otherness, or separate subsistence, of the Son from the Father, as revealed in the economy, and it is most unlikely that Sabellius used it with a diametrically opposite meaning. Indeed, Hippolytus clearly implies that for Callistus, whom he regarded as a Sabellian, the Godhead was but a single prosopon, that is, an individual or Person." Ray Shelton went on to write: "... when they discovered that the threefold element in God was designated by the Latin term persona (from Tertullian's writings), a word whose natural Greek equivalent was prosopon (mask), they understood this to mean that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were no more than symbolic names for the different roles that one God would play in his different activities. Thus instead of three persons, they took it to mean that there was one being who changed masks according to the role that was being played as God was acting as creator, as redeemer or as sanctifier." Wherefore, Sabellius and the Modalistic Monarchians never taught that God existed sometimes as the Father, and sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit as "three masks." This terminology arose from a misunderstanding of the Latin word "persona" (used by Tertullian) when it was translated into Greek. The Greek speaking people erroneously misunderstood the word to mean "masks" rather than actual persons.

@LSPNUEMA

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that clarification. As I said, it is something trinitarians always lead with to mention masks and such. I've never heard of the term "sequential modalism", but that is exactly what God is not. I believe, if you will use the term of modalism to describe your Oness doctrine, then that should be carefully pointed out, that God can simultaneously take on any amount of roles He deem necessary according to His will or agenda. God bless you. Again, thanks for the clarity, I'll study more as well.

We were made in the image of God. Therefore Jesus is the only image there is of God. We were not made an invisible spirit but the image of him that was to come Jesus Christ. Now how many persons is Jesus?1 The reason why Jesus was praying to God was because if he did not follow the ways of God he would of break the same commandment that Adam and Eve broke and what was that sin that they wanet to be equal and like God thats how they were deceive by the devil. Although Jesus was God he did not break that commandment that Adam and Eve broke.Because if Jesus did brake it that would place God to be equal to some other God than God himself. That would be a contradiction in God. Because God said there is non like him and not another beside him.

U have to look at the total of scripture to see the obvious that God is Elohim. He is Triune. The bible reveals that the Father sends the Son. Through the Son we have reconciliation. Followed by the Spirit who sanctifies us

@mikef6063

Жыл бұрын

There is a total nonexistence of Scripture describing God as triune

Read hebrews chapater 1....that will tell you who the holy spirit is. man loves to put his own opinion on God's word instead of reading it and taken it at face value

Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of theLord, and Satan[a] standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” Who is this Angel of the Lord? Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and [e]Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to [f]Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Satan never got acces to the presence of God the Father ,this Lord in job is Jesus. Job 2:3 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there isnone like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, ((although you incited Me))) against him, to [a]destroy him without cause.” God the Father cant not be incited from nobody . Exodus 23:21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. He is Jehova Psalm 2:12 [i]Kiss the Son, lest [j]He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

The angel OF Yahweh is the messenger who was sent of Yahweh. If the angel of Yahweh was a coequal Yahweh God Person then he could not have been a pre-incarnate messenger OF Yahweh. For He who sends is greater than he who is sent. Job 1:6 is the "One Lord ... One Spirit ... One God and Father above all, through all, and in you all" (Ephesians 4:4-6). Show me a non-Christian Jewish Commentary where "the Lord" of Job 1 is another Lord distinct from God the Father (before the virgin conception)? Some Trinitarians have alleged that Exodus 23:21 proves that God sent a pre-incarnate Son as “an angel” to the Israelites because only God can pardon transgressions. However, the Hebrew Scriptures prove that God has angelic priests that minister in heaven on a much more transcendent level than any human priest who ever served on earth. The Old Testament Tabernacle and Temple was a copy of the original tabernacle and altar in heaven. For Hebrews 8:5 states: “They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven (NIV).” Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament.” Revelation 15:5, “After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is the Tabernacle of the Testimony was opened.” Isaiah 6:6, “Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the ALTAR. With it he touched my mouth and said, See, this has touched your lips; YOUR GUILT IS TAKEN AWAY AND YOUR SIN IS ATONED FOR.” The scriptures prove that the earthly sanctuary was made as “a copy and shadow of what is in heaven (Hebrews 8:5)”. Thus it is an undeniable fact that the angelic being who served in some sort of priestly manner at an ALTAR IN HEAVEN in Isaiah 6:6 had authority from God to “atone for sin” and “take guilt away”. Therefore it is logical to believe that the angel in Exodus 23:21 could also “pardon sin” without being a second God Person of an alleged Trinity..

who is jesus??back to bible 's words as much as we can when we preach,write books or sing songs.as non biblical words will tend creating confusion.such as:1. God the father, God the son,God the holy spirit.2.God in three persons.3. God died.4.The Father died for us..5.Mary is the mother of God..6.we have one God the Father,the Son, the holy Ghost...all these terms are not in the bible n will become very difficult to give logical answers when people use those terms...say number 6.. for there is one God and one mediator between God n men, the man christ Jesus ( 1 tim 2:5).if we accomodate number 6, it will look like this: for there is one God the Father,the Son,the Holy Ghost and one mediator between God n men, the man christ Jesus ...hence the best is to humbly use the sound words written in the bible..we could not explain god in details since we r humans,those are written are sufficient for us to carry us to heaven.. if i ask pertaining to human,do u think with your brain or with your heart? jesus says : out of the heart proceed evil thoughts..mat 15:18. it will be difficult to answer, let alone about God in details...halleluyah- praise yahweh..jesus=yashua=yahweh saves..by calling upon jesus we have already called upon the name of Yahweh.

This oneness take a lot of text out of context to prove Jesus is the same Person as Holy Spirit.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

Misael R Negron, What Divine Spirit "came down from heaven" (John 6:38) upon the Hebrew virgin to manifest Himself in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16) in full human existence (Heb. 2:17)? Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:20 states that it was the Holy Spirit who became incarnate. Yet Jesus prayed in John 17:8, saying, "I came out from You." And again, Jesus said in John 16:27-28, "I came out from God. I came forth from the Father." Here we can clearly see that Jesus came out from the Essence of Being of the Father's Divine Person from the Father's Holy Spirit who came down from heaven. Heb. 1:3 says that the Son is "the brightness of His glory (the Father's) and the express image of His Person (the Father's Hypostasis - Being/Person)." "Express Image" is translated from "charakter" in Greek which means an express copy or reproduction from an original. Matthew 1:20 uses the Greek preposition "ek" to show that the Son of God who was conceived in the virgin was "copied/reproduced" "out of ("ek") the Holy Spirit." Here we can see that Jesus was copied or reproduced from the Father's Hypostasis (Essence of Being - Holy Spirit) as a fully complete human being. Now if the Trinitarian view was correct, the scriptures should say that Jesus came out of an alleged Timeless God the Son rather than from the Spirit of his Father. Therefore the totality of the sciptural data proves Oneness. For there is only One true God as our Heavenly Father who also entered into our world as a genuine human being who could pray, be tempted, and suffer and die for our sins.

@misaelrivera4000

5 жыл бұрын

John 6:38 is the Son of God as a son of man not the Holly Spirit.

@misaelrivera4000

5 жыл бұрын

Hebrew 2:14 Because God’s children are human beings-made of flesh and blood-the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had[g] the power of death. The Son .not the Holy Spirit.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

No text says that the Son became flesh and blood. Luke 1:35 clearly states that the son is called the son because of his virgin conception via the Holy Spirit. The titles, "Son of God" and "Son of man" are post incarnational titles for the man Christ Jesus. For God as God is not a son of God and God as God is not a son of mankind. John 14:23 speaks of two manifestations of God's indwelling Holy Spirit. We know God as God the Father and God's new manifestation of Himself as a son who makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God (Rom. 8:27). God as God the Father cannot make intercession for the saints, but Emmanuel God with us as a man can make intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. John 14:26 does not say "as my representative." That is adding to God's word. John 14:26 is problematic for Trinitarians because an alleged third coequal God the Holy Spirit cannot advocate/mediate to God. For God as God does not pray, advocate, or mediate to God. It is only as a man that Christ Jesus is our only advocate/mediator to God. John 14:26 brings harmony to the scriptures when we realize that Jesus is our only "advocate/mediator" to God the Father. Hence, Jesus is the indwelling Holy Spirit who intercedes as our only advocate/mediator to God the Father. Jesus often spoke of the mysteries of the Kingdom of God in parables, puzzles, or riddles (John 16:25) to hide his true divine identity (Isaiah 45:15 - "Truly you are a God who hides Himself, O God of Israel, the Savior") as the Father in genuine and full human existence.

@misaelrivera4000

5 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries you guys belive in another trinity ,i think you make a bad interpretation on what is a manifestation, God the Father , The only Son of God the Father and the Holy Sirit are not manifestation. This ia a manifestation; an event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something, especially a theory or an abstract idea. The fruit of the Spirit are a manifestation of a Person The fire the cloud in the temple are manifestation of sombody (person)wish it's God .

Zion City of God1 second ago I do not speak in behalf of any religious organization. This is my personal opinion. Let's the Lord Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ: clear the matter of God the Father: 33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. 35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. 38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “ ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.” 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet. Matthew 21 This parable above, is translated in contemporary English in a well known translation of the Bible. In the first verse, It looses in my opinion, the essence of the message of the Godly Mistery that Jesus of Nazareth, wants to convey to His followers. Word by word, translation of the first verse of the most correct Spanish translation, use by most Spanish Pentecostal churches is: 33- Hear another parable: There was a man, father of a family, who planted a vineyard, He built a fence around it, dug a wine press, built a tower, rented it to some farmers, and went far away. We know that our Lord Jesus of Nazareth the Christ, spoke in parables only to The Twelve, and all faithful followers. Those who truly belong to the kingdom of God on earth, or his Kingdom in Heaven, are always commanded to "hear". for God is their Commander in Chief. Example: " Hear ye Heavens !" speaking to His armies in the Heavens, who already have overcome and are His, "give ear ye earth" (inviting those who have not yet officially become part of his armies in heaven or earth to listen to his invitation. In my opinion, since this is a parable to be understood only for the faithful followers the proper word to use is "hear" as it is used in the Spanish Translation. The Lord was teaching his followers a Godly Mistery, he was teaching them a part of the history of the earth, and the character and gender of his owner "a man, father of a family" His disciples were hearers. How do we know this? They knew how to answer after He questioned them. Usually the scribes and pharisees who were mostly "listeners", rarely understood Him, and never knew how to answered HIm. The Restored Church of the Lord, even the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter -Day Saints, is the only Church, who worships the True God of the Old and New Testament in all ways , and not the God of the Counsel of Nicaea, designed to please the Emperor Constantine, and retained by the Reformists then, and until this day by all their splinters over the face of the earth. Jesus of Nazareth Commands us to Love the Lord, Elohim, the All Mighty and Omnipotent God of Israel, with all our hearts, minds, and strength. The first commandment in reference to God, of the Higher Law given to the Church of the Wilderness in Sinai, remains the same for the Latter Day Israel. The true Latter-Day Israel, has the same Ecclesiastical Organization as the Primitive Church did, in it's midst is found The Melchizedek Priesthood which is the Authority and Power of God for the Administration of his kingdom on earth; also is found the Atonement of Christ for it is his atoning blood the one that washes away our sins, heals the wounds, bruises and stripes we receive from sin; we also found in His Church, The First Comforter, The Holy Ghost, and the Gift of the Holy Ghost, for The Holy Ghost or Spirit of The Lord, is the Purifier, and Sanctifier of God's people, is the one that removes the stains, tyrannies and taint of sin;it is also found in his Church, His Holy House The Temple, w/o it Israel, is not Israel, it is also found the Second Comforter, a testimony of the Resurrection of Christ, tens of thousands who truly seek Him can attest to this, true seekers of Christ, come to Him, and come to know Him, they are no longer just followers, He is their Friend, and they are His; Israel also has two heads, a Living Everlasting Head in Heaven, Jesus of Nazareth The Christ, The Word of God, and the intermediary between the Holy Man in Heaven and men; a mortal head, the Lord's prophet even Thomas S. Monson, trough whom The Lord, the Word of God, speaks to God's kingdom on earth. Only a Church of the Lord under apostasy, wonders w/o a Head prophet. A church w/o all of the above, is an organization in error. When we become members of God's kingdom on earth, the only agenda one should bring in, is to seek Christ earnestly, and find Him. All prophets teach us how can that be achieved. We must not emulate the farmers of the parable above, and stone, and kill his prophets, apostles, and any other righteous servant male or female, if we do, our end will be the same as this farmers in the story. Heavenly Father, Elohim, the Owner of the earth, mention many times in the Scriptures as the Holy Man in Heaven, and Jesus of Nazareth The Christ, identifying Himself as the Son of Man, (caps since He is an exalted being). Elohim the Almighty God of Israel, when He addresses a mortal man, that is not exalted yet in the Heavens, he uses "son of man" like he calls Ezekiel. Heavenly Father, the Great, Omnipotent Elohim, according to the Book of Revelation, He shall come with his Christ, Messiah. For what purpose? To crown his Son, at the Grand Wedding Feast as a King of kings, and Lord of lords for his Millennial Kingdom. The Christ shall not, by any means whatsoever crown Himself, Elohim his Father, is coming to do it so as his own full exalted flesh person entity,. Isn't that the way it is suppose to be in any kingdom? A father or a mother in government power, usually crowns the heir/heiress? Elohim is Jehovah, His Son is Jehovah. Jehovah is a title of nobility in the Kingdom of Heaven, just like Prince/princess of Wales, title is carried by a father/mother in government power, and the son/daughter heirs of the crown in the Kingdom of Great Britain. We must ask the Lord in prayer to open our eyes that we may be able to know, when the Scriptures are referring to Jehovah the Father, Elohim, and when they are referring to Jehovah the Son of Man. The Son of Man, is equal to His Father in all things, except in Authority. The Son of Man is subjected to the Authority of His Father, the Holy Man in Heaven. May the Lord inspire every one who reads this comments, to pray for their eyes to be open and understand the true message of this parable, and seek to come into his kingdom on this earth, while the whistle of the celestial train is still blowing, calling from every station that has been established, and shall be established over the face of the earth until the due time of the Lord which is at hand. In the name of Jesus of Nazareth the Christ. Amen

A nutter lol, I wonder how many people leave the Greco Roman trinity, as a result of these debates, and get rebaptised in the name of the one who purchased the Church with his own blood.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

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a person cant dwell in heaven

I debated Steven a long time ago on KZread and he's still making the same mistakes and strawman arguments.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

You cannot point out a single thing I said which was not scriptural. Nor can you point out any so called "straw man argument."

@andys3035

5 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 At 1:18:00 - 1:18:22 you state that using the word "persons" is adding to the divine revelation and then you use the word "individual". This would be doing the very thing you accuse Mr. Morrison of. You still also say "God person" which is not an exact representation of the Trinity. God is a being, which is what he is, a person is who he is identified as. It's using 2 different terms sandwiched together as one meaning and it isn't accurate. There are others but this is the point of the debate where I'm at.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

@@andys3035 The word "Individual" is in harmony with the totality of the inspired scriptures because God repeatedly said that He is "One" God as an "I" and "Me" rather than an alleged plurality of divine persons. God repeatedly said that He is One Lord without ever saying "we are three" and so forth.

@andys3035

5 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 individual is implicit by use of those pronouns and the plurality is implicit if not direct in both the new and old testaments but you won't allow for that? And it's clear God is one, Trinitarians are monotheists. The issue is has God revealed himself as a plurality and I say yes, the bible gives evidence of this. Jewish scholar Benjamin Sommer concludes in his bookThe Bodies of God and the world of ancient Israel that Jews cannot have any grounds for a rejection of the Trinity and that it is not only part of their history but embedded in the old testament itself. This can be seen in references to the angel of the Lord and the Spirit of Yahweh as agents of God but identified as God as well. Yes, God is one but even echad doesn't mean absolute oneness.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

@@andys3035 Citing a liberal apostate Jewish scholar to support an alleged Trinity is like citing the liberal apostate former Trinitarian scholar Bart Ehrman who denies the Trinity. Some scholars are more interested in making money from the sale of their books than honestly presenting the scriptural evidence. The angel OF Yahweh means "the Messenger OF Yahweh." How could an alleged pre-incarnate God the Son be the "messenger OF YAHWEH" while being coequally Yahweh? It was only after the incarnation when God had also become a true human being via virgin conception that the man Christ Jesus could be the messenger of Yahweh. In fact, Luke 1:35 informs us that the reason why the Son of God is called the Son OF God is for the reason of the Holy Spirit descending upon the virgin to conceive the Christ child. The only plurality we find is after the virgin conception after God had also become a human being. No Bible verse ever says that God is a plurality of persons with an alleged plurality of minds, wills, and personal consciousnesses. If each alleged divine person is really a true God Person then each divine person must have his own mind, will, and personal self consciousness. But nowhere in scripture do we find God as God ever having more than one God will, more than one God mind, or more than one God consciousness. Therefore the Trinity doctrine is a lying deception from the devil which perverts the true worship of the Father in Spirit and in truth.

This guy just used the amplified bible to say God is one person. Here's the problem with that... So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One; (1 John 5:7 AMP) AMPLIFIED BIBLE!

@approvedofGod

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones Even though the Amplified uses this verse, the truth of the matter is that this passage was interpolated into the bible in the 1600's. No manuscripts had it before that. Modern scholarship will not back you up.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones Versions such as the KJV contain the interpolated Johanneum Comma which is a Trinitarian interpolation that was added in the sixteenth century. Modern Translations such as the NASB and NIV have excluded it because there are NO EARLY GREEK MANUSCRIPTS THAT CONTAIN THIS LATER ADDITION. Greek Scholar Daniel Wallace published this article in 2004. 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.” ‑‑NET Bible INTERPOLATED PORTION OF 1 JOHN 5:7 (“For there are three that testify in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 5:8 And there are three that testify on earth”). This reading, the infamous Comma Johanneum, has been known in the English-speaking world through the King James translation. However, the evidence-both external and internal-is decidedly against its authenticity. Our discussion will briefly address the external evidence. 1 This longer reading is found only in eight late manuscripts, four of which have the words in a marginal note. Most of these manuscripts (2318, 221, and [with minor variations] 61, 88, 429, 629, 636, and 918) originate from the 16th century; the earliest manuscript, codex 221 (10th century), includes the reading in a marginal note which was added sometime after the original composition. Thus, there is no sure evidence of this reading in any Greek manuscript until the 1500s; each such reading was apparently composed after Erasmus’ Greek NT was published in 1516. Indeed, the reading appears in no Greek witness of any kind (either manuscript, patristic, or Greek translation of some other version) until AD 1215 (in a Greek translation of the Acts of the Lateran Council, a work originally written in Latin). This is all the more significant, since many a Greek Father would have loved such a reading, for it so succinctly affirms the doctrine of the Trinity.

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

And that's my point. This version of the bible was used just for one verse that says "God is one person" but the NIV which I prefer just says "God is one" it's a hypocrite move. Thanks for making my point.

@approvedofGod

8 жыл бұрын

DeJai Jones all is fair in love and war! Using the amplified to prove one point is not wrong, it shows how the presenter is well read. By the way the NIV is the worst of translations. It is called the "ecumenical bible" because it is so watered down. DeJai are you aware of this?

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

As long as one is willing to use Galatians 3:20 from the Amplified bible to try and prove a point then I will use 1 John 5:7 from both Amplified and King James Bible. All if fair right? Interesting how I can get a full explanation from that verse but not one from this... I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. (John 17:22, 23 NIV) The words of Jesus. I rather believe him than you.

Pastor Ritchie. I'm wondering whether it's the way you conduct yourself in debates, why Dr James White has not yet agreed to debate with you. I've viewed both this debate & debate with a Mr Bennett. In both you consistently break the debate rules esp when it comes to cross-examination. You cut into your opponent's allocated times by grossly elaborated answers where you go off into teaching & preaching mode on each question asked by your opponent. And when the timer goes off you at times carry on. THEN what is extremely unfair is when it's your turn to ask questions you do not allow your opponent to fully answer questions & you cut them off stating "it's my turn, I"m asking the questions". Also you make more points/comments than ask questions. I know you don't mean to be but you appear to be bully-ish in your approach and have little respect to debate rules. Yes you are excited about God but you must remember you're not supposed to be 'preaching' at debates. Please don't be offended by this comment - take note and maybe Dr James White and others may take you on in a debate.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Follower of Truth When I debated Bruce Bennett I was not as familiar with debate rules as I am now (that was back in 2011). Was I disrespectful in the debate with Mr. Steve Morrison? That was a very pleasant environment and Mr. Morrison was a gentleman. It is hard for me not to speak passionately about My God and Savior. I'm a Pentecostal preacher so when I speak, I always seem to get emotional, especially when I'm at a pulpit. Furthermore, how can I not raise my voice when people are being misled towards hell fire? If a bridge collapsed and there were people driving by, would you not cry out a warning?

Jewish commentators state that God was speaking to His heavenly court when He said "Let us" in Genesis 1:26. The same is true when God said "Let us go down and confuse their language" at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:17). Genesis 1:26 may be a prophetic utterance about the Son also being called the Creator.In Justin’s First Apology 63 (written about 130-150 AD), Justin (a Semi Arian) referred to contemporary Christians who affirmed that the Son was the Father. “For they who affirm that the Son is the Father, are proved neither to have become acquainted with the Father, nor to know that the Father of the universe has a Son …”Justin says the same thing in Dialogue with Trypho 128, Justin again speaks about other second century Christians who believed that the Son is inseparable from the Father. “But SOME TEACH (other Christians) that this power (the Son) is indivisible and inseparable from the Father, just as the light of the sun on earth is indivisible and inseparable from the sun in the skies; for, when the sun sets, its light disappears from the earth. SO THEY CLAIM (other Christians), the Father by His will can cause His power to go forth and, whenever He wishes, to return again ...” Hippolytus himself admitted that no Christians were ignorant about Modalistic Monarchian theology within the early third century. “Now that [Noetus] affirms that the Son and the Father are the same, no one is ignorant.” Again, Justin wrote in his Dialogue with Trypho. Let Us make,' -- I shall quote again the words narrated by Moses himself, from which we can indisputably learn that [God] conversed with some one who was numerically distinct from Himself, and also a rational Being. These are the words: And God said, Behold, Adam has become as one of us, to know good and evil.' [2175] In saying, therefore, as one of us,' [Moses] has declared that [there is a certain] number of persons associated with one another, and that they are at least two. For I would not say that the dogma of that heresy [2176] which is said to be among you [2177] is true, or that the teachers of it can prove that [God] spoke to angels, or that the human frame was the workmanship of angels. But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with Him; even as the Scripture by Solomon has made clear, that He whom Solomon calls Wisdom, was begotten as a Beginning before all His creatures and as Offspring by God."Here we can see that many early second century Christians were teaching that God was speaking to angels in Genesis chapter one. Justin was no Trinitarian. He wrote that the Son of God was "begotten as A BEGINNING before all His creatures" as an "offspring by God." Could the Son have had a timeless existence throughout eternity past while being "begotten (born) as a BEGINNING?"

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Trinity Apologetics Since the Jewish commentators always believed that it was possible for God to have involved His angelic advisors in His creation when He said, "Let us make man," it is certainly plausible that God could have created mankind by His own wisdom, word, and power after consulting with His angels. A man could say to his wife and children at the dinner table, "Let us build a barn." The human father could involve his families wisdom and advise before actually building the barn. Then the father goes out and builds that barn alone and by himself through his own finances and carpentry skills. It is certainly interesting to find Justin's admitting that early second century Christians were saying that God spoke to His angels in Genesis 1:26-27, "For I would not say that the dogma of that heresy [2176] which is said to be among you [2177] is true, or that the teachers of it can prove that [God] spoke to angels, or that the human frame was the workmanship of angels." Justin (AD 130-150) was an Arian: “… there is, and that there is said to be ANOTHER GOD and Lord subject to the Maker of all things who is also called an Angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things, above whom there is no other God, wishes to announce to them.” Dialogue with Trypho 223, “God begat before all creatures a Beginning, a certain rational power from himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit … the glory of the Lord, then the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos.” Dialogue with Tryphoch. 61 Thus your early semi Arian Trinitarian founding fathers taught that God begat the Son "before all creatures" to have "a beginning." But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with Him; even as the Scripture by Solomon has made clear, that He whom Solomon calls Wisdom, WAS BEGOTTEN AS A BEGINNING before all His creatures and as (an) Offspring by God (62). Dialogue with Trypho 56, There is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things, above whom there is no other God, wishes to announce to them.... I shall endeavor to persuade you, that He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things, I mean numerically, not in will. For I affirm that He has never at any time done anything which He who made the world--above whom there is no other God--has not wished Him both to do and to engage Himself with...it must be admitted absolutely that some other one is called Lord by the Holy Spirit besides Him who is considered Maker of all things; not solely [for what is said] by Moses, but also [for what is said] by David. For there is written by him: 'The Lord says to my Lord, Sit on My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool,' as I have already quoted. (56)." Like modern day Jehovah’s Witnesses, Justin clearly taught that Jesus was begotten [created] as an Angel at a specific point in time before his human existence as the man Christ Jesus. Justin calls Jesus “an Angel” who “announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things wishes to announce.” Justin also wrote that Jesus is “another God and Lord” who is “subject to the Maker of all things.” Like all so called second century Trinitarians, Justin clearly taught that Jesus is a lesser God who submits himself under the authority of his Maker. Therefore Justin and all of the alleged Trinitarians of the first two centuries were really Arians who denied the full deity of Jesus Christ. THE 1913 Old Catholic Encyclopedia informs us what Justin actually believed. "The Word is numerically distinct from the Father (Dial., cxxviii, cxxix; cf. lvi, lxii). He was born of the very substance of the Father, not that this substance was divided, but He proceeds from it as one fire does from another at which it is lit (cxxviii, lxi); this form of production (procession) is compared also with that of human speech (lxi). The Word (Logos) is therefore the Son: much more, He alone may properly be called Son (II Apol., vi, 3); He is the monogenes, the unigenitus(Dial., cv). Elsewhere, however, Justin, like St. Paul, calls Him the eldest Son, prototokos (I Apol., xxxiii; xlvi; lxiii; Dial., lxxxiv, lxxxv, cxxv). The Word is God (I Apol., lxiii; Dial., xxxiv, xxxvi, xxxvii, lvi, lxiii, lxxvi, lxxxvi, lxxxvii, cxiii, cxv, cxxv, cxxvi, cxviii). His Divinity, however, seems subordinate, as does the worship which is rendered to Him (I Apol., vi; cf. lxi, 13; Teder, "Justins des Märtyrers Lehre von Jesus Christus", Freiburg im Br., 1906, 103-19). The Father engendered Him by a free and voluntary act (Dial., lxi, c, cxxvii, cxxviii; cf. Teder, op. cit., 104), at the beginning of all His works (Dial., lxi, lxii, II Apol., vi, 3); in this last text certain authors thought they distinguished in the Word two states of being, one intimate, the other outspoken, but this distinction, though found in some other apologists, is in Justin very doubtful. Through the Word God has made everything (II Apol., vi; Dial., cxiv). The Word is diffused through all humanity (I Apol., vi; II, viii; xiii); it was He who appeared to the patriarchs (I Apol., lxii; lxiii; Dial., lvi, lix, lx etc.). Two influences are plainly discernible in the aforesaid body of doctrine. It is, of course, to Christian revelation that Justin owes his concept of the distinct personality of the Word, His Divinity and Incarnation; but philosophic speculation is responsible for his unfortunate concepts of the temporal and voluntary generation of the Word, and for the subordinationism of Justin's theology. It must be recognized, moreover, that the latter ideas stand out more boldly in the "Apology" than in the "Dialogue."

@royboy3129

8 жыл бұрын

+Global Impact Ministries but we are not made in the image of angels but God. "let us make man in our image after our likeness"

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Roy Boy God does nothing without first revealing it to His servants the prophets. Likewise God did nothing without first receiving council from His Heavenly Court. Even the NIV Commentary written by Trinitarian scholars states that God spoke to His angels in Genesis 1:26. Most Trinity scholars do not believe that God the Father spoke to His Son in Genesis 1:26. See my video on "Let Us Make Man - Genesis 1:26") here on KZread.

@52RGD

8 жыл бұрын

+Roy Boy , Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” If you do not have a preconceived and wrong idea that God is a trinity, you will never see any trinity or concept of a trinity in this verse no matter how many times you read it. They define trinity as: one being of God but composed of 3 different persons. Coequal in power, coequal in majesty, coequal in authority but 3 distinctly different persons. They are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They just saw the word “us” (where God said, Let us make man in our image) and they already concluded that the verse teaches trinity. The verse did not even mention about the 3 persons of God but because they are already brainwashed of this doctrine they think the word “us” means 3 persons of God. If the word “us” in this verse is God revealing that they are three persons, then God should have said to Moses: We are, that We are. We are the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. A father making a toy for his children can say to his children watching him, let us paint this toy so that it will look more beautiful. It does not mean that the children will necessarily paint it with the father. During the creation the angels were with God and actually they were shouting for joy. Job 38:4-7 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-7 WHILE THE MORNING STARS sang together and ALL THE ANGELS SHOUTED FOR JOY? You can deduce from the scriptures above that God was talking to the angels who were watching Him during creation singing and shouting for joy. If the “us” in this verse means trinity or 3 persons during the creation then it will contradict Isaiah 44:24 where it says, Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, '''I AM''' the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens '''ALONE'''; that spreadeth abroad the earth by '''MYSELF; Think for yourself which of the two verses states clearly and directly without ambiguity? Isaiah 24:4 which says, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; or Genesis 1:26 which says, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:” And finally Genesis 1:27 which is the next verse destroyed their hunch that 3 persons created all things when it said, “So God created mankind in HIS own image, in the image of God HE created them; male and female HE created them.” May God open your spiritual eyes Roy and also your heart that you may see the truth and love the truth...

@newenglandsun4394

8 жыл бұрын

+Global Impact Ministries So Jewish commentators believe we were made not in his image but rather in the image of God and his angels? How many creators does man have? And why are you citing fathers that did not approve of your heresy as evidence of the apostolicity of your heresy? Please think a little bit more rationally.

Steven Ritchie once again Destroys the Trinitarian Theology and his opponent. No wonder James white doesn't want to debate him lol. the more you hear a defense of something non biblical like the Trinity the more clear it is how delusioned they are. Notice when you ask a Trinitarian a question they only ever answer with a question to avoid being proven wrong they skate around it lol. Pretty funny to me

You know what. .... Jesus is the only way. .. buy this is not going to take you and I no wear Holy Trinity & Jesus only is not in th bible

Earth is flat.

1 peter 1 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who foretold the grace that would come to you, searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determinethe time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ andthe glories to follow. (so, Jesus spirit existed even before Jesus became human? Is this not what this is saying?)

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus' Spirit existed as the Holy Spirit before becoming human. That is why 1 Peter 1:11 says that the Spirit within the prophets was "the Spirit of Christ" but 2 Peter 1:20 identifies that Spirit as "the Holy Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:17 clearly states that "the Lord is the Spirit." Since Jesus Christ "is Lord," He "is the Spirit" who was with the disciples in the flesh, but now is in the disciples as the indwelling Holy Spirit (John 14:16-18; Romans 8:9, 16, 17, 34).

@speaksfire145

6 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries so you agree then that they're all 1 God? Or should I say the 3 are 1?

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

The only "they" we find in scripture is One God the Father and one man as our only "mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 2:5). God as God can never be called "they" or "them" because the Father alone is "the only true God" (John 17:3). Jesus is that God who became a man via virgin conception and birth but that human child born and son given is not another distinct God Person beside the Father. God can manifest Himself as Father in creation, Son in redemption (as a man), and Holy Spirit in action, but not as 3 Divine Persons. 1 John 5:7 does not address three divine persons. It says,, "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement (1 John 5:7 NASB)."

Global impact: Then why is the name "JESUS" above every name. According to you trinitarians the Son's name is above the Father's name. The trinitarian doctrine does not make since. It does not follow the scripture at all. It is completely man made.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Amen, Trinitarian doctrine makes no sense. The Son has been given the Father's Name because the man Christ Jesus is the Father incarnate. How could a pre-incarnate God the Son be given the name of Yahweh if he always possessed that name? Jer. 23:5-6 says that the Son would be called Yahweh in the prophetic future.

@josephho6712

7 жыл бұрын

Jesus is the name above every name because the name of Jesus is the Father's own name given to his son. Read John 17:11, John 17:11New International Version (NIV) 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of[a] your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. Jesus asked God to protect them by the "POWER OF YOUR NAME" that means God's own name, and then he said "THE NAME YOU GAVE ME". thats God's own name givne to Jesus. The son and the father shared the same name. Eg, John Smith had a son called John Smith. But that does not make both John Smith the same person. So this name is above every name since it is the Almighty God's own name given to his Son, Jesus. Its in the name but not in the same power and authority. Many dont read JOhn 17:11 carefully. Isaiah 9:6 affirms this by saying his name shall be called mighty God. Mighty God and Almighty God is not the same. But Isaiah said his name shall be called mighty God. Its the name only but not the position because the Lord thy God is One God. Jesus is his Son. Twice in the bible God said Jesus is his Son. Matthew 3:17New International Version (NIV) 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Matthew 17:5New International Version (NIV) 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” Oneness doctrine actually claims God to be a liar, saying that whatever god said about Jesus is not True. That Jesus is God when God said Jesus is his Son. I would not be so bold to call God a liar, if God said Jesus is his Son then I would also say Jesus is his Son, Since God said Jesus is his Son. So God is true and every men a liar.................. Beware what you claim, oneness ministers beware ane be fearful. I would not want to call God a liar.

@bln24

7 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries - could you supply a text that clearly starts that God incarnated as man?

@strwbry11

6 жыл бұрын

Uzzi Herr 1 Timothy 3:16

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Ho Amen we are one with the father and son through Jesus Christ.

LS, I do as well show love but cannot extend any kind of agreement that one is saved outside of the fact that there is but one God and his name is Jesus. And that you must be baptized in that name for remission of sins and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. That's not my words that's the words of Jesus Christ. The truth is the you either do it the Bible way or you are lost. And that is what people have problems with.

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

Scripture plainly declares that God SENT His SON. Do you deny this?

Jesus has to go away so he can came back as the Holy Spirit? Lol I don't think so.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones After Jesus said that the helper (paraclete) is the Spirit of truth that was with the disciples and would be in the disciples, he clearly stated, "I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you (John 14:16-18)." John 14:26 goes on to state that the Holy Spirit is the Paraclete, but 1 John 2:1 calls Jesus the Paraclete. Can there be two mediators interceding between God and men, or one (1 Tim. 2:5)? Search the scriptures with a noble heart and you will see the truth.Romans 8:9, 26, 27, 34; Hebrews 7:25; Galatians 4:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

Lol define mediator

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me." (John 8:18 NIV) "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father-the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father-he will testify about me. (John 15:26 NIV) Testify about himself? I don't think so. This is not the same person. Put all this together and you have 3 whitenesses. Father son and Holy Ghost. Scripture is clear that this is not the same person and look, I didn't have to add anything.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

DeJai Jones You know not what spirit you are of when you address this as a laughing matter. Who then was tempted by Satan? A God the Son or the Son of God? Since God cannot be tempted as God, we know that Jesus is the God of the Hebrew prophets who became a man in order to save us. Hebrews 1:3 and Hebrews 2:14-17 clearly proves that God became a fully complete man just like all men. When the omnipresent God became a man, He became something distinct from God, a true man. This not only explains how Jesus can be "the Lamb OF God" who died for our salvation, but also how Jesus can be the only mediator between God and men. No scripture states that Jesus is a Second God Person who became a man. Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:35 prove that the divinity of Jesus is the Holy Spirit who descended on the virgin to become a true son (a man). A mediator is someone who acts as a "go between" for two parties. "Mediator" in the NT is talking about Jesus as an apostle and high priest who "Advocates" and "Intercedes" our case before the Father. God as God cannot advocate or intercede to God, nor can God as God be tempted. Therefore we know that Jesus is not God with us as God. No created man or angel can become another man or angel as himself. That is why Trinitarians think that it is impossible for God the Father to "become our salvation" (Psalm 118:14) as the Fathers "arm revealed" as a man (Isaiah 53:1; Isaiah 52:10: Isaiah 59:16). The only true God the Father said, "I am God and there is none else. I am God AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME" (Isaiah 46:9). Since Numbers 23:19 proves that "God is not a man", nor "a son of man," so God became something distinct from Himself in His incarnation through the virgin, a true man. The Father is the only Being who can become a distinct man, while simultaneously retaining all of His unchangeable attributes as our Heavenly Father in the heavens. Oneness believers affirm that God the Father miraculously became a man while remaining the unchangeable Father in heaven. In contradistinction, Trinitarians allege that God can be One Individual while being three individuals at the same time. Since no man can be three persons as one being, your Trinitarian doctrine is also a laughing matter to many. For the scripture says that God made man in His own image. If God is Tri-Personal as three persons, then why is it that we do not mirror the image of our alleged Tri-Personal maker? I'm not laughing, but many also do laugh at the idea of an alleged Trinitarian God who people think to be One Individual Being as three coequally distinct divine persons. Thus you Trinitarians are also left with the same predicament as us Oneness believers. The only thing you can say is that God inexplicably defies our human logic by being three persons while remaining one being. Your doctrine completely contradicts hundreds of scriptures (even thousands) throughout the Bible; yet you laugh at us when we affirm that God the Father became a man to save us.

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:20 NIV) From the Holy Spirit means is the Holy Spirit? What does "from" mean? Defined it. The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35 NIV) This does not say the Holy Spirit was born but I can see how you might be confused. We actually have scripture that says who became Yahshua. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NIV) The Word is the one who became a man, but he also came from the father. His humanity was new but not he. He was already something more. Where can we find the something more?... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. (John 1:1-5 NIV) This says the word was WITH God and IS God, and also he created all things. These versus say a lot. And we still have more than one "person" I have addressed 2 of your scriptures but I see you ran from mine. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me." (John 8:18 NIV) "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father-the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father-he will testify about me. (John 15:26 NIV) Thea scriptures speak about testifying and being a witness. The same person cannot testify or witness to self. Scripture is clear, and these are the words of Yahshua/Jesus

the trinitarians are deeply blind with their ''triune God'' in fact they show that they are still of the catholic faith or half reformed.

You people read the Bible with a carnal mind there is no way way you can understand who God . Three persons. In one God equals three Gods any way you add it up. You are teaching false doctrine and Jesus will hold you accountable.

@josephho6712

7 жыл бұрын

Dear Ken, you are right God is only One. Trinity is a false doctrine. I have explained the name of Jesus in John 17:11. Read it carefull and know that Jesus is God the Father's own name for Jesus said protect them by the Power of Your name (Jesus) then Jesus said the name you gave me again making it sure that Jesus was his given name which is the Father's own name. But Jesus is his Son as in John 3:16. Read Matthew 17:5 God said Jesus is his Son and Matthew 3:17 as well. If God said Jesus is his Son then Jesus is God's son so that makes God One and only One.

Understanding the Oneness theology to be exact, the One God who is the one Spirit existed eternally as one unseen divine person but with his first self revelation as a Logos/Word(pre-SON) as an audible revelation that also caused all things being created. Logos the self revelation of one person of unseen God, Logos was a preform/pre-status of the Son as the manifestation of one person of God that later became a human form in the personality of Christ Jesus. Logos as a Word can be understood as an audible manifestation but scripturally the Logos can be mean appearing as a great Light(glory of God), as related. thesame manifestation of God. Jesus is the light and lamp of the world.