This is perhaps the worst display of Oneness apologetics I've have ever witnessed. I am completely embarrassed for Mr. Ritchie.

@dreameruy9510

3 жыл бұрын

Only one sat on the throne Rev 4:2 Paul said JESUS throne is forever and ever Where is the throne of Jehovah if he is the true God...? Where are the throne of others if God is 3 person...?

In 1988 I was drinking a fifth of alcohol a day . I knew that there was more to life than I realized but I didn't know what it was . I had a wonderful girlfriend , we raced motorcycles , we went to bluegrass festivals and did whatever we wanted to do . I realized that I had everything the world said was happiness but I felt something important was missing and I didn't know what it was. I tried scientology , all kinds of yoga, martial arts and various other disciplines but nothing satisfied me . One Sunday morning I came home drunk in a taxicab and waiting outside of my house was a man who was giving my roommate a ride to church. I had gone to alcoholics anonymous for six months and they helped me a lot but I had gone back to drinking .He invited me to sit in his car and talk. He asked me if I wanted a bible study. I said I would love to have a bible study . He came on Monday nights the only night of the week that I didn't drink. It was a 12 week bible study that went from Genesis to Revelation. He showed me in the book of Acts ( Acts 2:38 ) where it said repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . I said I'd never seen that in the bible and I wanted to get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I got baptized in Jesus' name and prayed for two months to get the Holy Ghost. The night that I got the Holy Ghost I was praying and I started to talk in tongues , I felt wonderful and GOD delivered me from the spirit of alcohol . I have never wanted to drink since then and I praise GOD for that. . The man who gave me the twelve week bible study taught me a ' GODHEAD ' bible study twice but i didn't understand the oneness of God or the trinity . I was reading the bible one day and read Ephesians 4 : 5-6 that i had previously highlighted in my bible . God gave me the revelation of oneness . ' ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISM , ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL , WHO IS ABOVE ALL , AND THROUGH ALL ,AND IN YOU ALL ! JOHN 3:16 IS ONE VERSE : YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF CHAPTER THREE TO UNDERSTAND JESUS' PLAN OF SALVATION ! THANK YOU FOR READING THIS !

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother for sharing your testimony here. We are looking for the testimonies of Oneness Apostolic believers to record and post on KZread via Google hangouts. If interested, please contact our secretary on our website at ApostolicChristianFaith.com

@leonardhunt5677

5 жыл бұрын

Ephesians chapter 4 verses 4-6 in the Greek is more interesting than the English. The one Lord allows for more than one, God is one Lord Acts chapter 4 verse 26 and Jesus is one Lord John chapter 13 verse 13; one faith is a single faith; one baptism means more than one, baptism of the Spirit and of fire Mark chapter 1 verse 8, baptism by water John chapter 4 verses 1-2 with John chapter 1 verse 33 and baptism by the Spirit into the one body, Jesus Christ 1stCorinthians chapter 12 verse 13; one God and Father of us all includes the Father, who is God in heaven John chapter 8 verse 54, of Jesus and Jesus coming in prophecy Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 the mighty God and everlasting Father (even though Father is not in the Hebrew, just implied): not just a single Lord, baptism, or God and Father of us all!!!!!

@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople

3 жыл бұрын

That is such a powerful testimony. Incredible. I cried when I read about you being filled with the Holy Spirit. Praise the Lord! ❤️🥰

@georgeswope1267

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople Thank you ! Praise the Lord ! My church Abundant Life Baltimore is reaching out to the community and people are getting filled with the Holy Spirit !

@markducharme9518

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgeswope1267 how can you insist on One Lord & One faith when you CREATE Two baptisms?

Mr. Ritchie, I would just like to personally thank Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ for you. You have been such a help to me and you don't even know it. I have been an Apostolic believer for a few years now, even preaching His Holy word, but God has used many of your writing on your website to further garner revelation and understanding in me of Him. Thank you so much for your dedication and faithfulness to carry out this ministry the Lord has placed on you. I look forward to learning much more from you as I am looking into Rowe Bible Institute. May God richly bless you, Steven Croft

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven Croft Thanks brother, it is always nice to hear that my ministry is being a blessing. God has placed it into my heart to use technology on the web to win the lost and to equip His Church for the work of the ministry. Jesus Christ Himself is our Paraclete as the indwelling Holy Spirit of the Father who teaches us all things. That is what Paul meant when he wrote that we have "the mind of Christ." I have been unimpressed with the disorganization of Rowe Bible Institute because they do not have enough staff to run things efficiently. Therefore the Lord has put it into my heart to start a FREE online Bible College with videos accompanying all courses (absolutely NO FEES). We have hired staff in the Philippines to run our ministry at a fraction of the cost, so it is possible to run an organized Bible College through love offerings alone. You may be interested in subscribing to our new KZread Channel for weekly videos on Oneness Theology and Church history. If you are interested contact my secretary at theglobalimpactministries@gmail.com

@StevenCroft04

8 жыл бұрын

Praise the Lord, Sincerely, Thank you Mr. Ritchie. I will do that for sure.

still looking for three "rational conscious individuals" (7:42) in the biblical revelation of God. God is One Deut 6:4 / Mark 12:28-29

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Does Ptr Riche has books for Oneness Apologetics? I wanna buy.. thanks!

Good Job bro. Steven Ritchie for defending the oneness truth of the bible, more blessings in your ministry,

go go go Pastor Ricthie preach the truth to the Lost.. I'm so glad you visited my own place...God bless you Pastor Ricthie...

Alleluia, hallelujah Praise ye the Lord (Rev. 19:1-6; see also Ps. 105:45; 106-50).

God is well capable of playing every position of a baseball team. He is God all by Himself. This goes beyond the term modalism. God is not subject to a numerical value, but He is for ever One.

Don't you ever Question, way the Name JESUS at times is before the name Christ and sometimes after the name Christ? Obviously the name Christ is the body, and the Name JESUS is the Name of The Spirit.

As soon as the presenter stated that the trinitarian was a calvinist I knew that he's a double whammy against knowing that God is one.

How can the father who became flesh not know the day and hour? Oh this is very messy indeed.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones The only true God the Father also became a true man in the incarnation through the virgin. Therefore Jesus as a son could not be God with us as God who prayed and was tempted, but rather, God with us as a true man who had to grow in wisdom and knowledge.

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

Is this your attempt at an answer? Lol stop lol

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

You say The TRUE GOD became a man. Then you say, "Jesus as a son could not be God with us as God who prayed and was tempted, but rather, God with us as a true man." *Either Jesus is God or he is not*

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

6 жыл бұрын

OurHumbleLife Then you not believe There was a distinction between God and men? are you claiming there is no distinction? if you believe that sir you believe Jesus did not redeem us.

@Chris85.

5 жыл бұрын

If Human son can say before Abraham was I am, why can't he know the hour himself? If the father is in human form, he should have said before Abraham was my father was right instead of I am? These guys takes the verse whichever way it best suits them, no consistency at all..Messy indeed.

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” - Isaiah 45:7 KJV “יוצר אור ובורא חשך עשה שלום ובורא רע אני יהוה עשה כל־אלה ס” - Isaiah 45:7 Hebrew “I form(copy) light and create(cause) obscurity, I make peace and create(cause) Evil. I YHWH do all these [things].” - Isaiah 45:7 My Translation

Here is a link to my new video: Modalism In The Nicene Creed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYug2qOzga7anbg.html

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Oneness author and apologist Jerry Hayes wrote, "Concerning the Council of Nicaea and the creed it produced, I do happen to have some very definite thoughts: First, I believe it was a council that was dominated by the Modalist bishops present, even though they were the minority." Jerry Hayes further wrote: "The 'Creed of Nicaea' (also called the "Creed of the 318" for the number of bishops who signed it at the Council of Nicaea -- according to Athanasius) was formulated around the word "homoousia" which was the watchword of the Modalists. The purpose of the council was to formulate a common creed that would put the followers of Arius out of fellowship. The Modalist Monarchian’s watchword "homoousia" would do the trick, so to speak ..."Jerry Hayes further wrote, "If the thinking of the time is understood and considered (that the "Son" was the "thought" (Word) of the Father which had eternality with the Father -- for who can conceive of God without His thought -- who (the Word) was indeed the same as the Father (homo -ousious), then the Creed of Nicaea is a Monarchian document, not Trinitarian." According to J. N. D. Kelly, "the majority of the 318 bishops were uncomfortable with the creed formulated at Nicaea but were forced to sign the creed in that it was the only wording that the Arians (followers of Arius) could not sign ..." Notice that there is no historical evidence to suggest that the Creed was against Modalism. From Bishop Jerry Hayes: bishopjerrylhayes.blogspot.com/

At 2:38:38 Mr. Smith accused me of changing the context of what John Henry Newman meant in his book, "Arians of the Fourth Century." I had stated that Trinitarian Historian John Henry Newman himself admitted that the majority of the third century Christians were Oneness Modalists. Here is the evidence!The context of chapter 1, Section 5A (Page 118) prove that the “speculations” of “Praxeus” (A prominent Modalistic Leader in the late second and early third century) “remained alive in that part of the world, though latent [Note 3 - Tertull. in Prax.], till they burst into a flame about the middle of the third century, at the eventful era when the rudiments of Arianism were laid by the sophistical school at Antioch.” Here the author states that “speculations” about the teachings of Praxeus “remained alive in that part of the world” (Egypt and North Africa) before bursting out into a flame in the middle of the third century in reaction to the form of Semi-Arian theology that predated the theology of Arius. Now if the theology of Praxeus “remained alive” within the hearts and minds of the Christian majority, then these Christians could not have been Trinitarian in their thinking. The context of chapter 1, Section 5B (Page 119) proves that the Sabellian theology “became so popular among the clergy already prepared for it … that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) ‘The Son of God was SCARCELY PREACHED IN THE CHURCHES.’” Now if the Athanasian Trinitarian view of the Son of God was "scarcely preached in the churches," then the Sabellian view was predominant, and the Trinitarian view was scarce. Here is the quote in its full context: “Sabellius, from whom the heresy has since taken its name. He was a bishop or presbyter in Pentapolis, a district of Cyrenaica, included within the territory afterwards called, and then virtually forming, the Alexandrian Patriarchate. Other bishops in his neighborhood adopting his sentiments, his doctrine became so popular among a clergy already prepared for it, or hitherto unpracticed in the necessity of a close adherence to the authorized formularies of faith, that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) "the Son of God was scarcely preached in the Churches." Trinitarian Church Historian John Henry Newman’s Book, Arians of the Fourth Century, Chapter 1, Section 5, under “Sabellianism.” Trinitarian Catholic Historian Henry Newman clearly stated, “his doctrine (the context proves ‘Sabellius’) became so popular among a clergy already prepared for it, or hitherto unpracticed in the necessity of a close adherence to the authorized formularies of faith, that in a short time (to use the words of Athanasius) "the Son of God was scarcely preached in the Churches." Now if the later early fourth century Athanasian idea of the Son of God “was scarcely preached in the Churches” then that would mean that the Trinitarian idea was “scarce” and that the Modalist idea was “so popular among the clergy” at that time. Thus Trinitarian historian Henry Newman admitted that the Modalists were predominant within the mid third century and that the later Athanasian idea of the Son of God was “scarcely preached in the Churches” before that time.Mr. Smith further accused me of taking Harold Brown out of context.Protestant scholar, Harold Brown wrote on page 5 of his book entitled, “Heresy and Orthodoxy - In The History of the Church. “It is impossible to document what we now call orthodoxy in the first two centuries of Christianity.” The context of Mr. Harold Brown's introduction to his book affirmed that there was no true Trinitarian orthodoxy within the first two centuries of the Christian era. I challenge anyone to cite anything from the context of his book to show that he meant something other than theological orthodoxy regarding the Protestant idea of a Trinity.

12:50 If God the father is a spirit, and the holy spirit is a spirit, but God is one spirit... why does it matter if the writer says "one God, one Lord, and one spirit"? How is that spirit a different person from the one God mentioned before if instead of saying one God he says one Spirit? strange reasoning

I and my Father are one. John10:30 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John14:23

@josephho3099

8 жыл бұрын

I and the Father are One. One what? One in the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13King James Version (KJV)13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.Jesus was given the same spirit without measure.

@TheLayman316

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephho3099 The Greek reads, I and My Father "we are one." The One (hen) is Neuter, not masculine (heis). It means one in essence or nature. The closest possible unity of purpose. Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. The "one body" is the church of Christ. Your point is lost because you didn't explain the context.

Interesting in order to be lonely you would have to be alone by yourself with space that is outside of yourself, but if God fills all the space and there is no were He does not fill how can He possibly be alone or lonely? Makes sense when we read God Saw Adam and Seen it was not good for him to be alone so He made him a help meat, because Adam did not fill the earth so it made him lonely. Wow this is deep thank u Heavenly Father for that download. I have been confused about The God Head ever sense I learned about the trinity I have never had peace with it. This oneness doctrine is giving me greater understanding about Who Jesus Christ really is The Father. Makes so much more sense. Will keep seeking to make sure this is the correct doctrine. Pray for me that Father gives me greater understanding of Who He Truly Is.

both apologists in this debate is very smart and did very well in their own style and very impressive

It really boils down to one person vs three persons. The word person has meaning.

About a month after our debate, Mr. Smith decided to post a video which falsely accused me of "contradicting oneness theology." Here is a link to my video response which exposes Ethan Smith's own glaring contradictions: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqWb0NVqdNfYks4.html

The Bible doesn't force anything, and certainly a pagan doctrine. Tri means three, no way around that. Mono means one. To say that you are a trinitarian monotheist is a oxymoron.

What ridiculous is discus if God is three or one person when the word person is not used for God in the whole Bible

Jn 14:10 the Father who dwells in me, he does the works

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Trinity Apologetics Whenever I speak of the humanity of the son you falsely accuse me of Socinianism. I don't falsely accuse you of Socinianism, but you must admit that a Socinian would say the exact same thing you just posted above. John 10:37 proves that Jesus did the works of God the Father, but he never said that he did the works of a distinct God the Son as another coequal God Person. That makes the divinity of Jesus the divinity of the only true God the Father who became a true man to save us. We confess that Jesus is the Son OF God because God became a true man. The context of 1 John proves that John was countering the false doctrine of the Docetists who were saying that Jesus only appeared as an apparition rather than a true Son in the flesh in the late first and early second century.

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

Doug, yes, Jesus referring to "he" is obvious that he is speaking of someone other than himself.

john 1 1 In the beginning was the Word (of God the Father), and the Word (of God the Father) was with God (God the Father), and the Word (of God the Father) was God (the Father). 2 This (Word of God the Father) was with God (the Father) in the beginning 3 Everything came into existence through the SAME; and without the SAME, not one thing has come into being that has come into being. 4 In it (the Word of God the Father) was life, and life was the light of men. 5 And the light (of God the Father) shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not understood it. 6 There was a man sent from God (the Father); his name was John. 7 This one (John) came for witness, to bear witness of the light (of God the Father), that through him (the word of God the Father) all might believe. 8 He (John) was not the light, but he was to bear witness of the light (of God the Father). 9 The true light (of God the Father) which enlightens every human being should come into the world. 10 He (God the Father) was in the world and the world came into being through him (God the Father), but the world did not recognize him (the father God). 11 He (God the Father) came into his own, and his own received him (the Father) not. 12 But to all who received him (the God Father), to whom he (God the Father) gave the right to become children of God (the Father), to those who believe on his name (Yehowah saves); 13 who (those who believe) were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God (the Father). 14 And the word (of God the Father) -> became flesh and dwelt among us; and we saw his (God the Father's) glory, glory as of the only begotten (in Mary) from the Father, (God Holy Spirit) full of grace and truth.

God said let there be light,and the Spirit was over the world,, God speaks (Word) John 4:24 God is Spirit One Spirit. God is Holy. 2Corth5:19 God was in Christ Jesus. 2Sam7:14 I will be his Father and he will be his son. Trinity people say that God is Three persons. His word and Spirit then Himself. when we speak is a words a second person? when we die and are spirit returns to God is that a third person? and is are body the first person?

Bible emphatically states: "To us [beleivers] there is One God, THE FATHER...." why it is not clear to Trinitarians??. This One God [the Father] was fully Manifest in Jesus [His begotten Son]. Yet they say "God the Son" came from outer space and entered the womb of Mary as a grown up fully developed spirit being and then came out after nine months as a baby.

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

Some Trinitarians have this idea in the back of their mind that although Jesus looked just like a real baby when he was born, but inside that baby was a grown up fully conscious "God the Son", who had to patiently wait, by getting his diapers changed, get breastfeed, and grow in stature. Trinitarians should have therefore no problem of accepting a "Infancy Gospel" story where Jesus as a baby spoke like a grown up saying: "Mary, I am Jesus the Son of God, that word which you brought forth according to the declaration of the angel Gabriel to you, and my Father has sent me for the salvation of the world".

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

The idea of "Eternally Begotten Son" is utter nonsense. Begotten means "to be born", "to be brought forth", "come into existence". They try to twist the meaning of John 1:1 as well. Although in John 1:1, it states "IN THE BEGINNING was the word", they say that the phrase "In the Beginning" means "Without Beginning" or "Beginingless Beginning", which is offcourse pure assumption and nonsense. They do not realize that God is Eternal, but his word, although fully expressive of Him or Divine is not something which is from Eternity. For e.g, God spoke (word) and gave His laws to Moses, but this law or (word of God) is ready to pass away (Hebrews 8:13). Also they assume that the "word" in John 1:1 is Jesus. If John really wanted to show Trinity and Jesus in John 1:1, he could have written: "From Everlasting to Everlasting was the Son and the Son was with God from Everlasting and the Son was God". Yet John did not write this way. Instead, he connects the "word" in John 1:1 with the "Beginning", which denotes a start or beginning of something and NOT "Beginingless Begining" as they foolishly state. Jesus only carries a "title" of "word of God" in Revelation 19:13, Not because he is a so-called spirit being called "word" of John 1:1, but because God the Father's "word" was fully realized or revealed in His begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Some confused so-called church fathers did not understand these things and turned to Greek Pagan philosopher named "Plato" to understand scriptures and ended up creating a doctrine which was based upon some of his ideas.

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah lol. The second God person in Trinity doctrine is always doing his best from eternity to please the First God person, who happens to be more powerful than the second God person. Also it seems that to come into the world to save mankind was not even the idea or plan of the Second God person in Trinity doctrine, because their second God person said: "I have come NOT to do my own will but the will of him who sent me". Here we see that it was NOT second God person's will to come down and save the world, rather it was the will of the First God person, and the second God person had to just obey or submit to it even though it was NOT his will. Trinitarians are Trithiests believing in multiple God persons.

@fromfaithtofaith1299

8 жыл бұрын

"Monogenēs" You can wiki it.

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

ford fairlane In the Trinity, the First God person of Trinity says to the 2nd God person to "kill himself" and the 2nd God person Killed himself. Their first God person is like a "Dictator" who dictates other God persons, and do not take "no" for an answer. Yeah, their second God person says: " "When you shall have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am, and that I DO NOTHING FROM MYSELF".....What kind of God is that??. Also they say that Bible states in Phillipians 2 that God the Son was in the "Form of God" literally in heaven before his incarnation. But they do not realize that the Greek shows that Jesus "began" to exist in the "Form of God". Also, Only God as God can be Eternally Existing. But the "Form of God" or His "Form" cannot be eternally existing. What Paul was saying is that Jesus is just "like God" or "Form of God". Jesus is a man, who is the exact image of God the Father in human form. And Not the exact image of Triune Deity. If he was the exact image of Triune Deity, then why Jesus did not say that: "He who has seen me has seen the father, the son and the holy spirit"?. Instead he just spoke about the Father who was fully manifest in him. Also, there is some historical evidence against Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 (KJV) which is often used by Trinitarians to support 3 God persons.

While I agree with Mr Richie, he did misrepresent several points. I personally feel our efforts should be more slanted to win the souls and less to win debates. Small differences in tone and method without detracting from message do wonders.

The downfall of the trinitarian advocates, is their failure to see that the substance of God, Spirit, is a part of the person, hence cannot be shared. Now, Mr. Smith distinguishes the Father from the Lord in 1Cor 8:6, but how does he explain his implied distinction of that one Lord from the one God? Consistency demands this distinction too, where the one Lord being distinct from the one God, demands that Jesus is not God. That verse alone proves that the one God is solely a unipersonal being. Based then on his view of that verse, the Lord is not God, and the one God is not the Lord.

The Jewish apostles baptize in Yahshua name only for the remission of sins. Acts2 : 38, 8 : 16, 10 : 48, 19 : 5, 22 : 16.

1 Chron 22:7 And** David said to Solomon**, My son, as for me, it was in **my mind** to build an house unto the name of the Lord my God: Jer 15:1 Then said **the Lord** unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet **my mind** could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. David is one person made in the image of God with one mind "my mind" The Lord is one Spirit with one mind "my mind" John 4:24/Eph 4:4 No disrespect but to say God is one being yet three persons is to confuse who God is. Not one Bible character was authorized to say this.

@leonardhunt5677

5 жыл бұрын

The Word wore a God-body Philippians chapter 2 verse 6 and was with (looking toward, Greek) God- so is a person, because no word, thought, idea, or plan looks toward - and was God' - had the same beginning as God Isaiah chapter 43 verse 10 'before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me'. The God that was made flesh -- became known as Jesus -- was the Word not the God who became known as Jehovah Exodus chapter 3 verse 14 and Jehovah Jehovah Isaiah chapter 26 verse 4 and Father of Jesus John chapter 8 verse 54 even though God and the Word were called Jehovah Elohim/Jehovah Gods/Creators 'and the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul' Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 'all things were created by him and without him was nothing made that was made' for the Word, and Isaiah chapter 45 verses 11-12 'concerning the works of my hands you command me. I have made the earth and created man upon it; I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens' - formed means using the physical hands of a person. Jesus teaching the Father's teaching through Jesus THAT each Biblically is a man: ' it is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness of me'/ 'in your law' - Scripture John chapter 10 verses 34-35 'it is written in the law ... and Scripture cannot be broken' - ^^ the testimony - as before a judge- ^^ of two - Matthew chapter 18 verse 16 'take with you one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established'/the speaker and one other - men as God defined a man when he made Adam Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 'breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 and later added to him by forming a rhuach spirit within him Zechariah chapter 12 verse 1 'the LORD ... formed the spirit of man within him'. The Father, God in heaven John chapter 8 verse 54, has a material body which is a soul/a God-body even as Jesus was the Word with his own God-body Philippians chapter 2 verse 6, and God, the Father, having his own material body which is a God-body John chapter 8 verses 17-18, each with their own God-body and so having their own Holy Spirit within as two men Scripturally would have their own spirit of man within, being two men John chapter 8 verses 17-18.

@guitarpraise6035

3 жыл бұрын

@Flying Satchel Amen!

Ritchie says God the father become a man, who is this man he is speaking of? If he is saying God the father become Jesus, then why he pray to God the father if himself is God the father? Also why even pray to Jesus, just pray to God since if he means above then they are the same person.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Jesus the Christ child is Immanuel, "God with us" as a true man. For the scriptures affirm that the only true God is the Father (John 17:3, 1 Cor. 8:6). If we are to believe in the deity of Christ then we must believe that he is the true incarnation and manifestation of our Heavenly Father. Oneness theology does not deny the distinction between the Father (God as God) and the Son (God as man). As a true man, Jesus had to pray to his God as his Father or he would not have been a true man at all. Just as Jesus was not tempted as God, so he did not pray as God. The normal way to pray is to pray to our heavenly Father through the man Christ Jesus as our only mediator (1 Tim. 2:5). Yet John 14:13 says, "If you shall ask anything in my name, I WILL DO IT." So just as Stephen prayed saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" in Acts 7:59, we can sometimes pray to Jesus because he is not just a man, but the true God Himself (1 John 5:20) who came to be with us as a true man in order to save us. The scriptures further prove that the spirit of the risen Christ has now "ascended far above all the heavens that he might FILL ALL THINGS (Ephes. 4:10)" to become "a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45). God as God has always filled all things (Jer. 23:24) and can never lose His divine attributes (Mal. 3:6). If Jesus was always a timeless coequal God the Son, then how exactly did a coequal God the Son leave heaven to become a man without violating Malachi 3:6. "I am YAHWEH, I CHANGE NOT." If an alleged God the Son never lost His divine attributes in the incarnation, then you would have a Heavenly Son who could act and speak in heaven while simultaneously existing on earth as an earthly son who could act and speak on earth independently from heaven. Hence, Trinitarians also sound like they have a Heavenly Son and an earthly Son just as Oneness believers have a Heavenly Father and an earthly Son as that same Father who came to save us as a true man (a Son) via incarnation through the virgin.

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

6 жыл бұрын

Jonas Huovila Because God in the incarnation did not become God but became a human being _Man. Though he was a Man did not stop been God.

@linusricky6140

5 жыл бұрын

Because Jesus as a Man on earth praying to the father . He is fully man and fully GOD. HE is our example so he lead by example as He praying to the Father in heven .

the trinitarian guy clearly misuses scripture in his opening argument by saying that Deuteronomy saying "hear oh Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah " is speaking of father and son or two persons....HOW and WHERE is the son mentioned lol?

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

2 жыл бұрын

Good observation bro, is not , It just says that God is One. Which destroys the Trinity.

i think philippians 2:5-9 refers to Jesus being in the form or nature of God. Jesus is the exact representation of God and the brightness of His glory - that is how Jesus had the form and/or nature of God. Jesus did not lord His meritorious position over men but humbled Himself like a servant of men to the point that He was obedient to men even to His death, remaining comoletely silent like a lamb led to the slaughter. That is why God exalted Him. Like the parable says, instead of being proud or presumptuous by assuming the high seat at the feast, He took the lowest seat and was glorified when God brought Him to the highest seat - the one at His right hand.

@dsbiddle

8 жыл бұрын

Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." Jesus did nit mean that the Father had the same hair color or shoe size as Jesus - he was saying that Jesus' spirit, life, holiness, mercy, faithfulness was the same as yhe Father's. Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. He was the prophesied Messiah of whom the prophets and Moses wrote about. He has, by inheritance, a more excellent name than the angels and was sinless and chosen by God, a son by birth and a son by the Father's voixe from heaven. Like Jesus said, "But he whobis greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts Himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." Jesus was the greatest and He became the lowliest servant of all. That is what Philippians 2:5-11 is talking about.

I went and looked at my exact words in my debate with Steve Morrison and in my past emails with Ethan Smith and found that I never said that I would sign the Nicene Creed in my debate with Steve Morrison, nor in my email correspondence with Ethan. The only thing I said was that I could sign the Nicene Creed of 325 in order to learn Greek at a Trinitarian Bible College. After the debate, I was surprised that Ethan Smith gave out a false impression of my alleged willingness to sign the Nicene Creed as if it were a statement of faith for Modalism. I could not remember exactly what I said about the Nicene Creed during the debate. I never advocated that Oneness believers should use the Nicene Creed as a statement of faith because there are many vague portions of the creed that can be interpreted different ways. The early Nicene Creed of 325 AD was clearly a compromised formula to try to get all parties to be able to agree with it. That is why some Oneness Modalists signed it while the vast majority probably did not. The Creed says nothing about three coequally distinct divine persons. I pointed out that the later Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 speaks of worshipping the Holy Spirit distinct from the Father which no Oneness believer could ever agree with.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

I recently posted a video about the Nicene Creed to get Trinitarians to see that Oneness Theology was still influential during the early fourth century and that there is historical data to show that Oneness Modalism actually contributed to portions of the early Nicene Creed. The 325 version of the Nicene Creed was not explicitly Trinitarian. Here is a link to my new video: Modalism In The Nicene Creed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYug2qOzga7anbg.html

@justynmartyr379

8 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by this statement, "The only thing I said was that I could sign the Nicene Creed of 325 in order to learn Greek at a Trinitarian Bible College." Are you deceiving the college or compromising your faith?

@justynmartyr379

8 жыл бұрын

You wrote, "I pointed out that the later Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 speaks of worshipping the Holy Spirit distinct from the Father which no Oneness believer could ever agree with." That is the purpose of that creed, to defend the divinity and distinction of the Holy Spirit as a divine Person equal to the Father and Jesus Christ His Son.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Justyn M. Just as Trinitarians read into the scriptures in their attempt to support three distinctly coequal God Persons, they do the same with the original Nicene Creed. Nothing in the original creed says anything about three coequally distinct Persons. Many Modalists signed the 325 creed at Nicaea. I gave the historical documentation in my e booklet and video on "Modalism In The Nicene Creed" to show that Modalism not only contributed to the original Nicene Creed, but many Modalists signed it. Therefore I am not being deceptive or compromising my belief in any way.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Justyn M. If it was the purpose of the original Nicene Creed to defend a coequally distinct Person called the Holy Spirit, then why did the original formulators of the Creed not say that the Holy Spirit is supposed to be worshiped distinctly in the original creed? Modalists could have agreed with the original creed because they believed that God can modally operate as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three modes or manifestations of one true God the Father.

Wow, very very powerful debate! Brother Ritchie, once again you've always affirmed to me who the Jesus of the bible is, and that is Jesus is the incarnation of the One True Old Testament God, our Heavenly Father, NOT the incarnation of the 2nd person of a Trinity "God the Son." (in which growing up who i thought Jesus was was the incarnation of.) Thank you again, brother Ritchie, for solidifying my faith in the real Jesus Christ of the bible. I don't know why, but i have to admit that every time you speak on the podium when it's your turn, i always feel the Holy Ghost in me making me wanna dance like King David danced. No offense to brother Smith but when i listen to him speak, i honestly do not feel and spiritualness (if thats' even a word) but only head knowledge. Towards the end of the debate, brother Ritchie you said you would love to debate Dr. James White and...........I would LOVE to watch that debate because Dr. James White was my most favorite Trinitarian apologist during my Trinitarian days when i was totally against the Oneness Pentecostal theology labeling it a "cult." God works in ways i do not understand because now it's totally opposite. Now, i'm a Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal baptized in Jesus' Name and Holy Ghost filled on April 27, 2014. A James White vs Steven Ritchie Debate would be awesome and solidifying!!!

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Eddie Mansy Brother, thanks for your powerful testimony. There are many like you who have become Oneness believers via online ministry throughout the world. That is why I am laboring night and day to produce apologetic books and videos online. And this is why we are currently translating all of our books and booklets into one language per month and posting them with searchable tags in each language. Brother, would you be willing to send us your testimony so we can post it in our quarterly newsletter? You can email us at theglobalimpactministries@gmail.com

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Trinity Apologetics They don't want to debate me because they know they can't win.

@ShadowStriker777

8 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries Sure no problem, brother Ritchie. I'll be more than willing to send you guys my testimony about how i went from a Trinitarian beliver to an Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal believer just by watching the debate between you and pastor Bruce Bennett. That was the debate (at around the 29:00 minutes into the debate) that did it for me, that gave me the revelation of who Jesus really is. That was the exact moment when my light bulb just glowed and i was like, "WOW!!!" and everything was history from there. Yes, i'll definitely email my testimony. But you'll have to give me some time. So busy with work and other things i dont' want to rush through with it, if you don't mind. Prasie the Lord. Trinity Apologetics Hello brother. I don't see what's the harm or big deal with Dr White and/or Edward Dalcour debating Brother Steven Ritchie. I would love to see Dr. White and brother Ritchie debate. James White and Edward Dalcour were my 2 favorite Trinitarian apologists back in the days. No matter what, the TRUTH will always stand and as far as i'm concern, a White vs Ritchie would be the best debate i've seen becuase both makes good points and have valid reasons. It can also be a White + Dalcour Versus Ritchie. Or a White+Dalcour+Smith versus Ritchie would be the best! God bless you, brother Smith... In Jesus Name!!!

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

To be fair James Whites passion is debating Muslims. He is not worried about you.

@leonardhunt5677

5 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 In the beginning was the Word, who had a God-body Philippians chapter 2 verse 6, and the Word was with (Greek, looking toward) God, and was God' had the same beginning as God Isaiah chapter 43 verse 10 'before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me'. It was the Word who was made flesh because God made a body for the Word Hebrews chapter 10 verse 5 'a body have you prepared me' Philippians chapter 2 verse 7 'was made in the likeness of men Philippians chapter 2 verse 7 'in the likeness of sinful flesh Romans chapter 8 verse 3 'in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren' Hebrews 2nd chapter verse 17, tempted in all points as we Hebrews chapter 4 verse 15, therefore not any longer a true God John chapter 17 verse 3 'he humbled himself and became obedient' 'my Father is greater than I' John chapter 14 verse 28.

I have only one body and only one soul and only one name, and yet i am still only one person. And JESUS has only one body and only one Spirit and only one Name, and yet HE was only one Person.

The Nicene Creed??? Is it not written? Swear on nothing, neither in Heaven nor on earth.

If john 1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God well Jesus is the word that was with God and he was God

@globalimpactministries766

6 жыл бұрын

1 Peter 1:20 states that the Messiah was "foreknown before the foundation of the world..." Rev. 13:8 states that the Messiah was already "the Lamb which was slain from the foundation of the world." Galatians 2:5 states, "that the truth of the gospel may stay with (pros) you." The truth of the message was with (pros) the Galatians Christians just as the foreordained message of God the Father was with (pros) God from the very beginning of time (Titus 1:2; 2 Tim. 1:9).

Wow, he makes it so simple!

God is love therefore there must be unity within the Godhead love is not selfish.when God says let us make man in OUR image and OUR likeness God knows what he is saying that is a dialogue within the Godhead just like when God the Father says of the son thy throne oh God in Hebrew 1:8 or when Jesus says he is the Almighty.in revelation 1 : 8 God knows what he is talking about these scriptures are clear but people choose not to believe

13:10 amazing reasoning, how is this type of thinking possible? Only blindness could account for this type of reasoning. The only visible person mentioned by Paul is the Lord/Christ and the other "two" are spirits, but the speaker believes God is one spirit, but Paul already said One God, but the speaker says that Paul also says one Spirit so it means that Paul is speaking of three persons....WHAT!

I wonder why Steven Ritchie's research on scholarship is not exhaustive. He almost always cannot respond to Ethan Smith when he ask him to respond to the scholars very own writings. The problem with Steven Ritchie and many Oneness proponents is that they cannot find any single reputable and respected Old Testament and New Testament scholar from their own ranks. I am surprise that as they use the lexicons of these scholars they pick and choose only what suits their belief while ignoring their other word expositions. This practice is very dishonest and unfortunate.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Justyn M. What alleged examples can you provide to show that I could not respond to Trinitarian scholars? I clearly proved that the Greek word "huparchon" in Philippians 2:6 literally means to come into a particular condition rather than always being in that condition. Thus proving that Jesus could not have pre-existed in "the form of God" before coming into existence in the form of God via his virgin conception. Did Mr. Smith respond to Dr. Alfred Marshall's definition of the word "huparchon"?"The coming into existence of what did not exist before." "This verb is therefore not used of God...." Nor did Mr. Smith have any response to Thayer's definition of the word. Thayer's Greek Lexicon - "NT 5225: ὑπάρχω ὑπάρχω; imperfect ὑπῆρχον;" "Properly, TO BEGIN below, to make A BEGINNING; universally, TO BEGIN; (Homer, Aeschylus, Herodotus, and following). For the most part, Trinitarian scholars honestly give the direct meaning of the inspired texts. However, they sometimes give their biased interpretations when commenting on the texts because they have an agenda to support the Trinitarian doctrine. Therefore, just like highly educated scientists who believe in general evolution often distort the facts, so do Trinitarian scholars often distort the facts to support their presupposed opinions. Do you really believe that Oneness Pentecostal scholars would be respected as reputable scholars while Trinitarians greatly outnumber us? I know many of our brethren who have Masters and Doctorate degrees. However, most of us are convinced that anointed spiritual inspiration and revelation is more powerful than being educated in seminaries.

@justynmartyr379

8 жыл бұрын

+Global Impact Ministries Why don't you watch and listen starting 2:22:09 where Ethan Smith after quoting a scholar on the subject of huparchon said, "Now, I'd like you to respond to that." Your response was very quick in this way, "Well I don't have the Greek scholarship with whatever you have quoting from but..." That simply means the Oneness people are ignorant of the full understanding of the Greek word huparchon. You are simply quoting a portion of the statement made by the Trinitarian scholars while leaving behind the rest. Remember Mr Ritchie, the scholarly books you are using are written by respected and reputable Trinitarians. The way you interpret huparchon will surely be frowned upon by those Trinitarian authors you are quoting. If you think that the Trinitarian scholars have a dishonest agenda then I would suggest that you not use their literature. Please try to look for lexicons that would support your Oneness view. You will be surprise to know that there is none because the Greek word strongly supports that of the Trinitarian doctrine. No scholar can honestly do a Greek word study of the Scripture without being led towards the Trinitarian doctrine. This is not a bias interpretation but an honest study of the Scripture.

@Mecaliman

8 жыл бұрын

+Justyn M. The religious in Jesus day who had the Hebrew Bible......scholars from their own ranks completely missed who Jesus was. They crucified Him in fact! They had Isa 9:6, Isa 53, ect. they had the Psalms they had all the prophecies concerning the messiah and yet with their own religious scholarship they missed Jesus altogether! All this from their own writings ....this is being repeated today!!

@justynmartyr379

8 жыл бұрын

+James Morris It's not about scholarship but pride. Many of them obviously knew who that the prophecy is slowly being fulfilled by Jesus but they refused to accept and believe because of fear and pride. So please, let's stop thinking that scholarship has something to do about it. If not for this Trinitarian scholars who meticulously and carefully translated the Hebrew and Greek into our languages, you will not have an english Bible version in your hand.

@Mecaliman

8 жыл бұрын

+Justyn M. I would say the same "fear and pride" is evident today in the trinitarian world. Fear and pride are very evident in the trinitarian rejection of Isa 9:6. We hear it all the time. They reject JESUS as "the everlasting Father" same title in Isa 63:16, same writer.

I ain’t even 3 mins in and Steven Ritchie win whenever the speaker said that Ethan Smith said that Calvinism is very biblical might as well not even debate or go to church or worship God if you are predestined to go to heaven or hell without a choice

what I don't understand is that they believe in the trinity but no where in the bible the word trinity does not appear in it at all so if it isn't why do they preach it!!! to believe something should there be proof that its there look for yourself!!!!!!

Nice to see that Smith finally developed his own style. Very nice.

@jacobmelmida9375

7 жыл бұрын

without a bias statement, both of you presented your side very weel and very impressive academically, both are very smart, but for me, bro. Steven Ritchie defended oneness truth very well according to the scriptures

please find Three persons in scriptures that say God is Three persons in One God in unity.(God the Son). (God the Holy Spirit) (Coequil-Coeternal) Face to face with each other) are these words in scriptures??? 2Peter 3:16 unlearn men twist Paul's letters as they twist the scriptures. If it's not in scriptures the same way that they teach the Trinity with the same words they say,do not believe them. Colossians 2:8 Beware that any one cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit. 2Thess 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means--a falling away come first, then the man of sin will be revealed, (Men that change God's laws times and dates lawless one,-Means the people with out God's laws. all of them not just some

It was a absolute beat down of Ethan Smith, the man may want to try studying the Bible and knowing something what he is gonna say and not try to put the other fellows ideas out, without knowledge what he knows.

13:40 Uses the word trinity but redefines it. Poor guy. Why not drop the word and work with your own definition at least then you would be able to find the truth eventually... how is the holy spirit a separate person but the eternal self-aware spirit of the father and son, but the father and son are separate spirits as well...MADNESS. Sounds like he's trying to define one spirit and one person but is tied up with the fact that he was taught this word trinity

Don't forget to SUBSCRIBE to this channel. TRINITARIANS OFTEN ALLEGE THAT THE ANGEL OF YAHWEH WHO WAS SENT BY YAHWEH IS ANOTHER COEQUAL YAHWEH GOD PERSON. Yet how can an alleged pre-incarnate God the Son be an Almighty God the Son while being sent as a distinct Almighty? For he that sends is greater than he who is sent. It was as a man that Jesus could say that "My Father is GREATER THAN I." According to John 5:26 the Son was "granted" a distinct "life in himself" via virgin conception. That was when the child born and son given was "given the name which above every name" (Phil. 2:9). According to Jeremiah, God the Father said, "I will raise to David a righteous branch and a king shall reign... and this his name whereby HE SHALL BE CALLED YAHWEH our righteousness." Since the Son "shall be called Yahweh," we know that the Son as the Son could not have possessed the divine Name as his own until it was "given" to him (John 17:11; Hebrews 1:4). The angel (or messenger) of Yahweh was asked by Manoah what His name was and the Angel (or Messenger) of Yahweh said to Manoah “Why do you ask what my name is, since it is Wonderful”? Some argue that this angel of Yahweh had to be Yahweh because his name is "wonderful." Why can't the names of some of the angels be wonderful? The book of Enoch lists the names of the seven archangels (Jude Cited the book of Enoch in Jude 14). The names of the seven archangel's are certainly wonderful. Michael's name means, "he who is as God," Gabriel means 'God is my strength,' Raphael means "God has healed," Uriel means "angel of light" or "flame of God," Raquel means "friend of God," Remiel means "Mercy of God," and Saraqel means "God is my splendor." Since the names of the seven archangels all have something to do with God and His attributes, we can easily see why many of the names of the angels would be wonderfully named just as they were wonderfully created. The messenger OF YAHWEH could not be the Almighty Himself. For He who sends is always greater than he who is sent. Hebrews 1:5 cites the words of God the Father referencing the Father's prophetic utterance about his future Son out of 2 Samuel 7:14, "I WILL BE to him a Father and he WILL BE to Me a son." If the Son of God was a living Son before the virgin conception then why would God the Father Himself state that He would be a Father to his son in the prophetic future? The Trinitarian argument that God is 2 and 3 Persons in divine nature like 2 or 3 human beings each have the same human nature but not the same authority as each other is completely absurd. For how could an Almighty Person be truly Almighty if he does not have the same authority as the other One or Two Almighty God Persons? For unless a divine person is 100% Almighty he could not be completely Almighty, could he? Trinitarians who really believe that God is as radically distinct as two and three human beings have clearly fallen into Di-theism and Tri-theism. What Bible verse ever says that God as God has a "relationship" with Himself? The only relationship we see in scripture is a post incarnational Father and Son relationship because our omnipresent Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit also became an authentic human spirit via virgin conception and birth (Heb. 1:3; Heb. 2:14-17; Matthew 1:20; John 17:8; John 16:27-28, Luke 1:35).

The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself: 1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3). 1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS! 2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6) 2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.” 3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28) 3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…” 4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31) 4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity." 5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28) 5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.” 6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.” 6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.” 7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23) 7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.” So, do the Bible and the Catholic trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! As the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.”

Son is not the Father so the Son of God is not God the Son. Son is subject to the Father so it is not co-equal. The Son has to obey the Father.

@eddiemccline6163

8 жыл бұрын

Amen

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

I thought Eddie Mccline was a Trinitarian. Yet he just denied a coequal God the Son by saying, "Amen" to a Socinian Unitarian who said that "the Son of God is not God the Son." Does Edie believe that Jesus is just a mere man like Socinian Unitarians?

@josephho3099

8 жыл бұрын

Matthew 10:40New International Version (NIV) 40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. Jesus was sent by God, as in John 3:16. John 3:34New International Version (NIV) 34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God[a] gives the Spirit without limit. John 7:16New International Version (NIV) 16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. If Jesus is God the Son, his teachings would be his own, yet he says his teachings is from God his Father. John 8:18New International Version (NIV) 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.” John 13:16New International Version (NIV) 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Jesus is the servant and he was sent, so the sender is greater than him, in his own words. So how can he be God the Son, he is the Son of God. I have not a single verse in the bible that says Jesus is God the Son, always the Son of God. Jesus is not co-equal with God. If you cannot believe in the words of Jesus who then can you believe in as Jesus is our Saviour and he testifies to the truth. So you prefer to believe in men than the Son of the Living God.? Then you are not a Christian as you do not believe in the words of Jesus himself. This is the crux of the matter whether you believe in Jesus or men. 1 John 5:10New International Version (NIV) 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. God testimony of his Son is in John 3:16. Why this verse did not say "whoever believes in the God the So, but the Son of God?" Why didn't the bible make this clear when it had many chances and occasions to do so. The Son of God is not the same as God the Son.

@josephho3099

8 жыл бұрын

Jesus came to do the will of his God. Hebrews 10:5-7New International Version (NIV) 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll- I have come to do your will, my God.’”

@eddiemccline6163

8 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries​ Am not Trinitarian or a Oneness am just baptize believer in Jesus Christ the Son of God

Hebrews 1:8 revelation 1:8

John 16:13King James Version (KJV)13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.The Holy Spirit cannot speak on his own authority and yet he is the eternal Spirit, Spirit of the Lord. Trinity cannot explain why the Holy Spirit does not speak on his own self since he is also God.

@jonashuovila9287

8 жыл бұрын

If you think that is confusing, according to ritchie the Holy Spirit is God the Father and Jesus is also God the Father. So if we use Richies logic that verse will look like this: John 16:13King James Version (KJV)13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (God the Father), is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. So God the father won't speak of himself, but he will speak what he hears, if God the father is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who will he hear stuff from that he can speak? The Holy Spirit cannot speak on his own authority and yet he is the eternal Spirit, Spirit of the Lord. Trinity cannot explain why the Holy Spirit does not speak on his own self since he is also God. "The Holy Spirit cannot speak on his own authority" According to Ritchie God the father is the Holy spirit so by this text God the father can't speak on his own authority even thou he is God....

@josephho3099

8 жыл бұрын

The Holy Spirit is a sent Spirit that brings the will of God the Father to his people. Jesus is the mediator as he knows our weakness. So God can give us a better plan for our lives. Although the Holy Spirit issues from God, he will not speak another thing of his own he only speaks for God, so in that sense, the Holy Spirit is not the full Spirit of God. Ritchie is Oneness and he confuses these things as he makes things so complex that he lost the simplistic nature of God and Jesus. I have had many rounds with Ritchie and he needs the Holy Spirit to bring revelation to his soul. The letter kills but the Spirit brings life. Without true revelation from the Holy Spirit we will all not know the truth. Its revealed and cannot be learnt from the scriptures. As scriptures can be twisted by preconceived minds redefining and adding things to sui their human theology. We have to get to know the true God and not the God which we wants him to be in our own human mind.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

After the incarnation, the Holy Spirit of God exists in two ways. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit outside of the incarnation in action and emanation, while the Holy Spirit who became the divinity of the Christ child in the incarnation (Matthew 1:20) is God's new manifestations as the Spirit of truth inside the incarnation as our Paracletos (advocate and intercessor). John 16:13 is addressing Christ as the indwelling Spirit who does not speak of Himself, but only what he HEARS from the Father. Trinitarians cannot explain how the Holy Spirit as a third coequal divine God Person could not speak of Himself, but only what HE HEARS from the Father. Nor can Socinians who deny the deity of Christ like Joseph Ho, explain how the Holy Spirit can speak what HE HEARS if he is just a power or force of the Father. I asked Joseph Ho if the Holy Spirit was personal or impersonal. He refused to answer until I kept pressing him. He says that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father as a power rather than a Person. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father who also became the Spirit of Christ as "One Lord, one faith, one Spirit ... One God and Father of all, through all, and in all." Since God is only One Spirit, the Holy Spirit must be the same Spirit of the Father while also becoming the Spirit of Christ in the incarnation as a true human child born and son given (Romans 8:9, 2 Cor. 3:17).

@jonashuovila9287

8 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries while the Holy Spirit who became the divinity of the Christ child in the incarnation (Matthew 1:20) is God's new manifestations as the Spirit of truth inside the incarnation as our Paracletos (advocate and intercessor). Looks like you are completly lost in the bible, one second you say God the fathers right Hand is Jesus and now apperently the Holy Spirit split into 2 and 1 of these splits did become Jesus and now God the fathers rigt Hand. And while all this happened still Jesus stayed 100% human......

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

Jonas Huovila Trinitarians also allege that Jesus is fully God and fully man. If you are a Trinitarian then you are attacking your own theology. Jesus is 100% man as to his true human nature and 100% God as to his divine identity and nature as God Himself with us as a true man. "Split into two" is not scripturally accurate. When God became a true man through His own Holy Spirit in the virgin, When a person makes a copy from an original, he does not break something into two pieces in order to make that copy. The original remains unchanged (outside of the incarnation) while the copy is produced from the original (a new copy from the substance of Being of the Father). Jesus our Messiah (the Anointed One) was reproduced as a copy of our Heavenly Father's own substance of Being to form the man Child within the virgin. Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:35 prove that Jesus was formed by the Holy Spirit who is the Father's Spirit. This is clearly expressed in Hebrews 1:3. "who being the brightness of his glory (the Father's) and the express image of His Person (the Father's)." Jesus the Christ is clearly the brightness, glory, and express image of the Father's person as a fully complete human person via incarnation through the virgin. Charakter in Greek means a "reproduction or imprinted copy from an original" and hypostasis means the "substance of Being or Person" of the Father. Hence, the man Christ Jesus was reproduced from the substance of Being of the Father's Holy Spirit who descended upon the Hebrew virgin as recorded in Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:20.

Ethan Smith said that he did not think that any Oneness Theologians taught that the human spirit of the man Christ Jesus became a life-giving Spirit so "that he might fill all things (Ephes. 4:10)" as the indwelling omnipresent Spirit. The late brother Robert Sabin also taught that God became a true man just like I taught in my past debates. Here are some quotes I took from Robert Sabin's article, A ONENESS PERSPECTIVE OF JOHN 16:13 When the Spirit inhabits the believer as the indweller, inhabiter, the Spirit, according to John 14:18 and many other texts, IS THE MAN, Jesus, glorified, made a quickening Spirit, and indwelling the believers. Jesus in the believer, therefore, speaks as he did while on earth, only what the divine Father reveals to the human Son, that is, only what he "hears." Specifically, just what do the words, "He shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak," mean? This phrase, "He shall not speak of himself," is a common Johanine phrase, most often applied to Jesus Christ as a sort of hallmark of his ministry. It was Jesus while on earth who did "not speak of himself," who in all things that he spoke attributed his words to an enabler, to the Father, who enabled him to speak and gave him the words. John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether I speak God, or WHETHER I SPEAK OF MYSELF. John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I AM NOT COME OF MYSELF, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF MYSELF; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Thus we see that the phrase, "I speak not of myself," with some variations, is a phrase commonly on the lips of Jesus which identifies the uniqueness of his ministry. Indeed, it is a special characteristic of the manner in which he speaks, a hallmark. He is not the originator of the words of his message. He is not the enabler of his own prophet-ic voice. He is one who is enabled by another, one who speaks another's message. Just who the enabler might be is made perfectly clear by Jesus himself. John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I SPEAK THAT WHICH I HAVE SEEN WITH MY FATHER: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things THAT I HAVE HEARD OF MY FATHER I have made known unto you. And again, John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Thus, Jesus provided the voice for his message, but the origina-tor of the words of the message was the Father. The words were the words of God; the voice was the voice of a man. Once spoken, he could refer to the words as either "his words" or the "Father's words" with-out significant distinctions. The words themselves, originated by God, spoken by the Messiah, were true words, words that would judge the hearers. Those who regularly heard Jesus speak might be expected to recognize the phrase, "He shall not speak of himself," as an identifying phrase, a hallmark, of Jesus himself. Thus, when Jesus referred to the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, as one who "speaks what he hears," he was referring to himself in another capacity in regard to believers. He who was with them would be in them. He who lived in the fleshly body would live as a quickening Spirit. He who was living in space would live omnipresently. And yet, he would retain his identity and his prerogatives as a man. In the light of the plain words of John 14:18, the Comforter that Jesus "sends" from the Father is actually himself, "I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU" (John 14:18). The "another Comforter" is Jesus Christ glorified, made a quickening Spirit, inhabiting the disciples. In like manner the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father and testifies of Jesus, and which he described in John 16:13, is himself. He had "proceeded forth and came from God," John 8:42; he did not come "of himself," but was "sent;" he did not speak "of him-self." This inhabiter is none other than Jesus Christ glorified, made a quickening Spirit, inhabiting the disciples. The phrase, "not speak of himself," are the words of prophetic enablement, which is the manner in which God gives his words to any true prophet of God and most specifically to the one prophet of God that would be raised up. The clear mark of identity of this prophet is that he, as Moses, would speak God's words, not his own words. This is the way that Jesus spoke while he lived on earth. This is the way that Jesus would continue to speak when he lived in the Holy-Ghost-filled disciples. Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A PROPHET SHALL THE LORD YOU GOD RAISE UP UNTO YOU OF YOUR BRETHREN, LIKE UNTO ME; him shall ye hear. Jesus Christ was "that prophet," the prophet like unto Moses, the prophet who did not speak of himself but spake as he "heard," as he "was taught," the words of God. This was the outstanding characteristic of his ministry, the hallmark of his manner of speech. When the words HOLY SPIRIT occur in the New Testament referring to the times after the Ascension, exaltation and glorification of Jesus Christ, the words HOLY SPIRIT may refer to the Spirit of the creator, acting and moving: or the words HOLY SPIRIT may refer to the glorified Son of God acting in his human capacity; John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, HE HATH SHED FORTH THIS, WHICH YE NOW SEE AND HEAR. Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, BUT THE HOLY GHOST. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him. There were several things different about the Spirit as spoken of in John 16:13 and the Spirit as spoken of in other places. Obvious differences include that the Spirit in John 16:13 was an inhabiter, that the Spirit in John 15:13 was the glorified Christ. A "creature capacity" was included in what the Holy Ghost was subsequent to Jesus' exaltation and glorification. Jesus, a creature, was made a "quickening Spirit," (I Corinthians 15:45). I Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. There is still just one Spirit. I Corinthians 12:13 For by ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by ONE SPIRIT unto the Father. Ephesians 4:4 [There is] one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; The one Spirit had both human and divine capacity. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. 10 And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. 11 But if the SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS FROM THE DEAD dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.More quotes from Robert Sabin's Article on "A Oneness Perspective of John 16:13" on the post below.More info at ApostolicChristianFaith.com or Type in "Two Advocates or One, John 14:26" on the KZread Search.

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8 жыл бұрын

More quotes from Robert Sabin's Article on A Oneness Perspective of John 16:13: Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by HIS SPIRIT in the inner man; 17 THAT CHRIST MAY DWELL IN YOUR HEARTS by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, VI. Why is it that Jesus in us, the Holy Ghost, the one Spirit of truth, is still referred to as having "human capacity," a being able to "speak not of himself," to speak only "what he hears"? When Jesus Christ lived on earth, he had both human and divine capacities, was at the same time both God and man, Father and Son, prophetic enabler and prophet. Jesus Christ in the heart of believers may still act in human capacity, which he does when he makes intercession for us, when he "speaks what he hears," when he acts as high priest, when he mediates. The humanity of Jesus is absolutely essential to the salvation of the world. He will not be able to fully declare, reveal and manifest his true deity until the last soul is saved through his capacity as a human savior and redeemer. By telling the disciples in John 16:13 that the inhabiting Spirit would not "speak of himself, but would speak what he hears," Jesus was telling them that there was unbroken continuity between his bodily presence with them and his spiritual presence in them. The Inhabiting Christ would still be "speaking what he hears." He would be acting in the prophet mode just as he also acted in the human lamb/sacrifice mode or in the mediatorial mode. His words would still be conveying the absolute words of God, of the Father. It would not be necessary for them to adjust to some new method of relating to or of listening to Jesus. Does this mean that there are two persons in the believer? Again, the answer is no. Only one being inhabits the believer. That being is the glorified Christ. He is God; He is man. The Holy Ghost is the Spirit that raised up Jesus from the dead and is also the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: BUT THE TIME COMETH, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 AT THAT DAY ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: By speaking in proverbs, i.e. enigmatic language, Jesus was able to perform as a perfect man, a man in perfect relationship with the Creator. He was able to be "in all things like unto his brethren." In doing so, he avoided the sin of Lucifer, that of "grasping" God's prerogatives (Isaiah 14:14). Even when he inhabits the believers, the glorified Christ, though truly the One God manifest in the flesh, still speaks and operates within the strictures placed upon him as a human being. He still "speaks what he hears." CONCLUSION: The words "For he shall not speak of himself," in John 16:13 refer to the inhabiting Spirit of the exalted Christ. Jesus continues to possess his human capacities as well as his divine capacities even while he inhabits believers. More info on this subject in my new article and video, "Are There Two Advocates or One, John 14:26." Type this in on the KZread search or find it at ApostolicChristianFaith.com

@onewaytogodjesus4922

7 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries Yes what verses in the Bible teach that Jesus is both God and man? The only verses in the Bible I can find is Acts 2:36 where the apostles Peter declared that God the Father man his Son Jesus Christ both Lord and Christ.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Since the chapter and verse divisions of the Bible were added later, we need to look at passages in context to show the full humanity and deity of Jesus. 1 Timothy 3:16 and Hebrews 2:14 speaks of Jesus pre-existing as God before partaking of flesh and blood. Then Heb. 2:17 states that the God who partook of flesh and blood was "made fully human in every way." Matthew 1:18-23 and Hebrews 1:3 also show that the Son was made "out of" (ek) the Holy Spirit as the reproduced image (Heb. 1:3 - charakter) of the Father's substance of Being as a fully complete human being. Isaiah 9:6 identifies the child born and son given as "the Mighty God and Everlasting Father."

@onewaytogodjesus4922

7 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries Hebrews 1:1-8 say God the Father spoke to us by his Son Jesus Christ. 2 John 1:3

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7 жыл бұрын

Hebrews 1:3 proves that the son is "the brightness of his glory (the Father's) and the express image of his Person (the Father's Person)" as a fully complete human person (Heb. 2:17). This explains how God the Father spoke to us by His Son in these last days. For the Holy Spirit of the Father came down from heaven to become the Christ child. 2 John 1:3 speaks of only One God and one man rather than two or three God Persons. Trinitarians cannot explain why the Holy Spirit (as an alleged distinct third God Person) is missing from so many important scriptures. "Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love." 2 John 1:3

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Notice: Name singular, three persons.

@milkeh3061

2 жыл бұрын

where does it say persons? its titles.. do not add unto the word of the lord

@jamessheffield4173

2 жыл бұрын

@@milkeh3061 The Father is a person; Jesus is a person. Like unto me the Paraclete or advocate would be a person. Q.E.D.

@milkeh3061

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessheffield4173 Jesus says he would send an advocate and in the very next verse he says I will be with you always I will never leave you. For the advocate to come Jesus had to leave. The Advocate is the presence of God. Not a person. Do not add into the scripture.

@jamessheffield4173

2 жыл бұрын

@@milkeh3061 An advocate is like a lawyer who is a person.

@milkeh3061

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessheffield4173 that’s in human terms. So when Jesus says “You are of Your father the Devil” does he mean the devil birthed them?! Does the Holy Spirit walk around with a briefcase and then reports back to the father? In that case Jesus is a body part because he is the Right hand of God.

Jesus said no man knows the key is no man knows

God could have 1 mind or 3 . lol i guess when we talk to God we really don't know what center of mind consciousness we are talking to it could be the 1 person or 2 or 3 we just have to assumed we are just talking to God. He really doesn't even know if he really is talking to God.

Is the resurrection not a "rebirth"? Lmbo WOW...even his rebuttal is messy. He really fell off his game this time around.

I don't believe this guy believes his own words. He looks lost.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones Your spirit of ridicule is not appreciated. I can assure you that I believe every single word I spoke and that I'm willing to die for the truth of the gospel. Professing Christians who resort to such ridicule are no better than the Pharisees of old who persecuted Christ and his apostles.

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

"I don't believe" that's an opinion and I'm allowed to have it. You just told on yourself and I don't care what you do or don't appreciate. You look lost. It's in the video that you posted. You put it here for the world to judge.

Good job Br. Ritchie to bring up Romans 1 the revelation in nature leads us to conclude with the Bible revelation that God is one. We are not three "rational conscious individuals"(7:42) made in God's image we are each "one person" Jesus is the very image of the "invisible God" One God and one man, united in JESUS Titus 2:13-14 our great God and saviour who gave HIMSELF FOR US!! It was not a second "rational conscious individual" but the very one God Himself as a "son" "child born" Isa 9:6/10:21

@Mecaliman

8 жыл бұрын

+Trinity Apologetics Mr. Smith, You and I are made in the image of God. We agree. I would hope you agree that you are not three "rational conscious individuals" which is what you said in your opening remarks. Rom 1:20 For the * invisible things of him from the creation* of the world are clearly seen, *being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;* so that they are without excuse: We are *made* in the image of God we reflect our Creator. (Matthew 19:4) "He which made them at the beginning made them male and female" We should all be three "rational conscious individuals" if we are made in the image of the trinitarian God.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+James Morris Thanks for your comments exposing the Trinity doctrine. Trinitarians cannot get around the scriptural evidence proving that God has only one divine mind and one divine consciousness. God cannot be three divine persons without having three minds and three personal centers of self consciousness. A God with more than one divine mind, will, and consciousness could not be one God. Only Oneness Theology upholds the full deity of Christ while harmonizing all the Biblical data. For the One God also entered into His creation to become a true man among men via incarnation through the virgin.

@Mecaliman

8 жыл бұрын

+Global Impact Ministries Amen and Amen!!!

Isaiah 9:6 explain the Father Son Holy Spirit in 1 God the Son is all 3 We have only one Father, One God, One and the same self Spirit Self existing One, Wonderful, Consuler is the Holy Spirit, the Son shall be called the Father Son and Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 confirm this, and they knew this as Jesus (Yeshua) Son of the Father, God made flesh God with us, in the beginning God said , His word made every thing did God love the Son, and can God talk with Jesus in beginning??? Yes Nothing is impossible for God Why do trinity people limit God what God can't make Himself into flesh?? and still be the Only true God?? Shame on you guys too limit the Mighty God that made every thing by just thing are saying it

YHWH Elohim is Eternal Great Gods Melakh YHWH is Angel Eternal HaEl Olam is The God Olam, Olam means age or time; seemly Eternal.

Mr. Smith briefly stated that Sabellius incorporated Gnosticism into his theology. Here is my video response proving that Arianism and Trinitarianism was developed through Gnostic Greek Platonic thought. kzread.info/dash/bejne/f6ON18aIm9bfeLA.html

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8 жыл бұрын

During the cross exam, I asked Mr. Smith to answer Mark 13:32 which says, “But of that day or hour, NO ONE KNOWS, not even THE ANGELS in heaven, nor THE SON, but THE FATHER ALONE.” Mark 13:32 presents an insurmountable problem for Trinitarians. Most Trinitarian Theologians believe an alleged Heavenly God the Son retained His omnipresent All-Knowingness as a distinct Person in heaven while He simultaneously existing as a man on the earth. How then could an alleged All Knowing Heavenly Son who never lost His omniscience (All Knowingness) NOT HAVE KNOWN the DAY and HOUR of His own appearing? And how exactly could an alleged non-incarnate ALL KNOWING God the Holy Spirit Person not have known THE DAY and THE HOUR of Christ’s second coming, but THE FATHER ALONE? Rather than answering these questions directly, Mr. Smith jumped to Revelation 19:12 to answer my questions (Smith condemns me of eisegesis for sometimes citing other passages when I answer him). Revelation 19:11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.…Mr. Smith brought up Rev. 19:12 because it says, "He has a name written on Him that ONLY HE HIMSELF KNOWS." Smith compared Revelation 19:12 with Mark 13:32 which says, "“But of that day or hour, NO ONE KNOWS, not even THE ANGELS in heaven, nor THE SON, but THE FATHER ALONE.” HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH MR. SMITH'S RESPONSE.1. HEAVENLY BEING MAY KNOW THE NAME WRITTEN ON CHRISTRev. 19:12 says, "He has a name written on Him that ONLY HE HIMSELF KNOWS." Notice that the text says nothing about beings in heaven not knowing "his name written on him." Since the context of Revelation 19 is addressing Jesus returning to the earth on "a white horse," it makes sense to believe that no one living on the earth would know the name written on him. Mark 13:32 specifically mentions "the angels in heaven" and "the Son" himself not knowing the day and the hour of his own appearing. Since Mark 13:32 addressing being in heaven not knowing, it rules out the possibility that Jesus was only addressing people on earth not knowing the day and hour. In contradistinction, Revelation 19:12 says nothing about the angels in heaven not knowing the name written upon Christ.2. IF HEAVENLY PERSONS BESIDE JESUS DO NOT KNOW THAT NAME IN HEAVEN, THERE CANNOT BE TWO OTHER ALL-KNOWING DIVINE PERSONS. If Revelation 19:12 is also addressing persons in heaven not knowing the Name written on Christ, then this presents and insurmountable problem for Trinitarians. For Rev. 19:12 would be an untrue statement if there were three God Persons in heaven who would each have known that name because each alleged Divine Person would have His own divine mind, His own self awareness, and His own self consciousness. For how could only Christ know the name written on him in heaven if there are two other alleged all knowing persons of a Trinity in heaven? Only Oneness believers have no problem with this verse if it is also addressing heavenly persons. For Oneness adherents believe that the deity of Jesus is God the Father Himself revealed. So if the passage is speaking about heavenly persons (angelic and divine), not knowing that name, then Jesus has to be the Holy Spirit of the Father Himself who is the only omniscient God. Since Arians like Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is an angelic creature, they can't explain why Jesus knows the name written on him, but not the Father. Likewise, Socinian Unitarians cannot explain how a mere man in heaven knows the name written on him, but not the omniscient Father. So if Jesus is not the omniscient Father, all professing Christian camps are left with no explanation. Oneness Theology has no problem with Mark 13:32 because we believe that the Holy Spirit of the only true God is the omnipresent Father who never lost any of His unchangeable divine attributes while simultaneously becoming a man as the arm of Jehovah revealed. But Trinitarians believe that the Holy Spirit is a coequally distinct All Knowing God the Holy Spirit Person in heaven. How then could another God the Holy Spirit have not known the day and hour of Christ’s second coming, “but THE FATHER ALONE?”Here we can see that the Trinitarian explanations for Mark 13:32 and Revelation 19:12 does not have a rational explanation, while these verses do make sense to us Oneness Pentecostals.

Trinitarians state that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit from Eternity are perfectly united in "will", "mind", "plan" and that there was NEVER a time when God the Son thought or plan something different from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.... But all of this falls apart by just reading John 6:38 and John 8:42. The supposed 'God the Son' states that: "I have come NOT to do my own will but will of Him who sent me", he also states: "...For I DID NOT come on My own, but He sent Me". The question to Trinitarians is that if God the Father and God the Son, both from Eternity have one thought or plan, then why did "God the Son" (who according to Trinity is co-equal, co-eternal with God the Father) said: "I have come NOT to do my own will, but will of Him who sent me"??. Why it was NOT 'God the Son's' will if he is co-equal, co-eternal person, having one "thought" or "will" from Eternity with God the Father???. The Fact is that these verses got Nothing to do with any pre-existent 'God the Son' coming literally down from heaven. These verses makes sense only if God the Father revealed His plan to His only Begotten Son and prepares him for his ultimate life purpose for which he was brought forth or born Miraculously. Jesus did not suddenly decide on his own that he will sacrifice himself, rather it was God the Father who revealed everything to Jesus. And being an Obedient humble Son of of God, he obeyed to do his Father's will, even to go on the Cross. That is why Jesus states "I have come Not on my own, but He Sent me". The Trinitarian interpretation of 'God the Son' coming from some location called "heaven" to earth is completely wrong. They often apply John 6:38 and John 8:42 to support preexistent "God the Son", but by doing they do not realise that it backfires their own doctrine and shows that they are "Tritheists".

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

You just answered your own question.

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

Well, Trinitarians cannot adequately explain their own doctrine anyway. They own doctrine become their enemy. Their own doctrine causes them to stumble.

@fromfaithtofaith1299

8 жыл бұрын

It make no sense when you say "their own doctrine cause them to stumble". If you cannot accept doctrine obviously you the one who stumble and become an enemy against doctrine. But if you want to refute, why not also tell us the truth. Whats the point if what you state show not who Jesus really is? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.Matthew 16:13

@golddiamond7440

8 жыл бұрын

It states: "You are the Christ the Son of the Living God", and NOT "God the Son". If Jesus is "God the Son", then it was strange that Paul calls Jesus "Image of God" and "Form of God". Paul even states that the Son will be Eternally Subject to God the Father in the Future! (1 Cor 15:24-28). Peter being a Jew would have never imagined that Jesus is "God the Son". Although they had no problem in stating that "fullness of God was in Christ", and that Jesus is the exact image of God. If God is Trinity according to you then why Jesus is not the image of "triune deity" or "God the Son" in the Bible?. Why he states that "he who has seen me has seen the Father" ?. Also, If God is Trinity or Triune, then why Jesus' God was only the "Father", why not other God persons as his God?. Jesus ONLY prayed to the FATHER.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

You have wisdom from heaven in your responses that cannot be refuted. God bless!

Richie is right. Amen.

Hebrews 1 Info: Logos = the Word of God the Father 1 After God (God the Father) in times past spoke to the fathers in many ways and in many ways through the prophets, 2 he (God the Father) has spoken to us in these last days by the Son (the Word of God the Father). Him (the Son, who is the word of God the Father) he (God the Father) appointed to inherit all things, through him (the Son, who is the word of God the Father) he (God the Father) also created the worlds; 3 this (Son, who is the Word of God the Father) is the emanation of His (=God the Fathers) glory and the expression of His (God the Fathers) essence, and sustains all things by the Word of (God the Father in) His power; he (the Word of God the Father), having accomplished (himself) the cleansing of our sins BY HIMSELF, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty (God the Father) on high. (As a human being until everything will be subject to the Word of God the Father through God the Father). 4 And he (the Word of God the Father) is exalted so much above the angels, as the name (Yehowah saves) which he inherited distinguishes him above them. 5 For to which of the angels did he (God the Father) ever say: You are my son (my word) today I have begotten you”? And again: 'I will be his (God's) father, and he will be mine ( own word = ) to be my son"? 6 And when he (God the Father) brings the firstborn (Logos of the Father) AGAIN into the world, he (God the Father) says: “And all the angels of God (the Father) shall worship him (the Word of God the Father)! « 7 Of the angels he (God the Father) says: "He (God the Father) makes his angels winds and his servants flames of fire." 8 but of the Son (the Word of God the Father): Thy throne, O God (Father), endures forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice. 9 You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore, O (Word) God (of the Father), your God (Father) has anointed you with the oil of joy, more than your companions!' 10 And: “You, O Lord (God the Father), founded the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you (God the Father) remain; they will all grow old like a dress, 12 and you (God the Father) will roll them up like a cloak, and they shall be changed. But you (God the Father) remain the SAME, and your years never end.” 13 To which of the angels did he (God the Father) ever say: "(Thou my own word) Sit at my right hand, until I make thy enemies a footstool for thy feet." ? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

2:51:07*

"I dont have the whole thing" lol because you pick and choose.

anyone do a study on the life dwelling in the word...John 1 4 ? who is the life in the word?

Reformers, like this calvinist, brings arguments not debate worthy like "signing the nicene creed'. Basically, its a co-joining document for an institutional church to subjugate leaders into a law document that was used to condemn heretics. Typical calvinist! We are Gods church, and its been splitting towards an underground status. Scriptures demonstrate how His church would end up for the end times, Underground due to being the enemy of the state etc. we are warned by Christ to not fall into the "rich church" or the one that lost "its first love". God is one, and His Spirit manifests through His church for the Gospels sake, building up and for His kingdom. Baptism is important for the remission of sins. Calvinist, trinitarians lose with their agnostic leanings. God bless..

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." - Genesis 1:27 KJV "ויברא אלהים את האדם בצלמו בצלם אלהים ברא אתו זכר ונקבה ברא אתם" - Genesis 1:27 Hebrew (Note: Elohim and Adam are both plural) "Then Elohim(the race of Great Gods) created HaAdam(the race of humans aka Mankind) in his own image, in the image of Great-Gods created He him; male and female created He him." - Genesis 1:27 My Translation "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." - Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV "שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד" - Deuteronomy 6:4 Hebrew "יהוה" = Eternal, Existing, are, is, etc. "Hear, O Israel, Our Eternal Great-Gods First!" - Deuteronomy 6:4 My Translation "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." - Genesis 1:1-2 KJV "בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך על־פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על־פני המים" - Genesis 1:1-2 “The original created Great Gods, with the heavens and with the land, and the land was without form, and the Void-Darkness was above the abyss. And Spirit of Great-Gods moved upon the face of the waters.” - Genesis 1:1-2 My Translation

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

If Elohim meant more than one divine god person in a divinity, then why is it that the Philistine fish god dagon was also called a single Elohim as a single Philistine god in 1 Samuel 5:7? Dagon was a false god (a false Elohim) of the Philistines as a single deity. If Elohim meant more than One God Person within a particular Deity, then God’s word should have plural contexts for both Jehovah and Dagon. Since Elohim is always accompanied by singular verbs for both Jehovah God and for individual pagan gods throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, Elohim must refer to only One Individual God rather than a plurality of three God Persons. In Exodus 7:1 God said that He made Moses “a god (Elohim) to Pharaoh.” If Elohim means more than one God Person, then Moses and Dagon should have been more than one when being called Elohim in Exodus 7:1 and in 1 Samuel 5:7. Oneness author Daniel Segraves wrote that Elohim always appears with singular verbs throughout the Hebrew Bible.“Whenever ELOHIM refers to the one true God, it is always accompanied by singular verbs, although ELOHIM is plural. Whenever ELOHIM refers to more than one false god, it is accompanied by plural verbs. This is significant. Grammatically, when ELOHIM refers to the one true God only, although the word is plural. If the reason ELOHIM is used of the true God is to indicate He is more than one, plural verbs would have to be used. For example, in the first verse of the Bible, the third person masculine singular verb ‘created’ is used with ELOHIM. Since the verb is singular, it is required that He who did the creating is singular. In this case, the only option left to explain the plural form of ELOHIM is that ELOHIM refers to the fullness and intensity of the many majestic attributes of the one true God.”

@innominatusambrosius7103

7 жыл бұрын

"And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, HaAron(The Ark) Elohei(Great God of) Yisroel(Israel) shall not abide with us: for his hand is sore upon us, and upon Dagon [of] our Great Gods." - 1 Samuel 5:7 "And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee like [the] Great Gods to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." - Exodus 7:1 "So Elohim created Adam in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he him." - Genesis 1:27 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that Elohim(Godkind) created Adam(Mankind), in the likeness of Elohim made he him; Male and female created he him; and blessed him, and called his name Adam, in the day of his creation." - Genesis 5:1-2

it seems as if the unitarian is confused! He even says God can not? bringing in his on opinions will never work.

@OurHumbleLife

8 жыл бұрын

There were no unitarians on here.....

If Jesus is fully God, how than is he not the Father?

@prophet88

8 жыл бұрын

+Trinity Apologetics John 14:7-9

@prophet88

8 жыл бұрын

+Trinity Apologetics Who created all things made

@DeJai237

8 жыл бұрын

Because Jesus speaks to the father and the father speaks to him. Because Jesus takes a scroll from the hand of the father. Because The father speaks proudly of his son. Because the will of the son is not his own. Because the son sits in the right side of the father. Because in all of these instances you need two people.

@prophet88

8 жыл бұрын

+DeJai Jones because revelation is heavenly symbolic, because Jesus as a man spake to the Father, because sitting on the right hand of God means sitting on the right hand of power...

@Mecaliman

8 жыл бұрын

*"When the light rested upon me, I saw two personages, whose brightness and glory defined all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said, pointing to the other --'this is my beloved Son. Hear him!'1* Joseph Smith - Mormon Church With the bodily separation that trinitarians are teaching they are now in close fellowship with the Mormons idea of God which is tritheism -polytheism Rev 5 is symbolic. Does Jesus have 7 eyes? Does Jesus have seven horns? Is Jesus a litreral "lamb"

2:52:00 interesting edit.

Jesus, said "Father, if it be possible let this cup pass from me. Not my will, but thy will be done. Jesus as a human had his own will, but humbled himself as a servant became obedient to satisfy the Father's Will. He was separate as a human, but unity by soul and spirit to the Father.

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The reason that the Son did not come in his own glory is because he emptied himself making himself of no reputation as he had to become flesh! That alone should prove what Isaiah 9:6 states: ''For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.'' This mirrors what John 3:16 says which explains that God the Father GAVE HIS only begotten SON through whom anyone who believes in him shall have EVERLASTING life. Another point to consider is the fact that Jesus told his disciples that his Father was in heaven and when he himself prayed to the Father he made it clear that his Father who ART in heaven was the one he prayed to! The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. They are one in each other! Also read Hebrews 2! The whole chapter but then read verse 17 where it states, ''Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.'' Who did it behove? It behoved the Son to be made in the likeness (flesh & blood) of his brethren! How could it have behoved him to be made PRIOR TO being made? Again this ties into the fact that he emptied himself in order TO BE MADE lower than the angels in order for him to be able to DIE for our sins!!

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Tiphanie Morgan Philippians 2:5-9 proves that Jesus was already "in the form of God" as the anointed Christ (Messiah) after his birth rather than before it. Therefore Jesus emptied himself of his divine rights and privileges as "God with us" as a fully complete human being (Heb. 2:17) rather than as an alleged pre-incarnate Son. Since Heb. 2:17 proves that Jesus was "made like unto his brethren" as a fully complete man with a fully complete human nature, we know that the man prayed to his God rather than a distinct God Person praying to his God. "... God even your God has anointed you ..." (Heb. 1:9). Jesus has a God because he is not God the Father with us as God the Father, he is God the Father with us as a fully complete human being who was able to pray and be tempted in all points like all men. Since the Father is "the only true God (John 17:3)", Jesus could not radiate his own divine glory as a distinct God Person, but only the Father's. Heb. 1:3 proves that Jesus was reproduced as the "imprinted copy" of the Father's "hypostasis" as a human being in the incarnation through the virgin (Matthew 1:20). Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:20 prove that the Son was called the Son because the Christ child was conceived "OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" within the Hebrew virgin. Thus proving that Jesus could not have been an alleged pre-incarnate God the Son. Most Trinitarian apologists admit that it is impossible for a God the Son to cease being God for a while to become a man. Thus they alleged that a God the Son remained "unchangeable" in the heavens while simultaneously dwelling on the earth as a man. Therefore a God the Son should have known the day and the hour of Christ's own second coming in Mark 13:32. This proves that there is only One divine Individual called God the Father who also became a man through His own word and Spirit (John 1:14; Luke 1:35). The distinction between the Father and Son is an ontological distinction between God as God outside of the incarnation (the Father) and God as man inside the incarnation (the Son). Heb. 2:14 states, "As the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He himself took part of the same." You are assuming that the "He" who partook of flesh and blood is a pre-incarnate Son, but no verse of scripture says that. That is why no early Christian writer believed in a timeless Son as a Son until Origen (third century). Mathetes wrote to Diognetus 11 (in the first century), "He who is from everlasting IS TODAY CALLED THE SON." The earliest Christian writers believing in the deity of Christ identified him as the Everlasting Father incarnate (Mathetes to Diognetus 9, Clement, Melito of Sardis) or the Holy Spirit incarnate (Clement, Aristides, Hermas, Ignatius). 1 Tim. 3:16 states that "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in THE SPIRIT ..." Since only the Father is identified as the only true God in scripture, we know that "THE SPIRIT" and "THE WORD" of God must be the Spirit and Word of the only true God the Father. That makes Jesus the Father incarnate who came to save us as His own arm revealed (Isaiah 53:1).

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Tiphanie Morgan The man Christ Jesus was "made lower than the angels" through his virgin conception. For "God has MADE this same Jesus both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36)." God as God cannot be "made Lord and Christ." I'm saying that the human child born and son given was made, but the God who became the Son could never be made. Since you assume a pre-incarnate coequal God the Son, you are thinking that I am saying that a pre-incarnate God the Son was made. That idea is your idea, not mine. Jesus was "firstborn" in the mind and plan of God (Col. 1:15; Hebrews 1:6; Proverbs 8:22-26) as "the beginning of the creation OF God" (Rev. 3:14) because God first chose Christ (Isaiah 43:10-11; Micah 5:2), then He chose His elect in Christ (Ephesians 1:4-5) "before the foundation of the world." God "called forth the generations from the beginning" (Isaiah 41:4) because Jesus was already "the firstborn of all creation" just as he was already the Lamb who was first "slain from the creation of the world (Rev. 13:8)." Jesus as a Son only pre-existed in God's foreordained plan of the ages before the title "Son" was given to the Christ child after the virgin conceived (Luke 1:35). No Trinitarian can find a scriptural reason why the Son is called the Son other than the incarnational reason found in Luke 1:35. Therefore the Son is the man child who was conceived and born, while the God who became the Son (the man) has always been the Mighty God and Eternal Father. "Have we not One Father? Has not One God created us (Mal. 2:10)?" "You are our Father, we are the clay, You are our Potter, and we are all the work of Your hands (Isaiah 64:8)."

@tipofday

8 жыл бұрын

Global Impact Ministries You're correct in saying that God could never be made. That is to say, could never be created! But the word ''made'' does not only mean created. It also means to be positioned, or to cause or be caused, or even means ''gave'' as in for example, someone ''made'' me an offer. Jesus the man was created in the womb of Mary but the Christ existed in the beginning and before the beginning of the world. In addition, there is a conflict between Hebrews 2:14 and Matt 16:17 if you are saying that the Father became the Son because Hebrews tells us that Jesus likewise became flesh and blood as compared to his brethren, whereas Matt 16:17 shows us that the Father IS NOT flesh and blood. And all of the other verses you reference are true, there is One Father and he IS the Father, not the Son! The Son is the Son! As far Jesus only being the plan or inspiration in the mind of God, the Bible clearly states that it was BY HIM that the foundation of the world was created, not by IT which is what a plan is, an it and not a he. If it were in the mind of God then the credit would still only be given to the Father and not the Son. For example, imagine an author writing a book and instead of naming herself as the author she puts down the person who inspired her to write the book as the author. Or the artist who signs his work as the image he painted rather than his own name. This is not a dedication, this is acknowledgement of the person who was there before the foundation of the world BY WHOM the world was created. As for the ''firstborn'' reference, yes Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Father because when Mary conceived it was the Holy Spirit (God) who impregnated her. The untainted blood was OF the Father! Now even though firstborn means the first one born into a family, it also means heir or one who inherits the inheritance. David was named firstborn by God in Psalm 89:27 and he was the youngest son of Jesse, but it was referring to his inheritance that he would be made higher than all the kings of the earth. We see that Jesus was made or became more than the angels because of this inheritance. Jesus is both man and God, he had both flesh, blood and bones and because of his shed blood he inherited what only he alone could inherit as the only begotten Son. But his earthly vessel as God incarnate did not just begin that day as stated in Hebrews 1:5-7, the words ''And again'' tells us that this is something that is reoccurring as he (the Father) says about the Son, ''And again I will be a Father to you and you will be a Son'' because just as he had been in heaven he shall also be in earth to Jesus and vice versa and when we read that the angels shall worship him and then he is called God by the Father! Now if the Son is not being identified as God then you are saying that God the Father is endorsing idolatry as the creation is being worshipped by angels and being called God.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Tiphanie Morgan You wrote that "the Christ existed in the beginning and before the beginning of the world." You just said that God "made" or "caused" the Christ to be Christ. Since "Christ" means "Anointed One", he could not have always been anointed until after his birth (Heb. 1:9). If a coequal God the Son was actually "anointed" by his God before the incarnation, then we would have an Arian son rather than a Trinitarian son. There is no conflict between Heb. 2:14 because the text does not say that the Son partook of flesh and blood. It says, "14Since the children have flesh and blood, he (the context proves God) too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16For surely it is not angels he helps (the context proves God), but Abraham’s descendants. 17For this reason he (God) had to be made like them, fully human in every way," Our Heavenly Father has always remained the unchangeable Spirit of God in the heavens who has the power to reveal His Son's true identity in Matthew 16:17. God has a Son because Jesus is not "God with" men as God, but rather, God with us as a genuine man, "made fully human in every way (Heb. 2:17 NIV)." While the Father as the Father has not flesh and blood, God the Father's Word became flesh (a body - John 1:14) and God the Father's Holy Spirit became a man (a human spirit - Matthew 1:20; Luke 1:35) by reproducing the Holy Spirit of the Father's essence of Being as a human being. This is the true meaning of the words CHARAKTER and HYPOSTASIS in Hebrews 1:3.

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

+Tiphanie Morgan No God became a true man with a true human nature, a human mind, and a human will who could be tempted. Your Trinitarian interpretation has three God minds and three God wills. Yet the scriptures teach one God will (the Father's) and one human will (the Son's). Can you point to a single scripture to show two or three God wills before the incarnation? We only see a distinct will after the incarnation which is Christ's human will. Since Trinitarians cannot find a single scripture to justify two and three God wills, the whole Trinitarian doctrine crumbles. God as God cannot be tempted, but God as a true man could, but only after the incarnation. I'm not saying that Jesus is not God. I'm saying that Jesus is not God with us as God, but rather, God with us as a true man who needed to grow in wisdom and did not know all things (Mark 13:22).Hebrews 1:5 and 2 Samuel 7:14 prove that God said, "I will be to him a Father and he will be to Me a son" well before his actual birth (before the actual creation - 1 Peter 1:20). The Son of God was "firstborn" in God's mind and then God brought "the firstborn into the world." If Jesus as a son literally existed as a God the Firstborn (which makes no sense) before his actual birth, then why is it that the angels were commanded to worship the son after he was brought into the world in Hebrews 1:6? According to Trinitarian theology, the angels should have been worshipping a timeless God the Son throughout eternity past Isaiah 41:4 says, "Who has performed and accomplished it? Calling forth the generations from the beginning?" Here we find that God called forth the generations of all humanity, including all human ages (Heb. 1:2) from the beginning (before the world was created). Micah 5:2, Proverbs 8:22-26, and Isaiah 43:10-11 prove that God first called forth Christ as "the firstborn of all creation" (Col. 1:15) and as "the beginning of the creation OF God" (Rev. 3:14). How could Jesus have been "the beginning OF the creation OF God" if he always existed as a timeless Son of God from the beginning? Trinitarians have no answer because their so called exegesis of the holy scriptures is all screwed up.God first chose the man Christ Jesus by calling him forth in His prophetic Logos (His expressed thought). Then God "chose us in him (in Christ Jesus) before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4). Then Ephesians 1:5 says that God "predestined us ... through Jesus Christ" (the context proves that God predestines God's elect through Jesus Christ before the world began). Since "Christ" means "Anointed One," the man Christ Jesus was first chosen and then we were chosen in him. Therefore Jesus Christ is the firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God because God first called forth His Son (His Master Plan for all the ages), and then He called "forth the generations (of all ages) from the beginning." It is in this sense that Jesus Christ is "the beginning of the creation OF God." God called forth Christ as His expressed thought (Logos) and then God used His own expressed thought (His word) like a blueprint to create all things in and through Jesus Christ.If you will look at the context of Hebrews 1:1-2, Colossians 1:15-16, and 1 Cor. 8:6, you will find that these passages are speaking about the predestination and foreordination of all things in Christ, through Christ, and for Christ because all things were predestined and foreordained in Jesus. "Those in whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. And those whom He predestined He also called ... justified ... and glorified." Romans 8:29-30Wherefore, Jesus was the firstborn in the prophetic Logos of God and then God's elect who were foreknown were prophetically born after the firstborn in God's master plan for the ages. For more info on this subject in much more detail you can see my KZread Video, "The Son In Creation" on KZread. Here is the Link:kzread.info/dash/bejne/emqVmJKdh624pcY.html

SPIRITUALLY, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD THE FATHER AND CREATOR OF ALL IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE AS FOLLOW: PART 1. WHO IS JESUS? 1.Jesus, the Creator. (John 1:10; Colo 1:16). 2.Jesus, the Redeemer & Savior. (Gal 3:13; 1 John 4:14). 3.Jesus, the Shepherd. (John 10:11). 4.Jesus, the King. (Revelation 19:16). 5.Jesus, I AM & I AM HE. (John 8:24; John 8:58). 6.Jesus, the First and the Last. (Revelation 1:17-18). 7.Jesus, the Rock. (1 Corinthians 10:4). 8.Jesus is the Father. (Isaiah 9:6; John 14:9; John 8:24). 9.Jesus is the Spirit. (2 Corinthians 3:14-17; Gal 4:6). 10.Jesus is coming. (Matthew 25:31). PART 2. WHO IS GOD? 1.God, the Creator. (Genesis 1:1). 2.God, the Redeemer and Savior. (Isaiah 49:26). 3.God, the Shepherd. (Psalm 23:1). 4.God, the King. (Psalm 47:7). 5.God, I AM & I AM HE. (Isai 43:10; Exod 3:14). 6.God, the First and Last. (Isaiah 41:4). 7.God, the Rock. (Deuteronomy 32:4). 8.God is the Father. (Isaiah 64:8). 9.God is the Spirit. (John 4:24). ‘ 10.God is coming. (Psalm 50:3; Zech 14:1-2,3). According to Part 1. Who is Jesus? And Part 2. Who is God? They’re the same person because Jesus Christ is God the Father, Himself Spiritually. PART 3. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE AS FOLLOW: John 10:30 Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” (Meaning My Father and I am the same person) Since Jesus Christ is the Father and the Spirit according to Isaiah 9:6; John 14:9; 2 Corinthians 3:14-17. And since God is the Father and the Spirit according to Isaiah 64:8; and John 4:24. And since there is only one God and one Father according to Ephesians 4:4-6. Then Jesus Christ is God the Father as He has claimed according to Isaiah 9:6; John 14:9; John 12:45; John 10:30; and John 8:24. PART 4. THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD WHO HAS THREE TITLES SUCH: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and their personal name is Jesus as follow: 1. The personal name of the Father is Jesus according to John 17:11. 2. The personal name of the Son is Jesus according to John 17:11-12 and John 5:43. 3. The personal name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus according to Revelation 3:6,13 and 22. IN REALITY, THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD WHO IS THE FATHER OF ALL WHICH IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AMEN! WITHOUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THERE IS NO GOD ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, AMEN! Glory to Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace and His name is the Lord Jesus Christ. Hallelujah, Amen! Peace and thanks! WHAT A AWESOME GOD WE SERVE! PART 5. OUR FATHER THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS COMING SOON AS FOLLOW BELOW: TO RULE THE EARTH FOREVER AND EVER BELOW MY FRIENDS! THE LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY FATHER IS COMING TO RULE THE EARH AS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS VERY SOON AS FOLLOW: Christ on a White Horse: Revelation 19:11-16 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The Beast and His Armies Defeated: Revelation 19:17-21 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. REMEMER THAT NO ONE ELSE IS COMING BACK TO RULE THE EARTH EXCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY FATHER, HIMSELF TO RULE THE EARTH TO CAPTURE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET AND THEY WERE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE. HERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU MY FRIENDS: IF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS NOT YOUR FATHER, THEN WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR FATHER? IS JESUS CHRIST YOUR GOD? The Lord Jesus Christ is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit(Isaiah 9:6; John 14:9; John 10:30; John 12:45; John 8:24; Revelation 19:11-21. GLORY TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Very well done. Trinitarians stance is none refutable!

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

God's word clearly refutes Trinitarian theology! How is it that "the Father alone" knows the day and the hour of Christ's second coming if the Holy Spirit is a coequally distinct omniscient divine person in heaven with the Father? Mark 13:32 proves that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father who became incarnate as the Son in Matthew 1:20 and in Luke 1:35. Notice that Jesus said "not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Since Jesus was also speaking about individuals in heaven when he said, "no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone," Ethan Smith had no sensible answer when appealing to Revelation 19:12 which says nothing about angels or the Father in heaven knowing like Mark 13:32. Therefore Revelation 19:12 is saying that "He has a name written on Him which no one knows (no finite man knows) except Himself."

@globalimpactministries766

8 жыл бұрын

John 14:26 says that the Holy Spirit is our Paraclete who "advocates" and "intercedes" to God for us while 1 John 2:1 and John 14:16-18 call Jesus our Paraclete who advocates and intercedes to God for us. How can Trinitarians believe in two “INTERCESSORS” who advocate and intercede to the Father as our One Paraclete while still being coequal with the Father? Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:20 proves that the Holy Spirit of the Father became a man through the Hebrew virgin. This explains why the Holy Spirit who became a man in the incarnation can now make “intercession for the saints according to the will of God” in Romans 8:27. Since the same Greek verb “entugchano” is used for both the Holy Spirit and Jesus making “intercession”, we know that the indwelling Spirit is the Spirit of the risen Christ who “intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.” If the Holy Spirit is a coequally distinct God Person with the Father, then how can Trinitarians explain how both Jesus and the Holy Spirit as two coequally distinct God Persons can intercede for humanity to the Father? Can a non-incarnate coequally distinct God Person pray or intercede to God while being truly coequal? Wherefore, the only viable explanation which upholds the deity of Christ is that God’s Holy Spirit as the Spirit of the Father also became a man in the incarnation to save us. Since Trinitarians, Arians, and Socinians believe that the Holy Spirit is not the same Person as the Son, only Oneness Theology brings harmony to all of the scriptural data. For the Holy Spirit of the only true God the Father also became a man in the incarnation. This explains how the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son (via incarnation) who now advocates, intercedes, and mediates humanities case before the Father as the only mediator between God and men (1 Tim. 2:5). Revelation 1:17-19 proves that Jesus is the speaker to the seven churches in Asia Minor from Revelation 1:19 through Revelation 3:22. Revelation 1:27-19 says, “When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. Therefore write the things which you have seen …”If you have a red letter edition Bible, you will notice that the words of Jesus Christ begin in Revelation chapter one and end in Revelation 3:22 where Jesus completes his words to the seven churches in Asia Minor by saying, “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” Here Jesus identified Himself as “the Spirit” who spoke to the seven churches in Asia Minor. Thus proving that Jesus is the Holy Spirit of the Father Himself who also became a man in the incarnation through the virgin. Trinitarians cannot allege that the Holy Spirit is a coequal non-incarnate God Person who somehow intercedes to God while still being coequal with Him. God as God is the Highest Authority. If a God Person as a true God Person intercedes to a higher authority then that so called God Person could not be coequal. Wherefore, the only theological view that harmonizes with all of the scriptural data is Oneness Theology. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit who became the Christ child in the incarnation. That is why the Holy Spirit and Christ are called the "Paraclete" in the singular rather than the Paracletes in the plural. For two Persons as two Persons cannot be only One “Paraclete” as One “Advocate” and “Intercessor” to God the Father. Therefore, if God was really two other coequal God Persons as second and third Divine Persons of a Trinity, then God’s word should say “Paracletes” in the plural for the Son and the Holy Spirit rather than “Paraclete” in the singular. In my last two debates with Trinitarian apologists, Mr. Smith and Mr. Morrison never answered my challenge to explain how an alleged non-incarnate Holy Spirit Person could be our Advocate and Intercessor to God while being coequal. Since only Oneness Theology can explain all of the scriptural data, we know that we have the truth of the first century apostles.

@TheLayman316

3 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 The context of this passage was speaking about the coming of the Son of Man, and the gathering of the elect, aka the bride of Christ. The Jews would have understood the meaning behind what Jesus meant. He would have been referring to the Jewish tradition when the Jewish father sends his son to retrieve his bride. In this Jewish tradition the son does not know when the father will send him.

What!?? This is you? Alright alright.

Steve Richie all day long

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

6 жыл бұрын

Ade Moore lol yess All day long. Trinitarian have a God trap in a shell and are calling it a second divine person aka God the Son.

Mr. Smith references texts which mentions Christ back then, for example in 1Cor 10:4 they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ. Note that there was no Christ before the incarnation, for he is plainly called the LORD and/or God who was that only rock which followed them. What Mr. Smith is doing, is to read a God the Son in Israel on the basis that Christ is mentioned as the rock which followed them. But the context shows that he who followed them, being the only God in Israel, is identified to be the Christ in the NT and not that there was a Christ from back then. Mr. Smith needs to plainly identify who is that one and only rock in Israel, whether he is Christ only, or the trinity. I will further ask him if that rock which followed them, is not the same one who appeared to Moses in the first place, in the burning bush. Who led Israel in the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night Mr. Smith? Was it Christ only as Israel's only God, or the trinity? Israel also tempted Christ. When He was tempted he told Moses what he would do, and Moses interceded to his one and only God, for Israel. How do these scriptures about Christ, prove a Sonship from back then?

Someone loves the term Trinity more than JESUS! Very sad.

@robertrodriguez-fk9qt

6 жыл бұрын

charles woodward very true i will never understand why Trinitarians pray and cast devils in Jesus name but when it comes to the baptism.oh oh nooo they just can't. it is a big no no for them.

there is only one God and the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are the one God within the Godhead there is a distinction the Father is not the Son he was begotten by the Father and the Son was not the Holy Spirit Jesus said my Father will send another speaking of the Holy Spirit Jesus before he was begotten he was the word and the word was with God and the word was God so even before Jesus entered the world we can see a distinction within the Godhead and the word Jesus is a person the word was made flesh and let me just say Jesus was not a manifestation of God he was God manifested in the flesh the same with the Holy Spirit he is God and he is a person within the Godhead the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are all persons there is dialogue there is purpose Love we as people can see a body but we can't see the person inside the body the actual person is invisible you can't see the words coming out of your mouth I'm saying this because God has revealed himself as three distinct persons and they are one in essence and nature the Father is not the Son at one point then the Father becomes the Son and then the Spirit because then the Father changed and God said he does not change

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

The only dialogue we see is after the incarnation between the Father and Son because God had also became a distinct ontological human being at the virgin conception (Heb. 1:5; 2 Samuel 7:14). Our Heavenly Father never had to change by losing any of His Divine attributes such as omniscience or omnipresence when He simultaneously became a man. Yet most lay Trnitarians I speak with believe that a Yahweh God the Son vacated heaven to become a man. That is a clear violation of Malachi 3:6 and Heb. 13:8. Sorry, but these KZread comments are taking way to much time. For more info see my KZread Videos - The Word Was God kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2GrzpORYZOTY6Q.html The Distinction Between The Father and the Son kzread.info/dash/bejne/Za6Ml5ujo7zgj6w.html The Holy Spirit Is The Spirit of the Father and Son kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYCem8aAYtirfM4.html The Holy Spirit Speaks What He Hears kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIh9mKhtqJW3ZLA.html Much more info at www.ApostolicChristianFaith.com

@kevinramsey1435

7 жыл бұрын

who are we to tell God what one means the two shall become one flesh to persons yet one there is one body of Christ yet within his body there are many persons we can't tell God how to define what he means by one his thoughts are not our thoughts his ways are not our ways God revealed himself in three persons yet one God

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

See my KZread Videos: Is God One Person or Three Persons? kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z66Y3Mt-dKqwXc4.html Does Echad and Elohim Support The Trinity? kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIehrrGchqiYh8Y.html

3:14:18....no lol

The Name JESUS was in the beginning and the Name JESUS was with God, and the Name JESUS is God. And the Christ was the human man that JESUS the Spirit was in. One Body > the Christ and One Spirit > JESUS is ONE. { The Name JESUS was before creation. }

Watch "World of Lies Series" Trinity @

John 5:18 The Son is Equal to the Father. Three Beings in ONE God. Your preacher forgets this~ But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him.~ As imperfect humans we will never understand God. Every word in the Bible is the inspired Word of God. It's called Faith. Before you judge or call God's Church satanic think carefully. As you judge Catholics so will you be judged.

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

Philippians 2:6 says, "Who being in the form of God did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped." How could an alleged pre-incarnate coequal God the Son Person (Being) have the capacity to think about being equal with God before the incarnation if He was already coequal to begin with? The only sensible exegesis of Philippians 2:5-9 is that the Son of God was already in the form (morphe) of God on the earth as a man after the incarnation already took place. Furthermore, the Greek word "isos" in Philippians 2:6 which is translated as "equal" in the NASB literally means "the same as" just as it is translated in Acts 11:17, "John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So if God gave them the SAME (ISOS) gift as He gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to hinder the work of God? (BSB)” The context proves that the Holy Spirit was the SAME (isos) Holy Spirit given to both the Jews and the Gentiles. In like manner Jesus is the same divine God Person as the Father when he as a man did not regard being the SAME AS (isos) God (the Father) in Philippians 2:6.If you will search early Catholic history you will find that the earliest Bishops of the Roman Church were Oneness Modalist's long before the Trinitarian doctrine developed. I have proved that Bishop Clement of Rome and Hermas of Rome were Oneness Modalist's in the first century. I also proved that Ignatius of Antioch who first coined the word "Catholic" (meaning "Universal Church") was Oneness Pentecostal in his theology. See my KZread Videos on The Theology of Clement, The Theology of Hermas, and the Theology of Ignatius. We also have these in booklet format posted in pdf for free at www.ApostolicChristianFaith.com

@globalimpactministries766

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know what is going on here as I already responded to this post. Now my past response is gone. Since I don't have time to repeat myself I will paste some of my notes here. Philippians 2:6 "Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard EQUALITY (isos) with God a thing to be grasped …”The true identity of the Son is equal with the omnipresent Father in the same sense that the Greek word "isos" in Acts 11:17 means "identical" or the "same as." "If God gave to them (the Gentiles) THE SAME (ISOS) GIFT as He gave to us (the Jews) also after believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" Just as the gift of the Holy Spirit that was poured out on the Gentile believers is “identical” (or “the same”) as the gift of the Holy Spirit that was poured out on the Jews, so the deity of the Son is identical (or “the same”) as the deity of the Father. The same Greek word "isos" is used in Philippians 2:6 which can be translated as "equal, identical, or same." Therefore the man Christ Jesus did not regard being "equal", "identical", or being the "same" as God a thing to be gasped (Philippians 2:6). Hence the deity of the Son is the same identical deity of God the Father via incarnation (as a true man) just as the gift of the Spirit that was poured out on the Gentiles is the same identical Spirit that was poured out on the Jewish brethren. Paul wrote, “he existed in the form of God” (past tense) because the man Christ Jesus began to exist “in the form of God” on earth as a man before his death. The word “form,” in the original Greek is “morphe,” which means “form” or “outward appearance.” Hence, this passage of scripture is not speaking about an unseen spiritual form existing with God prior to the incarnation, but rather, a physical and tangible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) that was made visible for all to see after he was “made of a woman (Galatians 4:4/Luke 1:35/Hebrews 2:9/Romans 1:3-4).” Hence, the "form" (morphe) of God in Philippians 2:6-7 must be an "outward form" or physical "image" (Colossians 1:15) as "the word made flesh" (John 1:14) rather than an alleged invisible unseen image before the incarnation. Mark 16:12 is the only other place in the Greek NT that uses the Greek word "morphe.” The text says that "Jesus appeared in a different form (a resurrected morphe)." We know that Jesus could not have appeared in an invisible form after his resurrection or Docetism would be true. Therefore the meaning of the Greek word “morphe,” translated as “form” in Philippians 2:6, proves that a visible and tangible form or image of the invisible God was already made flesh rather than an alleged pre-incarnate form or image. Ignatius of Antioch who lived in the first century and was taught by the apostles, wrote to Polycarp 3:2, "Look for Him who is above time - the Timeless, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible, the Impassible, who became subject to suffering on our account and for our sake endured everything." Notice that Ignatius wrote that the God who became visible in the incarnation was first “invisible” before his birth. This sheds light on Paul’s meaning of Christ Jesus existing in the form of God in Philippians 2:6. Jesus had existed in the visible form of God on the earth, but before becoming visible, He was first invisible. Thus proving that Jesus could not have eternally existed in an alleged visible form of God before his birth. Trinitarians do greatly err by alleging that the Soncould be seen in the OT but the Father could not be seen. Yet Ignatius of Antioch wrote that the God who became incarnate was first “INVISIBLE, who for our sake became VISIBLE.” Therefore Ignatius believed that the only invisible Father became the visible Son who was “subject to suffering on our account.” Likewise, Mathetes who was also taught by the apostles, wrote in his Epistle to Diognetus Chapter 11, “He who is from everlasting, IS TODAY CALLED THE SON.” Thus proving that the Son was not a Son before his virgin conception and birth in Bethlehem. When we compare Colossians 1:15 with Philippians 2:6, we find that Jesus is also spoken of as “The image OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.” We know that Jesus actually existed in the form or image of the invisible God when He was born at Bethlehem. For it would have been impossible for Jesus to have existed in the form or “image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) if that form or image was also invisible. How nonsensical would it be if Colossians 1:15 read, “Who is the invisible image of the invisible God” with the word “invisible” being interpolated before the words “Image of the invisible God?” Could Jesus have always existed in an invisible image of the invisible God and still be that image? So if Philippians 2:6 is speaking about an invisible form or image of the invisible God, then Colossians 1:15 should read something like this, “who is the invisible image of the invisible God …” Since an invisible image of the invisible God is nonsensical and contradictory, we must rightly divine the Word of truth by believing that Jesus existed in the physical form or image of the invisible God by being born via incarnation through the virgin on earth. Although Jesus is spoken of as the visible “form of God” (“the image of the invisible God” - Colossians 1:15), he “did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.” The words, “DID NOT REGARD EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED,” prove that Philippians 2:6 is not speaking about an alleged non-incarnate Second Divine God Person up in heaven (prior to the incarnation), who would have already been fully God with God the Father in the first place. Since the text says, “did not regard equality with GOD,” and not, “did not regard equality with” God the Father, it is apparent that the person who had the capacity to do the regarding, could not have had the capacity to think as another coequal God Person beside God the Father in heaven. For it is nonsensical to believe that an alleged non-incarnate coequal God Person who was not human, could have thought about being equal with another coequal true God Person if that God Person was already a true God Person to begin with.

@tomgeorge9025

6 жыл бұрын

Gill Davis Who is the Mother church? and say that the Trinity is a mystery?? say that all food is clean change the Sabbath day to Sunday?. Rev17:5 Mother of Harlots full of Abominations of the earth.. Dan7:25 change God's laws times and dates. they changed the Sabbath, change God's food laws, eating swine is a abomination to God. 1Tim4:1 doctrine of Jude1:18 mockers -- there ungodly lust

Jesus said the Father is the only True God and this is eternal life jn17 Jesus said I and my Father are One Who is the Father of Jesus..? Why Jesus said they are one...? 1Cort 8:6 Paul said Yet for us there is but One God the Father of whom are all things and One Lord Jesus Christ ONE GOD THE FATHER ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST Paul said Great is the mystery of Godliness,God was manifested in the flesh (1tim 3:16) OR GOD become flesh Or the Father become flesh His name is JESUS Jn 1:1&14 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. (14) and the word become Flesh His name is Jesus In the beginning was the Word IN THE BEGINNING WAS JESUS and the Word was with God AND JESUS WAS WITH FATHER and the Word was God AND JESUS WAS FATHER (14) and the word become flesh AND JESUS BECOME FLESH Jesus said I and my Father are One God is Spirit jn4:24 Jesus said it is the spirit gives life the flesh profit nothing, the WORDS that I speak to you are spirit and are life jn6:63) JESUS FLESH - profit nothing, he is a man, hung and died on the cross JESUS SPIRIT - is the Father, gives life, his Words are Spirit and are life. Flesh and Spirit are ONE Jesus said I and my Father are One One Body One Spirit Jesus said the Father that Dwells in me does the Works John said for many deceiver have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver AN ANTICHRIST (2jn1:7) Record in heaven, Father, Word and Holy Ghost these Three are One= Jesus Spirit Witness on earth Spirit, Water and Blood these three are One= Jesus Flesh

@scottgrey2877

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Jesus said my God John 20:17 KJV Revelation 3:12 KJV Jesus worshipped God John 4:22 KJV

@dreameruy9510

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​​@@scottgrey2877 True Jesus said i am a man Paul said for there is one God and one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus The man Christ Jesus said I am a man I am the Son of Man I am the Son of God The man Christ Jesus praying to God The man Christ Jesus said the Father is greater than I The man Christ Jesus said the Son knows not the hour The man Christ Jesus hung and died on the cross.

@scottgrey2877

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@@dreameruy9510 Jesus is not God

@dreameruy9510

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​​​@@scottgrey2877Exo 3:14 kjv God said to Moses I Am who I Jesus said before Abraham was I AM Exo 3:15 Kjv And God said moreover unto Moses, thus shall thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your Fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hast sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. LORD GOD THIS IS MY NAME FOR EVER Rev. 4:8 Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Jn 1:1&14 in the beginning was the word,and the word was with God, and the word was God (14) and the word become Flesh His name is Jesus THE WORD WAS GOD THE WORD BECOME FLESH - his name is Jesus Jn 1:10 He was in the World, and the World was made by him, and the World knew him not THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM Jesus made the World ( Not Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Yhwh ect.) (11) He came to his own but his own receive him not. John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world, who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh, this is Deceiver An Antichrist ( 2 Jn1:7)

@scottgrey2877

Жыл бұрын

@@dreameruy9510 two Lords Acts 2:34,36 KJV

The Christ was the man, the only one Perfect Person. The Robe of God. And JESUS is The Name of the Spirit of God. { "I AM," ONE. }

@OurHumbleLife

7 жыл бұрын

That is blasphemy to think that Jesus is nothing more than a robe of flesh!! Jesus had his OWN will, _apart_ from God. Jesus was a REAL person!! WHO died for you?

Notice how many times Mr. Smith used the words "THEIR" and "THEY" for God. This fact alone proves that Mr. Smith needs to repent for perverting the nature of God into three persons as a plural "their, they, and them" rather than a singular "He, I, and Me." I'm very grateful that the Lord gave me the wisdom to refute all of the major arguments used by James White in this debate. I sincerely hope that Mr. White and Mr. Dalcour will participate in debates with me soon. Mr. Edward Dalcour said via email that he is considering a debate with me. I trust that many will click on my new KZread video entitled, "Modalism In The Nicene Creed" that will be posted within 24 hours. I hope that many will SUBSCRIBE to our new KZread Channel because we will be posting new videos every week. Our new web site: ApostolicChristianFaith.com

Jehovah is a one-person deity. He is the God and Father of Jesus. (John 20:17) Also, at John 17:3, Jesus called his Father "the only true God." There is no Scriptural trinity.

Of Jesus's birth Luke chapter 1 verse 35 'the Holy Spirit shall come upon you and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you and that holy thing that shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God'. 'And the Spirit of God shall come upon you' even as the Spirit of God came upon Samson 'and the spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down ... and slew thirty men of them': gave him exrtra ability. Even so, the Holy Spirit of God came upon Mary to give her extra ability, extra ability to conceive (Greek, to give birth). To give birth is hardly the act of giving a child from outside her womb to inside her. 'The power of the Highest shall overshadow you' is as a doctor overshadows a woman to implant a child from outside her womb to inside her so did the Highest implant the Word into Mary/implant the Word, emptied of his God-body wearing the God made/ prepared body made 1- like unto his brethren 2- in the likeness of men 3- in the likeness of sinful flesh which the Spirit of God enabled Mary to give birth AFTER the Highest had given the Word the body to wear and implanting the Word wearing his God-prepared body into Mary with the Holy Spirit of God giving, like Samson, extra ability, not to kill but just to give birth to the holy thing that shall be born of her.

@globalimpactministries766

5 жыл бұрын

If Jesus was the incarnation of an alleged God the word or God the Son Person then why do not the scriptures say so? Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:35 inform us that it was the Holy Spirit who "came down from heaven (John 6:38) to manifest himself in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16) in order to be made "fully human in every way" (Heb. 2:17. Luke 1:35 gives us the reason why the son is called the son. It was because the Holy Spirit came upon the virgin that the text says, "for this reason the holy child which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35)." No Trinitarian can give us a scriptural reason why the son is called the son other than the NT reason of God becoming a man/mediator in order to save us from our sins.

@leonardhunt5677

5 жыл бұрын

@@globalimpactministries766 The position you cite is slightly eschewed. I can conclude that you have not read what I have written concerning the birth, through Mary, of Jesus. The Spirit's task was to enable Mary to conceive/give birth (the definition of conceive is to give birth) enable as the Spirit of the LORD did for Samson, for different reasons/occasions. The Spirit of God did come upon Mary the power of the Highest overshadowed Mary but it was the LORD/Highest who gave the Word the body to wear Hebrews chapter 10 verse 5, which the Word put on himself Philippians chapter 2 verse 7 after emptying himself of his God body which he had worn as the Word Philippians chapter 2 verses 6-7, John chapter 1 verses 1-14. What else could wear a God-body, and put on a God-prepared body but a person called God 'the Word was God and with looking toward God John chapter 1 verses 1-2?????

Mr. Richie is right it's very clear that God is one. Now I believe in oneness ( modalistic ) theology.. it's hard to deny the true oneness of God.

WARNING AND ADVICE:THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HAS BEEN WITH ME AND HE HELPED ME TO INTERPRETE THESE SCRIPTURES: ISAIAH 9:6 SAYS, ".....JESUS CHRIST IS THE COUNSELOR WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, AND THE PRINCE OF PEACE." AND COLOSSIANS 2:9 SAYS, "For in Him(JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”(JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT). AND 1 JOHN 5 :7 SAYS, THERE ARE THREE(TITLES) THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE(ONE GOD: ONE PERSON, SAME PERSON). AND JOHN 10:30 JESUS SAID, "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE(ONE GOD: ONE PERSON, SAME PERSON). AND JOHN 12:45 JESUS SAID, "HE that seeth ME seeth HIM that sent ME.(He that sees ME sees my Father that sent ME. I am the Father who sent Me, myself). AND JOHN 14:9 JESUS SAID, "He who has seen ME, has seen the FATHER.(ME and my FATHER are one God, one person, same person). 2 Corinthians 3:17 says, "NOW THE LORD(JESUS) IS THAT SPIRIT: AND WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, THERE IS LIBERTY." (MEANING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE HOLY SPIRIT). AND JOHN 8:24 JESUS SAID, "FOR IF YOU BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YOU SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS." (FOR IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM THE FATHER, YOU SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS.) IN REALITY, REMEMBER THAT JESUS GIVES US A WARNING, IF WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER WE SHALL DIE IN OUR MANY SINS. SINCE SINS IS IN THE PLURAL FROM. WE SHOULD BE TREMBLE JUST LIKE DEMONS BEFORE GOD BECAUSE WE FOUGHT AGAINST GOD AT ALL TIMES CLAIMING GOD TO BE THREE PERSONS, BUT IN REALITY, GOD IS ONE PERSON, INSTEAD OF THREE PERSONS. And 1 Timothy 3:16 says, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory." And His name is call Jesus. WHAT A WONDERFUL GOD WE SERVE AND WORSHIP! Warning and advice to the spiritual blind leaders: If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Father you must have been blinded by the god of this age my friends according to this bible verse ok: 2 Corinthians 4:4 says, "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD AND THAT ONE TRUE GOD IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST MY FRIEND! WITHOUT JESUS THERE IS NO GOD MY FRIEND! GLORY TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOREVER AND EVER! AMEN! PEACE! THANKS! ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES: JOHN 17:11-12; JOHN 5:43; AND REVELATION 3:6, 13,22. #1.THE PERSONAL NAME OF THE FATHER IS: JESUS. #2. THE PERSONAL NAME OF THE SON IS: JESUS. #3. THE PERSONAL NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS: JESUS. THAT'S WHY THE LORD JESUS IS THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT OK! PEACE! THANKS! I LOVE YOU ALL MY FRIENDS!

No doubt God is a trinity :)