I have a request: for those times when you aren't talking, could you not cut out the footage? I wanna watch the backpost and midfield rotation paths you take.

PLEASE keep making these videos, they are very helpful. I'm stuck in Plat2/3, and having a hard time understanding what I need to do to rank up. Thanks Virge!

@jdizzle18diz

2 жыл бұрын

Update? Into diamond territory yet? I’m plat 1-2 right now

I really appreciate this series, I'm looking forward to learn good advice for higher ranks so I just have one thing to say: "I want more of those videos!"

Man your the best, you inspire all of us keep doing what you do!

Never gonna stop loving the intro

Subbed man , I like your commentary it’s very helpful . I’m a d1 and have been for ages lol

Love yr vids this actually helped I’m plat 2 now

@chrisziogaming

3 жыл бұрын

Coming from?

@noahh2451

3 жыл бұрын

Where were you before?

@alexeyman7301

3 жыл бұрын

Rotations are probably the most important skill in RL. I was gold for a year, nearly, learned to rotate and hit Diamond 1 a few months later. Mechanics are fun, and neat, and so are accurate shots. Those are really important to learn but all the tricks in the world mean NOTHING if you are never in position to use them. Conversely, proper rotations open you and your teammate up for great passes through constant and smart pressure. Breaking down the opponent, stealing their boost and forcing them to constantly cycle rotations creates panic and forces mistakes often leaving you a shot easier than anything in any training pack anyway. Additionally, good rotations create opportunities for easy saves by denying break aways and time to set up complex shots. I've seen Champs who can't airdribble to save their lives....but they are ALWAYS where they need to be. Obviously it's more complicated but I just wanted to encourage you that you're on the right track!

@MrBreadisawesome

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexeyman7301 lol champs are usually not where they need to be but I agree w your comment. I was hard-stuck at c2 for a year until I took a step back and worked on my boost management and positioning as well as ground shot accuracy/consistency and not im hovering around gc/ high c3

This is really really useful for my level (currently low gold). Definitely going to try to play the midfield more and relaxing instead of going for everything because of lack of trust in my team mates

Yessss Keep the Series Going!!!

Good stuff, however I do think you underestimate how long and how difficult it is to do the 'simple' shots and moves that you did in some of the games. I am a humble c3 at best, right now. I know how long it takes to be kinda consistent in rocket league. Do Not Underestimate that. Maybe you can talk about being calm and the mindset for that in games, the way you drive around, the composure you are showing, it's pretty hard to learn for new players. Nervous people whiff a lot more and perhaps there's a mindset you can talk about most don't know.

@21N42Photo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m in D2 and those simple shots are hard for me to make easily.

@rafedolanpeterson5287

3 жыл бұрын

@@21N42Photo Lower ranked people underestimate the power of freeplay and training.

@matthewledford7209

3 жыл бұрын

@@rafedolanpeterson5287 That's the point genius, they are low ranked because of a lack of consistency, if they had the consistency, they would be higher rank.

@rafedolanpeterson5287

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewledford7209 Unnecessary hostility my man. What I mean is the lower ranked people always think "I need to play ranked more to get good". which is to a certain extent false.

@DrewSorensenMusic

3 жыл бұрын

He did specifically say you don’t need ceiling shots and air dribbles at these ranks. So I think he was clear about that. You do however have a good point about consistency being difficult.

The fact he could just completly destroy everyone if he plays seriously just explains how he really wants to help us. I really appriciate ur vids man! Keep it up🙏🏽🙏🏽

I like the intro when the lama jumps and then looks at u lol

Ty Coach Virge!

With a intro like that you deserve more subscribers lol that was pretty cool

Hey Virge, how did you make you intro? I really love it!

This really helps thx so mutch

Very cool Antonis

DUDE THE INTRO IS SICK

You just gave ssl a new meaning... "Super Solid League"

Gotta love the intro

theres a difference between knowing a mechanic and actually doing it in game like at 9:38 i knew how to air dribble pretty well good carries but i didn't know how to do it in game i have but its really rare and not needed like virge explains

*inhale* HEY

Cant wait for you to get to the gc1 area I’m having trouble the gc1 area

Virge, do you always play with the graphics settings all the way up? Looking forward to the C3-GC1 episodes

@itbecaleb_rl7776

3 жыл бұрын

He usually adjusts them for recording right before he starts, but when he normally plays, he definitely has his settings lower

Helllo Virge! I wanna book a 2 hour coaching session with you on gamersrdy but it says you are out of stock when will you be open to booking again?

Just in time for me hitting Plat 👍🏼

Hope you go back to the 1s till I lose series virge, thanks for the videos.

How do you see MMR in game?

Someone needs to make a video about the science behind the ball hitting the post. Cause I swear I’m GC3 and I hit the post in the same spot from the same angle and it throws me off every time when it does something different than it should 😂

Big gan

@thejumpers8779

3 жыл бұрын

Fan

bro im in plat but i cant dribble can u give me some advice how to improve (im on xbox)

Hey Virge I only have 50 hours in the game (2v2 Plat 2, 3v3 1v1 Gold 2), I can speed flip, wave dash, half flip, ground and wall air dribbles. So some of us Gold/Plats are decent. I've been flip rested on by a gold player

@blaablaa2682

2 жыл бұрын

It skill hard learn but if you want it go for it

Lol my dad was just telling me to learn how to rotate so this is a funny coincidence. I'm platinum in all but mostly plat 2

As far as more advanced mechanics etc in gold and plat. They do exist and I have lost to those teams most of the time, but it seems to be the minority. So I would assume Smurfs or they will not be in that rating for long. Thats just my experience in playing this game and may be incorrect. I have played in high plat for awhile and then busted back to gold for awhile. Cant explain that one but it happened.

U should do this with twos as well. That’d be cool

@rizwanlokhandwala1645

3 жыл бұрын

Lethamyr has a good series for 2s. He avoids using higher level mechanics and focuses on rotations and game sense like how virge is doing here. Highly recommend.

I've been plat since mid season 3. I can confirm that plats can barely power shot, let alone air dribble or flip rest.

Did anyone notice he teleports at 2:30 to the other side of the field? You get demoed Virge?

@MentallyLatent

3 жыл бұрын

Probably was screaming his brains out for getting demoed and edited it out lol

Let’s go I love these, but why are you sitting so near post when it could bounce or something to someone I’m middle and be right behind you?

@danny.8091

3 жыл бұрын

I’m just genuinely curious because I know you are really good at that kind of stuff, and I see you go very near post, and far up out of the net

I love how your tms are trying to do a lot and accomplishing barely as much as you do by doing almost nothing but watching and repositioning yourself. obviously more to it than that, but it is fun to see.

Wouldn’t say this counts as smurfing because you’re doing your best to play at the rank you’re currently sitting in, rather than flip resetting on the golds you’re playing against

I'm c3 and I don't even see them clearing off the wall straight into the net lol.

can u do this series in 2s as well cuz i want to go champ and i am stuck in diamond

@brentjacobs5585

3 жыл бұрын

As someone in C2 in 2s, best tips i can give you is to work on your consistency, slow down and think. Just because you CAN hit it, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. Sometimes your mate has a better touch they can make and its best to just let them go instead.

@eydoAEM

3 жыл бұрын

@@brentjacobs5585 I agree same to your mate

@pulsethametron7777

3 жыл бұрын

@@brentjacobs5585 omg this actually worked ty for the tip!

@simon2776

3 жыл бұрын

Some more tips: Focus on trusting your teammate on solo plays (don't take the ball from your teammate, don't overcommit trying to score). Rotate wide, this gives you a better angle to block a variety of shots and defend different situations. Rotate backpost!!! Backpost rotations should be your go to defensive rotation, it will make it much much easier to defend with your teammate and solo. These all helped me :)

Love your vids keep up the good work my man anyone need a team mate I started this game last week I'm plat almost diamond 💎

Champ but still don't half flip or do wall plays and I've never intentionally wave-dashed in a game, my aerials SUCK and I can rarely get the ball in a position to flick. Apparently I should have learnt most of this in gold-plat. :laughing:

I'm plat three div 4 I'm about to go in diamond any tips to rank up from diamond to champ?

@Virotor

3 жыл бұрын

As in this video, rotate well, and especially in defense, most of the time you want to be at the back post to get easier saves. That will give you a lot of opportunities to score on counter attacks once your opponents have committed into their play.

@quincypeters713

3 жыл бұрын

if you are plat 3 dont worry about champ for now getting from d1 to d3 is already alot. But one thing u should really get into your game if you dont do it already is backpost rotation, if you dont know what that is just search it up on youtube

@sshquiet7170

3 жыл бұрын

And get consistent on fast ariels

@AbdulRashid-tv1lc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Virotor I'd say I'm not good at rotations defense is somewhat good the only decent thing im good at is offense and j have no mechanics except for dribbling and flicking

@AbdulRashid-tv1lc

3 жыл бұрын

@@quincypeters713 I do backpost rotations but sometime it gets out of my mind sometimes and I can't fight the urge to stay back and I rush the ball I'm not the patient type of guy either

How does he have their MMR in their names?

@bpcoates

3 жыл бұрын

Bacca's Mod for PC

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

*bakkes mod

anybody who says that what he is doing in this "too high for this rank" are wrong I am around high gold to low mid plat and everything he is doing in this video I can do I just need to work rotations and wall shots but its possible and I just thought there needed to be somebody in this rank to say if its true or not

cam settings?

@sshquiet7170

3 жыл бұрын

Just look it up on Liquipedia ( tells you every pro camera settings)

@sshquiet7170

3 жыл бұрын

But its better to find your own

@milo7x3

3 жыл бұрын

@@sshquiet7170 aight thx i was just messing with some cam settigs

@sshquiet7170

3 жыл бұрын

Find your settings between these ranges Fov 105-110 Distance 260-280 Height 90-110 Angle 5-3 Stiffness is whatever feels best (high: camera comes closer) ( low: camera backs up) Swivel speed depends how fast you can control the camera Transition speed depends how fast you can you can see everything

HI how can i play with u?

@Simo10.

3 жыл бұрын

Watch my clip for see my skill.

@itbecaleb_rl7776

3 жыл бұрын

He streams every Monday and Saturday and does viewer games and tourneys, so you can try to get in those to play with him!

See you in plat 3 who can flip reset, double tap, air dribble, ceiling shot all while using air roll

Ignore the ones that say your smurfing because all you do legitimately is rotate and show the mindset of pure patience and understanding of the game. Love the vids and hope you can get in depth with the patience and mindset needed for plat and higher games because for some it can be nerve-racking.

FoUrTh

I love Virge being so cool about it, but it's actually kinda frustrating that your team Don't trust you for even pretty simple touches, and they would cut me off, this results in me being in a bad spot or losing

@ShreyasGaneshs

3 жыл бұрын

Dont solo queue

@theKiwii

2 жыл бұрын

Silly idea: Every time you feel like you're getting tilted/frustrated because of the game or your teammates, do 10 pushups after the match. It might help you to keep calm. And if it doesn't, at least you'll get buff.

Bruh I swear I’m Dimond and the guys I verse legit freestyle:(

Why is rotating so hard for so many people in this game?

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

It requires awareness of something other than you and the ball.

@zareh805

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scion15 yup! People struggle anticipating what their opponent will do hence where the ball will end up. They have trouble not going for a ball that they have a poor angle on.

Can I ask you about something you said in the video? I asked this question on Reddit a few years ago and never really got a definitive answer, but you seem to be the kind of person who likes to take time to really think about a situation fully. During the goal replay for your shot at 13:37, you said that you took Ball Cam off as you approached the ball to give you a better angle to line up the shot. But I'm confused as to how exactly that works in practice. In essence, I don't really understand how taking ball cam off so soon before making contact with the ball helps at all. I have two relevant documents that I made (quite likely a bunch of wasted time, lol, but they were fun to make) back when I was originally asking this question (around the start of RLCS season 5), and I've linked them below. The first is a thesis with research and reasoning listed, and the second is an analysis of every single instance of this over half an hour of a VOD on Rizzo's stream. For example, average human reaction time is 16 frames out of 60. Using the period and comma keys on a keyboard to advance this video frame by frame, you can see that, between the moment you toggled off Ball Cam and the moment you made contact with the ball, exactly 16 frames had passed (again out of 60). Even if your reaction time was three frames faster than the average human's, you still only have a 3-frame window to not only assess the situation after your camera changes angles but also make a decision on how to best position your car in the air before hitting the ball given the new information that toggling Ball Cam off provided, not to mention actually pushing the control stick and changing your car's position to match your decision. And by then, isn't it too late to really do anything at all? I've actually seen some streams and YT videos of Squishy's where he will take ball cam off nearly a full second before hitting the ball, and that makes FAR more sense to me, because in that time, you can actually see a minute change needed and make that change before making contact with the ball. But when we're talking about 16 frames between viewing the ball from a new perspective and making contact, it is basically physically impossible for that to occur. I read on Reddit all those years ago when researching this question that it was a habit brought over from SARPBC veterans that didn't switch their Ball Cam controls to toggle and kept them on "hold Ball Cam" because holding the button was the only option available to them in SARPBC. And because Ball Cam was unnecessary during that part of their shot (considering they were forced to hold Ball Cam for most of a game), they'd take their thumb off the button for that time. And when they kept doing that out of habit in the early days of professional RL, other new pros saw them doing it and did it themselves. Torment basically confirmed this in a short YT video of his (linked below) and said that he personally just did it out of habit and doesn't even know why he started doing it. And in some of the shots that he takes while speaking in the video, he takes Ball Cam off significantly more than 16 frames prior to hitting the ball, making the "extra angle and precision" reason for taking off Ball Cam actually make sense. But the entire reason I started thinking about this back in Season 4 of RLCS was because I was constantly seeing pros do this with not nearly enough time to actually make an impact, and I was seeing it happen MANY more times with no possible positive effect than I was with enough time between the toggle and contact to be practical. Anyway, if you could give me some insight on this, I'd really appreciate it. I'd also encourage anyone else reading this to chime in as well if they have an opinion they'd like to share. Torment's Video (0:20 for the explanation - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHacvNJrea28c5c.html My "thesis on the subject" - docs.google.com/document/d/1-vENbejbFCfuMuBVL3FfNzxWe5a4fQD2GMXhxZQ0M-g/edit?usp=sharing My research of Rizzo's examples from one of his streams - docs.google.com/document/d/1cqrcVjKkFeNNtoec_N85jUE7oZCl-BajrGx_Yg02K6M/edit?usp=sharing

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he was just explaining why he turned it off, not that it was a great example of helping the shot. The shot was incredibly easy for him, he probably just did it out of habit or intentionally so he could mention it, even if it had no effect.

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

Just watched torment's video and read your thesis. While I agree it's probably done out of habit most times and creates a placebo affect, there are some flaws in your reasoning. You shouldn't use average reaction time, as most e sports pros will have times far lower than average. You also stated the reaction time test was easier than taking a shot in RL, but I'd argue the opposite. While it is certainly much simpler, it's not a straight comparison. In the test you are surprised by the light. Making slight adjustments in rocket league is no surprise. You're forgetting how much muscle memory and prediction comes into play. A pro will usually already know what to do and when, they're just waiting for the right time. If the reaction time test was instead a line going across your screen for you to to time your click when it reached the end, with practice you'd have a 0ms "reaction time".

@iliya1933

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scion15 ​ Thank you very much for the reply. I apologize for the length of this comment, but please bear with me (or just feel free to drop it entirely and do something else with your time. I am fully aware that this whole issue is very minor and would never result in a change in the way the pros or anyone plays; I just like getting down to the minute details of situations like this, and what I've said an say below is what I truly do believe). For context while you're reading what follows, the CS:GO stuff is to make a comparison between a game that is heavily reliant on reactions within a split second and a game like RL that is heavily reliant on predictions and information gained before that split second occurs. I included it to show that we don't have reason to assume that RL pros' reaction times are so much higher than the average player's, and that, even IF they do have higher reaction times, the small amount of time we're dealing with is not enough to effect a positive change relative to where we were before turning off ball cam (in instances like the one I pointed out in this video). Here's a link to a Reddit thread outlining pro CS:GO players' reaction times: www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5n5vh8/pro_reaction_times_measured/ This data collection is not completely scientific, as there is no real way to create a control in situations like what we come across in videogames like RL and CS. But CS:GO is a game where the first person to get a kill when a player or an opponent rounds a corner can mean a win or a loss. For AWPers, they have to decide whether an opponent coming around a corner is jiggle peeking or dedicating, and they also have to correctly identify that what they see appearing around the corner is an opponent and not a flash grenade or something else. They sometimes have information coming in from their teammates, but they also sometimes sit there staring at a corner for 30 straight seconds, not knowing exactly when a head to shoot will appear. And reacting to a new stimulus is obviously very important in CS:GO, even if the players aren't typically posting sub-200ms shots (JW in those stats, according to OP in a comment decently far down, was playing at some sort of demo event, whatever that means, unlike all the other players, who were playing in LAN events). So the numbers that you see in that video (and the first comment) in that Reddit post are not all equivalent in the individual situations that each shot found itself in. Commenters pointed out that, in some cases, the crosshairs were not in the correct headshot position and needed to be moved slightly before the shot was fired, meaning that a reaction happened before the time would suggest. However, very small movements like this happen extremely quickly and do not add a very significant amount of time to the overall reaction, even if it is a measurable amount and not completely insignificant. After a quick Google search of multiple sources, average human reaction time is about 16 frames out of 60fps, or slightly higher than 250 milliseconds, with three frames being equivalent to 50ms (3/60 frames = 50/1000ms). So even if your average RL pro were to have a reaction time of 200ms, between three four frames faster than the entire time they had ball cam on (16 frames, in most of my examples, as well as this one with Virge), that only leaves just above three frames remaining for any movement of their thumb on the joystick to make a meaningful impact on their car and the ball in-game. I'm describing all of this to outline that differences in reaction time in our particular Rocket League situation cannot possibly be that impactful when we're talking about differences of only 50ms. In the comments of another Reddit thread, a few people talked about how one CS:GO pro AWPer "n0thing" mentioned that his reaction time was only slightly above average; with information like this, I see no reason why we'd assume that the Rocket League pros' reaction times are normally far lower than the average, or low enough to make a difference here. Now compare CS:GO's reaction-type situations to a game like Rocket League, which is much less reliant on reacting to stimulation than it is on predictions and accurate assessment of a situation, as you said so yourself. If you're last man and you see that there's a way that your teammate's challenge could go wrong, you begin positioning yourself accordingly before it happens so that you can react accordingly if it happens. I hear this phrase all the time when talking about RL, "Assume your teammates will hit the ball, but plan for them to miss the ball," which is basically the embodiment of this video we're commenting on. When RL pros make a play on the ball, they're not regularly reacting to changing stimulation within 200ms; nearly everything about the contact they make is based on their speed when they left the ground, their angle of approach, the way they rotated and positioned the car in the air before getting close to the ball, and their overall intended vision for the touch that they created far before making contact; it's the same way for GC1 players like myself, although I have more mid-air adjustments that I need to make than the pros do because my execution of those pieces is not as finely-tuned and consistent as the pros. And when we make a play on the ball, we are constantly reacting to our car's current position relative to where we want it to be when we eventually reach the ball. There is basically no single snapshot moment within 16 frames of touching the ball where we need to make an entirely new assessment of our position and change it accordingly, because we're doing that already on a constant basis from over a full second away. If anything, the act of toggling off ball cam causes you to not have an accurate or fluid view of the ball while the camera is moving, and when it stops, you need to make a new assessment of the situation in order to effect any sort of positive change. This is exactly why you said, "A pro will usually already know what to do and when, they're just waiting for the right time;" once they get to a moment before hitting the ball within normal human reaction time, they're already in the process of moving their car in the way they will continue to do so between getting to that point and hitting the ball. In that vein, you're right about the fact that it isn't a straight comparison between a standard click reaction test and a reaction test presented in this kind of Rocket League scenario. A big difference is that we as players have control over when exactly the stimulus will change because we get to decide when to turn off ball cam. However, IF we are actually turning ball cam off so that we can make adjustments, then muscle memory and prediction isn't really a factor, right (when combined with the very small amount of time many pros are leaving themselves to make such adjustments)? If the pros already know what they're going to do and when, then they don't need to turn off ball cam. And if they really want to ensure that they can make any last-moment adjustments, they would need to give themselves ample time to react to the change in camera angle, which is quick and not fluid. In the reaction test I took, you're surprised by the light, but you know it's going to happen within around six seconds, and you don't need to assess anything about the light, only that it changed color, which is noticing any sort of motion at maximum. When moving ball cam to give you another angle of view for precision adjustments, you need to assess multiple factors about the change and make the right decision, IF you are actually trying to make precision adjustments, that is. That's exactly why I believe that ball cam toggling in the way that we saw in the example in this video and all of those Rizzo examples in my second Google Doc is essentially a useless action. I mentioned this either in my initial comment or in the Google Doc, but I've seen Squishy toggle off ball cam around 45 frames to a full second before hitting the ball on multiple occasions, so I'm not arguing that every single instance of ball cam off is useless. But I am arguing that many pros and players (at least around Seasons 4 and 5), had been performing a useless action that still persists today. Reddit thread containing comments on n0thing’s reaction times: www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3k0dlw/any_pro_players_posted_reaction_times_on_human/

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

@@iliya1933 I'd imagine n0thing is an exception to the rule, but I don't have the data. If not, it still supports my suspicion that there's much more going on than simple reaction time. While yes, the cam switch is new info in a way, it's still not a surprise. They most likely already know in general what they're going to see, so it's more confirming what they predicted and following through, rather than going oh shit and making a new decision (like me or you might). On the one where torment couldn't even see the ball, that could support the cam switch not disprove it. His prediction of the ball is so good, he doesn't need to adjust to the ball, just check his alignment to the goal. Along with 1000's of hours of experience, caffeine, the so called flow state, etc. this could allow for much smaller windows for micro adjustments. There certainly is a line where the cam switch is useless, I just wouldn't be surprised if that window is smaller than you'd think from the 250ms theory. But I'm also making a lot of assumptions, just playing devil's advocate in a way. I agree there's going to be lots of times where it's just out of habit and pure placebo effect that they think they know it's helping.

@iliya1933

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scion15 I definitely see where you're coming from. And if ball cam is turned off early enough, I could see the use both in the Torment situation you described and really any other. It's just that the bulk of examples that we have fall within the window of human possibility, and that's where I'm confused why this ever became a thing. And like I said in my "thesis," I wouldn't recommend anyone stop that currently does this habitually, because at this point the comfort of doing it is probably worth more than any teeny tiny effort that could be impeding them. As a side note, I really don't think n0thing is the exception. Other commenters claimed to have heard similar things from other pros (they didn't provide any clips or other evidence, though), and I looked up n0thing's tournament results, and he's got multiple 1st and 2nd place finishes at S-tier events from 2009 to 2018. And given the reaction times we saw listed, I don't think we have any reason to conclude that pro RL players are just able to react faster to things like that, at least in a meaningful way, partially because RL isn't a reaction-based game, and partially because the CS:GO pros didn't record any particularly blazing fast times as their average like you'd think they would. Some were outliers, but many in the comments mentioned that JW's circumstances were different and that that game isn't all reaction time. And RL is less so. I just don't see any evidence that proves the "last-moment precision adjustment" thing.

I’m the 100th person here

"It's okay if I smurf because it makes me money."

@Virge

3 жыл бұрын

I think you may want to watch that part again 🤗

@michaelcapozzi4811

3 жыл бұрын

omg give the guy a break....sheesh

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Bruh these kids are definitely not plat

Hi First here

@vedanshrawat4208

3 жыл бұрын

no one cares lol get a life

Hey virge, anyway you can dumb down back post rotations and last man for my teammates.....They're obviously not getting it through normal means. I'm not saying be perfect....just quit being Neanderthals

@Pelusteriano

3 жыл бұрын

But Virge is showing that you can win with said teammates if you're the one with solid positioning. Try applying what you're seeing here instead of blaming your teammates.

Cutting the flow of the game for the video is super annoying! Wasn't this series about rotations? Why then cut the rotation part out after the offensive play?

to be honest i think u should finish ur placements then continue the series, bc golds arent really the ones who are going to benefit most from the more in depth analysis of rotation, i think that would be more useful for champ to gc as the games get faster. more because they need to be able to read plays before understanding what to do in certain situations so your explanations might not be helping them as much

Smurfing isn't 'harmful' lmao. I don't defend smurfing, but the stupid thinking is more harmful than the smurfing, which has never permanently hurt anyone.

@Scion15

3 жыл бұрын

That's... that's not what that means in this context.

@Etazoz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scion15 I know, its just he made it seems like a huge issue when its mildly annoying at worst lol

@cmdrfunk

3 жыл бұрын

People are less likely to play if they have to put up with bullshit. It's not that complicated.

I don't know what people are saying about smurfing. This is playing like a bronze when it comes to mechanics.