Also thanks for the videos, I love the podcast/ radio discussions on christianity, it's a great resource

@caroleimani9754

3 жыл бұрын

What were those banging, scraping noises during the time that Anglican guy (I forgot his name) was talking??

@JR-yj8ig

3 жыл бұрын

Throwing this out there. You cannot lose salvation. Sound doctrine. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:-1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.-Isaiah 55:3 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.-Isaiah 55:13 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.-Acts 13:34 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this Man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.-Acts 13:38-39 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.-John 6:35-40 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.-John 20:29 Believe on Him and love one another. Do unto others as you have them do unto you. As you sow so shall you reap in this life and the next. The law is established by grace and made void by the precepts of men that deny His testimonies of tender mercy. But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.-Mathew 21:28-31 Let your yes be a yes and your no a no. Dead faith is simply cold. They have done what is their duty to do. Hot faith is perfected by works and the lukewarm is the first son who denies Him and His testimony and so He denies them by spitting them out of His mouth. He never knew them. The will of the Father is that He should lose nothing. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.-John 3:16 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,-Hebrews 13:20

@RoyceVanBlaricome

11 ай бұрын

​@@JR-yj8ig Throwing this out there. You can lose your salvation. Sound doctrine, And thanks for being a living testimony of just how badly one's doctrinal filters can blind them to the truth,. EVERY single one of those verses either show you can lose your salvation or they were twisted like a pretzel and you raped Scripture by violently ripping them out of their CONTEXT,. I won't address each one. Just two to provide EVIDENCE and witnesses against you for the edification of others: "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, AND WHERE IN YOU STAND; By which also ye are saved, IF YE KEEP in memory what I preached unto you, UNLESS YE BELIEVED IN VAIN. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:-1 Corinthians 15:1-4 That's the first one you quoted. So you started off blind. Now for the second I'll show another you gave which is quite probably the most well-known and infamous verse in Scripture: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.-John 3:16" With the last one some may need to do a little study as to what "believe" means but, for now, I'll just bring to light that it says "believe" an NOT "believed".

Love these guys. I am a 70 year old pastor in ministry for 45 years and a life long learner.!!!

Amen Christ has all the glory for our salvation. Let all us as believers stay confident in Christ who Made us, Called us, Saved us and Keeps us, glory. God loves His children He doesn’t REMOVE justification He wants all to be saved. John 3:16 John 6:37-47 Philippians 1:6 Isaiah 12:2 Revelation 3:16-17

Before the 16th century No One believed that you were eternally secure until you were securely in eternity. This might answer protestant confusion on this matter. God is faithful and true... Stick with Him and He'll see you through to the end (which is our true birthday and wedding day) Xx

@lauromartinez8948

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY ! This was also brought in by Calvinist philosophy.

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

if it were up to us to "stuck with Him" no one would ever be saved

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

@@lauromartinez8948 no, its from the Bible

@janetleight8788

8 күн бұрын

True, then John Calvin reared his head in the 1500's changing the words to the Bible to fit his narrative. So I'm still not sure. I will continue to seek the lord on this.

First off, I have to say I appreciate Dr. Flowers' humility in admitting it's an open question and he could be wrong. I'm also 100% in agreement with him that functionally it doesn't matter because we will approach those the same whether they are truly unsaved or only appear to be. That said though, I've been thinking a lot about this doctrinal question lately, having come to faith through a church that primarily teaches a once-saved-always-saved doctrine, and, while I wouldn't be too put off to find out I'm wrong, I have come to land on the ability to "set aside" your salvation as being most consistent with the whole council of Scripture. Not that you can sin your way out of salvation, but maintaining salvation would be a question of maintaining your faith in Jesus as the basis for your salvation. This brings with it the inherent danger of sin, and fits with the regular warnings of Scripture, that unrepentant sin is a primary cause for our hearts being hardened and us drifting away from our moorings in the faith. As I've thought about this though, one implication of this that has stuck in my craw is that if we say those who walk away were never truly saved to begin with, then does that mean that we can never really be sure of our own salvation? Following the example Josh puts forth, and having a handful of such people in my own life, I think in order to say that someone who walks away was never truly saved is to say that no matter how firmly you hold to your current convictions, you'll only know if you are really saved or not if those are still your convictions at the moment of death. Which really seems to undermine the assurance the gospel is supposed to be providing us...

@dh1335

3 жыл бұрын

You can walk away from your faith, because I did by pursuing sin. Yet, I returned to my faith and have been working it out ever since by repenting of all my sins. It’s similar to a unfaithful spouse who returns , because they want the marriage union to work. Then there are people who we’re never faithful, they were still lying, stealing, fornicating, or lusting in their heart via pornography and hiding it. Then those people followed the itching ear teachers, who would give comfort to the sinner who are still in their sins . They put their hope in “Once saved always saved “.

@dh1335

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend you to watch Mike Desario teaching on U-Tube, a true Bible teacher

@billerickson5604

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly Joe . Well said

@ttff-bd2yf

Жыл бұрын

@@dh1335 this is works based salvation and is heresy

@KJVisOutdated-ek9cw

4 ай бұрын

@@ttff-bd2yf It is true that works based salvation is heresy. Works based salvation that justifies a person to eternal life is also true. You do like 99% of every one else here on youtube - lump all works into a single category. I encourage you to go deeper in the Word of God. But there is no need to go deeper if you think you have it all figured out and have a closed mind.

The show is looking better and better every week! You guys rock keep up the good work!

@TheRemnantRadio

4 жыл бұрын

Shadrack James aww thank you. It was a bumpy start live. We had to pull the video and re upload it.

I’m saved- fall away but come back. Fall miserably but rise up . I always come back .

@KM-zn3lx

7 ай бұрын

Isn't that a song? 😂

@savedbyGrace1234

7 ай бұрын

@@KM-zn3lx could be- should be lol

@c.wilke7649

5 ай бұрын

I also was radically saved (almost makes me believe in Reformed Theology because I was NOT LOOKING for GOD) and I also fell into deep sin and repent and lived "good" then repeated this for years... I also tried getting saved again and I heard (by impression 😉) that I was "barking up the wrong tree"!! And I know the Holy Spirit never left me although He was severely grieved...15 years go by struggling until I fell this time flat on the floor and declared/questioned: "Jesus, you promised me an ABUNDANT LIFE, and I give up trying to live right...I am all in...HELP" I also asked to see His eyes and I wanted a hug... And He "impressed" to me these words: I gave you others (Christians) to give you hugs and no man can see my face and not die. Well, I insisted on my requests and would not give up until He gave me those requests... And about a year later He met me (flat on the floor again) and very creatively with lots of humor cuz thats how we are together... I got to see eyes and got my very real spiritual hug! Sorry so long of a response but If I can brake Every 10 Commandment and He NEVER GAVE UP ON ME an never removed Holy Spirit! I can stand firm in His keeping me until the glorious day when I see Him face to face and get a real hug from His arms! So, I do hope you know you are not alone in your struggles... never give up because He never will either! Happy New Year as this response is on 010124 🎉

@c.wilke7649

5 ай бұрын

and yes there is a song on falling down and we get up again!!!

Very enlightening. Thank you. GOD bless your ministries

Dr Flowers thank you for spending time with us on Jordans program Revivalists for Christ God bless you Renee Roland

If you call on the name of the Lord you will be saved!

@reynaerives2121

Жыл бұрын

Yes , God came into my life with a simple prayer.

@brokengirl8619

Жыл бұрын

If we look to a prayer then we are not trusting Jesus alone to save us. How do we know we are saved? Cause him, not a prayer.

@graftme3168

Жыл бұрын

​@@brokengirl8619The Bible tells us how we know we are saved. We BELIEVE the Gospel. Everything else is a RESULT of our salvation because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us.

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

​@@reynaerives2121no, God comes into your life by faith

@theodoreritola7641

24 күн бұрын

Very true.

Those who endure to the end, shall be saved!

@arcdoorisclosing8934

3 жыл бұрын

And 100% on the ten commandments!

@caroleimani9754

3 жыл бұрын

What does: "Those who endure to the end shall be saved" mean??

@burtonsnow845

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus was speaking to a group of believers who were about to endure severe persecution. I do not think His message was a warning to those who might lose their salvation, but an encouragement to persevere to the end with the hope of their eternal salvation (glorification) in sight.

@JacksTestimony

3 жыл бұрын

As long as you place your faith in Jesus to save you from your sinful body, he will save you and give you eternal life.

@burtonsnow845

3 жыл бұрын

@adam_4_18 great argument, solid points

Work out your own salvation not everyone else’s salvation. For it is he that works in us both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

This has answered so many questions for me. Thank you so much for this dialogue.

He mentioned Ray Comfort. Could you guys have him on? I love that guy.

@user-sy4ec3em5o

3 жыл бұрын

Ray Comfort preaches a false lordship repent of your sins "gospel"... he is a false prophet who denies salvation by faith alone

@fivewisemaranatha7402

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-sy4ec3em5o Jesus did too

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

I like to call him Ray Discomfort. Repent of your sins TO BE saved, is what he preaches, is law keeping for salvation. Blows my mind some can't detect this leaven of a false gospel.

@justchilling704

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 I’m shocked that your claiming Ray things repentance itself saves. He believes in faith saving.

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

@@justchilling704 You're shocked that a bible believing Christian is calling out Ray Comforts false gospel that doesn't save? "Repent of all your sins TO BE saved", which he claims, is unbiblical and nothing more then law keeping/works salvation. Repentance means to change ones mind.

My Christian friend said: I would rather be eternally SECURE than eternally INSECURE.......

@JimiSurvivor

3 жыл бұрын

I would rather have insecurity based on truth than false security. The false prophets in the OT were always prophesying peace. Because of this most of the people were lulled to sleep until the judgment fell.

@justchilling704

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor That’s irrelevant.

@bobbyadkins6983

2 жыл бұрын

@@justchilling704 Nothing irrelevant about it. They didn't have eternal security then and we don't have it now.

@bobbyadkins6983

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor Very true!

@timothyseals3791

2 жыл бұрын

Feelings do not save. Obedience saves.

I have always said if you believe that you can lose salvation, I'd say," then don't lose it." If you believe that you are sealed unto the day of redemption, I'd say, Then glorify God. If a preacher is pointing people to Christ that should be commendable and congruent with the call.

@thehourifirstbelieved3655

3 жыл бұрын

But you cant hop in and out of righteousness and justification..it seems like you're implying that by saying if you think like this and if you think like that..

@wilsons043

3 жыл бұрын

@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 I agree that a person can't hop in and out. I think people need to teach the Gospel of assurance, as John did in 1 John 5 :1-13. I don't believe that statement I wrote, I just know some people say that once sealed always sealed as false. We can only be born again once and we belong to God.

@thehourifirstbelieved3655

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilsons043 ok fair enough..

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

Romans 8:30 clearly states all that are justified ARE glorified. The conditional salvationists are heretics that preach another gospel.

@wilsons043

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 yeah, some have just been taught wrong.

If one cannot earn their salvation through their own actions, then how can they loose their salvation through their own actions.

@chrisstevens1156

4 жыл бұрын

If faith is an effectual exclusive gift than you cant know you will apostasize because apostasy originates with God too. You can never know if your faith is the apostacy type or the one that lasts. Your status of being the elect is only estimated bin your temporal current obedience.

@chrisstevens1156

4 жыл бұрын

@Bob Smith unless i believe i am a pie then truth isn't determined by my knowledge. Truth is separate from my knowledge of it. Truth remains truth whether i believe it or not.

@sweetmullet7320

4 жыл бұрын

Great question!! It is a gift of God. God bestows the gift of sonship by the Holy Spirit’s seal. I just don’t think *we* can loose this gift. It is sealed by God himself. We store up for ourselves treasure in Heaven because of this gift.

@chrisstevens1156

4 жыл бұрын

@Bob Smith forget religion, let me ask you, do you believe the Bible is our standard of truth? Although there is one death and judgement that follows, hell is willful rejection of your maker in which that maker died for you. Matthew 25:46 New King James Version (NKJV) 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

@sweetmullet7320

4 жыл бұрын

@Bob Smith “If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself.” Augustine

Grace, belief, faith and works.

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but *he that shall endure unto the end* the same shall be saved.” {Mark 13:13} Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, *if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end* {Hebrews 3:12-14} I will hear what God the LORD will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: *but let them not turn again to folly* {Psalm 85:8} “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he [the unclean spirit] walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house [a man] from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” {Matthew 12:43-45} Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man *draw back* my soul shall have no pleasure in him. {Hebrews 10:38}

@theodoreritola7641

24 күн бұрын

HOW DOES OR CAN JESUS CHRIST ,,,UN.. REDEEM HIS CHILDREN THEN ABORT THEM ?

@theodoreritola7641

7 күн бұрын

Why do you believe Jesus Christ .UN. RDEEMS his own aborts them and tells them they are no longer born again Because IF you dont believe OSAS thats what you are telling Jesus Christ

First time viewer, enjoyed it. Good job by all!

A surprise to hear of Dr. Leighton's stand on this issue after listening to him on so many matters of the Provisionists. He seemed to veer closer to the stand of the perseverance of the saints as the Calvinists. The explanation on Hebrews 6 still needs some work. Dr Leighton needs to explain how those signs do not show a converted soul and not dismiss it so easily on the grounds of practicality. Also, he needs to clarify where the role of the free will is when it comes to apostasy (not just backslidding only). Does his stand mean that once saved, a person have no more free will to not commit apostasy?

@KJVisOutdated-ek9cw

4 ай бұрын

Love your reply. I greatly admire Dr. Flowers but I also have to take exception to his stance on OSAS. He says justification is a legal term and God, who knows a persons entire life, justifies him forever (supposedly based on his foreknowledge). That leads him to the erroneous assumption that a person who apostatizes must have had a dead faith earlier because it was not a saving faith. James declares that a saving faith is one that is evidenced by works performed by faith. Are we to believe that a person who does so and then apostatizes had a dead faith to begin with? Of course not! When we come to faith in Christ and are saved, Jesus forgives us of all our sins. Does that mean our future sins as well that have not been committed yet? Of course not! It that were the case, we could continue to sin willfully w/o repenting and we could live like the devil. Jesus did not atone for our sins in order to sanctify our continual sinning.

The Scriptures plainly teach the eternal security of the believer, which means that once a believer is saved they can NEVER lose the free gift of salvation. You can't even take yourself out of God's hand. See Rom. 8:39.

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

Most Christians don't know what saved means!!..

@harvestworkers626

6 ай бұрын

@@bobreese4807 . . You’re probably right. Many, I believe, are told to walk down an aisle and then pray a prayer accepting Jesus in their hearts. But sadly many may have prayed a prayer, but may have never actually believed that Jesus Christ died for their sins. Believing the Gospel is what saves us, not praying a prayer.

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

@@harvestworkers626 ASSENT to truth alone does not save. ..and is DECEPTION The gospel is the message of grace/power that deals with guilt & depravity to change a ROM 8:7 human into a ROM 8:4 follower of GOD,JESUS. 99% of preachers = deceived and are heretics.

@harvestworkers626

6 ай бұрын

@@bobreese4807 . . Not “of works” Bob, but of grace through faith. The Lord Jesus Christ will not have any believer throughout eternity boasting of how they were saved. We are either saved by believing what Jesus Christ has done or we remain dead in our trespasses and sins. Many believers try to add “works” into a place where works don’t belong. (Rom 4:4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. Works are not of grace but of debt. There is either a reward given to the faithful believer or there is loss because of failure to have works of faith. (Rom 4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. The moment a person believes the gospel message in 1 Co 15:3-4 that individual receives God’s imputed righteousness meaning they are spiritually regenerated and given the Holy Spirit Who is their seal until the day of redemption. Eph 1:13 and 4:30. God bless! Acts 16:31 Gal 3:2

All that the father has given me will be save and I will not lose one.

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

Context!

@lauromartinez8948

Жыл бұрын

He won’t lose them, They will walk away

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

Most Christians don't know what saved means!!..

The calling and gifts of God are without rebuke

We as Christians have been saved, are continually being saved, and will be completely saved if we endure unto the end.

@living4ever

2 жыл бұрын

Past, Present, and Future saving!!! Amen, brother! We are not saved now, but we will be IF we endure till the end!

@KM-zn3lx

9 ай бұрын

Amen!

@KM-zn3lx

9 ай бұрын

​@@living4eversaved when Jesus says so.

@living4ever

9 ай бұрын

@@KM-zn3lx Or when it's been revealed to me through the Holy Spirit.

@theodoreritola7641

24 күн бұрын

JOHN CH 3 VS 16 JESUS CHRIST GIVES ETERNAL LIFE PERIOD

OSAS is a recent doctrine that propped up during the 1600s - which none of the students of Apostles or early church fathers adhered for. All the verses put forth for this can be explained under conditional salvation and actually synthesizes with the rest of the scripture but the opposite cannot be done without being awkward and forced. You can only say that all those great Christians from early history were wrong either due to not having the Holy Spirit, not consulting with Him or He did not reveal it to them for "inexplicable" reasos. And for anyone wondering what the students of the Apostles thought on this matter, from the very beginning. ( Note : They had a surprisingly similar stance on this, drew the same conclusion from the scripture we today read. That also corresponded with the first thousand years of Christianity until OSAS reared its head during the 1600s ) “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But often shall ye come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if ye be not made perfect in the last time.” (Didache, A.D.70) “He who keeps them will be glorified in the kingdom of God. However, he who chooses other things will be destroyed with his works.” (Barnabas, A.D. 70) “We ought therefore, brethren, carefully to inquire concerning our salvation. Otherwise, the wicked one, having made his entrance by deceit, may hurl us forth from our life.” (Barnabas, A.D. 70) “And pray ye without ceasing in behalf of other men; for there is hope of the repentance, that they may attain to God. For ‘cannot he that falls arise again, and he may attain to God.’” (Ignatius of Antioch, To the Ephesians, A.D.110) “Let us therefore repent with the whole heart, so that none of us perish by the way.” (Second Clement, A.D. 150) “I hold further, that those of you who have confessed and known this man to be Christ, yet who have gone back for some reason to the legal dispensation [i.e. the Mosaic Law] and have denied that this man is Christ, and have not repented before death-you will by no means be saved.” (Justin Martyr, A.D. 160) “Rather, we should fear ourselves, lest perchance, after we have come to the knowledge of Christ, if we do those things displeasing to God, we obtain not further forgiveness for sin, but are shut out of His kingdom.” (Irenaeus, A.D. 180 “God gives forgiveness of past sins. However, as to future sins, each one procures this for himself. He does this by repenting, by condemning past deeds, and by begging the Father to blot them out.” Clement of Alexandria, A.D. 195 “The world returned to sin…and so it is destined to fire. So is the man who after baptism renews his sins.” Tertullian, A.D. 198 You need to ask yourself why the Sacred Author says 1. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering (gives a warning) 2. For if we go on sinning deliberatly after receveing the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgement 3. How much worse punishment will be deserved, by the one who has... profaned the blood of the covenant BY WHICH HE WAS sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of Grace? 4. For you have need of endurance. 5. If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him. Partically on Numbers 2. and 3.

If "eternal security" or OSAS were true, then there would have been no point in warnings like these: ⚫ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6) You must first *_be_* a branch before you can be "cast forth as a branch." And obviously we *can* be "cast forth" after becoming a branch. Jesus did not say "once a branch, always a branch." It's amazing to me that anyone could conclude you're still "saved" after being "cast off as a branch" and "withered" and "cast into the fire" and "burned." Simply amazing . . . but people will believe what they want to believe. Jesus clearly warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin: ⚫ "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." (Jesus, in Luke 12:45,46) "Once saved, always saved," with "eternal security"? Apparently not. Sins "all paid for, past, present and future"? Apparently not. That servant was going to pay for his sins himself. The apostle Paul had the holy spirit. Paul clearly refuted "once saved, always saved": he stated it was possible for him to revert to a life of sin and therefore be rejected . . . thrown out . . . a "castaway": ⚫ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27) There's a message there for all who have been misled to believe that *having* the holy spirit is a guarantee of your salvation. We must remain in repentance, being *led* by the holy spirit (Romans 8:13,14) and "walking after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) . . . not just _having_ it and ignoring it. The apostle Paul warned that Gentile believers - even after being "graffed" into the "vine," - could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" (the Israelites) had been broken off: ⚫ "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, *take heed lest he also spare not thee.* Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, *if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."* (Romans 11:19-22) If, after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to a life of sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning": ⚫ "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22) Here is another warning "if" about returning to a life of sin: ⚫ "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26,27) *_Can you lose your salvation?_* Trick question, because it presumes you *_have_* salvation. However Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22) . . . and we have not endured to the end. Christians need to understand justification (now) vs salvation (later). Paul wrote that justification and salvation are different things, at different times (Romans 5:9). While we abide in Jesus and "walk after the spirit" (Romans 8:1) we remain in justification and are "in His goodness" or grace (Romans 11:22) -not under condemnation. While in justification we have "the hope of salvation" and are "appointed . . . to obtain salvation" as Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9. We have many warnings not to fall away from justification because if we do, we'll forfeit that "hope of salvation." We'll miss our appointment to receive the promised gift of eternal life (1 John 2:25), at Jesus' "revelation," His return (1 Peter 1:13; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). Upon receiving eternal life at Jesus' return, then you will have eternal security. Short of receiving eternal life you will perish, very much unsaved. ⚫ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1) Here's more of the many warnings not to fall away. Note the "ifs" with conditions: ⚫ "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." (2 Peter 1:10,11 ) ⚫ "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" (Hebrews 3:12-14) ⚫ "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23 ) Another "if": we must choose to be led by the holy spirit: ⚫ "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:13,14) It IS possible to fall away, even after being made a "partaker" of the holy spirit! There would have been no point in writing the next passage if it were impossible to fall away: ⚫ "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6:4-6) We can "fail of the grace of God": ⚫ "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled" (Hebrews 12:14,15) Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life: ⚫ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 3:5 and 22:19)

@TheBibleSays

3 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades That's right: God makes the decision about eternity . . . not us. But if we'll choose to follow His instructions, we're promised His mercy. Acts 17:30; Proverbs 28:13; Acts 3:19; Hebrews 5:9.

@TheBibleSays

3 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades Agreed: no such place as hell. "For the wages of sin is death . . . " (Romans 6:23).

@TheBibleSays

3 жыл бұрын

@Jack Of All Trades Thanks, but I'll stick with Jesus and the Father . . . not Chemosh.

@shayhansen1265

Жыл бұрын

I agree with pretty much every thing you wrote, but I have a question. In your replies to jack of all trades, do you affirm annihilation?

@TheBibleSays

Жыл бұрын

@@shayhansen1265 I affirm annihilation. Preachers today usually present salvation in terms of "where you'll spend eternity." The “where you’ll spend eternity” narrative comes from pagan Greek immortal soul doctrine, which crept into churches over the centuries. It says you'll always be alive, someplace. It has roots in Satan's original lie: ■ “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die” (Genesis 3:4) Truth is, you won't even *_have_* an eternity unless you receive from God the gift of eternal life! Otherwise you’ll perish: ■ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) After resurrection and judgment the unsaved die again. It’s called “the second death” in the Bible, in Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14 and 21:8. After that second death there is no life and no more resurrection; it is the end of you. That’s what it means to perish, as taught in the New Testament. The Old Testament is the same: the unsaved are destroyed and will never again "be": ■ "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." (Psalm 37:10) ■ "When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever" (Psalms 92:7) “Hell” also crept into church doctrine, to explain _"where"_ the unsaved “spend eternity.” Immortal soul/hell-believing translators then wrote “hell” into most Bibles by mistranslating. For example: ■ “And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire” (Mark 9:47) “Hell” is from the Greek word γεέννῃ: the dump outside Jerusalem 2000 years ago. Constant fires there were sure to destroy whatever was thrown in. Jesus was only saying the unsaved would be destroyed, as surely as trash thrown into that burning dump would be destroyed. By the way, here’s Plato (the pagan Greek philosopher) writing about the immortal soul. See if this sounds like what’s taught in churches today: _"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC)

Once saved you can no longer lose your salvation because it's not based on what you continue "to do" (works) but on what Christ has done and His FREE GIFT offer of salvation. Salvation is a gift, not a reward. No matter what a saved person does, they cannot lose their salvation GIVEN, not rewarded by God.

As a Calvinist, I can say amen to there being no difference in how we treat them! Call then back to repentance and pray!

I used to be a once saved always saved girl myself. Until the Lord convicted me and washed me from a lifestyle of sin. A once Born Again child of God gloriously filled with the spirit I fell back into sin and for 5 years was blindly living a life of sin all the while thinking that I was a child of God. I even went to church in this condition and once convicted it took me a YEAR for my eyes to fully be open to the height that I had fallen from. The spirit of God began to minister to me and I began to see just exactly what had happened and why. This once saved always saved Doctrine was nothing more than a license to sin and live in it without conviction because the light had been removed and the spirit was absent! I was blinded once again in sin just as if I had never been saved... but I thought I was saved. as the spirit of God began to minister more and more I went to him in prayer and I said you have shown me the truth now show me what I can do. so here I am. John 15 1-10Jesus clearly states that if a man remains in him bearing fruit then shall he be my disciples. He States every branch in me that bears no fruit is taken away and burned. He did not say once connected always connected there's a contingency based upon remaining in him. Remaining in the Vine. The problem that occurs is that folks do not remain in the Vine. When they don't remain in the Vine they do not produce fruits unto repentance scripture is clear that father God will cut it down and it is to be burned. This is parallel to what Paul spoke of in Hebrews chapter 6 and verse 8 in that which Bears thorns and Briars is rejected near to cursing whose end is to be burned. 2 Peter 2 amplifies this ..vs 20 for if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled and overcome the latter end is worse for them than the beginning for it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness then after they had known it to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them but this is happened unto them according to the true proverb the dog is turned again to his own vomit and the sow has returned to her wallowing in the mud. Ezekiel 18:24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die" Folks have been bamboozled by the once saved always saved lie. It's the same lie that Satan presented to Eve in the Garden of Eden. It's the same old tactic with a different label. Genesis 3:4 and the serpent said to the woman YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE for God does know that in the day that you eat thereof then your eyes shall be opened and you shall be as Gods knowing Good and Evil. In the same way this false Doctrine teaches sins are forgiven past present and future...it teaches no need for repentance or self-examination why, you are above sinning...past present and future sin is abolished. You've already received your crown!! Live as you like..when scripture is very clear from Isaiah 59 that sin is the number one thing that SEPARATES us from God. it neglects the fact that we need to have a clean conscience before God. It denies that we have to be ready waiting and watching for the Master's return. Ready waiting and watching requires self-examination and a repentant heart before the throne of grace. if you're once saved always saved you have no need to walk in holiness and without it the Bible says None will see the Lord. Once saved always saved is a cloak for sin when the Bible says to submit ourselves and humble ourselves and to crucify our flesh. Once once saved always saved is quite possibly one of the largest deceptions and contributors to the great Falling Away spoken of in second Thessalonians 2 and 1st Timothy chapter 4. While it promises comfort and eternal security it is a false security and a very deceptive slippery slope AWAY from Christ and OUTSIDE of the vine to those who wrap themselves in it. You have no need of Him any longer! You've believed the lie! Jude explained this deseptive doctrine to perfection..For certain people have crept in unnoticed [just as if they were sneaking in by a side door]. They are ungodly persons whose condemnation was predicted long ago, for they distort the grace of our God into decadence and immoral freedom [viewing it as an opportunity to do whatever they want], and deny and disown our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5 Now I want to remind you, although you are fully informed once for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe [who refused to trust and obey and rely on Him This Doctrine portrays only the love of God and it neglects the Holiness of God. God has not nor will he ever change for he has said I am the Lord I change not. One is either born again or they are not. They either have the spirit of God or they do not. if they are born again then they will not remain in their sin or continue in a lifestyle of sin and still have the Holy Spirit for the scriptures are very clear that it is sin that separates us from God. A child of God will not run around and Tout that they are above falling, they fear God, humble themselves understanding that he REQUIRES abiding in him, faithful service and a commited life to overcoming the World the Flesh and the devil just as Christ did but also knowing and Remembering The Words of Christ that any man putting his hand to the plow and then turn back is not fit for the kingdom of God. They begin to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling just as Paul said. They walk in daily communion and obedience to the savior. it's my prayer that anyone reading this would carefully consider through the lens of scripture where they stand. That they would examine the scriptures for themselves and let the spirit of God teach them and direct them and guide them into all truth. Jesus says straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and few are found therein. once saved always saved is a very welcomed and famously preached Doctrine by many respected pastors but if you could have a bird's eye view into the throne room where they stand and give an account for what they have taught in error I'm sure one would shutter in fear... Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.. 1 Peter 5:8

@davidochiengbuoga7165

11 ай бұрын

The reason why you the H/P convicted you was because you are saved forever and secured until the end

@KM-zn3lx

9 ай бұрын

Holy Spirit? I can't say for sure OSAS then period. There were times I walked with God then lived a Jesus less hedonistic life. Then turned back seeking him yet holding onto a sin. I would say I was saved by Jesus when I replied on him and not just a simple prayer. There have been Christians who rejected Christ then idolized a sin or another God. In the end, I trust in God's justice and judgement and I'm trying hard to walk in Christ's footsteps!

@davidochiengbuoga7165

9 ай бұрын

@@KM-zn3lx To enter God's kingdom does not require man's effort/labor at all.(Romans 9:16) It's God who wants His sons to be with Him in coming new earth and it's Him who will ensure that all enter, none will be lost John 6 25-40. Sons of God are saved forever by God Himself through Jesus Christ.And nothing can whatsoever pluck them out of God's hand(John 10:27-30; Romans 8:28-40)

@kimberlyccrn

9 ай бұрын

I could’ve shared the same testimony! So good! Thank you!

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

Idk about you but the Spirit that is within my PROMISED to keep me in the faith till the end... I can't imagine grieving Him by going back to that old lifestyle

When you have been clothed in the righteousness of Christ, will God then strip that garment from you based on your works? Does God give you that imputed righteousness based on your works? I agree with Dr Flowers, we treat people that are not showing the fruit of salvation the same. Calling them to repentance and faith in Christ. Whether that is a backsliding Christian or a nonbeliever.

@lauromartinez8948

Жыл бұрын

God wing strip that garment from you. But you can strip that garment From you.

Loved this episode! ❤️

That is so true. Many people get saved but they do not grow.

Hebrews 6 is a clear explanation of what the Hebrews experienced in the book of Acts. They tasted of the gifts and saw the miracles much like those who witnessed the day of Pentecost and like Jesus feeding the 5000. Another great example of that is when the 9 of the ten lepers were healed but did not turn to Christ. One can experience the common grace of God and not be regenerate. The goodness of God draws man to repentance. These Jews still needed teaching about the work of Christ and are why the verse of the elementary teachings was mentioned.

@bobbyadkins6983

2 жыл бұрын

That passage is clearly warning about the possibility of genuine Believers committing apostasy. Hebrews is full of warnings to Believers. Hebrews 3:12-13 is another great example. He is clearly warning Christians and even telling us to exhort one another daily lest any be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. No one but a true Christian can depart from the living God. Paul wasn't warning unbelievers.

@wilsons043

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyadkins6983 Do you by chance think its speaking to those who were jews, maybe? Reading the entire letter proves this because the message about the temple which was a place of worship for the elect of God is referred to in the latter portion of the letter.

@wilsons043

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbyadkins6983 Think about the Jews for a moment. They were the ele t of God but some didn't believe. He selected them and brought them out of Egypt before they ever did anything. Read Psalm 78 brother.

@Mike65809

Жыл бұрын

@@wilsons043 He was writing to Christian Jews, warning them not to fall away from Jesus.

@wilsons043

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike65809 I assume you mean, reject Jesus as the Way. If that's is the case, you are correct.

And how about the example of the parable of the four kinds of soils? Some received the seed which was the word, but the ground was shallow and they didn’t any kind of a crop. The seed died.

I think part of this debate is our view on God and how He works in chronological time. If you affirm one can lose their salvation, you’re arguing God, who exists outside of time, is granting one salvation for some period of time and then removing it from them. However, God knows the beginning and the end. He says “I NEVER knew you” to those who are not saved. He doesn’t say, “I knew you for a time and you left”. The point is, you either have salvation and true saving faith or you don’t. God knows who does and who doesn’t. He doesn’t grant salvation to those who bloom for a time, He never knew them. It’s binary, you are covered by the blood or you aren’t to God. You aren’t covered for a time and then removed.

This is the only explanation that makes sense of why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was placed in the Garden of Eden. Thank you Dr. Flowers!

@IndianaJoe0321

3 жыл бұрын

Adam was told to eat from all the trees -- including the Tree of Life -- except for the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad. If they'd have eaten from the Tree of Life, they'd have been granted everlasting life ... yet still could have partaken from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad, and forfeited their eternal life. In other words, the answer to the OSAS discussion is in the Garden of Eden as well as dozens & dozens of other biblical passages.

I have always liked, it is which direction we are headed.

8:00 - what's all the noise that starts happening on Leighton's end? And why does "right" sound like a burp?

Leighton is a true preacher.. the illustrations are so brilliant

Paul warns baptized Christians who break the commandments, God's Eternal law willfully, and persist in immorality and impurity, they shall not enter the Kingdom. ( Galatians 5:19,20,21, Ephesians 5:5,6, Romans 11:22, Hebrews 10:26,29). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

Thanks for fixing this, the audio was so quiet and I didnt comment before but i see others have

@TheRemnantRadio

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah this was the only way to produce a consistent product I apologize we had so many bugs last night. Believe it or not we had quite a bit of testing we did.

49:15 😂😂😂 ...you gotta love Dr Flowers

how can everlasting life not be everlasting

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

If you don’t continue steadfast in the faith, firm unto the end.

@danielrutigliano7938

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanu6579 did those of Matthew 7:21-23 continue steadfast in the faith? Did they not persevere till the end? Did they not endure to the end? How is it Jesus NEVER knew them?

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielrutigliano7938 They were never saved because Jesus never knew them. There are others who were saved but didn’t continue in the faith.... Matt 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 ¶ So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. John 15:5 ¶ I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 9 ¶ As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. I wouldn’t use Matt 7 to prove that one can lose their salvation. That passage is about a completely different category of people. God bless.

@danielrutigliano7938

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanu6579 those in Matthew 7 whom He never knew sure did seem as though they were steadfast in their faith up till the last minute. Bet you they preached salvation could be lost. The one thing they never did was BELIEVE on Christ for salvation. It was all about them and their works. I find the same thing being preached by those who think they can lose salvation. It's always about "their obedience" to the faith which they are relying on to keep themselves saved.

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielrutigliano7938 Have you noticed the two “book ends” in the sermon on the mount?.... Matt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matt 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Those are the works that Jesus will work in a believer. He created new creatures that bear fruit..... Matt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Those whom Jesus never knew, were relying on signs and wonders. They were all about miracles...... Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that 👉🏻work iniquity.👈🏻 The fruit that He was looking for, was not the fruit they were bearing. They worked iniquity. So works do follow a true believer.... Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 ¶ Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. So those in Matt 7 didn’t have a faith that worked love. Love is the works that Jesus is looking for. Love fulfills the law. Matt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 ¶ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. God bless.

I appreciate this discussion and although I am settled in my own mind of my salvation, I had been a backslidden Christian and question what would have happened if I died in my sins. I know in my heart and I stated with my mouth that I believed in Jesus and His resurrection Rom. 10:9. However, I wasn't ready to surrender my life to His Lordship. Questions still abound because my children are repeating how I lived. One criticism is Dr L, seems to give arguments with very little scripture. Maybe I missed it, but the arguments get confusing without scripture to back it up.

@JoshuaAdrianjones

4 жыл бұрын

Im like you.

@evanu6579

4 жыл бұрын

Ann Hinz Part of being in a proper relationship with God is having a clean conscience towards Him. If you’re living in sin, you hide from His presence. That’s why faith in Christ is what reconciles is to Him. We no that in Him we have forgiveness, we are free from the law, and we rely on His righteousness as our means of justification. Heb 10: 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) Eph 3: 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Heb 3: 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Adam walked with God until he sinned. That’s when he hid from Him. You can’t be in a relationship with Him when you’re hiding. That’s called spiritual death, like when the prodigal son left his father to go live in sin. (“This my son was dead but is alive again”) So when we sin, we are to trust that we have forgiveness in Christ so that we don’t fall into sin. Once we’re hiding from God (spiritual death) sin will abound. That’s how i see it and I believe I can back it all up with scripture. God bless.

@kathyhenderson2114

4 жыл бұрын

When there's confusion then it's not of God.

@MrBazinthenow

4 жыл бұрын

@@evanu6579 Being in a proper relationship with Christ is to be in him. The only way to be in Him is to be regenerated by the work of the Holy spirit and sealed .

@evanu6579

4 жыл бұрын

MrBazinthenow It sounds like you may have the order mixed up but nevertheless you obviously missed the point I was making. For two parties to come together after a relationship had been severed, the thing that caused the separation has to be dealt with. God separated from us because Of sin and we hid from His presence because of sin. Our sin is removed in Christ so God can be in fellowship with Him and we trust that our sin is removed in Christ so that we no longer hide from Him but come into fellowship with Him. This is an aspect of reconciliation. That’s why faith keeps us in fellowship. It gives us confidence to come into His presence where fellowship with Him occurs. If you don’t trust that Christ has rid you of some new sin you committed, then you go back into hiding. That’s spiritual death. That’s why we must confess it and forsake it and continue to trust because it could destroy your relationship.

Best biblical message concerning this subject I have ever heard: vlad savchuk once saved always saved 🥰

I thought about the tree of life as just that, the tree of life. Never thought about it as , Adam and Eve being given permission to eat of all trees except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That's something new to mull on.

The NT is very clear that those who have been given salvation by God cannot be lost. In John 10 Jesus said that those who were given to Him by the Father will never perish; they will never be snatched from His hand. Unsaved believers can lose their faith because they are self converts and do not have the Holy Spirit. Saved believers are already citizens of heaven, they are for ever sealed by the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of their inheritance. Eph 1. Those covered by the blood of Christ have security of eternal redemption. Heb 9 Got Questions Christian app explains OSAS very well.

@larrybedouin2921

Жыл бұрын

You cannot fall away from the faith, if you never had the faith. That would be nonsensical.

@KM-zn3lx

Жыл бұрын

What's a self convert?

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

@@larrybedouin2921 there is a difference between THE faith (the knowledge of Jesus) and having faith (trusting in Him and being regenerated by the Spirit) people who are born again are believing, those who are not believed temporarily

@larrybedouin2921

8 ай бұрын

@@tomtemple69 Knowledge alone cannot save anyone. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, *by the word of God* which liveth and abideth for ever. {1 Peter 1:23} In whom also we [Ephesians] have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated *according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will* That we [Christ Apostles] should be to the praise of his glory, *who first trusted in Christ* In whom ye also trusted, *after* that ye *heard the word of truth* the gospel of your salvation: in whom also *after that ye believed* ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. {Ephesians 1:11-14}

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

@@larrybedouin2921 thank you for proving me correct

Worthy topic guys. 👍🏽 OSAS or eternal security of the believer is a *blessed assurance indeed.*

@Tigerex966

4 жыл бұрын

If you are a believer you are saved, if you are not, you are not saved period. No man made doctrine of OSAS, or eternal security is needed, just bible. It is really that simple. but man wants to create a new manmade label for everything, instead of just stating the obvious, and that can get us in a lot of trouble, many are treating osas as an excuse to sin and likewise.

@sweetmullet7320

4 жыл бұрын

@Tigerex966 Using words like Trinity, hypostatic union or eternal security merely provide a summary for deep biblical truth derived from studying the scriptures. It’s not man made it’s God made.

@dillon6428

4 жыл бұрын

@@sweetmullet7320 I never had a mullet, but I agree whole heartily with your answers.

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

Most Christians don't know what saved means!!OSAS =bible warped heresy from Satan for gullible bible dummies

Wow, this was when remnant radio was super cool.

There is no such thing as being saved then lost. Once saved you're sealed by the holy spirit until the day of redemption. Even if we are faithless he remains faithful for he cannot deny himself (2 Timothy 2:13).

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

Most Christians don't know what saved means!!

@Darthrocker06

6 ай бұрын

@@bobreese4807 a lot of people make it sound harder than it really is. Getting saved is very simple.

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

@@Darthrocker06 Not according to bible. Like I posted, You don't know what saved means. Have you even read the whole new testament ONCE? The road is narrow, Look at Phil 2:12. FIVE of the 7 churches in Revelation were messed up. Look at Paul in 1 Cor 9:27. You must be a victim of an inept pastor or bible teacher...like most are.

@Darthrocker06

6 ай бұрын

@@bobreese4807 If you can't tell the difference between faith and works, then you're the one with the problem, not me.

@bobreese4807

6 ай бұрын

@@Darthrocker06 Yep. You still don't know what "saved" means

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. And persevere to the end... for if we've repented completely and met the Lord/received His heart --- we must remain repentant.

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

Work out not work for.

@abideintheWord

2 жыл бұрын

Praise the Lord. Yes we must KEEP believing, KEEP repenting. Do the works we did at first as Jesus says in Revelation lest we lose our FIRST LOVE!

@ttff-bd2yf

Жыл бұрын

So you repent for everyone of your sins?

@Godisgood137

Жыл бұрын

So here’s a free perfect gift but to keep this gift you must work your whole life or I’ll take it away… makes great sense mate

@ExactAeration

Жыл бұрын

Book of James barely made it into the New Testament....

I may have missed it but I don’t recall eternal security defined from the outset which would have been helpful.

@JimiSurvivor

2 жыл бұрын

It is a simple concept. Once an individual is saved he will remain in that even if he should go back into the world and live perpetually in sin and even if he should abandon the Faith to follow another religion or another god.

@selectamark

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor I understand the concept myself. It's just helpful to define terms from the outset so that it is clear. I don't agree with the latter part of your definition regarding other religions. However, we can agree to disagree. The bible gives no example of such a thing.

@selectamark

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor Bro, don't waste my time apostates are just that. They are not saved individuals if they were they would not have departed! 1 John 2;19. You can't believe anything and expect to be eternally secure. Here's a better definition: Eternal security means that once a person has undergone the real experience of salvation, has undergone a true regenerational experience, that person cannot lose his salvation, either by committing a specific sin, or by ceasing to believe. That which keeps the believer safe and secure is the work of the Holy Spirit and the work of God on his behalf, not his own works. That is the basic meaning of eternal security. Shalom!

@justchilling704

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor That’s not eternal salvation, that’s trust proving you never loved God, or that you’re extremely backsliden like Solomon.

@JimiSurvivor

2 жыл бұрын

@@justchilling704 All orthodox Christians for the first 1600 years rejected unconditional eternal salvation. I suppose all of them "never loved God" and were "extremely backsliden like Solomon" If what you say is true then the Apostles utterly failed in passing the gospel to even to the first generation that succeeded them. Tell me what have I said leads you to slander me by saying I am a womanizer and an idolator like Solomon? Did God give you a place on the White Throne where you can see into the hearts of men and judge the "thoughts and intents of their hearts?" Do you not know that you yourself will have to give an account of every word you speak at the last Judgment? Like many you naively make OSAS to be the central truth of all even though no ancient creed, or confession ever included it as an essential article of faith.

Well if you truly love God with all your heart,mind, and soul and love your neighbor as yourself you will have works which shows true salvation because when you love someone you want to do something for them

Shoutout to Robert Barclay the great Quaker Theologian "First we may call this doctrine(Calvinism) a novelty, seeing that for the first four hundred years after christ there is no mention of it. The first foundations for it were in the writings of Augustine, who, in his warring against Pelagius, let fall some expressions which some have unhappily picked up to the establishment of this error."

They ask this man as if he knows the answers. Read Ezekiel 18 , you can turn away from righteousness, and die in your sins!

@abideintheWord

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. I just gave this to a guy recently and he said that just means that he would die physically but it has nothing to do at all with spiritual death. I was thinking WHAT? For one, last time I checked we all will die physically, and two, would someone ever get that by just plainly reading the text? No. I’m posting up videos on my channel to work through contradictions like this and methodically go through to see if the things they are asserting are true. Keep fighting for the faith brother!

@awakeandfearless4143

3 жыл бұрын

You realize eternal security doesn’t necessarily apply to all dispensations...? That’s the biggest mistake people make. Things different are not the same. The old covenant is not the new. Read the Bible in proper context.

@caroleimani9754

3 жыл бұрын

Ezekiel 18 is Old Testament/Old Covenant. It does not necessarily apply to the present...

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

read ezekiel 36:25-27 the old covenant relied on men the new covenant relies on the Holy Spirit in you

6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:6 | ESV Also Leighton butchered 1 Corinthians 3:15. It’s not talking about a backsliding Christian, it’s talking about someone who teaches the Word of God. Paul says he laid the foundation and someone else builds on it. Clearly talking about someone who’s a teacher and they will receive a reward if they taught the Word of God correctly.

@Mike65809

Жыл бұрын

Yes and in that case it was Apollos.

This is not a discussion but this person preaching.

What about the sabbath is it Saturday or Sunday if it’s Saturday and was changed to Sunday are we lost snd lose salvation because we went by mans law rather than Gods law . How does it affect our salvation

The gifts of salvation are forgiveness and eternal life from the moment of new birth. By definition, eternal life cannot be lost.

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

Matt 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 ¶ So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

@greggpowers2021

3 жыл бұрын

Unscriptural.

@Johnherlihy1

3 жыл бұрын

Over and over in the book of Revelation it says TO THE ONE WHO OVERCOMES......... It is talking to Christians, and if they do not overcome (which many do not), they will have their name blotted out of the book of life. To say such is not true is to twist the clear meaning of hundreds of scriptures!

@billerickson5604

2 жыл бұрын

We dont have eternal life , eternal life is in the Son. We only possess it as we are IN CHRIST. whoever believes in the Son HAS eternal life. Stop believing in the Son , stop possessing eternal life. Eternal life is still eternal , thats not the issue , its whether or not we presently possess it .

Check out Dan Corner on KZread..he has many videos packed with the true gospel destroying OSAS..

Goodness I wish I could be in on this conversation. I think that Hebrews six chapter has to do with moving on from the fundamentals of getting saved to maturing in your walk.

A son of God is born again from above is so by the will and grace of God alone and it is impossible for the self will of man chosen for salvation through his self will to reject God's Sovereighn decree. No more than can a Prophet deny his election, even as rebellious as Jonah was.

I'm not a Calvinist. But, I'm more on the side of; "Once saved always saved."

@jess1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keepitoriginalministry 👎👎

@jess1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keepitoriginalministry I just see it more that way; with my salvation and other people in my life... I'm not at all saying OSAS is Biblical. But, myself personally it's hard to think that someone could just walk away from Him. I could never walk away from my Saviour. Some people I personally know have "walked away." But, I truly think they were never saved, especially the way I hear them talk about it... I also see a lot of people who "walked away" come back after a season in their life.

@JimiSurvivor

3 жыл бұрын

If either Calvinism or OSAS came from the Apostles why did the generations that succeeded them reject BOTH views? The Ante-Nicene fathers believed and taught libertarian free will and foreknowledge of human choices rather than absolute determinism to salvation or damnation.

@timward3142

2 жыл бұрын

JessLovesJesus I´m on the side of Why do people supposedly need to be "saved" in the first place? And just exactly what is it that they supposedly need to be saved FROM?

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimiSurvivor Look at Romans 8:30. Those that are called are justified and glorified. I think many that reject eternal security don't grasp the new birth/regeneration and are in the flesh deep down trying to Merritt and be "co-savior" with Christ. It's all God.

OSAS is not a discussion... it is a BASIC biblical TRUTH. Without it... there is no salvation

@timothyseals3791

2 жыл бұрын

Well that is not correct. So many opinions, but no facts.

@user-mm7sf1xs9n

3 ай бұрын

"Once Saved Always Saved" is a demonic lie. If true, then Jesus would not have needed to breathe the Holy Spirit on Peter and others to "forgive" or to "not forgive" sin. Why forgive sin after Jesus was crucified unless it needed to be done? Don't take a few quotes that support your argument, and then leave out the other things Jesus said. Salvation requires belief, but that is not all. Belief with sin will lead you straight to Hell. Jesus said it. I have put together the main points to salvation, taken from Jesus, Peter, Paul and John. These are their words, not mine. I follow what they said, not what humans on Earth claim they said. Therefore, do not rely on my observations either. Read, study, and become informed. Jesus mentioned that ignorance is not an excuse. 1 Be Baptized. When John baptized the people, they came to him at the Jordan River (Matthew 3:5-6). He also baptized in Aenon “because there was much water there” (John 3:23). 2. The Eucharist and Holy Communion. This is one where many will simply not do, and I think Jesus said it plain enough: John 6:53-58 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” At the last supper, Jesus commanded his follows to do this "in remembrance of him." Luke: 22:18-20 “And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood." How many of you are doing this? If not, why not? This is part of the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church mass service. 3. Obey The Commandments. At the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said he came to fulfill the commandments. This means "Once Saved Always Saved" is logically impossible. Yes, he died on the cross for your sins, but that was for original sin, not forward sins. For that, Jesus created repentance, where you come to Him and pray for forgiveness. Do not be confused. You cannot break the commandments and expect to enter the narrow gate unless you have repented and sought forgiveness for these later sins. I've heard it preached by persons that the crucifixion covered all sins - while true in a generic way, due to Christ's death, it does not follow that you can lead a sinful life without repentance. Jesus said the "wages of sin is death." The Catholic Church (and Orthodox too) trace their lineage to Peter. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 3:19 -“Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.” Again, what did Jesus say: John: 11:21-23. Catholic and Orthodox priests can forgive sins on Earth: “Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” What Jesus said here proves that "Once Saved Always Saved" is simply wrong. There would be no need to have priests forgive sins after His death if you were already forgiven by His crucifixion. Jesus knew we would sin again - so He put into place a procedure to follow. Through the sacrament of confession, you appear before a priest, seek forgiveness, express sorrow, and your soul is returned to a state of grace. You could pray directly to Jesus himself. The part that gets me is that we won't know until the day of judgment if that sin was forgiven. We'll know now through a priest, and with a sincere confession, are very likely to forgive you now. 4. Forgive Enemies And Persons Of Wrongdoing. Mark 11:25: “And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” This is the only place in the Bible where it commands that you "stand." I think this is to show how serious it is. Again, at a Catholic mass, we are told to stand when forgiving our enemies. I can only speak for the Catholic mass rituals, so maybe others do these things. The question I have for you is this: Jesus founded the Catholic Church, so why not belong to His church? Don't let the evil acts by criminal priests destroy your faith either. Evil men do evil things. That doesn't change God's message.

What does He mean when He will spit the luke warm ones from His mouth? Can a saved person become complacent and stay lukewarm? Is that verse about Salvation at all? Or what about John 15:3-6

@living4ever

2 жыл бұрын

John 15:3-6 is definitely a warning about the possibility of losing salvation if you don't remain in Jesus and obey his teaching!

Thank you for sharing this. I started hearing that we could lose our salvation. Doug Batchelor was saying that verse, we must endure until the end to be saved. It sounds like we have to keep being good to be saved. There are other scripture that seems to point to the possibility to lose salvation. I think of Judas. He went out and preached and did miracles and the other disciples obviously were totally fooled by him, but, Jesus knew his root. He said he was a devil from the beginning. He was not truly saved.

Comparing Peter denying Christ with his lips in a moment of fearing for his own life and a person who has wilfully abandoned the faith because they no longer want to live as a believer is NOT a legitimate comparison and seems rather dishonest. As if Dr. Flowers isn't smart enough to know this. And at what point a person loses their salvation is based upon when they stopped believing. At that very moment is when they forfeited their salvation.

@johntrevett2944

3 жыл бұрын

True faith can't go into unbelief. The people that even claim this i believe are in the flesh and don't grasp the new birth/regeneration.

@thirdplace3973

2 жыл бұрын

"Saved" is a very poor term to use in the first place, the Bible almost never used it in the context of "going to heaven when you die", that word in English is used for Justification, Sanctification, and future Glorification. A person is Justified (saved from Hell) at the moment of their belief when they receive the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13 says this) and they are born again by the Spirit, baptized into the body of Christ. This is a work of God, a new birth, a new creation. A person cannot be uncreated in their new birth. You don't have less merit in the future than you did at the moment of your new birth, we always will have the same merit to be Justified which is ZERO merit. It's always by grace, a free gift of God.

@tieskedh

2 жыл бұрын

@@thirdplace3973 I 100% agree: when we truly belief, actions will follow. We will pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness (1 Tim 6:11-12). Therefor, James can say in James 2:24: You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

The problem with the once saved always saved, eternal security is that they are all derived from the Calvinist TULIP P - Stands for Perseverance of the Saints Calvinism teaches that the Elect cannot lose their salvation. Because salvation is the work of God the Father; Jesus Christ, the Savior; and the Holy Spirit, it cannot be thwarted. None whom God has called will be lost, they are eternally secure. This view fails to present the original understanding of Apostolic teachings held by those who were taught the whole council of God’s Word. Modern theology tends to fragment basic doctrines that were seen as a package deal without any compromising. Salvation according to what Christ taught was based on obedience to Him, John 3:36 ESV [36] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. There are well over 80 passages of Scripture that states clearly there are conditions to ones salvation and that we as individuals are responsible for remaining on the vine, it is very poor and weak theology to gain converts under false pretences. It is dishonest to present a half baked gospel that ignores all the warnings that saves us from wrath of God. Many of Jesus’s parables are warnings of accountability and that we are to listen to His voice, those who have ears let them hear, those who listen to my voice and obey will have life.

@skytrooper506

4 жыл бұрын

Go to the King James and read that verse. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV: 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. Does God offer salvation or the chance at salvation? Does He offer salvation or probation?

@abideintheWord

3 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I have been pointing out is the hypocrisy of calling Calvin a false teacher but then still holding to one of his main doctrines. And Leighton here says well this is different because he believes in provisionism. That isn’t different at all. All he did was refer to a different doctrine and says it’s different. This doctrine is leading many to hell I am convinced of that my friend. I’m putting up a lot of videos on my channel to try to bring ppl out of this false Calvinist doctrine. God bless!

@abideintheWord

3 жыл бұрын

skytrooper506 well yes but you have to understand what eternal life is. I just actually did a video on this exact topic. Please check it out. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGSpypVqctOve5c.html

@russelljones2305

3 жыл бұрын

Epiousion Apologetics thank you brother, for many years I have been reading the Early Church writings and agree with David Bercott from Scroll Publishing. The first 300 years were consistent with Apostolic teachings and through the influence of Augustine Christian doctrines were turned upside and a destructive path of perverting the Word of God. We have a Augustinian gospel being presented today and the original understanding of Scripture is being shunned and demonised so it will not be believed.

@abideintheWord

3 жыл бұрын

ACROSS divide these... And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him." - Acts 5:32 16 since it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy." 17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's DEEDS, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, - 1 Peter 1:16-17 You see that a person is justified by works and NOT by faith alone. - James 2:24 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, - Revelation 2:26 6 He will render to EACH ONE according to his WORKS: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give ETERNAL LIFE; 8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. - Romans 2:6-8

Also, as far as repentance goes, is there some kind of list or schedule concerning this?? I have a Christian Facebook friend from Africa who tries to make a point of repenting (it seems like) about 24 hours a day. I told him that if I thought about my sins all the time, it would take my focus off the Lord, and put the focus on myself. He seems like he needs to do this to "stay saved." (according to him). Is there any balance in this??

@wishyouthebest9222

3 жыл бұрын

I do it once a week but I can't recall hearing about a mandated schedule or something like that. Of course I do think much more about my sins, like you described, but a timeout with the LORD for repentence is a blessing wich I would recommend to you.

@larjam3866

3 жыл бұрын

@@wishyouthebest9222 His mercy is new every morning. I ask every morning for his forgiveness and every time he tells me my sins have been forgiven.

@wishyouthebest9222

3 жыл бұрын

@@larjam3866 One of my daily prayers is the LORDs prayers, in wich we ask for forgivness everyday but I meant it is good to have an appointment with our FATHER where we can focus and reflect on what actually went wrong in the past week so we might know what to ask for of the HOLY SPIRIT that HE might guide us through.

@wishyouthebest9222

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbauerle7153 I agree. GOD asked Adam and Eve to stay away from the tree of knowledge, wich first seemed to be something HE shouldn't have asked because it appeared to be something they couldn't resist. Sometimes it will remain a mystery how GOD acts to accomplish a higher purpose but generally I affirm your point of view. JESUS in the end has proven what you said. We don't "stay saved" through repentance, sounds somehow like legalism. It is an act to allign our will to our FATHER in heaven. I look at it like a restart from a dysfunctional computer (virus = sin).

Thanks

Scriptures that stand against Osas. Part 1. Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. 2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. The New Testament was being written at this time, but they were still preaching and teaching from the Old Testament, and those were the only scriptures that Timothy could have learned from as a child. Exo 32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Exo 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. Exo 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? Mat 13:3-23, Mat 25:1-46 - Mar 4:3-20 - Luk 8:5-15 , Luk 13:23-30. The sower, 3 of the casting of the Word of God began to grow, they started the race but 2 of those casting did not endure unto the end. Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Those that fail to bring forth good fruit like the seed in Luk 8:14 are subject to John 15:1-6.

“Saving” Faith. Where is scripture. Adjectives are a human categories.

@abideintheWord

3 жыл бұрын

Tell you what. I heard more man made terms and adjectives not found in the Bible in this than actual bible verses. Very frustrating to hear ppl just parrot all these man made terms instead of just reading the Bible plainly.

@brando3342

3 жыл бұрын

@Brad Brown In the scriptures, when it mentions being "saved", it is a three fold term. This means "Saved, being saved, and will be saved". So, you can be saved in an instant, or point in time. You can also be in a process of growing in your faith or being "saved", I would equate this to a process of sanctification through repentance and in the end you can "be saved" and spend eternity with God. These all can happen under the one saying "you will be 'saved' ".

@abideintheWord

3 жыл бұрын

Brando yes exactly. This is what people fail to realize is that salvation is not just a one time event and that’s it. You can be saved at a point in time for sure (ie being radically born again into a new creation). However, then the scriptures are clear you must be baptized to be saved in several parts, then you must grow in holiness and cooperate with the Holy Spirit in sanctification and continue to endure and believe God to the end. In this way you are continuing TO BE saved. Then if we keep walking with Christ we will be resurrected and at judgement day we will be saved from judgement if we are still going to be in Christ on that day. It’s a far cry from what is preached in most churches today.

If you truly seek with all your heart you will find Jesus and truth and that’s coming from someone who denounced and started getting into spirituality and witchcraft but was truly seeking with all my heart Jesus revealed himself to me but that is up to each and everyone of us to make that choice to seek him once he has called you

Eternal security applies only to eternal life. Once eternal, always eternal. I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.

1st you're condemned to hell. 2nd you're justified and saved from hell. 3rd you sinned and God condemned you to hell again. Lol this is comical. You're either saved and protected forever or God ain't saving nobody!!!!

Salvation is a gift that has conditions. To receive, we must believe and repent. We are familiar with Charitable Trusts. These have conditions that must be met to receive the service or money. We must stop calling the conditions of salvation a " work," or as something, "earned." The recipient of the benefits of a charitable trust does not perform a "work," but the recipients do satisfy the requirements of the Trust. The recepients MUST qualify. We qualify, when we satisfy the requirements: those are, believe and repent.

Faith is expressed in action. When I drive over a bridge, that action demonstrates my faith that the bridge will stand, that it will not collapse into the river. There is a difference between believing a concept, and faith in a concept. I believe bridges are built to allow me to cross the river. I have faith I can cross the river via the bridge and it will hold.

It's not a controversy. It's simply understanding grace. It's preposterous to think I could affect the permanence of God's salvation when I did nothing to obtain it in the first place.

@timothyseals3791

2 жыл бұрын

You mean you did not put your faith in God yet?

@loremaster234

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothyseals3791 I think it is clear that Robert has put His faith in Christ because if not he probably wouldn't be here. What he most likely means is that he didn't *WORK* for his salvation or do anything to, as he said, obtain it. Which implies that he can add to God's grace. Rather, he had faith in Christ, and thus was saved. Faith is not a work.

@timothyseals3791

2 жыл бұрын

@@loremaster234 if faith is not a work, then what is it?

2 Thessalonians 2:13 KJVS [13] But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

@JimiSurvivor

3 жыл бұрын

Paul Smith The Jews were chosen for salvation too but they fell from their calling because of unbelief. The Apostle Paul warns that the same thing could happen to us: 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Romans 11:21-22)

Every radio preacher I know of has a sermon on Matthew 7:23 from the perspective of "You may think that you're saved, but you're not, really ", which makes salvation a crapshoot whose outcome cannot be relied upon. You may think you're saved, but if you ever do a bad thing or think a bad thought, or fail to do a good thing, you're not saved anymore more; you've lost your salvation and you can't get it back. Hebrews 6:4-8. And even if you do live a perfectly sinless life, Jesus may still laugh in your face and send you to hell. I don't need to be reminded of the reasons for despair. You go ahead without me.

It is nonsensical to think that one can fall away from the faith if they never had the faith to begin with. It's like saying I am no longer a pilot, never having been a pilot to begin with. The OT is the gospel in type, and there are countless stories of Israel's falling away and need for Gods mercy, causeing them to return from their transgressions.

Religious people always see those whom “Christ never knew” as sinners who sinned to much. They never see them simply as religious people, WHOM CHRIST NEVER KNEW.

Ephesians 4:5 (KJV) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

This is tough subject matter. I wonder if there is a definitive final answer out there anywhere?? It seems like theologians go back and forth...

What about all the warnings versus addressed to believers?

The parable of the sower seems to cover the different types of heart soil that receive the seed of the word - only the heart that is prepared can be considered saved. (Mat 13, Mark 4, Luke 8) In Isa 55:10-11 the purpose of this seed sowing is to produce fruit - more seed for the sower and bread for the eater. In 2 Cor 9, Paul correlates this as the saints providing for other saints, resulting in prayers and thanksgiving to God. It is also worth noting that in the case of Cornelius, it was his prayers & almsgiving that caught the attention of God. (Acts 10:4) In the parable of the talents (Mat 24:14-30) the servant who received 1 talent and hid it is the same unprofitable servant who not only loses his reward, but is cast into outer darkness. The unprofitable servant therefore does not enter into the kingdom. (2 Pet 1:1-11) Matthew 7:20 (KJV) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

It was or is saying, if it were possible, but it's not . If it were possible to loose it .

Number one rule of the Bible people forget or neglect: Scriptures are written for all believers, not the world at large, least we forget that there are warnings in the Scriptures for the believers. How sad that is neglected. Excellent video.

Do you Remnant Radio guys know anyone who preaches/teaches life Leighton Flowers, but does not talk about Calvinism most of the time?

What a great show guys!!!

I might have said this before, but what does it mean to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling?? I used to think it meant try to avoid sin.

@dedios03

3 жыл бұрын

The apostle Paul used a lot of Old Testament and psalms to bring about certain points. In the psalms it tells you. Psalms 2:11 ...Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. As you can see it's almost like direct qoute from psalms. Can you really imagine the apostle Paul who wrote throughout romance about not working for your salvation but simply believing on the one that justifies the ungodly and then saying in another verse work for your salvation? All he is simply saying is how you should serve the Lord in your salvation in your salvationBy serving the Lord with reverence and rejoicing for what he has done for youWe don't work for salvation but we work out what's in outwardlyBy trusting and walking with the Lord

@NewBornNickumz

Жыл бұрын

Working out what God has and is putting inside of you. All of the fruit of the spirit and so forth.

@reddog9484

Жыл бұрын

Read the beginning of the chapter. They were told to let nothing be done through strife and vain glory and to be of one accord and mind in verse 2 and 3. Then Christ is given as an example of how to serve in humility, vs 5-8. Then they were asked to work out their deliverance/salvation vs12 and again reminded to to all things without murmuring and disputes to be blameless vs 15-16. It's not about being born again or 'keeping' salvation. There was pride and disputing that they needed to be deliverance from. People , and we all do it from one degree to another, assume that salvation, justification, and baptism, election, have one size fits all definitions, but there are nuances to them according to context. Such as Christ had a baptism into the judgment of the Father at the cross. There is a Baptism of the Spirit into the body of Christ, there is a Baptism of fire into hell, and water baptism. Paul speaks of justification by faith before God, while James speaks of justification before man by works. Lastly another passage people confuse is in I Corinthians 15, where people are said to believe in vain and supposedly lose their salvation. But the context is that the believer has believed in vain if and only IF Christ has not risen from the dead. As we know He arose from the dead, so they had not believed in vain, I Corinthians 15:2, 12-20.

How can regeneration be conditional???

He said that Adam and Eve were not perfect while in Heaven? How? Where is that scriptural? They had Freewill and Satan temps... That does not mean they were not perfect. They were in Glory with God in heaven. Yet we see they were separated from God by sin. Please help me understand if anyone can add to this claim he made around 57:00-59:30. I tend to find scripture quite clear on this issue and the denominations have added their interpretation.

Does God love those He will punish for eternity? Will He love them in that moment (for eternity)? Or does He cease to love them in so to pore out His wrath on them?

Why would Paul be so concerned about people abandoning the faith if the people abandoning the faith never really had it. It doesn’t make sense.

If you have to have faith in order to be saved, isn’t this a work? So we must “do” something to be saved. Or if it’s a free gift- we have to receive it. In this case The saving still depends on our action of accepting it and living it. We all live in different degrees of obedience and in a sense still need saving as long as we are alive. However, when we were baptized we died with Christ and were made alive in Christ. Eternal life has already begun. Unfortunately my flesh keeps getting in the way of enjoying this reality. I never feel good enough. The only time I feel free is when I focus on the gospel- that Jesus died for me. It’s like I got to get reborn every morning! It feels like a process, not a one time event- I’m being saved, and transformed.

@living4ever

2 жыл бұрын

You are continuing to be saved and you shall be saved IF you endure till the end. The bible indicates that we have not fully attained salvation yet. Matthew 24:13 says, “But he who endures till the end shall be saved.” Our salvation has not been completed yet. When we believe in Jesus and come to faith in him, we start the salvation process. We are in the process of BEING SAVED. The book of Acts refers to new converts as those who are “BEING SAVED.” Acts 2:47 says, “….the Lord added to the church daily those who were BEING SAVED.” 1 Corinthians 1:18, “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are BEING SAVED it is the power of God.” 2 Corinthians 2:15, “For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are BEING SAVED and among those who are perishing.” Paul explains that we have already been justified by the blood of Jesus, but our salvation from wrath has not yet happened. Romans 5:9-10, “Much more then, having now been justified by his blood, we SHALL BE SAVED from the wrath through him. For if we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, having been reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED by his life.” One other thought for you: You can’t receive salvation through your own effort, but you can lose your salvation through no effort.

@rhondarockhound622

2 жыл бұрын

@@living4ever wow, I read that so many times and missed its meaning. 🙏 thanks

@living4ever

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhondarockhound622 You are very welcome!

1) The warning passages in Hebrews only make proper sense when we understand the then soon-coming events of 70AD. 2) Paul spoke of the Galatians as falling from grace. He never said falling from or losing salvation.

What would one think about Peter, if all you knew about him was his cursing while denying Christ?

I meant to say LIKE Leighton Flowers..