My take on this topic is: You only have one life, and it's already too short. Embrace whatever culture you like. One day the whole world will be just a big cultural playground.

Ben Shapiro: rap isn't music Ben Shapiro: hold my beer

@do_yohomework

5 ай бұрын

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Everything seems like an over reaction to everything. Post post modernism i guess, just constant refection, constant regret, and over thining every little thing. Depressingly if you hear kids, even adults talk today. Everything is burried under 50 layers of irony, or is said through weird lenses/ filters. There's a lack of genuine expression, and a fear to be genuine. Liking something, and being passionate seems to be regarded as cringe. That mindset is kind of why i learned to appreciate nu metal, it's pretty honest about what it is. Its edgy as hell, but they're having a hell of a time. Anime as well, you can just feel the honesty, and soul pit into it for the most part. I'm guessing that's a huge part of the draw subconsciously, these two things particularly don't feel like they're made by commitee.

@dasein0

5 ай бұрын

Falta de expresión genuina como consecuencia del miedo a ser genuino, me parece muy interesante tu comentario y estoy totalmente de acuerdo.

Haven't seen one of your videos in a while, not since you were looking at metal subgenres. Glad to see you're still making great stuff!

@whatsinameme5258

5 ай бұрын

I never really stopped talking about metal genres, but glad to you have you back anyway, haha

"When everything is cringe, only the one who points it out is really cringe"

its rebellion, rebellion against rebellion, rebellion agaisnt the concept of rebellion, its just a search of purpose(and booty)

I don’t know about that… cultural cringe, and the worldwide spread of it, seems to be a very postmodern phenomenon

@whatsinameme5258

5 ай бұрын

Are you objecting to me saying that culture IS cultural cringe? It very well may be a post-modern phenomenon. Maybe culture wasn't always cultural cringe, but it is now.

@MortuusMachina

5 ай бұрын

@@whatsinameme5258 Traditional native cultures around the world prior to postmodernism I’d say are natural developments. Someone in 18th Century England would’ve likely never conceived of adopting Japanese culture as his own in spite of his original culture. I’m basically saying that cultural cringe is an entirely recent phenomenon only possible in the post-modern era. What caused this sense of cultural cringe that motivates its people to seek out and adopt other, often alien cultures as their own is a question that I’m curious to answer

@swagmund_freud6669

4 ай бұрын

Ok hear me out bro hear me out. Sorry about the essay lol I didn't take my ADHD meds today. Anyways I think this is because most folk traditions died with globalization. So folk traditions, I'm mostly a music guy so I know most about it in music. Basically, you'd have some broke ass Appalachian coal miner write a banger, or some slave in Missouri, in the 1800s. And they'd teach it to someone else, and maybe someone else would hear them play it, but only remember parts of it, they'd learn it by ear and learn it "wrong", but through this they would create a new original work that was similar - but not identical to the original. These traditions go crazy far back as well. The song "Oh Death" (my favorite version is by Doc Boggs), the earliest version of it goes back to the 1600s. A lot of African American spirituals have uncanny resemblances to west African folk songs - and those spirituals became jazz and the blues and gospel - which later became RnB and rock and then even later hip-hop or metal. Obviously the folk tradition was long broken by then. I'm not even talking specifically about folk music, but just the traditional layout. A lot of modern indie music has way more in common with folk traditions than a lot of mainstream "folk/country" music these days. I was talking to my Blackfoot teacher (an indigenous language in Alberta and Montana). She was telling us about this homeless blackfoot lady who is her friend, 80 years old, and this woman would always be singing old Blackfoot folk songs taught to her by her grandmother. So like this lady was born in the 1940s, and her grandmother who must have been born in the 1800s, taught her Blackfoot songs that her great-grandmother must have taught her. The way the blackfoot use music is way different from western culture, it's not a product you consume it's a cultural artifact that you need to handle with the utmost respect and reverence. I asked my teacher if anyone had ever recorded her friend's singing because I wanted to try to record it, so it didn't get lost like so much else of the Blackfoot culture. Similar ideas existed all around the world. It wasn't just music, it was also art and theatre and poetry and literature and mythology. Folk traditions created all the authentic artistic styles we see today. However this was overtaken by pop culture in the 1950s, which took folk culture and raped it and gentrified it and fucked it over. It kept existing, and new folk cultures kept popping up, but then they would get popularized and lose their folk qualities that made them good. Or they weren't profitable enough and so slowly faded into obscurity except for a few hyperobsessed fans on the internet. There are some things about folk traditions however that modern and post-modern society would not allow to thrive and slowly be smothered to death: 1. Folk traditions are built on copyright violations. Like do you understand how many Irish folk songs have the chords G-C-D? It's literally like half of them. Lyrics get stolen all the time. Listen to all the different versions of house of the rising sun, not just the one by the Animals, but the one by Led Belly, Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie. All very different but they are the same song. Sampling in hip-hop worked similarly. 2. Folk traditions are highly improvisational (with all the beauty and sloppiness that comes with it). They are rarely professional and therefore lack the polish that most pop media has. The mistakes are part of the art. 3. They have a history that is rich, complex, often distasteful in some ways to modern sensibilities. A song like house of the rising sun, to use the same example, like man that song is fucked. It's about a hooker who gets trapped by a drunkard pimp in New Orleans - originally. Or its about the son of a drunkard, depends on the version. But it's a heavy topic. Pop culture doesn't like that. Sure, there was a brief era in the 60s where stuff like that could get popular for complex reasons, but that was a fluke, post-modernism coming into its own. Nowadays people would rather hear Taylor Swift. No history, no baggage, just melody and notes and absolutely no soul. 4. Folk culture fucking hates idol worship. You can't make celebrities out of folk culture because the whole point is that their supposed to unexceptional people make art for other people like them. There is no appealing image to be sold here. 5. Folk culture is so earnest. It is entirely made out of love for culture and art. The only reason we ever got to hear "house of the rising sun", a song written over 100 years ago before recorded music was common, is because people loved that song. People put their earnest feelings in and didn't care much to think about what a potential consumer demographic would get out of it. The consumer demographic was fundamentally just the artist, and maybe their friends and family. Most based musical styles started out essentially as folk traditions, even in the post-modern era. Stuff like Hip-hop, which in its very early days had strong folky traditions to it, like being mainly party music for an group of people who were mostly outsiders and part of the underclass of black Americans, it was highly improvisational. Graffiti is also folk culture (and I unironically think it should be legalized). Graffiti is IMO the BEST form of art and it's not even close. Indie music is very much steeped in folk traditions. On the exact opposite end of this we get stuff like anime, which is an import of western culture that got imported to the west once again by Japan. No folk tradition of animation existed in Japan before this. That was all developed in the west, mostly. Not to say there isn't good anime, sure a folk culture has definitely developed around it but anime in its most popular and profitable form is so far removed from folk culture that it has lost EVERYTHING unique about it. It has become hyperstylized. Looking at early animes, they didn't look exactly like "anime characters" do today, they looked like the animators were doing a much more creative and unique approach and didn't rely on tropes because they had no tropes to rely on. But now its lost a lot of that touch. Mainstream hip hop and rock lost it too. It briefly returned in the 90s for both of them, but that was ultimately the final gasp of the folk culture as a mainstream success. When was the last time a genre with this system blew up in the mainstream? IDK maybe soundcloud rap? That was like a decade ago though and that genre has lost its folkiness to it pretty substantially. @@MortuusMachina

@tuningtunetuningtuningfunny

7 күн бұрын

@@MortuusMachina Globalism and the internet caused this. If people were barred off it would cause most Nations to have mold their own culture out of necessity. Even Japan is not immune to this considering their work culture in modern times and the media. I believe also that since Japan is on paper a part of the West with NATO and the relations with those said Western countries makes them more susceptible to having media and news articles representing the ideals of what other Western countries values (or at least what the government and ruling class does) It does help that Japan does not have a very good English teaching system which divides Japan away from the polarization we have here in the west but they are not immune unfortunately. It just takes longer for it to hit.

@tuningtunetuningtuningfunny

7 күн бұрын

Globalism and the internet caused this. If people were barred off it would cause most Nations to have mold their own culture out of necessity. Even Japan is not immune to this considering their work culture in modern times and the media. I believe also that since Japan is on paper a part of the West with NATO and the relations with those said Western countries makes them more susceptible to having media and news articles representing the ideals of what other Western countries values (or at least what the government and ruling class does) It does help that Japan does not have a very good English teaching system which protects the citizens from the polarization we have here in the west but they are not immune unfortunately. It just takes longer for it to hit.

Ahh time to dump my cultural cringe load on the comments. When I was in high school (2019-2022) most of the kids in my school were either White or Chinese. My ancestors were mainly Ukrainian and Irish, but the most those cultures influenced my upbringing was eating Ukrainian food, and listening to Irish folk music with my dad like the Pogues and Van Morrison. I guess the local accent I speak with is also pretty Irish-influenced in some subtle ways (I could go into it as a linguistics nerd but it's not important) - but it's also pretty influenced by African American English too, at least as much (there are basically no African Americans here - African immigrants, yes, but rarely are they African American). I live in Canada, which is one of the most indistinct cultures on the planet, making it even worse. With your video on incelcore, while I think a lot of it is misogynistic, I appreciate how earnest that genre is, and honestly it sounds pretty damn good. But what struck me was that the people making it felt like me. I listen to a lot of music where the creator doesn't feel like they are me, and we wouldn't really get eachother. I'm fine with that in music, but it was interesting to finally see something that I felt represented me so well. AND I'M A WHITE CANADIAN GUY? Like I'm the demographic that media is supposedly solely catering to all the time. I'm not even an incel. I'm a socialist bisexual and (not to brag) I literally had sex this morning. It just felt like what the guys I would know at school would make. Everyone in my school adopted some cultural cringe I feel in high school. Most kids either adopted Japanese or African American culture too, but with the added benefit of Korean culture and the cringeworthy fake-ass cowboy culture that exists in Alberta. I took a different route, because I was #NotLikeOtherGirls. I got really into reggae music in grade 10 and so I ended up imitating a lot of Jamaican culture, and I was a little annoyed when I saw all these memes about how cringe Toronto people are because they use Jamaican slang a lot - like bro I was doing it before it was cool WTF. I went through a phase of adopting Latin American culture as well. In both cases it was because I liked the music from those countries, but found it awkward to actually run into someone from those cultures because they didn't get why I would be so interested in their culture which to them seems mundane. Nowadays I tend to appropriate more native American culture, this happened sorta just by coincidence since my girlfriend is half-Ojibwe, but she has her own sort of cultural cringe that I don't wanna get into with how much Indigenous culture has been suppressed and how she was raised primarily by her white father and Filipina step-mother. One of my best friends in High School went through a phase where he, a blonde haired-blue eyed white dude, wanted to convert to Islam. I also appropriate cultures from the past a lot. The 60s, the 90s, punk rock culture, old socialist/anarchist stuff. I've been trying to embrace the culture I actually have the most authentic experience with these days, which is a hard thing to put a name on. It's not "white culture", because like wtf even is that. I have little in common with most Taylor Swift fans. It's definitely not "alternative culture" either, though I like that culture a bit more. The issue is both of them have arbitrary rules and standards, just different ones, and if you don't follow them people ostracize you. I went to a punk show with some of my friends, and I went wearing a bright orange button down shirt that was tucked into dress pants. Like I was dressed like a bisexual dad, not like a punk and someone asked me why I was wearing a button down shirt to a punk show with this weird vitriol to it, like they just didn't understand why someone who dressed like me would come to a punk show. Because apparently to like punk music I have to dye my hair green and put pieces of metal in artificial holes in my face. If people wanna dress that way, cool, but I don't. It's just fashion though. It's whatever.

Very good points and vid.

thank god for the german exchange students

madoka mentioned

Very interesting topic. what lack of superordinent identity does to a mf

Te quiero mucho occulturation

Everything is cringe. Bet