Oliver Stone speaks to my generation who grew up during the 60's and 70's and saw a far different world than the world some are trying to build today. Peace is the only answer. Without peace we're hooped.

@clemsonalum98

2 жыл бұрын

Will never happen. Man will always be man.

@elmarro5016

2 жыл бұрын

If peace is the only answer why doesn't Russia respect that but instead attacks a neutral country who us able to determine where they want to go in the future?

@michaelgnit8476

2 жыл бұрын

@@elmarro5016 The Ukraine military has bunkers built kilometers underground in the Donbass you don't just create those by accident. You don't have 100 thousand troops magically placed along the front lines of the Donbass. And you don't kill Russian speaking Ukrainians and remain silent for years if your really interested in human rights' but in America's world certain nations are entitled to human rights' others are not. America wanted this war with Russia as it's economic world war three already and has congress voted on this, no. Has the UN voted on this no so it's an illegal International economic war. America and the west will never and I repeat never afford the Russian's the same rights' as they profess for themselves ever so why should the Russian bother to respect a nation who disrespects them daily?

@michaelgnit8476

2 жыл бұрын

@@elmarro5016 Let's not forget the US the country you likely back has been at war for 85 percent of their existence. Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen or don't those cultures and people count?

@carlbervin8183

2 жыл бұрын

Sure peace should be the object but a super power with 6,000 nuclear warheads invading a sovereign state in violation of international law is certainly not the way of promoting peace.

The situation with Ukraine at the moment is a very delicate time in world history. One misstep by the players involved and boom, It’s all over. That is why Gorbachev wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons.

@imme12

2 жыл бұрын

The big difference between the nuclear program of US and Russia is that US can push the button as offensive strike whenever if it sees it fit to deter potential threat (including just cyber attack threat). Russia can use its nuclear bombs only in response to a nuclear attack specifically on Russian territory. People need to know this, but many play with the narrative to serve the collective West agenda of demonizing Russia and in particular Putin. His words and statements are purposely portrayed as nuclear threats so people will react emotionally and condemn Russia and Putin the villain.

@imme12

2 жыл бұрын

Actually USSR was trying to negotiate such outcome even before Gorbachev time. One should watch the UN archives to learn great deal of the Western hypocrisy and cynical behavior in the last decades.

@Istanislav1

2 жыл бұрын

К сожалению, США очень нужны враги для возможности коррупции. Это очень выгодный бизнес - война. Ни Россия, ни граждане США ничего не могут делать с этим. Мы можем лишь наблюдать дальнейшую эскалацию вплоть до ядерной войны. Кеннеди убили, уверен, что так же убьют и Трампа, если он сможет стать президентом и изменит курс внешней политики США на поиск иисозданре врагов

@ASTRAGEM

Жыл бұрын

your f.... Gorbachev was a traitor ,ask any Russian, who knows about Geopolitics and Soviet Union and you will find out who the f.... he was for Russians

@anandsamuel1978

Жыл бұрын

@@imme12 you are absolutely right!

Mr Stone is a mountain of information...most of his analysis on the World stage is frightening true...stay strong my friend🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

@vincentmanion7990

11 ай бұрын

You misspelled 'misinformation'

@lnighttrain3804

11 ай бұрын

​@@vincentmanion7990 Not funny😮😮

@BandytaCzasu

10 ай бұрын

More like a mountain of bullshit.

@user-og2bm6hl4l

10 ай бұрын

​@@vincentmanion7990 🤡

Outstanding. Not often you hear an objective, knowledgeable, mature discussion between Americans. Oliver Stone is brilliant.

@ruthokelley5833

2 жыл бұрын

@Wallis The Scot We definitely have different criteria by which we judge people on ‘brilliance!’ We can still have our own opinions, though!

Great man is Mr. Stone.

It's kind of eye-opening & utterly shocking to see that our US govt through our US Foreign Policy has really been the bad guy all along.

@adajames-almano1436

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually common knowledge. Here in South Africa some of us have been aware of it all along. The truth has been hidden from a majority of the US community and the rest of the world. Only on 'alternative media' one could get that, but unfortunately not everyone was aware of those platforms. Sad, but true.

@soko1962

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of 'false flags', why doesn't Stone dig into the Controlled Demolition of ALL three (3) buildings on 9/11 and the multitude of people from Israel and connected to Israeli military intelligence and government up to their necks in this mass murder?

@foodiez

2 жыл бұрын

@@adajames-almano1436 yes I come from a country that was a victim of a US coup. So many people massacred because US didnt like our democratically elected president.

@giannirimondi8561

2 жыл бұрын

K.. zzzz-z,,come erché

@alcoholfree6381

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Stone smokes too much pot? It is hard to listen to a man that supports Putin. Putin is a criminal and serial liar.

I never knew all these things about him. No wonder he is so knowledgeable.

I can feel his frustration. He is right.

Excellent work. Oliver Stone is a legend and truth seeker. I highly recommend his documentary on Ukraine 🇺🇦 “Ukraine on Fire” it show the path that was created to the war we see today.

@nash984954

Жыл бұрын

Stone's documentary laid it all out, the en tire issue over Ukraine back to Crimea and the NATO eastern expansion. Thank you Oliver Stone.

@tnndll4294

Жыл бұрын

Stone supports the socialist regime of venezuela. a russian ally.

Thank you for this interview!

What a lovely surprise, thank you, Michael..I love Oliver Stone❤️

@bradzdanivsky

Жыл бұрын

he made few great movies but he's a dramatist, not a historian.. certainly a putin sycophant.. revolting choice to have on about this topic.

@waterkingdavid

Жыл бұрын

@@bradzdanivsky And you no doubt are an expert!

I hope there are people in US understand how right Mr.Stone is with what he say.He is a man with Know How and Intelligenz a great Person.❤

@mathildestoltz7327

10 ай бұрын

Sure, if you like communists and traitors.

@user-rt9zq8rs9k

7 ай бұрын

What's sad is the majority of Americans have been turned into idiots that are more concerned with " Free Britney !!! "

@Freeworldforever73

7 ай бұрын

No many american people want to understand me Stone. The Truth Is Always hard to accept.

Sorry, Smedley Butler, "War is a Racket."

@user-rt9zq8rs9k

7 ай бұрын

Smedley Butler a TRUE Patriot the government NEVER wants to talk about .

Thank you Oliver for your love of this country and this world. The world should United to take care of the planet!

Thanks for this thoughtful conversation with Oliver Stone. As far as I can tell, you are both remarkably knowledgeable about the world in our lifetimes (post World War II). More power to you, Michael Shermer and the irreplaceable Oliver Stone!

Great Oliver Stone. The best!

These are the last gasps of an empire in decline. Thank God for Oliver stone. Sergei Lavrov was on a long form interview with Al Aribiya recently. Five minutes with him and one has to acknowledge a true giant of diplomacy.

@elatomala1976

2 жыл бұрын

If only they'd allow us to hear what Lavrov and Putin say versus what were told they say!

Excellent interview. I watched Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine in early Feb. Both are very good documentaries.

@user-1mrndslvd8h

2 жыл бұрын

Not good at all.

@sea2959

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-1mrndslvd8h go watch a Spielberg movie then .....

@user-1mrndslvd8h

2 жыл бұрын

@@sea2959 So, if you don't believe Western propaganda, you must absolutely believe Russian propaganda. Well, it's your choice. You'd see that there's no difference between them if you paid attention. You also believe it is OK to destroy a country and murder people. This marks you as a sadist. I'd rather cry while watching a Spielberg film than be in your company.

@newnastyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-1mrndslvd8h can you be more specific? I haven't watched it yet. But the mainstream media coverage is so beyond hypocrisy and self-righteousness I was considering it.

@kniven865

2 жыл бұрын

@Pat M Totally agree. This is a proxy war against Russia being directed from DC. Everytime I hear a US politician or a celebrity stand up and say they care about the Ukrainian people I feel disgusted. The Ukrainian people would have been better served by a negotiated settlement with Russia than a prolonged war which will destroy their homes and livelihood. Biden sending $33B in war effort, that is 1/4 the annual GDP of Ukraine.

So glad that the host got a history lesson that he didn’t expect! 😊😂

@johndelaney2492

10 ай бұрын

True dat 42:53

@klauskinski5969

10 ай бұрын

also only oliver understands the situation in germany.

@scottspencer6899

7 ай бұрын

He went on to write a nasty review for a book which was attacking Oliver's new film on jfk.

@user-rt9zq8rs9k

7 ай бұрын

​@@scottspencer6899the host is a fascist propaganda boy .

Shermer flew his true colors in this one.

This is a great episode. Thanks Michael for bringing in Oliver Stone

Excellent interview. Thank you

Thank you Mr. Stone for the personal risk you take in order to bring us the Truth about Ukraine, Russia, the CIA and the industrial military complex.

What I admire and love the most about Oliver Stone is his passion for truth, fairness, and his abiding ability to look at both sides of an issue. Ppl in the USA have been so steeped in the notion that as a Nation we are always the good ones wearing the white hat, and damn anyone to hell that says otherwise. Anyone willing to take an honest deep dive into our history can easily see this 'good guy' image is for the most part a flat-out lie. In fact, what our *GOVERNMENT* has done is a prime example of ruthless behavior throughout the world and at times has been terroristic in nature. As ppl in general, I do believe we, are generally honest and well-intentioned but, we are just too willing to believe the lies, and frankly, the propaganda we are fed 24/7. We have no business meddling in Ukraine. And we have no business sending billions of dollars to Ukraine either. Without the money and the weapons, Ukraine would return to a neutral status and the bombing and killing would soon end.

@MaddieSchnitzel

Жыл бұрын

It's true. Now Ukraine is becoming indebted to US. Which means USA now owns Ukraine. No neutrality there.

@susanray8811

Жыл бұрын

@@MaddieSchnitzel Yes indeed, but who would want to "own" that cesspool of corruption. We have enough corruption right here in the US. Besides, Zelinsky, in a post on Telegram, said he was building another ... "Home for the Jews." (A major portion of Ukraine was the homeland of the Khazars that converted to Judaism in the 6th Century) I don't doubt that one little bit. It would mean the USA is funding and maybe soon will be fighting another war for Israel.

@SYSM71

Жыл бұрын

The US has business in ukraine: Bioweapon laboratories. See Hunter Biden, Victoria Nuland, etc.

@susanray8811

Жыл бұрын

@SY ... The US government is corrupt and it's not just Biden. It's the *ENTIRE* government. That would include the Republicans and the Trump factions.

@SYSM71

Жыл бұрын

@@susanray8811 You're right. So now we are conspiracy theorists :')

Thank you for the remarkable expertise of the truth. People like Oliver Brown makes world difference

@Tamam_Shud

Жыл бұрын

"Oliver Brown"

@vincentmanion7990

11 ай бұрын

@@Tamam_Shud Russia bot malfunctions....

I can see Stones next screenplay. It's about a film director who thinks he knows everything about geopolitical events and a war starts which thrusts him to move forward to his desired goal. Unfortunately (or fortunatly) he meets a scenario which challenges his assumptions at the end of act 1. Welcome to the real world of story👍

@steeniversen6768

10 ай бұрын

Yes. And we have to be eternally grateful that they are so poor in Nizhny Tagil! :D

@daveated1

9 ай бұрын

Agreed.. where did you think he went wrong? Thx D

@supernovaaust

9 ай бұрын

@@daveated1 The KGB infiltrated universities in the 60s. I would say he picked up the propoganda thought virus there.

@johnmilanmusic7706

Ай бұрын

Stone is headstrong no doubt about it. He has life experience that I can't imagine. 2 tours in Viet Nam wounded twice purple heart. Studied film in college under Scorcese 🤷‍♂️ He's the reason Congress created the AARB for I'm Kennedy assassination. ,etc,etc. yep he's a hot head and he GETS STUFF DONE !!

Yeh Michael like the democracy we created in libeya, where they have a free slave trades now and turn one of the most prosperous country in north Africa into a failed state.

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

Each country has its own history and culture plus many other factors to consider when the US is trying to promote democracy there. Some cases are very successful and some are total failures. Helping people by itself is more an art than a science. I still love the USA though despite its short comings.

@pavkata63

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Libya? Yurik you are Russian I suppose? And you believe what pUtler and his propaganda told you.Libya was a dictatorship ( like Russia ) for 40 years The only prosperous people there ,were qadaffi and his tugs.The stores were empty 32 years ago when I was there.All the oil revenue was stolen by qadaffi and his family.The regular people of Libya were poor and unhappy!

@georgecurly5965

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjeng1 The problem is that this alleged "promotion of democracy" is just a pretext for persuing selfish interest of the US political elites.

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgecurly5965 I heard your frustration and disappointment on democracy here. I can only say that we owe ourselves a duty to make democracy work as it intended to be and never to abandon its ideal principles when it hits obstacles in the process.

Our constant analysis, nearly always critical (not in the best sense) and accusing of other country's policies, actions, and most remarkably, motivations is mind-boggling. Always in our terms, framework. Maybe we should applying the same efforts to US.

@Critical-Thinker895

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe we should look at the history of Russian aggression and say, "I told you so'". Sometimes it's that simple and no detailed analysis is necessary. Stone is a movie maker not a diplomat or geopolitical analyst.

@Critical-Thinker895

2 жыл бұрын

@Pat M Let me make it perfectly clear. This was ALL caused by an old man in Russia who thinks he's back in WW II. NONE of this would have happened if Putin wasn't so greedy for the oil in Donbas area and off the coast of Ukraine. He also needs the ports of Ukraine so he took them. This was NEVER a mission to help the people of Donbas. He is killing civilians in the masses. You are a lost conspiracy theorist who blames the US for everything.

@rawlsrules

2 жыл бұрын

@@Critical-Thinker895 Right: let us not consider the beam in our own eyes. Maybe that is too Christian?

@elatomala1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@rawlsrules more like the logs placed in our eyes by the Government!

@rawlsrules

2 жыл бұрын

@@elatomala1976 So we have to remove them.

Stone's 'Ukraine on Fire' was prescient and a must see documentary on the matter of Russia and Ukraine. Mr. Stone can be idiosyncratic at times, but he has his moments of lucidity and insight, on top of the fact that he has put in the work about the subject matter he speaks. Anyone who doesn't agree with him that the military-industrial complex and Deep State intelligence community are unchecked and out of control is a fool.

@1p6t1gms

2 жыл бұрын

It is almost like a government within a government, and if people are having trouble with the government at the surface level, they most likely will not like any deep one. Military-Industrial Complex.

@encyclopath

2 жыл бұрын

The original documentary Stone’s movie is meant to be conflated with, “Winter on Fire,” is what happened, without the fantastic embellishments, speculations, and deceptainment that are the hallmarks of Stone’s life work.

@vandazetzakrzewska3704

2 жыл бұрын

‘Anyone who doesn’t agree is a fool’ is a different way to say ‘don’t question my opinions’.

@encyclopath

2 жыл бұрын

@@vandazetzakrzewska3704 “everyone’s opinion is equally valid” is the mantra for people who know their own opinion is bullshit.

@meinking22

2 жыл бұрын

@@vandazetzakrzewska3704 Clearly you don't have a grasp or understand the reality of politics in America for the past three decades, at minimum.

A great program and a big thanks to bring in our legendary Mr Oliver Stone!!!, a man seeking truth and has a brain and balls to talk about it!!!

Oliver Stone is a great human being. He is a great filmmaker. I learned so much from his documentary .

@TheArdildo

2 жыл бұрын

He is a joke. Did US bomb Cuba or invade it and annex it? No, they didnt

@catnap387

Жыл бұрын

He is also a putin lover. Ask yourself why putin allowed him to make the documentary?!

Seems to me that people like Oliver Stone and Noam Chomsky are rare islands of sane , rational thinking in this world .

@user-rt9zq8rs9k

7 ай бұрын

And they can't be bought by the fascists

I dont know who to trust any more in the media. Oliver, Imagine a debate on KZread between Biden and Putin and Zelenskyy( Convince Putin to speak English just this once) Take questions from Americans, Russians and Ukrainians Let the people of the world see and hear an unedited debate chaired by a you. This would be the first time that we all could really start to see a better version of truth and make our own minds up. It would also be an opportunity for these to actually talk to eachother directly and perhaps see that we are all one.

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

Trust but verify plus do you own research. That is all you need to do in this internet age.

@MoonJulz

2 жыл бұрын

This would never happen but they would all just lie anyways

@Killane10

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoonJulz and we would see and hear and challenge the unedited, spontaneous lies and truths

@hotpinkmarshmallow

2 жыл бұрын

So… Biden can’t talk and read from the paper even, Zelensky is a drug addict and an actor (some videos show him in absolutely horrific state)… nice and productive conversation 😂

@elatomala1976

2 жыл бұрын

Biden can't even talk to us let alone tell the truth. Zelensky reads off the teleprompter and is an actor comedian placed there to play his part he was hired for!

When Oliver Stone speaks one should listen to the truth from all the research he goes through to make amazing truthful documentaries 🙏🙏💖

4:19 - Was that "discuss" or "discussed" and did you introduce Oliver Stone after you interviewed him?

I love Oliver Stone. He sounds very tired and overwhelmed.

@dougyoung221

2 жыл бұрын

I think his interviewer is just wearing him out.

@justgivemethetruth

2 жыл бұрын

@@dougyoung221 Shermer is making an effort to go against his normal far right- wing rhetoric, or maybe he was just waiting to pounce.

@gaylandbarney2231

2 жыл бұрын

tired ? yes , YEARS of struggling to maintain civilized , intelligent discourse ; only to face the return to cold war mentality, can wear a guy out......i'm a little older than Stone , and the despair and frustration is debilitating at times.......to have criminals "representing" us , with little recourse , makes me bone tired........or perhaps it's just age ...?..

@justgivemethetruth

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaylandbarney2231 Yeah, well said.

@elatomala1976

2 жыл бұрын

He's probably disgusted with the direction this world is going in.

Oliver you are a wise human, you have evolved and like you said they are cavemen,they are very primitive. They don’t use their brain to think, only to fight. Thank you for your brave work . Take care.

@busyb8676

10 ай бұрын

The Russians did not leave East Germany or the Baltic countries Poland and the rest of the Eastern bloc.

Thanks Michael, great conversation.

Peace is the only answer and using diplomacy to achieve it . Oliver Stone is right.

At the security conference in 1990, Munich, Germany the participants of the Conference made verbal promises about no further expansion easterly when the cold-war was at an impasse, and these actions were recorded as well. Regrettably, this was never put down in a treaty, and was easily broken by NATO. Hans-Dietrich Genscher with the Sec. of State verbally secured this with Russia at the Security Conference in Munich. Even Genscher declared before he passed away, "We betrayed Russia". [George Kennan warned about NATO expansion eastward in 1997 Excerpt from George F. Kennan, “A Fateful Error,” New York Times, 05 Feb 1997 “Why, with all the hopeful possibilities engendered by the end of the Cold War, should East-West relations become centered on the question of who would be allied with whom and, by implication, against whom in some fanciful, totally unforeseeable and most improbable future military conflict?” “[B]luntly stated…expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking … ” George Frost Kennan (February 16, 1904 - March 17, 2005) was an American diplomat and historian. He was best known as an advocate of a policy of containment of Soviet expansion during the Cold War. He lectured widely and wrote scholarly histories of the relations between the USSR and the United States. He was also one of the group of foreign policy elders known as "The Wise Men."] [U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.]

@davethebrahman9870

2 жыл бұрын

This is so stupid it beggars belief. There is no such thing as an unwritten treaty or binding promise in international affairs. Even written promises are subject to the exigencies of the moment. Everyone knows this. NATO is a purely defensive alliance that cannot be used to threaten Russia even if the US desired to do so. Russia itself has broken explicit written guarantees given to Ukraine, Georgia and Chechneya concernkng security. repeatedly doing so in the most brutal fashion. Smarteen up.

@encyclopath

2 жыл бұрын

Gorbachov made a verbal promise to me that Russia would disarm and dissolve itself, and it is as valid as any other verbal promise in the history of foreign affairs.

@karagi101

2 жыл бұрын

That’s total bullshit. Russia agreed to the NATO-Russia Founding Act which precludes Russia from stopping any countries wanting to join Nato. Look it up.

@scrollop

2 жыл бұрын

Russia promised Ukraine it would not attack it if it gave up it's nuclear weapons. I would trust the West more than I would trust Russia.

@donquique1

2 жыл бұрын

Putin made a verbal promise he would not attack yet he we are.

Question: in what way is Russian society superior to western europe and usa & canada?

@JohnJohnson-pq4qz

11 ай бұрын

define "society" and as a Canadian few of us would want to be lumped in with American society.

@kagolorichard3976

6 ай бұрын

The well being of your neighbor is your concern in russia

I know very little of Stone the person. But the impression he gives here is fascinating yet deeply unpleasant- almost a dark hypomania. He may as well have just said to Shermer, "I'm not interested in you and I'm not here to have a back-and-forth. I will listen to you exactly as long as it takes for you to ask a question I want to answer. Thank me for my time."

@Glasstable2011

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if that is partly due to his career and success. He’s had a people shut up and listen to him for 40 years, there’s maybe a sense of entitlement there, albeit well-earned given his career. Unfortunately it can lead to people sounding belligerent in interviews, or worse, walking on stage at the Oscars and slapping the host in the face for making a joke.

@davethebrahman9870

2 жыл бұрын

He seems to be suffering from Paranoid Personality Disorder.

Thank you Oliver and thanks for this interview. Regard and Love from Taiwan.

Stone is a treasure, and I guess if he gives Shermer an interview he's recovered from his long dive into the libertarian abyss...I hope so.

@waterkingdavid

Жыл бұрын

Oliver Stone isn't a "libertarian" in any shape or form! I'm assuming you mean of the American variety not in the sense Chomsky would mean it as someone who really believes in true liberty.

@bushrodlake2751

Жыл бұрын

@@waterkingdavid I was referring to Shermer!

@waterkingdavid

Жыл бұрын

@@bushrodlake2751 Ok I see. Sorry I read your comment too quickly. Actually was quite surprising to see Shermer interviewing Stone here. Stone didn't look overjoyed about the opportunity! But as you say perhaps there is hope for Shermer who someone said was Sam Harris's guru! Harris never mentions anything about U.S. foreign policy in a bad light or criticizes the apartheid state of Israel or didn't used to anyway.

It seems many times or most of the time when the USA gets involved in these situations it goes from bad to worse. We’re seeing it now and I would think we would learn something. Part of it recently is who they put back in power through this administration. These people have ties with Ukraine etc. and they have agendas and they have their so-called ideology hatreds toward Russia because of past family ancestor issues for a few anyway..? or other reasons. My family is European and growing up I think there was things that my family didn’t like about certain people warring with the countries we are from. But people have to let that go and just say that was the past. It’s just that some people get a taste of power and they want to wield it upon somebody that they have a hatred for that they probably don’t even know the full story. some people could build a type of hatred or irritation with these countries… What’s been happening in our country isn’t just about money it’s about hatred for their families past. Some of the people that are in Admin right now.. pretty obvious…It’s sad it puts the Earth at risk! It’s not worth it. Nothing is worth this.

@waterkingdavid

Жыл бұрын

Not most of the time but always! Regarding America making things worse by sticking it's nose into other people's affairs!

@oliveoil7642

7 ай бұрын

Totally agree. My heritage is Eastern European and my grandfather who fought in WW1 against the Russians (conscripted) always emphasized the futility of war. He was a POW but managed somehow to escape. He spoke Russian and was at the mercy of the local peasantry. He somehow made it back home via Turkey. He was shot at by Russian soldiers but then fed and sheltered by the local peasants. My grandfather never hated the Russians but rather came to realize how much they had in common. ( love of family & heritage) Sadly however hatred continued to run deep in eastern Europe and Ukraine so my grandparents emigrated to Canada to build a peaceful and prosperous life for themselves and future generations. They always felt a sadness as if they had abandoned their homeland but they believed they could not thrive within the hatred that remained. They were exhausted by the continual wars and revenge ideology promoted by “leaders” and the ruling class. When will we ever learn? What does war ever accomplish but the perpetuation of hate, anger and destruction of the average person. My grandparents were able to break away from the toxic dysfunctional existence but there are those who you mention brought this mentality to their new homelands and future generations!

Fantastic conversation very relovent

Great to have listened to a very sensible individual, Oliver stone.

Great job. Pushed just hard enough on Stone's buttons. Love Oliver Stone. Thank You.

Excellent food for thought

Hi mr. Shermer ! What you think it is a reason why “ Jedi” is not inviting mr. Stone on his podcast?

@dezurniprovokator373

11 ай бұрын

Many times I ask “Jedi” that question on his podcast! He is (Jedi) my biggest disappointment!

Oliver Stone THANKS from Uruguay , South America

I watch "The Duran" they have explained how Russia and Putin conduct a war. Besides just military might, they also try negotiations. Which explains the cessation around Kyiv while negotiations were happening in Turkey. Unfortunately the collective west told Zelenski to backtrack... needless to say things could have been over by now

@ezbody

2 жыл бұрын

It's like a meeting of left wing conspiracy theory nuts here. So many people pushing some sort of the Kremlin propaganda mill as a source of rational information. SMH

@florentinoariza4026

2 жыл бұрын

So far, The Duran, The Gray Zone, Scott Ritter, Richard Medhurst, Gonzalo Lira are the ones that I listen to now with regards to the Ukraine conflict. These guys seem to provide a more accurate and realistic picture of the conflict. In sharp contrast, the Western mainstream media and even the various military YT pages are constantly spewing anti-Russian prop, trying hard to create a make-believe reality where the Ukraine military is winning.

@ezbody

2 жыл бұрын

@@florentinoariza4026 Save your time, go straight to RT, genius, it will be the same "unbiased" information. LOL

@ptassets

2 жыл бұрын

You will noticed that whenever Zelensky is just about to give up and concede , in jump the mighty America with millions of dollars to ensure Ukriane continue the war. How evil can you get.

@florentinoariza4026

2 жыл бұрын

@@ezbody Whoever said that RT is "unbiased" is most likely gullible enough to swallow US propaganda hook, line, and sinker. That is why I did not mention RT, although RT provides better media coverage. RT is also restricted in the country where I'm staying right now.

oliver stone is a legend and a real human!

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

It is highly possible that you like him a lot.🤔

Well interviewd. Enough but not too much input from you Michael. Thanks.

If only people like Oliver were in significant positions of power. The fact that the world is happy abating the full destruction of Ukraine is beyond belief.

One of the interviews that take the most of balls when being part of the progressive establishment, as this channel, and definitely Micheal are - due to uncomfy perspectives, cough - or should I say (actually more or less obvious) truths that Oliver is stating. Kudos, Michael. Your peers may take notes!

I have a story to tell him about WWII along with where we are now in time.

Post 02:05 intro STONE - ROCKS UP @ 05:25.

I've listened to and admired both Shermer and Oliver Stone for 30 years. But until seeing them together here I never realized how ideological Shermer's thinking is. I guess that's an unreflective after effect of his earlier Christian days. I personally never had Christian dogma that I needed to free myself from, but I did grow up with the sort of simplistic patriotism that Shermer still seems to be tethered to. I wasn't expecting that from him. It totally misaligns with skepticism.

@dougyoung221

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, wouldn't be here but for stone.

@dane.5772

2 жыл бұрын

Are you certain he isn't just representing the voice of viewers who might be "simplistic patriots" so they will not just ignore what they believe they disagree with?

@workingTchr

2 жыл бұрын

@@dane.5772 I'm not certain it's not that, but where he's coming from is familiar to me. I see it everywhere. It's basically, "America is the greatest and we are the best and most deserving people on Earth." That's why for every damning critical point Stone (or his movie) makes, Shermer's FIRST reaction is to try to balance it out with something good American does. If you're really a skeptic, you wouldn't do that. That's why I called his thinking "ideological." And mature patriotism, in my book, goes on the warpath to correct such wrongs, not balance them out with something else.

@caterpillakilla

2 жыл бұрын

Im shocked ur just seeing this trait in Shermer. It only took a couple visits on JRE for me to realize Shermers religion is Skepticism and he ends up an ideologue

@workingTchr

2 жыл бұрын

@@caterpillakilla The ideological aspect I was referring to wasn't his skepticism but his "Americanism." And that, I think on further thought, probably comes from his being plugged "into proper, polite, (rich) society" in a big way. It's really "status-quo-ism". But Shermer is a nice guy, no doubt about that as far as I'm concerned.

@M H I can’t say that from my perspective! A country needs to identify what it’s ideals are and work toward that aim! Bringing back from the edge, people who wonder off into the dark side. Sure we can compete with others or other countries...but there will have to be a winner and a looser...psychologically that isn’t healthy! Life is more than wining or loosing compared to others! As we are all different...equal footing in regard to the individual...makes more sense to me!

@user-1mrndslvd8h

2 жыл бұрын

Right. ❤️

I was heavily immersed in many of the JFK assassination conspiracy theories when I viewed the premier of Oliver Stone's movie JFK in 1991. A particular scene in that movie moved to tears. As the film concluded however, I thought that Mr. Stone had taken the wrong tact by relying far too heavily on the untrustworthy assertions of the grandstanding and irrational New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. What I didn't know at the time was that Mr. Stone's film would eventually lead me to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't merely on the periphery of events, as the film had alluded to. It was clear to me that Oswald played a pivotal role as the assassin. However, I am still convinced of a conspiracy after the fact. The late, Chris Tame, founder of the Libertarian Alliance, provided me with a rational way to reasonably think about all machinations, from the plausible to the ludicrous. Mr. Tame said, "I am not interested in conspiracy theories. I am only interested in the facts of conspiracies."

@meinking22

2 жыл бұрын

So when is your JFK movie/documentary/whatever coming out?

@jeffersonianideal

2 жыл бұрын

@@meinking22 You forgot to include dramatization?

@tonymoto1188

2 жыл бұрын

Stone's movie has errors in it and I'm pretty certain LHO was the only gunman.

@jeffersonianideal

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonymoto1188 Even if there was a second assassin, the bullets and fragments that were collected and examined came from Oswald's gun.

@meinking22

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffersonianideal no they didn't. lol

AWESOME

Interview starts at 5:25

I agree with Oliver Stone about the U.S. involvement with the unnecessary wars and how corrupt the Pentagon is . I just don't agree with his rational with Russia especially now. It was a great commentary overall.

Thank you both very wonderful fantastic video. I'm right on with Rodger Stone why of thinking. Damn good and very intelligent man. Thanks for enlightening us. Just you telling the story lights up our brains and we want to become more like you. So thank you!

@robertrichard6107

11 ай бұрын

Rodger Stone is a G.O.P. muckity muck, do mean Oliver Stone in this interview?

I like the way Stone describes the wéstern media and news personnel

I got nothing...but I cut out half way through the interview! I am a realist, in every sense of the word! I try and face reality without sugarcoating it, in order to digest it! Reality is often boring and harsh...if possible I want to ‘see’ reality...as it is not with a little ‘sugar’ to make it more acceptable! I try never to mix entertainment with reality.

Oliver Stone is right on the case. He has an incredible weath of knowlege and understands this Ukraine war (or should I say US proxy war to weaken Russia and sell arms war) perfectly

@chrischestarrow9031

2 жыл бұрын

Crap. How does invading Ukraine, who is NOT a member of NATO, help Russia relieve pressure from NATO? The only result is to urge Finland and Sweden to apply for NATO membership now. Ridiculous argument.

@mbankslje0nk

2 жыл бұрын

Russia invaded Ukraine and it's the US's fault! What a pile of bullshit.

@one4320

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrischestarrow9031 don't be a bonehead. Take both sides of an argument and you'll understand.

@chrischestarrow9031

2 жыл бұрын

@@one4320 What do you mean precisely?

@carlbervin8183

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrischestarrow9031 Exactly. By invading a sovereign state in violation of international law Putin has presented the best sales pitch possible for states to join NATO.

"What about Hungary?" Stone "how dare they want to break free from Soviet domination"

@todisagreeitsokay1837

2 жыл бұрын

?

@BrettHar123

2 жыл бұрын

How dare the people of the Donbass, dare to break away from a US installed, far-right, rascist, nazi-backed nationalist state.

@avnidvyi

2 жыл бұрын

learn some history, kid, the real shit.

@todisagreeitsokay1837

2 жыл бұрын

if you are talking about 1956, and you are trying to compare 56 Hungary to 2014 Ukraine... than you are out of your f@cking mind... one major difference being, that there was no John McCain or Victoria Nuland holding speaches in Budapest in front of a crowd, and there were no paid neo-nazis agitating the crowd or shooting everyone... you really need to learn your history... and the difference between a working class revolution and a forceful regime change... cuba had a revolution, how do i know this, cause the USA is still sanctioning them like 700 years later... when John McCain is one of your speakear, you are not having a revolution...

@paulbadics3500

2 жыл бұрын

@@avnidvyi i know the history of the 1956 uprising in Hungary against the illegal occupation by Soviet Union & subsequent brutal crack down..i dont disagree with Stone on a lot of his overall analysis in particular that there is a whole other side to Ukraine issue but he was wrong to insinuate countries like Hungary had no right to revolt against Soviet occupation

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Grant ended reconstruction in the south because he wanted to avoid another civil war in part.

Oliver is a genius when it comes to communicating and opening up the other side for sure. Mostly because of his consistent anti American posture LOL but if deep down he is loyal to liberty, then he is effective.

@rpm8865

Жыл бұрын

Was he “anti American” when he went and fought in Vietnam and awarded two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star?

@vincentmanion7990

11 ай бұрын

@@rpm8865 You are replying to a Russian bot...

Great conversation.

"They had system for free education and healthcare"!No Oliver, there is no "free lunch"

@Ballardian

2 жыл бұрын

He means free at the point of use, cretin. So that nobody goes without healthcare just because they're poorer.

Great! I hope that Oliver will go for years and years doing the good, the great things that he always have.

@goodgood9955

Жыл бұрын

Such as lying about the death of JFK.

Oliver Stone needs to give more interview like this. Stone is the voice of sanity. I watched all 3 of his collaborations with Lopatonok. The American people are not hearing Russia's side of this. I am so disgusted with my own country and our foreign policy. I'm 71 years old and have seen the US go into genocidal war after genocidal war. Why? Why? Why? We have to be a very sick country.

@karagi101

2 жыл бұрын

What “side” allows a country to wage a war of aggression, bomb to dust cities, rape, torture and murder civilians? You’re a fool for thinking there is a valid Russian side to all this.

@catnap387

Жыл бұрын

The genocidal war right now is happening in Ukraine and it is being done by a murderous leadership and its sadistic russian army. Why are Ukrainians being murdered and raped? I thought that you may want to hear their side rather than russia's?!!!

Russia and the US could be allies and great friends but most citizens understand that we aren't allowed to be by the military-industrial complex which prefers power and profits through regime interventions, buying and selling arms. See Untold History by Kuznick and Stone, and John Meersheimer, for the background and history re the Ukraine, on youtube.

@Istanislav1

2 жыл бұрын

:(

To answer your question about "how do we pick and choose who to help" I wanted to scream out "DON'T CREATE THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE" We wouldn't need to help Ukraine if we didn't radicalize, militarize, and weaponize them against Russia. There are 100% valid situations to intervene, but "humanitarian intervention" has been weaponized to just mean "push US hegemony" Stone nailed your question when you asked about "all the good" America has done, and Stone responded with a series of interventions where we caused brutality and chaos. And you just glossed over it lmao. Ignored it, and said "here's one good one..."

@catnap387

Жыл бұрын

Good thing or not that Poland was helped when Hitler invaded it? Why shouldn't Ukraine then get help?

Brilliant interview with brilliant guest.

Love Sean Stone ☮️ also.

@franko2886

2 жыл бұрын

He's another head banger! 🤣

Great video. Thank you gentlemen.

What country does he live in now?

Would it be advantageous to have a person on who supports ‘evil’ as a way of relating in the world? It would be another view point! It is your platform and you can have whomever you want on there. But, I can only take so much ‘evil’ discussion (or distortion of reality), I believe it was Scott Peck, who wrote ‘People of the Lie,’ and he reported that to study evil, one must immerse ones self in it...but, you also might never return. I am a believer!

Nice hearing from OS ! I'd searched earlier for his recent remarks on Ukraine and Russia .

‘They were good allies in WW2’, he says. What about Ribbentrop-Molotov pact? What about Polish-Soviet war in 1945? Stalin and Hitler had a deal before WW2 even started.

@imme12

2 жыл бұрын

What about Poland-Germany talks about dividing Czechoslovakia?! What about all agreements the European governments signed with Hitler? USSR was the last European state to sign agreement with Nazi Germany. I bet you didn’t know this, because it is not taught in Europe - not convenient to have that knowledge. Stalin was trying to form an European alliance against Germany but the Brits and French and others were not interested… Why? Well, they had their agreements with Germany signed… Talking of Poland in 1945. The Polish-Soviet war argument you are talking about is a bit absurd. Yes, USSR took territories as per the agreement with Germany but it was Germany who fully occupied Poland, and only then the Soviets entered. By the way, do you know which were these particular territories? The same ones Poland took in 1917 from Russia when the revolution there started and Poland saw a great opportunity to claim these territories in a time when Russia was torn apart from civil war and 14 countries military intervention at the same time on Russian territory. In 1945 it was the Soviets who finally liberated Poland from Germany and were the first to discover the consecration camps due to which hundreds of thousands of prisoners in these camps were saved. History has to be revisited. I know for a fact how twisted it has been made in the last decades to serve the political agenda of US and its allies in the EU. It was purposely rewritten to serve the modern western narrative…and always to oppose Russia and make Russia the evil.

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

@@imme12 Both of you are correct about some historical facts.

@karagi101

2 жыл бұрын

What about Stalin starving 7 million Ukrainians?

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

@@karagi101 Stalin obviously didn't build a Disneyland for 7 million people in Ukraine. That's for sure no matter whom you talk to.

@karagi101

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjeng1 No. He built a Hell on Earth for the Ukrainians and all the rest of the nations under Soviet control - including his own.

Stone called it.

Michael needs to learn a lot more about history of West and East, including West and East Germany as well as North and South Korea. The main reason of success of Germany and Japan was that they were given access to all modern technologies and to the richest global markets, and they were given a share in the global division of labor. For Germany, you could argue, the situation got worse after US "supervision". Before Hitler, Germany, in terms of science, technology and industry, was WAY AHEAD of US. And now it's mostly behind - since 1945 it was not allowed to have the most advanced industries. Germany, actually the entire EU, does not have advanced microelectronics, they don't have advanced software, while relatively small Russia has counterparts for all the most advanced US tech companies. not to mention China. Actually, up until mid 70-s, when USSR's "right turn" (elites over people) was complete () - which Khrushchev, rather unconsciously, started, the Socialist world was on a better trajectory, East vs West Germany and North vs South Korea included - just look up the research based on archives and statistics. All of that despited the "iron curtain" that, mind you, was installed by the West, and despite sanctions, embargoes, proxy wars and all other "containing" measure. Only when Soviet elites decided to enrich themselves instead of people - then they lost. They decided to play the game the West was playing, only with 10x less resources.

War-makers always make plans. Stone has a lot of knowledge and a lot of good points, but I can't agree with everything he says, but he is a great American and a history resource. He has to cover too much territory after such a long career and remember too much information on all those issues.

@ActionAlligator

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'll take some of Stone's points; I've never heard of or seen him before this interview, but I'm very willing to entertain that we have Putin wrong on some fronts, that perhaps he and Russia have some real grievances, or that we're not being told how the U.S. and NATO played a major part in the build up of this conflict, etc. so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, sure. But, he comes off as very biased towards Russia in this exchange; almost every criticism that Shermer attempted to land on Russia was just about dismissed by Stone; many times when Shermer tried to steel-man a counter position or play devil's advocate, Stone was too quick, imo, to toss it aside as unimportant or unfeasible or he simply resorted to whataboutism. Positions like (on globalist intervention) "[well, we can't help everybody, so therefore trying to help anybody isn't feasible]", (on Russia and Hungary) "[all you hear is oh, the Russians finally snapped]", "[yeah, but the U.S. has done just as bad or worse]", "[but Russia had to fight Hungary because blah blah]", (on Ukraine conflict) "[oh, Putin wants to help the people of the Donbas]" just aren't going to cut it. I'm not looking for someone just as biased about Russia as some are biased about U.S. or NATO, I'm looking for someone with a balanced perspective. This is not even to mention, btw, that Putin could be lying and manipulating... why was Stone's interview with him so convincing to him and others? I haven't seen it, so I can't say anything concrete about it of course, but it's not in Putin's best interest to tell the truth to Stone, it's his best interest to tell Stone whatever he thinks will benefit Russia in some way. I'm not saying that Putin lied about everything, I'm just saying that his incentives, as well as character for that matter, don't leave much room to see him as anything but a totalitarian dictator with imperialistic interests backed by propaganda and disinformation. I don't know, if Shermer thinks Stone has a lot of good points to offer and doesn't feel he's biased, then perhaps I'm not getting the full complexity of Stone's position.. but this interview certainly hasn't convinced me.

@justgivemethetruth

2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionAlligator The best explainers of the contrarian point of view are on KZread; John Mearsheimer, Stephen Cohen (deceased), Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor, Andrew Bacevich, Peter Hitchens ... they as a group are much more knowledgeable and smarter than what you get on mainstream media.

@justgivemethetruth

2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionAlligator Stone seems to be getting old and out of practice being interviewed. He is a bit slower than he used to be and not as on-point. Also, as I said, he has too much to cover. I'd question all those who are so quick to jump on people in public performances or speeches, etc - because it is stressful and very difficult, and the ones who are good at it are not necessarily smarter but have more experience or are more prepared. This was not a great showing by Stone, but he made his points well enough that if you are curious, you can go watch the documentaries or other interviews. The Untold History Of The US series is really excellent.

@elatomala1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionAlligator listen to the other interviews. Also, their are many videos that prove the majority of what he's saying.

Stone forgets that most Ukrainians want to part of West not neutral, doesn't that count for something?!

@serenitynow1364

2 жыл бұрын

Half want to be part of the EU, the others? Not so much.

@carlbervin8183

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! The fact that it appears that the majority of Ukrainian civilians and the armed forces of Ukraine are fighting with such tenacity to push back the invader must also mean something.

@robbiewizz658

2 жыл бұрын

Then Ukraine needs to stop the oligarchic corruption… that robs the people of its riches…. It’s the most corrupt country in Europe .

@carlbervin8183

2 жыл бұрын

@@robbiewizz658 most corrupt country in Europe?? How do you think Putin got to be the richest man on the planet? How did the Russian oligarchs get their billions from? Organised state corruption which means money illegally ripped off the taxpayer. Its these oligarchs and their influence that keeps Putin in power and they well know that they get to keep their billions if they stay on his right side so the corruption is endemic and stays so because the whole power structure is built on it from a top down and bottom up reciprocal hierarchy. And let's consider that the whole electoral system is rigged in that only state approved candidates can stand for election. Voting is massively built on harvesting. Little or no freedom of the press and opposition leaders are shot, poisoned or sent to gulags. ZELENSKY and his party was elected with 73% of the vote in the country's 2019 elections in 2019. Which had at least some level of foreign observation.Putin has just himself another 20 years on the strength of a contrived 70% popularity rating. Man, yo gotta be kidding me and yourself it seems. At least Zelensky went through a process to become legitimately elected while Putin none so who is more corrupt. There is a common misconception by the right or alt right in the us that Zelensky is a US plant since 2014 but its BS. How about you address the issues I've just raised.

@robbiewizz658

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlbervin8183 do me a favour Zelensky is Billionaire Kolamoisky guy who he put up as a comedian in a sit com series about politics then he puts him forward as a politician. The coup was USA backed. He was chosen by Victoria Nuland whose conversations transcripts clearly have her saying we got our guy so f the eu .. Does America have the right to instigate regime change in sovereign states . They look to create and facilitate failed states nothing to do either democracy. What ever Putin and Russia do in their country is for them to decide my point. Just like China . It’s their business…

Gorbachev tried desperately to keep the Soviet Republics together and turned into a deranged murderer in order to do so.

Is the Purple Heart earned, or is it simply dished out to anyone in the US forces who is wounded?

Oliver Stone is a living LEGEND

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, even though I disagree with him all the time.

👍

7 Days in May. Great film.

Recommend Douglas Horne’s book: JFK’s War with the National Security Establishment: Why JFK was assassinated

Compared to some other places, we have freedom. But, should a person get caught up in the justice system without clout or monies...the outcome is questionable. And then there are other pockets of policing that seems to originate in their specific culture...that shows no mercy! But, we can peaceably assemble and even protest our government.

@shopshop144

11 ай бұрын

Its a very hard balance beam to work. The US has some very good principals along with a very mixed track record. Somehow the US needs to find ways to use its strengths to help others worldwide without undo force, knowing its far from perfect. And at the same time be able to look at real issues of social justice inside its own borders. I'd say we are allowed to protest as long as those protests aren't very affective. Jimmy Carter wanted to try a foreign policy that was more in line with American principals, and boy did he get taken to the cleaners. And Carter was hardly a revolutionary.

I admire Oliver Stone, because he has shown himself to be an American citizen who is TRULY interested in the different historical events that we have experienced and understands the machinery of the American media that DOES NOT REPORT but DEFORMS the information in true psychological campaigns, which have dumbed down the American people to support the different wars that have killed thousands of innocents

@ruthokelley5833

2 жыл бұрын

@Francisco Arteaga Maybe...but he appears to have a lot of blind spots!

@FRANCISCOARTEAGA54

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruthokelley5833 I don't understand what you mean by blind spots... but historical events are what tell you who is attacking. NATO in the last 20 years has invaded countries and killed innocent people and this is reflected in the American soldier who once in the war... does not understand why he is fighting a war to enrich the big transnationals and when he returns to his home is a misfit, a man without hope and with the burden of thousands of innocent deaths on his shoulders....that is why the high suicide rates

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

@@FRANCISCOARTEAGA54 NATO in the last 20 years has invaded countries and killed innocent people? Really?🤔☹

@FRANCISCOARTEAGA54

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjeng1 Don't be so naive or cynical...Iraq...Libya...Palestine...Afghanistan....these are not countries for you....where human beings live

@pjeng1

2 жыл бұрын

@@FRANCISCOARTEAGA54 Of course they are. But I do not accept your claim that NATO in the last 20 years has invaded countries and killed innocent people. How about Russia who are directly and indirectly involved in these conflict? Please be fair and balanced in your criticisms.

Okinava is still occupied by US and Japan. Almost every day for decades, okinavians have protested outside the US base, telling them to go home.

ask oliver whats preventing putin from putting nukes in cuba now and what if he does?

Oliver Stone is a force to be reckoned with. Love his work. What a great American.