I can't belieive I didn't say this explicitly but: IF YOU LONG REST YOU RESET YOUR SLOTS!

@mr.deviljho9789

2 жыл бұрын

And every sane DM will not let their players to choose to not take long rests. Long Rest is not a button you press in a video game. It just happens after 8 hours of light activity.

@pedrokotii2417

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.deviljho9789 Hardly. You can roleplay it as taking the first watch and then not calling the next guy (because you were contemplating the nature of power and didn't notice the passage of time). If it makes sense from storytelling perspective, then a good DM will allow it. That said, "Choices are infinite, consequences are mandatory", so you WILL get those exhaustion levels.

@mr.deviljho9789

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrokotii2417 That's still a Long Rest.

@mr.deviljho9789

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrokotii2417 Also if you are choosing to not take a Long Rest, you are not doing it for the sake of good narrative :D

@gaberielpendragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.deviljho9789 Long rest very specifically requires taking 8 hours to sleep, or other numbers if you are an elf or another race that adjusts the sleep duration.

"God said he'd teach me Karate" is a wonderful drug fuelled line - I want it on a shirt

@Garessta

2 жыл бұрын

monk dip and no drip

@tristinquiram5702

2 жыл бұрын

Tears of joy.

@aaron123589

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely this needs to be put on merch somewhere!

@bot0643

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaron123589 a solaris jock for sure

@demolisherman1763

2 жыл бұрын

Put a cross with head band on it too

I've always wanted to run an NPC with this setup. Having the party negotiate with a overpowering mage who is also a paranoid schizophrenic with only a tenuous grasp of reality due to having not slept for 1000 years would be a fun encounter.

@AxxLAfriku

2 жыл бұрын

I have fewer than 1 friend in the World. That's right. Everybody disses me for making bad videos. I think they are perfect though. Who is right? My dissers or me? Which side are you on, dear teh

@Stostri

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the only winning move is to stealthily cast sleep on him while he's too distracted to counterspell it.

@The5lacker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stostri The man has a thousand spell slots of every level in his back pocket and is permanently under the effects of a Time Stop spell. All you'll do is incur his wrath. Also, as the video says, Sleep and Rest are technically different things, so he'll just wake up sixty seconds later and groggily try to murder you.

@Magic__7

2 жыл бұрын

I'm steeling this idea and there is nothing you can do about it

@melanoc3tusii205

2 жыл бұрын

@@The5lacker Looks like you'd need to force him to take a long rest through some sort of enchantment or something. On the upside, I can't imagine not having sleep for 1000 years does good things to your mental saves.

"So how dose a coffeewock... (stops to rethink his life)" "A COFFEEWOCK LORKS"! Perfect

@ThornArgentine

2 жыл бұрын

If in doubt, style it out!

@lucestrasz2312

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t hear it the first few times. Went back, and wow did that lork.

@juanpauloarcillas7600

2 жыл бұрын

Coffeewokes

@Epicmonk117

2 жыл бұрын

I love how the second brother just fucking ran with it. Didn’t even fumble his words like the first one did and just went as if he had been planning to use that spoonerism the whole time.

@AnimeSunglasses

2 жыл бұрын

Lurks. A Coffeewock Lurks. And vibrates slightly.

The Paladin loading his Hammer with Pact shotgun shells was *chef’s kiss

@benjaminoechsli1941

2 жыл бұрын

For when the heretics need an extra level of smiting.

"God said he'd teach me karate" That fucking killed me, I'm dead now.

@irok1

2 жыл бұрын

RIP

@oskarbondesson4936

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@PandorasFolly

2 жыл бұрын

This is my next character and no one can stop me. had to pause the video, i was giggling so hard

@mrjamieb1899

2 жыл бұрын

f

@ManoredRed

2 жыл бұрын

No idea what class this is, but paladin + monk multiclass would basically be this I guess

Sleep deprived Warlocks are usually how I portray them anyway. Not because they're getting infinite slots, but because the insidious dreams from their patrons suck.

@H3xx99

2 жыл бұрын

My Archfey Warlock has tried to punch his patron in the face. What's he gonna do? Kill me and lose my service?

@animaaficionado14ds

2 жыл бұрын

My Warlock that im dying to bring to the table is just so power hungry sleep just gets in his way of more power.

@devin5201

2 жыл бұрын

@@H3xx99 I mean they could always find some other self important schmuck.

@gideonmele1556

2 жыл бұрын

Warlocks with a Succubus patron: “…it depends”

@H3xx99

2 жыл бұрын

@@devin5201 The Archfey don't really care about something as trivial as a punch in the face. It's not like you tried to actually hurt them, after all. Especially Hyrsam the Fool. He thought it was funny. Hyrsam is a very interesting fey, btw. I recommend looking up some of his lore.

For anyone wondering, greater restoration = cocaine because of the diamond dust involved in casting it

@Cerebrum123

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation.

@yomanyo327

8 ай бұрын

Real life advice: Please, for the love of all that is holy, under no circumstance should you snort diamond dust.

@Sir_Bucket

7 ай бұрын

​@@yomanyo327don't listen to that man, snort it until you start caughing blood. That means your blood is being replaced with diamond, making you indestructible :)

@greatandmightykevin

6 ай бұрын

@@yomanyo327 yeah, *you* shouldn't, more for me tho

@ProjectXA3

6 ай бұрын

Oh I thought it was because Greater Restoration negates sleep requirements

Don't forget: with 5 levels in Creation Bard you can create the 100 GP diamond component required for Greater Restoration. Which is to say: 5 Bard / 5 Warlock / 10 Divine Soul Sorcerer; ethically sourced Cocainelock.

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

......You scare me. I love it.

@TigerKirby215

2 жыл бұрын

@@singletona082 I too know of the Eldritch Knowledge of Reh-deet

@dr7gon777

2 жыл бұрын

Oh God and they all use charisma as their casting modifier so it's even single ability dependent

@smile-tl9in

2 жыл бұрын

You can get away with only warlock 1.

@tobymoore2185

2 жыл бұрын

@@smile-tl9in you mad genius this saved the build I’m planning

Imagine being about to spar, asking your opponent who taught him karate, and he answers “God”.

@0jutai

2 жыл бұрын

He promptly slams his head against a nearby table and snorts a massive line. “K, God said we’re good to go, let’s do this”

@cacadordeender

2 жыл бұрын

Jackobs Limbs are real

@theapexsurvivor9538

2 жыл бұрын

@@0jutai then they haste up as their body is covered in an icy armour and begin spraying the arena with quickened eldritch blasts...

@dairoleon2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@theapexsurvivor9538 Also now there appears to be six of them because divine sorlocks still get access to the original Sorcerer spell list.

@Wertsir

2 жыл бұрын

My ass is tapping out. That mo about to kill you.

Tea-lock is also an option if you want pact flexibility without proccing exhaustion. As an elf you can take a long rest in 4 hours and then short rest 4 times while the party is still long resting. Not infinite, but a great way to start the day.

*Does line of coke* "God said he'd teach me karate." That broke me. My ribs hurt now...

Players already act like their characters are addicted to meth, don't give them an in-universe explanation for why they steal anything not nailed down and are obsessed with looting copper.

@Drekromancer

2 жыл бұрын

This says a lot about industrial society and its future

@bodaciouschad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Drekromancer no, it's saying "My party of murder hobos are currently stealing floor tiles in the city of brass instead of descending into Avernus. Send help. -DM"

@pLanetstarBerry

2 жыл бұрын

You laugh, but our necromancer found five barrels full of copper ore and his first immediate thought was on how we were getting this back to the bazaar.

@jacobfreeman5444

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, adventurers are just drug addicts that gain powers from their addiction but need some way to fuel their habit.

@kellynolen498

2 жыл бұрын

yes but I've used Gurps to make a freeform Adventure through Detroit about the life of a crack addict of course I had some starting Moneys but I felt compelled to find a drug dealer and convert it all into crack I got alot of crack superpowers which were abilities to make me more durable and other stat boosts on crack consumption including berserk rage and my addiction was extreme so there was a willpower save anytime I wanted to do anything against my urge to aquire and consume crack so if a cop like in full uniform asked me if I wanted to buy crack I had to roll to say anything but yes

I just appreciate the third McGenk rolling with the flubbed line and turning it into a full Spoonerism. Coffeewoks do indeed lurk.

@cbwroses

2 жыл бұрын

So is that confirmed as the third McGenk. I thought/hoped so, based on looks and voice, but I wasn’t sure, especially since the other two are both wizards. Then again, I was wondering if the sorcerer from the true strike video was one, so really have no idea.

@andrewrussell9458

2 жыл бұрын

cbwroses the sorcerer is an unrelated character

@connordarvall8482

2 жыл бұрын

After sitting in a hospitality class for a couple of months, I could say that someone has probably tried roasting coffee in a wok. Probably adds a few hundred more variables to how the coffee will turn out.

@jacobgraemoor5778

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that the one brother we see all the time tho? I heard somewhere the other McGenk brother was a paladin or something

@jacobgraemoor5778

2 жыл бұрын

twas not, ignore what I said that was the third brother. Which sucks because I liked the idea he was off being a cleric or paladin or something.

If you want to get even more silly, you can go Alchoholock. With three levels of Artificer you can get the Alchemist specialization, which lets you convert spell slots into Experimental Elixirs. These Elixirs expire after a long rest, so as long as you don't do that, you can just keep making Elixirs.

@Tony_Goat

7 ай бұрын

The Boozificer

There's an RPG system called "Dont rest your head", where characters have superpowers based on how much they didn't slept. (yeah, it's silly). Coffeelock seems like he's somewhat of a system refugee, a character from "don't rest your head" who somehow transcended his own game system and ended up in DnD, still doing his thing of "never sleep".

@Cellidor

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like something inspired by the Incorruptible comic book with an anti-hero with exactly those powers, neat.

@williambarnes5023

2 жыл бұрын

... now I want to write a magical girl series where the girls are transformed and out fighting only while their real bodies are asleep, and how strong the magical girl is depends on how long the real girl had been awake before that.

@travisthompson5080

2 жыл бұрын

@@williambarnes5023 That sounds like an awesome idea, if one of the girls stays awake way too long before going to sleep, would their magical girl dream form act tired as well? If you did ever write this premise, would there be a magical girl who doesn't even realize that her dreams are being played out IRL by her own magical girl dream self? Because I think that might be a pretty cool character for such a premise.

@williambarnes5023

2 жыл бұрын

@@travisthompson5080 The more tired the real girl was, the more energetic the magical girl would be. After all, SHE was ASLEEP the whole time the real girl was awake. SHE'S ready to GO! Maybe none of the real girls realize their dreamselves are magical girls, and think it's all just a dream.

@travisthompson5080

2 жыл бұрын

@@williambarnes5023 Both a very interesting, & very promising setting you've thought up there, I hope you can develop it further at your own pace. Good Luck!

Hmmmm... genie pact coffeelock? Hang out inside your vessel while the group travels, racking up spell slots? For added memeage, make your vessel a coffee pot!

@Drekromancer

2 жыл бұрын

No mortal should have this kind of power.

@Neutral_Tired

2 жыл бұрын

And at a certain level the time for a short rest is reduces to 10 minutes while inside the vessel, at which point you might as well stop tracking spell slots altogether

@mme.veronica735

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neutral_Tired I'd say it's only once per entry into the coffee pot. It says after ten minutes you and every creature in the vessel with you get the benefits of a short rest. Not that short rests take 10 minutes while inside

@magma90

2 жыл бұрын

@@mme.veronica735 just leave and re enter, it only takes 12 extra seconds

@agilemind6241

2 жыл бұрын

@@magma90 There's a limit to the number of times you can enter per day.

If all else fails, homebrew your coffee.

@Drekromancer

2 жыл бұрын

Based

@Crim_Zen

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there.

@oz_jones

Жыл бұрын

Get out

Celestial Warlock is also a good choice due to learning Cure Wounds, which will be helpful when you run out of Hit Dice to use during your short rests.

“How does a coffeewock -“ “A COFFEEWOCK LURKS BY” that is the best save for a messed-up take, holy shit

@Darasilverdragon

6 ай бұрын

This is called a spoonerism, and they are almost always hilarious when you lean into them

I'm not sure how much this applies here, but the reason coffee, and caffeine in general, makes you feel more awake is because it blocks the receptors in your brain that register tiredness. It doesn't actually give you energy. You can be super perkef up by coffee, and still tiring your body out with a lack of rest to recuperate. Could apply to magic abilities, ask your DM.

@hinamiravenroot7162

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing in this build has to do with caffeine it's just the name cuz they don't take long rests (conventionally asociated with sleeping). And if you are talking about Aspect of the moon: it would be a terrible boon if you still get exhaustion and just don't feel tired. That's arguable a downside.

@ManoredRed

2 жыл бұрын

Ye. Which is why being powered by caffeine is unhealthy: you're always overworking yourself.

@unintentionallydramatic

2 жыл бұрын

Running off the explanations in Dying Earth and various supplements (though contrasting with The Wizard's Boy, for example) spell slots are more a measure of memory than anything. Which, yes, also degrades with less sleep but yeah.

@FarhadHakimov

2 жыл бұрын

You do still rest, though. Even in real life, one can substitute one long period of rest with multiple short periods per day. I don't know how healthy it is in the long term, but they still rest and are able to function more or less normally. As a DM, I would argue that an excessive amounts of short rests would successfully substitute a long rest, but then I would probably balance it out by soft-limiting the number of times you can get your spells back per day as a Warlock.

@TheBlackAshTree

2 жыл бұрын

@@FarhadHakimov that works depending on the person for around a week at max, but even then the more often you do it the more you begin accrueing long term health damage from it. Deep sleep is one of the only times your body thoroughly shuts down and heals itself and does self maintenance such as correcting long term issues. It also starts messing with your brain chemistry because most humans are diurnal, and having a non-constant sleep cycle that breaks your circadian rhythm really fucks with most people, but sadly it happens so slowly over a long period that they dont notice it until they reach a point where they're like "Why do I feel like shit all the time?" and by then its usually too late because theyve already started doing long term damage to their bodies. Go figure, they then shrug it off and reach for more caffeine to fix the issue, because thats how addictions work. You try to use the cause of your problems, to fix your problems.

I like the idea on paper, I would *hate* playing with a coffeelock

@VillainousEater

2 жыл бұрын

I DMed a coffelock, he was a chill guy. I didn't know at the time about this built so he sat with me explaining everything and letting me decide if I allow it in my game. I play with an "all RAW allowed" mentality, meaning if it's RAW then it's allowed, no matter what source (as long as it's not homebrew). Unfortunately he wasn't able to abuse it because he started university and didn't have time for the game anymore. Oh well

@trisdavenport3552

2 жыл бұрын

I'm terrified of the kind of person who wants to play a coffeelock

@madmanwithaplan1826

2 жыл бұрын

@@trisdavenport3552 i will never understand a person who gets upset about how another person mechanically runs a character. its just sooo.... petty? i mean i get being upset with how a character acts if you have an incompatible player. but honestly if you didnt know you were playing with a coffeelock and they didnt announce everytime they did their weird thing would you even honestly notice? are you paying that much attention to what they're doing?

@LeonaPrime

2 жыл бұрын

@@trisdavenport3552 Why....? What do you mean a 9th level Fireball spell with Distant metamagic and Silvery Barbs ready is a bit much? Of course tactical nuking from hundreds of feet away isn't overkill. Edit: As I'm looking around more, I do now realize flexible casting only lets you get 5th level spell slots or lower

@DeathL0ck

2 жыл бұрын

@@madmanwithaplan1826 It can mess up the game for other players. Infinite spells makes combat easier, unless the DM ups the challenge. But then everyone else is underpowered in comparison, etc. If all the players and DM agree to a coffeelock, there's no issue at all. But the only stories I've heard were people more or less springing it on a group and killing the fun. Sure, I know not all coffeelock players are like that, and I don't advocate banning the build. Just, y'know, not happening at my table.

When my player tried to do the "only short rests" thing he literally died of exhaustion

When a Warlock goes into a pact with a demonic entity, because the celestial was too hardcore xD

Just to clarify, according to RAW, you can essentially create as many spell slots as you like with the Coffeelock build, but you cannot gain more sorcery points than allowed by your Sorcerer level.

@TheRedAzuki

2 жыл бұрын

Since you can still only cast 1 spell per turn and its still only lvl 2 spells at tops. It's not amazing. Sure, you can get it up to lvl 5 spells later on. But at that point you're at least lvl 11 which is when balance starts to get out of wack for any build anyways

@natsuaurbisness5345

Жыл бұрын

Store them in an item like rod of Absorption or staff of the magi, a high level wizard can keep a stock of these around their clone vats.

@TheGregamonster

Жыл бұрын

Your sorcery point pool is directly controlled by your sorcerer level. A level 7 sorcerer has 7 sorcery points, a level 10 sorcerer has 10 points, ect. Since warlocks only have one level of spell slots, you need to keep your warlock level low enough that a whole spell slot isn't more sorcery points than you can hold. Despite having -lock in the name, this particular build definitely needs to be more sorcerer than warlock.

@erikkesler1739

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGregamonster Not at high levels it can be done Sorcerer 7 Warlock 9 (Eventully 13 but 9 is when greater restoration comes online and 5th level

@scdijkens

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGregamonster Interesting, so you would say you can't turn two 3rd level pact slots worth 5 points each into filling up the sorcery points up to the cap of say 7? Most caps in DnD say that you can't have a resource above it obviously but then say nothing about the PC needing to be exact. Take overhealing HP for example: Sure, you can't go above max HP by getting healed by a heal greater in size than your missing health, but we all understand that it will just top you off, rather than ruling that people have to heal the exact amount or otherwise it isn't allowed.

0:27 [inhale] "God said he'd teach me karate" This *never* fails to make me burst out loud laughing

Truthfully, I LOVE the idea of this being possible, in-universe. D&D's magic is so specific and weird that the idea of there being game-like loopholes in the rules fits really well, especially since it was canonically set up by Mystra, who was just sort of doing the best she could, and ESPECIALLY especially since this kind of thing has supposedly happened before. Wizards in the lore find all kinds of bizarre unintended consequences to magic, like lichdom, or the entire hellish arc that was Karsus' Avatar and the Spellplague. 'S cool. Still not gonna allow it at my table. Or, more accurately, I *MIGHT,* but the lack of proper rest because you're spending all your time constructing infinite power instead of sleeping is going to result in terrible, terrible things.

@chriswarr641

8 ай бұрын

Paranoid Cocaielock's ramblings: If you don't sleep for a week the shadow people will come for you... They have only been staring at me so far, but no one else can see them... Every day they come a little closer, I fear what will happen when they are close enough to touch me...

My favorite way to reign in Coffeelocking is to require the caster to roll a Wild Magic surge every single time they cast a spell while they have spell slots over their normal amount. Yes, even cantrips. Their body isn't supposed to be able to handle that much power, and the more they accrue 'extra' slots the more I like to find ways to portray their bodies struggling to handle the excess. Wild Magic surges, randomly transforming lower-level spells into higher ones in ways that aren't always cool ("Your Firebolt flares with unexpected, uncontrollable power and becomes something far more than you were anticipating - I need Alice, Carol, and Dave to roll Dex saves against Fireball"), and otherwise make their magic misbehave unpredictably. You wanna play with UNLIMITED POWAH, all righty - but it ain't gonna be easy.

@KitNeedsCoffee

2 жыл бұрын

*This* unless someone is attempting to break the game such as performing a irl-time one hour combo that let's them instant kill anything that isn't literally immortal, then it should be allowed. However, the DM should do anything in their power to balance it. Turning their exploit into something that's actually unfavourable due to potentially damaging themselves or others in the party make it so that the DM never actually prohibits the fun, but instead makes it not a valid strategy. Afterall, the point is not to win but to have fun & the scenario you proposed sounds like it would lead to a lot of unexpected & whacky scenarios which is fun.

@zoneco9013

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly dont think coffeelock really needs much nerfing. You can only cast 1 spell per round, and you are basically stuck with just 5th level spells + it takes so many levels to come online that by the time its fully functional you're gonna have a significant disadvantage in firepower.

@kjadfhgioaudbfvilaeu

2 жыл бұрын

That seems fair...

@TheGreyKami

2 жыл бұрын

I love this, if I ever get a coffeelock, this right here is what I'm referencing

@finalfantasy50

2 жыл бұрын

coffeelock is a better wild magic sorcerer than the wild magic sorcerer, great houserule

I know this would probably cripple the CoffeeLock, but Tashas New Features for the Ranger could be useful here. Deft Explorer, which replaces Natural Explorer, gains at Level 10 the ability "Tireless", which allows to reduce the Exhaustion level by 1 after taking a Short Rest.

@Kevinx6

2 жыл бұрын

...interesting. I like it. Alternately, moon druid is an option too. If you take it to 10 for elemental shapes, you can stay an elemental while you constantly refresh wildshapes over short rests since they're immune to exhaustion. New weird dilemma of whether you can be tired after you shift out of a tireless body though. Also gives you greater restoration access though if you end up needing it

@lukenator115

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kevinx6 both of these are great options, as greater resto can get expensive at 100gp a day. The idea of using elementals is good but it depends on how you're affected on the switch back

@hinamiravenroot7162

2 жыл бұрын

Just play a ranger at that point

@matthewcoyle4131

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds like a hilarious way to balance it. "I have unlimited magical power!........ However it cost half my levels in Ranger." Would be pretty funny in a high starting level campaign.

@lukenator115

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcoyle4131 actually, 10 levels is a really good spot to multiclass out of ranger, as it starts to drop off. Having the coffeelock playstyle allows your ranger to always be alert, capable, and charged up to fight - you only need 3rd level slots anyway. It's quite a good concept for a high level character

So I recently played in a one shot in which we were told to - and I quote - “bring the most overpowered, broken multiclass build for 16th level.” I was going to take CoffeeLock, until I spotted the thing in Xanathar’s Guide about exhaustion - which I think was put there specifically to nerf this build. I also realised that it’s less good for a one shot, as it takes about a day to “spin up”. I eventually went for a MoonBarian instead - another classic multiclass build that uses Circle of the Moon druid mixed with Bear Totem barbarian to be a basically immortal tank. It was pretty fun, especially because we were playing with high-level builds which you typically don’t get to play as.

@entropy11

2 жыл бұрын

I played a moonbarian in a recent game. You are such a crazy hit point tank it's pretty hilarious.

@pearshaped9116

2 жыл бұрын

Recently they changed the elf trance feature to allow elves to long rest in 4h meaning it’s much easier to run because you can long rest and spam out 4 short rests in 8h safely

@recon441

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus what was your DM throwing at you?

@hotscottrulz

2 жыл бұрын

@@recon441 I believe it was a journey into another plane to hunt unicorns, with a bigger Uber-unicorn as a final boss. Pretty fun, really.

@recon441

2 жыл бұрын

@@hotscottrulz That's so funny, our most recent uber deadly fight was capturing a unicorn 😂 albeit she was super roided up

If you pick the Eberron version of Warforged, you are immune to the effects of exhaustion. This makes the coffeelock more plausible

@FormerRuling

Жыл бұрын

7 months late but to clarify this refers to Wayfinders Guide to Eberron UA. The official final release in Eberron Rising from the Last War removed the line about being immune to rest exhaustion (likely to prevent exactly this).

@CritHit

Жыл бұрын

@@FormerRuling I mean, that, and because Frenzy barbarians, lmao.

@chongwillson972

23 күн бұрын

@@CritHit yeah, because Frenzy barbarians are SSOOOO powerful.

I love how your characters act like the personally know these various D&D legends, like Xanathar and Blackstaff. Because, realistically knowing the MaGenks, they probably do

*GOD SAID HE'D TEACH ME KARATE.* Dude, that line made me snort so hard I accidentally wasted $200 of my finest Greater Restoration.

I would have figured that you could never have more spell slots than your maximum number as per what it says on the Spell Slots section of a class's table, and that Flexible Casting just existed to refill expended slots, but reading the actual Spellcasting ability it never says that you CAN'T somehow have more than 4 1st-level spell slots, so RAW I suppose this does indeed work.

@CloudyDaze

2 жыл бұрын

I just went back to read flexible casting and I came to the same shocking revelation. I just thought Coffeelocks were an easy way to refill to maximum

@plazma0325

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, but then pure sorcerers can stock up on spell slots over time for slower infinete spell slots! If we assume that long rests dont reset it, then sorcerers can just use up their sorcery points at the start of a long rest to make more and more abundant slots! Take a 3d level sorc with a week of downtime. Thats 7 second--level spell slots that they can just keep! Forever!

@gaberielpendragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@plazma0325 Long rests very specifically do reset spell slots.

@crunch1216

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it says the created spell slots disappear at the end of a long rest

@zacharylona

2 жыл бұрын

Upcasting low level spells isn't usually that great, and you don't have access to higher level spells, so *in moderation* this isn't horribly broken. However, a DM that doesn't like leveling up the party very often can end up with a coffeelock who has a bunch of 5th level magic missiles ready to ruin his day.

If you have the black dragon mask from hoard of the dragon queen you get 1 legendary resistance a day (it even says per day not per long rest) If you somehow (though incredibly unlikely) can obtain said mask you can auto pass your exhaustion save every day

@adaelion3772

2 жыл бұрын

seems a waste of the resistance.

@davidmccall4024

2 жыл бұрын

Not for infinite power

@vindiesel6695

2 жыл бұрын

Alternatively the lucky feat for low level

@davidmccall4024

2 жыл бұрын

@@vindiesel6695 yeah

@Alreeshid

Жыл бұрын

@@vindiesel6695 A reroll isn't quite the same as "I pass a DC60 saving throw by choosing to".

The Xanathar rule really feels like a patch job, given that it's specifically stated to be for sleep derivation, but using these rules a creature can sleep more than 90% of the time and never long rest. Sleep 7 and a half hours, then go for a nice 30 minute run, really work up a sweat. Long rests can only include light activity, so this breaks that. Then just do it again. Using the Xanathar rules, chaining these together could kill a creature from not getting enough sleep, after sleeping over 22 hours a DAY.

@kikrotin

2 жыл бұрын

Play an elf then, your long rest duration is just 4 hours.

@SybilantSquid

2 жыл бұрын

If you read the breakdown, the typical 8 hours of a long rest consists of 6 hours of sleep and 2 hours of light activity.

@borofreak

2 жыл бұрын

(part of the Long Rest definition) "If the rest is interrupted by a period of strenuous activity-at least 1 hour of walking, fighting, casting spells, or similar adventuring activity-the characters must begin the rest again to gain any benefit from it." It's just a technicality, and does not refute the statement from Manic, but it's useful to remember. A single fight during a LR does NOT screw it up. It does mean people can be surprised and might want to reconsider their choice of campsite however. While obviously there's *no way* a single fight can last 1 hour, so my idea is that if you have one fight, and then another fight that happens any time during the LR that's more than 1h after the first one, then you say "you've fought for more than one hour" and that's when the LR is reset. Two fights within less than one hour (or even more, for that matter) are totally okay. Why? Let's say a battle does not allow you to properly sleep or rest for the following X minutes (w/e) as your adrenaline is f-ing with your system. This is too long. Bye.

@Jpteryx

2 жыл бұрын

@@borofreak My interpretation is that "at least 1 hour of walking" can interrupt your long rest, and "fighting, casting spells, or similar adventuring activity" can also interrupt your long rest.

@borofreak

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jpteryx I get it, but punctuation is a very important beast in rules, so in this case there should have been an "or" after that: "at least 1 hour of walking, [or]…", because otherwise that 1 hour currently refers to all other activities besides walking. However you feel like it, of course. You (I assume) are a DM for a reason :)

This reminds me of rules about the positive energy plane where you explode if you have too many hit points from the healing the plane naturally gives you. The DM could just have them make increasingly high CON saves (regardless of wether they need sleep) or explode in a fit of wild magic

@Ki113r210

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's a perfectly awesome way for a gm to validate this. Say sure, you can do a coffeelock, but if/when you fail your con save against exhaustion, you expend all your saved up slots as wild magic. This also prevents the celestial pact abuse, because the restoration only cures the effects of exhaustion, it doesn't prevent the save itself

@randomstuff1019

2 жыл бұрын

This is my opinion on it too. Still allows the power of a coffeelock (which can only cast lvl 5 spells) but makes it not totally broken

@seigeengine

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually an interesting concept with a slightly less cartoony twist. A positive energy plane that heals, causing new tissue growth in organisms at full health, effectively causing uncontrolled tumor formation. The organism would eventually become simply a mass of positive-energy sustained tumors growing infinitely, the deepest layers gradually getting compressed into a non-living state, as the top continues to grow upwards forever. Eventually some of the tumors may develop into organisms resistant to positive energy, creating an always-growing plane of flesh filled with alien creatures adapted to survive in such a world.

@ultatack6020

2 жыл бұрын

@@seigeengine all fun and games until someone casts banishment on the ground.

@seigeengine

2 жыл бұрын

@@ultatack6020 That's an interesting situation, actually. For example, what constitutes a creature? At some point I'd argue that this mass of living tissue does not constitute a creature, so can not be targeted. Otherwise, you might argue that, because of rapid tissue growth, and mutation, it actually constitutes many individual creatures. So maybe banishment wouldn't work. Or maybe it would work, but only on some abstract lump of the plane. Or maybe you might rule that you can only banish the parts of the organic tissue within the 60 ft radius of the spell. But then, does this tissue constitute being native to the positive energy plane, or still constitute some other plane as it's home? AKA will that mass of tissue pop back into the positive energy plane after the spell is over?

"God's gonna teach me karate!" Is just a perfect line

Hey Zee, I'd be really interested in a short series following the misadventures of the McGenk brothers as they terrorize the many planes of the D&D world. Like why they decided to be evil, and all the fun things they get up to as a result of that.

0:30 “A coffewock lurks”

If anything the coffeelock provides better story telling for a warlock patron. Imagine them being able to supercharge a sorcerer to make them competitive against wizards, but the way they do it is a tactic that requires some high risk to the overall of the sorcerer. Imagine what having that many extra spells does to a magical creature whose body hasn't reached that threshold yet. Exhaustion kind of makes sense. But if you go with divine sole or celestial pact, you can get lesser restoration and use that to condition your body for the power load you're taking on.

@ShiftyMcGoggles

2 жыл бұрын

also, more spells = more wild magic checks = more wild magic surges

@Neutral_Tired

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShiftyMcGoggles only if you're a wild magic sorcerer

@jacobfreeman5444

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue that such overcharging should confer a permanent rebuff if they keep at it for too long. As body and soul becomes strain from their magic addiction.

@agilemind6241

2 жыл бұрын

If I had a player want to do the coffeelock thing at my table, I would totally have them roll on the wild magic surge table (even if they were Wild Magic Sorcerers) at increased rate for each day they go without sleeping.

@thecookiemeister5374

2 жыл бұрын

No no no, Soul. Divine Soul is a sorcerer subclass. Divine Sole is… something weird people worship. Dont mix them up!

Lock: I! FEEL! NO! PAIN! Me: Is that a spell? Lock: NO, IT'S THE COCAI...

@ultatack6020

2 жыл бұрын

MORGAN IS THAT YOU?!

My experience with a Coffeelock in the party came a few years back...when WotC AL gave out their christmas freebies for characters, which included an expendable item that reduced short rests to 5 minutes...the party was level 5 and a bunch of drow were quite surprised at the end of the adventure where we all shrugged and dumped all of the items in repeated short rests because they expire in real time and we were on the last day they'd be valid. Drow got a couple 9th level fireballs to the face there.

The Mcgenk family is truly diverse. We got wizards, sorcerers, warlocks, and multiclassing in-between! This is between a whole.. 4 people so relatively impressive.

The man resurrected himself so he wouldn't have to rest.. Legend.

I almost made my tiefling a coffeelock. Instead, he’ll be a GOO warlock who multiclasses in artificer. Yes, when the time comes, I WILL make him say “Parry this, you filthy casual.”

Interesting to know that there is a mechanical penalty now to not doing long rests; I don't remember that being a thing back when I played. (Though the DMs I played with always made us have our characters sleep when appropriate anyway.)

Dax'thuu Druid: "What is Billy doing?" Fighter with a Revolver: "The DM said that he'd allow the Coffeelock to work since Secrets of the Dax'thuu doesn't add much for them." Billy: *Ascending into the ninth dimension*

Damn, magic shotgun hammer? Yes please

@Delphineas

2 жыл бұрын

"Standby-ready." "BLASTER THREE!" "DIVIIIIINE!" "BUSTER!"

@nuclearattackwombat8390

2 жыл бұрын

"Parry this you filthy casual!"

Hilarious and a very well done video , as always. "Reddet" killed me. I remember discovering this while reading the rules. (I was looking for legal ways to break the game) I lost my marbles when I saw the tweet confirming it's almost legal. That was way before the celestial patron was introduced. And that cursed Xanathar. Never stop doing what you're doing Zee! You're the best d&d youtuber. (Don't tell the others pls)

@damianwilson8974

2 жыл бұрын

*Re’d ‘hi-ttt

@ANDELE3025

2 жыл бұрын

Xanathars didnt change anything but add a requirement to use a race that doesnt sleep: "A long rest is never mandatory, but going without sleep does have its consequences. If you want to account for the effects of sleep deprivation on characters and creatures, use these rules."

@OzixiThrill

2 жыл бұрын

@@ANDELE3025 And as the video has pointed out already, rest and sleep are different mechanics.

@ANDELE3025

2 жыл бұрын

@@OzixiThrill And the exhaustion is part of sleep mechanics because it only effects creatures that need sleep in the first place as per the text itself: "but going without sleep does have its consequences".

@OzixiThrill

2 жыл бұрын

@@ANDELE3025 That's flavour text, not a mechanical description.

I'm imagining this exhausted strung out twitchy wizard half out of their mind from being up for a few days straight and ready to crack open a mountain. By god I can't believe that it isn't more common.

I think coffelocks and cokelocks are really cool, the only thing I change is that nowhere does it say (or make much common sense) that you can take 8 short rests to replace a long rest. Like short and long rests are identical in terms of activity other than the duration. So if you wanna do this build I say go for it, it's very flexible and interesting but you get 1 short rest while the party is long resting

@Jpteryx

2 жыл бұрын

Then sleep for 6 hours (one short rest, plus it fulfills your need to sleep), cast cantrips for an hour (preventing you from getting a long rest), and finally rest for one more hour (a second short rest). For the rest of the day, you can chain short rests by resting for an hour, then jogging a lap around the camp or whatever, then resting another hour, etc. I don't think this is a *good* way to play, but it is legal within the rules. "A Short Rest is a period of downtime, at least 1 hour long, during which a character does nothing more strenuous than eating, drinking, reading, and tending to wounds."

@OhNoTheFace

Жыл бұрын

@@Jpteryx Sounds meta gamey at that point, which then just gets a no

@chriswilliams-px3ul

Жыл бұрын

You're not replacing your long rest though, you just have 8 hours to kill so you're taking 8 individual short rests instead of a long rest, you still get none of the benefits of a long rest and any of the downsides of not taking one You could argue though that 2 back to back short rests is actually just one 2 hour short rest (there is no limit on length for a short rest) so maybe you can only get 7 short rests in Personally I would prefer my DM just say "no I'm not letting you do this" than try to bend the rules to say I can't

@nolader28

Жыл бұрын

"... it's very flexible and interesting but you get 1 short rest while the party is long resting" m-m-m-monster cringe!

2:25 No shut up: Zee you just made my next character! Mr. Coffee: A Warforged Sorcerer/Warlock who can supercharge himself but is prone to malfunctioning, pushing himself so that his arcanely powered mind overclocks and starts to hallucinate whenever he chains his slots together too long.

@josephperez2004

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me he has cooking tools integrated into him and literally brews coffee and other caffeine suffused food and beverage.

@Groovebot3k

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephperez2004 What would the point be otherwise, my friend? The longer he goes without resting, the more he smells like burnt coffee too... his resting rituals likely involve vinegar brews and meditation.

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

@@Groovebot3k This is an abomination of beauty and grace.

1:03. "Yes, please leave frame." That cracked me up for some reason.

Okay guys, hear me out, what if you just kill the coffelock? But seriously, rules as written, flexible spellcasting never says that you lose the additional spell slots from dying or being raised from the dead, so if you die from exhaustion or intentionally kill yourself and then a buddy casts reincarnate, you come back with a new body and therefore no exhaustion. The best way to make this work is if you also take 3 levels in barbarian and take path of the zealot, meaning that the reincarnation is free. If you rule that the raise dead spell brings you back without exhaustion or that dying from exhaustion removes exhaustion from you, then you can also take a level in wizard to learn contingency, take the divine soul sorcerer subclass for raise dead, make a contingency to cast raise dead on yourself, and then do it alone. Of course, you would also need to have enough levels as a spellcaster to get 5th level spells.

@carbonmonteroy

11 ай бұрын

it doesn't say that because of course it fucking doesn't - you just UP AND DIED. "it doesn't say this outright" doesn't mean it should fucking have to - YOU DIED. YOU WERE DEAD. Death don't play no games. Any DM worth their salt would shoot this shit down.

@ntony4377

3 ай бұрын

Turns out, being raised from the dead only reduces exhaustion by one level. =/ (Basic Rules and/or PHB, Appendix A: Conditions)

Read all about this build on reddit, and the guy had a really decently crafted argument as to why it should be allowed; passed it by to my DM who was running a hardcore survival game (no rez, no conjuration magic). We were part of a military organization as a unit of new recruits with like 160+ NPC's. In the first "week" of game time alone, I was able to cast cure wounds to keep Everyone that didn't die from an encounter at tip-top shape (was playing a Changeling Medic masquerading as a Warforged). It was so insane, I realized if I got access to third level spell slots (i.e., FIREBALL), I was gonna wreck this dudes campaign. Talked with the DM, he agreed to kill me off. Was a lot of fun to playtest and pilot the build, I think if I were to try to "fix" it and allow it in my own campaigns, i'd go with Gritty Realism on the rest rules; 8 hours to take a short rest, a week In Town to take a long, along with Volo's exhaustion rules.

@kagato23

2 жыл бұрын

I was given that by one of my players. After admittedly spending a day trying to figure out how to not allow it, I realized the book only says pact magic can be used to cast other classes spells and vice versa. Pact magic can’t convert to sorcery points, so that is that. You can still make an insomniac if you want, but he won’t be a god.

@ntony4377

7 ай бұрын

@kagato23 Pact Magic and Spellcasting both generate "spell slots," and by the Rules As Written it is very clear that the spell slots from either Pact Magic or Spellcasting (whether sorcerer, paladin, arcane trickster, whatever) can indeed be used by the sorcerer's Flexible Casting feature. If a DM doesn't want to allow it, they don't need to spend a day trying to deliberately misinterpret the rules; they may simply say "No," or perhaps "No, because I don't trust you, I think you're a selfish sack of crap motivated only by the desire to outshine the other players in our group, instead of contributing to a memorable narrative." Kudos to that first commenter for working together with their DM & the rest of their group to maintain a fun story, even after discovering that the build didn't work well for their campaign.

This is amazing! For any DMs who enjoy being challenged by their players, and enjoy challenging them within the rules and without DM Fiat: The rules on Short Rests ACTUALLY say they take "At Least 1 Hour Long," meaning that a Short Rest could take more than 1 hour to complete for any number of reasons.

@ParaisoFlower

2 жыл бұрын

This is how i run it. 8 short rests in 8 hours? No. One 8 hour short rest.

@kagato23

2 жыл бұрын

@@ParaisoFlower if it took 8 hours, it’s a long rest.

@ParaisoFlower

2 жыл бұрын

@@kagato23 ah, but my coffeelock player prefers to think of it as 8 short rests, ergo 8 pact slot refreshes. By calling it a long rest, it opens the door for him to take 7 short rests and just cast prestidigitation for an hour. I nip that in the bud.

@kagato23

2 жыл бұрын

@@ParaisoFlower if he doesn’t long rest , he takes exhaustion. Sleep or no. But 7 short rests in a row means he really did take a long rest, slots reset.

@TheLangenator

2 жыл бұрын

Just rest for an hour, then jog a couple laps around the campsite/inn, then take another hour rest.

Some clarification: Warforged *do* work, but only for the unearthed arcana versions, the others are vague and up to the DM. As well as this, despite being able to move spell slots and sorcery points back and forth, there is no mechanical way to achieve spell slots higher than what being a full sorcerer would give you, as you can only have so many sorcerery points at any given time. Oh, and celestial warlocks are also the most preferable subclass for both the reason you gave and for cure wounds; you can’t long rest and hit dice are limited, damage you take cannot be healed indefinitely by rests alone. EDIT: I got it wrong! All races and abilities that remove the need to sleep in fact also work, as Xanathar’s guide to everything lists that it is only the sleeping, not the long resting, that a lack of will cause points of exhaustion. Sorry for my confusion and thanks to the savvy people who pointed this out!

@wigiboo2228

2 жыл бұрын

If you take the meta magic adept feat you gain two sorcery points. You start of with 3 and when you get the feat you get 5 total, so you can get higher level spell slots than should be possible, buuuut weather you'd be able to control that level of power or if you'd cast fire ball on yourself is a different story

@plazma0325

2 жыл бұрын

@@wigiboo2228 but you cant create higher level slots than those you have can you? Iirc the wording is "regain/regenerate a spell slot", not "make a new one"?

@Sophie-Pilled

2 жыл бұрын

i noticed when taking a good look at sorcerer that it did not mention being unable to create slots higher than what you normally would have at that level, and i figured the same thing. However, at level 6, you have 6 Sorcery Points, and access to 3rd level spells at highest. It costs 2sp to make a 1st lvl, 3 for a 2nd, 5 for a 3rd, 6 for a 4th, and 7 for a 5th. So, at level six, you have enough sorcery points to create a temporary 4th level spell slot, along with being able to create a 5th level one early at 7th and 8th level. Plus, casting a spell that targets one more creature than usual, or does 1dWhatever more damage than you normally would be able to at the time, to me, falls in line with what meta magic does anyway. Hell, for a lot of spells it wouldnt be worth spending ALL of your sorcery points to upcast a spell by 1 level, minus a handful of spells. For those reasons, i firmly believe that you can, but it is ultimately up to your DM. I asked the one hosting my current game if he would allow it, and he said no. I disagree with his reasoning, but it's ultimately up to him, so I would just allow it in any game i DM, and see how it goes. However, I would say that you could not cast a 4th level SPELL (like Banishment) at level 6 since you havent learned that spell. Only upcasting.

@Mr1991bbk

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, you can get the results with Aspect of the Moon tome invocation. It specifically states that you can gain the benefits of a long rest without taking one. This means that, when you can take an 8 hour break, regain everything like normal, and still have the spell slots. This is due to the fact that Aspect of the Moon specifically states that you only get the benefits of a long rest.

@Kevinx6

2 жыл бұрын

@@plazma0325 surprisingly, it's a created spell slot mechanically, not a restored one. Nothing written prevents you from using flexible casting immediately after a long rest to create new spell slots. Also there's no limit on the level of spell slot you can create except that it can't be above 5th level. Via Twitter, Crawford has confirmed that a 6th lvl sorc can spend all 6 sorc points to create a 4th level spell slot, and a 7th lvl sorc can spend all 7 points to make a 5th level spell slot. Both points in time where you can create a spell slot you don't have access to normally.

Zee's videos are never long, but they are the quintessence of quality over quantity.

I've wondered how OP this really is. Assuming you need divine soul 9 and warlock 3 for greater restoration and Aspect of the moon (or warforged, but that's campaign specific) to get truly infinite spell slots, then you spend a bunch of downtime. So you're character level 12. What have you got? - infinite 5th level slots for sorc spells (and later warlock spells) - no higher level slots You can restore your HP with spells, but you can't regain any other long rest features. There are some nasty monster debuffs that last until you have a long rest, so just remember that long rests have plenty of benefits. Meanwhile a 12th level wizard still has a lot of spell slots, and they've just accessed 6th level spells; they're gonna get 9th level ones eventually, which you won't. Point is, coffeelock might still be broken, I'm not sure, but I don't think it's quite as obvious as "infinite spell slots means infinite good".

To do CoffeeLock without any need for interpretation, play an Elf. Elves get the same benefits of 8 hours of sleep by meditating for 4, so you could Long-Rest, then chain 4 Short-Rests while everyone else is still in bed. Warforged still have to sit motionless for 6 hours as their Long-Rest, so you'll only get 2 Shorts out of them. Sleep and Rest aren't different because the book describes Long-Rests as sleeping and Short-Rests as tending wounds and reading so Aspect of the Moon does work (but you have to go Warlock 4: Pact of the Tome to get it RAW unless your DM doesn't mind you getting it early as an intended build). Lesser Restoration doesn't heal Exhaustion RAW although I agree that it should. But I personally love the coffee lock, even if it did give you infinite spells you still only get to cast 1 per turn. You don't get 16 Spell Slots. The Sorcerer page has a chart about how much different spell slots cost to create in Sorcery Points (SP) and only Warlock Slots regenerate with a Short-Rest so the amount of SP you get depends on your Warlock Levels. A level 2 Warlock has 2 Slots of 1st level that can convert to 4 SP per Short-Rest. Using the Elf version with 4 Short-Rests that gives you 16 Sorcery Points. That only converts to 8 1st level spell slots with no SP left for meta-magic. That's a lot more magic but its not 16 spell slots and its not anywhere near "infinite".

@madhippy3

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you and your players are having a good time. A coffee lock would drive me up the fucking wall.

@godsamongmen8003

2 жыл бұрын

I agree mostly, but sometimes you have to say no to a player who may otherwise have a min/maxxed character that massively outshines the rest of the group. The real problem is when only one player at the table wants to do it.

@josephperez2004

2 жыл бұрын

@@godsamongmen8003 Which really goes back to the core of the whole game: It is meant to be fun for EVERYONE. If someone is doing something at the expense of consistently making things not fun for one or more people in the group, it's a problem. Now maybe it's not their intent to make it not fun, but it at least needs to be addressed. This goes both for the DM (who in most cases is investing more time into creating and running the game than the rest of the group combined) and the players (who are all taking time out of their own varied and often conflicting schedules to take part in the game). Everyone should feel they are getting their time's worth for playing, because if they aren't then they may just decide their time is better spent elsewhere.

@Stormthorn67

2 жыл бұрын

As a player I'd hate to play alongside one. It ruins the fun is 99.9% of the party's power is concentrated into the Punpun that the DM let tag along with the otherwise normal group. I've been in that group. It isn't ideal.

@ANDELE3025

2 жыл бұрын

Id say reverse. RAW when properly abused gives a lot of classes options similar to otherwise far simpler but more effective builds. After all 5e is essentially just 3.5 with 90% of the noobtraps and feat taxes removed and numerical bonuses/penalties traded for advantage/disadvantage. Doesnt help that """official""" RAI is often stupid. Like being unable to twin a transmutation spell that only transforms one target because the new form or abilities can effect others despite only targetting 1. Or that contagion doesnt work like it did in EVERY EDITION SINCE 1st (which is a errata i still dont use because erratas as per Wizards own wording are in fact, optional).

I was wondering if the Cocainelock caveat would come up. I should note that you can get someone else to cast it on you so you can still do it with any pact if you have a Cleric/Druid in your party.

@richarddarma1452

2 жыл бұрын

Creation Bard is the best at this because by the time you get greater restoration, performance of creation already fills the material / gp cost. So no need to keep spending gold

@lucasramey6427

2 жыл бұрын

@@richarddarma1452 the bard drug dealer and the cocainelock sounds like a great adventure

one of my dms allow coffee, tea, ect that reduces tiredness and restores spell slots with the catch being your not really resting but tapping your limits and will need a long rest or your character will crash, plus we get to role-play coffee/potion/ect addicts talking about our addiction of choice, hitting all the shop comparing prices, paying attention to plot events spectating how its going to effect coffee prices and so on :D

"The coffeewock lurks" slayed me ^w^

Wait, would having a Divine sorcerer as the base before the warlock cross-level mean the character could still gain access to greater restoration, since it's on the cleric spell list, and thusly learnable by divine soul sorcerers?

@mme.veronica735

2 жыл бұрын

The way preparing spells works is that you need to be able to cast that spell with soley the class you're getting it from. This is mainly to prevent a 1 level dip into Cleric giving complete access to the cleric spell list. So a level 2 Sorcerer level 5 warlock could only have 1st level sorceror spells prepared.

@stammesbruder

2 жыл бұрын

You still need to be able to learn the spell first, so if you have at least 9 level in the divine soul sorcerer, you can learn greater restoration.

@Shadowrunner123

2 жыл бұрын

@@stammesbruder So if the 10th level is warlock, then I have the ultimate coffeelock?

@mme.veronica735

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowrunner123 That's why Celestial Pact/Divine Soul coffleelock sorcerors are called cokelock sorceror. You need that sweet sweet expensive white dust (100gp diamond dust to be exact) to cast greater restoration.

@GrimmerPl

2 жыл бұрын

@@mme.veronica735 "That bag full of extremely expensive white powder? It is for my casting, I swear!"

You know, with the coffee-lock doesn’t Xanathars throw in the the Catnap spell? Third level spell but then you turn short rests into 10 min power naps

@android19willpwn

2 жыл бұрын

catnap is only once per long rest. It's a good support spell for warlocks if you can find someone to cast it, but it doesn't substantially change the coffeelock power level.

@magma90

2 жыл бұрын

Tasha’s adds the genie patron which does something similar

@josephperez2004

2 жыл бұрын

@@android19willpwn Well, in the case of a Coffelock, if your build includes going up to Sorcerer level 5, you can have access to the spell yourself.

@beornwagner1

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephperez2004 Doesn't matter if they have it, they can only *be affected* once per long rest, which they aren't taking any of.

I actually encountered this. I gave the spell slots a “Fizz” chance of 30% and he couldn’t hold onto the spell slots for more than a few hours. (Capping the amount he could realistically get) And eventually a champion of Mystra started hunting down the party for breaking the rules of magic. Fun times

"I'm sorry to break the news." has become part of my daily lexicon.

Who needs sleep when you can have spellslots?

"*long snort* God said He'd teach me karate" absolutely destroyed my lungs and abs dude, oh my GOD-

2:03 is why I’m sub’d. This kinda golden fuckery.

Me: "I'm gonna drink that magic potion!" DM: "You don't even know what it does." Me: "I do it anyway!" DM: "Make a con save." Me: "... nat 1..." Also me: 0:25

@antitheist3206

Жыл бұрын

**snrrrrrrrrt** GÖD SÃÎD HÈ'D TĒÅÇH MÊ KÂRÀTË

To be fair, there are other reasons why sorcerers and warlocks are the go-to combo: both use arcane focus (rather than a different spellcasting focus), expanding limited spells known, bonus proficiencies. Really, i just think a warlock mutliclass fixes the problems that sorcerers have and outright leaves the sorcerer 20th level ability obsolete (since all you need is 2 levels in warlock)

@rpgchronicler

Жыл бұрын

Also eldritch blast shenanigans w/ sorcery points, bonus if you toss in a magic missile.

@ntony4377

3 ай бұрын

Yep, although to equal the sorc's 20th level feature -- 4 sorcery points per short rest -- it's 3 levels in warlock.

I've always told my players that I hold the power of the Retroactive Veto. They can play whatever they want if they can make a solid argument. On the other hand, if it starts breaking the game then I can and will adjust rules to nerf you mid-campaign up to and including a forced Respec.

Thank you for putting your paid add at the end. Actually watched it. Actually considering buying it.

“A CoffeeWok lurks...”🤣

I played the Artificer Alchemist recently and realized that 1 level of Warlock dip would let you be a BrewLock, and make 8 potions (some of which cast things like bless and Alter self without concentration) every time the party takes a long rest. Artificers also eventually get Greater Restoration on their spell list and become Crackificers. A 17 Artificer/3 Warlock gets 2 days worth of Greater Restoration and make 16 potions every downtime (which grant 2d6 + your Intelligence modifier of temporary hitpoints when drunk). A better build might actually be 17 Artificer/2 Warlock/1 Wizard, as warlock doesn't count as a caster for multiclassing. With one level of wizard you gain another Greater Restoration, a bunch more spells, ritual casting, and one more 1st level slot per day (not long rest) from Arcane Recovery.

@blobjorn3248

2 жыл бұрын

I want to play this

@InSearchOfScience

2 жыл бұрын

@@blobjorn3248 Glad you liked it. I actually have optimized this to an even stupider level since writing that comment. 9 levels of Artificer gets you to 3rd level spells, one of which is Catnap (take a short rest in 10 minutes for a 3rd level spell slot). I think you can see where that is going. With at least 5 levels of Warlock you get 3rd level spells back on a short rest. If you spend all day chaining Catnaps you can take 6 naps per hour which becomes 144 naps (1 potion per nap) in a 24 hour day. If you take the Warlock to 11th level and have a celestial patron then you never have to sleep (greater restoration) and can pump out a little under 288 potions every day. You could give free healthcare to everyone on the continent at that rate. I would never try to actually play this in a real game because I'm certain my DM would call bullshit, but I do think Alchemist is the most underpowered of the Artificer classes, and doing a more toned down version of this build is a valid way of making it viable.

@extralongbaguette8880

2 жыл бұрын

@@InSearchOfScience You can only catnap once per long rest, it says so in the spell description

@InSearchOfScience

2 жыл бұрын

@@extralongbaguette8880 Wow, can't believe I missed that. Honestly, I'm not even upset. Anyone actually seriously trying to pull that level of shenanigans would approaching some Punpun level bullshit, so I'm glad the rules are different than I thought. It also makes me feel less guilty if I ever try doing a toned down version of this build.

Finally something to allow us to break d&d... Muahahahahaha

@quinnmccann2576

2 жыл бұрын

ah yes because there’s never been that before

@autobotCRSHR

2 жыл бұрын

@@quinnmccann2576 also, love how they never touched elves in this as they don't sleep

A pleasure to see your videos as always

Oh my gosh I love to humor in this! The smite animation where he was reloading was amazing.

I'm now considering doing a really weird build and I love it. Between 6-10 Genie (Dao) Warlock and 10-14 Clockwork Soul Sorcerer. Greater Restoration built in, convenient short resting place regardless of what your party gets up to, resistance to Bludgeoning which is pretty common, access to entombing yourself in stone if your genie item isn't available. Depending on how the 10 minute short rest thing is ruled THAT could get really interesting. Clockwork Soul also grants abilities that take advantage of copious sorcery points and a suite of free spells up through 5th level. Snag a magic related feat to add in healing if you want. I was thinking of doubling down on some Strixhaven to get healing and an advanced familiar. Imagine like a partially machine genie man, the earthiness of the dao kind of ties it together. Alternately, consider using a cuckoo clock as the genie item and being the big crazy bird that comes out of it. The increased periods of rest followed by extreme magic activity kind of tie in with a sort of balance or order too, arguably. So that's neat.

Regarding the XGTE rules killing coffeelock, the relevant section (part of a subsection titled 'Sleep') is as follows: 'A long rest is never mandatory, but going without sleep does have its consequences. If you want to account for the effects of sleep deprivation on characters and creatures, use these rules. Whenever you end a 24-hour period without finishing a long rest, you must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or suffer one level of exhaustion.' So, if you only read that second sentence, it would break coffeelock as you describe. However, taking in to account the title of the section and the previous sentence, they are clearly using 'finishing a long rest' as a mechanical marker for getting a 'good enough' night's sleep. Therefore, it is reasonable for abilities that remove a character's need for sleep would also negate that rule (which is optional in the first place!), since those characters by definition cannot suffer from sleep deprivation.

@Greywander87

2 жыл бұрын

This. The rule is _about_ sleep deprivation, and it's an optional rule, so it doesn't make sense to apply it to someone who doesn't require sleep. The way it's worded clearly equates sleep with a long rest, even if it never actually calls them out as being the same thing.

@numb3rc

2 жыл бұрын

First second is fluff, second is crunch. "Whenever you end a 24 hour period without finishing a long rest" is not ambiguous.

@Greywander87

2 жыл бұрын

@@numb3rc I don't know how you can saw that. It makes it pretty explicitly clear that (a) this is an optional rule, and (b) you only use it if you want to simulate sleep deprivation. That rule is merely _how_ sleep deprivation is simulated, but you obviously wouldn't simulate sleep deprivation on a character who doesn't require sleep. Instead of trying to twist the rules to say what you want them to, it's better to acknowledge what the rules say and create a houserule to "patch" the issue. Simplest is usually the best: just say you can only create _expended_ slots from sorcery points.

@MagicScientist

2 жыл бұрын

@@numb3rc The first paragraph is definitely not fluff. It is at the very least giving crunch about resting mechanics. 'A long rest is never mandatory' is crunch about resting mechanics in general. The second sentence gives two pieces of crunch. First, that the rule that follows is for simulating sleep deprivation, and second that it is optional. For comparison, let's consider the rules for suffocating in the PHB. They state that: 'A creature can hold its breath for a number of minutes equal to 1 + its Constitution modifier (minimum of 30 seconds). When a creature runs out of breath or is choking, it can survive for a number of rounds equal to its Constitution modifier (minimum of 1 round). At the start of its next turn, it drops to 0 hit points and is dying, and it can't regain hit points or be stabilized until it can breathe again.' That's it. Notice that nowhere does it say that these rules don't apply to creatures that don't need to breathe, it's implied by the context. Similarly, the rule in XGTE about simulating sleep deprivation is implied to not apply to creatures that don't need to sleep. If we follow your logic, this would mean that races that don't need to breathe could still die of suffocation in a vacuum or underwater, and creatures that don't need to sleep could suffer from sleep deprivation.

@pearshaped9116

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greywander87 regardless of what the ambiguously worded description says, the mechanic is VERY clear, don’t long rest? make a save

I just had the most brilliant idea on how to use coffeelocks. In my world, there are vehicles and spaceships and such that suck magical power from the pilot to use. It could be a relatively common thing to have a coffeelock who forced a wild Magic awakening and captured a demon/elemental to force a pact with, and now before a trip they just don’t sleep for as long as they can hold it to build up the power for the ship.

A 15th level alchemist friend allows to ignore exhaustion! Remember you can make your DM cry better, *together.*

Party: Wow you just saved us with all those spells you fired off from your patron what did it cost? Coffeelock: *Turns to face the party with sleep-deprived eyes "Everything"

My old housemate loved this concept, he called 'em Sorlocks. I found it to still be more or less balanced because while you do get pact slots on a short rest, and can convert them to sorcery points in order convert them back into regular slots, you're still losing half because it's 2 sorcery points to a single level 1 slot (+1 for each level above it, except for level 3 and above, which for some reason costs an extra point just to make it more confusing). So a level 10 character of 8War/2Sor would be able to convert all their short rest slots of 2 4th level into 8 sorcery slots, which is enough for 4 first level spells, or a single 4th level with 2 sorcery points spare. However, because of the Sorcery points rule of "You can never have more sorcery points than shown on the table for your level." That means at level 2 you can only get 2 points from a 4th level warlock slot, which means after breaking down your 2 level 4 slots, you can only get 2 level 1 sorcery slots. Not very worth it at all. If you have more levels in sorcerer to increase the sorcery point limit, that just means you have less in warlock, and thus lower slot levels to grind down. So you'll need a balance to be feasible, that and/or it's more of a late progression class combo. 2War/8Sor = 1 x Lvl1 p/short 5War/5Sor = 3 x Lvl1 p/short 8War/2Sor = 2 x Lvl1 p/short At the very least, if a player tried to abuse this by taking all those multiple short rests in order to bolster themselves with power, I think the being that game them power would see this as unreasonable theft of power or betrayal of their bargain and so there would be... repercussions.

@morganpetros9635

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if you're going to be using all your warlock pact slots to create sorcery points, you *NEED* to be putting most of your levels into sorcerer, not warlock. A warlock8/sorcerer2 who tries to be a coffeelock is going to be completely useless.

@supersmily5811

2 жыл бұрын

Note: Sorlock is actually a more general term to describe multiclassing Sorcerer and Warlock. It is NOT a term specifically for Coffeelocks. The term Sorlock likely exists mostly because of the already broken nature of the multiclass even without Coffeelock (There are other combos, most notably involving Eldritch Blast, Invocations, and Metamagic, that by themselves already make the multiclass option quite broken).

@torsegundo637

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. I saw the opening for this months ago on my character, but quickly figured out the math doesn't work out to equal UNLIMTED POWA due to the max sorcery points limiter. At best you have a handful of slots for low level utility spells, magic missile or shield.

@MagicScientist

2 жыл бұрын

This is true for when you are out on an adventure, but the idea is that if your campaign has downtime in between dungeon delves, you are using that time to build up spell slots. For example, it would be very reasonable for the party to take a week in town doing crafting or other downtime activities, and so the coffeelock is just locked in their inn room chain short resting and pooling power. Then if it ever runs out, they can still long rest and be no worse off than a regular sorlock (that is to say, still very good)

@seeker0fate

2 жыл бұрын

@@MagicScientist If you spend a week without sleeping you'll probably be around exhaustion 5. So the build gets a little more complicated. Xanthars says a DC 10 constitution saving throw to avoid a level of exhaustion after 24 hours of being awake, and the DC goes up by 5 for each additional 24 hours.

great, iv missed the short vids, nice job

“God said he’d teach me karate” made me lose it

"God said he'd teach me karate" Is the hardest I've laughed in a long time, many thanks!

I havent seen anyone mention it here, but with Tasha's officially changing Elves' Trance to a 4 hour long rest, taking a long rest and then 4 short rests in the time it takes for your party to wake up is totally kosher

Just now realised the table is a mimic, well done Zee!

Great video man,keep it up, Hope you and yours have a happy safe Christmas, Looking forward to your work in 2022.

Just finished a campaign as a coffeelock. It was a "gritty" campaign so 8hrs rest was a short rest and a week resting was a long rest. Made my warlock playable and I learned about it from you. Thanks. I love your videos, even though they take longer to make

I think the interaction of Warlock/Sorcerer being able to restore sorcerery points and exchange pact slots for different level spell slots is pretty cool, but the whole exploitation of Coffeelocking is unhealthy at most tables. Most of these players don't want extra spells for better party support, they normally just want to spam Eldritch Blast.

@craigkuhlman6869

2 жыл бұрын

Eldritch Blast is a cantrip, but I do get what you're saying. It's likely just Fireball spam or other such nuking that isn't really much beyond "dice go brrr"

@nolader28

Жыл бұрын

Hey I'm gonna use mine to spam silvery barbs and shield

lol, an actual lol, the delivery at the end, when I suddenly understood! bravo!

This is still my favorite of this guys videos.

It's cool, but I can not imagine any DMs who would allow such a build

@PieRaGa

2 жыл бұрын

i was going to outright ban it in my games because it makes handing out short or long rests at all a questionable actions as a dm due to letting a player do this makes them stupidly op. this kind of build strikes me as people trying to force "main character syndrom" in letting them have all the magic ever. what i ended up doing is i tell a player that wants to do this 2 things 1. chained short rests are NOT a long rest and you WILL take levels of exhaustion if you try and 2. your warlock spell slots can ONLY be used for casting spells and warlock class abilities

The simple solution is to rule that a sufficient number of short rests constitute an amortized long rest. From personal experience with biphasic sleeping, this seems to be the case, maybe a non cumulative con save after X short rests to avoid nodding off enough to constitute a long rest amortized over several short rests. This has other benefits for adventurers

@daleanddale

2 жыл бұрын

What number of short rests would you put it at? 5? 8?

@Lantalia

2 жыл бұрын

@@daleanddale Somewhere between 8 and 24. 8 or less and you have effectively eliminated 'normal' long rests. 24 or more and it's getting into abuse territory. A good heuristic would seem like 'however many short rests you consider normal during a day, plus eight', but this is all squarely in DM territory (without even being house rules), as the base things are in a section that explicitly suggests that they are at most suggestions, not hard and fast rules

@daleanddale

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lantalia how about 8 but you have to take an actually long rest to recover hit dice and things that can only be recovered by long resting. As this is only a problem because of how Sorclock abuse it. Sorlocks should probably just be banned.

Zee, love you man, please keep posting even if it's literally the shortest shit ever about very explored topics.

I appreciate the subtitling. It's very helpful!