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@TheGoosMan

2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@pearlrival3124

2 жыл бұрын

ok, so you somehow think it was legal for them to run his i.d.? sure wish the lawyer would weigh in and put you in your place.

@holysmoke8439

2 жыл бұрын

In his country they would have shot first

@JamesLJesus

2 жыл бұрын

Your last weeks video was so poorly researched all your other videos are in question.

@truthseeker8123

2 жыл бұрын

John Bad Elk v United States, provides justification to resist tyrannical law enforcement and government officials with any means necessary. Love to see that. Doubt there are modern cases of relevance, but you asked

I sleep soundly knowing the dumpster police are out there, making sure no one throws their garbage into a dumpster that isn’t theirs. Thank you dumpster police.

@rexman971

2 жыл бұрын

Sooner or later with all the bootlickers you will have toilet police.

@shadowphoenix5055

2 жыл бұрын

Right

@Skud0rz

2 жыл бұрын

Next time the guy is gonna just throw his trash onto the side of the road since there's less chance of being hassled for it

@schneipierre3358

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!

@joshdavis3743

2 жыл бұрын

I am curious, should the cops enforce all laws, or only the ones they agree or deem important?

“It’s not just your property” So you agree it’s also his property.

@joshsmith7176

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he treats his wife and children like that at home when they throw trash in his garbage can.

@FangsIAm

2 жыл бұрын

It was explained in the video that the reason for insisting on this was cause he might be a tenant, but with no access to the bin since it might have been limited to some of them.

@joelb1299

2 жыл бұрын

It's not his property. It's leased, so he is a tenant.

@rileysfreeman

2 жыл бұрын

@@FangsIAm you really trying to stand on this hill? Lol

@FangsIAm

2 жыл бұрын

@@rileysfreeman uhm?

This Lawyer has learned the golden rule that you never volunteer information to police officers, as they will abuse the information and your rights.

@merimkastrat5846

Жыл бұрын

ID is only “information” needed, which is what that lawyer did. When I got pulled over once, I only needed to show my ID once, no other information required. If I was in that lawyer’s situation, I’d be really confused. I will also feel uncomfortable to the point to just stop cooperating, because I dont feel safe.

@elvickRULES

Жыл бұрын

And if you don’t they will abuse that fact and your rights. No winning.

@mikeveis6393

7 ай бұрын

They're not police officers, they're SS soldiers of the American Gestapo

@agentrex_adventures

3 ай бұрын

@@mikeveis6393 yikes...

I feel so safe knowing there are cops out here stopping crime like this

@SweetPoisonvich

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@fleasy4393

Жыл бұрын

If you think public dumping is beneath police enforcement, don't bother to complain if your business or residential dumpster is repeatedly filled by someone else's trash.

@fatfurie

Жыл бұрын

@@fleasy4393 police NEVER stop illegal dumping.. hence the fucking issue of illegal dumping.

@judechauhan6715

Жыл бұрын

@@fleasy4393 My brother in christ it's his dumpster

@ClarityDetermination

Жыл бұрын

Enforcement is one thing. They knew he wasn't surrendering his ID. They checked themselves after he stated he's a lawyer.

The lawyer did everything he could to make the jobs of the officers as easy as possible and those officers still could not help themselves..

@andreperry7995

2 жыл бұрын

U are right about that.

@5thnovemberscrivener634

2 жыл бұрын

Old habits die hard

@Damitsall

2 жыл бұрын

That's why you don't ever give your papers to the blue line nazis.

@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0

2 жыл бұрын

@@Damitsall lol, settle down.

@SILVER_QT

2 жыл бұрын

@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 Settle down for what speaking the truth lmao

How would running his ID help them determine he had permission to use the dumpster?

@joshdavis3743

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't. It is to check for warrants, or to see if he is on parole or probation.

@jonathanhains814

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshdavis3743 because taking out the garbage is a parole violation.

@joshdavis3743

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanhains814 I never said it was. He gave him the ID. They didn't compel him to.

@r2b2ct1

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshdavis3743 He gave his ID to prove the business card he gave is his. This should be enough to dispel any suspicion of illegal dumping. He was clear that he was not surrendering his ID for a warrant check.

@joshdavis3743

2 жыл бұрын

@@r2b2ct1 Yes, but what you and so many fail to understand is that when you surrender your ID you have no power to stop a warrant check. No legal, or physical power.

Honestly felt anxious for this man when he went into his car to grab his business card. People have been shot for less.

@Denji_Muzan-Jackson_Deku-Might

Жыл бұрын

Keep stoking them flames bud. I'm sure things will get better with folks like you to keep bias alive and well. 🤡

@baileymcgee7688

Жыл бұрын

Yeah me too honestly

@craigoryrobie5676

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@john2g1

Жыл бұрын

Same... Sign of the times.

@willowkay

Жыл бұрын

Yea, he was so quick and confident, idk if that helped or not... Without saying what was going on I felt a bit on edge haha. Not as much since the police seemed chill as well, esp when the cam swapped over. But quickly moving completely out of view definitely felt like they would have had plausible deniability for some escalation... Glad they didn't abuse that.

Its a completely understandable concern that next time he's pulled over and his plates are run, the cop will see he was investigated for illegal dumping vs he has nothing on the record at all.

@mefilmmaking

Жыл бұрын

Oh ok this ordeal makes a little more sense to me now.

@PastorIhaza

Жыл бұрын

Great point

@dismalthoughts

Жыл бұрын

They wouldn't see that information pulling up a report during a normal traffic stop. Depending on the software they're using, they *might* be able see other stops performed by officers within the same agency, but not anything related to stops from another agency. And even if they can see other stops from officers in the same agency, getting at that information takes a lot more time/digging and is not something that any officer does during routine stops. There's really not any sort of negative consequence that could befall him by letting the officers run his information unless he has an active warrant out for his arrest or a criminal record that might inspire harassment (e.g. if it shows up on his record that he served time for stealing a police car, you can imagine that might change the tone of the interaction). Generally having a criminal record won't factor in so long as it's not directly related to the situation at hand (e.g. if he has a criminal record of illegally dumping trash, then they might press more to figure out if he has permission to dump there). I doubt he has trash related violations, but as a lawyer, it's _feasible_ that he might have been arrested in the course of arguing with a hothead cop about a client, and such a record _could_ inspire harassment from another hothead cop. Not super common, and I wouldn't expect that to be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were, either. Some people just take it way too personally and get offended if officers even remotely suggest that there's a chance they might have a warrant out for their arrest 🤷‍♀ But if your child gets murdered, the person is at large but ID'd, and the officers let him go because they didn't run his ID during a routine stop, those officers would be considered negligent. Some people have the mindset that if something is a legal right, then their liberty is being assaulted if you suggest any behavior to the contrary. e.g.: since it's a legal right to cuss out an officer, it is tyrannous to even suggest that they might consider being civil. Since you have a right to silence, asking a citizen politely to talk to you is a "violation" of their rights. Fun fact: if everyone takes that mindset, then few crimes, including any perpetrated against you, will ever get solved because justice relies heavily on freely volunteered information. But whatever, you just do what you can to make sure everything's on the up-and-up, investigate what you can in good faith and within your legal right to do so without violating anyone's rights, and let people have their soapbox if they feel like it. We *all* need people on their soapbox every now and then just to make sure we're all living up to our best possible potential 🙂

@BenedictMHolland

Жыл бұрын

I never understand these assumptions. He might have a warrent. Why? He probably doesn't. Why try to ID him? Why try and write down his name? What more could he do?

@truthbespoken333

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!!!

As soon as the officer said "you can keep doing what you are doing" that right there tells me there is no suspicion of anything anymore and they should have just left the scene.

@davefb

2 жыл бұрын

5:16 "no one said you were violating a law".. Isn't that the end of all discussion!? In the the old days, I suppose they'd smash out a tail-light.....

@honeypot-pd2oc

2 жыл бұрын

of course , i wish they could be forced to earn their pay. taxpayer arn't paying them to be assholes

I think it's hilarious that cops act like they know the law more than lawyers. One has to go to school for many years to learn it. The other has training for many weeks

@robv5834

2 жыл бұрын

Depends what the lawyer does. I took the bar over ten years ago. My criminal law and procedure are not near as up to date as my knowledge on the civil matters I handle. That being said. Cops don’t know law, then enforce what they are told. That’s why they can be wrong as often as they are.

@goodwillhunt6613

2 жыл бұрын

Completely due to the gentleman's skin color. If it was the district attorney, they would've like the gentleman's boots.

@bryanbale

2 жыл бұрын

"cops act like they know the law more than lawyers". The officers were completely within the limitations of the law, this has nothing to do with who "knows more" about the law.

@02REESE

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryanbale you sound like a cop. It's absolutely about knowing the law. They're sworn to uphold it and citizens have to know some of it so they aren't lied to/about and jailed for no reason.

@paulvandervelden4087

2 жыл бұрын

in this case they clearly do, because this lawyer offered up things and talked to them when he had no obligation to do so.

The officers’ grade is shamefully high. As soon as the initial suspicion was dispelled, they had no reason to look for warrants or whatever bullshit they may claim.

@BiggerFatterBlog

Жыл бұрын

The pigs there were there to screw with a black man. And when they found out he was a lawyer they knew they were screwing with a black man that had about 70 more IQ points than the two of them combined so they went all pigs 🐷 thug on him.

@kratosGOW

Жыл бұрын

@@ginxxxxx It’s called “scope”. If the initial reason for the encounter is promptly dispelled, the cops have no authority to do anything else. That applies in lots of legal subjects such as warrants. If the police have a warrant to search your house but not your car and they search your house without finding anything only for them to then search your car, even if they find anything incriminating it would be dismissed in a court of law. That’s how it works.

@kratosGOW

Жыл бұрын

@@ginxxxxx Wh… I’m not saying that US cops don’t do that almost as a reflex. I KNOW they do. My point was that they LEGALLY do not have the authority to do so! I guess YOU missed MY point about LAW-enforcement officers to follow the fucking LAW!

@kratosGOW

Жыл бұрын

@@ginxxxxx It is not legal. That’s the point. He gave his ID in order to de-escalate the situation because from their point of view he very well could have been littering. That should have been it. The fact that we expect them to go beyond the scope of investigation is a testament to the fact that we tolerate abuse of power.

@kratosGOW

Жыл бұрын

@RandomInternet User It is illegal to dump trash in a dumpster you do not own or have legal access to. Since they didn’t know he had access to it, they suspected he didn’t.

13:34 "Offering the officers more information than what they're asking for is almost never a good idea." This is a huge take-away from this video. So-called "good will" gestures on the part of the citizen can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion. Police officers are often saying things like "You seem hyper nervous" to pad their justifications in the court room. Thank you for making this statement.

"Here's my business card and ID" That should have been the end of it

@HealingHappyAli

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! At the end of the day they found a man using a dumpster; not throwing 1990's electronics and old tires in a forest, not disposing of body parts in a dumpster, just an attorney who offered ID without obligation on his property not their's. Yet, they couldn't just thank him and walk away.

@TortoiseCashFlow

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@kennethkotelo893

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't have given him my ID, I would've given my business card

@stevenp25100

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennethkotelo893 then you would have been in the wrong

@kennethkotelo893

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenp25100 I don't mind showing my ID it to the cop but I won't let him take it out of my hand.

Once they established that he was a tenant in the building, their reasonable suspicion evaporates.

@timothyevans1803

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t have reasonable suspicion in the first place. They didn’t know who owned the dumpster.

@StewPedassle

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothyevans1803 Disagree. Yes, they should have just gone on about their day once he showed his ID, but there was a reasonable suspicion. He was taking trash from his vehicle to a dumpster on commercial property. That reasonably appears to be a potential violation of the law that merits investigation. You would be correct that there's no suspicion if what they saw was him walking from the building or only passing by his vehicle with a trash bag because that provides no reasonable indicia of illegal dumping. Further, regarding documentation, I think it would be reasonable for them to document the interaction in a report or diary (as opposed to something more formal), but that certainly does not require a warrant check or running license information in any way. "We spoke to Mr. Olawale" or even "we confirmed the individual was an attorney with offices on the property" would be a sufficient on the off chance that the building owner does complain to them about illegal dumping, and I think most people would have no issue with that.

@natlegend

2 жыл бұрын

But he was black, so they are obliged to bait him so they can justify an arrest.

@robertadams8192

2 жыл бұрын

@@StewPedassle It would really depend on a number of things. Like how far dumpster is from building and if he was on his way home. Why carry garbage past vehicle if there was no need to!

@MadAudi

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertadams8192 Most commercial buildings put their dumpster out of view and away from the building. Offices..… are not food joints. Restaurants put their dumpsters close. No assumptions on what type of place you’re used to working at. Just hoping to help you think outside your box.

The last thing I heard the officer say on his body cam as he got back in the vehicle was, "Alright, just turn around and get outa' here and then we'll look him up." This sounds like they actually did run him needlessly. Most officers just do what they want because there is no punishment for doing anything wrong or violating you rights. Qualified immunity is the same as rights violations using different words.

@craigoryrobie5676

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@tomraineofmagigor3499

7 ай бұрын

They say it's for paperwork but they reality they're fishing

It's a shame that real crimes are being committed while they are wasting time escalating this is ridiculous

@Shiro_Amada

Жыл бұрын

That would require work, much easier to find someone who will just roll over.

I can finally sleep soundly knowing that dumpsters across Ohio are so well protected! Meanwhile in downtown Cleveland….

@zindi1138

2 жыл бұрын

idk man there is that one dumpster..i dont like the look of it! i told my cat !

@3sellers3ful

2 жыл бұрын

Right! I was in willowick for 2 years and the dumpsters near my building would have an animal jump scare feature. And the people from down the street would dump in there too

@sanaruarts5527

2 жыл бұрын

These cops are pathetic.

@themfingmfer

2 жыл бұрын

@B00 050 Which I’m sure someone would do in broad daylight. When they are easily recognizable and unapproachable. Special Ed, huh?

@Brianlikescars

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh this is Westerville, his first issue was being a well off black man.

I'm admittedly disappointed that 'Audit the Audit' made little to no comments about the officers saying "Alright let's get out of here, and then we'll look him up" despite Mr. Olawale lawfully requesting they not run his ID after providing sufficient evidence to dispel any reasonable suspicion.

@r.b.hyrule249

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not illegal to look up people. What they should have done is record his name as they were talking, let him go, then look him up to avoid irritating him

@Dethmegadeth

2 жыл бұрын

He also didn't show the rest of the clip where they run his ID.

@bobbyhempel1513

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 is illegal for law enforcement officers to use their powers for unlawful reasons they have no lawful reason to run this man's ID.

@SiriusMined

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 actually, it might be, and ATA literally mentioned when that would be the case

@jaimhaas5170

2 жыл бұрын

They did have lawful ability to run him since they were doing investigation. They had probable cause that was already established. As a "tenant" he may also have been in violation of his lease if that trash was "personal" and not business related. It is highly unusual for someone outside of business hours to be using dumpster for what is CLEARLY his personal trash.

The audacity to argue with a lawyer when you already know you're wrong

This allows police to interrogate everyone that is putting out their trash on trash day. That sounds like a law designed specifically for the invasion of privacy.

"I rent the offices here." "Ah. Okay then. Sorry to bug you." "No problem. Have a good day, officers." "You too, sir."

@TheEtbetween

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point

@sahirdamani1264

2 жыл бұрын

If only

@albicela4003

2 жыл бұрын

And just prove that he does, that’s all. Because anyone could go to any dumpster and say they rent the offices near the dumpster, which he did!

@havocdudeman2925

2 жыл бұрын

@@albicela4003 doesnt really matter, its mountains better than throwing the garbage on the ground. like who actually cares if it wasnt his, even though it WAS his.

@glekaz8849

2 жыл бұрын

@@albicela4003 it’s a dumpster lol why must you people try to regulate everything?

This poor guy. He did everything right and still got unlawfully detained

@zip7275

2 жыл бұрын

He was never detained at any point.

@andrewosier614

2 жыл бұрын

​@TheHolyDiver Exactly. And even if technically he wasn't detained, any reasonable person would be under the belief they are if an officer doesn't return or refuse returning the ID immediately when requested. As mentioned here 7:20

@nooneyouknow699

2 жыл бұрын

@@zip7275 how well would it work out for him if he started to walk away. Not very well. Don't be dense

@bighands69

2 жыл бұрын

@@zip7275 SO you believe they would allow him to walk away?

@adjackson6017

2 жыл бұрын

@@zip7275 in the literal sense maybe

The best comment goes to the narrator: “Giving the police more information than they’ve asked you for, is almost NEVER a good idea.” He should never have offered up his I.D. He showed them his business card, that along with (if necessary) pointing out his law office, should have been enough.

@meganega123

Жыл бұрын

Everyone who has been in his office probably has a business card of him though

My goodness, they can't even dump their trash, without being harass. Like wow.

Running someone's ID after it's been established that the person did/is doing nothing wrong and is free to go is a "fishing" exercise.

@malof7514

2 жыл бұрын

a business card is not proof of anything anybody can create one saying whatever you want. the only thing the police knows is the guys legal name.

@EngineScypex

2 жыл бұрын

@@malof7514 And by running his ID they will know exactly 0 things more regarding the relation between the trash bin and the lawyer. Also he offered them to show them his office.

@fredjones7705

2 жыл бұрын

He could have fake IDs out the ying yang. Who knows? He could be filling dumpsters all over town and even across the state line. That would bring in the FBI. Better to just be a liter bug and keep the Feds out of it.

@Hexcede

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredjones7705 None of which is reasonable or within the scope of the thing they were actually investigating. In other words the entire contents of your comment is meaningless.

@fredjones7705

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hexcede I suppose that I'll have to make my sarcasm more juvenile next time. Then maybe you'll unserstand it.

The officer's last statement of "get out of here and then we'll look him up" shows that getting his name wasn't about dispelling their RAS about the dumping at all. Police are obsessed with running everyone they come into contact with through their system. Mr. Olawale had a legitimate concern about maintaining his privacy. Even if the police let him go, his name is now in their system that they confronted him about possible illegal dumping.

@Dowlphin

2 жыл бұрын

Pokémon Police

@letsgobrandon7567

2 жыл бұрын

yet ATA still gives the cops a B- even after knowing the cops ran him for warrants with no reasonable suspicion. Bad grade once again.

@amigajoe1

2 жыл бұрын

Cops want to ID everyone, even though they legally can't. A big component of policing is working strategies to get around legal/Constitutional protections. This guy made it easy for them: 'Here's my license. but don't run me!' Naive, especially for a lawyer...

@AlternativeHomesteading

2 жыл бұрын

They receive a bonus for placing innocent citizens on a watch list.

@mkhartnett

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlternativeHomesteading I'm sure you have evidence of this?

Love the channel. It's refreshing to see an impartial view and videos that call out both sides of interactions when they are wrong. Also the fact that you clearly spell out the law and rights of citizens in each video. We need more content that educates and less that just breeds hate. Keep up the good work. (Side note the edit was for typoneese. I need to spell check and grammer check before I hit post. Lol. Peace)

@michaelccopelandsr7120

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

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“Ok, you can finish dumping if you like” - they really do believe they give us permission to do every thing. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

@Brindlebrother

2 жыл бұрын

Can't a man dump in peace xD

@THETEMPLEWILDCATS

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brindlebrother 😂😂😂

@NB79032

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Or they tell you you "can" leave and then get mad when you don't. Free to leave is free to stay!

@seanrallis6714

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. My response to that would have been "Excuse me? I have a right to dump here, you don't. You are the last person I need permission from. Kindly go harass someone else."

@gladfam8967

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanrallis6714 exactly!

If they found out the guy had a right to dump there, then that's where the interaction should have ended.

@Skizzy461

2 жыл бұрын

Hammers looking for nails. If they can't find one they'll pretend one is there.

@r.b.hyrule249

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah most likely he could dump there legally, but as stated in the video, it’s possible that the use of the dumpster was not in the lease agreement the layer signed. If it wasn’t in the lease agreement, or even if the agreement noted that tenants could not bring trash from off-property, then it would be illegal.

@johnpublic1068

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 to the point where officers take it upon themselves to enforce the coverage of a lease agreement without any complaint by the owner about that tenant, I think they have strayed far from typical law enforcement duties.

@joan1609

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 Except that still doesn't warrant running his ID. At that point they would need to contact the property owner for lease details, which they had no intention of doing. Leaving after confirming the lawyer had office space there was the appropriate response.

@jasonlongton1876

2 жыл бұрын

@@joan1609 What if it was the landlord who called the police to investigate? What if he follows up to find out who it was dumping on his property? What are the police supposed to say? That they didn't bother to actually investigate the call?

So, in summary, don't comply and possibly get murdered, beaten or arrested or comply and still get hassled, murdered, beaten or harassed. What a perfect legal system we have.

@newman0311

Жыл бұрын

Literally none of those things happened.....stop with the sensationalism bs.

@zappy_ne

Жыл бұрын

He never got murdered or beaten

@malahammer

Жыл бұрын

@@newman0311 The OP said "possibly" I guess you missed that ffs!

@icepick859

Жыл бұрын

​@@newman0311 happens all the time

@newman0311

Жыл бұрын

@Paul Furey get pulled over and POSSIBLY meet a cool guy. Anything is literally possible. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

He's so cooperative. There is no suspicion of illegal activity after the attorney showed his id and business card. Police were escalating this. Even if the dumpster is not his every tenant has use of the waste receptacle. Officers who have nothing better to do. Incredible.

@janetrogers4738

Жыл бұрын

@RandomInternet User He put his garbage from cleaning his car in the neighbors trash can likely to make sure evidence was not in his parents trash since trash by the side of the road is considered anyone's property.

@janetrogers4738

Жыл бұрын

@RandomInternet User they already had his dad's DNA and warrants obtained. I know when I clean my.vehicle I don't dump my trash in my neighbors garbage. Do you? The suspect is a criminology major so he knows trash by the curb is no longer your property and police can pick that up without a warrant. So perhaps he was hiding evidence.

This should've been over in under 10 seconds. "Here's my business card" "Ok have a great day, sir"

@highenergyv276

2 жыл бұрын

wrong. should be 0. who cares if someone is putting trash IN THE DUMPSTER. if he was dumping into the grass maybe.

@Hilco88

2 жыл бұрын

No i didnt kill my wife, here is my business card.

@flossietube2065

2 жыл бұрын

@@highenergyv276 That's kinda the way I feel too. I mean seriously, he's putting trash into the dumpster!!! We have to have laws on the books about putting trash into a dumpster??? This is long past ridiculous! What's next? Making folks register their bicycle?? At what point do we have way too many laws we have to follow? We should be encouraging folks to put trash in a dumpster as opposed to dumping it in a field.

@chaosryans

2 жыл бұрын

@@highenergyv276 a lot of places fine people that throw trash away without permission. Usually up to 500-1000 dollars. I've also dealt with places where tenants have separate containers and fight their neighbors over throwing away rotting food and loose garbage (not properly bagged) etc and having mess problems.

@bigbird4481

2 жыл бұрын

@@highenergyv276 it does matter because people could dump there own trash in a private dumpster to avoid needing to pay a service for it

I guess the lawyer figured once he showed ID he would be on his merry way. The issue is, sometimes you'll have officers like these who just don't have anything better to do, so they extend the interaction by trying to fish for something. Which is not only immoral, but illegal as well. The original reason of the stop was satisfied, anything else after was a waste of time and Taxpayers dollars.

@r.b.hyrule249

2 жыл бұрын

They did need proof that it was his name on the business card, not one he dug out of the trash

@chazdellwalker6912

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 They could see that the name matched on the ID when they read it when he gave it to them. They didnt need to write his name down on a paper so they could possibly run it later and come back if there was a warrant for him.

@mikep1530

2 жыл бұрын

Did they? His plates were clearly visible prior to the encounter. I’d bet the car is registered to him and they would have found that out in 5 seconds. Also, as a white guy, I’ve disposed of things in outdoor, private dumpsters hundreds, maybe thousands of times. Occasionally in places I technically didn’t have a right to do so (apartment dumpsters shortly after my lease expired, etc.). I’ve never once been stopped by police, or anyone else to verify my identity. Doesn’t seem like these officers had received specific complaints about illegal use of these dumpsters in particular. They were just fishing. This is what our complaint meant by “tone deaf” response by the department. There’s a lot of subtext that goes into a stop like this.

@zang9147

2 жыл бұрын

That's the bad side of human nature; when wrong, double down on being wrong.

@MrBeevee5

2 жыл бұрын

As a white guy, it is easy to tell they extended this "investigation" because he was black.

Thank you for posting!

Watching all your videos reveals one definate thing. After removing the detail Police just simply try to impose a level of elitism and power over people. Remember they work for us!

The officers: "prove who you are so we know you are not illegally dumping" Suspect shows ID. The officers "well, we don't actually know who owns the dumpster so now prove you own it"

@dubyah967

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point, if they got complaints about illegal dumping then I would assume someone would have asked who is allowed to dump there. They can't verify anything.

@BayX1337

Жыл бұрын

@@dubyah967 I don't think they even had a complaint about illegal dumping. I believe they just saw him using it, and assumed it was illegal. So they just sat and watched him and then pounced afterwards. Like they're sniffing out an arrest.

@insidetrip101

Жыл бұрын

I agree in part, and disagree in part. If you see someone pulled up next to a dumpster loading up bags of trash, that doesn't necessarily prove illegal dumping, but I think it is reasonable to investigate it further (otherwise, in what situation are you able to investigate illegal dumping?). Asking for an identification during a stop such as this is completely legal in Ohio. In fact, Ohio is a stop and identify state. If you don't like it, then you should advocate the law be changed. That's currently what the law is. Where I agree with you is that its not the burden of the lawyer to prove he isn't dumping . . . its on the officers to prove that he is. However, that by itself is justification for the stop, the procurement of his identity (given the law), and investigation into who owns the dumpster. The investigation into who owns the dumpster is not part of the lawyer's burden to prove, however, he did give a statement that he has a right to it. As a result, he gave his statement--a waving of his fifth amendment right. And where the officers went wrong is when they went forward with arguing with him about it. They should have left, verified his statement, and then either done nothing or issued him a citation based on whether or not he had a claim to that dumpster or not. So while a lot of the tension here could have been avoided, and the cops were throwing their weight around (which they almost always do), the principal of what they are doing is completely just and in line with the law--protecting personal property. Someone pays for that dumpster, and if that lawyer actually has a claim to it, he should be more than thankful that the officers are actually paying attention to illegal dumping into it. I wish more officers would pay attention to our dumpster at work, but alas. Yes, the enforcement of the law is an inconvenience to us all, but the inconvenience in this scenario is minimal and very useful for providing a disincentive for people who don't respect other's property.

@BayX1337

Жыл бұрын

@@insidetrip101 Wow that's long

@ClarityDetermination

Жыл бұрын

@@insidetrip101 it's not about not protecting important dumping areas. It is totally about being entered in a searchable database that is used multiple times per day for decades. Cops were lazy. They could have checked with the building owner to ask about the dumping permissions if it was really what they were trying to prove. No database searched every day is necessary because data entry is fallible and prone to human error and abuse.

I've been a commercial banker working in CRE lending for 32 years and as part of my work I review leases and have reviewed thousands of them over the years. I've yet to see a lease that didn't allow all tenants of a multi-tenant office that didn't allow the tenants to use the onsite dumpsters. The possibility that there is an exception to this in some lease in some part of the country is nearly 0.

@yanceytarver5101

2 жыл бұрын

that point ight there!

@yanceytarver5101

2 жыл бұрын

that point right there, oops

@thesheq5023

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen some that specify non commercial waste or some say business related

@santiagodraco

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesheq5023 since when is it the job of police to check lessee rights to dumpsters when the chance of the tennant not having rights to them is nearly zero?

@thesheq5023

2 жыл бұрын

@@santiagodraco never said it was. Just saying there are possible reasons

They probably made up the illegal dumping stuff. He's driving a nice car and THAT is most likely why they stopped him.

love how you walk through the whole video

I love when lawyers are dealing with police because they actually know their rights better than us and can actually speak up.

@tlangdon12

2 жыл бұрын

And this lawyer was a civil rights lawyer, so he will know his rights, and the ways in which the police can violate them, better than most.

@robertthomas1590

2 жыл бұрын

Well when citizens know their rights better than officers it’s even more ridiculous when they argue with lawyers. ‘What are you a lawyer’ why yes I am which qualifies me better than your community college degree

@brendancronin3796

Жыл бұрын

I've got no sympathy for lawyers cos some of them are scumbags ..

@harrythej9683

Жыл бұрын

@@tlangdon12 Oh, so that's the explanation for why he pulled the race card. Thanks for the clarification. It's sad to me that he went from top defender of his right to race baiter as soon as he got on Facebook.

@darkhobo

Жыл бұрын

@@harrythej9683 yeah calling out racist cops is race baiting...

I wish my town was crime free enough that TWO officers would stop someone using a private bin in an expensive looking car.

@didyasaysomethin2me

2 жыл бұрын

And in a private parking lot too

@NeoJSsk

2 жыл бұрын

exactly what I was thinking ... .like they absolutely need a job

@joshsmith7176

2 жыл бұрын

@@didyasaysomethin2me that's another problem I have is the private property thing. If it's private property the cops should have zero right to assume that he doesn't have the right to use that dumpster unless they got a call.

@TheDavcrz5

2 жыл бұрын

That Tesla SUV cost more than those cops make in year.

@hadi8699

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDavcrz5 I know if it was some cheap Honda civic I would be specious of some broke dude dumping his trash illegally but the guy in the vid looked rich. He don't need someone elses dumpster

Hey, that guy putting garbage in a dumpster looks suspicious.

'here's my business card and ID' 'Alright looks in order, good day sir sorry to trouble you.' Why is that so hard?

"My business is here. " "Ok sir have a great day we were just checking" Is how this should of went. Officers escalating the situation as always.

@r.b.hyrule249

2 жыл бұрын

They needed proof that it was his name on the business card

@TheRealCaptainFreedom

2 жыл бұрын

*have

@andrewvelonis5940

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealCaptainFreedom *gone

@icin4d

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.b.hyrule249 Yes. One glance to match names is all that should have been required.

@Eidolon1andOnly

2 жыл бұрын

*should've *gone. "Should of" is a common error due to how "should of" and _should've_ sound nearly identical when spoken out loud. Went is the past tense of go. Gone is the past participle of go. If you aren't sure whether to use gone or went, remember that gone always needs an auxiliary verb before it (has, have, had, is, am, are, was, were, be), but went doesn't. Since should've is a contraction of should _have,_ it should be _should've gone_ instead of _should've went._ Hope that helps. Have a nice day.

Get the hell out of here !! The chief of police investigated his OWN OFFICERS ? Definitely no conflict of interest there.

@miguelzavaleta1911

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly? It's at least something... In the vast majority of these cases, they just double down and say the officers never do anything wrong period.

@victorunbea8451

2 жыл бұрын

Police definitely need an overseeing body with investigative capabilities. Personally I think something like jury duty but to investigate cops would be better.

@yanceytarver5101

2 жыл бұрын

qualified immunity. translation ignorance is bliss when dumb runs from the top down!

@mikeoxlong567

2 жыл бұрын

"We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong"

@Gunship888

Жыл бұрын

Investigated for racial disparities, and they were found clean. Which is kinda true, they would’ve done this to anyone dumping trash. It’s happened to me at my work, and I’m white as Casper.

I love how it’s become illegal to litter but illegal to throw out trash as it’s all become private

It's the data that they're after, the secondary benefit for the cops is being able to 'command and instruct' anyone they want to.

The instant Mr. Olawale walked to the driver side door and opened it, my heart leapt into my throat. How sad is it that doing something so simple makes me fear for another person's life in a police interaction?

@xEvilRaptorx

2 жыл бұрын

Specially how he doesn't really say much, just goes to the door quickly and goes inside. They were ready to blast... understandably tho, if he came back out with a firearm ....

@ronjames4151

2 жыл бұрын

I was shocked the cops let him grab his ID and didn't threaten him

@Hear-MeoutTwo2

2 жыл бұрын

@Seth Krueger: That reminded me of the state trooper in SC when he stopped the motorist in the gas station. The driver had exited his vehicle and when the cop asked to see his license the driver quickly turned and reach back to get his license off the seat and the cop lit him up. I believe that cop got some time for it.

@Hakasedess

2 жыл бұрын

@@xEvilRaptorx Paranoia is in fact not rational

@angelvip2474

2 жыл бұрын

I was like 😳also

The gentleman just gave the police officer his card. The police officer can simply put the card in his pocket. There's no need to write down any information if his name and the suite number is on the card. These police officers steadily escalate the situation. In every occurrence they turn it into a illegitimate time consuming issue.

@rjh00

2 жыл бұрын

GREAT POINT! They already have his name from the business card and he gave them his ID which they can use to verify that the name on the business card belongs to the person they are talking to, so they could just put his business card in their pocket or in their book and write a small note "Spoke to Mr X at Y Time at Z location, regarding dumping into a container" and then later on should it turn out that he did something wrong or that they need to get more information on him, they could run his information at that time.

@jasonlongton1876

2 жыл бұрын

@@rjh00 The business card doesn't necessarily have so much information on it. To "run his name" they'd need information like his address and License number, stuff that isn't on the business card.

@rjh00

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonlongton1876 Do they? I thought just a name was already good enough, sure they might get a few people with the same name, but they should easily be able to limit it to their state/city and then limit it by age But in any case, they have his name, which they verified belongs to him, by way of his ID. If they need more they could just either go on the internet and look up his business and/or drive down to his office to get more information. Sure they would have to do a little bit extra work, but the guy was just dumping stuff, it's not like they suspect him of selling drugs or murdering someone. He isn't going to skip town for illegal dumping.

@enesnyc1662

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonlongton1876 But they don’t need to run him ! He gave them his card and told them if they want to see his office ! But cops always looking to mess up your life or cost u some money

@jasonlongton1876

2 жыл бұрын

@@enesnyc1662 You guys are making way too much of this. Lots of cities have an issue with illegal dumping, so it was reasonable to investigate. Asking for ID and to run his name isn't some horrible violation of civil liberties. I swear, some people just want to raise every police encounter to the level of a constitutional crisis.

@audit the audit I was walking my dog and an insurance adjuster at a job I was passing by was listening to you at the same time as me.

^6:45 I think you missed something important here. They have his name. They can complete their investigation to do a check without holding on to his ID. Keeping his ID to run it is detaining him at that point. They don't need to keep his ID to get his info, they should have listened, wrote it down, or realised it was on his card. Ah good, you got to it later.

Detaining a lawyer on his own property, and the whole encounter is captured on video…this will be entertaining.

@ShiestyShizzler

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao thats what im thinking

@rztrzt

2 жыл бұрын

It's not his property, he leases a suite from Shirck Properties LLC. That said he is legally allowed to be there.

@jaimhaas5170

2 жыл бұрын

I thought so to...but found it very disappointing. A big NOTHING.

@jaimhaas5170

2 жыл бұрын

@@rztrzt excellent point...and he may actually NOT have been allowed to put "personal" trash in that dumpster.

@samwell707

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t

I'm surprised you gave them such a good grade considering their last statements. Their insatiable desire to run everyone's ID regardless of an actual reason is disgusting.

@Cinicallyinsane

2 жыл бұрын

Any excuse to try and sus out a warrant

@patrickdaly1393

2 жыл бұрын

F- is a better rating! They have his name, the and property address on business card, his name on the license card... wtf more is necessary.

@jaredwilliams6853

2 жыл бұрын

“Let’s tell the civil rights lawyer we know the law better cause our six months of training” they figured out he was innocent in seconds when he gave them card and Id that he offered. Why do they think he is so suspicious he is a lawyer with his own law firm straight enforcing their ego.

@bobbyswain7049

2 жыл бұрын

Money grabbers

@Lo_B

2 жыл бұрын

i agree

The last statement by the LEO makes it clear they STILL ran a warrant check on him around the corner!?!!! That is NOT a B-, sir.

@ginxxxxx

Жыл бұрын

i really do not understand your point. are you from the usa? because i am, and if there is one think i know its the police ALWAYS run a warrant check because they collect money, its legal and it is normal, modus operandi, i.e. its the definition of the usa police. if you or audit the audit think otherwise post a video of the police no checking warrants as proof.

@jimbekind83

Жыл бұрын

@@ginxxxxx sorry bruh - don't need to post a video for you - use Google. My brother and his wife are deputies. As a privileged white dude, I've been stopped and interacted with LEOs in multiple states with no warrant check -- often because they don't even get my name to run. I'm no lawyer, but I HAVE in the past few years gotten a commanding officer of a small suburban police department to 100% erase a $700+ ticket that his officer issued me for a weird neighborhood incident (not traffic). Knowing your rights is critical. AtA does a GREAT JOB of explaining this, using cited case law AND a healthy dose of common sense about what a person's demeanor can expect in an interaction.

I just had to resubscribe to your channel after being subscribed for at least a year.

How would running this man's identification tell them that it's his dumpster? It's not going to tell them that, therefore it's absurd to use it as a justification for running it.

@josephschneider9

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't even do the bare minimum to determine if the tenants can USE the dumpster. They are investigation ...what exactly? Because from my opinion they don't even know if they could enforce it!

@harrythej9683

Жыл бұрын

True. While their excuse could have made sense, they basically admitted that they just wanted to run his ID in autopilot and just wanted an excuse. By letting it go, they admitted he was right. The lawyer had still no reason to suspect a racial incident, so it really bugs me he brought that up on Facebook. He did really well at the stop though.

@alexanderdomikis3337

Жыл бұрын

Running his id would give officers the info if he wasn’t a first time offender since breaking that particular no dumping law can lead to a trespassing change if done again on the same property seems kinda logical to me

@yourmum69_420

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderdomikis3337 that's really reaching. You know what sounds obvious to me? That these cops just love to run ID at any opportunity in the hope of catching wanted people, whether they have a reason to suspect someone or not. It's a form of mass surveillance. And they hate to be questioned

@allamericanslacker2378

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderdomikis3337 No. They had already established that he was renting office space in that building. Running his ID would not tell them whether or not he has legal access to that dumpster. They would need to see his lease agreement for that. The only purpose for running his ID at that point would be to see if there was anything they could arrest him for. They even said as they were leaving that they were going to look him up, despite there not being anything relevant to the encounter for them to look up.

Wait just a fkn minute. PROVING YOU'RE A TENANT DOESN'T PROVE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE DUMPSTER? Wtf do they need to do to prove that? Show them the lease? Completely unjustifiable.

@yanceytarver5101

2 жыл бұрын

that point right there!

@75ur15

2 жыл бұрын

You are assuming both fairness and intelligence...usually you get one of those max.

@hah3456

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same until I heard this guy explain Ohio’s weird tenant/dumpster laws. But whatever 99% of folk with common sense would just be like ok, have a nice day

@PaleGhost69

2 жыл бұрын

@@hah3456 Even with the weird tenant laws, they would still need to unjustifiably prove that without any reasonable suspicion or complaint. This is the same bs as assuming someone is trespassing who owns the home.

@hah3456

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaleGhost69 Yeah they suck and prolly bored on a power trip

I am impressed at how he handed over proof he was doing no wrong. This is exactly why I throw my trash on the side of the road and not try to find a trash can. Someone might own it.

This is the reason we need more police, considering how common dumping in the wrong container can be.

Good lord, we're arguing over a dumpster on a property the man rents.

@SayAhh

2 жыл бұрын

Next week: we don't know if the apartment you are renting has access to the community pool...

@b3mbeats905

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a dumpster on a property the man rents. Good enough for me. If the other tenants aren’t complaining about him then why is it such a big deal? Some cops just be petty asf. Gtfoh

@JB-sv5pr

2 жыл бұрын

Our police system is a joke The most corrupt gang in America the cops

@timothyevans1803

2 жыл бұрын

@@JB-sv5pr The US government is the most corrupt, the police may be sec?

@amkelle2

2 жыл бұрын

@@SayAhh Some tenants are banned from the pool

"that's a slick business card" "yep" he says. the man knows he has style, he doesnt need some chump telling him as much.

@chrisknoblock

2 жыл бұрын

Loved that. Yep, didn't need you two dummies to tell me that, I had it made cause it's cool.

@Alex.R.O.P

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Paul. Good to see you

@tokinGLX

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex.R.O.P aloha!

@netsider

2 жыл бұрын

How did "being overly compliant" work against him? I don't get that part. What would've got this guy an A+?

@chrisknoblock

2 жыл бұрын

@@netsider hard to say, giving up the license usually means you sit around waiting for them to run it. To your point, he may have had as much or more time wasted if he didn't give up the license. I think you make a good point, but this channel tends to err on the side of not engaging more then you're required to.

In Canada, the police do not go on to private property to see if anyone on the property is allowed to be on that property. For some strange reason, the police in the US are allowed to poke their nose around checking to see if people are " doing the right thing ".

Yeppers, I felt that him being a lawyer he should have known better than to give up his ID without even being asked for it. I'm glad it was a relatively calm encounter either way.

In order to avoid "suspicion of illegal dumping". The ONLY option would be to completely stop using the dumpster that you're paying for as a tenant. Because the act of simply being seen using it, is enough to be suspected of a crime. That doesn't make sense.

@andyfletcher3561

Жыл бұрын

It does and it doesn't. During normal business hours, you would be absolutely correct. You need to consider the totality of the circumstances though. That parking lot was empty, no lights on in any of the visible units. Since it was still light out, appearing to be mid day, that emptiness could indicate it was a Saturday, or even more likely, a Sunday. There were MANY factors that could reasonably arouse suspicion for the officers. The amount of trash, that he was pulling it out of his car etc. That said, showing them his business card should have been quite enough to dispel any suspicion. He never should have offered to show them ID as they did not ask, but when he offered it, which should have also served to dispel suspicion, all they should have done is match the name on the ID with the name on his card and said "Very good sir, have a nice day" and been on their way. I gave the officers a C- in another post, but thinking on it further, I'm lowering that to a generous "D". The officer's initial suspicion however was in no way nonsensical or unreasonable. A great many businesses/landlords/management companies have locks on the lids of their dumpsters and the doors/gates to those impound areas, and for good reason. Most refuse disposal companies charge exorbitant overages if the dumpster is over full, and many won't even pick it up at all if the lid won't close, even if they are just going to put the forks on it and dump it in the truck. To think for a second that random people don't put their trash in other peoples bins,cans and dumpsters rather than going to the dump or they have too much for their own service is naive at best. My home service company(the city actually) allows one 55 gallon can per account per week unless you pay for another/more cans. They don't pick up any loose bags next to the cans. They do have a "large trash pick-up day" once a month, mine being the first Wednesday of each month. No chemicals, has to be light enough that two people can lift it, sticks/branches have to be bundled in no more that 3 foot lengths etc.

@Patrickf5087

Жыл бұрын

In this case you can argue thier suspension, Empty lot Only car Dumping trash Now after proof of ownership, The only question is he dumping work related stuff he brought home? And has now no need of?

@andyfletcher3561

Жыл бұрын

@@Patrickf5087 I'm not usually one to comment on spelling or grammar, people that do piss me off actually when their point can be easily understood, so in that light, I'm assuming you meant to write "suspicion" rather than "suspension"? That said... Yes, after showing he was a tenant and who he was, whether it was his personal trash from home or elsewhere is really a matter between he and his landlord. My last employer was quite generous on that, so long as it wasn't causing us to pile trash because the dumpsters were too full to put the business' trash in, which makes the property look bad and in many jurisdictions could even be a code violation. Not to mention the extra time needed to clean the area up after the bin has been emptied. Time that could be spent making the company money. On the other hand, when I lived in an apartment building, were I to drive up in my work truck and start filling up the complex dumpsters with trash off of my job site the managers would very likely, and rightfully so, have a fit over it. The notion that the officers initial suspicion was unreasonable or nonsensical is from a "takers" perspective.

@Patrickf5087

Жыл бұрын

@@andyfletcher3561 I agree the officers had a reasonable reason to ask what he was doing, and after he proved he worked there and that yes it was his business card, personally I would have said "OK, good day, be safe" drove off. Any information they wish to gather could have easily been gotten from a simple phone call later. And if they where feeling really curious dug through the garbage to see what he was dumping. I'm sure doing that in a LAWYER place of business would cause all sorts of issues on its own.

@andyfletcher3561

Жыл бұрын

@@Patrickf5087 You and I would have handled it the same way. Further, without a specific complaint from the landlord there wouldn't even be any justification to go through the trash to see what was in it. That's a HUGE "nunya" as in none of your damn business LoL. I wasn't trying to argue with you or anything, just looking for a clarification because that use of "suspension" in context could be interpreted as this incident being grounds to suspend the officers. I didn't think that's what you meant, but I wanted either to be sure, or have you lay that out for me if it was what you meant.

I recently reported a crime with my local police department, I did so at the station, in what ended up being an electronically locked interview room. During the interaction I was asked for my ID. The officer stopped the interview and called my card in to run my name for warrants. I felt this was out of line, but I wasn't sure if it was actually illegal or not. After watching this video, I am still uncertain. Regardless, from the point of view of a citizen that was reporting a crime, I can say honestly, It felt invasive and I am far less likely to report the kind of crime I witnessed again in the future. It just strikes me as terrible public relations to stop a crime report interview to blatantly call my name in.

@Andrew-wy1gg

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I will never report a crime

@BGQuintana

2 жыл бұрын

@@FeistyBullet Being a witness does not obligate you to divulge your anonymity. People calling 911 calls anonymously all the time… And should a court case surmise you are not obligated to testify as a witness unless subpoenaed by said court. It has nothing to do with safety to take their ID and run it. It’s clearly an invasion of a citizens privacy to generate more tax dollars. And making the cops report easier to write is irrelevant

@Jz-sv1ju

2 жыл бұрын

I know how you feel a similar situation happened to me many years ago when i reported a trespassing incident, the officer was checking out my personal information and ran my ID as well. The Land of the so called "Free" is now Guilty until proven innocent.

@DHFlip18

2 жыл бұрын

Similar situation here: found a wallet on the street, had $7 and ID. I approached two cops and offered to surrender the wallet, explaining that I just found it. They asked for MY ID. I asked why, I'm just handing this over to you. They said they need a record of who found it. I said write in the report that a bird dropped it and call it a day. No, we need an ID. So I told them they're brain dead and suggested they chew on a rock.

@Pattoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@DHFlip18 When I returned a Wallet whilst on Holiday in Japan, the police only asked for my number so they could give me a reward once the wallet was claimed. I denied the reward and to give details. They were happy with this. As I left, several officers bowed and thanked me for returning the wallet. The first officer I met didn't even take the wallet from me. He just gave me directions to the police box around the corner where his colleagues were stationed and trusted me to take the wallet there myself unsupervised. Although corruption in Japan's police force is rife, the way they treated me was brilliant.

The guy gave his ID and the proof he works there... No one complained about him... At some point, I don't see why the cops would doubt the possibility that he was in his right.

As someone who worked in commercial real-estate for several years, here's how access to a dumpster works on a Campus Space. Unless there is a Posted Notice that specifically identifies that dumpster (with a number, letter, or unique identifier) is for a specific tenant, then that dumpster is a (Common Area) for all of the tenants. There is a clause in every commercial business rental agreement that covers Dumpsters. If that Dumpster was only for certain tenants then the property management would have to install a lock and provide keys restricting access to certain tenants.

@Getfuqqedfedboy

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely true, furthermore, depending on lot access for the public, an unlocked dumpster could even be considered a public dumpster for anyone to utilize. also implied laws for access too, if say a dumpster is behind a gate that is locked, whoever has the key has implied consent to use the dumpster. personally i think privatizing dumpsters and removing public access to dumpster is about the stupidest thing ever because it promotes people dumping at the side of the road and shit. i used to live in an area suffered massively from people dumping at sides of roads and the reason i discovered why was locked dumpsters and stupid monthly price of trash pickup as well as police turning a blind eye to people dumping down back roads but heavily enforcing a call about someone dumping in their dumpster.. ya kinda enforces bad behavior.

@bobbymoore8030

2 жыл бұрын

@@Getfuqqedfedboy to play devil's advocate, if I were a landlord and paid for a dumpster for my tenants and it's going to be used by the public then the extra trips the sanitation department makes emptying it is going to cost me. All of the other reasons for the trash on the ground I agree with but would add personal responsibility of individuals to that list.

@Getfuqqedfedboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbymoore8030 no disagreement here. the issue is with the sanitation companies running a racket basically charging whatever they feel like which forces poor behavior to those who cant maintain and afford and then promoting dumpster locks as a solution.. why cant some of our tax dollars go there instead pointless public works.. my city once done with actual work that's needed still have leftover money granted to them from our tax dollars. they have to spend it all to ask for even more next year and use pointless works as their justification for going over budget thus justifying even higher amounts granted to them. so they typically going out of their way to do pointless projects like every year they repave this one little back road that 3 people live on..its in great condition vs the main road its branching off which is ironic but i guess the math works out that cost of doing that allows them to complete it and not go too far over vs the main road.. they also have a fetish for ripping out same sidewalks yearly and replacing them yearly even if their spotless.. those millions wasted could be better put to use with free disposal..

@bobbymoore8030

2 жыл бұрын

@@Getfuqqedfedboy I think it's because it doesn't turn a profit. Sad but probably more true than I'd want to acknowledge. Where did all the charity go from churches I wonder?

@ObservationofLimits

2 жыл бұрын

@meehhhe Of You … yea moreso it’s because those shitbags are too lazy to wait until they find a dumpster locked or not.

"We've investigated ourselves and determined we are all heroes".

@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587

2 жыл бұрын

Al Gore Rhythm

@UNcommonSenseAUS

2 жыл бұрын

Stole my comment 🤬

@176bammm

2 жыл бұрын

....Dance Video uploaded to Tic-Toc....

@Al-Gore-ithm

2 жыл бұрын

@@UNcommonSenseAUS in all fairness, I stole it from someone else. The addition of the word heroes to this line that's been circulating for years was brilliant IMO!

@tracyseymour7553

2 жыл бұрын

Legends in their own minds

"being overly compliant" great point, I will try to take it on board in future encounters, in Australia our laws and circumstances are somewhat different (no Amendments quasi 'bill of rights'), also a Common Law based system; suffers from residual penal colony mentality so in many areas highly paternalistic, but with a little less systemic cop violence

They had sighted his ID and they had his business card. Once they confirmed that these two documents reconciled they could have lawfully used his business card to further investigate the possibility that he may not have lawful access to the dumpster.

Perfect example of why you should never give up your rights because cops abuse them any chance they get. Even when they're talking to a lawyer.

@Scientists_dont_lie

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@jasonprevilon9555

Жыл бұрын

I'm learning this now. Cops will do anything to obtain an arrest or conviction. They're incentivized to obtain citations to keep their precincts number up, so they can obtain more funding. The criminal justice system is adversarial for a reason.

@bronsonedward

Жыл бұрын

They are so used to violating people's rights that they think they are being obstructed when someone asserts their rights.

@truthbespoken333

Жыл бұрын

BINGO!

@jasonsant5006

Жыл бұрын

Amen

The United Police States of America. I'm surprised they didn't call for additional units to help protect that dumpster.

@mura3497

2 жыл бұрын

this killed me not gonna lie LOL

@joshsmith7176

2 жыл бұрын

They probably had some backup close by.

@smusky4643

2 жыл бұрын

This is my dumpster! There are many like it, but this one is mine!

@titiryuchakraborty

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@noisehonk

2 жыл бұрын

heli unit, standing by

Cops get pissed if you don't give you info when you're not required to, and then when you are nice and give it when you're note required to, they use it against you.

I've an old friend who was a civil rights attorney and was once beaten (not severely) by several police after an objectively improper detention. He never bothered filing a lawsuit, as he didn't think the juice was worth the squeeze (this was before body cams or widespread smart phones). If a civil rights attorney can be manhandled by cops, so can you.

"Yes, we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong"

@jasondyrkacz8270

2 жыл бұрын

If only citizens had that power...

@JOHNRMECH

2 жыл бұрын

As usual

@ObservationofLimits

2 жыл бұрын

And “we’re too lazy to actually investigate anything regarding you, so we’re just going to assume you’re wrong.”

@felixG83

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasondyrkacz8270 the police fight like hell to avoid citizen oversight like how they fought bodycams for years

@Iansco1

2 жыл бұрын

@@felixG83 My local PD refused to AUTHORIZE wearing them without copensation. Want any more proof that Police Unions need to go? Can you think of many other jobs where the boss says "you have to do X Y Z" and the response is "Well. I will ALLOW that. IF and only IF you give me a raise!".

That got stupid real quick. I find it incredible that law enforcement is having this much trouble locating crime

@MrJBA79

2 жыл бұрын

They're looking for love in all the wrong places.

@kessiawright1710

2 жыл бұрын

That town must be amazing since they must not have any real crimes happening.

@Chrisicola

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the dumbest crap I've seen

@daliilars3350

Жыл бұрын

Gotta fill that arrest quota.

@joexiden5798

Жыл бұрын

Investigating real crimes is dangerous, that's why they focus on invented crimes.

I’ll give these cops A+ just because they didn’t shoot him when he went to get his card. The standards are in the gutter

Guilty till proven innocent

The one time “understandable, have a good day” should’ve actually been said

@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr

2 жыл бұрын

NEVER! - every cop

"We don't know if this dumpster belongs to you" - It's embarrassing how bad they are at their jobs.

@DeyseSousaC

2 жыл бұрын

It's like they're competing on how annoying they can be

@sabinepabst4227

2 жыл бұрын

They were harassing him

@nasetheboss

2 жыл бұрын

Embarrassing how bad america is

@glitchedout1438

2 жыл бұрын

@@nasetheboss ??

@ArchxKn1ght

2 жыл бұрын

Did you miss the very next part where he explains why the cops could be right?

I think it would be perfectly acceptable writing on the incident report, "Engaged individual at dumpster and confirmed the individual was a tenant of the building." It's nice how they gave him permission to continue throwing out his trash, and they wrote his information down because the one cop even said, "Turn around and get out of here, and then we'll look him up."

“We don’t know if you are allowed to use this dump” “But go ahead and keep using the dump until we figure it out” 🤡 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

The moment they got the card it should have been "ok sir, have a nice day" but it has to turn into a 20 minute ego check because the officers just can't give up the fact that he isn't doing anything wrong and stick around as long as possible in order to start something.

@billrobertson5895

2 жыл бұрын

The cop didn’t ask him for his Id the guy offered it up willingly. Then he got all squirrelly Kind of like saying yeah you can search my car but don’t look in the center console

@billrobertson5895

2 жыл бұрын

@@warriorgp4640 I didn’t bother to read that soliloquy once I reached you first error in the law which was about the police being prohibited to run a check on a person who they have ID’d. I don’t know where you KZread lawyers get your degree but you should get your money back

@vhyles

2 жыл бұрын

Ego check - yep, that's the exact way to describe this nonsense 💢

@thisshouldbeentertaining3386

2 жыл бұрын

@@billrobertson5895 Squirrelly ??? So being polite while trying to appease the cops curiosity and clear yourself of any wrong doing then once you have proven that you indeed are innocent asking for your identification makes you Squirrelly 🤦

@stoiccrane4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@billrobertson5895 He gave his ID to confirm the identity on the business card. Nothing more. He had a right to be agitated when they went a step further to check for warrants without any legitimate basis. He was dumping trash not a body.

Also, the fact that they were on camera saying they would leave then run his ID shows it had nothing to do with the stop whatsoever. That part alone speaks volumes about the officers and their priorities. I'd give them a "C" at best and that's being generous.

@qawamity

2 жыл бұрын

If a kid says out of the blue that he isn't hiding anything in his backpack, doesn't that make you think he's probably hiding something in his backpack? Similarly, if someone tells you not to run their ID, it is such a weirdly specific thing to request that it raises suspicion.

@mrdyer1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@qawamity i agree, but it seems like his phrasing comes from english not being his first language. for sure thats give cops pause where he said DONT RUN IT

@qawamity

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrdyer1006, language issues or not, when someone tells you to not look into their background it's a major red flag. Fool would have been better off saying nothing on the matter.

@kj7995

2 жыл бұрын

@@qawamity didn’t finish watching the video but did that fool have anything to hide? Or you just let police abuse their power because where I’m at in the Video he says the fool didn’t commit a crime and once they found out no reason to run his Id. So seems he knew the law and you let police run over you with laws

@qawamity

2 жыл бұрын

@@kj7995, it's not against the law for police to run your ID if they have the information necessary to do so. So, there's no evidence of a crime in the video. But the police saw what may have been illegal dumping, did a quick investigation. That's their job. Let's say once they run his ID they find he's been convicted of illegal dumping in the past, would that be probably cause for further investigation? I think it would. Don't you think it would be dereliction of duty for them to not take one extra, non-invasive step to make sure everything was legit? Or do you prefer it when the people half-ass their jobs?

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Cops trying to tell a lawyer what the law is will always be hilarious to me. It's like a general physician telling a neurosurgeon how to do their job.

@lummymanpix

Жыл бұрын

except the cops in this case were correct? so how is that hilarious?

“We know you have an office here but we do not know if the dumpster belongs to you” aka, the dumpster which is attached to this property which we know you are allowed to use as apart of leasing an office here just like 100% of other rental and lease properties that have a dumpster on their property provided for tenants. This is why many people do not like or trust the police. They are such weasels and do all in their power to walk over the public’s rights and make up their own skewed logic to justify themselves to do so.

@yanceytarver5101

2 жыл бұрын

I agree totally! Raven. Akin to the fact that trash disposal is included in the lease for businesses these goons has nothing better to do than go fishing for something when there was nothing to fish for, and all at the expense of the tax payer, even the one they detained. this is why when they knock I dont answer the door, no time for stupid.

@captainkeyboard1007

2 жыл бұрын

That is a fact. That man who stated that he is a lawyer had the ultimate right to dispose the trash in the dumpster. Do the police think that he should have dumped the trash at the roadside? They chose to harass the man for no good reason. Some innocent non-white people are being mistreated by those who are supposed to serve and protect the public.

@jeffreyfreeland5942

2 жыл бұрын

Even if it's technically possible that the lease doesn't include permission to put trash in the dumpster on site, it makes no sense to continue. At that point, the officers should take the least invasive approach, and leave. If someone in the building believes they can't throw trash away per lease terms, they should take it up with the building manager who would actually know, and police activity should encourage this activity by doing nothing more than (at a maximum) determining the person works there. Otherwise, they shouldn't bother someone over things which are only "technically" possible, since *technically* any person *could* be doing just about anything. Is someone purchasing kitchen knives, or conspiring to murder an acquaintance? This is a dumb line of reasoning to pursue, even if it can't be immediately disproven that the knives are for murder rather than cutting carrots.

@captainkeyboard1007

2 жыл бұрын

Even policemen and policewomen do not use common sense. That is how so many mistakes happen. They all could have been easily avoided

@meson183

2 жыл бұрын

Surely, whether or not the tenant had a right to dispose of his trash in the provided dumpster depends entirely on his contractual agreement with the property owner. Would that not be beyond the remit of the police to enforce? The police's only interest should have been to determine whether a crime was in progress as a result of dumping his trash. Once it had been had proven he was a tenant on the site and had a right to be there, the police's interest should have ended.

"He did not provide proof that he was privileged to use the dumpster." That is a crazy statement... the dumpster by default comes with the territory. Absolutely no proof of that should be needed.

@richardflorence3927

2 жыл бұрын

Agree... its crazy to think you have to show further proof at this point... after he showed he was a tenant and they verified he was the person on the card (a cursory glance at a lawful ID should have been enough for this), it should have been over.... beyond that its harrassment!

@johnstutz4458

2 жыл бұрын

How much trash can he have in his Tesla???

@sirslickrock

2 жыл бұрын

Running his license would only show his residence at best. His (“Slick”) business card on the other hand, DID mostly prove he works there, since it likely has the address on it.

@singaporesammy

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. That's like saying "He may have proved he lives in this house, but he didn't prove he's allowed to open the mailbox."

@user-rf2tn8mk3f

2 жыл бұрын

Burden of proof is not even required either. The saddest part is that the accused does not need to "prove" he is doing something legal to the cops during a consensual encounter. Unless a person is detained, it is up for the officer to "prove" that the accused in question is breaking the law using evidence. If they cannot do that, any detainment, arrest, or charge is illegal. This whole "guilty until proven innocent" rhetoric needs to be dismantled from the ground up. Burden of proof is always on the one making a claim.

I would venture to say a reasonable person would just automatically assume that a renter/owner of office space would have access to trash cans on the property. The cops just couldn't let that hit to their ego go when he told them not to run his id.

“I invoke the 5th and the 2nd!”

It's _"innocent until proven guilty"_ - not _"guilty until we have run you through every system we have"_

@samuelwillette1183

2 жыл бұрын

What basis do they have to believe he's doing something illegal in the first place? The same assumption can be made that he's also doing something totally within his rights. There's absolutely no reason for them to interact with him unless they have been called to the scene. Throwing trash into a dumpster is not a legitimate reason to stop and question somebody. LMFAO!

@cesarmedina7080

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelwillette1183 You are exactly right. No call was made and no description was given even if tbere was a call. They could could just as easily suspected him of nothing. They chose to suspect him without any cause to do so. Just because someone is dumping trash doesnt mean they are illegally dumping trash. Reasonable suspicion would be if somenody called pice specificly because someone was illegally dumping at that time. Even then they would need a description of that person.

@MickeyMishra

2 жыл бұрын

the more I'm an American the more I realize I should just be an illegal immigrant I don't have to pay taxes I get free healthcare I get free everything and on top of that actually have rights with people like police

@quintillabatts9472

2 жыл бұрын

@@MickeyMishra I agree with you on that one. We pay through the nose for everything. Next they will want us to pay for air. Then we will be in really big trouble. As I think about it we might be paying for the air we breathe.

@MickeyMishra

2 жыл бұрын

@@quintillabatts9472 Have you heard of water rights? Try to explain that to anyone. And see if they can come with a Legal defense of it. My point is? Yes, you are paying for the air. That is what the Paris Climate accord is for.

It never ceases to amaze me the petty "crimes" that officers waste time on.

@regworld1167

Жыл бұрын

Officers could not care less about solving crimes. They have quotas to meet.

@jadeyc1793

Жыл бұрын

It’s a ‘for profit’ business.

@outermarker5801

Жыл бұрын

It's a wonder 3 more cars didn't show up 🙄

@Argumemnon

Жыл бұрын

He's clearly guilty of being black.

@A_Black_Sheep94

Жыл бұрын

You think they want to risk their lives in a dangerous situation?

Amazing the amount of legal jargon it takes to expound on the intricacies of every officer encounter to come to a conclusion a 5 year old could have come to in seconds. Every time you're talking to them, it's an investigative fishing expedition.

I think they overstepped their rights at the end of the video “ go down there and turn around, then we’ll run his name” obviously not exact verbiage but ya get the point. THAT RIGHT there is where I have an issue, the “stop/investigation” WAS OVER, but because THEY didn’t like the “way” it went down THEY were going to run his name outta spite. So it would’ve been interesting to see “WHAT WOULD BE” if after they ran his name and something came up on him….. I know a couple lawyers that have had contempt warrants and were those charges were dropped BUT someone within the system didn’t take said warrants outta the “system”. I’m really sick and tired of the laziness and much of the lawlessness that’s been happening around the country in dealing with the court and LE systems. Thank you “Audit The Audit” for ALL you do, keep up the great work.

The lawyer showed his business card and offered his ID so that should have been immediately followed with "OK sir have a nice day." But, then that would not have been a good story back at the station, would it?

"We don't know if the dumpster belongs to someone else in the building" is the dumbest, lamest shit I've ever heard. A dumpster on a business complex property is going to be for those businesses, just like a dumpster in an apartment complex is for anyone that lives in one of the apartments. Dumpsters outside a mall are used by any of the businesses within the mall, etc, etc etc.

@coryk4974

2 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the video?

@royaltrunks8003

2 жыл бұрын

@@coryk4974 bozo

@coryk4974

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you guys didn't watch the video. 😂

@mrandrat625

2 жыл бұрын

Your statement is not exactly true. As the owner of a business I have had need for an extra temporary dumpster to be dropped for my exclusive use after making arrangements with the landlord of a complex like this. So no, you cannot assume every dumpster in a business complex is available to all the tenants.

@sheilas716

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen more than 1 dumpter at an office building? Yes you probably have if it is a large one. Maybe, as said in the video, it was not part of his lease agreement Dumpsters at malls are assigned to specific stores - but you don't see workers dumping their personal garbage in those bins - it is for Store in the mall only.

As the guy is a lawyer, he should know the importance of documentation and should have filed a complaint despite the lack of confidence any action would be taken.

this is EXACTLY why people don't want to comply with officers by following seemingly simple commands that they claim will "solve" the issue..they'll say "just answer this question" but sure enough it'll lead to more questions, more demands, and they'll keep going and going until they feel they've tripped u up on something they can use