Nice to hear Sandstorm finally run through Bloom.

@efraimkent

Ай бұрын

more like a sand breeze than a storm now

@behtashmiri1283

Ай бұрын

Lucky u two, mine had no sand in it

@Slope114

Ай бұрын

My neigbor has an RV camper that says “Sandstorm” across it in huge letters. It makes me laugh & think of this channel every time I see it

@nicolasalexander408

Ай бұрын

I love Sandstorm and it sounded especially good through Bloom....good work....

@catsix2644

Ай бұрын

my gosh, this made me lol irl

"... stacking all the "OK-ness" on top of each other".... brilliant explanation of why some thing sound the way they do!

@akagerhard

Ай бұрын

I think the issue is not in the interfaces, but in the producers ears and capabilities. The biggest impact ADDA conversion has is the first time (assuming sample rates and bit depth are consistent through each additional AD/DA conversion) and that's already REALLY small. The sample rate is going to constrain the audio in the first conversion, removing any frequencies above 1/2 of the sample rate (see Nyquist theorem.) With virtually all modern gear, those are going to be out of the range of human hearing. It's really not in the gear. The gear got better, not worse. It would be illogical to assume it's the gear.

@cylonvoiceguy

Ай бұрын

@@akagerhard He specifically said "Cheaper microphones, cheaper interfaces".... yes it's the gear he's talking about. I upgraded from M-Audio FW410 to RME USB Babyface, the better word clock made a huge difference when EQ'ing in the box. I have an SM58 and AEA 44CE... Mackie preamps and Electrodyne preamps... etc etc

@tristanwh9466

Ай бұрын

​@@cylonvoiceguy The effect of the word clock is pretty much placebo, you won't be able to hear the difference between anything made in the last 30 years. If youre hearing a differnce from the M-audio it's gonna be in the cleaner gain you get with the babyface vs the noisier preamps of the m-audio

It's always so much fun watching you work, dude. What an enjoyable, fresh perspective you always deliver. I'll continue to support!! Much love.

Those drums are smackin... I love that tone and kit...

It's pink ! I love it ! Great show !

Your knowledge and personality is a gem - stay you.

Completely agree with you regarding the increasing harshness. I mostly use these Oek plugins in the same way you’re describing. I think you’re right about the cheap mic, cheap interface thing, but it also comes down to cheap sounding samples, cheap sound synth VST or plastic sounding Kontakt kits etc. I also think a huge factor is so many people don’t create or record in ideal spaces, so tonal balances I get from clients for mixes are wayyyyyyy off. The productions are usually really cool but I end up spending a lot of time reworking the overall tonal imprint of a mix, and these plug-ins are amazing for that

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

this. Production is so so sos os os os osososssoossssssosooooooooooo fucking important thatn when done right makes the other two jobs (mix master) even easier but BETTER SOUNDNG. BRO WHEREEEEEEE can I get better sounding samples and sounds and what are better sounding virtual instrument's. I am trying to up my production. Is splice good? I herd they have a plethora of sounds on there and it high quality. And as for an interface, I got a cheap 99 pre sonus one thats old as hell. Any reccomendations for a high quality sounding one and mic?

@SylvanPaul

Ай бұрын

@@cholkymilkmirage4984 it depends on the type of music you’re making, but Samples From Mars is a good place to start. I’d avoid Splice quite frankly - at this point it’s significantly oversaturated so it’s hard to find high quality sounds from reliable creators. The Arturia vintage synth collection and the Roland cloud synth collection are both very solid as VST synth collections. As are Diva and Trillian for bass. Pigments is also a very good VST synth. There are some really good live drum sample packs out there today as well, Jake Reed Music, Wave Tick drums, Shroom 020 … all recorded with high end gear and mics. For weirder more random types of samples you have to be more discerning and look more carefully, but they’re out there. Hope that helps, good luck!

@SylvanPaul

Ай бұрын

@@cholkymilkmirage4984 for interface & mic: SSL2+ is the most slept on interface around. $299 bucks. Super cheap, with super solid preamps and conversion. For mic, the Aston Origin is probably the best cheap microphone around imo. Altho if you can afford an SM7b, which is only marginally more expensive, that would also be a great choice. The Sennheiser Mk4 is also pretty good, has a very forward and defined sound with a pronounced midrange though, so depends on if you like that kind of thing. If you can go higher with budget, TLM 102 is great, but then you’re entering the high end mic market, at which point you’d likely want a better preamp. All that said, if budget permits, I’d get the Heritage audio i73 … you can grab one for 1k USD and those pres are better than any other interface on the market, but the price reflects that. If you pair that with any of the 3 cheaper mics you will never really need anything better.

@saricubra2867

Ай бұрын

@@cholkymilkmirage4984AKG414 XLS is the reliable swiss army knife that works for everything. No harshess, it does have a very small boost around the limit of human hearing but i like it and a lot of people won't notice it, i can hear up to 19.4KHz.

yeah, sounds good. I'll more than likely try it out on my next batch

20 day full trial. Wish I hadn't. This thing is superb. I have €200 to find. You missed the mid/side or L/R button Wytse. You can use it separately, different settings on both m/s or l/r. Soooo good. Also 😁 just done a test on three songs in production applying a preset i made on one to the others and it really helps create a unified common sound on all tracks. 100% SOLD

@KYTHERAOfficial

Ай бұрын

They should have done an intro offering as everyone else does it..

@-Deena.

Ай бұрын

@@KYTHERAOfficial It's was at €169 intro.

@DJayFreeDoo

Ай бұрын

​@@-Deena.When? The moment i saw this release it was at full price and everyoone asked to get a sort of intro price. But even that is dxpensive though.

@-Deena.

Ай бұрын

@@DJayFreeDoo It is still now £169 Go look. 🧡

@-Deena.

Ай бұрын

@@DJayFreeDoo £.169, apols, not €. It's still £169.

For dynamic EQ you should try out Melda MDynamicEQ or MAutoDynamicEQ. It has very responsive Attack and Release timing, flexible Threshold and ability to Drive, definable range and frequency, and various eq shapes such as bandshelf. There are much more settings such as sidechain, editable reduction curves etc.

Great video. Definitely related to the harshness +4k on my own productions and have been exploring what it could be. I record and mix my own tracks and suspect I'm not dealing with my high frequencies as accurately as I could. Potentially not supported by home studio monitoring too.

The kick in this track is so fucking nice. RIGHT up my street jesus christ.

@StaminaMC

Ай бұрын

💯

New sub man, every video you do is so helpful

After every review I was just waiting to hear yours bc i value it more

Awesome video, thanks. WHERE CAN I GET THAT T-SHIRT you're wearing? I love it.

Yeah I also encounter those "restless highs" and from my experience, after asking what setup they used and so on, it pretty much almost always boils down to them having purchased a bundle of gear where there is a discount and surprisingly often I find the Rode NT1A to be the common factor in all those recordings, at least for vocals. For OHs it seems km184 are the new standard, but the newer production line also seems to like to produce some resonant frequencies, I don't know what's up with that. But that are my 2 cents :)

have you updated your catalog of songs you have mixed lately?

It did not work well on tracks with heavy low end beats and bass, but I do not think it was meant for that, anyway...Thanks for all the work you do bud - cheers from Canada

If you find over time that this is genuinely adding something beyond more familiar tools, I'd love to hear about it.

This plugin does wonders with acoustic guitars!!

Very cool to hear a Ryan James Carr track!

@MustafaShaheen

Ай бұрын

@@coryrogers846 The track is called "Light on Your Feet". Ryan plays most, if not all the instruments you hear on his songs. He's also a massively talented drummer and nice guy. I recommend you check out his music!

Isn´t it the same like soothe only with multi bands instead of the eq band setup?

I dunno when I hear that high end sparkle I’m thinking buy it. I’ll have to try the demo when I’m ready

Been on the fence if I should buy this or not... I think the price is too high

where to buy your tshirt?

Good test, but wouldn't it also be interesting to take a track where you have deliberately cut or limited frequencies throughout or on individual tracks? To see whether you can get close to an original mix and whether a dynamic EQ achieves similar, worse or better results. And to discuss the pros and cons!

Video idea: You say this is a dynamic EQ. Do a video where you create similar sonic results between bloom and a dynamic EQ. Pro-Q 3, and Bloom, for instance. I'd love to see them side by side.

@-Deena.

Ай бұрын

It really isn't just a multi-band dynamic EQ though...seriously, its not.

@shtuffly-kw5ql

Ай бұрын

@@-Deena.I agree. Tho, I'd still love to see a plugin comparison. He can illustrate how bloom is similar and different from a dynamic EQ.

Thanks for a video

Would this be comparable to something like Gullfoss?

We're making a vid on this right now. LOVED it for M/S stuff on mix bus and synths and such. But we heard some serious artifacts on some sharp vocals. Did you guys hear this too? Or do our vocals just suck lol

Wytse seems to show, which audio companies have t-shirts with their logo.

"Stacking 'OK ness".. love it. my new saying. gonna try it at work. "You guys are not shining here because you're just stacking OK ness"

Watched the 2 videos on the OekSound site and played around with Bloom for about the last hour or so. The engineering on this plug-in is incredible really, and the care they put into it. This is a plug-in i'd definitely put into my repertoire. Just not for 200, maybe during a good sale sometime. Oh and the guy from the videos looks like a 21st century version of Ivar The Boneless from that Vikings show.

Yet another WhiteSeaStudio video demonstrating the versatility of Sandstorm. Darude is GOATED

I would also .. Loooooove to figure that out, man ... Gvd. Please let us know!

For me, the key word in OEK Sounds description of what Bloom does is make the output sound NATURAL. I've tried the demo on vocals and acoustic guitar recordings, which I really struggle with to tame certain frequencies and still get them to sound 'natural', Natural, to me, usually means realistic and sounding relaxed / not stressed due to over compression or certain frequencies being over emphasised (too much ok-ness) or dimmed. Bloom worked beautifully in my test cases. Particularly as the source materials were not perfect to start with. I highly recommend trying the Bloom demo.

Would love to see you play with Spectral Compressor by Robbert van der Helm

Basically it's Gullfoss with a slightly different target EQ. That and 4 band EQ build in and some compression when the dial goes beyond 7. There is no need to get this if you already own gullfoss. The two different plugins have been tested and similar results can be had.

@MAURITS_BIKE-HIKE

Ай бұрын

@@gravgrav5335 Totally agree with what you wrote. You can put an EQ-curve before Gullfoss to make it sound like Bloom. They are in fact very similar. I don't use either in the end product. Gullfoss or Bloom are used to create a reference track, then I will recreate the EQ curve using the REFERENCE plugin. That way you get a great sounding track without artefacts. That actually sounds much better. (Bloom sounds harsh, probably aliasing).

Finally. I think this thing does a really good job with muddy sounds also.

@kimseniorb

Ай бұрын

so does soothe

@SARCASofficial

Ай бұрын

Yes, just like ten other plugins on the market for a fraction of the price.

The ‘harshness’ you talk about at 7:55 sounds a lot like it might be the build up of aliasing. I’ve completely given up using plugins that introduce any harmonics (even those that do enormous amounts of oversampling) and, lo and behold, all the harshness’s I used to hear has disappeared. However before I did that I used to use Soothe to mitigate the digital harshness.

What's that tune???!!!! Soooo cool!!!!!!

So it's like a dynamic EQ but with "adaptativa" bands?

thanks

Soothe is a brilliant plugin, I bought it when it was discounted. I wish their plugins would be a bit more affordable though, 199 € is a lot of money for a plugin...

Reminds me of the Stabilyzer in Ozone :)

Given the prices I paid for things like Reason, Arturia V-Collection or TDR Plugin Collection, those prices for a single effect are much too high.

So it’s a dynamic EQ with a preset limiter?

multiband gulfoss eq, also, the harshness u mention at 8.00, you know the source, it 's OTT

i think digital interfaces sound less harsh now than ever i think what has changed is your ability to hear the build up in the high end. as my ears have developed over the years i have noticed the same thing.. i mainly mix live sound and my ears are so much more sensitive to whats going on up high now than say 10 years ago..

i think a lot of harsh stuff and just high end issues ive had to deal with is things like bleed in different mics, or stuff that has been boosted as a result of eqing a mic particularly with drums, which in itself can be a mic issue because different mics color the off axis sound differently, its weird theres a lot of causes i feel for unwanted harshness and just clutter in a mix, whether it be the wrong choice of mic for source material (or i guess as you mentioned preamps though i havent looked into that enough), or just processing something way too much, ive found that theres an unhealthy habit of putting too much on a sound nowadays, less it more at times (i guess unless youre sound designing or something)

@saricubra2867

Ай бұрын

I didn't know that the AKG 414 XLS is so much better than the XL2 version. The XL2 has issues with the 2KHz-10KHz region, 6KHz in particular has a boost of 5 dB and i hate 6KHz. I think bleeding by itself isn't the main problem, bleeding can't be avoided only reduced. Harshess is produced by aliasing, aliasing ruins clarity for anything above 14KHz, there are a lot of mixing tutorials on youtube with waves plugins and they have significant aliasing problems (they can't handle any sampling rate).

Thanks for the great video mate. Do those black dots by the frequency allow you to select the frequency, or are the frequencies fixed?

@nodaysback8390

Ай бұрын

Looked like the 4 sliders also move left and right to lower or raise the center frequency of that section's bandwidth..

@kevinkearney3836

Ай бұрын

Frequencies are not fixed and you can do mid and side different frequencies

@whatskraken3886

Ай бұрын

did you watch the video

@jamesearp6896

Ай бұрын

@@whatskraken3886 yes, he did let notice so I was pointing it out politely. Thanks for stopping by though.

I've noticed that a lot of "prosumer" interfaces produce thin vocals. I think that certain interface brands produce more natural sounding vocals. Lots of remedies have to be applied to fix the thin sounding vocals. As a matter of fact I have even heard that noticeably "thin" vocal sound from famous engineers who have the budget to afford whatever gear they want. They fell for the same marketing as the rest of us. Everything else in their mixes sounds great except the vocals. I think this one distinction is keeping the wannabes struggling to catch up with the big houses. There are actually some affordable interfaces that don't have these issues. There are also more expensive gear that render thin vocals. But I think the vocal sound of an interface might be a good place to check first in order to find out if you will be merely stacking harsh okayness and using various tricks to compensate for vocal thinness with the low quality converters. Start with finding out which companies write their own drivers. Many are outsourcing this process and can't afford to optimize the chip sets because they aren't handling this in house. This also leads to compatibility nightmares. Hint: the famous company who is writing their own drivers is based in Germany. Their interfaces keep working forever and don't lose compatibility.

Harshness (perhaps) = Zeitgeist?... was my first spontaneous thought. Get my drift?

The most similar ones are gulfoss and equalizer curious that both are ones you didn't like. About the harshness teme I feel the same and for me Cames also from the pollution of ac current and electromagnetic fields arround us. Maybe a some sort of lower octave distortion and also that the quality of vocal booths and home studio acoustics is getting worse because more people's are investing in having one instead of going in a professional studio.

Damn, i was sure i don't want it but now i sort of do

Think I'll stick with TDR Nova and save a few pennies. They (Oeksound) do pretty GUI.

What's the difference bw this and soonible smart eq ?? For me they''re basically the same thing

Is that Adam Deitch on drums? Kill'n!

I have it on trial and consitently getter better result with smart:eq4 in adaptive mode.

@kevinkearney3836

Ай бұрын

Does that have a squash mode?

Helpful, it seems to be an true Automatic Gain Control. Gain riding with near infinite frequency control. IMO, overuse would over homogenize the resulting mix, great for background music tracks. The only negative is the pastel background color. I find it VERY hard to read.

Yeah, I get lot of this kind of harshness You talk about in my productions. I think it's bad mic for my voice (rode nt1a, bad freq response for harsh polish language), boxiness of my recording environment (basically under the bed, some adaptation, but very poor), and my urge to saturate, overcompress and emulate analog chains in the box. Stacking a lot of plugins like Waves NLS/PA Amek or BX Console/Slate Neve Preamp emulation/Softube Tape/PA Black Box, Kazrog, PA Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor/Amek 200 EQ/PA SPL EQ. I cut with digital tools, I add with analog emulations. I think I do It a lot, and propably too much. Then I compensate with soothe or lindell deesser to cut all the harshness. I think especially doubling transformer - based emulations like black box+kazrog - it can mess 3k+ a lot. I tried to mix/master all digital, but it still seems to me that my recordings are harmonically lacking. I cannot afford analog tools, and I don't have a place for it. My recording interface are AXE I/O for guitar and Midas MR18 for vocal and acoustic guitar mics. Amp sims and captures from IK Multimedia Amplitube 5 and Tonex max. You can judge by Yourself - just listen to my rock or rap tracks on my channel.

@MagicJonesMusic

Ай бұрын

I just took a listen to your tracks. Very smooth-sounding. Clear and smooth...

with smarl changes that could be easy a nice lo-fi track

yes please do some more videos/research on 'harshness', i for example use two mics and even when EQ matched one is somehow harsher and i can't make technical sense out of it

I think the harshness is like you said- It's a build up of OK-ness. The same thing happens in the analog realm, right? Subtle harmonics from the circuitry at each step of the process add up to something noticeable at the end.

8:30 100% have you noticed on dialogue tracks the are thick ssssss that have to be fought to softened

A four band multiband compressor isn't it? Mb comp are used for tone shaping i think..

Having some guitar signal harshness lately but might be a mixing/fader issue, but seeing this gives me hope for correction for a lazy session.

Great stuff. Test NFUSE by Kiive next! :)

I allways had problems with restless highs. If i turn hem down, my music sounded dusty. I had to work years to enhance this problem. I do this in the master chain of the mix. And still now days im not at that point.

I personally dont like soothe. I think using the right comp and eqing into it and after it can yield even better results in correcting the ok-ness

@Strepite

29 күн бұрын

Exactly… Those companies are just cashing in on “preset” generation of producers and “engineers”

It’s something like gulfoss, isn’t it?

The problem with harshness is definetly a monitoring problem or trend, also aliasing on plugins and/or converters. For current music there is an abuse of bass, when you hear shows in real life they don't have that much bass. I was hearing the music that you used for the plugin's demo on my DT 770 Pro and i had to lower the 20-80Hz range a little bit, it was too much. Spending time listening to old well recorded/mixed music from the 80s is a nice way to clean my ears with a natural real life sound.

My thoughts (without testing) is that Bloom is very similar to Soothe 2, not worthing the purchase If you own Soothe 2. I'm I tripping?

Killer plug-in

Wonder how much it really adds compared to TEOTE and Gullfoss. Yes you have more control over the curve but for 200? IDk

@anonymousbrowser4448

Ай бұрын

i was wrong it's really good and sounds better than those 2

I spend a lot of time eqing harsh frequencies as I use almost exclusively vsts plugins. This could be awesome for me, can’t wait to try it!

Bloom on the master bus definitely loses sub bass definition. I'm not convinced by it tbh. It tends to blur everything. I am going to stick to simple EQ and multiband compression.

I use gulfoss to unmask dialogue without sounding EQd or processed… bloom can get similar results but gulfoss is still better!

@kevinkearney3836

Ай бұрын

Gulfoss doesn’t give the mid side or smash or as much control, I’ve A/B’d them a lot and both have their uses

Ohhh ya, I've noticed the same things! I'm a freelancer so I work with a lot of "home studio" musicians and MANY projects I get to work on the recordings are sub par.

It would be cool if you could solo each band to hear what it's doing.

I keep wondering if it’s a multi-band version of Wavesfactory Equalizer.

@ggeessttaalltt

Ай бұрын

After testing it’s pretty similar. IMO bloom has a better UI. I’m not sure if the algorithm is more heavy handed in Equalizer but I seem to get slightly better/more transparent results out of bloom. They’re close though and as an Equalizer owner I probably won’t be paying the 200 bucks to keep bloom, even though I regularly use oeksound’s other stuff. Also, bloom isn’t really “multi band,” you actually have a bit more tone shaping control in Equalizer. It’s just how the interface is laid out.

great review on yet ANOTHER eq plugin ..big sigh.. still a good video to watch.. breakdowns are always right to point

Hot Take: Somehow NIN "The Fragile" album was mixed without Bloom or Soothe. oof. 200 is heavy for a plugin for most people.

I'm at 5:00. Will be fun to see what you think in the end. I think it's brilliant at this stage.

CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT „THE_STRIP“ PLUGIN FROM PHIL SPEISER? Sorry for screaming, it‘s an AI ASSISTANCE mixing plugin, I‘d really love to hear your opinion❤️

Could you use Soothe2, Spiff and Bloom to do the same thing on the same track to see what the differences are? I own Soothe2, but can't get my head around why I would want Bloom or Spiff

@RokSivante

Ай бұрын

Soothe2 and Bloom might be similar as both based on principles of dynamic EQ, but Spiff different as it focuses on transients

@KYTHERAOfficial

Ай бұрын

Soothe is substractive only for example

Tectonic from Aberrant DSP has already done something very similar and much cheaper. The Oeksound bloom controls are easier to understand, the rest seems very the same to me

Simply unbelievable. It works well and has flexibility enough to be used the way you want. I think there should be a way to alter many parameters, to avoid becoming boring. Philosophy? Yes. Can machine substitute humans? If human is low quality, yes. Do we need to worry about it? Yes. We must be more human. Nowadays popo is such low level that humanity there is missing. So AI will make it better. Fair!

I think the increased harshness is actually a change in taste combined with the earbud generation having destroyed ears with the top-end missing.

I think the increased harshness in more recent productions is probably from many producers not gain staging.

@bigstevedzn2353

Ай бұрын

Atleast to me, if anything, the problem is muddiness in today’s world. Bad rooms bad sound selections etc… harshness is so much easier to fix in my opinion. But bloom Is amazing at muddiness too.

The harshness is interesting, I also noticed this. My theory is that it could be a combination of : - studios using low INTERNAL samplerates in their software when rendering out songs. For example, often people think bit-depth is important, and it is for plain mixing, but when using filtering, sample rate is king, and it has been shown to be much more audible (for example, compare a 12 bit track with a 24 bit track, and then a 11khz track with a 44khz track). Since many people use DAWs with long chains of filtering (EQ, effects etc), this starts to add up - plugins using internal upsampling and downsampling. Yes that is much better than not doing so, but the problem is that every upsample and downsample creates digital artifacts. and because we want low latency, and CPU usage, you get lower accuracy. It's fine for a single VST or processor, but add a chain of 5 or more in the signal chain and things start to add up I tested with forcing my DAW to run at a higher sample rate (using a virtual sound card), and the difference was clearly noticable to me. Of course, that does incur higher processing cost. But you can also simply do this when rendering a song. And be careful not to freeze a track before that at just 44khz...

@akagerhard

Ай бұрын

It's just a trend and has been for many years. It's not due to the processors, it's due to the people using the processors. The average samplerate got higher, not lower. People (re)produce what they hear. If they hear very present and forward vocals on all mainstream productions, they will attempt to replicate that sound. It's illogical to me that you would assume that such VERY audible trends are due to subtle differences like 44,1kHz vs 96kHz samplerates, artifacts of oversampling, etc. I can stack 10 processors that alias (oversampled ones would be even less audible) on top of each other on the masterbus of a session that runs at 44,1kHz, if I boost 2 dB at 5kHz on a duplicate with NO aliasing in a session at 96kHz the 96kHz session will still sound harsher. Why would you look for obvious answers in sublte places? The main sculpting of the sound in production does not come from sublte little artifacts. Everything got better. Hardware got better plugins got a LOT better, so why would there be more harsh sound due to processors now?

Damn but that track is fiiii i i i i i i i i ire

We are incrementally handing over our creativity to algos.

ask them if using Gulfoss. By default, without cutting it, it boosts highs ( because it is stupid and does not know that there is a natural roll off there in all mixes ). Couple that with modest monitoring and we can't hear the high freq boosts. My money is on Gulfoss being the culprit!

Similar to voxengo teote, except multiband. But sounds close.

@KYTHERAOfficial

Ай бұрын

Yes and no. Technically they are very different at least.

I think you needed a moustache to play this version of sandstorm

When r u making a video withthe actual darude btw?

I'm happy for my music to sound crappy and to spend my $200 on mind alteration to compensate for a lack in production, ah the good old days, nice demo though....

What a kick sound! What does this plugin do? Is the magic, that there is no magic? The colour makes one think that it's for girls!? Well,...

So… while mixing, one listens to the same thing over and over again. Then anything that adds extra ’movement’ to the sound seems like a good thing. But the average listener is not listening like that. To me it seems that generally these ‘tone shapers’ produce a thin sound, and I use them cautiously.