I could forgive arson, but I draw the line at writing poetry that fucking bad

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

that's the real crime here... LOCK HIM UP!

@leeh4669

9 ай бұрын

you could say she really britta-ed this book

@icegreer4929

9 ай бұрын

You can forgive arson? 😂😂

@realestsienna

9 ай бұрын

@@icegreer4929i got that reference!

@erey877

9 ай бұрын

@@leeh4669I feel so proud that I got that reference

The biggest betrayal is that this was written by a woman.

@mani-ei5kq

9 ай бұрын

God the amount of internalized misogyny radiating from Colleen Hoover is astonishing. Knew this was gonna be awful when the stupid MC said something like: "mom was stupid crazy absurd and wrong! why should a woman try to find herself and her identity before when she can't ever make herself feel as good as a man can?" Such a gross way of thinking. And the fact that so many young girls praised this book when it first came out? 🤢Colleen is like that one girl who agrees with the alpha make podcasts, Pearl is her name I think. If pearl went into writing instead of podcasts, this would be the sh1t she would write, guaranteed. Surprised I didn't see a "he claimed me" line in there.

@mamorumobushi2217

9 ай бұрын

Fact.

@javierlopez9789

8 ай бұрын

Is it?

@nont18411

8 ай бұрын

It seems like the writer has never met any man before in real life or has met only the abusive ones because her standard of a “good man” is frightening.

@SirChubbyBunny

7 ай бұрын

So much of it gives me r/menwritingwomen energy.

no but imagine being kyle 😭😭 like imagine you’re dealing with your mother’s death, as well as the fact that she had cancer that you didn’t know about (which correct me if i’m wrong, but i think could be genetic), and all of a sudden your little brother just. disappears. and when he shows up again he’s like “yeah i just committed arson”. AND THEN WHILE YOU’RE MAKING SURE NO ONE WAS INJURED, YOU FIND OUT THAT A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL WAS SEVERELY INJURED AND BARELY SURVIVED IT. so now you’ve gotta make sure that your little brother isn’t sent to jail for being an idiot, WHILE planning your mom’s funeral. and then years later he’s at your house with what you think is his girlfriend?? and then the girlfriend turns out to be THE GIRL HE BURNED YEARS AGO. AND HE JUST. HASN’T TOLD HER. my man saw where this was going and said “hard pass” and crashed his car i’m 😭😭😭 AND THEN HIS LITTLE BROTHER HOOKS UP WITH HIS WIDOWED FIANCÉE I WOULD BE LOOKING LIKE A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN IN MY GRAVE 😭😭😭😭

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

kyle is for sure rolling in his grave rn

@Carnage-Asadas

5 ай бұрын

Bestie, you’re a better writer than CoHo. The way I struggled to stifle a cackle so I didn’t disturb my husband’s sleep 🤭

@anushkadesh

7 күн бұрын

This is the best comment I've ever read LMFAO

Nov 9 is my wedding anniversary, and someone literally said to me recently “oh, like the book?” I wanted to explode

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Nooooooooo

@certifiedboghopper9622

9 ай бұрын

my condolences

@mamorumobushi2217

9 ай бұрын

Sheeshh😭

@geegee6752

7 ай бұрын

I do you one better, my birthday is Nov 9. 😭

@RinHKArt

7 ай бұрын

@@geegee6752 I share your pain 😵

Colleen makes sure to call him Ben the Writer over and over so we won't just call him Ben the Arsonist

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

She really fooled us!

@j.yang7

9 ай бұрын

BENTON the Writer is a name that makes me lose all kind of romantic feeling

@aesinam

3 ай бұрын

Lol so good ​@@eat_buttons

*"GRAB MY BOOB, BEN.* He totally reads my mind and grabs my boob. *GRAB THE OTHER ONE.* God, he's so telepathic." This almost redeemed the book for me.

@falconeshield

9 ай бұрын

Porn has better plot

@faeryeclair

9 ай бұрын

STOP WHAT IS THIS LINE??

@RikkiLove0317

9 ай бұрын

@@faeryeclair21:18

@Authorthings

9 ай бұрын

Is that a real quote?? Oh my gosh!!! 🤮😂

@amandaleighplans

7 ай бұрын

I lost it at “…andddd we lost another girlie” 😭😭😭

I think the only thing worse than hookiing up with your brother’s widow and raising his baby as your own IMMEDIATELY after he passed, is doing all that and then subsequently abandoning your brother’s widow and baby just a year later to get together with a woman who you’ve known for a collective total of 4 days.

@morighani

9 ай бұрын

💀💀💀💀

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

He still takes care of the kid! Which I'm not sure is better tbh

@CookiehsAndDreams

9 ай бұрын

-and said woman is also affected with 4th degree burn scars and severe trauma because you opted for arson as opposed to therapy.

@aspillust

7 ай бұрын

it's very Henry VIII 💀

@alexisventura7191

4 ай бұрын

​@@withcindyi mean, better than abandoning the kid that sees him as a father figure i guess....

I hate that Colleen implies that being sexualized should be a compliment. Almost every time Ben is complimenting Falon, it’s for sexual reasons and blatantly so. It’s gross.

@harashe1000

8 ай бұрын

I recently reread some of the Meg Cabot books I loved as a teen and they’re THE EXACT SAME WAY! I’m starting to realize some of my issues around beauty/romantic/sexual relationships come from these dang YA books! They’re like indoctrinating kids into thinking being sexualized is the peak prize of womanhood

@Sweetl-cx9xi

6 ай бұрын

@@harashe1000these are adult books young adult books are for ages 13-17 and don’t have anything sexual in it, they typically have few swears and maybe imply sexual stuff but dont ever say it directly lol

@harashe1000

6 ай бұрын

​@@Sweetl-cx9xi Hey, I think you're talking about sex scenes, which is not what I'm referring to. It doesn't have to be intense and graphic sex-- a lot of times it's the way they write around the topic of sex and, more commonly, sexual attraction that is really bad and gives a bad framework for girls to think about themselves in relation to partners/romance/desire. Meg Cabot's Mediator series, The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants series, Sarah Dessen's books, The Summer I Turned Pretty series, Anna and the French Kiss-- all of these very much YA books have seeds of very problematic views/hyperfocus on beauty and desire (which in YA books may be covered up as love, but starts from a physical desire/attraction that in adult books leads to more graphic scenes. So basically it is a watered down version of that same desire) and nearly always make becoming someone's girlfriend a main prize or focus. In nearly all of the books, the main girl's physical attributes are always being marveled at and garnering male attention, astonishment, gawking, etc. etc. etc. And this male attention is nearly always considered flattering. It makes male attention a measurement of the (usually female) MCs worth. Notice that in a lot of the books the MC is gorgeous and always receiving male attention for her looks or, if she starts off awkward and without male attention, then one of the major turning points is when she *does* turn pretty and start getting that attention. Even though it's not as graphic as adult books, it normalizes in the mind of readers that getting sexual attention is a prize and something to seek. Like The Summer I Turned Pretty series where pretty much the whole point of the books is that Belly becomes someone sexually desirable and has her pick of boys. That's what I was referencing with my comment. Like the OP said, these writers "[imply] that being sexualized should be a compliment." That is a lesson that can unfortunately create a lot of self image issues and internalized misogyny for people who read a bunch of those books (like me). Anyway, tl;dr: Many YA books imply or directly share very problematic ideas about relationships, desirability (usually based on physical attributes or masked as "we just know we're meant to be"), etc. etc.

@skurinski

3 ай бұрын

Its great being complimented sexually

@EN-sz1fb

2 ай бұрын

​@@Sweetl-cx9xi growing up is realizing that d!ck is cheap and abundant. men will literally f farm animals when they don't have access to women (remember pony the orangutan?). That's how little their s3xual attention is worth

Ladies isnt it romantic when a man violates his restraining order and you mom says that you should forgive him because his trauma is worse than yours?

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Now that's love 💕

@nomisunrider6472

9 ай бұрын

Colleen Hoover is proof that women can be misogynists because she seriously expects us to think that him feeling bad for setting her on fire was worse than her actually being set on fire.

@V0idPill0w

6 ай бұрын

​@@withcindyFr fr he's traumatized that "TOTALLY" exsuxes him to g-r@pe her manipulate her sexually harass AND assault her and take her clothes off like an horny disgusting monster, now that's a man ❤❤❤

@myouniverse0613

5 ай бұрын

That was so weird 😭😭 Like worse HOW because she's the one who was on the brink of death AND because of him. Shouldn't the mom be reporting that dude for arson or something instead 😭😭

@Liltwilightprincess2

5 ай бұрын

@@myouniverse0613 What she should have done is report the package to the police and have the guy arrested for breaking the restraining order

only colleen hoover could make a career out writing horror and marketing it as romance

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

we luv the range

@Alexios567

9 ай бұрын

dont forget stephanie meyer

@yasmineh.1333

9 ай бұрын

Most cishet romance authors qualify for this tbh

@caithenry8429

9 ай бұрын

Seriously. Any time I see somehow detail the plot I am flabbergasted at how this is perceived as romance...kudos to CH's marketing team I guess?

@Kris-wo4pj

9 ай бұрын

​@@yasmineh.1333esp if its YA.

"how dare you be embarassed about your scars, you should be grateful because they mean you loved through that fire >:( " while he was the one who literally caused the fire and became obsessed with her because of it 💀

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

The audacity 😔

@krowkat5491

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy I just watched your video about the extreme horror writer who dedicated a book to a lady who gave him a bad review... the audacity just keeps increasing with these authors :0

Burn scar victim here. This book pickles the fuck outta my cherries because I *never* would have gotten to a state where I was comfortable wearing clothes that didn't cover my scars if Ben's "pep talk" was all I'd gotten I still have days where I just don't want to deal with revealing them. And even the points where I treated my scar in school as a way to be cool and make friends I was treated like a freak until all that energy was beaten back down, confidence doesn't magically do away with ableism! Colleen really hasn't got a clue

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Ben's pep talks are terrible and do the opposite of making you feel better. Also weirdly dismissive of how one would feel from dealing with burn scars

@sugarandscenes1931

9 ай бұрын

For reallll I got mine when I was a toddler so I literally have never known what it's like to not have them and I'm still not entirely cool with it nearly thirty years along Fallon's only two years into having hers Ben worstie chill@@withcindy

The fact that he absolutely fetishized the scars he caused is some psychopath shit.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

It's kind of narcissistic in a weird way

Damn, he gaslight her both figuratively and literally. What the fuck was this story

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

LOL AT LITERALLY

@adir6094

9 ай бұрын

LMFAOOOOOOO

@requiem2313

9 ай бұрын

Alternative title.

I’m disabled- I have spinabifida and am an amputee. This was SO triggering because men do be treating me exactly like that. I’ve had around 17 surgeries and will have a colostomy surgery next month and my scars are a source of insecurity. CoHo writes trauma porn that manages to marginalize the female characters even more than their tragic backstory. The men in her stories are narcissistic and predatory. I’ve been told I’m conventionally attractive, and a lot of men acknowledge that while acting like they’re doing me a favor by finding me attractive or they fetishize it. At one point a man asked me to do a fetish modeling shoot without my prosthetic leg, in a wheelchair, with my left leg IN A CAST so that I appear “as helpless as possible.”

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

omg WTF AT THAT GUY WHO ASKED U THAT???? THAT BOILS MY BLOOD I WOULD BE SO LIVID

@adrianomaly1760

9 ай бұрын

If I ever meet someone who says something like that, it is ON SIGHT.

@mamorumobushi2217

9 ай бұрын

Omggg I'm so sorry, this is so vile!?

@mamorumobushi2217

9 ай бұрын

​@@adrianomaly1760 Frr

@randompromises1038

3 ай бұрын

I'm never going to be okay with how you could be suffering the most traumatic physical pain possible and some guy can come up to you thinking they're helping by saying "You can still be fetishized! It's not too late for you yet!"

That sushi-pad tai nonsense was written by someone whose most exotic meal is supermarket deli counter Sweet & Sour Chicken with Fried Rice and an oily egg roll.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

and they find that spicy

@mani-ei5kq

9 ай бұрын

fr that line was probably the whitest line i've ever read in any book, besides one in to kill a mockingbird that I can't remember.

@averyfields8183

7 ай бұрын

Who the fuck buys Sweet and Sour Chicken at a supermarket deli? The takeout kind is better with some scorpion sauce!

@randompromises1038

3 ай бұрын

She's Texan, and as a Texan if the food isn't Mexican it's probably gonna be mediocre barbecue.

@ceciliap5336

20 күн бұрын

LMAO I was in disbelief...

colleen hoover is a detriment to my mental health and ive never read any of her books

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

prepare 4 psychic damage

@moistwrmonastring1017

9 ай бұрын

Real

@jazzknh1105

9 ай бұрын

You summed it up really well right there.

@special7217

6 ай бұрын

Reading these reviews, thanks. I would never waste my time or money on this crap called a romance. Every plot sounds more disgusting than the most.

Him trying to convince her that her trauma is not as bad as she thinks feels really gross knowing the end of the book...

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

RIGHTTTTTTTT

@rosettastarlight6239

9 ай бұрын

Now it feels like he was trying to downplay it to himself like, "see, she's fine, you didn't do anything THAT bad"

@anacoanagoldenflower

9 ай бұрын

@@rosettastarlight6239 Yeah it actually makes PERFECT sense to me knowing the end of the book

the fact that the man r@ped the girl in this book and colleen hoover thought it was romantic and only removed that scene once she got called out by thousands of people tells you everything you need to know about this woman

@mittag983

9 ай бұрын

Do you have the og version I want to post the og version all over reddit to make a point

@thethmooteresa

9 ай бұрын

​@@mittag983Caleb Joseph has a youtube video of the og verison, its his "a complete history on my fuel with Colleen Hoover" 😂 hope this helps

@camila-qj9ch

7 ай бұрын

WHAT

@thethmooteresa

6 ай бұрын

@@camila-qj9ch yup

@OfficialRoses

5 ай бұрын

HUH

"I am ashamed to be a reader" you know its going to be a banger video when it starts with disavowing literacy 😂

the unpacked boxes is a metaphor for Cindy’s reluctance to unpack this dumpster fire of a novel

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

im not gonna unpack my furniture but lets UNPACK this book....

@Sylarah15

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Hate reading books and ranting about them is one of my favorite forms of procrastination.

@Swiftsdragons

9 ай бұрын

Lol

@randomshenaniganery6697

9 ай бұрын

your pfp is golden

BITCH WHAT THE HELL 😭 This would be SO GOOD as a horror novel with a revenge story where Fallon sets HIM on fire, but naur, we have to endure Colleen's "writing"

@DisWriter

9 ай бұрын

I'm in for that book!

@Gchildwarrior

9 ай бұрын

I would want her to torch his manuscripts as well

@ultravioletcatastrophe

9 ай бұрын

the way you just wrote a better story in a single comment than the best-selling author did

@Yuktha

9 ай бұрын

OMG I JUST IMAGINED HER SETTING FIRE TO HIM WITH A MATCHSTICK WHILE CREEPILY SMILING THAT IS SO DAMN GOOD

@tommy25185

9 ай бұрын

Like Jennifer's body but with fire and not the devil well unless you count Ben

The most unrealistic thing about this is that in the whole years between seeing this man she never met another dude or had a best friend who told her how fucked up her situation was

@rainl4750

7 ай бұрын

Tbh I think that's realistic (speaking from experience)

@kinglewis6553

4 ай бұрын

Not only did they not tell her they're the ones that helped him crash the date with the other guy. Then jumped him in the parking lot.

NOT "THIS GIRL IS ON FIRE" AT THE END 💀

props to those two women who rejected fallons dad dodge a bullet

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

the only women with any sense in coho books

Finally, a successor to your Sarah J. Maas era. Nature is healing.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

sarah j maas: who are you? colleen hoover: i'm you... but stronger

@user-ly8gn4tg7l

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Author battle!

@kseni_vely

9 ай бұрын

Naaaaaaah... 😂 SJM just writes bad fantasy smut. This? CoHo? It is a traumatic experience I can't even put on a scale.

@sofia_c_1

9 ай бұрын

​@@kseni_vely Maybe you need some log paper.

@TheFlowerbeast

9 ай бұрын

We've moved on from fury dicks. Now it's time for boobies and panties. Iconic

Girl I'm wearing a red thong right now and my whole body tensed up during the whole first interaction. I need to burn these

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

LOL UR BEN'S DREAM

The most unrealistic part of this book is that a last minute red eye flight from LA to NY costs $400

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Lol if only

@ShayLaLaLooHoo

3 ай бұрын

The ticket was for the top-secret seat in the luggage compartment

colleen is like a case study on white womanhood & patriarchy. like... a sociologist would have field day with her.

@blutygar

9 ай бұрын

And a field day with her audience for how popular her books are, enough to be bestsellers...

@adrianomaly1760

9 ай бұрын

Ms Hoover giving that “I want to trap you in a glass bottle and study you like a bug” energy.

@sao-me1lt

9 ай бұрын

the fact that she has a degree in social work is very concerning

@khadijahzzx4736

9 ай бұрын

@@sao-me1lt STOP SHE DOES??? youre lyingggg what poor souls had their lives ruined by her omg i feel so baddd

@catemccarran3706

7 ай бұрын

This actually explains A LOT. Thank you for sharing.@@sao-me1lt

The ending really aggravated me, because Ben ruined Fallon's entire career and body, and also violated a restraining order, yet she still forgives him, for seemingly no real reason, other than that it's a romance novel. It would work better as a thriller, in my opinion.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

100% agree it shouldve been a thriller lol

@hatchet1013

9 ай бұрын

Why is it that every Colleen Hoover novel would be better as a thriller 😅

@roselover411

9 ай бұрын

This definitely falls in line with every Colleen Hoover book I've heard of 😅

@TT33533

9 ай бұрын

The ending pissed me off tbh

@SimBits

9 ай бұрын

Well now I want to rewrite this book from her perspective as she treats him like the terrifying stalker he is

This book has traumatized Cindy so much she could re read Acotar and swoon at Rhysand allowing Feyre to make choices that he would be ok with.

"I know, I know, but he's the only father you have" Me, not having spoken to my father in years and being much better off for it 👁👄👁 Bruh that just pisses me off so much 😂 Honestly, so much happier not having a father rather than having a shitty one.

@lee2791

9 ай бұрын

"he's the only father you have" and thank GOD for that because i couldn't handle another!

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Exactly lol

@eincryptid

9 ай бұрын

@@lee2791 lmao! So true 😭👏

@mer_acle8101

9 ай бұрын

for real, my father would face nc right now if it weren't for my mom and sister, and I'd lose nothing for it. And my father didn't forget about me in a fire

@j.yang7

9 ай бұрын

I hate it when someone forces their partner to reconcile with the family they've distanced from for a reason - especially when they assume just because they get along with their own family every other family should work the same

The fact that Fallon was burned as severely as she was over so much of her body, but she doesn’t apparently have any numb areas or loss of range of motion or function with her arms or legs tells me that Hoover did no research about burn victims or burn victim recovery. I have nothing to say about Ben other than I’m so sad that Fallon didn’t find out what he did until after the statute of limitations expired.

@sleepopeepo

9 ай бұрын

It totally checks out to me that she does no research. There's another book where the twist is "this secondary character secretly has cystic fibrosis", even though in reality CF usually has some pretty obvious symptoms and lifestyle requirements that you could not conceivably hide from anyone you spend more than hour at a time with. It baffled me that she chose CF when there are so many other conditions that are much, much less visible that she could have used for that plot point

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

I highly doubt she knows the severity of fourth degree burns cuz that was pretty much glossed over quickly lol

@andyenglish4303

9 ай бұрын

Oh my god. The statute of limitations for Arson in California is 6 years. No wonder Ben agreed to the stupid 'date once a year' plan. He was a mastermind all along.

@mittag983

9 ай бұрын

​@@withcindyShe would have lost part of her limbs

@mst3kharris

9 ай бұрын

@@andyenglish4303 I know! I was so mad when I looked it up!

Bro how dare he cause the accident that left her scarred and then blames her for feeling insecure about having scars 😂 are romance authors ok??

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

the AUDACITYYYYY

@crazysmall.artist

9 ай бұрын

To answer your question, NO.

@azlyn1lyn

9 ай бұрын

Is Colleen Hoover okay?*

@veronikaw6547

9 ай бұрын

It's probably his own guilt that makes it unbearable for him to see her struggling with the consequences of his actions 😅

@mamorumobushi2217

9 ай бұрын

​@@veronikaw6547he has no guilt... Just amusement

The true equality is that we have both women writing men badly as men writing women badly. But seriously, I’m concerned that Colleen might possibly think this is a healthy and great relationship.

@maddieb.4282

9 ай бұрын

Colleen writes everyone badly! Lol

@justradiclesandco

9 ай бұрын

@@maddieb.4282 Fair enough, haha

“So how did you two meet?” “Well, I was stalking her dad because I found out he dated my mom before she died, then in a fit of anger I lit her house on fire, where she was horrifically scarred, then years later, I began dating her on false premises. It’s really been a blur”

I genuinely feel so concerned for the people who like Colleen Hoover and say that her love interests are the best and that her writing is so poetic, like babe, are you okay?

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

I do think theyre easy to read as a palate cleanser between more dense books tbh

@Sophia-rq6oo

9 ай бұрын

I think avid Colleen Hover fans who read her works unironically must’ve skipped the “reading unhinged fanfic written by other teens during your teenage years” phase. That’s the only explanation I can come up with tbh

@yasmineh.1333

9 ай бұрын

@@Sophia-rq6oo I've seen this explanation everywhere for like a year now, and it's kinda true... for the younger ones. Adults have always been into kinda trashy romance

@DisWriter

9 ай бұрын

So, as a therapist I can tell you that they might end up being okay. I see has a bad case of Human Giver Syndrome as typical women are taught to be human givers to the man's human being-existence. I think some women can just read the fantasy of it but not live it as much. Like they can watch The Bachelor and still be "okay." It speaks volumes that many women who write these books are single. They can't be "givers" when they write all the time.

@Andrein.3237

9 ай бұрын

@@DisWriteruhhh? I was ready to read some Colleen Hoover comedic and serious criticisms in the comments but this comment took me out Lots of red flagsss lol wouldn’t want this type of therapist

Ben is giving me HUGE toxic positivty vibes, sometime a girlie just needs to stew and complain, you don't have to give a whole ass lecture

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

toxic positivity while simultaneously setting her house on fire

@DisWriter

9 ай бұрын

You also truly don't have the right to tell them to be positive when you caused the injuries.

@a.b.2405

9 ай бұрын

@@DisWriterTHIS RIGHT HERE!

@violetsden

8 ай бұрын

​@@DisWriterFACTS

@elle8898

8 ай бұрын

sarta nb henrique oestá é mapa opl pomada opções que é opções l polpa o ppgp é é loka os oi mãe otudo bem okpko

At first, I didn't click on this, because I JUST watched two VERY long reviews of this book. But then I realized that, if there's anyone I need to hear roast this book, it's DEFINITELY Cindy.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Glad I could provide ❤️

The fact that the original copy of this book (2016 version) had an sa scene which was approved by multiple people AND was published is insane to me

@BellaBedella

9 ай бұрын

WHAT

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

I'm glad I did not read that version

@skurinski

3 ай бұрын

So?

@ShambhaviSingh24

3 ай бұрын

what does sa scene mean??

@reliablenarrator4281

3 ай бұрын

​​@@ShambhaviSingh24trigger warning here, SA stands for s*xual assault. So it'd be a scene of someone being hurt in that way.

The fact that the beginning scene where Ben fetishizes Fallon's scars is horrible enough without context, but with context, it becomes 10 times worse. Without context: Random-ass stranger ogles a woman and her burn scars, gets way too close for comfort to her, talks about ther scars quite inappropriately, and is an overall douchebag. With context: The man who BURNED this woman years ago manages to find her at the restaurant, ogles her, and seems to want to look at her scars to probably "see the damage" HE CAUSED. And yet people still call this book a romance, and it sickens and concerns me at the same time.

@babyjenks9391

9 ай бұрын

I remember clearly an episode of the show "Lie to me" with Tim Roth in which the only survivor of a serial killer now in prison, left with horrific disfigurations, is found out to have married the killer copy-cat, who showed himself as a doting husband, but in reality was getting off all the time on all the pain she had to endure in her daily life. The fact that this plot reminded me so vividly of this horrifying fictional crime story tells everything there is to know about it

@lorettabes4553

9 ай бұрын

Wtfff

@galaxyocicat5660

9 ай бұрын

You said what i thought. I was too tired from disbelief to say how garbage this book is. The main love interest should be thrown off a bridge tied.

@ViratKohli-ow5rv

7 ай бұрын

But this was just an accident his intention was not to harm the Fallon

@jackrichardson9863

6 ай бұрын

@@ViratKohli-ow5rv What does that change exactly?

i think colleen hoover got smooth talk and sexual harassment confused.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

it's the same thing right????? right?????

@coolguy4425

9 ай бұрын

romance is truly alive

the way collen hoover writes women like men write women amazes me to this day

girl you are HEINOUS for that outro music 😭

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Hehe

"You make me want to swear men of forever", said the girl to her dad, the girl who then goes on a date with a guy that only objectifies her and wants to know everything about her underwear.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

She hasn't had the greatest examples of how men should behave

@DrZuluGaming

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget he's also literally responsible for her emotional and physical trauma.

The fact that MC's mum read the whole manuscript and her overwhelming conclusion was to push her daughter towards the person who (unknowingly) caused her to get burned, and is incapable of saying anything that isn't sexual harassment. Like, with parents like these, who needs enemies?

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Every person in her life has truly failed her lol

@squidwardtentacles7144

9 ай бұрын

That's literally what I was thinking when I read the end. I was like "what type of mother would push their daughter into the hands of her abuser". I can't believe this is people's favorite book.😭

@queenoffabulous2156

9 ай бұрын

Personally, my mother probably wouldve hunted Ben for sport but I guess everyone's parenting style is different

@FattySantaXD

9 ай бұрын

​@@queenoffabulous2156🤣🤣

@FattySantaXD

9 ай бұрын

Also this is the same character who told her kid not to date until she's 23 and her prefrontal cortex has developed a bit, thereby giving us the (undeniably shaky) premise of the book. It's the consistency for me.

it's actually impressive how ben always, without fail, has the worst possible take just sitting in his back pocket. "you should be grateful for your scars because it could've been worse", "your dad is a pos but you should have a relationship with him anyway because you're blood-related", "su!cide is the most selfish thing a person could do", like i'm about to get a bingo on my Red Flag Opinions board y'all

Just noticed now, but the reveal that he was behind the fire also makes more disturbing how he keeps blaming her for her insecurities about the scars. It's not just toxic positivity, the scars are actually his fault, but this way he is separating from them and blaming his victim while assigning himself the role of the savior. It turns the whole thing from being simply tactless to actively manipulative.

She literally could’ve taken that manuscript as evidence and sued that man for every penny! 🗣️ what kind of Tom foolery was that ending???

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

TAKE HIS ASS TO COURT

@ShayLaLaLooHoo

3 ай бұрын

I heard someone say he only revealed this _after_ the statute of limitations had run out :( so he _waited_ until she couldn't get the law involved to come clean.

This book should have 100% been marketed as a thriller, I'm genuinely terrified of this man

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

That would have required self awareness

@NoelleMar

9 ай бұрын

I’m 20 minutes in and I know the 18 year old’s life is in danger

@ninavale.

9 ай бұрын

exactly...esp with the way Ben fetishizes the scars he caused. Usually, this is a plot in a thriller or a detective story where a girl is stalked by some deranged murderer/serial killer/arsonist who developed an obsession bc she "escaped" or is "the perfect" whatever for him and it all culminates in either her shooting him or him being dragged away by cops after final confronation. While she stands there, in rain with sirens blaring and illumnating her face. and if there is romance the lead investigator/private detective who helped her with the case is standing there with her and she has his jacket over her shoulders. CoHo saw this thrope and went "Let's reverse it and make it a romantic story with happy ending where she chooses the deranged stalker! It's so romantic! He's so in love with her!"

So he ruined her entire life and he didn’t even have the decency to be sexy about it

@enriquesanchez9016

2 ай бұрын

LOL XD

33:25 That part reminds me of a time I was working at a Chinese restaurant. A man in his forties asked me for the sushi menu. I told him we didn't have sushi. He asked "what kind of Chinese restaurant doesn't have sushi?" He was VERY upset when I explained to him sushi was Japanese and not Chinese.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

wowwwww

@samantharau9687

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Yeah. My manager and I laughed about it later because he tried telling him how rude it was on me to correct him 😅😅😅

@adrianomaly1760

9 ай бұрын

That’s just horrid. You poor creature.

@enriquesanchez9016

2 ай бұрын

@@samantharau9687 He literally talked to the manager? What in the male Karen is that? 😂

How does Ben expect to publish this book? He confessed to arson in the book 😭

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

That's how he drives publicity

"Kind of like blue balls, but in my stomach instead of my balls." I can see Ben the writer's creative writing classes are going super well! His prose is so Shakespearean.

Colleen's obsession with the word "panty/panties" needs to be studied

i feel mad for fanfic writers who get a bad rep when this is whats published

@special7217

6 ай бұрын

Agree. Shows the publilshers have no shame, and fans of this trip have no taste and no brains.

We've had some pretty wild love interests over the years. This man has to be the entire sewer for Cindy to say that he's the WORST

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

i can confidently say he is

@sleepopeepo

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Warren from CoHo's book Maybe Not would like a word

@insazzie

9 ай бұрын

no i definitely think the love interest in hook is worse than ben 😭

@tinymxnticore

9 ай бұрын

The fact that he was both an annoying little pervert with the brain of a twelve year old boy AND the person responsible for disfiguring and nearly killing her was such a gag 🤭

@NoelleMar

9 ай бұрын

@@sleepopeepomaybe only the same author can defeat herself?

Tiktok made me believe the male interest biggest betrayal was him hooking up with his dead brother's girlfriend, not that he's the reason for why this girl's dreams and careers were tarnished

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Ngl he gagged us with that fr

@mittag983

9 ай бұрын

Both is bad and that he did both makes it much much worse

"maybe women shouldn't have been taught to read" killed me

And let’s not forget the scene that was taken out of the book in 2017+ reprints because of 2 booktuber reviews. The scene was Ben crashing a date Fallon was on and he cornered her in a closet and started touching her and when she said “stop” he continued and said “ask me again”. CoHo books are the worst

"look at our sons big balls!" and "i'm thinking about her boobs. both of them." are truly the funniest fucking lines in colleen's books

@falconeshield

9 ай бұрын

Romance novels are erotica for people who never had sex.

@maddieb.4282

9 ай бұрын

@@falconeshieldsome romance novels are quite good. And adding an emotional through line and good character building can make erotica sections even more satisfying. Just because this author is a horrific POS doesn’t mean all romance is bad or that the people who read it (btw it’s the most popular genre) are pathetic or loser virgins like you seem to think

@mer_acle8101

9 ай бұрын

GRAB MY BOOB BEN... GRAB THE OTHER ONE... GOD HE IS SO TELEPATHIC

Cindy's face after "they're both Asian food" 😭😭 WHAT ON EARTH COLLEEN?!

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

I feel like she just writes whatever random crap floats in her mind for dialogue lol

@SchulzEricT

9 ай бұрын

I don't get it. Are they not both Asian food?

@analeasejac4703

9 ай бұрын

@@SchulzEricT they're from two different countries in Asia. Like comparing Italian and French dishes bc they're both European and saying you like the same food

@indigoimouto3703

9 ай бұрын

​@@SchulzEricTPakistani food is also Asian food and let me tell you it is nothing like sushi. If you're assuming it's just a misunderstanding or lack of info, then you should know Asians are constantly considered as all the same and not heard or respected when they try to explain their cultural practices or why such and such thing is insulting to them. At first it's annoying. Later it becomes insulting, degrading, and exhausting to constantly deal with ignorance presented as facts

@cindellednic

9 ай бұрын

​@@withcindySeriously the entire thing sounds like someone who's nervous and can't stop rambling

I am gonna say this as a man, everytime Ben thought about her body (and especialy when he told Fallon about starring at her ass) i was so creeped out

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Imagine how we feel 😭

@hujan1744

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy yeah that was my first thought, the fact there are men out like that makes me ashamed

,,All this time I thought he was a weirdo with a burn victim fetish, but it turns out he is a weirdo with a burn victim fetish...and an arsonist. '' 😭😭😭

Someone please explain to me why, in a book filled with lots of terrible stuff, the thing that annoys me most is the atrocious treatment of Fallon's injuries? And I don't just mean Ben basically telling her to get over it. I mean that Colleen Hoover clearly did absolutely no research on burn severity and treatment; she basically treats 4TH DEGREE BURNS like Fallon just accidentally burned her arm while taking pizza out of the oven or something, instead of the life-threatening, life-changing injuries they are.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

bruh whats so funny is that i looked up november 9 on tiktok and ppl were doing makeup looks for Fallon and they were literally just fake scratches on her cheeks LOLLLL

@Lady_Ginnie

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Oh, no, really??? That's actually really funny! Probably what Colleen Hoover envisioned too, in all honestly, lol!

@mst3kharris

9 ай бұрын

I had a unilateral mastectomy. As a result I have numb patches on the underside of my arm and back and I had to do a few months of physical therapy to get full use of my arm back. There’s no way Fallon is done healing after two years.

@DisWriter

9 ай бұрын

It probably annoys you the most because she uses disability and disfigurement as a plot device for her characters to have "weakness" and "insecurity" rather than realizing REAL people identify as being disabled or disfigured and they aren't weak or insecure due to their disabilities but who could blame them for reacting negatively to people like Ben aka Colleen who view them as objects to project their own insecurities on.

@danaslitlist1

7 ай бұрын

@@DisWriteryou beautifully captured my hatred for Hoover’s writing about disability as a disabled reader. This is just wonderfully said.

I think this book should've ended with her lighting HIM on fire cuz what the fuck

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

That would have slayed

@mittag983

9 ай бұрын

Female rage is always iconic

@cyndit9054

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy No, it would have been lit

It's not that she writes the bad, it's that she writes the worst possible route. It's not only that the literal love interest caused the main character's injuries, is that SHE is the one who has to apologize. It's not that his mom ended herself, is that she was going to die anyways so it was all for nothing. This is truly inspiring, every time I think it can't get worse, she finds a way 💪🏽

Her other book is a student teacher “romance”, and another is a step sibling “romance”.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

What r they called

@o_o-lj1ym

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy”slammed” is the student teacher and “ugly love” is the step sibling

@mittag983

9 ай бұрын

And the teacher is unrealistically 21 and she 17

@emilytemple3829

9 ай бұрын

Actually loved slammed. Years ago even went to event with her when she promo ugly love in my country back 2015(?) after that no single book for her i read and this boom for her books took me with wft

@aquariussolaris2492

7 ай бұрын

She wanna be vc andrews so bad

The amount of courage that this love interest has to go on a whole rant about her panties… the first time they met…

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

it gets so much worse

@GrandGrimory

9 ай бұрын

Courage? More like the sheer AUDACITY, you mean.

Cindy, who is blackmailing you to read all these Colleen Hoover books?? 😂

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

youtube ad revenue

@07tthom

9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

the sex scenes in mainstream books make me realize how many people need to read more fanfic

The sheer AMOUNT of "panties" related lines?? Like girl please find another joke I'm begging you

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

She rly just took one joke and ran with it the whole time

I was telling my mom about November 9 and she immediately figured out the plot twist. When I asked her how she knew, she told me and I quote, "I just imagined the worst possible thing." 😂😂

We’ve done it. We’ve found a love interest more disgusting than Book 5 Rhysand. I didn’t think it was possible. Holy shit.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

we did it everyone!!!!

@falconeshield

9 ай бұрын

​@@withcindyHurray?

@xRaiofSunshine

9 ай бұрын

Congrats?

@v_loves_books

9 ай бұрын

In like a funeral type celebration like oh no what has the romance genre become why is it so toxic

@adrianomaly1760

9 ай бұрын

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at this point i can’t fathom how people read her works AND she’s a bestselling author…

@Lovefortea448

9 ай бұрын

No because honestly, if she was graded in any education system, it be a C at best

@limalepakko6074

7 ай бұрын

Probably hate reading and morbid curiosity. Then again, people really loved Twilight too and still do so I don’t know

@manmoy4104

7 ай бұрын

​@@limalepakko6074having only seen clips of Twilight on yt, are the books of Twilight anywhere as diabolical as November 9

@valolafson6035

2 ай бұрын

And that people call her writing wonderful and lyrical.

I lost it when you said she apologized to him. Like what?? He intentionally provoked the fire that almost killed her, sexualized her from the first moment he met her and hid the truth for years??

@special7217

6 ай бұрын

We have hit a new low when this crappy story sells a lot. That story sounds like a guy who's a serial killer with a thing for hurting people.

Last week my coworker told me that my shirt had the same color scheme as this book cover and I’ve never been so offended and I’ll probably burn it now

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

omg coho aesthetic!

@nafissamills15

9 ай бұрын

😭😭

@dania7989

9 ай бұрын

COHO-CORE ✨️

@tatiana2696

9 ай бұрын

​@@dania7989 Already dialing my therapist number after this one 💀

@ivanajovanovic2337

9 ай бұрын

Cohemian vibes ✨🔥

The part which unnerved me the most is that Fallon likely never would have slept with Ben had she known upfront what he'd done. Also, Ben's mother is presented as sympathetic, yet she could have simply told her sons about her illness, instead of traumatising them further.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

yea fallon got over that violation pretty quickly

i can't believe coho called pad thai and sushi "almost the same thing" because they're both asian food. i would rather be called a slur than have someone say that to my face.

@cursedalien

5 ай бұрын

I'm looking through the comments before watching the whole video, and I was under the impression that they just ate both at the same time (I've eaten so many different foods at the same time, so many cursed meals), but that's way worse.

That death stare at asian food moment was truly poetry.

If she wanted the love interest to be so obsessed with the lack of panty lines, why did she have the main character wearing DENIM??? Does Colleen Hoover think everyone wearing jeans is going commando because she can't see the lines of their underwear?

"What she perceives as romance" Not even a minute in and Cindy is snatching wigs and taking names. You know this is gonna be a good one.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

She certainly did write whatever she thinks is romance!

putting girl on fire as the outro song really got me

Ben's "motivational" speeches sound like what Alpha Bros would say on their podcast

the only way i can console myself after hearing about this book is by remembering the balls line in ugly love and knowing nothing can be as bad as that

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

the what line.....

@GunmetalRaven

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindy Spoiler.... During a sort of flashback, the male love interest is remember how he had a baby with his stepsister. Just before they end up having a car accident that results in the death of the baby, his step sister is like, "Thank you for giving me this baby." And he's like, "The only thing he got from me was his big balls." And then it goes "And we both laugh about how big our son's balls are". Then they drive into a body of water and the baby drowns. In short - they were apparently not big enough to be flotation devices.

@miahopedowd

9 ай бұрын

@@GunmetalRavenflotation devices omg 😭

@AddaFreestyle

9 ай бұрын

This is the best interpretation of that chapter 😂@@GunmetalRaven

@bethmartin7583

9 ай бұрын

@@GunmetalRaveni'm sobbing bc i knew abt the balls line out of context but i had NO IDEA abt what happens after lmfaoooo. the fact that i have had friends recommend that book to me is insane

Mainstream media dealing with characters that are disfigured and or disabled? Yikes. Either it’s tragedy tinged with cringe comedy or it’s inspiration porn that’s saccharine. There is no in between.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

it never turns out well lol

@tsifirakiehl4250

9 ай бұрын

One of these days, I’m going to write a story with a disabled protagonist who’s actually treated like a normal person.

@personunknown491

9 ай бұрын

I have a disability myself and the lack of GOOD representation really bums me out sometimes. Even in fantasy which I read most of its either the disabled person will get magically cured or something, and it's never truly part of that characters unique individuality.

@PokhrajRoy.

9 ай бұрын

@@personunknown491 The ‘getting cured’ business is a slippery slope.

@orion.the.pathman

9 ай бұрын

I'm disabled and tbh this extends to real life. people treat me as a tragedy, a comedy or as inspiration porn and never as a real complete human being

Before listening to the "plot" of this novel I identified as asexual, after listening to it I am now Extra Asexual.

i almost got burned from hearing ben gaslight the hell out of fallon jesus

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

he gaslit her literally and figuratively

I am convinced that Colleen Hoover does not like women

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

after reading her books, neither do i

November 9th is the date my mother passed.. when I first heard there was a book with this title I was so intrigued because of what the date means to me. The more I learned of the plot the more horrified I’ve become and know I will never read it.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Omg ur mom didn't deserve this

@falconeshield

9 ай бұрын

Leave Violette's mom alone!

Are we going to forget that Ben got involved with the wife of his death brother and act as a father to his baby nephew, just to abandon them for someone who only met for like 4 times, all in less than a two years period? WTF Ben.

"I have never in my life felt so ashamed to be a reader" is a wild sentence to start with lmao love you Cindy ❤

Cindy ending this video with Girl On Fire is why I have tea all over the front of my shirt

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

spilled the tea, literally

When Cindy says that's the worst love interest she's read about then that says something, from the number of horrible love interests we've seen on this channel.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

ben is number 1 for me. he is just consistently bad. and he doesnt shower

@hannahhannah7002

9 ай бұрын

​@withcindy more fun video with a tier list of all time worst book love interests?

@RogueVideoRaven

9 ай бұрын

@@hannahhannah7002March Madness bracket for horrible love interests

@DisWriter

9 ай бұрын

I'll take that Capitan Hook dude any day. I only watched her vids of these books but I don't need to read them to know this.

@mani-ei5kq

9 ай бұрын

@@withcindycyborg dog human ben > november nine smelly ben 100%. anyone who disagrees with me is wrong 🤗

Cindy: *talking about all the psychic damage she took by even opening this book* Me: *doing laundry* yessss girl tear them to shreds

This book is so horrible I can’t even finish the video. I can’t imagine the pain Cindy went through to read this and make a video for us. We appreciate your sacrifice 😭😭😭😭

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Tell me about it

The male love interest really said "I wanted to push her towards the roaring traffick" and also try to gaslight her that him causing the incident that almost killed the main mc. The amount of mental gymnastics I had to do to finish this book was unparalleled.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

Rereading the quotes is so much worse knowing what he did lol esp after all the inspirational speeches he gave

The last chapter made me gag: this girl asking for forgiveness, having to read his thoughts AGAIN about her panties, every single time they talk! nobody talks like THAT! That last "bookish" talk. I wish I never learned English so while watching this video I would only hear gibberish.

@withcindy

9 ай бұрын

i wish i was jared, 19

not a burn victim, but as someone with visible scars, struggles with an ed, and chronic illness, i absolutely hate ben his fetishising of trauma and toxic positivity. if someone did what he did to me, he would be gone. immediately. screw you, ben.

33:26 You can see the moment the light leaves Cindy's eyes