I watched Tony McKenzie's deep dive on this amp, and by all appearances, she's a little gem! If you live in the UK (where's its significantly cheaper) and like the way the amp looks and sounds, it seems to be a no-brainer. The manufacturers aren't stupid - they know when they're making junk and when they're making a quality amp. They should have had the confidence to let a couple of amp mechanics show off what's under the hood. I don't understand why Marshall wouldn't have given the amp to a couple of popular techs out there. Maybe they figure people aren't interested in making informed buying decisions? Sales 101: Features - Advantages - Benefits. This amp has a lot of F.A.B. and Marshall should taken advantage of that. Thank you to everyone who watched and commented. Even the peopled who 👎 - we need a world where people can disagree and constructively criticize and still all be friends.

@victor493

9 ай бұрын

Well said 😊

Take a look at Tony McKenzie’s review just posted - he took it apart and comments extensively. And he is not being paid for the vid at all…

6 and a half minutes of basically saying nothing

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

I have hours of videos of much the same if you're interested.

@bryansanders7441

11 ай бұрын

@@TonePriest i was hoping you had one of these amps and were answering all the questions you raised

@j.f.6465

2 ай бұрын

Yes, 6 and a half mins of basically saying nothing... and a jab of racist anti-Chinese sentiment.

For the last 20 years plus, I've chosen to own and play only hand-wired amps with turret board construction with pots, jacks, switches and tube sockets all chassis mounted. Not only are they often constructed with higher quality components and TCL during the build, but they are also much easier for me to service or repair at home.

@watersnortmoment3734

10 ай бұрын

After I bought a Ceriatone I’m sticking to hand wired amps from now on as well, I’m not at all electrically inclined, yet they made it easy enough for me to bias, since it’s external.

Tony McKenzie tore one apart. Actually everything looks really really surprisingly good. Nice jacks, resistors mounted way off the board even the 5w ceramics, everything checks out.

@hawedehre

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, watch that video.

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Thank you vry much, Craig. I'll check that out now for sure.

Totally agree, had very similar thoughts-- thanks for sharing

Would love to see a follow up video if you end up getting your hands on one of these. Great video, subbed!

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the sub. Chances of me getting one are about as good as me winning the MegaMillions unfortunately.

@pharmerdavid1432

2 ай бұрын

@@TonePriest If you can't get one, why would you care about what it IS? Why am I even wasting time here............................!

Reading a lot of baseless unfounded whining on this thread, along with Tone Priest's views shared in video. First of all, as a former boutique amp builder, I challenge TP to build and mass market a handwired head with equivalent features and circuit in the US with top grade components for $1700. You'll be out of biz and in debt after the first year. Onesies twosomes here and there for your friends and a few others? Absolutely. Have at it. To the others going on about the "cheap components and PCB"...I've had my two SV20H's out on the road full-time for over two years getting banged around on trucks and loading ramps and haven't had a single issue develop so far. Opened up one of my heads to do a bright cap mod and the traces and solder holes seem solid. Way better than the earlier 70's Marshall PCB's. The items that shouldn't be on the main PCB, like tube sockets, aren't. Knobs and jacks are on their own separate PCB's, just like Ampeg's from the 70's. Hell, even 70's Orange and Ampeg amps had tube sockets on the PCB. Would I like to see a handwired SV20 issued? Yeah for the fun of it. But expect it to run around $3k (in the US at least) easily. But until then, these amps sound great and are proving to be reliable. So there ya go. Continue your whining.

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

You make some very good points. I don't think hand wired necessarily equals high quality. That all depends on the person making the amp. I have no problems with PCB amps or manufacturers making cost effective decisions. My whining is about the fact that we aren't given the opportunity to see under the hood to make in informed buying decision. This amp may be a great deal or it may be a money pit. Time will tell.

@pharmerdavid1432

2 ай бұрын

@@TonePriest Psionic Audio and others will dissect this baby, until then............

You read my mind!

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Great minds think alike.

Your video is more clickbait than the Guitar infomericals. Dude, you didn't tell us squat about the amp. You made some snarky comments and clever edits. That's it and that's a fail.

You make a great point. Most players don't know the difference. I made the mistake of buying a DSL40 and it was in the shop 3 times before I dumped it. Made in Vietnan. It sounded flat as well. I'm very skeptical about build quality on this. It would be nice to have a builder do a deep dive.

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

The DS-40 is a Friedman, correct? That's very disappointing!

@thep2pband

11 ай бұрын

@TonePriest My bad, it was a Marshal DSL-40CV. I do have a Friedman Small Box and it's a quality build, sounds great.

@watersnortmoment3734

10 ай бұрын

For the price, if you’re in the states, you might as well just buy a handwired jtm 45 clone for the same price and get an amp that can actually be repaired.

@thep2pband

10 ай бұрын

@watersnortmoment3734 for sure I own a 1959 100w and a 1987 50w Plexi, JCM800 vertical input and a Friedman Smallbox.

@thep2pband

10 ай бұрын

@@TonePriest No. It was a Marshall DSL 40. Sorry.

I don't understand your video, no answers to your questions. 6 minutes to make a point. If you don't know maybe you shouldn't speculate. Not A Marshall?

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

I apologize if my rambling didn't make sense. I didn't script the video and it seems a few people weren't able to follow my rambling. I did ask questions I unfortunately don't have answers for. How can we as musicians be more informed? I'll do my best to work on the question.

It's almost certainly going to be junk on the inside because that's their business model. They do not want to sell you an amp that will last 10 years. they do not want to sell you an amp that will be cost-effective to repair. The reason is if they did give you that quality, they would not get any repeat business. So they will try to get away with the cheapest quality components and construction while still sucking you in with the great sound. That way when your amp dies on you, you'll likely come back anyway because you want that classic sound. The current release is more or less the same as the SV20 and it will come with those very same cheap input and output jacks, lower grade PCB and a host of other carefully curated components from an unknown source in China. And they try to fool people by advertising them as hand built in the UK, giving the false impression that the quality will be up there with expensive hand-wired amps, when the reality is they are being assembled in the UK with those cheap and nasty imported parts.

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Likely but maybe not. Every once in a while a company will surprise you. For example, I always thought Blackstar amps were junk but their high end stuff is very nice. Back in the 80's the American car manufacturers use the model you describe and the Japanese took the opposite approach. Honda and Toyota are doing very well for themselves. There's a lesson to be learned there for sure.

@yaniv-nos-tubes

7 ай бұрын

@@TonePriest the transformers in the studio jtm are made in vietnam. no surprises, if you want quality get the 1974x.

@pharmerdavid1432

2 ай бұрын

@@yaniv-nos-tubes JTM-1H is made in the UK, and can be plugged into a 4 x 12" cabinet. Yes it's "only" ONE WATT, but can be too loud yet.

Tony McKenzie does a great job with his reviews

On Target, but didn't describe components of what is actually in the Marshall

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Sorry, I don't have one. I would need to watch videos like everyone else. That's kind of the point - there were no videos of someone doing a deep dive on the amp. All there is is a bells-and-whistles fandango. Some viewers pointed out that Tony McKenzie has done the deep dive. That's my next stop after this.

I felt the same, the reviews online are good for tone only. Hopefully less shilling reviews will follow soon

You keep saying nobody tells you this and that then you don't tell us either. So what was the point of this

So tell us what’s in it? Should we spend our money on one or not? You dangled the carrot and then the carrot just vanished.

Please do the same video with SV20H

@muzzasimo6395

8 ай бұрын

Look at gut shots of all the studio series amps, they are all the same pcb platform, lay out, feature set and components. Probably the same Power and Output Transformers too.

The problem with this amp is you can get a Friedman Little Sister for $2-300 less and its handwired still, going after the same vibe. I know my choice.

@modestoney1577

Жыл бұрын

I only see the Friedman Little Sister at about double the price of the Marshall.

@maykolllopez1585

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they’re like €1090 for the combo here luckily. When I moved to Ireland from the states the first thing I did was buy a Studio Jubilee lol

@modestoney1577

Жыл бұрын

@@maykolllopez1585 Yeah, just found out that Friedmans are a lot cheaper and Marshalls way more expensive in the US compared to Europe.

@progpogs

Жыл бұрын

@@modestoney1577 you must not live in the US, the marshall head here is 1799, combo is almost 2k

@rawknotwantnot

Жыл бұрын

Friedman Little Sister, although I'm sure very cool, not the same circuit. And PCB not point to point. May be hand populated (maybe not? I know where they're made), but Marshall's PCB quality doesn't look much different.

whats a better option then?

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

I'm not saying the amp is good or bad - we don't know. I guess the point is we all should become better educated consumers. I hope to do my little part in that endeavor.

@muzzasimo6395

8 ай бұрын

Suhr, Friedman or a good local amp builder who knows what he's doing can easily old school build that JTM circuit with the fx loop, using high quality components and better than the 20w - 5w switch, install Power Scaling. Then you'll have a life long serviceable keeper quality tube amp. Unfortunately, the truth is the large amp companies stopped building quality gear a long long time ago.

Tried the amp, sounded great, may well be a bit crap on the inside but its sounds great. Bought it. You mention 1700 as the price? I’m guess because of shipping? £800 in the uk… Bargain.

@joaquin8637

Жыл бұрын

yeah buying a marshall in the states its like buying a mesa on the uk

@yaniv-nos-tubes

7 ай бұрын

bought the combo new for 650$ on sale in israel

If you want that old Marshall sound get a friedman

The Marshall Studio series is a dolled up Origin. I believe they even use the same transformers. Like you said, I could build one hell of a 20 watt amp for $1800. I don't even think I could spend that much on parts without ordering custom cabinets and buying a couple Celestion Alnico 12's.

@trumpetplayerdude9838

Жыл бұрын

You could build one for 1800, but what would you sell it for ? Marshall is still a business they need profit margins to survive

@matthewf1979

Жыл бұрын

@@trumpetplayerdude9838 It’s all they worry about and the end product shows.

Exactly. At least tell the reviewers to stagger the reviews out over 6 months so that it's not so obvious. Lyle Caldwell on his Psionic Audio channel made a similar observation during his last live Q&A. But then, I'm guilty too. I bought a Blues Jr. IV and a Monoprice Stage Right 15. But not for $1700. I only hope Marshall has stopped giving themselves a bad name.

@Tanax13

Жыл бұрын

That's just in the US though. It's reverse in Europe (where Marshall is located). Friedman Little Sister is $2000. ST20H is $900. Pretty easy choice in that case, no way am I paying $2k for a 20W Friedman. But that's always going to be the case when you have products that are assembled in Europe, they will be cheaper here compared to in US. And vice versa with US assembled products.

@modestoney1577

Жыл бұрын

@@Tanax13 Exactly.

@mr.giggles4995

Жыл бұрын

​@@Tanax13pretty much everything in the US is expensive, especially if it's manufactured in the US, which almost nothing is these days apart from weapons and insanely priced life-saving drugs that we can't afford.

I would take one of your mother of all amps over this

All I know is it sounds great

Dr Z

How educational do you expect a 5 minute retail amp demo video to be . Here's the Amp here's how it sounds and here is how responsive the pots are . That's the point of the video . Do you really expect the Captain to do a let's put the amp on the bench and pull the chasis type of video.? Do you expect a boutique level clone at the JTM 20 price point? Buy it or don't buy it but stop whining about it.

You get what you pay for… And yeah, you do pay for the name. But it is what it is and I really don’t get your point?

To 90% of players out there you might as well be talking Chinese they have zero electronics understanding that is why most reviews just deal with the basics.

Be nice if we saw you sold the amplifier. Very boring.

Seems half the reviewers got the new marshall st20 studio and the other half got the orange or30. It's all a scam/marketing schemes.

@jordanpratt3821

Жыл бұрын

I don't see how advertising your product is a scheme.

@goobiecaro8135

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanpratt3821 paid representation. Built in bias. I like both brands but is it a true/fair demo??

Empty video

Rambling mess.

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

Agreed.

I can't believe these are $1700, one thing for sure the other vids are paid promotions.

@modestoney1577

Жыл бұрын

Well, here in Europe the Marshall is €900 which are $990. I think that`s a good price.

They won't show the insides because they are garbage. Cheapest components. I bet the traces lift if you look at them wrong.. The fender hot rod amps are supposedly the best-selling amps of all time, and they are trash. So people will lap them up like crazy when they could have gotten a ceriatone etc. People should watch repair videos before they buy and modern amp ! Lol

@TonePriest

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say a Hot Rod is trash. It just has a couple of engineering flaws that can be sorted out by a good tech. But... that's an additional couple hundred bucks. If one put that couple hundy towards a better amp in the first place that would save some heartache. But there the rub - how do we all know what is 'good'?