"I never thought it would happen, I'm becoming a boomer" - man who spent a year of his life branding himself as a 30 year old boomer

@incription

Ай бұрын

you are what you eat

@chase1556

Ай бұрын

@@incriptionLOL

Man who's only asset is his memory says school is easy, who would've thought

@Ghozt5563

Ай бұрын

holy fuck +3 or maybe even 4

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

holy shit

@wieran35000vr

Ай бұрын

Its true, but it's his own daughter that this discussion is about which everyone seems to be missing in this comments section. She will share many of the same traits including his memory; she should be easily able to get Canadian straight As

@AtillaTheSean

Ай бұрын

NOT TRUE he also has a PHAT ass and an impressively broad palate. But seriously I've never seen a bigger -2 from NL. Closest was that react court that was also about punishing children, but that was by making them clean up after their sister's horses.

@xzxzxccxzcw2028

Ай бұрын

@@wieran35000vr There is absolutely no guarantee of this lol genetic inheritance is not deterministic to that degree

Don't ever use exercise as punishment because it fucks up people's relationship with exercise. - sports psychology

@lainothefirst

Ай бұрын

Dont use exercise as punishment cause what if the kids get too strong and powerful? Then you just have 30 waist-high body builders that detest your job position

@rocktheusa

Ай бұрын

Huh. I stay fit no problem. Maybe try adjusting to "don't ever whine on the Internet because nobody else cares there cares what you think", you'll get a lot more people agreeing with you and the likes and validation you seek.

@toddhoward1892

Ай бұрын

@@rocktheusa 👄

@ItzJuanG

Ай бұрын

​@@rocktheusaExtremely normal reaction to a comment essentially saying "Dont make good thing seem like bad thing"

@SmokePudding

Ай бұрын

​@@rocktheusa lol what the hell are you arguing for here

Northenlion : -talks about circumcision Chatter : "HOW DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP?!"

@jackbowman4444

Ай бұрын

There really was no point in bringing it up. circumcision -> do it while young so they can't remember it -> ????? -> teachers should be allowed to chuck footballs at kids

@amaryllis6501

Ай бұрын

he got banned from the silent hill wiki so he doesnt have a place to talk about it anymore

@86pp73

Ай бұрын

​@@amaryllis6501 +2 reference

@ChromePyramid

Ай бұрын

hehehehe... *coming* hehehehe

@annoy4nce648

Ай бұрын

@@amaryllis6501 +2 but also what's the reference?

The way he said "Some of those teachers ain't with us any more" sounded like he took them out 😂

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

A case of delayed onset ryan-induced aneurysm

10:30 when my dad was in school his fifth grade teacher had a thing where she would throw the chalkboard eraser at kids if they were talking while she was teaching, but she also had a rule where if you caught it, you were allowed to try to hit her back with it 🤷‍♀️

@jt2aw15

Ай бұрын

if you caught it you were obviously paying attention

@4purs

Ай бұрын

That’s beast

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

holy based...

@uhoh7545

Ай бұрын

Mein Gott in Himmel Persona 5 reference!!!

@sandenson

Ай бұрын

​@@uhoh7545 Frieren ruined German to me, man. I keep forgetting that the characters are named after random nouns.

NL always with his "neurotypical, only child, good support system at home" takes

@sandenson

Ай бұрын

FOR REAL

@spanzotab

Ай бұрын

who knew a stable upbringing could result in such level-headedness

@JrIcify

Ай бұрын

So this is the power of the "father figure" of which legends hath spoke of.

@noarmsnolife6665

Ай бұрын

​@@spanzotabwell it's more like delusion in cases like this

@elitegenoside

Ай бұрын

Level? That egg is massive!​@@spanzotab

NL makes one good point and then uses it to walk himself to insanity on the other side

@Namarot

Ай бұрын

>NL makes one good point Not in this video lmao

@formerlypie8781

Ай бұрын

​@Namarot he make a few good points in this video, you're just bitter that miss Jensen in 3rd grade was honest and said that you're dumb

@solidpython4964

Ай бұрын

@@Namarot ok, who asked u kid? 😂

@spanzotab

Ай бұрын

@@Namarot sorry your teacher yelled at you for talking in class

@dv_interval42

Ай бұрын

@@Namarot it's fine, the clowns will keep quoting NL for days now

15:22 Wish that "r/teachers has welcomed you back" had him change his opinion like the time chat said "Ricky Gervais has a good bit on this"

@primrose6475

Ай бұрын

wait when did the ricky gervais thing happen ? i'd love to look around for it

@sandenson

Ай бұрын

​@@primrose6475 Iirc the Librarian clipped that moment as "Comedy is ILLEGAL now."

@PotionSmeller

Ай бұрын

Hey when chat started to push back slightly against things he weren't entirely joking about, gotta take all the support he could get. Desperate times, desperate measures.

my insane teacher story is that one of my math teachers tried to frame me with nearly breaking her leg while i was out of country

@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX

Ай бұрын

But consider the butterfly effect where you disrespected a street vendor who was a tenant of a landlord who is the abusive husband of a lady who is the sister of your teacher who distracted her on a phone call while she was driving causing her to break her leg in a car accident

@mazza420

Ай бұрын

@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxXyouve convinced me, i think the maths teacher was onto something here…

@sarahmellinger3335

Ай бұрын

@@mazza420 They can do these big calcs being a teacher and all

@Cornucopia99

Ай бұрын

BWOAH sophie wasn't expecting to see a tm legend here 😄

@Uaene

Ай бұрын

@@sarahmellinger3335wow if you’re using words like "calcs" you must be a hot pro mathletician 😍😍😍🥵🥵🥵

"some day I ain't gonna be with ya any more, it's just dust in the wind man" into the slackers outro is kino

@Q_z_

Ай бұрын

Cinematic genius right there

Dude running defense for school like he got sponsored

@spaghettivase4808

Ай бұрын

Mcdonalds stream part 2

@primrose6475

Ай бұрын

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

My parents wouldn't accept anything less than straight As. But they also refused to medicate my ADHD so it didn't work out for any of us.

@helter1234

Ай бұрын

That fucking sucks. Hope you are doing better now.

@FKATorp

Ай бұрын

Skill issue

@redpepper74

Ай бұрын

@@FKATorpimagine being born with a neurological disorder (couldn’t be me)

@snoopsq.527

Ай бұрын

Yeah, skill issue… for the parents.

@blackjacktrial

Ай бұрын

Had the opposite problem. Family only emphasised the effort not the result (teachers would provide a grade for how hard you worked in class as well as aptitude). My stupid butt doesn't accept anything less than an optimised speedrun A+. Imagine getting 100 on an exam when the grade fails on average, and your brain says you could have done that more efficiently. There's a reason people always approach me with questions and issues - because I have a compulsion to solve and fix things. As for bad teachers - only had one, even if I ended up teaching a few classes when I understood the material better than the teacher. I avoided the worst of this teacher - he's now spending the rest of his life incarcerated for things that are horrible.

I haven’t seen a Librarian comment section this divided since the rant about splitting banana bunches at the grocery store.

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

actual battlefield lmfao

@Gapine330

Ай бұрын

It's because pedagogy is a touchy subject everyone has interacted with at least once and many people have strong feelings about, especially those whose lives were negatively impacted by a poor educational experience. I think it's totally reasonable for those people to speak about their experiences, especially since NL comes across as kinda dismissive of some of the issues here. Maybe some commenters are overreacting a bit but most of the comments I'm reading feel pretty constructive and rational in my opinion.

@TheRadioSquare

Ай бұрын

It's less about being divided and more NL being wildly uneducated on a topic and rapid firing the worst takes about education system based on his anecdotes and assumptions. It's a fairly important part in everyone's life so to treat it like that is just pathetic.

@williammitchell6254

Ай бұрын

Its cause half of chat is middle schoolers living through it lol

@williammitchell6254

Ай бұрын

​@@TheRadioSquarevideo had a lot of takes? What do you think are the worst, don't tell me you think making a kid look at a wall is trauma inducing.

the strawman was getting COOOOOOKED hard in this one

@muhilan8540

Ай бұрын

wdym? he was responding to direct quotes from chatters

@spaghettioverlord3247

10 күн бұрын

@@muhilan8540 he would hear something bad and say “well if you weren’t such a shitty kid it probably wouldn’t have happened” while being given literally zero context to why the punishment happened. He’s literally arguing with his own assumptions.

Had a math teacher that was ex military and he would slam a yard stick aggressively against the wall when he felt that the class was “not understanding the equations on purpose”. I was very good at math and a straight A student but I could see why a lot of the students genuinely didn’t understand because he explained things very poorly. When he would slap the yard stick on the wall I would almost jump out of my chair and sometimes scream. I had a very abusive and chaotic home life and I didn’t understand it at the time but I had/have PTSD. Having a teacher that was so unnecessarily aggressive made for a stressful environment where you were walking on eggshells and I would often be tense and anxious throughout class. I don’t think acting aggressively towards children is okay, and slapping a yard stick is an aggressive action. Also side note but this teacher drank a liter of Diet Coke every morning (8am class) straight from the plastic bottle.

@cubecat7759

Ай бұрын

This is the point in the video that actually needs to be talked about. It's sad that someone having as good of a childhood as NL can be considered a privilege but that's the reality for a lot of children. I know teachers are so overworked and underpaid but come on. Send them to time out or something, if a child is acting up then give them time to cool off like you would for another adult. Kids are people too, and often they don't get taught things that might seem obvious to adults

@periapsis413

Ай бұрын

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Life isn't so clean as NL seems to think.

@throwaway450

Ай бұрын

This is just a bunch of whiny modern american bullshit lmao. Grow a fucking spine. The real world has loud noises, boo fucking hoo.

@isakri9459

Ай бұрын

@@cubecat7759 Except what do you do when you order a kid a timeout but they simply refuse? That's his whole point.

@cubecat7759

Ай бұрын

@@isakri9459 then you get another teacher or the principal or something to take them away to a separate time out space. Man what the fuck, why do people lose all rationality when it comes to kids? If a mentally ill adult were causing a scene you wouldn't physically punish them would you? You remove them from the situation that's causing distress to give them time to calm down. Kids are people too, they just might not know WHY they're freaking out or acting out and causing a scene

Former teacher NL not helping the case against teachers by saying they should be allowed to throw things at children

@KingLoof

Ай бұрын

idk i think r teachers would agree with him they seem to hate children

@dishdaddyssoap8691

Ай бұрын

Brother he was talking about a nerf ball that shit is hilarious

@dishdaddyssoap8691

Ай бұрын

@@KingLoofgenuinely man. Some kids are little demons sometimes though, and thats no dramatization

@gnerus1972

28 күн бұрын

@@dishdaddyssoap8691 if your coworker is being annoying, would you throw something at them just because of that? would you like to get hit with stuff too?

@dishdaddyssoap8691

27 күн бұрын

@@gnerus1972 no, thats an entirely different situation. Our teacher used to do something similar, and we thought it was hilarious. Much better than slamming things like a lot of teachers do around where I’m at. Depends on how you go about it really. Someone could throw things at a kid with the intention to draw attention to them and sort of “mock” them for example. Then thats just detestable. Can’t pavlovs children unless it’s obedience you want, but thats churlish. That I don’t agree with at all, but I understand why it’s done and as long as a kid is being treated with respect at the end of the day then I don’t think it really matters unless it’s something done to them in excess. Just my take on it, and I highly highly doubt its a matter that theres a single right answer for

My take on pre-university education is that your grades have far more to do with the support you have than the “intelligence” of the student, to an extent. If you have a figure in your life who encourages you to do well in school and enforces good grades (usually parents, sometimes other relatives or friends, rarely a teacher or school staff can fill this role), in addition to a relatively healthy home life, you’ll likely be able to make an 80% or above. Of course, other factors like neurodivergence, personal health, and life challenges play a part in it, but my thesis stands that students with a stable home that wants them to succeed are essentially destined to do at least OK in school, and those who experience this are far more likely to go back and say “School is easy” because they started at a better place than their peers. I know I was one of them.

@enotsnavdier6867

Ай бұрын

Bro, I did awful in school, and it's so obvious that school is so easy. My poor performance was literally 100% due to lazyness. And I imagine that's what the vast majority of kids poor performance is a result of

@opossumboyo

Ай бұрын

@@enotsnavdier6867 And you may be correct, but I would argue that being lazy at that age is due to a lack of support structure that enforces the work ethic required to succeed in school. Children have to be taught how to do everything, and conforming to the school system is part of that. The main way kids seem to “fall behind” in class is through constantly getting into trouble, because they don’t have the same structure at school as at home.

@fedweezy4976

Ай бұрын

​@@enotsnavdier6867 most kids i knew who did bad was because of what the original commenter said. And we see this bear out with lower income schools generally having lower class averages. most of my friends had bad home lives or struggled with drugs in highschool or their parents just told them they were stupid. It can look like laziness outside of senior slumps its usually the product of a lack of support in the home.

@AtillaTheSean

Ай бұрын

@@enotsnavdier6867 School is literally just short-term memory. If that's easy for you than more power to you but it's not my strong point. I'm much better at making connections and thinking creatively and I thought I was just a fucking idiot until I got to college because every test was rote memorization of random facts. The current system is a terrible metric of intelligence specifically because of how easy that memorization is for some while kids like me would get a 65% because despite knowing the greater story I struggle with remembering names and dates. I still hate geography because as a kid it just felt like I had to memorize a bunch of gibberish words I've never heard and remember which is where. I tried HARD and still struggled, I truly believe the issue is that the system punishes unconventional schools of thought. I will always be grateful to my 7th grade science teacher who gave me the time of day I needed despite my difficulties, I 100% was on track to drop out before him, and I came damn close in high school but getting into journalism where I was allowed to write concisely and do more photo/video work and suddenly being a "naturally gifted student" was a shock to the system.

@xzxzxccxzcw2028

Ай бұрын

@@enotsnavdier6867 You extrapolated your personal experience and the reason behind it to "the vast majority of kids" without even thinking about the flaw in that logic. Maybe you did awful in school because you specifically aren't very smart.

NL trying to earn some brownie points for r/Teachers

This the first time in a long time I've genuinely been upset at NL's banter, holy bursh. Currently studying child psych, and hearing him say this stuff so confidently is maddening. I remember a very similar discussion like this during a Dark Souls 1 stream in The Dukes Archives a few years back. Thank you, Librarian, for archiving our man's Ls and Ws alike.

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

i mean the amount of people encouraging/+2ing him was also driving me mad

@Veilure

Ай бұрын

Care to explain why you say he's so wrong?

@cubecat7759

Ай бұрын

​@@TheLibraryofLetourneauthe way he brushed off your wheelbarrow thing was crazy to me. Blisters on your hands??? That's bizarre to say is acceptable for- what? Talking and disrupting class or something? I couldn't think of anything constructive to say that would find its way to him through the sea of twitch chat so instead of a -2 I just wrote [loud incorrect buzzer noise]

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

@@cubecat7759 not even that, my entire class was pretty studious but i think one or two people forgot to do the homework so he collective punished our asses. obviously only the boys were made to do the wheelbarrows but yeah it really fucked with our hands

@cubecat7759

Ай бұрын

@@TheLibraryofLetourneau that's even worse! Collective punishment for a few people forgetting homework doesn't make sense, you can't make them do it or make them remember to do it, you and everyone else were not to blame for that. Obviously the wheelbarrows thing is bad but only having the boys do it is also so unfair. Not really collective punishment at that point.... just punishment of some boys who may or may not have forgotten their homework... I'd like to think if NL had all the context he wouldn't have doubled down but it really makes him look bad now

“I’m pretty chill just get straight A’s” is perhaps the most Tiger Dad take of all time

@dengar96

Ай бұрын

If As in Canada are 80 and above, that's a very reasonable take. Dumb kids can get 80% of questions right.

@Masiyooo

Ай бұрын

"I want to allow my child to enjoy the first 20 years of her life without being ushered into a career focused lifestyle, however, on average she has to get straight A's or I will be disappointed in her." Hmm

@MrTheSmoon

Ай бұрын

​@@Masiyooohe thinks it's a low bar based on his own experience with school.

@jamesmccomb9525

Ай бұрын

​@@MasiyoooI wish you were in chat to say this when he had this conversation just so I could watch the spectacle of him tearing you apart like a starved tiger, salvaging your carcass for the +2's.

@hellopuppykillz123

Ай бұрын

@@jamesmccomb9525reddit ass comment

5:58 Appreciating Kate in the chat just going “he is a nerd”.

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

she's chat's champion fr

Having to skip the librarian sysyphus vids to watch the full thing on NL's channel but I decided to click on this. Popping in and seeing the Boulder fall backwards past the ice section he's taken 3 videos to get past is heartbreaking

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

yerp...

@Keshein

Ай бұрын

One must imagine Sisyphus happy

NGL randomly one day in high school I decided to start seriously studying and not goof off in class because I couldn’t coast anymore in math. So I thought that just working hard meant you automatically had success because I got straight A’s for the first time in my whole life. But later on when I took calculus, I distinctly remember one of my classmates who did everything they could to succeed in the class but despite their work (staying afterschool all the time, taking copious notes, asking questions, and homework) they still couldn’t get a passing grade on any exam, and switched out to statistics or something instead. So I don’t think it’s as simple as do your homework and study and you’ll trounce middle/high school, as much as people like me might like to believe because for us that worked. And I definitely don’t see it as a smart/dumb dichotomy either. I just think it’s complicated and casting a big judgment call on anyone who doesn’t get good grades in all their classes being just bad students doesn’t really make sense

@Veilure

Ай бұрын

Good thing that's not what he did! He's literally only talking about his daughter here.

@ratfry

Ай бұрын

@@Veilure I mean, not really. He used his expectations for his daughter as a spring board to go into an insane sequence of overgeneralizing takes. He literally said "if you don't get A's in school you're lazy" lmao, a take which is especially absurd considering homework and exams are fundamentally different tasks where a person can be great at one and abysmal at another.

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

He's right about that for the majority of school years anyway. There's just a line a subject can cross and become too advanced for someone's interests or constitution/mindset at the time they're taking the class. You can come back years later to something you failed and think it's easy, or even have difficulty with something you used to understand.

@realcirno1750

16 күн бұрын

he had another very very rude awakening if he went into statistics after failing calculus 💀💀

NL's points really dont make any sense he's right that you really cant force a kid to do anything. So if you tell a kid to go do wall sits and they actually go do it you probably could have just told them not to do whatever was bothering you. A kid whose actually bad is just gonna say no. I've worked with special needs kids before and most of them are very disruptive but no one has ever needed to make them do physical punishments or anything like that nor would I think it would work

I’ve never seen more -2s in one clip hooolyyy

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

its impressive how much he doubles down honestly

@PersonCalledErin

Ай бұрын

@@TheLibraryofLetourneau Librarian King are you on our side the wall of -2s is building for sure

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

@@PersonCalledErin i think i have a misplaced annoyance with his notion that school is easy cause i guess he's just referring to the canadian education system

@PersonCalledErin

Ай бұрын

@TheLibraryofLetourneau yes and no cuz he's also insisting that punishment can't be avoided, and then doubles down on actual punishment that has lasting negative impact

@vitzel33

Ай бұрын

@@TheLibraryofLetourneau i just have to assume that he had a very different school experience than I who went through American Public School, which was rough

People suggesting that suspension and expulsion are better solutions are insane. How is expelling a child from education going to help that child?

@owitc

Ай бұрын

I feel like suspension and expulsions are last means measures for children who are immensely disrupting and refuse to comply. It does not help that specific child, but it helps all the other children in the class. Obviously the big issue here is that oftentimes this is not how those measures are applied.

@ameliad507

17 күн бұрын

I was constantly in detention for being literally 3 minutes late cuz my mom was an exhausted single mother who also probably had adhd like i do lmao. lots of after school detention and one time an in school suspension. just for being a few minutes late. i wish i were exaggerating. the punishment didn’t even do anything cuz i couldn’t just sit there and read. whoopty fuckin doo

-2 honestly and this is coming from a valedictorian. Getting straight A’s is not easy! Being good at school also doesn’t mean you are smart. I have seen teachers be straight up malicious and horrible to students that were clearly undiagnosed with learning disabilities or had bad home lives.

@DevDev-dm3st

Ай бұрын

even average 80? He did say the bar for 80 is lower in canada.

@KayleeRawrzz

Ай бұрын

@@DevDev-dm3st dunno, I’m not Canadian and I grew up in the American school system. Canadians feel free to chime in.

@DevDev-dm3st

Ай бұрын

@@KayleeRawrzz Im not canadian either but let's trust NL here. Straight A's are supposedly easier at Canada since A just needs to be gen 80. Kid has good homelife, teaching parents, NL has money so teacher is probs decently paid and her daughter shows no signs of mental learning disabilities behaviors. So there's not a lot of reason she should get low for elementary. I get where you're coming from though. Where A is treated as the bare minimum for love from the parents is the most stress inducing thing ever. NL seems to be just using A as a goal to strive for rather than a minimum. He has said an occasional B is fine .Hopefully though, when something is amiss with his daughter learning than expected, he won't get disappointed at her too much and affect her mental and instead adopt to fit her needs. Like bad teachers, bullying and/or other stuff. He has said in the clip is his daughter gets like a C for several months straight, he'll talk to her about it. Which is better than most parents.

Can you imagine living a horrible home life and then going to school for your teacher to punish you as well. There are a million problems any child may be facing, and embarrassing them in any way is not how you navigate being their trusted adult for 8 hours a day.

@natefroggy3626

Ай бұрын

He cant imagine that obviously haha

@wannabewallaby3248

27 күн бұрын

the only reason you’d be punished is if you’re acting up in class. There’s tons of kids who have nonstandard home lives that don’t disrupt class, I don’t think that’s an excuse to be a nuisance, being a distraction in class won’t fix whatever problems you’re facing at home. At a certain point, kids need to be told off for acting poorly, and part of a teacher’s job as an adult is to straighten the kids up for the more challenging environments they’ll face in the future. Teachers can definitely do this without being a dick to the kid, but there has to be a point where the student gets reprimanded, because positive reinforcement for bad behavior is not doing anything for that kid

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

Generally you're not gonna get punished for nothing, whatever the reason for the bad behavior can't really get preferencial treatment.

Enemies to lovers, my favorite trope

If I had to do a devil's advocate assignment I still wouldn't be able to defend teachers this much. The man really resorted to "it's a rite of passage"

Honestly the real solution, speaking as someone with education experience myself and with actual sociology and psychology research behind my opinion, is that your mechanisms for incentivizing behavior should be done with rewards and denial of rewards. If everyone is good every day of the week, you get to watch a movie, or eat nachos, or whatever the fuck. If you're bad, you dont get the reward. People want rewards because rewards are pleasurable and it feels good to attain them through your own behavior, so they'll be motivated to be good. Punishment largely doesn't work because they're already alienated from the "ideal" status quo (as NL said, you cant motivate a kid with a threat of bad grades if they dont care about getting them), so they have really nothing to lose by acting poorly.

@jonathannieves2943

Ай бұрын

What would you do if a student wouldn't stop talking or using their phone or whatever despite denying their rewards? I remember when teachers would try stuff like that they usually ended up having to negatively reinforce behaviors eventually. not trying to be devil's advocate just picking ur brain.

@hermoise3751

Ай бұрын

Hey man banger profile picture

@RandomAcronyms

Ай бұрын

​​@@jonathannieves2943there isn't a perfect solution. So it's important to remember the ultimate goal is to minimize disruptions of the class. Every punishment you give out is a disruption of class by default, So going from punishment as the first option to the 4th is already an improvement.

@bassplayer8815

Ай бұрын

@@jonathannieves2943 Said student prolly sits outside for a hot minute

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

@@jonathannieves2943 nl be like "yeah throw bricks at the kid to shut them the hell up"

"it's just blisters!" on the extremities used to take notes with, for several hours after the event, and however much time it took to heal afterward. should've learned how to write with a pencil between your teeth librarian

@monoDRUNK

Ай бұрын

it'd be smth else if it was an injury sustained after hours because, what can any teacher do about some kid burning themselves off-campus. but if it's the result of another teacher's actions that then goes on to affect student performance in other classes... where is this defensible bro

@monoDRUNK

Ай бұрын

not to mention that this affects downtime as well?? and every student regardless of whether they were the ones misbehaving or not??? just pay attention and get straight As bro, ignore the fact that some teachers will punish you alongside your peers regardless of how you act

@spanzotab

Ай бұрын

you can write with blisters, ask a drummer or a carpenter

@monoDRUNK

Ай бұрын

@@spanzotab i'm sure you can and that many instrumentalists can -- i also have to imagine that anyone learning an instrument is choosing to do it

@FranXiT

19 күн бұрын

​@@spanzotab actual psycho take

I know NL was just talking about “normal” teachers, but I feel like just because he never experienced truly bad teachers doesn’t mean they’re uncommon. Hell, as a straight white guy, he probably never saw the worst sides of some of his own teachers. As a closeted gay kid, I experienced a lot of blatant, outright homophobia from more than just a couple of teachers. I wasn’t even out or aware that I was gay, but I was kind of effeminate, so I had teachers who ragged on me for being “a queer” and singled me out disproportionately for punishment (I was a pretty quiet kid, and I had good grades, so it was usually over minor stuff that they didn’t single out other kids for). There were plenty more who just chose not to step in when other kids called me homophobic slurs in class (so long as they weren’t a disruption to anyone but me). I’m not saying it was their job to stop every instance of bullying, but having had a couple of good teachers who actually did something when other kids called me slurs right in front of them, it was kind of obvious to me which teachers just didn’t give a shit. That being said, I still feel like I got off kind of easy compared to what some of my non-white friends went through in school. Most of them, especially the ones who went to schools where most of the teachers were white, have stories of really blatant racism from their teachers. And that’s not just from a few of their teachers, but from a majority of them. There were a lot of micro-aggressions, as well as racism that juuuuust toed the line enough to not get that teacher in trouble with administration (like getting called “lazy,” “stupid,” etc. when none of their white peers got called that). It’s the kind of stuff that you don’t pick up on in school if you grew up up white, and I think there’s a lot more of a power imbalance in these situations then NL realizes. There are plenty of teachers who take advantage of this imbalance to express their bigotry, and if they’re ever called on it they can just lie and rely on the fact that adults are less likely to believe the kid than the teacher. Oh, and I forgot to mention the shit teachers can get away with skyrockets if a student has a disability/is in a special needs class. This is maybe more of a systemic issue than a teacher one, but my middle school had a padded room (padded with those gym mats that you velcro to the walls) and if a kid from the special needs class was having a meltdown or being disruptive, they would just lock them in their, alone, with little supervision and nothing to do, sometimes for hours. The room was next to my social studies class, and my friend, an autistic kid in my grade who was allowed to sometimes attend regular classes, would sometimes be sent there and then I just wouldn’t see him for the rest of the day in any other class. But I digress. Obviously there’s plenty of nuance to this stuff, I’m not trying to make generalizations here, but I feel like NL just kind of went nuclear on this take for no reason based on his gut feelings from his own experiences.

@greyestes2285

Ай бұрын

Oops when I was typing this shit I didn’t realize it was this long…it still looked like a reasonable length in my text window on mobile.

@234fddesa

Ай бұрын

"This is maybe more of a systemic issue than a teacher one, but my middle school had a padded room (padded with those gym mats that you velcro to the walls)" Holy shit that's nutty, what the hell? Why the fuck would that ever be a thing?

@PotionSmeller

Ай бұрын

I feel like the teacher that failed all the guys and passed all the girls is pretty bad, and probably warranted more than a "that's just a rite of passage deal with it" from NL.

@anthithei4374

23 күн бұрын

@@234fddesa Plenty of schools that have padded rooms like that, lock away any kids that have any sort of reactions from being overwhelmed. There are some horrific things that happen to ND kids even as recent as few years ago, I think worst thing I heard (and I wasn't digging for anything of the sort in my life), in the US was some like 11 year old autistic kid being tased to almost death because they didn't want to take off a leather jacket in class

Actual gasleak takes

@spaghettivase4808

Ай бұрын

Sane chatter: "Brussel sprouts are delicious actually compared to the way entertainment for children displays them" NL: "Yes, and here's the worst take about the public education system you have ever heard."

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

@@spaghettivase4808 yeah i was losing my mind. idk if its a canada thing but i was in the second ranked class and almost everyone had to struggle through at least a few of the subjects through the years, it was by no means easy

@illistas

Ай бұрын

Bro was cooking some weird soup man.

@roryburke7857

Ай бұрын

​@@TheLibraryofLetourneauIt's a Canada thing. I'm from Australia and took some classes with my cousin, who was in 11th grade while I had just finished 7th grade. The classes were about the same difficulty. Public education is cooked over there.

His boomer energy was off the charts here

no “x views x fell off” comments nature is healing

@davidjacobson6791

Ай бұрын

Real

@dano2674

Ай бұрын

6 likes in 6 minutes? you fell off the stairs and ravioli on me

@Matkatamiba

Ай бұрын

It's crazy I felt like I was back on 2009 youtube

@foxygrandpa5064

Ай бұрын

You said this on the last three videos?

@tswan137

Ай бұрын

​@@dano2674🫦

there's many -2s in this but the big one for me is taking a borderline useless night school degree and then saying school is easy

We're not seeing an improvement in how we educate children within this lifetime are we

@Freaking_Rat

Ай бұрын

"Kids cannot fucking stand sitting in one place in a building several hours a day let's not wonder why this is and just come up with kids of roundabout violence we can use to make them stop complaining about their very real needs not being met"

@Freaking_Rat

Ай бұрын

"Look at that! Our school systems work in such a way that only a small percentage of all students are actually enriched by them while the rest of them have their lives and health severely compromised by them. Oh well. It's their problem now."

@cerberusthethird

Ай бұрын

@@Freaking_Rat teacher's got nothing to do with that though. pancakes/waffles situation. it sucks mr. kearns cannot end the institution of schooling as forced daycare from his sixth period math class making $24k a year and having to buy all his own textbooks because the last editions are from 1996 but sometimes the lesson you gotta learn as a kid is "yeah this sucks for all of us so let's at least try and make it tolerable by cooperating"

@xzczcwc

Ай бұрын

Who would win? Tons of educational and sociological research into teaching styles, academic outcomes, and student welfare, which shows that authoritarian approaches to teaching and the use of physical punishment produce worse outcomes? Or one streamer cherry-picking his chat for examples of bad teaching he can respond to with "You probably deserved it" and "It's not a big deal"?

@Freaking_Rat

Ай бұрын

@@cerberusthethird I agree that teachers as individuals aren't the ultimate perpetrators of this disservice and that teachers are underpaid for doing incredibly important and challenging jobs, but I also think that even if all of that were somehow taken care of, our way of teaching kids is still ultimately flawed. To propose how to fix education is to propose how to fix all of society and I don't have an answer to that

11:20 The best teachers highly reward good/normal behavior and remove those rewards for bad behavior. Kids are MUCH more likely to want to behave when they will get a reward and MUCH less likely to misbehave if they cant get that good thing. Punishments used too regularly lose power.

@ihatezombies1455

Ай бұрын

This. I have no idea how he didn't mention anything about positive reinforcement and just stayed on positive punishment which we know is just not as effective as other methods to get kids to behave. Kinda weird.

@williammitchell6254

Ай бұрын

​@@ihatezombies1455teacher has like 200 kids everyday what positive reinforcement is gonna work on 200 kids?

@ratfry

Ай бұрын

@@williammitchell6254 Unironically yes. Positive reinforcement is almost always the superior option. Negative reinforcement can be useful but it should be used sparingly if you want actual results.

overcooked take from a position of privilege. -2 of enormous proportions

@noahmay7708

Ай бұрын

"position of privilege" meaning he just is old and sees school from a removed perspective, making him apathetic to the experience I suppose.

@lun444

Ай бұрын

@@noahmay7708 that's not what I meant, I mean that school is an institution designed for "most children". that means that there are cracks through which marginalized children slip through and they end up feeling like dogshit about the whole experience. it's a systemic failure which nl can't see because of his position of privilege

@chipbutty3645

Ай бұрын

Am I allowed to be apathetic considering I was a ‘crack in the system’ yet because my parents were good and didn’t want me to become weak I managed to far surpass most other people very easily. Blame the system but this style of parenting is what is needed. Blame yourself even if it isn’t your fault because you should be strong enough to benefit from it

@xzxzxccxzcw2028

Ай бұрын

@@chipbutty3645 You're allowed to do whatever you want, including posting cringe-inducing comments about structural problems within society aren't real because you're so strong and how you "far surpass most other people very easily"

@PersonCalledErin

Ай бұрын

@@noahmay7708 that and him being "successful" and having support around him now, and probably earlier during childhood, considering he clearly didnt have much trouble, according to his memory lol

i feel like people tend to blame teachers for the conditions they have to work in, like of course the teacher has to take some actions that out of context seem insane because the system threw like 30 kids at them and fundamentally fails to teach them to want to learn. i only discovered how fucking awesome math is *after* high school on my own. punishment is a bad way to teach kids but the system doesn't give teachers almost any other options especially when there's a whole classroom of middle schoolers with competing interests

@EndParenthesis

Ай бұрын

Yes, this is (usually) not the fault of the teachers. But this is also something a lot of people forget whenever criticism of school gets brought up. When people say "school sucks," they often don't mean like "I had to do a bunch of boring homework." They mean "putting one person solely in charge of 30 kids per class leads to nobody getting enough time, and the way classes tend to be designed is not conducive to making kids want to learn. So the current system doesn't succeed in doing the one thing it really ought to be good at, which means the system is bad." Or in short, school sucks.

@arosbastion7052

Ай бұрын

kids will want to learn if you're not terrible at teaching though

@theparagonal

Ай бұрын

​@@arosbastion7052Actually, I wanted to go home and play RuneScape and talk to my friends instead of doing anything productive. I'm pretty certain that's the case for like, almost every other kid too.

@AtillaTheSean

Ай бұрын

This is true, but it doesn't mean some teachers aren't absolutely just bitter jaded adults who get a power trip out of wiping the smiles off of kids' faces. As an adult there's some teachers I look back on who were genuinely disgusting people who did so much harm to everyone's confidence. Teachers don't like to take accountability when they can blame kids having undeveloped minds, but sometimes they genuinely are the problem, even if the whole class isn't failing.

@soasertsus

Ай бұрын

@@arosbastion7052 This genuinely depends on the kids though, as a former teacher. You're right that most of the class will want to learn or at worst be indifferent to it. But there's always a 5-10% that no matter what just will not ever want to learn no matter what you do, and instead make it their sole mission in life to derail everything as much as possible so no one else can learn either. And those are the ones who will eat up 80% of the teacher's time and effort if they'll allow it. Just like adults, some kids are just assholes and sociopaths. At a certain point you have to just teach the kids who are there to learn and don't let the few who refuse disrupt things, because it's not fair to the rest of the class who are well-behaved and trying their best.

I find it so weird that so many people who are normally pro-science, when on the topic of physically disciplining kids, instead pivot to their gut feelings that it’s appropriate and the only way they’ll learn because of the anecdote of “I turned out fine” -in spite of decades of research showing worse outcomes on average.

@chipbutty3645

Ай бұрын

Obviously, if a child is doing well they don’t need physical discipline

@ihatezombies1455

Ай бұрын

NL really do be like, the only thing they can do to motivate kids is punish them when there has literally been decades of research that say that's probably the worst way to motivate kids/people in general. Maybe the reason they don't have many options for punishment is because punishment shouldn't be your first thought when a kid is acting up? Love to see it.

@chipbutty3645

Ай бұрын

@@ihatezombies1455 the style of parenting one adopts is dependant on what they’ve seen in life. I have only ever seen punishment be more effective at stopping bad behaviour, why would I go against why I see as the best method. U need positive reinforcement but punishment that makes the child feel bad for what they did, not just getting caught, is what is most valuable

@micalishis

Ай бұрын

I agree, but at the same time, it's easy for us to say "just don't punish, forehead" whereas when you're actually a teacher it's not really that simple. What do you do when a child is acting up and disrupting the whole class? Edit: Physical punishment is bad. I thought they were saying punishment is bad in general.

@xzxzxccxzcw2028

Ай бұрын

​@@chipbutty3645 "Punishment" in general or "Physical punishment" in particular?

In 11th grade a teacher just lied about what I said to her in the class. I was seated in the middle of the class, and she said I threatened her life. Her, 10 feet away heard this while people 2 feet from me in every direction did not hear this. She complained to the principal and in a he-said-she-said they sent me to Disciplinary Alternative system that's basically school-jail for 3 months based on a lie. So saying that teachers have no real power over you is just incorrect. If they are malicious enough and willing to lie, they can truly hurt you. It really taught me how easy it is to twist systems into oppression though so thanks for that lesson teacher.

@RandomAcronyms

Ай бұрын

I know America and UK schools are especially bad about punishments, but I can't imagine Canadian schools are that much better. He's probably willfully ignorant about how bad it gets at the not "good" public schools, seeing as he was involved in private schools.

@diorsse

Ай бұрын

i remember earlier this school year i went to the counselor to try and get a different English teacher because she is genuinely the devil reincarnate (it's not just me, literally everyone hates her) and i tried explaining my gripe with the counselor but she just cut me off and said "the classroom is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. deal with it" and i was appalled. some teachers are angels but i'm ngl, seems like a vast majority just are the worst people ever

@legand262

Ай бұрын

I feel you on that, Multiple times teachers would lie about something I'd done and I would get horrific punishments which amounted to solitary-confinement 'school edition'. It would matter how I would argue my case, or if other witnesses supported me, if it's their word against yours, you're finished there is no real investigation of any sort.

@ShadedG

Ай бұрын

@@RandomAcronyms I don't think willfully ignorant is fair. The egg has a lot of knowledge in there he just doesn't study every issue known to man. If it was brought up to him in a non-chat room situation or was put eloquently enough, I think he'd add an addendum to his outlook, as he's been shown to do before.

@xzczcwc

Ай бұрын

@@ShadedG Wilfully ignorant is definitely fair when this entire video is him replying to every single incident raised in chat with "Well, I'm gonna invent a scenario where you probably deserved it". He even did this for the one where the kids were left with blisters on their hands for the punishment

coming back here to throw in my shit teacher story: my teachers shithead daughter bullied me nonstop for months and then when i finally told my mom about it and my mom talked to the teacher, the daughter told the teacher/her mom that i was the one bullying her. the teacher then decided to corner me in a walk-in closet and yell at me/physically intimidate me until i was hyperventilating on the floor and wouldn’t let me leave until i apologized to the girl who had bullied me relentlessly for something i didn’t do. i was 9 years old btw. super cool teacher behavior that was definitely secretly my fault!

This was the most -2 video I think I’ve ever seen from NL god damn he’s REALLY trying to get those r/teachers brownie points

r/Teachers must’ve stolen his peloton and put a ransom on it because I didn’t think he’d be going down on 18 teachers in a row like that with these takes

@lontvany

Ай бұрын

they are flicking his ball (down the ramp)

@UncleGhiral

Ай бұрын

18 educated teachers in the chatroom at NL's stream

@rupalthaus7071

Ай бұрын

@@UncleGhiral Big hard throbbing tests ready to be graded.

@fjmoneybagz

Ай бұрын

@@UncleGhiral big hard throbbing rulers wanting to be smacked!

Thise punishments dont work either just makes the kids hate you lol

@JamrockHobo

4 күн бұрын

what works?

I had a teacher who once a year would be playing with a hockey puck all class long. He would roll it around the desk while we worked, throw it up in the air walking around teaching etc. Then at the end of class he would secretly swap it for a super lightweight foam hockey puck and throw that at a kid

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

ok thats kinda funny...

@LimabeanStudios

Ай бұрын

@@TheLibraryofLetourneau early +2 farming influence in my life

In seventh grade I had a homework assignment where we had to find out the side lengths of objects on graph paper and one was a triangle, so I used the Pythagorean theorem to find the length of the side and got the answer wrong, so I somehow got him to let me present in class why I was right where I explain how to use the Pythagorean theorem to the class and why my answer was right and then he just said "or you could count the squares and that's easier." And the whole class laughed at me. That guy was my enemy and after that year he knocked me out of the smart math classes so for every year in highschool I doubled up on math classes even when my teachers advised against it to get back to where I should've been and now I'm a math major, so sometimes your greatest enemies can give you the reason you go crazy with it.

@gamikhan9087

Ай бұрын

Thats crazy I feel like I am majoring in math cause of the complete opposite experience, they were good normal experience, correcting little mistakes cause they innevitably happen, so pointing out things like that was never seen as strange, them letting me sleep in class cause I would just advance in the book and do all the homework advance of time, a lof of my math teachers were like father figures to me. I remember going into the last pages of the book where they usually had dumb little riddles for kids, and this one teacher would help me if I had trouble with any while people were doing homework in class. He also did a little competition in highschool were they would have a little paper with 3 riddles each week and at the end whoever got most points would gain a prize. The last teacher before college was also specially supporting, at this point I stopped sleeping in class obviously and he was attendant to everybody, idk I just havent experienced a single bad math teacher and I am grateful for it cause it is just what I most love in the world.

@evanhawkins6186

Ай бұрын

That's an insane but very real story thank you for sharing

@coledelong427

Ай бұрын

Should've just counted the squares man. Now he's got you doing epsilon delta proofs at midnight just to get a CS job after graduation

@derangedtaco3491

Ай бұрын

And now you've got a very specific area of careers that have been easily done by robots for the last 30 years.

@shreycod4

Ай бұрын

@@coledelong427 Not necessarily, he could go into academia and end up doing research in high mathematics that only fifteen people in the whole world understand let alone care about

Okay, but I got a story of a teacher that NL couldn’t defend. I was making up my work cause I was failing and wanted to try to pass. I got all my make up done but still was 5 points off of a passing grade. My teacher had given out extra credit for any students that donated the most canned food. The teacher said “you are allowed to give your points to another student if you have a passing grade already.” A girl in the class wanted to give me her points which would bump me over the passing line. The teacher than said to her, “you can give your points to anyone BUT him” and I flunked out that semester. And then she said to my mom on a parent teacher conference that “I’m only trying to teach your kid like I would teach my own”

@PiratemanForever

Ай бұрын

thank you for sharing that story. that is FUBAR

@QBeeIII

Ай бұрын

nl was only raggin on chat because he doesnt have the full story of the chatter's experience. if you got punished for no reason as you entail i doubt he would defend this teacher

when a punishment gets too specific or ritualistic, that's pervert behavior. what's wrong with the good old fashioned "stand outside in the hall"?

Man, this sucked haha.

@PiratemanForever

Ай бұрын

+2 succinct summation

My AP Chem teacher in high school told my sister that the only reason she got into her dream school was because of Affirmative Action

@mikedavidson6454

Ай бұрын

"Actually your sister was just a bad student and deserved that"- nls response if he read this as a chat message 😂😂

@StealthyArmada

Ай бұрын

GOATed

@morganbrokaw5190

Ай бұрын

How many other teachers did she have throughout her life? Did they do that?

@ominousplatypus380

Ай бұрын

ok but were they wrong?

@FallenSkater1940

Ай бұрын

dude was mad bc he didn't make it into his

When I was 6 my teacher punished me for talking too much during class (trigger warning: not American). She called me up to the front of the class, grabbed my hands, and went to town on them with her special ruler. I was already super embarrassed about being called up and didn't want to cry in front of the class so I tried my best to endure it. She seemed to take this as a challenge and kept going harder and harder. She stared at me, dead in the eyes, the entire time. Eventually, I couldn't take it anymore and I started to cry. She seemed satisfied. Until she looked down and realized my hands were bleeding. She panicked and told me to quickly wash off the blood. She asked me afterwards to not make a big deal about it when I got home so I didn't. But when my mom got home and asked me what happened to my hands I had to fess up. My mom was pissed about it but the rest of the family (Indian family, we live with our parents and grandparents) was like "Eh, it's just a part of school. Back in my day...". I couldn't hold a pencil for a week, which sucked because I loved to draw. But you know what? Couldn't catch me talking in class ever again. I'd get mild PTSD when another student tried to speak to me while class was still in session.

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

Pretty fucked up, for whatever reason some teachers beef with literal children and go on a power trip. But this should give perspective to the people frowning upon any kind of punishment, it's a fact that it works, it just should never be in this kind of condition or extreme.

@animagamer2

23 күн бұрын

@@ch1dd It's honestly the one thing that scares me the most about becoming a father in the future. When I was a child I promised myself I'd do better, that I'd never resort to violence. Be better than the people who raised me. Now, 20 years more mature, I fear that I might not be able to. I know I'll never abuse my own children just to feel better about myself. I'll put a bullet in my head before I ever let that happen. But I can't deny that I might use the threat of physical punishment as a pacifying force. Raising some difficult pets in my early 20s made me question all of my principles on this. Either way, I know I have a lot of growing to do before I'm ready for parenthood.

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

@@animagamer2 It's all what-ifs, maybe you'll have a kid that doesn't warrant getting to this extent. But physical punishment doesn't have to mean violence, as paradoxical as that sounds. Animals are just conditioned to learn faster from pain as a survival mechanism, naturally humans can use that to teach discipline before someone can understand the concept. Someone who went through it will know how much is too much, even if we all collectively wish the number was zero.

@animagamer2

23 күн бұрын

@@ch1dd Thank you, this is some solid advice. I'll try to keep it in mind.

My teacher in grade 5 was literally like, bullying me, it kinda fucked me up at the time because I was insisting it was happening but of course no adult believes you when you say that shit. I had to start cataloguing it and it only stopped once my parents started to believe me. Sometimes teachers are assholes. I'm 36 btw lmao

@Shakabrah44

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel like NL is currently in the "bad things don't happen to people actually" levels of comfort and wealth where he's gotta raise everyone else's bar/living standards in his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about having more in a world where most people are just straightup poor. School sucked for a lot of people for a lot of reasons out of their control. They weren't just 10 year olds not liking being told how to behave. Half the issue here is how punishing most countries are to people who didn't have all their shit together when (or if) they graduated, potentially putting them forever behind in life which then forces them to take drastic action to stay afloat which then leads to an even greater slew of potential issues. Life is very hard under such an unforgiving system and we should not be so dismissive of each other's struggles just because our own weren't so bad in retrospect. Very dismissive takes from him here, his joking aside. I understand he's just bantering, but it's shitty banter imo

@gnerus1972

28 күн бұрын

Our PE teacher regularly yelled insults and slurs at our whole class and would get physical with you if you didn't behave well (like shaking you by your shoulders). But yeah school is easy Ryan!!!

I ended English class in seventh grade with a 53 because the teacher would enter my name into blackboard with an apostrophe ‘ and that would nuke the submission and she didn’t fix it until my parents beat my ass.

@orangesilver8

Ай бұрын

What? '

@Grenade_121

Ай бұрын

@@orangesilver8 what part? Special characters arnt accepted in many databases even if they are valid. Part of validity checking

Thank god he's a streamer now instead lmfao

Can't wait for the complete reversal of opinion when his kiddo is in school and gets punished

@yurifairy2969

29 күн бұрын

complete 180 when his kid starts talking about her shitty teachers

@gnerus1972

28 күн бұрын

when his kid becomes a rebellious teenager NL is going to experience the biggest whiplash of his life.

@yurifairy2969

28 күн бұрын

@@gnerus1972 every parent thinks they're ready for it and they never are

as a kid i would always try my hardest and seek for the approval of teachers, but slip up in one way or another, and i'd be punished in front of the class. so much of the time i didn't even understand what i had done wrong; i'd cry in front of the everyone, unable to hold it in, knowing i'd never be seen as normal. it was humiliating. it taught me to close myself off and shut up. it worked, and it's still working to this day. learning i'm on the autism spectrum later in life explains a lot of the troubles i had in school growing up. while i think those struggles always would've been there, none of my teachers recognized how hard i was trying, or how much their approval meant to me. kids can be shits sometimes, but sometimes they literally don't know better.

From the most based circumcision take to the most unhinged teaching punishment take, what a rollercoaster

Librarian litigating childhood trauma in a 10k viewer chat while Ryan yells at him

The more i hear other people talk about their school experiences the more i realize i likely have some undiagnosed disorders that made everything more difficult. Like people were just soloing their personal development as middle schoolers? I was like crying every day and being yelled at by all the adults i was letting down

@AtillaTheSean

Ай бұрын

Exactly, I don't know if I had unchecked ADHD or what but these comments are so frustrating as someone who really struggled with school. "School is easy 😜" "If you fail, you're just lazy." "It's always the students' fault" Did none of these people have friends or siblings who they watched struggle with school? Do they really think the only way to get a bad grade is some kind of moral failing? This really shows how "dumb-smart" NL and a lot of his audience is, being book-smart and well-spoken but not having the emotional intelligence to understand why people might think differently. I had to try REALLY hard just to pass in school because it's all rote memorization and my brain was rejecting the sheer volume of random information I was being given and told to regurgitate. I like to think very deeply about things when I'm learning and really get an understanding of WHY things happen, but the speed of the curriculum was always leaving me intellectually unfulfilled while being graded mostly on my ability to memorize names, dates, or virtual gibberish in the case of geography and chemistry. TBH I think they (NL in this clip included) are defensive because of how validating it was for them to get those good grades growing up. But their behavior only serves to further shame the kids who fall short of getting those grades. Legit if I read these comments when I was in High School I would think I was the dumbest, laziest, most selfish piece of shit in the world simply because I have a hard time at the 5am fact prison.

@bobbyburgle4536

Ай бұрын

​@@AtillaTheSean NL is just very neurotypical and came from a good home. School is easy if you have the right support structures and your brain is wired the right way. I agree tho, he doesn't take into account the fact that the current way we do schooling is cut out for everyone. He even said it in the beginning. Where parenting is thought to be as a way to help your kids get a job. Schools started that way and are run that way.

@qwertymesa

Ай бұрын

@@bobbyburgle4536yeah was gonna say his whole take hinges on you coming from a good home, with good parents and do not have any mental health issues. Meanwhile half the comments on this video are talking about how annoying “disruptive kids in class” were, as if most of those kids either came from troubled homes or had some sort of deep rooted mental health issue or both. The amount of ableist takes in these comments is kinda nuts.

@vandalm9311

Ай бұрын

​@@AtillaTheSean and you are getting defensive because how frustating it was for you to get bad grades growing up. See? I can also make easy assumptions about your childhood from just a take. Especially before college, getting good grades is not very dependent on IQ or "being smart", it's about putting enough effort, giving a shit, and also privilege. I genuinely think if not because of factors like disabilities or environment (shitty home), you are just not giving enough shit. I do have friends that struggled through school and most of them are just either not giving enough shit, or didn't put any effort in. ALSO, rote memorization is a important part of learning, I feel like it is a BASE for every next step of learning. Of course it's not the ONLY part of learning, but it is one of them that helps develop your brain ability to store & manipulate information. You should have the knowledge first, then you can 'evaluate/synthesize' for deeper leaning. Can you apply and solve math problems without remembering the formulas? Course not. There's other subjects too beside geography and chemistry, if you fail in ALL of them, maybe you just don't like learning.

@vandalm9311

Ай бұрын

@@AtillaTheSean Also adding to my point, Imagine if you have to explain why the World War II happened, without memorizing any location, time, events, concepts. That doesn't make any sense, memorizing is an important skill to have in life and also a part of learning. You can't learn WHY chemical reactions happen or knowing would a element get corroded without knowing the periodic table or the voltaic series. If schools actually test your critical thinking, they would just give the basic facts, then give you exercises to do the "applying" part of learning, then in tests they would give higher/more difficult questions so you could do the "analyze" part that you claim you really like. I 100% guarantee you students would complain EVEN more since this is a lot harder than just "regurgitating" facts. That's the point, school is not hard because it's not even you trying to solve higher level problems from basic concepts like college.

Had a teacher in 4th grade fail me on a spelling test because I capitalized the words. "I didn't tell you to do that" was her excuse and I'm still bitter about it 15 years later.

@--ACCEPT--

2 күн бұрын

I had a teacher almost fail me, because I diddn't un-capitalize the headings in a powerpoint. I'm still taking umbrage with it, 10 years later.

this video is actually evil rare NL super L

Man this one actually sucked to listen to

@AtillaTheSean

Ай бұрын

Legit couldn't finish it

@spanzotab

Ай бұрын

@@AtillaTheSean lmao

@americantoastman7296

29 күн бұрын

yeah this was actually really bad...

@gnerus1972

28 күн бұрын

he really showed that he's just a stupid, privileged streamer - like the rest of them.

Tf is he playing? That twitter post was right.

@mappinus5028

Ай бұрын

Link?

@SpoRkManiac

Ай бұрын

librarian can you pull that up

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

twitter.com/fatestaynova/status/1782232755721449941

@noahmay7708

Ай бұрын

lmao

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

​@@TheLibraryofLetourneau literally how did you know what he was talking about.

25 yo Aussie here. I've had multiple teachers that were absolutely unhinged: A math teacher that liked to bully girls and call them dumb for not understanding things, I corrected a mistake on the whiteboard and he called me an idiot and chewed me out, I was a smart ass asshole and called him an idiot back. Ended with him holding his fist up threatening to punch me and me egging him on to do it. I got excused from his class for the next two years and finished at the top of his class (was general math so not actually impressive).

@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh

Ай бұрын

So close to that lawsuit

My best friend in 7th grade got yelled at until he cried. He didnt solve a math question fast enough (he took around 10 seconds.) always was a straight a student and always tried his hardest. Same teacher got bullied by the other class, felt like he let out his anger on us.

Ill be honest a lot of this just feels like NL shouldnt have been a teacher which I think he'd agree with lol

I had a comp sci teacher who physically threatened me (he'd probably say it was "jokingly"), berated me in front of the whole class for being behind because I knew if I said anything he would freak out and then told me I would not amount to anything. And because I was 15 I blamed myself. So yeah there's no amount of having to deal with shitty kids that justifies that kind of behavior.

@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh

Ай бұрын

He'd agree with you tho

I normally love Northernlion and his banter but this one was too much for me. I'm thankful he didn't have a shitty time in school but it's tough hearing "if school sucked it was on you" when for me it was dealing with intense bullying, being gifted but then burning out in high school and the teachers of the classes I failed not caring, and a lot of untreated ADHD/autism.

@missmoo5621

Ай бұрын

This isn't to say "man I hate NL I'm never gonna watch him again" it's just that I hope that he sees other people's stories and tries to understand the other side of the coin from people who hated their school life and that this isn't just 15 year olds mad cause they have homework, but people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s still dealing with the after-effects of a bad school experience.

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

@@missmoo5621 oh 100% this is a reasonable take, the whole rant he went on felt pretty close minded and dismissive to me

@LeakyOrifices

Ай бұрын

@@missmoo5621 I'm right there with you, very similar experiences. I loved actually learning interesting stuff, but that was about only 15-20% of the whole school experience for me. Everything else was hell

my math teacher in highschool had an air cannon that would just send a puff of air your way. Didn't hurt but it was very startling and she was very accurate with it and it worked

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

that's kinda sick

One time my teacher yelled at me to stop disrupting the class when I hiccuped. Most stressful five minutes of my life trying my best to suppress them lol

actually kind of genuinely shocking takes going on here. there’s too many moving pieces in a kid’s life during school years that they have absolutely no control over and likely little understanding of to operate entirely off of the assumption that if your kid pays attention then they’ll get straight As. it’s easy to think like that as an adult with emotional maturity and the faculties to logically deal with the shit going on in your life but if you’re like 14 you aren’t gonna know what the hell is going on or what to do about it 95% of the time. hope his kid doesn’t have anything happen in her life outside the classroom that distracts from the all important red letter at the top of her 7th grade math test. hard to watch

@Veilure

Ай бұрын

Most of those "things outside of her control" are under HIS control. He's only talking about his daughter here

@spanzotab

Ай бұрын

he's literally just saying that he expects his child to put in effort to do well at school. How is that a crazy take

i know these probably arent the kinds of teachers NL is talking about, but the things he was saying here really remind me of the way my teachers treated me for being queer at a very religious school, and how all the other adults in my life would then say i probably deserved it.

had a teacher make fun of my voice for a whole year told me I'd never get hired cause I sound dumb and then he killed someone in a drunk driving accident. but i do agree many still act like they got trauma from a teacher telling them to pay attention. and i've changed how i speak a lot... so

@imLidan

Ай бұрын

talk to me in your stupid little voice like old times baby

there's a big difference between expecting A's, confronting your kid if they're not getting A's, disciplining your kid if they're not getting A's, and expressing disappointment to your kid for not getting A's

@andyentrekin5893

Ай бұрын

Expecting As is fine and probably good, how you act on that expectation is the most important thing. I wanna say dr k from healthygamergg said that the best outcomes are associated w parents with high expectations but also high empathy

@gaugea

Ай бұрын

@@andyentrekin5893 I think i've watched that, it definitely makes sense 100%

Huge part of all of this that NL said but was mostly overlooked that it all comes down to parenting and a child's personal life. All the trouble teachers have comes from children that parents don't care about. In an ideal world all the teacher has to do is say words but kids that could not care less if teacher is present break down all the authority a teacher has to all the other kids.

My 6th grade lit teacher called me a gay know-it-all Now whether or not she was correct is a whole other story

@PiratemanForever

Ай бұрын

+2 comment/story

he went too boomer mode on this one. I get that he wasn't including these people in his rant, but there's a dozen reasons why a kid might be entirely justified in finding school to be a challenging or miserable experience. Approaching everybody's bad school experiences with the framework of "this didn't happen in my fairly typical school life therefore it was probably your fault" is classic NL

I hated how much he strawmanned in this one

Maybe grades are easier or work different in North America, I feel like As have different levels of difficulty throughout the rest of the world

@Oh-lk2qd

Ай бұрын

I think school is also quite genetic/early life based. Like i imagine the UK is one of the easier countries too but I got through it so easily. University is kicking my ass a bit because I chose maths 😔 but if you're decently smart and your parents made u read books as a kid then it's as easy qs doing your homework and listening in class

@redcv6706

Ай бұрын

I grew up in the US of A, and for me a 90% was the cut-off for an A, but apparently Canada made it so that 80% or above is an A. So yeah, an A’s probably a lot easier to get in Canada compared to somewhere with a notoriously stressful and intensive school system like Japan, SK, or China.

@TheLibraryofLetourneau

Ай бұрын

yeah i was losing my mind cause at my school, even the kids at the top class had to do 2-3 hours of after school tuition + 2 hours of self study at home everyday to stay at the top

@duarpeto

Ай бұрын

Definitely, in my country getting an A is not easy and no kid is expected to reach that for every subject. It took me a bit to understand that the US system is different and not everyone who talked about getting straight As online was a super genius lol. Like, I don't think I saw someone get "straight As" even once in my life, getting a 90%+ on any test probably put you in the top third of the class. I was in a pretty good high school and there was a national exam where I got the highest grade out of everyone there, which was a 92%. So yeah, the way tests are made can vary a lot between schooling systems.

@greenoftreeblackofblue6625

Ай бұрын

​@@TheLibraryofLetourneau it's pretty easy.

This one genuinely hurt to listen to. Major -2

This is honestly an L for NL. Not even mentioning the fact that he appreciates night school taking 2 classes a semester whereas a kid goes to school 5 days a week studying like 12 subjects, obviously an adult with a job would like school more than a kid who’s only life experience IS being in school. I was a straight A student and school was piss easy for me but seeing him say he only wants As/high scores from his kid because she’s well-adjusted and has a good home life and knows how to read at 3 is really disheartening, especially when he implies that kids who don’t well are just lazy. I come from a country where cram school is the norm, I’ve studied with straight C straight D kids who go to cram school daily and get tutored on weekends just to catch up on the knowledge in school, and yet they still only barely pass their classes. And it’s not even their fault! If you miss a piece of knowledge then you will lose grip on everything that builds upon it in the future, like if you didn’t get a good grasp calculating chemical equilibrium in 8th grade then you’re royally fucked on like... hydrolysis or something. His idea on punishment is also way fucked up + gaslighting the librarian about his corporal punishment was not cool

bro listened to the wall and thought "yeah bro if you don't eat your meat you can't have any PUDDING it's so obvious"

I was definitely undiagnosed with something and refused to hand in assignments that I wasn't completely confident in because I was afraid that if I got something wrong the teachers would think I was an idiot 🤷 so I got 0's and 100's. For the record I'm not blaming school for that one, I'm blaming my parents for not getting me therapy or breaking my brain when I was growing up so that I believed only perfection was acceptable

@PersonCalledErin

Ай бұрын

you could in all well mind blame the school for not being able to socialize kids properly and prevent these kinds of issues or aid in addressing them, takes a village to raise a child

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

​@@firebolt6123because children are known for their great communication skills

I really don't understand how he thinks exercise as a physical punishment is okay. That just seems like a very roundabout way of causing physical pain to your child without actually hitting them.

@beepees

Ай бұрын

I feel like he has to just be yappin because he often talks about not using food as punishment/reward to avoid weird brain associations lol you would think it would also apply to exercise or learning

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

@@beepees I sure do hope so. This is the worst take he's ever had. Genuinely makes me think less of him.

@spaghettioverlord3247

10 күн бұрын

Bro, exercise and wall sits for five minutes are not comparable to abuse at all. Worst case scenario is you get in really good shape.

@eywrong

10 күн бұрын

@@spaghettioverlord3247 yeah they're not abuse TO YOU because they're not punishments. You're doing it because you want to.

@spaghettioverlord3247

10 күн бұрын

@@eywrong It isn’t abuse at all. Children are supposed to be active. If your child is incapable of exercise then they shouldn’t be in school. Do you think the existence of PE class is abuse too? What punishment do you think would be better suited, because I feel like berating them would either be too traumatic for the kids it’s effective on and completely pointless on other kids.

Some of these sound like his worst takes of all time lol

@langosc

Ай бұрын

shit was really hard too watch at some points

the last day of school a coach teacher I had for 2 hours of my day for health and science told me I was a waste of oxygen as I was walking out of his class. He also tried to fail me the entire semester. At some point in the year I was so lost for why I was getting bad grades on my work but getting straight 100s on my online tests. Turned in another classmates exact work and he got a 98 while I got a 72.

Finally, a shit take, after all these years. The way school works is antiquated and hostile to the concept of actually teaching, children are literally not built for sitting down 8 hours and just sponging information. The reason why school is structured the way it is still to this day is because during industrialization the point of school was to make efficient factory workers and then specialized workers, while now the first 9 or so years of school are there to filter out people who don't have the academic spirit to go forward to further studies, instead of making sure people are taught efficiently, because while the amount of information kids are supposed to learn during those first 9 or so years has increased to cover basically a bit of everything simultaneously, the way it is taught is still very much just lectures with no consideration done to how people naturally learn (with children multiple studies have shown that allowing them to interact with the subject matter, and being more dynamic in the classroom majorly improves actual learning, far more than just memorization). The current global school system just doesn't work for everyone, especially if you have learning disabilities but also just in general it sucks as a kid because you're going through the process of learning about just existing as a human, and then puberty, while also trying to function within an environment the human brain has barely evolved to work with yet. As a adult your brain has hopefully adjusted to what modern civilization wants of you and thus in hindsight all of this is easy to gloss over but while you're dealing with everything that shit is just not that simple, not even accounting the numerous elements aside from academics that exist in school (social dynamics, which as a child is just a hell of it's own). Then there's disabilities and mental health, and how all of that is affected by upbringing and your life at home, and all such that school was never structured to take into account. Also, none of this even takes into account bad teachers, which absolutely exist. At best a bad teacher is just a teacher who wanted a job but doesn't really care for the teaching part in practice, at worst it's just straight up abuse that happens anytime a person who should not have power over people is allowed to have it.

@octave38

Ай бұрын

Yup, probably NL's worst take.

@manuelsputnik

Ай бұрын

+2 based rant

@jackbowman4444

Ай бұрын

> global school system what a dumb thing to say. There is no global school system. The idea that every school system from every country is designed to accomplish the same goal and teach in the same way is absurd. > the way it is taught is still very much just lectures My education in the same province as NL wasn't just lectures. Maybe you shouldn't discount the opinions NL has of a school system that you are completely ignorant of. Also we never just had to sit around for 8 hours. One, school in Ontario is only from 8-3 or 9-4. And there is an entire hour or so for lunch and running around outside. When we were in class there were lessons, and then after the lesson there was time to work on worksheets or whatever assignment we had.

@eewweeppkk

Ай бұрын

And none of that negates the fact that X person was a shitty child in an environment that a single adult had to deal with 30 kids in. I also have a time taking someone serious who talks about a 'global school system' when even in the US the material varies basically by county.

@ScoffMathews

Ай бұрын

The fuck you mean finally, my man has shit takes on a regular basis.

Gotta say this is a -2 from me. I was born with cataracts and would get up from my seat to see the board or walk to where I could hear people talking. Obviously I was a distraction but wtf is punishing me going to do except traumatize me. I can't just stop having my disability. Also I might add that the Ontario school system does not support disabled students in the slightest, at least where I went to school. I already know NL is going to say "That's an exception, most kids will learn." But that's the problem. It's because I was treated like "most kids" I am in the situation I'm in today.

@QBeeIII

Ай бұрын

nl would exclude your disability from his points against the students. the strawmen are kids who are being a disruption because they dont care about the class and just want to chat with classmates and such

@canhedotricks6078

Ай бұрын

@@QBeeIII Yeah but my exact point is that everyone is affected regardless of intention. It was unclear at the time I was acting out of my disability and that's the entire reason I was punished. There is no distinct line you can draw between who is a good or bad actor. If you make that line too strict, it harms people in ways that are impossible to rectify.

I mean, I'll throw my hat in this ring too since we're all here doing it. I tried as much as I could get myself to try in school, I did my homework (oftentimes late, but I still did it), I tried to engage with lessons (I had an easier time with the ones I found more interesting), and I was mostly pretty well-behaved for my teachers. I did quite well up until towards the end of 6th-form (17-18 years old for the non-England people). My grades at 16 years old were All A's apart from a few B's and a C, then I hit a wall because the challenge-interest ratio went to shit. Turns out taking away the majority of the structured learning time for an undiagnosed ADHD kid (no-one else knew and I obviously didn't either) makes learning subjects bloody difficult! I never had motivation to do anything, but I managed to turn up to after-school classes at least, and I managed to put enough effort in to get over the finish line with... 2 C's and an E for my A-Levels. All passing grades technically, but I still wanted to curl up and die internally when I found out and realised I'd have to explain that to my parents (who were very used to me getting straight A's only 2 years prior). That's just the learning side of things, I got relentlessly picked on by almost everyone I knew for effectively the entire duration of my primary, secondary, and highschool education. The fact that I still showed up to school and had near-perfect attendance was a bloody miracle. Turns out I was also undiagnosed for Autism, which I've realised in the last couple of years. The feeling of "it is my destiny to be unhappy" is not something I think any child/teenager should be feeling about themselves, but that's how the bullying felt. And it's also how the pressure to perform felt too, my grades were about the only thing I had, so when they started slipping too, it felt totally over for me. I was thinking this at 18 and younger! My point is to echo what many others have already said, there are reasons beyond boredom that can cause a kid to struggle at school, behaviourally OR otherwise. My personal experience was that I tried as best I could and still suffered for it every day, still had teachers I was deathly afraid of, still got punished for things I didn't do, still couldn't trust any teachers to help out with my bullying (I worked up the courage to go to someone about it on three different occassions over 6-7 years, and it got *worse* for me each time, without fail). And yeah I'm holding onto all of these experiences at 24 years old now, of course I would be, it was a decade and a half of pain that I'm untangling in therapy. I still bend over backwards apologising whenever I make a mistake. Idk I personally didn't enjoy this take- I tried my best to be a good kid, what else could I have done, ya feel?

Nl was NOT COOKING with this one

He’s so punishmentpilled unless it comes to him punishing Luna. But its ok if the school does it 🤣

13:45 bro that's literally your job lmaooo.

@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh

Ай бұрын

Almost as if it's a difficult job

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh who said it wasn't?

@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh

Ай бұрын

@@eywrong you did

@eywrong

Ай бұрын

@@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh where in my message did I say that?

@LuciferMorningstar-uk7oh

Ай бұрын

@@eywrong you're saying that complaining about a stressful job is in any way unusual and not normal and sane behaviour for people to do

School is considered easy in retrospect because you’re recalling it with your adult faculties.

@jeremyphillips3087

Ай бұрын

Or your adult perspective.

@captainsuckbutt3917

Ай бұрын

the curriculum was also much easier back in the 90s, maybe the school NL experienced was really easy af

@gamikhan9087

Ай бұрын

to be fair in primary school they do be giving away 100's aslong as you are being a good kid. Maybe it is different in spain but we had like 60-70% final grade attitude in class, 10-20% homework and the last percentages were exams

@prawtism

Ай бұрын

Always was easy for me, and I never even did homework. With NL's memory I would have gotten straight A's

@eewweeppkk

Ай бұрын

I'm also recalling the fact that I spent about 0 hours a week studying and 40 playing videogames. I don't think I was an idiot for not being able to spell quandary in 2nd grade, I was an idiot because I looked at the spelling sheet once when we got it and ignored it for a week. I absolutely could've done better with MINIMAL effort.

L take after L take my goat is washed

> gets to teach a bad student once > fucking dies

couldn't even finish the video just gotta say that middle/high school made me giga suicidal. I'm still surprised I made it out alive 10 years later.

@emeraldguy10

28 күн бұрын

You and me both. I was lucky that I had supportive, present parents, but I just seemed to have the worst luck with teachers or administration deciding I was a punching bag, despite not being disruptive. Plus undiagnosed autism didn't exactly help. Of course nothing happened to those teachers except for the one that escalated to throwing chairs at students he didn't like. (myself included) I went from high grades in elementary and the first year of middle to barely passing all the way out of highschool. Having to go back to that every day just so I could get it done ground me down to nothing.