One huge resource I forgot to mention was Adam B from Ludohistory, who helped me a ton with my research. He made a much more thorough video on how to study Norse Mythology. Please check it out! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hoV6m5WckrW1ZLw.html

@Alexandraadftxr7052

2 жыл бұрын

P

@VSM101

Жыл бұрын

Modern "Scholars" are obviously Christian so there is another conflict of interest. I'm so glad my ancestors were sensible enough to write our Vadic culture down and give us the correct interpretation before western Christian scholars who wanted to covert us to Christianity and Islam willfully distorted it in their academic papers where 0 Hindus have any input on the topics then later converted western Hindus entered made critiques of these interpretations funny that the lousy information reaches the mainstream while the sensible is willfully suppressed.

I’m Swedish and I just realised that I’ve probably learned this stuff in the most classic way possible. I just grew up here and heard these stories and was told about the gods by tons of different people and sources and stuff. Like I read a lot of books in the library about it but I also just like heard stories in school and from my parents friends and stuff

@Ludovicus1769

2 жыл бұрын

As a Dane I learned about it early, I didn’t read that many book on the subjects it’s just something you know here.

@SonOfSparda03

2 жыл бұрын

Ew Sweden

@Ludovicus1769

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonOfSparda03 Agreed

@jindormen

2 жыл бұрын

Tjena svenske broder

@weirdo337

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonOfSparda03 I agree. Though I’m from Stockholm and the rest of the country is pretty nice, this place just sucks

This is probably what I’m going to use this to give people before I give them a full summary of everything I know about Norse Mythology

Funny enough, some Aesir were much pretty giant. Like… *cough* Thor *cough* … the giant killer, and who’s mother, grandmother, and great grand father were all giants 💀 Seriously. Family turmoil in Norse mythology isn’t as ridiculously convoluted as it is in Greek mythology, but it’s still ridiculous.

@meginna8354

2 жыл бұрын

"Giant" is a somewhat inappropriate translation of Jötnar/Þurs. They aren't actually bigger than the gods or regular people and most of the gods are at least half jotunn.

@AlbertusSalvatierra

2 жыл бұрын

@@meginna8354 I’m aware.

@Lupinemancer87

Жыл бұрын

Jotnar, not giants, Giants is something entirely different.

@AlbertusSalvatierra

Жыл бұрын

@@Lupinemancer87 I’m aware. Giants is just easier to say.

@Berd-Wasted.

Жыл бұрын

Then we Titans, Demons, Daemons. Another complicated set of terms.

as a dane i have always been trigered by the word giant, because it isnt called giant in danish but jætte, but there is no word for jætte in english

@user-zk5uj3wh5h

2 жыл бұрын

big jætte which in swedish is jätte in english means giant.

@ThePLAYER1888

2 жыл бұрын

Same with Kami from Japan. They are often described as demi-gods or demons. But they really are something.... Different something in between

@The1337Duke

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-zk5uj3wh5h Oh that's a very fun etymological quirk, I've never thought about that! The words aren't necessarily connected though, coincidental similarities in words like that do happen.

@sirrismendozasunlessrealms5775

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePLAYER1888 Aren´t they just sacred spirits? Like Gaia, Uranus and those things that were overall nature?

@--Paws--

2 жыл бұрын

There are also daemons which is part of Ancient Greek mythology. They aren't gods, nor "demons" they are not demigods either. They are beings that are not human but some other being with powers. There are also the Milesians, the djinns, etc..

Well dwarves were ugly little buggers that live underground and forged various magical things for the gods and got up to mischief, they were probably a bit more like what we think to be goblins though not necessarily green. While elves were generally invisible nature spirits, kind of like gods and one of the nine worlds belonged to them which was called Alfheim, these would be a bit like the Maiar in Lord of the Rings or what we think of as Angels (Christian influence). Freyr became the ruler of the elf realm/Alfheim or may have actually been an elf.

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

Good points. But I'd say the lines are still pretty blurry. Snorri sometimes (but not always) uses the term "dark elf" to describe characters that otherwise sound like dwarves. Of course, he was a few generations removed from pagan tradition, but I think it's a telling sign that the two creatures were often mixed up with each other. I personally think "elf" and "dwarf" were originally just generic terms for any non-divine magical creatures. And over time people started to attach distinctive traits to each of them, but differing opinions lead to there sometimes being one version of a story with elves, and another version with dwarves. And Snorri might've come up with the term "dark elf" to reconcile conflicting attestations. But that's all just personal speculation.

@Enzo012

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo 'In Norse mythology, Dökkálfar ("Dark Elves")[a] and Ljósálfar ("Light Elves")[b] are two contrasting types of elves; the dark elves dwell within the earth and have a dark complexion, while the light elves live in Álfheimr, and are "fairer than the sun to look at".' It kind of looks to me like they're the same magical being but ones lives the light and the heavens and other lives in the dark underground. So they could be loosely compared to angels and demons in Christian mythology though the light elves aren't purely Holy and the dark elves aren't really evil, they're a bit more like regular people. You could possibly also compare them to elves and orcs in Tolkiens Middle Earth as they were originally the same race of magical being as well.

@cinderheart2720

2 жыл бұрын

The green was definitely added later, isn't that purely a product of games workshop and their copycats (Blizzard entertainment)?

@daikansanchez7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo One common mis misconception I have seen is to try and compare elves and dwarves with demons or minor gods. It is more correct (to an extent) to call them "nature spirits", "forest spirits", "earth spirits". By looking at them in that light it makes sense to see the dwarves as "dark" (as in "covered in dirt") and the elves as bright or even green. I recommend the book "Elves, wights and trolls" from Kjeldurf Gundarson; at list the part where he describes the folk creatures, because the last part of the book (where he give some "magical recipies" to ward them off) is... imaginative, to say the list.

@Hadrada.

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo hay your videos are funny and at the same time true teaching I go and stay in the woods often and twice I’ve had items go missing and there is no way that I lost them one item was a metal spit for cooking and I hung it on a tree and in the morning gone This is why you must have to give offerings Lol

I’m Swedish and my mom told me ALOT about Norse mythology. I also read a lot when I was a little kid.(I should not have read these stories when I was a child around 3-5 but now as a teenager I have gone back to the story’s of my childhood and learnt what I had forgotten so many years ago.

The best way to experience norse mythology is getting high AF and binge-reading all of stories about loki doing some kinky shit

I remember a book I had with Norse stories where it was written kind of as a prequel to the bible. As in after ragnarök 2 humans survived and that was Adam and Eve.

@yestermorrow3223

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s part of the reason why Ragnorok became popular, it wasn’t as big of a deal in the original mythology (still there though, obviously), because Christian writers liked the idea of monotheism.

Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology was amazing! I'm pretty well-versed in Norse myths & was enthralled as though I was hearing them for the 1st time. One of my all time favorite authors

The idea that reading / writing makes you educated is relatively recent. In the past scholars were recognizing for memorizing whole books and poems. Even today, plenty of people do not read books and yet they are rich, famous, etc.

@caioaugusto3138

Жыл бұрын

Tbh there are many terrible books & many incredible books, but most are just bearable. If you read a single book a year with some quality reading you are in for a lot more knowledge than a guy that read 100 critical gender theory books

Interesting note: While the Old Gods was replaced by the White Christ, coming with his sword of justice and army of angels to perish the giants. The belief of Alfir, dwergi, turs, jøtun, vætti, rå, etc never died out. Those beliefs has in certain parts never disappeared. While I myself doesn't really believe in them, I'm not really sure that they care. And you don't want to cross them. They are not to be trifled with. Believing in them or not. We still put out food to them at midvinter. Just in case.

@Aceshot-uu7yx

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of fairies in Ireland.

Pretty cool things to know. Honestly thought Egyptian mythology was the hardest to give order but looks like Norse is pretty hard too. Wanna read those books.

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

From my understanding, the Egyptians wrote a lot. The problem is that very little of it were straightforward retellings of stories. So we have to piece their mythology together through offhand references and artwork.

@snappingshrimp235

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo yeah and all the gods that fuse tofheter cause Egyptians where passing threw revolts and separations really confuse me.

Hey jake, I like thick Thor. Also I'm writing a book on Norse Mythology and your videos have been really helpful, don't worry I'm mainly citing the Prose Edda for it but your videos do a good job of summarizing stuff. Thanks :)

@onishojo9430

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see a like minded person

Okay, but thicc Thor RULES! Finally some actual accurate depictions of strong and not dehydrated men like in Hollywood.

@AzuriteCoast

2 жыл бұрын

+

@ProjektTaku

2 жыл бұрын

okay.

@LittleFoxInTheBox

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProjektTaku Great! Chubby men are absolutely adorable! (◍•ᴗ•◍)

@ProjektTaku

2 жыл бұрын

@@LittleFoxInTheBox yeah, I guess.

Try Indian mythology next, its great. The two epics - Ramayana and Mahabharata tell great stories.

@VSM101

Жыл бұрын

MYTHOLOGY?YOU MENTIONED 2 ITIHASAS WHICH TRANSLATES TO HISTORIES

@MohammedAli-hl4mr

Жыл бұрын

@@VSM101 yes but its about myths

If you ever decide to look at something else as well, would love to see slavic mythology. Might be just bad at search, but never seen it properly told in any source. Also.. Avian mermaids

I would like to see you go more in depth into Loki's children.

I have a book that breaks it down by story. Also Greek but it seems to be geared into Roman terminology like Jupiter. But it makes note it’s both.

@pandejo2466

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the book called?

the thing I find most confusing about norse mythology is how it is stated that midgard was created from Ymir's corpse, but at the same time they have a mother earth divinity like the greek Gaea called Jord who is the personification of Earth, so you're now asking yourself if the planet is Jord or Ymir's corpse

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

Seeming contradictions like this can mainly be chalked up to the fact that, like I said, there was no universal belief system among the Old Norse people, so things are gonna vary a lot depending on the place and time. And then you have Snorri who tried really hard to present all the conflicting information he had as part of one cohesive universe.

@thomasrinschler6783

9 ай бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo It's interesting to compare this to how it went down with the Greeks. The Greeks (and Romans) had plenty of time before Christianity came along to get their myths at least reasonably organized, and, even though they didn't have a standardized scripture as such, they smoothed down a lot of the rougher edges to make an at least fairly coherent narrative of their myths (although there were still plenty of contradictory things visible if you looked too closely at the grand edifice). The big problem, as you point out here, is that the Norse didn't have that luxury.

The closest thing i would compare dark elves to in dnd would be deep gnomes and based on their description maybe…fairies like Tinkerbell or something for light elves? Except a little bigger. Then perhaps the vanir had the pointed ears and thats how you could tell them apart from the Aesir.

I have a project in social studies and you’re vids are helping so much because I choose Norse mythology

As a point of order, conflating the Vikings with the Norse in general is a direct result of Hitler's attempts at nationalizing Germans under false historical contexts. The Vikings were a relatively small subgroup of the Norse, and were specifically those that went raiding. The majority did not raid, and thus were not Vikings.

I love this channel now, just super interesting.

Halló halló from iceland id just like to say that this was pretty accurate compared to a lot of other peoples retellings so good job👍

0:28 - "*especially* for Norse mythology" Slavic religion where we literally know only names of some gods crying in the corner

Actually I am a Hindu and in Hinduism there are actually around 20 *big ol’ books* to understand the religion.

@NotChinmayi

2 жыл бұрын

But not that much Abrahamic religions have just 3 or 1 books

@NotChinmayi

2 жыл бұрын

It's better to call Hinduism "religions" than "religion"

@ripinkhanna6075

2 жыл бұрын

20? I don't think there are that few.

@derdenni2260

Жыл бұрын

Oh me good nobady cares

this really helps me a lot with my reading. thank you!!

Whee, hej! As a scholar (in the making) I can tell you that most scholars (+ those in the making) I know are very sceptical of Snorri, BUT he‘s definitely not a garbage source since well, we don‘t have that much more xD We just need to take this source as what it is: Stuff from a hella rich christian guy written centuries after Christianization. But for that, he‘s a good source :D

So currently I'm reading a translation of the prose edda and I don't know why but when I read the part that the gods are just Trojan heroes I laughed a bit because Loki is apparently Odysseus according to sturlison It seems fitting

Thick Thor is pretty cool

Wait, so how is Neils book different from the actual mythology???

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

He just adds some small details here and there. Mostly to explain things left ambiguous in the sources, or to just make it a more compelling narrative.

@viking_warlordce

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo oh l see, thanks

the shrek puzzle part was way funnier than it should have been lol

arent the aiser technically just jotun but a few generations later?

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

The terms "Aesir" "Vanir" and "Jotunn" are basically just groups you can join into or leave. Not different species. Many Aesir gods have Jotunn parents, and Jotunn women who marry Aesir or Vanir gods usually drop their Jotunn status and join their husband's clan.

Yeah, Snorri wanted to preserve Norse poetic traditions.... aaaaaand, since he was basically in the pay of Haakon IV of Norway (at least until they fell out at the end), wanted to emphasize the ties between Iceland and Norway to further his and Haakon's scheme of the annexation of Iceland by Norway (which occurred only a couple of decades after his death). Snorri was at heart more politician than poet.

As a pagan I love your channel((: I love the funny interpretation of greek and norse mythology its pretty accurate and entertaining ((:

@Ch-ew9tm

2 жыл бұрын

Where you born a pagan or converted?

@aliasalone5823

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ch-ew9tm Well most people convert to paganism either from Some form of Christianity or from Agnostic/Atheists, however with Paganism growing in the USA and abroad being on of the fastest growing religions in Europe, more people will likely be raised pagan.

@Aceshot-uu7yx

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliasalone5823 the thing about tha tissue it is still small and paganism is an umbrella term that can even include shamanism from native American, Siberia, Polynesian and Mongolian shamanism so individual pagan groups are small except for norse being I believe the largest with maybe 1 million because eif it was larger it would start to encroach on schism and most of the others ar ein the hundred thousands, the other issue is neopaganism only relly became a thing in the 80s and given the norse ties to white supremacy, a small small group but still not a good look, and the constant treatment the myths get in popculture it will likely stay where either is and if people start getting raised pagan they will likly drop it in highschool at a higher rate than Christianity does in the US. The other thing is that the 4 largest religions are securely massive and the 5th is schism at 25 million and surpassing tha tis something paganism is not set up to do and it vary well may last a couple centuries but given how ruthless people are with christanity, paganism will not stand up to that level of attack and will likly parish as it once did before. Sorry to be a downer but that is what will happen mostly likely because if the 4 largest are losing steam then paganism will likely come down with them. Long term wise it seems that it's too decided as when people say pagan they are often one of the group and most are not mixing all of them toghther because that would be redundancy and if you then start picking myths to choose it stops being a large religion and instead a buffet.

So long as you know the characters, you can make it up.

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

True, but there is a meaningful difference between the versions of Norse Mythology that we make up for fun, and the versions that were (and still are) part of people's religion. I make dumb cartoons about mythology, but I don't want people to think that the way I present these stories reflects the actual beliefs of the Old Norse people. That's why I make these vlogs, to direct people towards proper research material.

Strange to read the prologue for the prose edda as it's written in the mindset of someone from rome or around the mediterranean, the south of the world(africa) being too hot that it burns everything and the north(northern europe and germania) being so cold so that grass doesn't grow and people can't live there, which is funny considering Snorri was icelandic.

Look up the skaldic project. It has awesome sources of old Norse writings.

In my view our old gods were storytellers more than writers. That is why the world is one big story - The life tree is Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Denmark being the trunk with it´s roots deep into Europe and No + Se the crown. There are frost people from frost land - Jortunheim and there are Jætter from the burning sun. These are in view Russians as frost people and Africans as those of the burning sun.

This needs a comeback

Thicccccc Thorrrrrrrrrr

Yet another great video!

Thanks, Jake, I have subscribed to Jackson Crawford’s channel.

Realized his left eye had a sad "smiley" in it and now can't unsee it.......

"they don't have a bible" uh buddy, ever heard of rick riordan?

@gabrielg2395

2 жыл бұрын

That’s like relying on tarot cards to get the right answer on the SAT.

"The message of salvation is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us it is the power of God" 1 Corinthians 1:18

@Dice_roller

Жыл бұрын

Nobody cares.

I think it is fair to say that the Giants were like the Titans in Roman and Greek religion. It is weird almost all religions classify Gods in two or more categories, often the less accepted category being made of older / parent gods. In Christianity, it seems the point was to make a synthesis, God Father + God Son, but maybe I don't know much about theology to say that, yet maybe that is the reason why Christianity was more accepted overall, as it integrated both archetypes of gods.

left a like because I do indeed like fat thor

is that a pull up bar in the backround

the queston of why so much use of the number 9 in Norse mythology has the same answer as the question why do we see the number 40 so much in Christianity?

maybe you know this by now but there is no "Scandinavian culture" scandinavian only refers to the geographic location of denmark sveden and norway, an annoyingly common mistake people make

I...LOVE Thicc Thor

Can we get an F in the chat for my boy, Bjorn

Yes, but these poems existed far before they were written. There is linguistic evidence to suggest that these poems that Snorri has documented have remained unchanged for hundreds of years. Dr. Jackson Crawford is an Old Norse specialist and has a video explaining this phenomenon.

Wait wait wait so according to Snorri Loki was really Odysseus now how does that work

Jake you are doing a great job. But… We just found the very place where the Edda myths started. Showing that the most that been taught about North myths are just good speculations. Do you really want to know how it came to be you are most welcome to contact me. Questions?

@JakeDoubleyoo

2 жыл бұрын

Uhh, can you elaborate on that? That's a pretty huge claim.

@History-yq5ou

Жыл бұрын

What did you manage to find?

Thor is like the cool alcoholic Uncle

I liked Kevin Hollands Norse Mythology also

1:53 it's actually only one of them, they're just keeping the identity a secret.

this was great

Hey, could you explain norse mythology in God of war

What about the Finnish mythology?

I like thicc thor

How do you feel about christianity ? Do you believe its true or not ?

I always cringe when people try to argue Snorries Norse isn't the real Norse bcs for the record Norse mythology is actually Germanic mythology and by the time of Snorri it was traded out for the one true Christianity so by that time his works were fragmented to the point where he didn't know what stories there were so now accept these or not there is no cannon

@EgoKen

2 жыл бұрын

Praise Marduk

@mikayelalikhanyan1587

2 жыл бұрын

@@EgoKenwho is marduk

@Dice_roller

Жыл бұрын

@@mikayelalikhanyan1587 Babylonian deity.

Thicc Thorr supremacy.

To be fair, a lot of Mythology is a bit strange, and it only gets worse when people believe wrong things about Myth, such as the classic "Giant" misconception about the Jotnar that so many people seem to think is real. The Jotnar were no such thing they were something different. Could some of them be large? Yes, but others were animals while othere were troll-like. Just because they had a variety of appearences doesn't somehow make them all "giants" that is one of the biggest misconceptions about Norse Myth and as a huge fan of Mythology, it irritates me that people keep believing that. Ofc, when all is said and done, the old mythologies are way more fascinating then christianity, cuz it is probably the most evil and disgusting mythology humanity has come up with, and the fact that some people today are still following it even when it's the cause of so much evil, war and genocide, disgusts me.

we boost that norse algorithm

i like thicc thor

Most of this kind of applies to Abrahamic religions too though. I mean, the God of the Old Testament is all over the place frankly, the gospel accounts in the new testament don't even agree with each other, and there were other books that weren't canonized, etc. Islam I know less about, but like Christianity, it's sort of a retcon, where they wanna pick up the authority and tradition of the older religion, but at the same time take the liberty to begin to write what God "actually" meant.

It’s sad when you think about it all of that knowledge gone over the centuries and what we have is just some pieces of it

wait, you arent Damien Haas

Thick thor is cool

Kenningar; everything in Norse mythology is metaphorical. The gods are things that we observed as humans, things we experienced through meditation and being close to nature. Every god or goddess is a metaphor, even there interactions with eachother have a deeper meaning. There, not that complicated. People try to look at Norse paganism through the lens of Christianity and that is impossible

Jake is really cute 😊

I like thicc Thor

I wrote a research paper about Odin and shamanism. *It was not fun.*

Heads up, the connection between Norse gods and Troy isn't 100% BS. There's a suggestion that the original Germanic tribe during the BC time may have came from that region. It's not as far fetched and not worth getting written off.

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@theidioticbgilson1466

2 жыл бұрын

ᛁᛏᛅ

Thicc Thor

Actually *_CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE_* is a thing many historians are seriously afraid of. Like, they have actual nightmares about how distorted our view on history is because of it.

Nose mythology is the Digimon of mythology.

👍

i like thic thor

You should do hindu mythology

I love thicc Thor

I'm just leaving a comment cause I like thick thor

I will leave a comment and say: I like thicc Thor

0:10 *CONVENIENTLY?* ... CONTAINING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW?* Well, yes. But also no.

@NotChinmayi

2 жыл бұрын

But it's much better than other beliefs

@Dice_roller

Жыл бұрын

@@NotChinmayi Not, really.

thought there was a roach on your ear💀

2:08 To be fair to the Norse, it's the same with the Bible. 🤣 You'll get contradictions to something that's been said just a single chapter before.

0:25 "picking up the scatered bits and pieces they left behind" hmm, that's pretty much the bible to lol

Noice

✝ Christian Influence™ ✝

I don’t like thick Thor but I guess I just left a comment sooooooo shit

I honestly wish that humans had invented the time machine, not for the reasons of preventing wars, or benefiting humanity of any kind, but instead help the people of Old Norse, help preserve their beliefs better, so we'd have a more accurate understanding of Norse Mythology and all the local pagan myths

im gay

Thicc Thor is an absolut disgrace! THOR HAS BEAUTYFUL HAIR AND THICC THOR HAS A CLOUD OF GREACE!

'ChRiStIaN iNfLuEnCe"