Do you think Shogun has the perfect ending? I know there were hopes for a battle but I feel the decision to not include it allowed the core of the show to shine. Let me know your thoughts below!

@Chewy427

2 ай бұрын

No battle and no future. Ending so shit it made a shitty series shittier. I wouldn't even call it an ending, nothing ended. There's still a looming battle and loads of unresolved forces. Character development is garbage, people don't change. Show me setting development. Political change, technological change.

@586bomin

2 ай бұрын

​​@@Chewy427The ending ( as I mentioned) is anticlimactic because it's meant to. As Torunaga wanted to win the least of bloodshed spilled ,the series end without seeing a full on battle. It's as if his plan was not only within the story but breaking the 4th wall for the series and even though we don't see full on battle , we still care for those who died to accomplish the goal as if we are left with the sense we lost dear friends , as the casualties were minimal but heartfelt ( we were meant to lament because in war any loss is regrettable) .Torunaga sacrificed his closest allies for the well of the realm and as Blackthorne was just another chess piece, but becomes the one who was spare after being the one with most likelihood to NOT survive. He's transformed, he never makes it " home" because he's home. The battle of Sakigahara was never the end goal, we just need it to see what leads, not to the battle, but what Torunaga did to spill the least amount of blood and why and how Torunaga was to become Shogun. footnote: Oshiba's son might be Torunaga's

@Filumgaming

2 ай бұрын

@@Chewy427 tv shows this good are wasted on people like you lmao. go watch some big bang theory

@IamMarian

2 ай бұрын

No, I think it was terrible, boring and rushed.

@Neotidus

2 ай бұрын

I can’t say I was thrilled about brief clips about how everything turns out

I’m so glad they blew their budget on costumes and getting everything looking perfect instead of a CGI battle with no emotional payoff.

@darbyohara

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. Very poor writing or just lazy. How you gonna have a 3 act structure with no climax?

@alexlyster3459

2 ай бұрын

​@@darbyoharaIt DID have a climax. Episode 9. Marikos confronting of Ishido in Osaka.

@lucasballestin9085

2 ай бұрын

this

@annfryer4048

2 ай бұрын

This is not a war series. It’s about what happened behind the scenes - the people, church, trade, different cultures that lead to the war.

@pencilswordfish

2 ай бұрын

Even the finale episode says this outright, when Toranaga tells Yabushige 'don't you get it, Crimson Sky already happened', aka the big battle already happened in the penultimate episode when Toranaga dropped a Mariko sized nuke on Ishido.

Everyone was looking forward to Crimson sky when Crimson sky is just Mariko all along..its brilliant

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Incredible. Even we were deceived by Toranaga which makes it even better.

@briengakaplan-b1550

2 ай бұрын

The poetry was mightier than the sword.

@franug

2 ай бұрын

and Mariko knew it all along; in the first scenes with Blackthorne she says that Toranaga had gave her a mission, a new purpose in life; I think even back then they were planning it

@MusicProducerrr

2 ай бұрын

Got the same idea while watching!

@dirtbarton2174

2 ай бұрын

Yes. “It would have meant certain death. So I sent a woman to do what an army never could.”

"You should be the last one to hold her." Ugh this damn series 😭😭😭

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

So emotional!

@hrhqueene

2 ай бұрын

That callback to Episode 1 😭😭😭

@JB-xl2jc

18 күн бұрын

The ending truly gutted me, but I suppose in reality it was the only way it could've gone. I won't stop wishing Mariko could've gotten to choose the manner of her life, rather than spend it trapped in harsh and brutal service to others... but, at least she got to choose the manner of her death, and that is better than many get.

I just adore Fuji. Just an innocent soul. Doing her duty as consort and eventually growing to trust Blackthorne to release her husband and son's ashes into the sea. When she told Blackthorne to let his hands be the last to touch Mariko's cross, I felt the touching emotion of that moment.

"Flowers are only flowers because they fall"

@evansonhakeem

2 ай бұрын

An absolute masterpiece that leaves you wanting more.

@furryfury.

2 ай бұрын

Thankfully, the wind. At first I didn’t understand this but I think it means, the wind will bring the seeds developed from the flowers somewhere else to grow into becoming a great tree. The wind here was Toranaga.

@joecool2759

2 ай бұрын

Nah F that….F that…you all shut your mouths. Good ending my behind, your telling me just showing Toranaga and Ishido looking at each other on the battlefield and not fighting only to be replaced by exposition of what happened and Lady Ochiba’s withdrawal from Ishido is a good ending my behind. You’re telling me that not showing Toranga’s heralding to be shogun is a good ending…my behind. Your telling me not showing John leading the cannon/ship regiments into battle getting his justice for Mariko is a good ending…my behind. Your telling me not showing John get married and have children and grow old with his family being buried and having a grave/monument in his name in modern day Yokosuka Japan just like the man he was based off in Japanese History (William Adam’s) is a good ending….my behind. FX’s (Disney) script… F that. They dropped the ball on another great show’s ending just like Legion…..F them!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

@QuoteBlink

2 ай бұрын

@@joecool2759 We don't speak Yapanese!

@dstarling61

2 ай бұрын

I bet you struggled with poetry in school.

Shogun's finale is subtle and refined like the Japanese culture itself. No over-explanations, no unnecessary battle scenes. Everything was already said and it was pretty clear that Toranaga outsmarted everyone else and that he was to become the Shogun. My favorite line, which defines Lord Toranaga as an incredible strategist, is: I don't control the wind. I only study it.

@davidalger5625

2 ай бұрын

No, it was just written with enough space for their to be a sequel or not. The ending of the original series was better.

@cbojorquez

2 ай бұрын

@@davidalger5625 the showrunners announced that there will be no sequel.

@mohdrosley9909

2 ай бұрын

Hope another novel by James Clavell such as King Rat or Tai-Pan will get adaptation

@davidalger5625

2 ай бұрын

@@cbojorquez "I think if we had a story, if we could find a story, we would be open to it. But I don’t think that anyone ever wants to be out over their skis without a roadmap and everything. And it’s also just about, do people want more of it?”

@cbojorquez

2 ай бұрын

@AliAiham Yes, you are right. The Sengoku period ended with the victory of Tokugawa Ieyasu, who founded the Tokugawa Shogunate, which also started the Edo period, and who is the historical character Toranaga is based upon. But you already know that, as you must be a Japanese history scholar. I don't get why you laugh seriously, but you come across as very rude and arrogant.

The most beautiful part of the finale for me was how many people were affected by Mariko’s death, either by regretting it (Ishido, the Regents, Yabusige), remembering her poetry (Lady Ochiba, Toranaga) remembering her words (Blackthorne, Fuji), or honoring her wishes (Toranaga, the Monk Alvito). Toranaga’s vision (and four-dimensional chess game) was finally realized, but the show never forgot that Mariko was the true heart of the story, transforming everyone by her life and by her death, and destroying Toranaga’s enemies in a way an army never could. She was such an unforgettable character in a such a wonderful show. Thank you, Mariko-dono. You are the beautiful flower that finally fell, but, thankfully, you have been carried by the wind for all of the world to see and cherish, and you will never be forgotten. 🌸🌺🌸

@briengakaplan-b1550

2 ай бұрын

RIP Crimson Sky aka Toda Mariko

@milosmilosmilos

2 ай бұрын

A strong female character done right.

@annfryer4048

2 ай бұрын

The ENTIRE Series … MASTERPIECE!! What I REALLY appreciated… the male characters showing sorrow and crying. Use to seeing Japanese men stern, cold, emotionless, hard to get a read on. This series allowed them to be human and relatable! This did the Japanese people a service! IMO. ❤️❤️

@ZaimGamePlay

2 ай бұрын

" Why send an army, when I send the only woman capable of an army " - toranaga sama

@khusidas31

2 ай бұрын

Wow what poetry

John and Fuji on the boat... their platonic union, sharing their farewell to the people they loved, in the silence on their feelings for each other. Such a beautiful scene.

@JB-xl2jc

18 күн бұрын

Two people who are deeply in grief. They can barely communicate by language, and yet, they communicate enough to comfort each other.

This story was never about battles, at least not military ones, it was a story of characters and boy did it deliver. Showing the Battle of Sekigahara would have added nothing to the story. And as Toranaga pointed out, the outcome was inevitable and history proved him right.

@annfryer4048

2 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!

@sharebear421

2 ай бұрын

It would have added a lot actually, the decisive ending. With the costumes and set pieces it could’ve been spectacular

@jmgonzales7701

2 ай бұрын

yes it was a political thriller

@thedingleberrybush6076

2 ай бұрын

@@sharebear421I think they were also held back by covid bungling on site shooting as the best we would’ve gotten for a battle would’ve been all cgi. I think it was wise they opted out of that as it would’ve devalued the shows point and message.

@grahamhill676

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean it would've added nothing? We would've actually seen Blackthorne do what he was meant to do. We would've seen the climax for the ENTIRE lead up of the series. The series is called SHOGUN, and doesn't feature a shogun. It doesn't even feature progress towards shogun because the only change is that Toranaga gets one ally. That's it.

As a Japanese, I am grateful to this drama for introducing the feudal era of Japan to people around the world today. In historical fact, after the Battle of Sekigahara, peace prevailed in Japan for a while. However, it was a difficult time for Japanese Catholics. I recommend the movie "Silence" for its depiction of that time.

@aceplatini859

2 ай бұрын

The show has great costumes, sets and actors, sadly the story has a ton of set up and zero payoff. I don’t recommend Shogun as you’ll leave feeling dissatisfied.

@greenacres1909

2 ай бұрын

“Silence” is a very powerful film!

@TurboMoist

2 ай бұрын

@@aceplatini859L take.

@petergianakopoulos4926

2 ай бұрын

I've been to Japan I know about the feudal area. I know samurai swords can cut through 3 people tops.

@Avis0123

2 ай бұрын

​@@aceplatini859 Not every story has to end in a battle sequence. The actual climax was episode 9 and episode 10 was about everything that happened after. It was emotional and beautiful. I don't know what kind of standards you have if that wasn't a payoff for you

They went for the poignant and poetic end rather than the heroic and spectacular, consistent with the way the story was told up to that point. I actually loved the way Ishido's downfall was depicted as a manifestation of Toranaga's grand vision: just looking at the war correspondence and knowing he lost before the battle even began.

@wiewat231

2 ай бұрын

Typing did lots of correspondence too

@joecool2759

2 ай бұрын

Nah F that….F that…you all shut your mouths. Good ending my behind, your telling me just showing Toranaga and Ishido looking at each other on the battlefield and not fighting only to be replaced by exposition of what happened and Lady Ochiba’s withdrawal from Ishido is a good ending my behind. You’re telling me that not showing Toranga’s heralding to be shogun is a good ending…my behind. Your telling me not showing John leading the cannon/ship regiments into battle getting his justice for Mariko is a good ending…my behind. Your telling me not showing John get married and have children and grow old with his family being buried and having a grave/monument in his name in modern day Yokosuka Japan just like the man he was based off in Japanese History (William Adam’s) is a good ending….my behind. FX’s (Disney) script… F that. They dropped the ball on another great show’s ending just like Legion…..F them!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

@ElZilchoYo

2 ай бұрын

@@joecool2759 You missed the whole point of the show then, if you want an action sequence go play Shogun Total War.

@rupitusman

2 ай бұрын

​@@joecool2759you type like blackthorne ranting to toronaga and mariko just translating it to: "the anjin disagrees with the ending"

@joecool2759

2 ай бұрын

@@rupitusman lol yea

It was brilliant. A prequel or sequel would detract from that brilliance. Let the series stand as a guide to what producers need to do in the future.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

That's totally fair!

@ElSa-fu8bi

2 ай бұрын

agreed! hands off! stop considering to tinker with perfection....

@jmgonzales7701

2 ай бұрын

how about adapt other james clavell books,

@aquamarine99911

Ай бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 Hah, I read them all as a teenager back in the 70s. I liked Taipan, until the ending. Not meaningful at all, the way Mariko's death was. Perhaps they could change that.

@allgrainbrewer10

Ай бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 most of these clowns have no idea what you mean

"Why tell a dead man the future?" Most memorable line for me

It was the perfect ending because we got to see a glimpse of Toranaga's mind which was the most interesting aspect of the show. It was not about the battlefield. Also the ambiguity of his character was on point in terms of historical accuracy and overall storytelling.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! His mind was so interesting to follow!

@itsmederek1

2 ай бұрын

He never existed so how can his character be historically accurate?

@kirktown2046

Ай бұрын

@@itsmederek1 Toranaga is based off of Tokugawa Ieyasu, one of the most well documented Japanese Shogun. Both foreigners and multiple japanese sources wrote about him. He had a reputation of being patient, pragmatic, and brutal. A scoundrel to his enemies, if you crossed him, he wouldn't reveal you were doomed until it was too late to change your fate.

Im a grown ass oldschool man and I almost teared up watching Blackthorne reaction after Mariko's death. This is what good TV looks like. Incredible production.

@ElSa-fu8bi

2 ай бұрын

I agree. Even I cried for Mariko. I love the un-wokeness of this show. The women are just as strong as the men without being some man eating "strong" woman....

@scratchy996

Ай бұрын

I saw the original show as a kid and Mariko's death shocked me. I didn't understand back then why she made her choice. This time I knew what to expect, but it still felt like a punch in the gut. As a grown man, having experienced many things, including forbidden love, their relationship felt so raw and real, heartbreaking and refreshing at the same time.

@JB-xl2jc

18 күн бұрын

I teared up in the moment to be sure. But when the Jesuit tells him that her primary dying wish was to ensure his safety, and the boat scene... those two got me reaaal bad.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." Sun Tzu It was the right ending 🏆

@keesvandenbroek331

2 ай бұрын

Maybe a small reminder to Putin?

@craniusdominus8234

2 ай бұрын

Yup, this was exactly what came to mind when I first read Shogun some two decades ago...

@reanukeeves3692

2 ай бұрын

Genghis khan begs to differ.. Guy just command and conquer

@McLarenMercedes

2 ай бұрын

​@@keesvandenbroek331How do you know you got the win first and then go to war side right? It's not over yet and we shall see how this plays out. I highly doubt you have the slightest idea how that conflict began, its roots and what's at stake for who. Let's say that one side foolishly believed they would be actively helped and now have reduced themselves to cannonfodder for people who until yesterday didn't care one iota about them. It's called hypocrisy and you'll find that one more sides than that of the "enemy". Vietnam and Afghanistan proves that things don't always work out the way some assume it will. I'll tell you another historical fact: most leaders try to stall a war as long as possible by consolidating their position first, allocating resources well in advance and bargaining/bartering by coming to terms or putting their foot down. I'll tell you one thing: as despicable as Putin is he's no fool. Underestimating your opponent is the hallmark of a fool. What you wish to see is not strategic thinking.

@badrequest5596

2 ай бұрын

that quote also reminds me of accounts on musashi's last duel with sasaki kojiro by the beach. he managed to get kojiro enraged and unfocused by simply arriving 3 hours late and still moving with no rush. kojiro was enraged by the insult that he threw away his scabbard to ground as unsheating his sword. to musashi this meant kojiro had already lost, since throwing away his scabbard implied he would not need it and did not mean to sheath his weapon again, meaning he doubted he would survive the encounter. which he did not edit: kojiro was also known for using a nodachi, which is a much longer version of the standard katana, while musashi used a normal sized katana. because of the reach difference, musashi did not use his katana and instead carved a longer wooden sword out of a boat oar to match his opponents blade size and reach

The ending evoked memories of how the women of Shogun were instrumental in shaping the climax. Mariko, Ochiba, Fuji, Kiri, Kiku, Iyo; special shout out to Yabu.

@Moshington

2 ай бұрын

Underrated comment 😅

The color palette was absolutely beautiful in this show compared to the 80's series. Very earthy tones and none of the bright colored kimonos. A very strong cast of characters well-acted. I think Asano Tadanobu may have made a name for himself with western film makers. Hope to see more of him.

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

to be fair bright coloured Kimonos was proably more realistic, we tend to with our historical drama's these days go with dark earth tones when really they tended to wear fairly bright colours

@therecalcitrantseditionist3613

2 ай бұрын

Of any thing i can criticize "modern audiences" for, it's their inability to tolerate a historical color palate in a historical drama. This show even with thr dark tones was ok. Not nearly as bad as medieval European depictions where everything is black/brown/grey leather

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 I recall an old calvin and hobbes comic where Calvin's dad tells Calvin that the world was black and white, not film and photos. Sometimes I wonder if people really tink that

@samuraijackoff5354

Ай бұрын

I still wish they went for the Kurosawa style of coloring. Bright colors and skies, then the dark contrast of smoke, gunfire, bright fires and bright red blood.

@scratchy996

Ай бұрын

The 80s show looked more realistic. The Jesuit priests actually wore orange, to look like the Buddhist priests. It's a modern Hollywood trope to have earthy colors in medieval/renaissance shows, a time when people wore very colorful clothes.

20 years ago I'd heard about an amazing TV show produced in the 1980's called Shogun. The production took great care of bringing Japanese culture to life. I then began reading all of James Clavell's works. From the multi-hundred page sailing adventures to the meticulous thoughts of hearing every villagers thoughts as events were unfolding. The new series is everything just as good as the original TV production and brings a level of quality that fully modernizes a setting from the 1600's. I got to relive my fond memories of Blackthorne and Mariko. There was sort of fond sadness seeing this show draw to a conclusion. Emotions are displayed in subtle manners which left capacity for my own thoughts and feelings. I remembered how much these works meant to me 20 years ago and I'm lucky to feel the appreciation I have now.

@josephfarrugia2350

2 ай бұрын

Gratitude for sharing your beautiful thoughts & your appreciation for your literary journey over the years. The way you described is in itself so poetically nostalgic, which makes your piece so inspiring too. Well done, & a wave from tiny little Malta (Europe).

@001suisen4

6 күн бұрын

Don't write lies. The novel by Clavell and this drama are a mass of racial prejudice against Japanese people, and there is nothing that Japanese people would call "Japanese culture". The "Japanese" in this drama exist only in the imagination of Westerners. I am Japanese, but I have never seen such a racist drama. To summarize, this drama is about "civilized white people going on an adventure in the Amazon jungle." Shogun only changes the setting from "jungle" to "Japan." In this drama, Japanese people are portrayed as "inferior creatures that are not human." The message of this drama is as follows. "Japanese people have no morals." "Japanese people are not human, they are devils." Not only is this drama historically inaccurate, it is a mass of lies in almost every aspect. Using a drama as a method to promote Japanese people as "extreme racists with no morals" is extremely abnormal, and is the true racism. Isn't this a self-portrait of white Christians? The Western critics who praise this trash drama cannot escape the criticism of being racists. What kind of education did the Americans who produced such a drama receive?

The score in Shogun was just perfect. Upon re-watching I noticed that the music in the scene of Mariko's and John's last night together before her death was the same played during his last goodbye in the boat with Fuji. What a beautiful series Shogun was.

you know why it was perfect? Toranaga: Any last words? Yabushige: 🤪hehehe 👏😂that's why.

The scene of old blackthorn was what he was afraid of and not real. First of all, he dropped Mariko’s cross into the sea, secondly, there was a brief flashback of his old self when he confronted Toronaga sensing going further with the protest will cost his life and the dreadful death to old age scene disappears.

@bachiistsho2940

2 ай бұрын

Good point!

@dbrooke3629

2 ай бұрын

I didn't get that it was something he was afraid of, but that it was a future he had been moving towards: he'd return to England on Erasmus, return to his wife and kids, hold onto and treasure his experience in Japan (and Mariko-sama), and die an old man, but he would be a man who regretted leaving Japan and still held onto the memory of Mariko-sama. By attempting to take his own life he ends that future, realizing that was a future he didn't want anymore. I would go so far as to say Toranaga-sama would not need to burn down Blackthorne's ships indefinitely as he already, in his heart, does not want to leave.

@flameout12345

Ай бұрын

@@dbrooke3629 remember when he describe the horizon to Mariko when they vist met? That's what I got out of it.

Mariko’s death was heart breaking….so final episode was just sadness with her being gone. Episode felt empty without her presence….she really was the focal point of the show; and the affection between her and blackthorne. Sort of a Japanese‘Romeo and Juliet’ tragedy. It seems even in old age, blackthorne’s heart still belonged to ‘Mariko. He thought of her dying in his arms on his deathbed while clutching a cross. It was a love story vs Mariko’s duty to Japan.

@dw4101

2 ай бұрын

They were smart not to kill her before getting almost to the end of the series

I wanted fuji to stay with blackthorne.

@alexlyster3459

2 ай бұрын

That was never going to be her plan. But I think her decision to become a nun is a sign of her friendship. When she was first assigned to be his consort, she did so under the condition she could kill herself to be with her family afterwards. But she instead decides to keep on living, in large part due to the peace her time with Anjin and Mariko brought her.

@ZaimGamePlay

2 ай бұрын

Think yes... In the end... Fuji became a nun... Cause in Japan fueral era was when you set your mind you set it there's no going back.... Fate shukumei

@CorePathway

2 ай бұрын

Part of me too…but that would be too “Hollywood” and we loved this show because it doesn’t pull punches.

@ed8018

2 ай бұрын

Fuji was badass.

@davidalger5625

2 ай бұрын

That is their plan for the sequel. They set they up by releasing the hold her child and husband had on her. They should do like Halloween. Shogun 2, 3, 4... 35.

Shogun felt more like the HBO mini series of old than current TV series. It's kind of nice knowing there is no season 2.

@CorePathway

2 ай бұрын

“Hey, we have a hit! Let’s drag this out for 5 more seasons no matter how ridiculous we have to make the plot”

@leebarbs7176

2 ай бұрын

That S4 Ghost Yabu arc certainly got a bit weird...

@davidalger5625

2 ай бұрын

Um, it is Hollywood - money always wins. It will be rushed, but it will arrive. Perhaps that is the real Crimson Sky.

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

@@davidalger5625 no there won't be a season 2. if anything Clavells other asian saga books will happen

@guidoferrari5415

2 ай бұрын

@@leebarbs7176 Man I kinda want yabu one kenobi ghost around in season 6

I totally agree, it is the most perfect and poetic ending for any series I have ever seen! I loved it. I love the part when Lord Toronaga released the hawk to the skies and retorted, “may you have many daughters” l realised that Mariko was like a daughter to him and his loss was deeply felt too!

One of the best shows I've ever seen. The ending was such an emotional journey and just perfectly in tune with the overall feeling and motif of all 10 episodes. The acting by not only the 3 main characters, but also ALL of the supporting characters (Fuji and Yabu have a special place in my heart) was at the pinnacle of the profession. Cinematography, costume design, writing. Such an epic undertaking to make this quality of a show. I am blown away by this series.

@darklonewolf4519

2 ай бұрын

It's awesome to see series like this and I wish we could see this type of quality TV more often these days, instead of the garbage fast food most shows are just offering to the audience. Shogun was definitely worth it and I appreciate it in all its glory !

@philmcclenaghan7056

Ай бұрын

Lol what. Slow and so up it's own ass. Every sentence is trying to be a poem and trying to make you think it's so deep. It's embarrassing how they made the bad guys so "obvious" and broody and the good guys so "innocent". Like a child's interpretation.

@darklonewolf4519

Ай бұрын

@@philmcclenaghan7056 I think you probably watched a different show or your attention span is on an awful level

@001suisen4

6 күн бұрын

The novel by Clavell and this drama are a mass of racial prejudice against Japanese people, and there is nothing that Japanese people would call "Japanese culture". The "Japanese" in this drama exist only in the imagination of Westerners. I am Japanese, but I have never seen such a racist drama. To summarize, this drama is about "civilized white people going on an adventure in the Amazon jungle." Shogun only changes the setting from "jungle" to "Japan." In this drama, Japanese people are portrayed as "inferior creatures that are not human." The message of this drama is as follows. "Japanese people have no morals." "Japanese people are not human, they are devils." Not only is this drama historically inaccurate, it is a mass of lies in almost every aspect. Using a drama as a method to promote Japanese people as "extreme racists with no morals" is extremely abnormal, and is the true racism. Isn't this a self-portrait of white Christians? The Western critics who praise this trash drama cannot escape the criticism of being racists. What kind of education did the Americans who produced such a drama receive?

The battle of Sekigahara where lord Tokugawa Ieyasu was out numbered 75,000 warriors to 120,000 and still won the war to become SHOGUN.

@ZaimGamePlay

2 ай бұрын

Make it a movie instead since we all seen the forseeing from toranaga sama. It was a chef kiss when he told yabu about it...

@nont18411

2 ай бұрын

@@ZaimGamePlay There’s already a movie in 2017 named “Sekigahara”

@ngyeok7511

2 ай бұрын

​@@ZaimGamePlay8

@Barlofontain

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget the part where a large portion of the 120,000 switch sides

I ugly cried all the way to the end. The funeral was a massive public display of the respect the people had for her, and that was huge. All the families stood together for the final goodbye. Thank you Mariko-sama ❤😭

@dbrooke3629

2 ай бұрын

Oh man I cried so much in this episode too.

I was privileged enough to see both versions of Shogun as a kid in 1980 and now as an adult they did a wonderful job in this retelling of this story I hope they turn the next book Tai-Pan into a mini series

@bjdaniels4228

2 ай бұрын

That would be awesome! And re-do Noble House as well!

@BKLYN_TZU

2 ай бұрын

@@bjdaniels4228 that's the truth there's so much material from the Asia books series they could create new shows for the next few years

Man this show really hit me in the inside.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

It was such a powerful one!

To wind up a series based on a book which is so full of events and people is not easy. The last episode really nailed it. For me Toranaga was the main person who orchestrated the events and was simply brilliant .

For 12 hours in September of 1980, I was immersed in seventeenth century Japan and infatuated with a more mature and resourceful Dr. Kildare. Unable to let it go, I plunged into the 1000+ pages of Clavell's book. So in 2024, when I saw the trailer for this new miniseries, I was delighted. Then, as I watched each episode, I realized I had to erase the past if I was going to embrace the beauty of this version. I found it difficult to watch Blackthorn walk--a sort of lumbering next to the silken gate of Mariko and Fuji or Martin Alvito. And he never seems to get ahead of the intrigue. He is always a step behind. For me, Blackthorn was the star and in this version he was not. So, I cleared my mind, drank some tea, and rewatched the episodes. Their beauty is exquisite. Their subtle movements and glances matchless. By the last episode, it is clear Mariko is the main character. Her physical absence is palpable and this perfect ending makes us feel the pain each character feels remembering her. One thing I did miss that I was hoping would be included from the book--the pillowing discussion where Blackthorn gets very angry about them offering him a boy. When the guard suggests that he might want a duck, they hesitate to ask and he says they could just get a duck and let it walk around the room and let the Anjin use it if he wished. Hilarious! I would have loved to see that.

I think Yabushige's fear of death was further enabled by the curiosity that led him to boil one of John's men in the first episode. He was obsessed with understanding what a man's final moments felt like and he came to the conclusion that it meant nothing profound. I think it makes him an interesting character imo. It's also kinda funny how Yabushige arrived Ajiro as it's lord in the first episode, but arrived as a prisoner in the final episode.

This show rewarded viewers who paid attention throughout and disappointed those who spent most of their time on their phones. I'm glad it didn't go for the easy crowd-pleaser of a massive cgi battle, which would've been a betrayal of everything this show had been about while insulting the viewers who had been watching diligently throughout.

@josephfarrugia2350

2 ай бұрын

Well stated. A battle scene or scenes would have been so out of place in this series that it would have ruined the whole experience. The final interaction between Yabushige & Toranaga is priceless, as is the final interaction of Blackthorne & lady Fuji.

@milosmilosmilos

2 ай бұрын

People upset that a show about chess didn't end with rocket launchers.

@ZaimGamePlay

2 ай бұрын

The series is a love letter to me... The amazing acting, setting, deception. Mind blown 3 heart. It's amazing.

@raywheeler6822

2 ай бұрын

Wrong....

@squirlmy

2 ай бұрын

"Betrayal"?!?!? It would certainly be different, but I don't think it would be a betrayel. The 1980 series had a bit of battle at the end I believe, and wasn't bad at all.

Just to see Toranago standing there at the end..and then to have the title Shogun, be the final shot 🤌🏽 It made me cry. 10 across the board, this series is a masterpiece ❤️

@aceplatini859

2 ай бұрын

The dude was said to be a trickster and wise but by the end he was portrayed as a chancer and a coward. Whether intentional or not, these are not good qualities for the author/showrunners to impart.

@JackMeoff46

2 ай бұрын

Toranago

@klaede9666

2 ай бұрын

​@@aceplatini859 Those were Yabushige's words and he was a simpleton. Toranaga was a very complex and subtle man and we could never truly gaze into his mind.

@theprofessor451

2 ай бұрын

​​@@aceplatini859 the real character on which toranaga is based on became shogun and gave Japan nearly 250 years of peace. That's the kind of man he was. So stop your BS about him being a coward or anything, he faught in 90 battles in his lifetime. He was what Japan needed and he was best at it.

For some reason, the scene with Fuji and John Blackthorne honoring and letting go the people they cherished the most was my favorite. Fuji, played so well by Japanese actress Moeka Hoshi, was so good at showing a wonderful young woman who had suffered cruel, unbearable terrible tragedy and shaming. Fuji was an emotional center for both John and Lady Mariko. A loyal woman of high birth, education, bravery and we find - kindness. So happy the script had John Blackthorne doing her a great kindness in turn, the respect both had developed for one another as they gave eternal life in spirit, at least, in the burial at sea. That was the most perfect part of that perfect ending. The overarching theme of East meets West and a stranger in a strange land learning to try and grasp the mores and ways of the culture. To connect. And the boat trip of Fuji and John showed victory - how with work, very different people from very different cultures could have each others backs and build a strong relationship. Far better that than a CGI battle.

@swhitebull

2 ай бұрын

And it shows that the human condition surpasses all cultures and barriers - I believe that in the end, Blackthrone and Fuji came to love each other in a different way than Blackthorne and Mariko had loved, but love nonetheless. It built on respect each earned with each other (the first inkling of this was when Fuji was injured in the fire and earthquake, and watched Blackthorne resurrect the garden stone) and then comsummated with the grief that each had endured.

I feel like Yabu isn't getting his props, but I guess he was written that way throughout the series. If I remember, in the book he goes out perfectly -- three slits to the belly (probably impossible in real life) without a sound, then decapitation, with everyone watching. The unhesitating seppuku was a nod to that in the show, and Toranaga's smile was a kind of acknowledgement of how well he died, I thought. I also vaguely remember that he planned on scheming his way through his next life to get revenge on Toranaga . . . Fun character. He was outclassed by Toranaga, just like everyone else, and was a competent schemer, but couldn't quite see the end game. But Toranaga did need him in Osaka for crimson sky to work. If the whisperer of assassins wasn't there, Ishido may not have killed Mariko so dishonestly, may not have even thought of it; if Yabu didn't die disgraced, Toranaga would have had to find another way to secure his troops; if Yabu hadn't been scheming with Ishido, Toranaga may not have looked weak enough, and Ishido desperate enough. He was there as the wild card, the disruptor and sower of chaos and dishonour, exactly what Toronaga needed him to be. So let's put some flowers on Yabushige.

Alittle disappointed of not having a battle, none the less, this series was truly amazing.. one of the best out there. the perfection that the actors and cast did for this was totally appreciated by many fans

@safuwanfauzi5014

2 ай бұрын

no ishido fled and capture, be punish, no show blackthorne rebuild ship just like in 80s.

@Hadrian117

2 ай бұрын

I'd say this series was more of a drama & thriller-esque rather than an epic (with all the spying and manipulation). Having a big grand battle at the end actually feels forced and unbefitting the series in my opinion

@maxmustermann-zx9yq

2 ай бұрын

@@Hadrian117 look up the real history, that battle had so many plot twists, it would have totally fit

@teutonicAnon

2 ай бұрын

There is no battle in the book

@TurboMoist

2 ай бұрын

@@maxmustermann-zx9yq The Battle of Sekigahara has no resemblance to the show. Completely different people and motives, only thing in common is the betrayal.

In an odd sense, the classic Samurai Trilogy is a sequel to Shogun. Shogun ends with the march to Sekigahara. The trilogy begins with Musashi awakening after the battle.

@steak5599

2 ай бұрын

@NDWinnerIs I thought he was a Fictional Character, along with Sasaki Kojiro and their Duel on the beach. Or was it those Characters did exist, but their Story was a Fiction.

@Barlofontain

2 ай бұрын

@@steak5599 Neither the people, nor the duel are fictional

@Barlofontain

2 ай бұрын

I love those films, (Miyamoto Musashi played by the legendary Toshiro Mifune, who of course was Toranaga in the original Shogun TV adaptation) One thing I always found amusing about Musashi is that despite being undefeated in duels, he was often on the losing side of battles, including two against Tokugawa Ieyasu (the real Yoshi Toranaga)

@jeffdege4786

2 ай бұрын

@@steak5599 Musashi Miyamoto was real, the duels really happened, and most of the details were fiction, from the novel "Musashi" written by Eiji Yoshikawa in the 1930s. Musashi became a famous artist and author, his "Go Rin No Sho (The Book of Five Rings)" is still in print.

6:20 - Toranaga repeats the exact words in such a way that he reveals to Yabu that he knew all about his betrayals from the very start (whether from Omi or another informant), which at least can provide some palliative consideration for Yabu that his dithering wasn't in vain. He may have failed himself, but he still proved useful to someone else.

I was thinking about this today; this has catapulted into one of the better TV shows I've ever seen, up there with Mad Men (for me). The sole fact that it's one season instead of trying to elongate the story into more just for commercial reasons made it better, even if it's a bit sad. The character development (especially John) was top-notch, the production level was insane, the acting amazing, the subtlety of the story much appreciated...I've been recommending it to everyone!

Like this if you got emotional when John said “No Translator” to Fuji 🥲

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

The slow turn of the head as well!

I can’t believe this show was so good. I was thinking season 2. nope. This is the first time I’ve heard about this story. It was beautiful.

@dw4101

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. It is perfect without a second season. They have concluded the story beautifully

Agree 100% Even you brief inclusion of Fuji holding John’s hands before letting the cross fall into the water almost had me in tears again. A beautiful and emotionally resonant conclusion.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

So many moments in that final episode we're just so powerful!

It's not what I had hoped for, but upon the 2nd viewing I'm a fan. The whole series could be called 'slow', but it never felt too slow for me. The insight and revelations each episode delivered were so solid. This ending revealed the true insight of Toranaga and in such a way made the title of Shogun so much more than a winner of battles. I applaud the series for doing its thing and doing it well. It was great.

The battle Shogun had been building on was Mariko's battle all along..

I loved the semi main character of Fuji. Moeka Hoshi was so subtle in her characterisation. It was not only a perfect show. it was also a great complementary piece to the original 1980 miniseries as by watching both we get distinct opposing views of the story. The 1980 was a western, where the 2024 took mostly the Japanese perspective.

There was no need for a big battle scene. The battle was won with Mariko's mission resulting in the strategic earthquake under Ishido's feet. A woman was sent to do what an army could not.

Shōgun didn't just feel like a show that only comes around every few years. It was the only show I've seen, possibly since streaming services began, that made me feel as though the writers respected my attention and were presenting me with entertainment, not begging for my engagement.

Toranaga relied on Ochiba's deep respect for Mariko. I still didn't believe she would flip sides like that especially after what she said about Toranaga. I wonder why they stayed away from the paternity of the heir?

@nont18411

2 ай бұрын

They didn’t have enough time and ran out of budget. The show should have been 13 or 16 episodes to cover all the plotlines in the book.

@alexc8209

2 ай бұрын

Ochiba was the biggest loser in the story. She loses everything by backing Toranaga but I guess it was her love of Mariko that made her do it. I cant blame her because I fell in love with Mariko too!

@steak5599

2 ай бұрын

@@alexc8209 Did she lost everything though? Mariko said she did what she did was just because she is scare of Toranaga. She was Power Hungry. She don't want to be forced to Married to Ishido either. Once she understand Toranaga is not going to kill her and she is safe, she didn't lose anything by switching side.

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

@@steak5599 thing is, historicly, Towagawa DID end up killing the Heir and his mother he kind of had to if he didn't want his own children to have a powerful dangerous rival

@steak5599

2 ай бұрын

@@briandavion but that was years later and the Heir got arrogant and made claim to the "throne" though. Had he not challenged Tokugawa, he would have lived peacefully. Besides, I don't think they are even Royalty, I thought Japan always had the tradition of whoever dominated the battlefield gets to be Shogun, bloodlines don't matter. The Emperor and Royal family are completely different thing and have no power during that period.

Thank you for all of these breakdowns 🙏🏽 All of them were great and this was such a great show. Now that its done I can go watch those deep dive spoiler vids you have for the real life characters 😉

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! And haha, hope you enjoy them!

Us craving for battle scenes is like Nagakado wanting war and blood naively. Toranaga was not only planning to win the war, he planned to win it with the least amount of deaths to find peace for the Ja-pans.

I was so sad when this show ended, I almost Seppuku'd myself

It is a perfect show and Since there is no season 2…. “Flowers are only flowers because they fall.” A perfect show is just a perfect show because it has an ending. It’s good not to milk things out that should end

Let's hope that the brilliance of Shogun will bring further exploration into the rich history of Japan. I would love to see an adaptation of the Tale of the Heike, or perhaps a story centered on Minamoto no Yoshitsune, and the establishment of the Shogunate.

I just wish we could have had text of the epilogue from the book (which is like one paragraph long). The shock of not having the battle and instead getting a textbook "this many people died and Ishido suffered" was great.

Good time watching, been so long yet so short

I was initially disappointed with the ending, but it was mostly out of expectation of an epic battle and seeing complete resolution with characters like Ishido/Saeki. Upon reflection, I realized it was a perfect ending. A huge battle would have been out of place with how the entire show was and I love the end scene with Yabu where it feels like Toranaga is talking to us. It really left me with a holy shit feeling and made me reflect on all of his actions throughout the show. Like this dude wanted power the entire time and the council was right to want him gone. Maybe they could have managed everything with 12 episodes, but for a 10 episode series with the pacing they had, they nailed the finale.

@jenkins5265

2 ай бұрын

Yah exactly! We begin with thinking Ochiba is a villain, but by the end, I totally understand why she’s so wary of him. He was the true villain all along!

@The.ModernMan

2 ай бұрын

Haha, oh man did she goof big time. He will be the end of her and her son.@@jenkins5265

Thank you BrainAnjinsan.

Absolutely stunning front to back. Going to spend the weekend binging it to see everything I missed the first time. Can’t wait.

Maybe if you never read the book or saw the original series, the ending wasn't bad. However, the 1980 series ending was much better and showed the cremation of Mariko-san. That was sadly missing. Somethings are better in the new and some are better in the old. Do yourself a favor, see both and read the book.

Mr brain pilot take this ❤, loved your breakdown videos for shōgun

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed the videos

It is one of those shows you finish and you can't stop thinking about days later. It was really well done.

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it really is!

Yabushige wanting his dead body to feed the dogs is not because of some kind of self-hatred or something like that. Throughout the show he was always pragmatic and seemed to have disdain for useless actions. His body being buried when starving dogs are roaming around seems useless to him as it might as well feed one of those miserable suffering dogs. It's not because he cares for the dogs necessarily either. You can even argue the reason why he never fully served Toranaga unconditionally is because he didn't understand his motives or his plan. When Hiromatsu did seppuku, you can see Yabushige upset about this useless death over what he perceived to be Toranaga's irrationality. This is also why he needed to know Toranaga's plan/vision so much at the end. To know that his death was not useless, and that it was part of a greater plan, now he can die a good death. Toranaga understand this about Yabushige too, that's why he reveals it to him. It's hard to hate Yabushige even though his treason is directly linked to Mariko's death. A tragic and great character. A beautiful show indeed.

People who thought that the ending was rushed, the book ending was even shorter. Ishido's death was just 2 sentences long. Episode 10 is more like an epilogue. Everything we saw lead up to episode 9.

I thought that Fuji and the Anjin suddenly being such good friends was a bit weird, ofc in universe they spent months together but Fuji just got so little screentime after episode 4 that i didnt really feel like they buld that friendship. Fuji deserved more than a scene every 2-3 episodes, epspecially after they kind of teased a deeper relationship between the anjin and Fuji with that hand gesture after the earthquake. I gotta saythat Mariko and the Anjin also needed more direct romantic moments, she was hard because she had to be and im sure she knew her fate for a long time but her making out with John in episode 9 was way to sudden. I just think these small moments they had since ep 4 werent enough to show that they are still very muich in love like that

@swhitebull

2 ай бұрын

Fuji and Anjin-san had enough moments in the book for Toranaga to suggest to Fuji that she was possibly pregnant. Fuji said she wasnt sure.

@gkx4x

2 ай бұрын

@@swhitebull WHAT

@swhitebull

2 ай бұрын

@@gkx4x yep. Last or 2nd last chapter of the book. Theyre discussing the end of Fuji's 6-month term as consort and where she go from there (seppeku is what she desires), and Toranaga says she has a "Bloom" in her cheeks, and asks her if she's pregnant. Anjin-san and Fuji do "pillow" earlier in the book.

@swhitebull

2 ай бұрын

@@gkx4x Also, let it be said that in the book, Blackthorne found Fuji unattractive, but that Mariko encouraged him - out of respect for Fuji - to treat her as as consort - in ALL ways, if you get my meaning.

Perfect yes! Thank you for this

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

The boat scene where Angin helps helps put her son and behind her was perfection. The way they look at each as. the camera pulls away you kind of hope she scraps the convent idea and they get something going as he obviously would like to do.

the 1980 version had a much more clear bond between Mariko and blackthorn but Mariko's death has so much more weight in the remake to not only blackthorn but the rest of the characters too

Presence is most felt in Absence -Kimki

Show don't tell. It leaned too heavily into telling. I think there was an expectation toward more of a show for the finale. But alas.

Mind boggling how good this show was and how I didn’t know about it till a couple days ago!

@BrainPilot

Ай бұрын

Enjoy watching it!

I understand the point completely and I do appreciate the fact that it ends in the same way as the novel. Open ended conclusions can be satisfying in a completely different way. However, the lizard part of my brain knows they had the budget and talent to pay off the season with a exciting finale battle and I wish we'd gotten something more than what we did. Either way, my John Wick/Game of Thrones enjoying lizard brain aside, Shogun was the best political drama I've seen in a very long time.

We also have to think how the producers in 1980 would think if they had the tech we have now to make a nice battle. With modern computer we can easy make a good battle, so maybe a battle would also be good. Either way it was a good modern version of the 1980 version. Both was good.

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

It was a modern version of the NOVEL. which never really described the battle eaither

I totally agree. Not many shows could end so perfectly.

To anybody criticizing the ending: rewatch the entire series if not as a binge, then in large chunks. View it as a movie, rather than a weekly series. In context, the ending makes perfect sense.

@donkeysaurusrex7881

Ай бұрын

Why waste my time? I’ve already seen the visuals, and now I know it ends up going nowhere just a big info dump to explain what happened and will happen instead of showing any of it.

Who needs blackthorn's battleship when you have a noblewoman to sacrifice to turn half the country into hating 1 man. Damn It must be suck being Ishido

Less is more, only one season to no full battle scene- smartly done. I feel like this will be an annual re-watch for me as a companion with Blue Eye Samurai.

Initially I was disappointed on finding out there was no second season. I felt that the Series ended without a resolution However, the more i've thought about the ending, the more I liked it. We the audience really were Yabushige. The explanation of crimson sky was fantastic. Episode 9 was also called crimson sky- that confused me so much last week but makes SO much sense now What a tear jerker of a finale too Brilliant show

Currently crying while reliving that finale through this video. Just spectacular.

It was a pleasure, the 21 episodes (inclusing yours, giving us one more today). Lonely tuedays ahead...

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

I stand in awe of these great artists that took this story and made it their own. It made me feel so many different emotions for these characters and it’s been a long time since I cried but this made me cry and feel and think.

Toranaga was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers! This show was superbly done in every way possible! No need for a battle because it was already won in the mind! 🎬

After the first 2, I almost gave up on it with the changes from the book. But so happy I hung in there. A very satisfying ten episodes. In the end, Toranaga achieved his goal. Ruler with minimum amount of bloodshed. Whole armies survived and peace came.

Bruh, when Toranaga said "why tell a dead man the future?" was IT. 👌 Knowing that Yabushige first said that phrase somewhere around the first episodes. Man that was epic. Toranaga is on a whole other level

When your scheming and strategy is so on point you avoid an entire war and still come out on top. That shows how smart toranaga was. And although a massive (cgi) battle would have been intense and entertaining. This was the better ending

@SAKURA_KIRAKIRA

2 ай бұрын

マジで本当にそう思います😊

@dark_winter8238

2 ай бұрын

But he didn't avoid the war. The battle was the largest in feudal Japan.

@briandavion

2 ай бұрын

@@dark_winter8238 but... he turned it from a battle he would have lost into one he could WIN

@dark_winter8238

2 ай бұрын

@briandavion very true. I just correcting the false take of going around that he avoided a war.

Loved every moment, simply a masterpiece!

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

They had the chance of having a really cool battle scene portraying Sekigahara, like a LOTR battle, they have the CGI to do it, huge battle scenes are really cinematic, and they skipped it, I was really disappointed by that.

Anjin San was no Richard Chamberlain. Made the other characters shine and the series about Japan rather than a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court feel.

This iteration of Shogun is a masterpiece. The ending so meaningful. Made me wonder how one person can hold so many schemes in their head and execute them and win, Amazing.

I'm glad they didn't show the battle. It would have changed the vibe of the last episode. Also, the cgi of the reference to the battlefield was already a bit janky, so I wouln't like to know how the battle would look.🙈

@timothy1949

2 ай бұрын

😂😂its a budget issue bro

@garvitprashar3671

2 ай бұрын

​@@timothy1949 The battle was skipped in books too

@MustardSkaven

2 ай бұрын

Seeing the aftermath or outcome would have been nice though.

@MustardSkaven

2 ай бұрын

@@garvitprashar3671 It wasn't skipped. It was just told of briefly. The book does make it clear Toranaga wins and Ishido dies.

I think there was a beautiful closing of the circle with Yabushige’s death. In a way he died on those rocks earlier in the show, and his death happening in the same place with his body returning to the sea. I think Toranaga being his kaishakunin and sending him off in a single stroke instead of the nine it took when he was a 12 year old “boy warlord” was important too. It showed him fully and completely becoming the “warlord”/Shōgun. Can’t wait for season 2.

Very well described and summed up. They did a brilliant job with conveying the characters’ emotions and arc.

Imagine showing Thanos getting all 6 infinity stones and then the movie ends. Like WTF.

@dstarling61

2 ай бұрын

That you are comparing Shogun to a ridiculous Marvel movie, shows how much you didn’t understand it. Pay attention in school, it will serve you well when you grow up.

@gkx4x

2 ай бұрын

@@dstarling61 cringe answer, the material doesnt matter when he is making an example

@str1xt

2 ай бұрын

@@gkx4x You need the material to give an example. Go back to school

@gkx4x

2 ай бұрын

@@str1xt bro does not know what an analogy is lol

@str1xt

2 ай бұрын

@@gkx4x And yet you called it an example? And yet alas, you still need the material for said analogy to make sense, bruhhhh.

Agreed. It is perfect.

Oddly, the least developed character was Toranaga. We see almost nothing of his inner demons. He proclaims the realm is all important, but he is sacrificing anything and anyone who stands in the way of his ambition to become Shogun. Tens of thousands of soldiers must die, he demands absolute loyalty, he orders death for villagers when the destruction of Blackthorne's ship was his plan all along, and If all the pretence and lies aren't enough...he comes across as a total sociopath without a conscience. We needed more backstory on how he became one of the most brilliant military leaders of feudal Japan. And why he could sacrifice his own children, friends, and allies with a confidence that these things must be done to insure that his goals were achieved and his personal survival was guaranteed.

9/10. I wanted to see the cannons fire one last time. Didn’t need a full episode dedicated to the battle, but show it’s start at least like the beginning of a charge. 😭

Yall think this show is going to get nominated for any awards ?

@BrainPilot

2 ай бұрын

Loads I reckon!

@dstarling61

2 ай бұрын

Tons of nominations on the technical side. And if Anna Sawai doesn’t get an Emmy, I will be very disappointed.

@briengakaplan-b1550

2 ай бұрын

Probably... all of them. And will win all of them.

@samuraiko

2 ай бұрын

@@dstarling61 Agreed - just give her the Emmy and be done with it. Same goes for Hiroyuki Sanada.