Norman Finkelstein: What is the reality of Palestine movement, BDS and Arab World today?

Norman Gary Finkelstein (born December 8, 1953) is an American political scientist, activist, former professor, and author. His primary fields of research are the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the politics of the Holocaust. He is a graduate of Binghamton University and received his Ph.D. in political science at Princeton University. He has held faculty positions at Brooklyn College, Rutgers University, Hunter College, New York University, and DePaul University, where he was an assistant professor from 2001 to 2007.
In 2007, after a highly publicized feud between Finkelstein and Alan Dershowitz, an academic opponent, Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul. He was placed on administrative leave for the 2007-08 academic year, and on September 5, 2007, he announced his resignation after coming to a settlement with the university on largely undisclosed terms. In an official statement, Finkelstein said that as he had more than fulfilled the requirements for tenure, and the department and college-level committees had voted to tenure him, he concluded that the decision not to give tenure was due to external pressures that had affected the process; in the same statement, DePaul defended the decision to deny Finkelstein tenure and said that outside influence played no role in the decision, and described Finkelstein as "a prolific scholar and outstanding teacher." In 2008, he was denied entry to Israel and banned from entering the country for ten years.
On his 2018 magnum opus Gaza: An inquest into its martyrdom, Prof Noam Chomsky commented, “In its comprehensive sweep, deep probing and acute critical analysis, Finkelstein’s study stands alone.” John Dugard, a distinguished authority on international law who was also the U.N. Special Rapporteur in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, described Norman as “the most serious scholar on the conflict in the Middle East.” Raul Hilberg, the leading scholar on Holocaust studies said that Norman’s place in the whole history of writing history is assured and posterity will judge Norman Finkelstein’s work more fairly than ever.
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  • @IndiaGlobalLeft
    @IndiaGlobalLeft Жыл бұрын

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  • @AlJalandhari

    @AlJalandhari

    Жыл бұрын

    it should be "India and The Global Left"

  • @toseeornot2see
    @toseeornot2see Жыл бұрын

    I never realized I was part of a brand. I mean, I vocally support Trans rights. Is there an element of corporatisation of gender? Yes. But if you are to make positive change, you have to be willing to attract a lot of people, as Norman himself said.

  • @stephenwallace8782
    @stephenwallace8782 Жыл бұрын

    Incredible interview and it is clear that Norman likes this show and is happy to have a chance to speak at length. Hope to see him again.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Stephen. Did you see our token of thanks to you within the video? Anyway, hope you are doing well.

  • @stephenwallace8782

    @stephenwallace8782

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh I see it!

  • @stephenwallace8782

    @stephenwallace8782

    Жыл бұрын

    Honored to see that little nod there. Happy Thanksgiving, we'll be in touch.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stephenwallace8782 *Thankstaking

  • @coolcreamykiwi
    @coolcreamykiwi Жыл бұрын

    One very important thing to feature in your mind when listening or reading Norman F., is that more then most, he cares deeply, he cares profoundly for peoples hearts, for peoples souls. Many I fear think he is cold or worst uncaring, this is not remotely true...

  • @mary-leelutz4911
    @mary-leelutz4911 Жыл бұрын

    Sorry to see Norman Finkelstein throw in the towel.

  • @johnnash1491
    @johnnash1491 Жыл бұрын

    Wonderful discussion. Placing Palestine in the larger context. Wow!

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Жыл бұрын

    I have to thank Norman since I learned about playing back videos at 2X speed. He used to give many speeches, and I've heard many of them, and he has a powerful message...based on reality. Merci beaucoup. For some reason I have been inundated with videos of a certain religion saying they want to build their temple. Of course they have a small matter about what to do with the present structure, but for them it is a minor point. We live in interesting times.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    Those are charlatans who, like you, know bugger all about Judaism.

  • @Rammbock
    @Rammbock Жыл бұрын

    As a 40 yr old who has been following both Norm and the Palestinian issue for 20 yrs, I must say his argument against BDS is only valid as far as its "identity" function in the contemporary woke context is concerned. However, as a genuine cause, it is the one thing that truly upset Israel. Israel's appropriation of the cause does not mean it is illegitimate, but could also be interpreted such that it shows what Israel truly fears. In short: Jews are the most powerful and resourceful people in the world; ANY potentially successful strategy is going to be vociferiously fought by the Israel lobby and their minions. That doesn't mean the strategy is wrong, but that the challenge to really change anything substantial is tough. Norm has the tendency to believe an academic argument will change anything, when in reality, power does, and BDS is the only tool the Palis have. Making nice with the Israelis won't work, because Israel's goal is to eradicate Palestine.

  • @hansfrankfurter2903

    @hansfrankfurter2903

    Жыл бұрын

    I see Norm more as a gatekeeper , perhaps even as controlled op, rather than a true activist or a radical intellectual. He serves the same function as Chomsky does, to set the limits of "radical" discourse.

  • @HumanProgress

    @HumanProgress

    9 ай бұрын

    Do you not feel unclean and slimy using antisemitic tropes? Asking anti Zionists to be fair-minded is like hugging a slime eel, it never works and leaves you regretful and slightly disgusted.

  • @inmyopinion651
    @inmyopinion651 Жыл бұрын

    What went wrong with the Palestine struggle is the fact that US politics runs on money and lobbyist such as AIPAC is able to raise so much money they can afford to get US politicians to do the bidding.

  • @medicuswashington9870
    @medicuswashington9870 Жыл бұрын

    The fact of China has changed the balance of power. Capitalism versus Communism is front and center on the world stage. Empower the United Nations and the International Criminal Court. The result in Ukraine will impact the Palestinians cause. Thank you Professor for your sharing and commitment.

  • @madmarc
    @madmarc Жыл бұрын

    Great podcast, excellent guests, Im looking forward to listening to more interviews. I hope it continues to grow.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks a lot. We appreciate it. It would be nice to receive an email from you if you are interested. In any case, thanks again! indiagloballeft@gmail.com

  • @quintinout
    @quintinout8 ай бұрын

    I am certainly not woke and I support Palestine.

  • @merfymac
    @merfymac Жыл бұрын

    Another excellent interview

  • @pratishtha1437
    @pratishtha1437 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Do appreciate these interviews, kindly do more with Mr. Finkelstein whenever possible.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot Pratishtha. We appreciate your generous gesture. We also have an year old show with Norman on his book on academic freedom, cancel culture, and political correctness. You may check that out too. We will host him again. Stay in touch. Happy to hear more from you.

  • @comodave5
    @comodave5 Жыл бұрын

    Great interview. I enjoy watching all the guests you have. Best wishes from St Paul, Minnesota.

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Жыл бұрын

    Gaza, the longest Military Occupation in modern history.

  • @teslastellar
    @teslastellar Жыл бұрын

    Great interview👍 love professor Finkelstein ❤️

  • @Guy-lo3ld
    @Guy-lo3ld Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you had Norman on. Very insightful and interesting discussion.

  • @colibri1
    @colibri1 Жыл бұрын

    I so admire Finkelstein's scholarship, but I still don't understand his opposition to BDS, BLM, the word woke, etc. He's lost me in recent years, but his scholarship over the years is still worth knowing.

  • @swpolitical

    @swpolitical

    Жыл бұрын

    (Search Suleiman A. With Norman Finkelstein interview) 'Woke' can be termed as somebody indulging into performative activism and 'moral' politics (taking the high ground). The term when examined in American political context fits perfectly for the liberal, liberal left and the progressives. People who pay lip service to the plights of working class and more importantly build a 'brand' for themselves out of it. Before 'woke' became prominent, 'radical centrist' was the buzz, a purely oxymoronic term. What Finkelstein is trying to convey is that many of the 'left' are also cashing in on the 'woke' mania and they are trying to silence dissenting views within the left to protect their brands. Not only they create tribalistic behaviour, but also, it draws away the attention from class struggle. Fervour and moral outrage against those who do not agree with you is the norm of the 'woke'. (Norman in his upcoming book gave an example about Atheist/ faux science eugenicists against religious people who opposed eugenics. The eugenicists treated religious people and their arguments as backwards. However, the eugenicists were just highly dogmatic racists). There's more good arguments made by Finkelstein in his upcoming book.

  • @giggleman9908

    @giggleman9908

    Жыл бұрын

    Norm has a 3-hour interview with Suleiman you can look up, I recommend

  • @joecasey7415

    @joecasey7415

    Жыл бұрын

    For sure.

  • @RaphaelKaufmann

    @RaphaelKaufmann

    Жыл бұрын

    @ayan Hamas is armed up to the teeth but spend their time killing their own people.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RaphaelKaufmann Your Hasbara is lame af.

  • @dimitry123pavlov4
    @dimitry123pavlov4 Жыл бұрын

    Great show, great questions.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks dimitry

  • @TonyBi
    @TonyBi Жыл бұрын

    One correction for Dr. Finkelstein... The Camp David Accords were not in 1979 but rather in September 1978.

  • @clandestineclara9355
    @clandestineclara9355 Жыл бұрын

    I get his position about BDS but if it's not violent uprising or movements then it's a non violent uprising or movement which is the BDS movement that strangled the UK criminals in apartheid South Africa and the same is being applied here. So I'm still confused about his and Chomsky position on BDS but perhaps he might be right too

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Clara for the question,. We will pose this to Noam or Norman when we have them next time on our show. I am guessing their disagreement has to do with the feasibility factor, by which I mean, the conditions under which boycott, divestment, sanctions are effective and conditions under which they aren't. But I would rather have them speak for themselves. Thanks for the relevant comment, hope to stay in touch. IGL.

  • @clandestineclara9355

    @clandestineclara9355

    Жыл бұрын

    @India & Global Left I hope neither Chomsky or Finkelstein feels offended by those like me that is confused about their position on BDS I think the world of them. And I also listen to other activits like Miko Peled everyone should read his book. Ilan pape, Chris Hedges, Marc Lamont Hill, Abby Martin, Katie Halper, Aaron Mate, Brian Becker, Rhania Khalek. They all have different opinions on 1 or 2 state solutions and BDS vs Anti BDS movements I even saw former IDF members in groups like breaking the silence or B'Tselem saying that Israel should return back the land they stole. But one thing they have in common is to end the occupation/oppression. So yeah and thank you for your hardwork.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    @@clandestineclara9355 You are right Clara. The difference it seems to me is because of what they perceive to be a workable strategy, rather than their common commitment to see end of occupation and segregation. In fact many proponents of 2 state agree that 1 state is desirable and perhaps we get there some day, but they see the 2 state as something more agreeable at this stage. Thanks for your comments. Stay in touch.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@clandestineclara9355 BDS cannot work. Let's break it down point by point: -boycott: This action is intended to be carried out by individual "consumers", but...what does "Israel" make for (export) sale to consumers? SodaStreams and hydroponic basil...what else? Not much. In fact, 80% of the Z...ist economy is "B2B", or business-to-business sales, the lion's share of which is oil, gas and chemicals. This means that unless you personally are in the market for millions of barrels of oil, your boycott won't much affect the occupiers. The organized BDS campaign has tried to expand this outward to Amerikkkan and other companies who "do business with Israel" like HP, McDonald's and others, but most people don't know about that. Moreover (IMO), the people most likely to empathize with the Palestinian liberation struggle are typically the poorest; this means both that they often have no choice but to buy a given computer, fast food meal, etc., and that their miniscule buying power is a rounding error for these megacorporations. This is to say nothing about the idea that boycotting companies which do business with or in occupied Palestine in order to spend instead with European occupiers of other places doesn't make much sense to those of us seeking liberation not only for Palestinians, but also Filipinos, Guaraní, Kanien'kehá:ka and Irish, let alone liberation of all workers from the shackles of capitalism. -divestment: This means to withdraw one's investments from companies of the type I mentioned above. Again, though, most people have no investments whatsoever (!), and most of those who do have them don't own individual stocks but rather have some sort of managed retirement savings plan, often through an employer, or union or professional association. This means that a) most people have NO CLUE where their money is invested and may not have the time or the inclination to find out, and b) even if they wanted their plans to divest from "Israel", they would be a lone voice in the wilderness, particularly inasmuch as Z...ist infiltration and control of financial services -- which runs all of these investment schemes -- is total. Hell, just making noise about it could leave a person tarred as an "antisemite" among their colleagues, or even result in unemployment! I'm not saying people ought not take such risks for a righteous cause, but they currently are not doing so, and it's hard to blame them when the result is so uncertain. In short, divestment relies on the notion that "people power" can restrain capitalism. It cannot. -sanctions: This is an action which can only be carried out by (bourgeois) governments, virtually all of which are under the sway of the world hegemon, the United States. This means that no matter how broad the support for any particular movement (national liberation, anti-war/anti-imperialism, opposing police brutality, socialism/communism, etc.), the bourgeoisie still have the power to suppress them. In London, Palestinian demos have gotten hundreds of thousands of participants...yet the UK government is among the staunchest supporters of "Israel" (indeed, that government created it, namely Arthur Balfour). So...does it sound like any sanctions will be forthcoming? BDS is a failure. It just makes a few Western activists feel like they're doing something where they are, even as Palestinians are being harassed, dispossessed and slaughtered on their own land as a matter of course. I haven't even watched this video, but I expect Norm still views armed struggle against the occupiers as the only way to achieve liberation. Absent evidence to the contrary, this is my position also. Hope that helps.

  • @clandestineclara9355

    @clandestineclara9355

    Жыл бұрын

    @You Row, Joe! you know what I actually like how you break it down and and I appreciate you writing a long thorough essay for me and I truly respect your position. Now I do have a question for you and don't take it as a debate but more of me reading your POV. So I do get that Noam and Norm would rather seek for arm struggles over BDS but as we all know US and Israel always cheats, even when the struggles is peaceful such as the great March of return where Palestinian just getting mowed down as though they were grass on a field. And when the terror hits it's limits and Palestinian resort to struggle against the oppressor violently with justification. The US media and other corporate media will use justified Palestinian violent struggle and twist those videos and images and paint a perfect picture of Isràel defending themselves tho the rhetoric usually falls flat because most of us aren't dumb. With those things I've pointed out perhaps BDS is one of the solution to challenge the structures of power. And I do agree with you that BDS will work superbly if the bourgeois elites mainly in Washington supports it. But at least it does gives something for activists or just regular citizens that's opposed to Isràel fascism some form of ammunition to challenge the structures of powers, if it is just meaningless rhetoric then Isràel shouldn't be afraid of it and not go to all 50 states and getting our policy makers to ensure any American that wants to make a living to not support or even speak about BDS. So hopefully your response isn't harsh or degrading because we have the same goals that is to fight fascists but we're trying learning and applying the same approach for the same end.

  • @anelesiguqa
    @anelesiguqa Жыл бұрын

    when's part 2 coming out?

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for asking Anele. Actually we didn't go on to record it, as Norman had a long day. We would definitely do a part 2 of it- covering also the interesting questions our viewers have raised in the comment section. May be late December can work. We have about 4 other shows coming up before that. Stay in touch. IGL

  • @anelesiguqa

    @anelesiguqa

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IndiaGlobalLeft nice

  • @albertroundtree8546
    @albertroundtree8546 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Norman. I respect you and your work.

  • @Brianbeesandbikes
    @Brianbeesandbikes Жыл бұрын

    Important critique of movement leadership. Needed was how to AVOID THOSE PITFALLS.

  • @mustang19ms
    @mustang19ms Жыл бұрын

    I would have loved to have asked Mr. Finkelstein, what would be a good move forwards for the cause of Palestine, if there is any, so that Palestinians achieve their goal of return

  • @nickgharibian6935
    @nickgharibian693510 ай бұрын

    As usual Dr F. ‘s analysis is so powerful.! That’s why he’s black listed in just all of US media even the left- or so called left.

  • @nataliebolles
    @nataliebolles Жыл бұрын

    We must protect Dr. Finkelstein at all costs

  • @johnbanach3875

    @johnbanach3875

    Жыл бұрын

    Is his life in danger? Just another leftist speaking his mind and not many people seem interested.

  • @thomasj.schmidt4748
    @thomasj.schmidt4748 Жыл бұрын

    that's why i love dan schueftan.

  • @tylerdurdan7128
    @tylerdurdan7128 Жыл бұрын

    The United States gave Israel 3.8 billion dollars in 2022. Israel will have a budget surplus of more than 4.5 billion dollars for 2022. It is time to make some cutbacks to American aid to Israel.

  • @wnklee6878

    @wnklee6878

    Жыл бұрын

    @Meme Memeson Nothing can ever change because kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3yfsMaposiaf5M.html

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    "Israel" is an Anglo-Amerikkkan outpost to control the price and flow of oil, and considering the imperial and colonial nature of those two, what chance do you think workers have to force them to change their tack? You're deluding yourself.

  • @tylerdurdan7128

    @tylerdurdan7128

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fun_ghoul Are you saying Israel would only be our friend if we give them money? Whoa... layoff the antisemitism.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tylerdurdan7128 You're not making much sense, troll. Nice account from last week, tho.

  • @tylerdurdan7128

    @tylerdurdan7128

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fun_ghoul Why do you think Israel only likes American money? Do you think the Chinese would use their U.N. security council veto 43 times to block sanctions against Israel?

  • @giggleman9908
    @giggleman9908 Жыл бұрын

    Supreme interview

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @Gigika313
    @Gigika313 Жыл бұрын

    👍🏼👍🏼

  • @rickgoodman3687
    @rickgoodman3687 Жыл бұрын

    Always insightful, thanks for this interview.

  • @theaconite1400
    @theaconite1400 Жыл бұрын

    Should they even be trying to get Western support? Seems to me that they would be better off looking for material support from the global south.

  • @zacboyles1396
    @zacboyles1396 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot. We haven't had the chance to interact yet. We hope, we will. Stay in touch. Thanks again.

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Жыл бұрын

    Do you think we have to wait for the next Nakba before there is any justice?

  • @anelesiguqa
    @anelesiguqa Жыл бұрын

    Professor Finkelstein

  • @mauricet2840
    @mauricet284011 ай бұрын

    What a great man, courageous and tireless for a dispossessed and oppressed people - the Palestinians. The theft and occupation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Golan Heights - nothing of that nature ought to have been tolerated after the catastrophe of World War 2, let alone the travesty of setting up a Jewish state on someone else's land. A stronger (but insufficient) case for such theft would have been to do the theft in Germany. Shamefully the main friends ( and axiomatically the enemies) of Israel have been the US, UK, Germany and France ( except under Giscard d'Estaing).

  • @HumanProgress

    @HumanProgress

    9 ай бұрын

    When Muslims colonise half the world imposing Sharia, it is GOD’S WILL. When Jews go home to their ancient homeland, it is illegal apartheid fascism. 😂 you guys……

  • @Johnconno
    @Johnconno Жыл бұрын

    Changed? The weather?

  • @daisybugzy
    @daisybugzy7 ай бұрын

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸

  • @helgeellevset3004
    @helgeellevset3004 Жыл бұрын

    If the palestinians have ceased resisting, why are more dying

  • @theaconite1400

    @theaconite1400

    Жыл бұрын

    It's possible to get shot without resisting. Also I think he means there isn't significant organized resistance. There of course are individuals here and there resisting and of course when continued with violence I'm sure they are attempting to defend themselves. It's not an organized mass resistance though.

  • @helgeellevset3004

    @helgeellevset3004

    Жыл бұрын

    @@theaconite1400 like he says; after the Oslo agreement protesters also have PA security forces against them. PA does not want trouble because that dries up aid from EU and others, which is skimmed to own and family/friends private companies

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Жыл бұрын

    Not all Jews are Zionist.

  • @greenmanalishi8766

    @greenmanalishi8766

    Жыл бұрын

    True, only 98%

  • @cdean2789

    @cdean2789

    Жыл бұрын

    @@greenmanalishi8766 most Zionists are Christians

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cdean2789 But most Jews are Zionists.

  • @ludviglidstrom6924
    @ludviglidstrom6924 Жыл бұрын

    This was brutal

  • @tenmanX

    @tenmanX

    Жыл бұрын

    Cynicism, borne of protracted ineffectiveness, always comes across as brutal. Finkelstein has fought the good fight, but he's no Lenin, or Mao, or Ho Chi Min, or Castro. When did any noble "cause" or movement, however pure and righteous, ever liberated any peoples?

  • @stephen1340c

    @stephen1340c

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tenmanX Norman Finkelstein was a committed and active Maoist. He would know.

  • @samphyllobates4765

    @samphyllobates4765

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tenmanX you might be right but...i mean , what is the alternative ? Didn't it work with Apartheid in south Africa ?

  • @tenmanX

    @tenmanX

    Жыл бұрын

    @@samphyllobates4765 The alternative is evident from the history of other successful struggles against colonialism and imperialism: revolutionary armed struggle. Lenin or Mao did not reinvent the wheel fundermentally, it's been known at least since biblical New Testament times (Matthew 11:12). You think SA, where around 78% of commercial land is owned by non-blacks, is a model for freedom? My earlier comment was a dig at both Norman F.'s and BDS's project.

  • @theaconite1400

    @theaconite1400

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tenmanX I don't think Norm is claiming that a "noble cause" as just an idea would liberate Palestine. I think what he means is that part of the reason the Palestinian struggle has stalled is that the leadership has not shown themselves to be supportive enough of regular people. The Bolsheviks ran with the peasants' demands for peace, bread, and land. The CPC similarly fought to liberate the peasants from their feudal landlords/warlords and redistributed land to the peasants. Ho Chi Min and his comrades captured/"stole" stored grain that the comprador class and/or French colonialists had withheld from the peasants and gave it back to the peasants. While I have no doubt that not getting killed by Israelis would be appreciated by regular Palestinians, the leadership has not shown themselves particularly capable of providing that and they don't seem to be materially offering anything else.

  • @cdean2789
    @cdean2789 Жыл бұрын

    What is woke?

  • @babymonalisa
    @babymonalisa Жыл бұрын

    I'm beginining to think Finklestien has switched sides and is trying to demoralise this cause. And whats this obesession with woke? He keeps harping back to this and I find it very jarring. By the way, I disagree with his stance on BDS as a non violent form of resistance. Otherwise, whats the alternative? Overall, this is a very negative take with no inspirational message. Almost saying Palestinians should give up.

  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    I share your concern on the obsession with woke. I feel it is often a right wing talking point. On the depressing aspect of the talk, I felt the same. Norman would say, that is the reality. Anyway, thanks for engaging with the content. Stay in touch. Solidarity.

  • @HumanProgress

    @HumanProgress

    9 ай бұрын

    The modern State of Israel was born in 1948. The local Arabs who still live there went from not having their own state before 1948 to not having their own state after 1948.

  • @rouxbe3595

    @rouxbe3595

    7 ай бұрын

    @@IndiaGlobalLeft It seems unfair to criticize him for an “obsession” with woke when he only just wrote a book on it, so it may more fairly be characterized as a recent interest or subject of inquiry. He’s clearly an obsessive man by nature, but 40 years obsessed with Israel-Palestine vs one year (if it took him that long, maybe only 6 months) writing a book which examines some dubious people who are getting very rich & famous, and giving the left a bad name. Also, he did not take a stance of opposition to bds as a nonviolent form of resistance, he stated he has long been in favor of boycott, divestment, sanctions as a tactic or tool, and even cited his work to get Presbyterian activists to use it with Caterpillar (bulldozers used to destroy Palestinian homes). He criticized “BDS” for a lack of clearly defined goals, and not adapting or changing. I have to agree BDS could have been more effective if it had taken Norm’s advice. His prophetic comments on how “Israel is working 24/7 365 for the future” to solidify the idea that BDS is powerfully dangerous and antisemitic, to stifle any criticism of Israel when the time comes. Well, the time has come, and their 24/7 365 work is clearly benefiting Israel now. Of course, the some of the tactics of the Hamas attackers also help to stifle criticism. Interesting to see how “the residue” he kept speaking of has been re-ignited in the last few weeks. I appreciated his acknowledgement of the difficulties that a religious, as opposed to a secular, movement has in garnering support from a western secularist left. “If you’re gonna be-head a homosexual, if you’re gonna be-head a woman for not wearing a scarf …forget about it.” 🎯

  • @salemsalem6255
    @salemsalem6255 Жыл бұрын

    I agree with Dr. Norman Finkelstein but I think Palestinian should change their method of resistance ,the Indian resisted the European when the immigrated to America and they got slaughtered and the indigenes of South Africa until united nation woke up to the reality , the best scenario I see one country with Jews , Christian and Muslims they have to accept to live together regardless who governs and to me Palestine is undividable , Zionism has no place and the world has to wake up to the injustice they inflicted on the Palestinian. I am against dividing Palestine and against Zionism occupying Palestine Jews always lived among Muslims they never had problem ,the dilemma was in dividing Palestine ,the Jews , Christians or Muslims they never asked the United Nation to create separate country for the Jews ,at 5% in the forty's Jews were in control they had no problem living together

  • @archyology

    @archyology

    Жыл бұрын

    The one state solution will probably happen eventually, but right now Israelis won't have it, and that's what is preventing that.

  • @RaphaelKaufmann

    @RaphaelKaufmann

    Жыл бұрын

    The land of Israel is just that, the land of the people of Israel, not the figment of Roman imagination. And that was way before Arabs immigrated to the land to benefit from the economic growth Jews created in the region in the XIX century. There never was a real country Palestine and never will. It always was just a synthetic nominal administrative tag.

  • @archyology

    @archyology

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RaphaelKaufmann There never was an Israel prior to 1948, it's a modern invention. It's also got nothing to do with the Jewish kingdom, which did exist around there, along with a bunch of other civilisations as well. Jews think they own the place exclusively, sure they've always been there, as a minority, along with the Palestinians. Palestine has a rich history, well documented, it is an advanced civilisation. The original Jewish community, the Yeshuv, opposed Zionism quite strongly..

  • @trygd100

    @trygd100

    Жыл бұрын

    @@archyology there never was a Palestine

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@trygd100 There never was a Ukraine, either. 😘

  • @HumanProgress
    @HumanProgress9 ай бұрын

    Modern Israel was born in 1948. Local Arabs who still live there went from not having their own state before 1948 to not having their own state after 1948.

  • @viktortandofsky6914
    @viktortandofsky69143 ай бұрын

    FINKELSTEIN IS NOT A PROFESSOR HE CANNOT FIND A TEACHING JOB

  • @johnophidian7011
    @johnophidian70117 ай бұрын

    I respect Norman Finkelstein but he is being nuts to expect "analyzing the cause" by the Palestinians. Is there a single Palestinian in Gaza who would openly criticize Hamas militants for being brutal blood thirsty beasts killing point blank women and children?

  • @johnophidian7011

    @johnophidian7011

    7 ай бұрын

    Does Hamas care about their own civilians at all? The recent events show clearly they DO NOT. All they do is to stir violence and terrorism. They are INCAPABLE to create - all they can do is to DESTROY. If the citizens of Gaza agree with Hamas and support Hamas, should Gaza even exist?

  • @Christian-ry3ol

    @Christian-ry3ol

    7 ай бұрын

    Look at the bigger picture. Many do in fact condemn those attacks, it of course isn't reported in the media, there is also many who just have a lot more to deal with. We are talking aboutt the total blockage of Palestine for decades, being treated as subhumans without access to clean water, food, fuel, oil, gas, air sspace, sea space, no airport, and CONSTANT humiliation and destruction of infrastructure of Gaza. I wonder how you would become after decades of such treatment.

  • @johnophidian7011

    @johnophidian7011

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Christian-ry3ol They are treated as sub-humans because they ARE subhumans. Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. And what Hamas is should be obvious to anyone by now. A lot of money and resources were pumped into Gaza's economy in the last 20 years, and yet NO ECONOMY was built. Instead the money were used to build tunnels and weapons. The only goal Hamas has is to kill as many Jews as they possibly can. They are scum, and those who support them are scum just as well.

  • @SkillUpMobileGaming

    @SkillUpMobileGaming

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@johnophidian7011Your first sentence from your latest comment clearly demonstrates the extent of the "respect" you have for Finkelstein's work: zero. If you think Gazans are not human, then you have no place standing besides Finkelstein. Clearly, you do not know who he is nor what he stands for.

  • @johnophidian7011

    @johnophidian7011

    4 ай бұрын

    @@SkillUpMobileGaming Why do you expect your own ignorance to be common in other people? - I read his books, and still believe that he is NUTS believing that Palestinians are capable of "analyzing the cause". Do you believe that "civilian Palestinians" who spit on dead bodies of semi-naked girls brought into Gaza by Hamas could be called "humans"? Those regular "civilian bystanders" were most certainly subhumans.

  • @LaLasta
    @LaLasta Жыл бұрын

    norm always 💯🙌🏽❤

  • @epluribusburnum3082
    @epluribusburnum3082 Жыл бұрын

    finklestink living on stolen native soil in Long Island NY after the indigenous of Long Island were slaguhtered, to make room for finklestink!!! finklestink weeping for Palestine.

  • @chriszikos3672

    @chriszikos3672

    Жыл бұрын

    silly

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    So you agree that European occupation is bad. That's correct.

  • @epluribusburnum3082

    @epluribusburnum3082

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fun_ghoul Yes. It was a nightmare for the indigenous while their descendants and their benefactors point their fingers at Israel

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@epluribusburnum3082 Wait, so you only think _some_ European occupations are bad? I'm so confused! Please elaborate how Europeans occupying Turtle Island is morally different from Europeans occupying Palestine.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@epluribusburnum3082 Norman Finkelstein is not a descendant of Christian colonizers, brainlet, and you supporting so-called Israel is a nightmare for the nations here occupied by Europeans because Israel relies on the same legal fiction to justify its existence as the IS, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, etc., namely _terra nullius._ Are you done with your lame Hasbara, Unit 8200 troll? You're not really convincing anyone of your love of Turtle Island nations...

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    @marloraske5203 Жыл бұрын

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    @kittehjuice Жыл бұрын

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  • @IndiaGlobalLeft

    @IndiaGlobalLeft

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot. We appreciate it. Hope to stay in touch, and even hear from you through email. Thanks,

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