Honestly, this is one of the best channels on KZread. How can anyone stay mad at Norm? He's so honest and kind. I think his anger comes from his kindness and that gets him in a lot of trouble.

@AudioPervert1

11 ай бұрын

Black Reparations has already become bu$iness in America. Warmonkey Obama could also be part of Black Reparations? Oh no but, He is part of the global american terror and capitalism incorporated. This woke Left of America and copy-cat India (Indians as usual) are basically belting bullshit in essence. Jyotishman Ji and generation! The middle class in India as hollowed out, hopeless, perhaps facing mass extinction (try Brown Reparations 1

@justzee1574

11 ай бұрын

Stop lying🤦🏾‍♀️

@marcusnelson7026

10 ай бұрын

Also Alan Dershowitz.

@monotech20.14

9 ай бұрын

Sabby Sabs is a lying pandering ego driven HACK . Just like Dore and other grifters. She's a fraud.

@mgkos

5 ай бұрын

@@marcusnelson7026his anger comes from Derkowitz? Is that what you’re saying?

We Love You Norman!!! One of our Greatest Intellects...with an infallible compass for Truth!!!

@aprescoup

11 ай бұрын

You must be another proudly know-nothing shitlib...:(

@justzee1574

11 ай бұрын

For what? He just crying 😢 😭😭 cause white people can't totally dominate and enslave no more as easily

@monotech20.14

9 ай бұрын

Sabby Sabs is a lying pandering ego driven HACK . Just like Dore and other grifters. She's a fraud.

Both Sabrina and Norman, they literally had me pumping my fists. The last quote from Sabrina about her views on the two camps within the left, were absolutely on point. Norman was his usual self, which is a big a compliment as I can pay anyone.

Sabrina, great segment!! Small observation: my neighborhood had a large office supply store that included a full-service copy and print store with furniture and office machines as well as electronics. It closed. Half the space was rented to a medical facility that buys plasma. This sh!t is real.

@fun_ghoul

10 ай бұрын

So basically, productive businesses which employ people are replaced with blood-sucking parasites. Yep...sounds like capitalism!

@monotech20.14

9 ай бұрын

Sabby Sabs is a lying pandering ego driven HACK . Just like Dore and other grifters. She's a fraud.

NORMAN: Bernie's class coalition by itself would not be enough to correct racial inequalities, but it would benefit disproportionately black communities, which is not inconsequential. SABRINA: I can't believe you're saying racism is over! NORMAN: I would never say that. All I'm saying is that Bernie's class coalition by itself would not be enough to correct the inequalities, but it would benefit disproportionately black communities, which is not inconsequential. INDIAN GUY: The New Deal sucked! It CREATED the conditions of black poverty we see today! How can you say class based programs alone would fix racial inequality? NORMAN: Sigh.

@raykirkham5357

9 ай бұрын

Sabrina was talking about generational wealth. There are numerous ways people are deprived and discriminated against in America. I think there should be reparations for all the people who went to prison for smoking marijuana and for being a Communist or a Socialist or anything that rich people frown upon. I accept reparations for black people and always have but I have clearly observed in my 80 years of lived experience as a leftie (a real one whose heart is in the right place) that such people always clash with rich sleaze bags. I think we have to deepen our understanding while we work on ideas to alleviate the social ills this system predatory capitalists have created for themselves. We need to understand there are many routes to abject poverty and these routes are lubricated by capitalist narratives. Poverty happens when one member of a family asserts rights for minorities that capitalists have attempted to reserve for themselves.

@santosd6065

9 ай бұрын

@@raykirkham5357 The topic of reparations is embraced by everyone form Whoopi Goldberg to Joy Reid and any number of progressive (meaning Neoliberal in all but rhetoric) politicians. The reason being that it is, in practice, an idea not unlike prison abolition... it's impracticability makes it all but impossible for it to ever come into fruition (which is precisely why these Neoliberals embrace it). Whenever the topic of organizing a multi race coalition based on class and economic programs, accusations of racism, sexism, transphobia and the rest are thrown in your face. Witness the virtual disappearance of Med 4 All, $15/hr minimum wage, union organizing and the rest from public discourse, including Bernie and the Squad. Identity politics is being used as a bludgeon to obliterate whatever is left of Bernie's coalition. THAT was my point.

@rachelwinkel6408

9 ай бұрын

Agreed! Words don't pay the rent.

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

​@@raykirkham5357your a good person. Equality isn't met by giving or exchanging wealth without getting something in return nothing is free. Education and skill building brings Equality.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

@@johnnyfive9815 Jesus Christ, you're such a jagoff.

Thank you all for so much for dialogue. It's much apprecieated. One thing I'd like to point out is that most of us have no problem recociling ourselves with our gender. There are exceptions. They are a tiny minority of people accross the world who do not recogize themselves at young age as the gender they were born to. It has absolutely no impact on the genreral populations. The recocnition of this small populations of people should not be a problem.

This was wonderful. Thank you so much, you have so effortlessly earned a subscriber based on this alone - I look forward to spending hours going through your other videos.

Such an excellent debate, thank you ❤

7:33 Because our Ancestors weren't compensated financially or any other way for their labor and your labor is your wealth but our labor meant somebody else's wealth.

Prof Finkelstein always willing to listen and learn to the benefit of us all and well done Sabrina for taking him on! ❤

@sinatra222

6 ай бұрын

He never listens. Every "debate" he participates in is just an endless monologue, and he always does at least 75% of the speaking and his opponent gets no more than 25%

It's easy to be an idealistic purist when you have medical insurance, a decent job, and your good education.

@PiceaSitchensis

10 ай бұрын

Are you insinuating Norman is being idealistic? Otherwise you're just stating a truism.

@kenjohnson6326

10 ай бұрын

@@PiceaSitchensis no, Norman Finkelstein is a realistic idealist! My comment was directed at left purists who won't support an excellent candidate like Bernie Sanders, who would get a lot done for people, because they're not always on the side of the angels -- which is electoral disasters, which doesn't add up to anything anyway.

@rachelwinkel6408

9 ай бұрын

I don't understand how people don't see that you're not going to achieve any racial or sexual equality WITHOUT MONEY! I don't have issues with Sabrina's arguments, but this guy seems to lack awareness of how money is crucial to survive life. As I said in another thread, words don't pay the rent, and EVERYONE is having a hard time paying the rent!

@monotech20.14

9 ай бұрын

Sabby Sabs is a lying pandering ego driven HACK . Just like Dore and other grifters. She's a fraud.

@Gettothegone

8 ай бұрын

@@kenjohnson6326couldn’t agree more. I think the internet has created this idea of purity seeking on the left. I think post modernism and now the internet has exacerbated this idea that people are pure or not and doesn’t reflect the reality that people fall into shades of gray.

Sorry to say, Sabrina was out of her league for this one. Stick with Jimmy Dore...jus' sayin'.

What interview is Sabrina referring to?

Wow. Great job. Thanks. One of the best channels.

This encounter: extremely smart idea and approach; great offering for viewers.

Student loan/ college tuition- Blacks are not the main beneficiaries bc our college going numbers are much lower than other groups. This also applies to other policies like housing, etc. Also data shows that current universal programs still widely discriminate against Blacks.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

I'd say the greater discrimination is among those who do "make it", being pushed at far higher rates* than other "races" into physical and emotional drudgery rather than highfalutin degrees that pay nothing (unless/until you sell your soul to someone rich), the latter mainly the province of rich-borns who can live out of the 'rents' pocket until their soul's value hits maturity. *I don't have stats in front of me, but I've watched literally thousands of hours of "news" programming over several decades, including hundreds of hours of proceedings of the Canadian House of Commons and Supreme Court. Besides, wrt stats, there are always questions about the data, both gathering and interpretation. Sometimes, we just have to be real about what we see with our own eyes...and I barely see African/"Black" people in positions of authority or prestige!

What a refreshing conversation between interesting minds and intellectuals.

49:21 Or as Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly calls him, Jim ClyBUM. It's doubly funny, because when you type "Clyburn" in many fonts, it looks like "Clybum". 🙂

Excellent conversation. You’ve got a new subscriber. Keep ‘em coming!

The conversation around reparations should be that it is owed, it was promised therefore it is owed. If they don't want to pay then they have to cancel it through legislation. How it is paid, what it's going to be used for, all of that should be secondary

@santosd6065

11 ай бұрын

Rather than dictating what the conversation “should” be, what if you try to address Finkelstein’s practical considerations? Had Bernie Sanders made reparations (the kind proposed by Elizabeth, Warren & Ta-Nehisi Coates), a Central pillar of his platform, what do you think would’ve happened to his multi racial, class based coalition? Or are practical considerations irrelevant? In other words, is it more important to strike the correct moral posture, even if it means getting 0% of what you are presumably fighting for, or to build a mass class based movement without explicitly calling for reparations, but that will benefit disproportionately, poor and underserved African American communities ?

@SThrillz

11 ай бұрын

@@santosd6065 when you want to have a conversation you need to start with the foundational truths with which everyone can agree, if people cannot agree with the foundational truths then you are pretty much wasting your time. If you talking about reparations it is owed, it's in writing and documented so it is owed and if people cannot agree with that then what's the point?

@santosd6065

11 ай бұрын

@@SThrillz I agree with your initial statement. You need to start at a starting point everyone can agree on. I cannot speak to "reparations are owed because they are in writing" because I don't know what "writing" you are referring to. If we're talking are reparations MORALLY justifiable, then yes, of course I agree with that. I also agree that massive reparations, compensation and amends should be forthcoming to Puerto Rico (where I'm from), Palestinians and, more to the point, Native Americans. The entire continent was stolen from them in the context of genocide and extermination, and I can see a case being made that the continent should be returned to them and all non natives should be returned to their countries of origin. This would come in conflict with returning the entire US West and Southwest to Mexico, which was stolen in 1848, so something should be worked out about that. I'm not being sarcastic, all of these were historical crimes about which a moral and irrefutable case could be made for reparations and restoration. Do I think there is more than a snowball's chance in hell of any of it coming to pass? No, not at all, I can't imagine anything remotely like this will ever happen. Which is precisely why people like Angela Davis, Ta-Nehisi Coates & Elizabeth Warren have taken up the issue. As a practical, political reality the only thing that can possibly roll back this military-industrial-corporate-financial juggernaut is a class based mass movement. The whole argument for race based reparations cannot help but alienate not only vast numbers of all other ethnic minorities, but working class whites as well... with good reason. Not only would they be asked to pay reparations to another group based on ethnicity (even if the people expected to pay are recent immigrants), but the rhetoric and language used in such a campaign cannot help but be divisive and alienating. Which is precisely why elites embrace the issue. I can't imagine working class whites whose industry was shipped to China under Clinton-Bush-Obama-Trump-Biden Neoliberalism would take kindly to Joy Ann Reid telling them they are privileged and should pay reparations to her and other well paid MSNBC hosts. What this most likely to result in isn't in reparations being adopted, but in an even more vicious, racist, ultra-nationalist MAGA style movement. It's called divide and conquer.

@SThrillz

11 ай бұрын

@@santosd6065 you keep repeating the point about alienation like it has anything to do with reparations, this is completely made up. Like I said if people are not reasonable enough to accept documented facts then there's no point dealing with them. There were several reparations agreements made and broken the one often referred to is the 1865 Special Order for freed blacks to be given land and it wasn't done, it is owed. If you owe the bank money they don't care about your details you have to pay and if after a white you don't pay they have to write it off and that's what the conversation has to be, it is owed and if the US government doesn't want to pay they have to write a legislation saying they won't pay so people can move on. The current issue with the reparations discussion as you have shown is that it's been shrouded in all these ridiculous narratives that don't have anything to do with reparations. I personally couldn't care less, what I'm saying is truth should be the foundation of political discussions then it's easier for everyone to have a reference point whether they like it or not, whether it's divisive or not is a different conversation.

@santosd6065

11 ай бұрын

@@SThrillz Do you believe there is any realistic chance that a Reparations Bill will be accepted by the majority of the public, and would get past both houses of Congress, signed by the president and not shot down by the Supreme Court? Is there a chance of that happening that is more than 0%?

you can redistribute till the cows come home, but if you dont change the "system" (i.e. capitalism) it wont mean shit. there is plenty of data that shows, under the current system a complete "redistribution" would have most wealth back in the hands of the "1%" in no time. each according to his need/each according to his ability!!!!! the class structure is a BUMMER

@osamuikeda3953

11 ай бұрын

Well, a fair redistribution of wealth is fundamentally anti-capitalist, so...

@Bisquick

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, this is precisely why psycho neoclassical "libertarian" economist Milton Friedman was an active proponent of the ostensibly "progressive" policy of UBI (as was Nixon for a brief time, almost quietly passing through congress in fact if I recall, were he not dissuaded by, shock of all shocks, a larger systemic argument to prioritize solidifying _class_ domination over such initially distributed liquidity, enter infamous Volcker shock, etc.) - without changing the *structure* , as you said, it just generates further ground-level working class liquidity to be absorbed up to the top _while simultaneously_ providing a rationale to continue hollowing out the remaining shred of "welfare" entitlements that remain. Indeed, the _only_ political question to cut through these ulterior motives remains such: _cui bono?_ *_Who benefits?_* The communist creed: _From each according to his ability, to each according to his need._ The capitalist creed: _From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed._

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

Maybe it's time for you to move on from this country capitalism is the foundation.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

@@johnnyfive9815 Amerikkka isn't a country. Capitalism is indeed the foundation, tho...and it's rotten. Just wait twenty years, mouth, when you have no more than you do now.

Wealth and income is not the only formula for more equality. Understanding, and knowledge of cultures is an imperative.

This was not a debate. It was a civil discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed , and as usual when Norman Finkelstein is present be prepared to learn.

W Dr. Finkelstein! 👍

It's been a form of financial apartheid.

Thanks!

@IndiaGlobalLeft

Ай бұрын

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The point about life expectancy in black and white Chicago neighborhoods is WOW

@justzee1574

11 ай бұрын

Wow, how about the dioblocal history of your people. So savage. Killers, enslaved RPrs etcc..

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

​@@justzee1574address the issue first. This whole what aboutism hurts and substantial conversation. It makes you sound like you cannot articulate a substantial modern explanation.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

@@johnnyfive9815 Follow your Führer, pig. 💥🐷🔫

Ultimately, Norm is one of my favorites, despite my chump criticisms, he is eloquent AF and principled

The problem with Sabrina's argument is she is claiming that black people face more barriers and more poverty, but then somehow a platform helping the poor and those facing barriers first, will somehow leave black people behind? You can argue about the details of implementation, like not giving the poorest free college if half the poorest don't want to/can't go to college, but that is basically a logistics question.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

MFers like you are in charge of doling out the aid. This puts the lie to your argument, such as it is.

@monotech20.14

9 ай бұрын

Sabby Sabs is a lying pandering ego driven HACK . Just like Dore and other grifters. She's a fraud.

@conradphillips5017

8 ай бұрын

Isn’t the source if the issue always implementation? The Gi bill was supposed to serve everyone equitably right? I’m positive a large host of blk veterans were denied… the homestead act? Need I say more? Initially social security…. Most of the legislation excluded agricultural workers and domestics… who was over represented in that cohort? Right so though these programs were allegedly universalist and targeted for the most needy, who got short-shift? Lastly, who is the great beneficiary of affirmative action? I wasn’t blk people… so how is her argument not well rooted, historically?

Yeah, this is why I stopped watching Sabrina. I dont know how you can stop an idea in people's head, like racism. But its actually possible to improve their socio-economic situations...which seems like will never happen, especially now.

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

You have the immigrant ideology because you probably have seen it happen. She loses me with that too. If she would let it go and focus on culture and foundational issues like social economics and education I'd listen to her again. She's also to deep in the weeds with socialism

There was no 40 acres and a mule, however, Black people earned the land. They earned the mule, and that was taken away at the end of reconstruction. When somebody asked me, when mathematically was the time that the black community seen the most growth, I tell them to their face it was at the end of slavery when we had protect the protections of the army down south, and they took it away when they took it away it opened the door to all the discrimination

There's been talks about Reparations ever since Reconstruction this has nothing to do with Bernice Sanders!

@B-Eazy_DatDude

11 ай бұрын

Bernie Sanders is against reparations for Black Americans, which is his perspective no one forced him to have.

@tmsphere

11 ай бұрын

Has there been since the 1st reconstruction? & BTW during reconstruction it was 40 acres& a mule, you down with that?

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

​@@tmspherethose people are gone that's over. Can we focus on educating the poor

The idea of intergenerational wealth has become normalized in the US structure, but it amounts to a type of neo-feudalism. Why not banish intergenerational wealth all together. Thomas Jefferson and Franklin both proposed a 100% inheritance tax.

To say it primarily targeted black people is not such a good way to frame it. More white people were affected than black, it is just disproportionate for black people. Exclusively focusing on skin color totally ignores this, and ignores class. There is a large black bourgeois political class that actively maintains capitalism. For example, there are cities in the south that are completely run by black people and have been for generations now. Look at Atlanta, entirely dominated by the black political class, but what is the result?

2:18 Henry Luce

00:00

Look at matt Bruenig's research of wealth among different colored people. When you remove the top 1 percent, it's nearly identical.

@AudioPervert1

11 ай бұрын

Black Reparations has already become bu$iness in America. Warmonkey Obama could also be part of Black Reparations? Oh no but, He is part of the global american terror and capitalism incorporated. This woke Left of America and copy-cat India (Indians as usual) are basically belting bullshit in essence. Jyotishman Ji and generation! The middle class in India as hollowed out, hopeless, perhaps facing mass extinction (try Brown Reparations 1

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 Jesus Christ, you're doing copypasta now? Loser.

40:56 And there are "multicultural" Canadian neighbourhoods, where all the urban poor live together -in harmony.-

Keen

Sabrina was out of her depth on this one. She went in with a head full of steam only to realize about midway through that she and Finkelstein are largely aligned. It's the perniciousness of liberal identity politics that emphasize left infighting and "privilege" (NOT radical identity politics that emphasize solidarity across interlocking oppressions) that made it so difficult for her to see that originally.

@Gettothegone

8 ай бұрын

Identity politics in and of itself does not and has not existed and is simply a product of the internet (identity politics) and social media.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

Liberal toilet comment.

Dang. Norman is popping up everywhere these days.

I don't hear much discussion of reparations for Native Americans, I would think they are the number 1 ethnic group that should be considered in the US.

@lurelover7065

11 ай бұрын

You're wondering why black people don't discuss reparations for Native Americans or you don't hear enough Native Americans discussing it?? Stay in your lane.

@crowrequiem3934

11 ай бұрын

because there are so few of them they can't even be heard

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

@@lurelover7065 No, African/"Black" people should be contemplating whose 40 acres they're demanding from Unkkkle Samuel EDIT: and into whose drinking water the mule defecates! Contrary to what Tom Cochrane said, life is NOT a highway. 🚫

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

Not only that they have high mortality rates and live in true poverty. Maybe if they were less passive and would commit more crimes and complain more maybe the country would listen. Unfortunately it's always the loudest that gets heard.

Jewish people have received reparations from France and Germany and maybe others than I am not aware of.

Life expectancy of a migrant farm worker in the US is 49.

You end the class issue, the black issue, the racistic, is the HISTORICAL issue , the history has created it and the history will end it.

35:32 This is me when I had to defend myself in court with no lawyer. There were only five other people in the courtroom, but...ouf. Anyone want to fund my appeal? L-Mao.

see the article by Adolph Reed and Walter Benn Michaels, "The Trouble with Disparity" and also Barbara and Karen Fields, Racecraft - that would help advance this discussion. NF gets it. SS doesn't because she's racialist. basically the work of Reed and Michaels has answered most of these questions.

1:04:47 I've decided that from now on, I will call every clown who says this by the opposite of their apparent gender, no askin' or nothin'.

38:01 "again", L-Mao. Does Normie realize that the Amerikkkan "Revolution" was actually a bourgeois sidestep of the British Peace and Friendship Treaties with First Nations, so Geo. Washington -- already the largest colonial land "owner" by far -- could occupy Seneca lands?

WHo even uses craigslist to find a roommate now?

"I want him to run [in 2024] . . . I see no reason for him not to run,’ said congressman Jim Clyburn of US president Joe Biden in an interview with the FT this week

It freaks me out when someone blinks as much as Sabrina does. Usually, I notice this with newsreaders.

The problem is that mainstream US culture omits class when talking about equality. On purpose. Jyotishman, you should read Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States. It will help you better understand how identity-based equality arguments have been used for centuries to weaken the collective power of all Americans. We are living in a disaster that will never change unless we unite, and we will never unite as long as all debate centers around racial or sexual equality instead of economic equality.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

F off, patsock weirdo. Amerikkka is toast. Decolonize your mind. 🐢

Hi Jyotishman, Thanks for another engaging and well-moderated discussion with two intelligent guests, and in general for running the smartest and most optimism-inspiring channel on KZread. I wanted to chime in on the end of the discussion, which I'm sure could have gone on but for time constraints, and solicit your own thoughts about it. I have a lot of respect and affection for Norm, as I assume do most people watching, but his jag about pronouns at the very end, which I've heard him give before, just isn't fair in my view. Pronouns do matter to trans people, who have existed for a long time and are a small but significant portion of the population. The increased relevance of trans issues to the US (and UK) culture war in the last five years or so should not be mistaken for actual novelty. It is true that debates about the definition of womanhood are used as a wedge issue to divide the left, but so are reparations, as was discussed here. The difference is that Norm is perfectly happy to acknowledge the moral legitimacy of reparations -- whatever its political feasibility -- whereas he seems much more vague, at the very least, on the moral legitimacy of the social acceptance of trans people. To judge from the Martha's Vineyard quip, the reason for this seems to be that he thinks trans issues are a boutique, pet concern of the wealthy and overprivileged, who need a justice issue to dote on and feel good about without ever threatening their material interests. The research shows, however, that trans people are much more likely to live in poverty than the general population, and (needless to say) this is even more true of trans people of color. (Source linked below.) If I am right that the majority of Americans "left of center" -- i.e. MSNBC-watching Democrats on leftward -- are largely supportive of trans social inclusion through pronoun use, then if anyone is guilty of "dividing the left" on this issue it would be people like Norm, who join with religious conservatives in making mountains out of molehills, such as whether or not women's health organizations (which evangelical Republicans care oh so much about!) should use phrases like "pregnant people" in an attempt to include trans men. One could respond with the argument that it's important to divide the left on this issue now, so that the left has a chance of making itself marketable to the working class, who will reject progressive gender politics out of hand. Even if you accepted the dubious moral logic of this -- that trans identity is either illegitimate or that its legal and social acceptance, while ideally desirable, is simply not important enough to risk alienating potential allies -- I still don't buy the characterization of the working class as intrinsically and inevitably anti-trans. Aside from the issues of trans pediatrics and trans athletics, both of which I admit are complicated, I suspect that most working class people really don't care that much about the issue and see it as common sense that consenting adults should be allowed to pursue happiness in whatever ways they see fit. Even if they can't relate to the issue of gender dysphoria on a personal level, they can respect and accommodate the people who do, much like we understand and sympathize with people who have depression to a much greater degree than in very recent history. So in short, I think Norm has a tendency to jam trans issues into his framework where the is "the real left" on the one hand and weaponized identity politics on the other. He uses that framework well in his book to critique some deserving targets, like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi, but I don't think it's able to account for trans issues properly. In terms of etiology, I'd basically chalk this up to a generational divide due to Norm's age (which he's right to note can offer insight in some areas just as much as it can offer blind spots in others). But I respect Norm too much to see him as an unreachable old grump, which I don't think he is. I would not want to damn myself or him with, in the evergreen phrase of The Atlantic's David Frum, "the soft bigotry of low expectations." (If Norm can draw on Stalin and Mao for aphorisms, I can draw on a Bush speechwriter!) Your take on all this, as time and interest permits you, would be appreciated. With admiration and support, Nick P.S. Since I went on at letter length, I'll email this to you too. nwlc.org/income-security-is-elusive-for-many-transgender-people-according-to-u-s-transgender-survey/

@IndiaGlobalLeft

11 ай бұрын

We replied you in email, thanks.

@AudioPervert1

11 ай бұрын

Black Reparations has already become bu$iness in America. Warmonkey Obama could also be part of Black Reparations? Oh no but, He is part of the global american terror and capitalism incorporated. This woke Left of America and copy-cat India (Indians as usual) are basically belting bullshit in essence. Jyotishman Ji and generation! The middle class in India as hollowed out, hopeless, perhaps facing mass extinction (try Brown Reparations 1

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 Another comment where you would have sounded perfectly reasonable had you stopped at one sentence, Pervert-Ji.

@PiceaSitchensis

10 ай бұрын

MSNBC is not left of center.

@nickdolan3741

10 ай бұрын

@@PiceaSitchensis I know what you mean, as indicated by my use of scare quotes! Would prefer not to get in the weeds on that point.

"Justice delayed is Justice denied"... Reparations Now! Trillions in redress are owed! #cutdacheck...then leave us alone too figure out our own path. We've done it before! Thank you for speaking truth to power...B1✊🏿

@josh-rz3uq

11 ай бұрын

Never gonna happen. It's time to get a job now, Tyrone.

1:05:03 _"...literally the case."_ I'd like to see Normie cite a source for this AND it has to be a case where it was a single "oopsie", or perhaps the person saying it has some sort of intellectual diminution. Otherwise, Normie is complaining about some hateful POS who pointedly, repeatedly uses the wrong pronouns despite having been apprised of the correct ones. Lame.

If you judge by “groups” any arbitrary group you will never see “equity”. Reparations will never happen and if they do it will not correct lingering disparities in wealth between demographics. It will cause more problems and hurt our system more than it helps. Our system is the beet system for poor people becoming not poor.

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

Toilet comment.

@stargazerh112

8 ай бұрын

@@fun_ghoul how so?

Matt Taibbi is no hero! He sold he soul Elon Musk. This is why I only agree to about 50% of what Sabrina says. She has some really bad blind spots and bad takes. She sometimes sounds like a Right winger.

I love Norm, but he doesn't even know that Maoism /= MZT. Without defining terms, people like him can bang on about any subject for hours without actually engaging any of the concepts he deigns to dump upon. 💩

@nickdolan3741

11 ай бұрын

I haven't gotten to this part of the video yet, but Norm was a Maoist himself throughout his twenties and did translation work for Monthly Review Press in its Maoist phase under Paul Sweezy. I am certain he is aware, likely to a painful degree, that there are various strains (not to say sects) of Maoism around the world and that they conform to varying degrees to Mao's own statements.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

​@@nickdolan3741 "Maoism" was a -lazy- short-hand way of saying Mao Zedong Thought back in the 1970s, which is what and when Norm (nominally) adhered to. Oh, and did you just do an appeal to authority fallacy to me, MFer? Go to hell. You're the kind who keeps Norm from having tenure!

Norman nails it as usual. Sabrina taking offence on cue as per the CRT set. It’s clear the gap in opportunity between blacks and whites have greatly narrowed. Claims that all discrepancies in outcome between black and white are due to systemic racism are clearly flawed. Reparations won’t solve the gap.

@osamuikeda3953

11 ай бұрын

Actually, if you were paying close attention, Norm is also for reparations for black people to help them achieve parity.

@ia1530

11 ай бұрын

Your understanding of the concept “Narrow” is itself narrow. It is narrow in the sense that it narrows the scope of seeing things. One way to widen it is to fill it with facts. As it stands it only reflects a rhetorical gesture.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

It always looks "narrow" when you're on the happy side of the gap. This is like an action movie, where you're the clown encouraging your buddy to run to safety across a rickety rope bridge that's hanging on by a thread -- where you already are -- by telling him "It's totally safe! What are you waiting for? Are you...chicken? Bock bock bock..."

@tmsphere

11 ай бұрын

@@osamuikeda3953 So its you who's not listening close enough actually.

@P4DR

9 ай бұрын

@@tmsphereNorm is for reparations on principle. He made it very clear.

1:05:29 My brother doesn't live in Martha's Vineyard, but he worked in the Vintages section of the LCBO until his body, marriage and life in general fell apart. Norman thinks he's living like Gandhi, eating pretzels and jogging on the beach. Most trans people are women, most among them in the US context are (as Norm gratingly says) _African-Americans_ and many trans women of all "races" are exploited for sex either quasi-voluntarily (selling sex to survive) or involuntarily (abuse of all kinds, up to and including death). So, in sum: -Trans people categorically include all "races" -"minorities" (another Norm word) are vastly overrepresented -they're being denied toilets, demonized, l*nched on the streets -some people on the teevee talk nice about them...from afar HOW ARE YOU NOT ON TRANS PEOPLE'S SIDE, NORMAN FINKELSTEIN???

Who’s running the schools in the inner cities? She’s hooked in the racism mentality- she’s living a good life - what’s her secret ?

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

Who decides the budget for inner city schools, goof? Or, for that matter, who decides when to outsource the cafeteria? Just admit that you're completely detached from reality.

Norman can't see the forest through the trees.

@Gettothegone

8 ай бұрын

You mean Sabrina can’t.

@MrGadfly772

8 ай бұрын

@@Gettothegone No, I meant Norman.

@Gettothegone

8 ай бұрын

@@MrGadfly772 I started reading his book on this issue and the case he makes is compelling. Essentially this identity politics is hollow intellectually. I notice those who are quick to use identity politics (the cowbell left) usually have had a sheltered upbringing. People in the real world don’t talk like this

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

​@@Gettothegonebingo ... they also tend to lean towards marxist ideology but produce nothing towards the working class but want to be heard. I don't get it. They want distribution of wealth because they produce nothing.

@mgkos

5 ай бұрын

@@Gettothegone 100% true of the global majority China, Russia, Middle East, Africa, SE Asia & Sth America hve zero interest in post mod, Woke banality. They’re too busy having a life & building better societies. Fine saying in China “does it cook rice”

no-one needs this lol

@anopinionatedlaymanappears9052

11 ай бұрын

Oh yes we do

@stephenwallace8782

11 ай бұрын

You are incorrect.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

Norm needs it.

@anopinionatedlaymanappears9052

11 ай бұрын

@@fun_ghoul It's clear that you need it, if you think Norm is the one in need here. Idpol is cancer to actual progress and kills all class conciousness. It's why the libs push it so much.

@yorhaserene8604

11 ай бұрын

​@@fun_ghoulyes lol

Wow, Norman had me till the end. Why does he have to bring that Trans hate every fucking time? Diminishes his great legacy.

@Gettothegone

8 ай бұрын

Trans hate? Case in point of the cowbell left and the knee jerk reactions that plague it.

Norm has such issue in letting anyone else speak,,it's really too much to watch

@dog_biter

8 ай бұрын

his brilliance gets shadowed by his inability to truly cede his time to others who, like Sabby, have actual life experience that alone undermine his run-on sentence that meanders needlessly into the past, more specifically, into the anecdotes of his life; save it for your memoir Norm

@mgkos

5 ай бұрын

Disagree. He’s an excellent listener. He just uses reason & logic in a way most can’t tolerate in this meme-sound bite- must be read in less than 3 mins online space. He speaks longer because anyone he debates, is an illiterate intellectual midget by comparison to his mind.

@mgkos

5 ай бұрын

@@dog_biterthe old “life experience trumps reason, evidence based information, discourse & deductions” Convenient one for mental midgets who can’t reason & who have no training in discourse.

@dog_biter

5 ай бұрын

I understand that of course, on occasion, especially during a panel situation and when it's with someone like Brie on Bad Faith..And not so much with Palestine, where he is years ahead,, @@mgkos

Finkelstein makes less and less sense as time goes on. His rantings are completely self-contradictory. On the one hand, no one should dare to even mention the term "one state solution" because activism is all about a message that can reach the maximum number of people and you can never influence politics without building consensus. The next minute, he vehemently declares that if your words are finding a receptive audience, you are probably doing the wrong thing, you're a sell-out, you're not a REAL activist-ie someone ostracized and cast out of society. The guy did a lot of important research and wrote some excellent books on Israel-Palestine, including "Image and Reality" which remains an essential primer on the conflict. Since then, he's lost his way and is now muttering incoherent nonsense about wokeism, droning on about his obsession with Obama (who has been out of office for years) and generally attacking anyone and everyone except for the people he obviously SHOULD be attacking, the people who pose (by orders of magnitude) the greatest threat to the country and the planet: Republicans. He needs a MAJOR reset.

@Libbathegreat

5 ай бұрын

His "obsession" as you put it with Obama is precisely that his rise symbolized the triumph of empty (and illusory) identity politics with no desire to do anything for the working class. As a consequence, Obama teed up the country to be overtaken by the MAGA monsters. He also gave Israel the green light to carry out two of its worst massacres in recent years, up until the present one. You'll notice it's an equally empty Democratic POTUS (who also rode into the White House on the "resistance liberal" ticket) who's greenlighting Israel's current genocide. The point of Finkelstein's critique is that the Democrats and the US "left" as a whole has lost its way over the past 40 years, allowing the Overton window to move further and further right. This is something that many in the left have been saying for years and the realization was slowly taking hold more broadly. But now it may be too late to correct course seeing as the Dems and GOP have joined hands to start WWIII to provide Israel cover for genocide.

SabbySabs still clinging a bit to idpol and holding up progress, even in this discussion

@nitrologly

11 ай бұрын

Cultural and old fashion genocide, systemic theft of property (my family had oil land seized), years of unpaid labor cost, and blocked access to capital. That's just straight up politics. We just happen to be black... 😅

@alovelytime

11 ай бұрын

@@nitrologly correct. and reparations are a must. and when a socialist is running for office in your local area or nationally, be sure you vote for them. dont do another Bernie Sanders, like when blacks identified with white boy Obama thru Biden 😄

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

@@nitrologly "Cultural genocide" is actually just genocide, and the phrase is used to minimize the effect. Please excise that Reich-wing BS phrase from your vocabulary, and probably, go look up Raphael Lemkin's definition of "genocide" (he coined the word).

@nitrologly

11 ай бұрын

@fun_ghoul The phrase was weaponized against China to embellish "oppression" of a group whose economic situation and standard of living was dramatically improving in the Uyghurs. If only every oppressed group could be so lucky.

@B-Eazy_DatDude

11 ай бұрын

Norman agreed with her on almost everything. Was he playing identity politics? Isn't a class-based policy based on "identity" as well?

If you're a full time KZreadr, with a master's degree. You are not oppressed

@ia1530

11 ай бұрын

It appears that you have a limited understanding of the concept of oppression. Put it in specific historical context-and you’ll see it expanding.

@fun_ghoul

11 ай бұрын

Unprovable claim.

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

She was an academic adviser; all she knows is what she's read, not what she's experienced. This is the main difference between past academics and today's career academics. Some of these people spew hatred for capitalism but end the video by asking for super chats 😂 it's hilarious

@mgkos

5 ай бұрын

Entire planet is oppressed by US Military Industrial Complex above all else. Who talks about oppression & reparation when bombs & missiles are raining down?

Victim mentality is your worst enemy. You complain about the oppressive government everyday; yet every “solution” to social and economic ills you talk about requires the government. It’s like you don’t think things through

@johnnyfive9815

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. I would of left the attempt of trusting the government a long time ago but time and time again they go right back to asking for help I don't understand.

@stargazerh112

8 ай бұрын

@@johnnyfive9815 it just blows my mind how self contradictory marxist are

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

@@stargazerh112 So obviously both your accounts. Weird way to talk to yourself.

@stargazerh112

8 ай бұрын

@@fun_ghoul 🤣🤦‍♂️

@fun_ghoul

8 ай бұрын

@@stargazerh112 You should be embarrassed for yourself, child. You have the IQ of a Twinkie, and you think you're in a position to loudly opine...like every worthless Amerikkkan. Pipe down, Cletus. Nobody cares.

Sabrina and Finkelstein will actually make a good team against any Zionist debate.

Sabby is to liberal