"So, how big do you want the model to be?" "Infinitely big, but, like, also infinitely small depending on how you look at it."

@proggigs

3 жыл бұрын

What is this, a centre for ants??

@mattiasselin4955

3 жыл бұрын

CodeParade: "Ok no problem"

@stertheblur

3 жыл бұрын

@@proggigs Yes, and elephants.

@kingminceraft9487

3 жыл бұрын

@@stertheblur aleph ants

@HenryNWhite-zp5zp

3 жыл бұрын

"So, how big do you want the model to be?" "Yes, but actually no"

oh my god playing this in vr is going to be terrifying I can't wait

@pancakes9648

3 жыл бұрын

Don't

@ianwagner3603

3 жыл бұрын

Do it

@zedfalcon6972

3 жыл бұрын

i dont think it will work

@zedfalcon6972

3 жыл бұрын

never mind just finished video, ignore me

@DrakiniteOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

That building looks really cool-HOLY CRAP WE ARE SO HIGH WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN??

@AdamCDagg

3 жыл бұрын

Had the same reaction. Went from "oh, so basically tall objects just look really short then? meh..." to "wait- WOAH don't look down!!"

@valinromania9639

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdamCDagg basically anyone with fear of height

@MandrakeGuy

3 жыл бұрын

*okay now play it in VR.*

@solarean

3 жыл бұрын

@@MandrakeGuy oh boi

@gallium-gonzollium

2 жыл бұрын

**holds up gun** “Always has been.

I dont know why, but I find it so fascinating how when you get closer to objects in this game, it doesnt look like you're actually getting closer, but rather just zooming in.

@bengineer8

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps because moving a certain distance scales all objects by the same amount, assuming that they are sufficiently far away.

@Gaswafers

3 жыл бұрын

That's how getting close to objects normally works, it's just that the speed at which you "zoom in" as you move is much faster in hyperbolic space.

@bengineer8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gaswafers Not quiet. In euclidian space, the apparent size of close objects change much faster than those farther away from you with the size change approaching zero as the distance approaches infinity. Meanwhile, in hyperbolic space, walking some distance d towards some objects will always double their apparent size no matter how far away they are, as long as they are sufficiently far away.

@bengineer8

3 жыл бұрын

What d is depends on how hyperbolic the space is. The reason that objects need to be sufficiently faraway is because hyperbolic space acts like euclidian space on small scales. Example: For small enough circles, the area is the familiar pi*r^2. However, as the radius gets bigger, it becomes proportional to e^(2r).

@markbv591

3 жыл бұрын

@@bengineer8 Yeah.. I have no idea at all what that math stuff you said was.

Burj Khalifa: Oh? you're approaching me? *reveals true power*

@BRAVETOASTA

2 жыл бұрын

HOW THE FUCK HAS NO ONE REPLIED??

@arisadefazio7885

2 жыл бұрын

@@BRAVETOASTA because it's not that interesting or funny

@lordpsi99

2 жыл бұрын

I love this

People like these amaze me. Being able to take immense artistic talent and translate that to an unintuitive environment is truly impressive. Really disproves the idea that there are only “math people” and “art people.”

@wretlaw1203

3 жыл бұрын

sometimes, the two are one and the same, and when that happens, you get amazing results

@cerebralm

3 жыл бұрын

People who are both math people and art people are usually my favourite people :)

@seraaron

3 жыл бұрын

@@cerebralm I'm one of those people! I was formally trained as a mathematician, but I've been an artist my whole life. Just this month I got into unity and game dev. I made a video recently on my channel about it, if you're interested :)

@cerebralm

3 жыл бұрын

@@seraaron subbed :)

@maciejkamil

3 жыл бұрын

Well, some areas of math literally overlap with art.

"No PBR work flow... YET" Can't imagine how a non-euclidean world might look if it was photo real...

@sighmon5640

3 жыл бұрын

i imagine it would fall straight into the uncanny valley

@ttanfield5616

3 жыл бұрын

@@sighmon5640 Yes I have the same intriguing fear

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7

3 жыл бұрын

It might be easier to get hyperbolic projections to work in raytracing or raymarching, if anything, because you wouldn't have to deal with as many hardcoded assumptions coming from the GPUs' fixed-function rasterizers. But you'd need to implement that raytracing/raymarching shader, you probably wouldn't be able to use something like RTX for this.

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7

3 жыл бұрын

Also, I remember having the 'camera turns upside down when rotating' issue in my earliest days of attempting to make a 3D game. I probably messed up the Quaternions the engine expected and treated them like Euler rotation or something, Idk.

@chromarush1749

3 жыл бұрын

Mm. Technically the world you live on is non-euclidean. The curvature just isn't incredibly noticable.

While I don't understand every concept presented, I find it fascinating how non-euclidean geometry can alter perspectives

@theodoreglenn8230

3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me about how Disneyland tricks you into thinking their park is larger than it actually is.

@Kokurorokuko

2 жыл бұрын

@@theodoreglenn8230 How do they do it?

@theodoreglenn8230

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kokurorokuko The top of the Castle is way way smaller than the top. Every story of their buildings are about 3/4 the size of the story below.

"Wake up honey, there's a new Hyperbolica Devlog video!"

Im going to love buying this for vr and then immediately throwing up.

@OrangeC7

3 жыл бұрын

You aren't making full use of your headset if you don't throw up at least once a week

@DS-tv2fi

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrangeC7 Laughs I’m not getting motion sick easily.

AIGHT HOLD UP... did my mans just say this is going to run IN VR!? Like damn now I want to go out and buy a VR so I can throw up in it.

@MuffinTastic

3 жыл бұрын

my guess is that it won't run on standalones like quest, and you'll have to get a regular one that hooks up to a pc

@wupsje1

3 жыл бұрын

@@MuffinTastic quest can play pc vr games though with virtual desktop or via cable if you also have a pc with the game

@OrangeC7

3 жыл бұрын

It's possible it won't be quite as disorienting as one would think. Apparently, when seeing a hyperbolic space in VR, because parallel lines diverge it causes everything to appear much closer than it really is. Although, I haven't been able to witness this effect firsthand because I haven't been able to find any demos that I can try out with my VR headset.

Sempre legal achar um brasileiro participando de um projeto massa como esse. Parabéns João

@Eroamagorath

3 жыл бұрын

de fato, o projeto é incrivel e até agora eu não fazia idéia que tinhamos um br por trás, valeu, joão!

@the.perceptionist

3 жыл бұрын

Pensei a mesma coisa

@user-ns5di9on9n

3 жыл бұрын

Единственное, что я понял - Джоао либо из Испании, либо из латинской Америки.

@pfvento

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ns5di9on9n Бразильский!

@gabreeles

3 жыл бұрын

Ele falou o nome arrepiei

i love when i find out by accident that there's a Brazilian artist behind a project i like. Continua mandando bem, João! Estou super animado pra Hyperbolica

Imagine getting Isekai'd in a Hyperbolic world

@tsuyu2200

3 жыл бұрын

Props to the mangaka that takes up that challenge.

@neopalm2050

3 жыл бұрын

you'd just immediately get lost if the curvature is worth noticing lol

@gerobi1233

3 жыл бұрын

What's that? Your House. Ok, looks strange. And what about this? NOOOO, don't go in the forbidden corner.

@Kipwich

3 жыл бұрын

If it’s an Isekai, what kind of overpowered abilities are you going to get?

@SimonClarkstone

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kipwich Lots of small bone fractures when you arrive, and a poor sense of direction. :-) I have considered the situation before and decided the best explanation to give people I'd meet is that I come from a very small universe where everything is tiny, and the change of size injured me because obviously (in hyperbolic geometry) a small thing cannot be scaled up without being slightly distorted.

This kind of work must be one hell of a thing to put in a portfolio.

oohhh, I've been waiting to see this! Great Modelling João!

@joaokalva5573

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

It was really cool to hear from João! Always interesting to see how hyperbolic space throws traditional game dev techniques on their head.

@ZenoRogue

3 жыл бұрын

The most challenging thing in HyperRogue is procedural generation. The space grows exponentially, so you cannot just create the whole world (of size 10^7000), because it will not fit in the memory. We also had to use unique algorithms, and a completely different game design which makes sense for such a world. And all this work is basically invisible for the typical player. Difficult things seem easy, easy things seem difficult. (It seems Hyperbolica does not go in the direction of lazy procedural generation.)

I am HYPER for Hyperbolica >:).

every still frame of this game looks like a flat drawing, ironically

@MrFram

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. It's the same reason walking in hyperbolic space looks like zooming - there's no parallax in hyperbolic space

@ynntari2775

3 жыл бұрын

I experienced none of these. It looks fine to me. Depth looks normal, movement looks normal.

@STANNco

3 жыл бұрын

@@ynntari2775 not a criticism. I just think it looks flat somehow. Still very freaking cool

@ynntari2775

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, I'm not responding to a criticism, I'm just pointing out our perceptions appear to work differently, it just amazed me. It seems my brain is used to interprete hyperbolic spaces.

@igorjosue8957

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrFram well, yes, and this since this is a not so distorted one, in some highly distorted hyperbolic spaces maybe it even has inverted paralax, the far away things are, the faster they move

How it feels when you have 120 fov:

@randomcatdude

3 жыл бұрын

The true Quake Pro experience.

@BrokVoekler

3 жыл бұрын

AH CAN SEH FOR FOOKIN MIYLES

@rtyzxc

2 жыл бұрын

how about infinite fov?

@p9rk

2 жыл бұрын

infinity*infinity

@lordpsi99

2 жыл бұрын

vineM8

I can't wait for this. It's so interesting to hear about.

The low-poly art style is unique and cute and I am happy you guys settled on it. My PC has an old AMD Radeon graphics card and most Steam games can't run. Hopefully, since I pre-ordered this game on Steam, I will be able to have it run at 60 FPS. Since Unity is the primary game engine, it should automatically optimize all of the shaders. Hope your game will do well and get a lot of sales!

Always nice to see talented artists go out of their comfort zone to work on things like this, huge props to João!

It's amazing that you can still immediately see that this is Gauss in that painting, even though it's just a couple pixels.

The animation explaining the UV map and the UV unwrap is amazing

There he does it again. My brain got stretched and squished in order to understand everything :O

Big portuguese hug to João! Happy to see PT gamedevs!

A really nice move putting a picture of Carl Friedrich Gauß in such a space, chapeau!

Y'all don't rush this game. I want your best work. That said, super excited to play it!

Those are some very interesting details. I can't even imagine the complexity of trying to add things like clouds or birds without defaulting to a classic sky map with its own rules. What you have done is really incredible! I wish you the best of luck and will be looking forward to the future.

as a 3D environment artist this is really interesting!!! thanks so much, I would love to see more dev logs about the art some time, keep up the amazing work you too. also the texturing workflow is genius.

I really like all those unique challenges that emerged from it It's things you normally take for granted, for which you now had to find a new way to handle

With all that stupidity in the world now, its super relieving to watch and listen to someone smarter than me. Amazing! Looking forward to trying out the game :)

This was the best explanation of UV mapping i've ever seen. Its looks like you squished an object, dropped it into a pool of paint, pulled up and unsquished it.

Now I can finally experience what it feels like being a main character in H.P Lovecraft's stories

@bettercalldelta

2 жыл бұрын

don't google Lovecraft's cat name

@nicefloweytheoverseer7632

2 жыл бұрын

@@bettercalldelta is it CAThulu?

@bettercalldelta

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicefloweytheoverseer7632 no it's the n-word

This type of game devs make psychodelic trips real

Me: I like your funny words magic man

Really like that tip of using a single image texture for a region/level/model with different gradients, might adopt that idea

I was gonna say: "imagine this in VR" Seems like we won't have to imagine :) You guys rock!

@r3dp9

3 жыл бұрын

The reaction videos will be priceless.

I love this so very much ... it is so fascinating to see the distortions and how everything is so relative

This kind of visual effects would be complemented super well by A Beginner's Guide style storytelling. You walk away from a small object, and it gets lost in the fog. Later, when you're far away, the fog clears up to reveal it surrounding the entire world around you. You climb a ascending stair, up and up, and when you look back down, the ground is so far away you can't even see. Things like that feel like some kind of metaphor.

@hyperbeast4340

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

The outro scene makes me want a hyperbolic maze game. Where everything looks fairly normal in 3D space, but the pathing doesn't line up to Euclidian space, where the hyperbolic mapping is so subtle it's almost not noticeable without prior knowledge of the game being in hyperbolic space.

I am living for these Hyperbolica Devlog videos. And getting a dive into the 3D modeling aspect of things is even cooler!

If I played this game I would be like "Wow, how they did this? I dont understand anything" But we have these incredible explanation videos, so now im like "Wow, how they did this? I dont understand anything"

Tessellation can be used to uniformly address the geometry matching issue, controlling the subdivision amount with the norm of the distortion tensor (presumably max norm). OpenGL version 4.0 nicely supports it, it increases time spent on the vertex stage, but can be controlled to only tesselate highly distorted areas.

With every update I get more certain that, once this dropps, you will never have to worry about money for the rest of your life. Take your time, we're all very much hyped to enjoy hyperbolica

Caraca mano, eu realmente não esperava um br aqui. Parabens pelo trabalho Jão

That last forest maze tiles are exactly the confusing yet predictible stuff i hope for

This game is gonna be so disorienting, but it looks so interesting and cool.

All this has made me realize that a Hyperbolic/Non-Euclidian Horror Game would be awesome.

YES. I WAS SO HOPING THIS WOULD BE VR-COMPATIBLE. YES. THANK YOU. YES.

Finally we can see R'leyh as it truly looks.

your videos are always so good. keep is up and i can't wait for the game to be done.

The jungle labyrinth is an excellent idea imo

It's always interesting to me how walking while looking at the horizon looks more like zooming in than moving toward it, since horizontal lengths grow exponentially the farther they are away from you

It's awesome to see more into how this works, and it's also cool to see more environment sneak peeks!

Very good explanation, wish you guys all the best!

tbh. I didnt like his voice at first, but over the course of the video it grew on me. Great work!

Your voice + peaking on 3 tabs = ≈W E I R D≈

@ross2k220

2 жыл бұрын

Nevermind it's trippy sober too lol

I really look forward to playing this game and I just discovered your channel 10 minutes ago. It looks amazing so far!!

Tell João "Tú é demais, mano!". He'll know what it means :) You guys' work keeps astonishing me every time. Keep up the amazing work!

Love the green sky in the forest.

Yup, I already know this is going to be such a great game

This looks so cool I really hope this catches on

The fact you guys can pull this off is mind-blowing

This is looking great! Can't wait for the release

Fuck yeah! Brazil being represented correctly I'm so happy for you João! The game looks amazing, playing it will be so fun!

So basically, hyperbolic space is trippy AF and completely changes all the typical rules for games.

Awesome! Glad to hear the voice of the artist working on this too.

Some games make you feel normal when traveling through portals, this game makes traveling normally feel like traveling in a portal

I love these videos and your channel!

Absolutely incredible. Keep it up!

Gosh, I cannot wait for this to release!

Very interesting way of addressing vertical distortion

Lovefull work guys!

The hyperbolic dining hall area is really unsettling

Oh, man, hyperbolic maze in VR is going to be a wonderful nightmare "Why are you cutting up that paper, folding more paper, and taping it into the cuts?" "I need to make a map where four 90° turns aren't enough to get back to the start"

@julianemery718

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the hypersian rug.

Oh my god! It is so good to actually see another brazilian doing great projects like these ones

modeling is one thing.. but it amazing they can animate and explain this in a simple way so we can understand more easily

The VR looks incredible!

That technique with the versatile texture is amazing!

Epic, these devlogs are nice

Hell yeah this in VR will rock.

these devlogs are fascinating

This is the only game I NEED

Even though I've watched the other devlogs on how non-Euclidean spaces work, seeing it in real time still amaze me by a lot.

Muito bom ver brasileiros ganhando destaque em projetos como esse, ótimo trabalho joão!!!

Parabéns!! Agora os comentários pertencem aos brasileiros. Congrats!! Now this comment section belongs to us Brazilians. (If you dont get it, João, the modeling guy is clearly Brazilian)

Oh my god, I love the idea of using a palette as a UV map. Going to steal that idea

This games just keeps on looking better and better! Looking forward to release!

OMG it's looking great!

1:50 I gasped so fucking hard lmao

This is so state of the art, I love it!

4:31 wtf this is smart af!

That coloring solution is very clever :0

This is definitly a game i will buy and also love while playing. Incredible Stuff you have done there. :D

Continue. Your team is the best 🙌🙌💯

Meu Deus, é um brasileiro modelando pro Hyperbolica?!?!? QUE SURPRESA MARAVILHOSA!

Nicely done Video!

Muito bom, muito informativo, excelente conteúdo.