Chomsky always looks like he's going to a nice family Christmas dinner party.

@diegosam2010

7 жыл бұрын

His sweaters and cardigans always look so warm and comfortable... I wonder where he gets them from lol

@fazbell

7 жыл бұрын

Lands End

@coryfoster9373

6 жыл бұрын

LOL. This is the best comment on this section. I agree :D

@aliisakalma8245

6 жыл бұрын

I'd snuggle him

@multiio1424

6 жыл бұрын

The Pentagon pays for the sweaters.

this pokes one hell of a hole in the theory that market based competition is the leading factor in innovation

@chrisjames1905

8 жыл бұрын

+Bender Rodriguez only people who benefit hugely from the market system, or are brainwashed (by those who hugely benefit from the market system) believe this.

@iridescentsquids

8 жыл бұрын

+Bender Rodriguez well, not the profit motive part.

@groupsounds4896

8 жыл бұрын

Iridescentsquids there are other videos that disprove the profit motive

@iridescentsquids

8 жыл бұрын

+Bender Rodriguez  Curious how that works. Profiting from huge amounts of government funding wasn't a motive for these innovations? saying that "somebody somewhere made an argument..." isn't much help.

@DuEzkerreraKanala

8 жыл бұрын

+Iridescentsquids Did you profit financially from that last comment?

In this respect, NASA should be viewed as just another branch of the military.

@samwelltarly6700

7 жыл бұрын

When they put men on the moon they were part of the propaganda division, when they were putting up GPS satellites they were part of the intelligence division, all that rocket technology is derived from ballistic missiles, all the gear to survive in the vacuum of space from pressurised cabins for flying military aircraft at high altitudes. If it were up to Reagan they would have gone full out and put up space-lasers.

@jacobsaintjames

7 жыл бұрын

Pressurized cabins are fine in the outer atmosphere, but it was the propaganda division that sold us the vacuum of space. And just how do we verify that there are no lasers up where only they can go?

@samwelltarly6700

7 жыл бұрын

Cause I don't think the U.S. could have resisted the temptation of using them by now. But maybe they did, and now Trump is going to blow it by using one to burn a crude tweet into the front lawn of some shit-talking foreign head of state.

@mirmalchik

6 жыл бұрын

There was a real proposal, probably never put into effect, called "Rods from God," which involved inserting meter-long tungsten rods on satellites which could be released from orbit to fall to Earth. The rods would theoretically hit the surface of the Earth with kinetic energy equivalent to the energy released by an atomic bomb. Fun fact!

@jamiemalokas3693

6 жыл бұрын

Ronnie Raygun and The Donald will go down together in history. As the two people most responsible for the ever widening gap between the 'haves and the haves not'. With their tax 'reforms'. The %1ers will always love them dearly for this fact. That must have been one heck of a party when they heard Trump's repeal of the estate tax had become law.

Professor Chomsky analyzes every issue he talks about with critical and analytical thinking so sharp that he's among the most reliable intelectuals. I'm a great fan of him

@calldwnthesky6495

Жыл бұрын

great. do you have something useful to say now?

@lorenzomcnally6629

10 ай бұрын

Marxism sucks socialism sucks Karl Marx was an ass hole. CHUMPsky is an idiot.

@borninvincible

9 ай бұрын

@@calldwnthesky6495speak for yourself.

@Rkenichi

2 ай бұрын

Not really

Every time I listen to Noam, I feel like my eyes are open and I'm glaring at the light! He just opens my mind! Love him!

@microplasticsinurblud

5 жыл бұрын

sina jahadi That’s called brainwashing lol

@ronalddash6520

4 жыл бұрын

@@microplasticsinurblud No, Noam Chomsky helps people open their dimension of Intelligence, which is completely different from the Intellect which can be programmed or brainwashed. Intelligence is a human, spiritual dimension. You need to better your understanding.

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

@@ronalddash6520 , Chomsky is a Linguistics Professor. He has NEVER served in the Military. -NEVER held any affiliated Government or Public Service Position. -NEVER held any other job outside academia, that would give him legitimate insight into what the Military does, or how they do it. He merely cherry-picks facts, and exploits 20/20 Hindsight, in order to support his own preconceived conclusions. In other words, Chomsky has NO IDEA WTF he is talking about here! SMH

@Sleepteiner

4 жыл бұрын

@@mck1972 , what, specifically, is Chomsky wrong about in this clip? Just because he doesn't have some direct connection to the military doesn't mean that his ideas and opinions on this topic are inherently wrong. He is essentially saying two things in this clip. One, the idea that most of our modern conveniences and technologies are simply due the benefits of capitalistic entrepreneurism is at best an oversimplification, and at worse flat out wrong. Two, the reason the American government is putting *this* much money into the military is more for geopolitical power and the stability of the military related industries rather than purely for defence. I don't see how these points are really *that* controversial where you would need insider information from the military to confirm or deny.

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sleepteiner , There is a key difference between merely reciting facts, like Chomsky does here, vs proving what those facts actually prove: The fact that X number of inventions have their origins in Government research does not prove to what extent this has occurred over the years. And the fact that the U.S. spends X dollars on Defense, does NOT prove what the MOTIVES of those who actually work in Defense are.

Nanny state for the rich!

@AliAhmed-dh4pl

6 жыл бұрын

DeuansChannel Bingo! I have always referred to it as white-collar welfare.

@jesseroberts637

6 жыл бұрын

Martin Luther King once said that the United States has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor.

@garethhutchings4045

5 жыл бұрын

Always has been this way. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

@asdfasdf3989

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda a cringe line, but pretty accurate.

Noam seems to be such a GOOD person. You never hear him indulging in off-color humor or anything even slightly weird. He's almost too good to be true. He seems to have lofty ideals that are not rooted in religion but very real, nevertheless.

@hammadsyed79

5 жыл бұрын

Check his views on Israel.

@mickbowe4252

5 жыл бұрын

You imply religion is truth.

@edwardjones2202

4 жыл бұрын

@@hammadsyed79 they follow from his lofty ideals

Always impressed by Noam. Unreal.

@lukegibson9410

4 жыл бұрын

Who knew that a degree in linguistics will teach you about the economy, politics, and the military. Chomsky should be in change since he clearly knows how to solve the problems of all institutions.

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukegibson9410 , Well Stated! It's amazing how smart some people can APPEAR to be, when they spend their lives merely criticizing everyone else!

@ethanmccormick3271

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukegibson9410 appeal to authority is obviously a much weaker argument than Noam would ever put forward

@lukegibson9410

4 жыл бұрын

@@ethanmccormick3271 Right, you wouldn't go to a vascular surgeon for someone who knows about heart surgery. That would be appeal to authority. Just because he is an MD in vascular surgery does not mean he knows about it, its just appeal to authority. Great logic!

@ethanmccormick3271

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukegibson9410 if your mailman told you your house was on fire would you just not believe him because he's not a firefighter? I'm not here to argue use cases for logical fallacies but the point is, argue against Noam's statements rather than ad hominem attacks xx

He's certainly right about Greenspan: stock traders have known for decades that Greenspan didn't know squat.

I love how DARPA is just "the one that does the fancy stuff" to Chomsky

@jikbrosentertainment

3 жыл бұрын

You think you know more than this guy? I’m not tryna treat him as some sort of godly figure, but simply that he is thorough in his research. DARPA is not some covert operation, if it was you wouldn’t know about it.

@waltdill927

Жыл бұрын

The dude's a lucky dude, no doubt.

thanks for sharing MEFblog

There's nothing wrong with the government funding high tech. There's everything wrong with CEOs awarding themselves private salaries for public-funded results.

Very well put, at the end of the day the majority of private investment and entrepreneurial ship that goes on deals in short-term gain of about 10 to 15 years, anything past that is not considered a quick enough return so it doesn’t get invested in, the private sector only comes in after the public purse has done the hard yards in research and development and they build on that, put it in a new shiny package with an extra pricetag on it and sell it back to the very public who paid for the entire foundation of the product, all the while that company taking credit as if it all came from them

@LimeyLassen

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention planned obsolence, they deliberately sabotage their designs to guarantee steady work. It's all ass-backwards.

Date for this entry ? I'm not familiar with the CPE press conference as I suspect many of the viewers here aren't. Dating and sources are almost always helpful, especially if viewers want to do further research. Thanks.

Noam Chomsky speaks the truth

@Adm_Guirk

8 жыл бұрын

A one-sided truth not the ultimate truth.

@jamesnation9889

8 жыл бұрын

I'm curious, how would you define "a one-sided truth"?

@Adm_Guirk

8 жыл бұрын

James Nation It means that seeing truth from only one perspective is not absolute truth and should not be confused as such. In other words a relativistic truth. Think as Einstein did.

@jamesnation9889

8 жыл бұрын

Fascinating. Can you give me an example or two from the Chomsky video in which the professor offers us a truth that is "relativistic"? Thanks in advance.

@Adm_Guirk

8 жыл бұрын

James Nation I will give you a general example that pervades him and his followers comments and that is that wage labor is akin to chattel slavery. That is a bit off the rails in my opinion. I find it very liberating to trade my labor for a medium of exchange that I can invest how ever I want. That is truth to me. Relative to my perspective. I can see the other side too. Sometimes I feel like a slave at work but that isn't a healthy way to look at it. I prefer to empower myself. I also don't think it is healthy to constantly call my own culture and country perverted which I find slightly masochistic.

As far as I understand, his point is that the government is used as a tool to redistribute tax revenue in favour of powerful people and that public subsidies therefore work, but they're being used inadequately

@calldwnthesky6495

Жыл бұрын

no. he's decribing socialism for the rich. that point went over your head? and 7 people thought you made a great comment?? what a joke

@CBT5777

Жыл бұрын

@@calldwnthesky6495 That's what he said in more words.

@calldwnthesky6495

Жыл бұрын

@@CBT5777 please explain this part of the comment then (or how this part relates to the rest of the comment): "public subsidies therefore work but they're being used inadequately". sounds a little stupid and/or unrelated to me

Another Chomsky bullseye. Only brilliant.

Greenspan should be behind bars!

@Isochest

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. But he is one of many courtiers who champion Monopolists.

@joevignolor4u949

5 жыл бұрын

I'd prefer seeing Greenspan stripped of all his wealth and then forced to work at McDonalds for the rest of his life. Let him experience the results of unfettered free market capitalism up close for himself if he loves it so much.

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

UGH-You're all completely detached from reality! SMH

I can listen to him all day long

procurement always a means for subsidizing private industry

@Mdebacle

4 жыл бұрын

As Dick Jones said in RoboCop, "I had a guaranteed military sale with ED-209. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?"

I love this guy, brilliant and lucid as always.

transistors were necessary,beacause tubes shaked and baked lol.

Does anyone have the link to the Alan Greespan article he mentions?

Metal ships = military advance of technology. Computers = military advance of technology. Nuclear technology = military advance of technology. Aeroplanes = not invented by, but tremendously developed by the military. Space flight = NASA may be a civilian agency, but they were highly supported by military interests. There is truth in what Chomsky says.

@iridescentsquids

8 жыл бұрын

Truth to the idea that the MIC heavily influenced innovation? Or truth to the idea that free market capitalists like Greenspan are in denial about it? Different claims.

@evandriscoll

6 жыл бұрын

NASA was forked from (D)ARPA, pretty sure.

@Isochest

5 жыл бұрын

Greenspan is not for a free market and he is not a capitalist. He is a. Courtier of monopolists: A Marxofascist in the true Hegelian sense. Michael Hudson in his book"Killing the Host" mentioned him advocating using techniques to traumatize people to get them to work for less. He is in the game of farming people

For examples from the last 10 years, see drones and VR.

They're extremely misguided at times. But they're extremely misguided together. And that's important.

Where can I see the full conference?

Very interesting. The military and Bell Labs did so many things that we would not have advanced technology without it.

He enlightens people all the time. He knows so much because he was there when it happened. Thanks

What's misunderstood? He outlines two functions which are probably of no surprise to most people: 1) Funding research and tech innovations that have defense implications and potential to enter a broader consumer market (which of course employs a lot people) 2) Beating people up. Who here misunderstood that, or can point to somebody who has?

@tinnedtuna8242

8 жыл бұрын

+Iridescentsquids I think what he's saying is that the extent of the military's role in driving innovation is not, in general, appreciated in popular culture. As such the role of the state sector in advancing technological progress is understated, with an undue emphasis on private sector venturing.

@iridescentsquids

8 жыл бұрын

***** You don't believe it's commonly understood (even by Greenspan!) that military funding plays as significant role in innovation as it does/did?

@riccardo9383

8 жыл бұрын

+Iridescentsquids The market fundamentalism is a cult which devotes itself to denying it, and also denying the protectionism and interventions in the past few centuries which created the gulf between the first and third world.

@iridescentsquids

8 жыл бұрын

Ricardo Ruiz You sound like an ideologue complaining that other people are ideological. No matter how snazzy your views or captivated Chomsky's audience, I'm personally not interested until the evidence carries. And I think it's a mistake for you or anybody else to just believe shit people tell you, even intelligent well-read individuals like Chomsky, without healthy skepticism. I'm not saying you or Chomsky are wrong. Just that you do your views terrible disservice when the so-called evidence provided is nothing but a big fat strawman. If what you say is so obviously true there shouldn't be a need to fabricate evidence like Chomsky appears to have done here. You should be able to find real evidence with little effort and share it.

@iridescentsquids

4 жыл бұрын

verbadum22 verbadum22 I guess that’s why he said “somewhat” misunderstood. Its common knowledge that the pentagon’s expensive toilets or $10,000 bolts aren’t necessary for defense. In my experience very few people fail to acknowledge that in addition to such high profile examples of reallocation, there are both military and economic implications to our enormous defense spending. The particular historic details certain vary in popularity but I think the general understanding is there. Although saying that US military dominance is just an ancillary, truly irrelevant outgrowth of that spending is itself a misunderstanding not many people share. If you believe that you would be the only person I know as I don’t believe that’s what he’s saying-that it doesn’t matter “at all”.

You got power, you use it for a while.- joe jackson

It's always a learning experience for me to listen to this wonderful man.

Interesting points. 'we'll pay for the r&d, you can keep the money you made, but dont forget who owns you'. This is why you never see Zuckerburg break a sweat in congress.

@bobdurham2719

2 жыл бұрын

Zucky is probably a MKUltra mind control victim, with multiple personalitys, which is why he can't by shaken. For more info, read transformation of America by Cathy O'Brien and Mark. It's all in there. Google it.

Chomsky helped to keep my mentally sane in all those years. He is simply spot on on everything !

Great, but where's the rest?

Full lecture??

Absolute 1000% truth. I know this from personal experience, serving in the Marines.

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your Service. But-Even IF everything Chomsky says is true, then the Worse decisions that Chomsky believes our Government has made all these years, whether Defense spending, or any other issue, then the Worse this makes Chomsky himself look, for never getting involved in Policy Making Himself, and-with his superior wisdom-Show he can do better! Instead of spending his whole life merely complaining from the sidelines!

@jphenry3404

9 ай бұрын

​@@mck1972In order to be able to do that, he'd have to be elected and for that he'd have to become part of the complex he so deservedly criticizes. The idea of capable people being able to just "get involved" and enact enormous changes on their own in a system squarely opposed to them is quite frankly naive. And there is a purpose his arguments serve, to try and educate the people who vote and to help them understand and through that indirectly influence policy. Ironically, you're complaining about him "just complaining from the sidelines".

@mck1972

9 ай бұрын

@jphenry3404 , So then Chomsky's solution is to supposedly, ' educate ', misguided people who mistakenly take him seriously about fields that he has NEVER had the guts to actually worked in himself, that he does NOT actually understand himself, and that has NEVER actually changed or influenced any issue in any measurable verifiable way himself, is to just complain from the sidelines? You really don't see how ridiculous that reasoning is? And the difference between Chomsky and myself is that I have actually held elected office, and also Served in the Military, which entailed actual responsibility. So I actually achieved far more in my own life than merely complaining from the sidelines! UNLIKE worthless Armchair Critic Chomsky! :-D

@BuGGyBoBerl

9 ай бұрын

@@mck1972 nonsense. first of all, you dont have to get into politics to make an impact. you can be sure he does a much better job from talks, raising awareness, arguing etc. he would just drown in the political business as he is quite alone. also it doesnt make sense to reduce any form of activism just to getting into politics.

@mck1972

9 ай бұрын

@@BuGGyBoBerl , LOL No what is actually, ' nonsense ', is making pathetic excuses for Chomsky's lifetime of merely complaining from the sidelines, and calling it, ' activism '! When in reality, there is ZERO proof that anything Chomsky has ever done ever impacted any issue facing this country-Ever! Outside Linguistics-Besidez Chomsky making all his millions complaining that is! :-D ;-D :-D So please open your eyes here!

Noam, how do you keep all this data in your memory?

@markcostello236

4 жыл бұрын

@Cody Bryson What are you fucking on about mate

@theblackdeath4398

4 жыл бұрын

@@markcostello236 Anti-theist (specifically anti-Abrahamic) nonsense. He starts by mocking people who don't have a purpose in life and have a lot of innate troubles pleading God or praying to a God for their purpose on life and how they're unworthy (only people that I know of who talk like that are Christians). He then goes on to say how the Abrahamic God made mistakes writing the Testaments which was why he updated them so much and etc. Then dispenses anti-religious and anarchist nonsense. So he's either Troll, a Satanist, or a lunatic. All of them just as bad as the next (maybe not symbolic Satanists).

@theblackdeath4398

4 жыл бұрын

It is no more lunatic than atheism. Do you know what atheists absolutely cannot claim? They cannot say it is objectively true that rape is wrong, they cannot say it is objectively true that love exists, and they cannot say it is objectively true that murder is wrong. This is something even Richard Dawkins admits. Yet most of them abide by some type of moral system-where does this moral system come from? It is not scientifically based. This is where philosophy starts: philosophy begins where science cannot go, and it concerns itself mainly with ethics, morals, existence, consciousness, and reality. While atheists absolutely can't rationalise morals, theists can. The only people safe from any criticism are agnostics.

Military development of technology handed over to the private sector is corporate welfare. The public pays for the development of technology from taxes that is then sold back to us by private business with no dividends for our investment in the development.

YES! KNOWLEDGE!

Does technological advancement scale with military might?

@Mrnoddingdonkey

2 жыл бұрын

It seems pretty likely there is a correlation. See space race.

I'd rather have slower technological progress than have technology optimized for war.

If the military was kept in check, how much more money would be set aside for Social Security? Thanks. Suzanne

@mck1972

Ай бұрын

You do know that the Federal Government already spends Far More on SS than on the Military-Right? You just don't hear Academic Libs like Chomsky, who have never actually worked in Government themselves, talk about that. 😀

No More War

I’m gonna be so sad when he passes

thats some serious vocal fry.

@badmiddens

4 жыл бұрын

well. thanks. now i can't un-hear it. at least a 90 year old man comes by it honestly.

Link to the article?

Can anyone supply some in-depth information about this?

I just wanna know how he keeps his hair so darn shiny? 🤔💞

@asdfasdf3989

4 жыл бұрын

No poo??

@theotherbabies

4 жыл бұрын

Money

Man. He really loves wearing sweaters. Brilliant explanation as usual.

I told my thoughts weren't rational. I'm a believer in worst-case scenarios, no matter how crazy they seem on paper.

Has anyone done the project since?

I wish more people understood this

Whilst of course what Chomsky says is true, it is a bit of a non-argument. This is only a refutation of pretty hardcore libertarianism that takes a view of state spending that without doubt impedes progress for no real reason. I think most people can grasp the idea that a mobile phone, the Internet or transistors, whilst perhaps being acceptable to sell as a private commodity, are infrastructure for private sector innovation. The specifics of the new iPhone or Samsung Galaxy are private sector created, the websites that make up the Internet are largely private sector created and many products that use transistors are private sector created. He is refuting people who whilst they hold authority and I am sure aren't idiots want to win over people in the most simplistic manner possible. He isn't effectively refuting capitalism by saying this however.

@beethovenfan3

4 жыл бұрын

He's answering a question...one question, that's all. Not taking the weight of the world on his shoulders

@stephenowen3383

4 жыл бұрын

@@beethovenfan3 Yes but I know the poing of what he is saying and it isn't really doing anything other than creating a slightly more sophisticated piece of propaganda in favour of his politics. All I said in that response is directly relevant to what he said.

@douglasphillips5870

4 жыл бұрын

I think he's refuting American capitalism. I think you can have a wholly private capitalism, but in America the tax payers are footing the bill for a large part of the r+d without access to the profits.

@stephenowen3383

4 жыл бұрын

@@douglasphillips5870 He is an anarchist. He wants an end to capitalism. That will always be the point of pronouncements like this.

@stephenowen3383

4 жыл бұрын

@@anahata3478 read what I said. A huge amount of what is actually on the Internet has nothing to do with the state, besides the Internet itself. What makes it so useful is largely private sector innovation after the fact.

Listening to radiolab they told the story of coca cola who I had always assumed spanned the globe due to their great taste and infectious branding. They argued it was in fact due to govt subsidies - to keep up the morale of American soldier across the world they gave coke money to insure that soldiers could have "a taste of home" no matter how far away they were - this created an infrastructure which made them one of the largest international corporations in the world.

@waltdill927

Жыл бұрын

They also invented the modern Santa ... Ho Ho Ho

he is not a communist he is an anarcho-syndicalist.

Once you read Chomsky and figure out how power works you've pretty much how things are run on this rock, all the rest is secondary.

@mck1972

Жыл бұрын

Relying on Noam Chomsky to really understand, ' how power works ', is like relying on biased sports statistician to really understand how to play or coach for an NFL team! :-D

So I appreciate a lot of the nuances here... but one burning question I have is whether the Pentagon really set out "trying to bring about the next phase of the economy". I'm not as tied to the military-industrial complex as Chomsky is, but nothing I've read has indicated that the Pentagon has over-arching aims to manage the economy at such a high level. A lot of what the Pentagon seems to accomplish is by accident: after all of the trillions of dollars wasted on things like Reagan's missile defense system, or Raytheon's weather balloon monitoring systems (alternately for missile defense and more recently as an anti-terrorism measure) etc etc you'd think that there would be some successes if only by accident. Maybe I'm wrong and some enlightened commenter here can point me to such a document outlining the Pentagon's intention to alter America's economic landscape via techonologies like the internet. Somehow I doubt such a long-term plan exists in an institution that's produced such wonderful planning documents as "How to prevent the entire country of Iraq from descending into anarchy and looting one month after invasion"

@americanexpat8792

4 жыл бұрын

The short answer to that question is a resounding ‘Yes’. In my book, “Winning the Race among Nations for Economic Superiority” I have an entire chapter on “How the US Military Created the Computer Industry”. It’s a fascinating history. In short, DAPRA was created in the last 50’s when the US was caught off guard with the launch of Sputnik. It’s hard to underestimate the profound impact that had on the US. DAPRA was chartered with funding and driving all technologies needed for the US military to rein superior since the military has long recognized that a modern military must be on the cutting edge technologically. The net effect has been that DAPRA has funded virtually all aspects of the computer revolution - GPS, Internet, computer architecture, operating systems, pinch and zoon, etc. In fact, the iPhone is really just an assembly of technologies that the US government initially funded. Marianna Mazzucato wrote an entire book on that topic.

Given x amount of years the archetypes to tend to emerge .

We still have Tariq Ali

He always offers a brillant reinterpretation of conventional wisdom - and while there is a lot of truth to his interpretations - that are not 100% complete, neat and clean as he would like to think.

Damn you US military for inventing the internet!

@GB3770

9 жыл бұрын

b- dubz It is a perfectly fine approximation to say that the US military invented the internet...I also understand the points you are making even if you are splitting hairs....

@o.s.3162

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting this. For years I have heard that the internet is a capitalist invention, but this is the first time I had ever seen credit given to the US military. Both of which are false.

@campbelljacable

8 жыл бұрын

+The Solmanian i thought it were tim berners lee?

@eldadmaster

8 жыл бұрын

Jack Campbell You're familiar with Einstein's saying about standing on the shoulders of giants?

@campbelljacable

8 жыл бұрын

+The Solmanian in which case none of it would have been possible without charles babbage or the jacquard loom, thats like saying the dude who created the first wheel built the bugatti veyron

CPE? and what date?

A very elucidating talk by the honored Professor

Two major forces are fighting for control over the populace: Corporatism (plutocracy and oligarchy) and Government. In the age of modernity, we are seeing these two forces merge, and they are becoming harder to differentiate. Now I know that this has been the case since the dawn of civilization, but I think that today we are seeing a historical change in this paradigm of two forces hellbent on controlling and dominating the World's people and resources. Humanity has been fighting one another like beast of the field for territory and resources. In this vicious struggle of survival, the most vicious and deadliest predator wins. That is not to say this method is the only way to live on this earth-I personally wish that we live up to our potential to be kind and gentle intelligent creatures-but the reality of the day is that we are not that. We are an evolving intelligent being. Only recently have we stepped out of the jungle and into cities. Although we are immature adolescents struggling to conquer our morality, time may not be on our side. Like the oldest child of a poor family, we may have to mature before our time. If we fuck up, there is no one to catch us when we fall. And when we fall, our fall will be great.

@GB3770

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's called Fascism - I think America got that when Kennedy was assassinated...

@MrAdriaxe

9 жыл бұрын

GB3770 America was more fascist before Kennedy than since. The civil rights movement and globalization eroded fascism somewhat.

@MarkStouffer

9 жыл бұрын

The choice between socialism and fascism is a false alternative. It's like saying we have to choose between Democrats or Republicans. Rule by government bureaucrats or rule by government backed monopolies. The real choice is do we want the government to control our decisions, and pretend that we control them through a once-every-four-years ballot? Or do we want to choose for ourselves through a process of voluntary agreement, with the government operating simply to protect our most fundamental rights? The more that we use government to tell us what kind of food to eat and what size soda to drink, the more we undermine their most original objective of protecting our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

@MrAdriaxe

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Stouffer that all depends on how you define socialism, how efficiently the administration operates, and the level of involvement and influence of the public. I describe Denmark as a socialist country, but it is very different from other countries that I would also describe as socialist.

@jasonlangford2452

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Stouffer So instead, we get Monsanto deciding what kind of food we eat, we get the six companies that own nearly all media outlets in this country filtering our news, we have our jobs outsourced even when it doesn't make sense from a financial perspective ( often transport costs, poor quality control and turnaround times offset the benefits, but stocks still go up on the announcement that a company is outsourcing no matter how poor the actual business case for it is.) It isn't like getting rid of government will magically restore our freedoms, it will just put the 50 or so billionaires that own a majority of our economy, mostly the same people who lobby congress to pass poor legislation in the first place, in charge. Either representative government works or it doesn't, if we can't get the government to act in an honest and competent manner, neither can we hope to actually get our freedoms restored. In what way have the republicans in congress made us more free today than we were 20 years ago?

NC has been at MIT for 60 years? How old is this old codger? The military is the driver of our technology, that is a very very important thing for all Americans to understand. It makes the chasm between Left and Right almost trivial because there is not free market, except a kind of Disneyland of illusions about a totally manipulated system of technology. While everyone is arguing about capitalism and socialism we have what is basically economic totalitarianism that looks capitalist around the edges. The basic work of the US is defense, and offense. That is what is important, and do what really needs to be done is not to change the system per se, but to define and demand public sector rights - and do not pretend to screw with the defense department. I don't think people of the government think that we need to defend ourselves, but what we do need is a social system that works in all circumstances, and the basic circumstance of the human condition has been conflict and war - so what do we have in our country ... we have an economy driven by technical innovation in conflict and war. Then under that we have a sort of free market where certain connected people can exercise their creativity to create and sell products ... IF, those product cans be afforded by an increasingly larger population of workers that have less and less disposable income. This is done through massive coordination and cheap mass production. Also this allows the watching over of our population as well.

@justgivemethetruth

8 жыл бұрын

+Frisbieinstein He's only 86 since he has not had his December birthday yet.

@hinteregions

7 жыл бұрын

The military is an obsession, not the driver, of your technology.

Revolution of military affairs (RMA)

Watching Chomsky on RT - very interesting programme highlighting the evils of Neo-liberalism

Always interesting - but I always wonder where he is heading. Sure fundamental innovation is government lead. And? Sure institutions exercise power. And? Sure there are people who have power. And? What is actually the alternative? Sure America is the current world superpower, wasn’t so 150 years ago. And? As Churchill said: democracy is the worst form of government, except for all others.

@mickbowe4252

5 жыл бұрын

Quoting Churchill...idiot

All those "free enterprise" intellectual adolescents can hear this and hopefully be inspired to read Marx.

@mck1972

9 ай бұрын

You mean as opposed to self-described, ' anarcho-syndicalist ', Chomsky, who actually made Every Penny of his own Multi-Million Dollar Fortune from Capitalism! 😀😀😀

This place is exactly what we make it plus loads of autonomous beauty. Come on, no wonder we are stupid, we are such a young species ;) And never worry about death, he can be trusted to look after you in due time.

where does he get his information from?

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

Good question. Another good question is: Even If Chomsky's facts & figures are accurate in & of themselves, how can we be sure h is representing the entire issue accurately, given that he has never served in the Military, nor worked in Defense, nor has any background in Auditing, whatsoever!

@mck1972

4 жыл бұрын

@Jack , Nobody said Chomsky, ' lied ', But-EVEN IF EVERY FACT Chomsky recites is true, there is a still a big difference between merely reciting facts, vs establishing what those facts actually prove-Or the underlying motives behind them-A big difference that Chomsky has ZERO grasp of!

Nanny state for rich Protect interest of rich Thats what military do

#ResistCapitalism AnCaps incoming!

@riccardo9383

8 жыл бұрын

What is a "ancap"? Is it a new social media based on some dogma about protecting the rich while remaining powerless?

@HeldDerNamenslosen

8 жыл бұрын

anarcho capitalists...

@riccardo9383

8 жыл бұрын

HeldDerNamenslosen You missed it by a mile, didn't ya?

@HeldDerNamenslosen

8 жыл бұрын

Ricardo Ruiz Yeah I did. ^^ Re-reading helped... ;)

How is being a linguistics professor at MIT give you superior insight into what is misunderstood about the military?

I always wondered why it was too good to be true that everything about the society is disgustingly backwards and empty, but you get the power to simulate the universe in the palm of your hand for little cost. Simulate everything except conveniently none of the basic needs.

The older he gets, the more he looks like my grandma.

This guy is not as smart as he thinks.

@mck1972

Жыл бұрын

NOBODY is as smart as Chomsky THINKS he is! 😀

@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs

7 ай бұрын

he is literally one of the most cited academics of all time and one of the founders of cognitive science

@mck1972

Ай бұрын

@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs , Which ONLY proves that he has skill in the ONE field of Linguistics, and the ability to recite accurate past data about other fields-Nothing Else! 😀

@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs

Ай бұрын

@@mck1972 actually most of his cited works are on topics like the media, politics, Israel/Palestine etc not linguistics. Look, if you disagree with Chomsky and want to argue against some specific point he's making I don't take issue with that. Arguing he's in general a stupid person is just silly and can't be taken seriously

@mck1972

Ай бұрын

@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs , LOL No you're missing the point: I never said that Chomsky is, ' stupid '. But just because Chomsky is, ' cited ', does NOT mean he actually understands that topic! So if Chomsky simply memorizes last season's pro football stats to the point that others, ' cite ', him as a source for that data, then does that make Chomsky qualified to actually play or coach for an NFL team??? See how ridiculous that reasoning is??? 😀

ok that was nice

He is always interesting to listen to. One thing I wonder about is that he says we have 1000 military bases. I thought it was 700 or so. What constitutes a "base"?

@Z06Ronald

6 жыл бұрын

It depends. See the "The Lily-Pad Strategy" in the following link. www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175568/ See also "Lost count": www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175338/nick_turse_empire_of_bases_2.0

@roberthertz6634

4 жыл бұрын

Milatary PRESENT.

Airplanes are not modified bombers. That is silly. The airplane predated the bomber by about 15 years.

@jd35711

6 жыл бұрын

brownj2 He was referring to large commercial aircraft such as the 737 and 747, not all flying machines. Obviously the aircraft itself predated any particular subset thereof (other than the Wright Brothers' initial prototype, which I'm fairly certain Chomsky is aware wasn't a bomber).

This is such a nonsensical argument. The main problem I see is that the United States didn't have a permanent military force of any real size or budget until 1941. How did all the innovation occur before that date if the military's money is so critical to it?

@jebediahkrimsoncraftleding3012

8 жыл бұрын

+BulletRain100 Good point. Though he did specifically talk about hi-tech advancements, and remember that he's not discussing free-market-spawned advances so much as what much of the military's (Pentagon's, really) funding goes towards.

@DrCruel

8 жыл бұрын

+Jebediah Krimsoncraftleding: Chomsky knows very little about how military research and procurement works. It's mostly innovation in the consumer market that's driven military innovation, not the other way around. Else the CSSCS and DIVAD programs wouldn't have been such disasters.

@Dylan-ge6dn

8 жыл бұрын

+BulletRain100 Abraham Lincoln funded northern industry and railroads via the state.. before that everything was also funded by the state, if you consider right after independence the first thing we did was cut off all outside markets via tariffs which were impossibly high and then we funded our own textiles and cotton etc etc via - you guessed it - THE STATE the pattern is the same since about 1500.. the state pays for everything and makes all the innovations, then all profits are privatized.. you are owned

@Dylan-ge6dn

8 жыл бұрын

+DrCruel address the comment above for basic history lesson

@DrCruel

8 жыл бұрын

Dylan Whitney I already have. And after the US Civil War, the nexus of world cotton output moved from the southern US to Egypt. The economy of the American South was crippled for decades afterward. What you're talking about is the rise of the textile industry in the northern US, which was driven by the rise of privately funded mills. It was privately owned and run textile manufacturing firms, and not raw material production or federal trade controls, that would make the US textile industry rich. Now make a few more stupid comments, add some arrogant bluster, declare victory and crawl off.

I'd invest and use it to take control of the country. Cause that's what every sensible and rich person would do when there's anarchy.

It points to the fact that we don't need bullets for technical innovation. We have the brains to solve the problems of war using technology imagine if technology was used to benifit everyone and stop all wars. Most wars are resources based give everyone renewable resources through innovation and more innovation would be created. Furthermore developing mankind, we develop to a point and then fight ever decreasing humanity's chance of survival go figure

Who cares ? 9/11, who cares ? JFK, who cares ? Thus spaketh Norm .

@MrAdriaxe

9 жыл бұрын

Chomsky clearly said that it was extremely unlikely that the govt was involved in 9/11, but even if it was involved we can't prove it so who cares? He's been fighting the govt for decades and is used to far worse atrocities than 9/11 being swept under the carpet, that's why he has no time for a conspiracy theory based on very little evidence and that defies logic. Why waste time and energy on that when there are provable outrages happening constantly that we can actually get traction fighting against. As for JFK - he was killed over 50 years ago, there's no chance of proving who conspired at this point. Chomsky won't lose any sleep over JFK, he considers him a war criminal.

@MrAdriaxe

9 жыл бұрын

Charlie McTruth that's a ludicrous comparison.

@kentallard8852

7 жыл бұрын

Charlie McTruth requires everyone to be in total lockstep agreement with him. If someone has one different opinion this means they are part of a vast cabal conspiracy, it also triggers Charlie and his mom has to lock him in a hug box until he can calm down.

@flednanders7556

7 жыл бұрын

KentAllard The latter part of what you've said is almost comically demonstrative of the flaw you see in Chomsky. He disagrees with you obviously, therefore he is "triggered" and a mama's boy (p.s. his mother is long gone) It's not as easy as you think to react impartially to those who oppose you.

@mirmalchik

6 жыл бұрын

pls tell me how to make a "hug box" and if they can be 3d printed en masse to solve the US's severe emotional issues...

It sounds like he is saying that technological advancement cannot happen unless it is funded by the state. This should be called "The Case for Fascism".

@rkankare

10 жыл бұрын

no, he was explaining the system that was used in the 60s and 70s (and today, although he did not go into details concerning that)

@MarkStouffer

10 жыл бұрын

State control of industry and innovation. That is usually called corporatism or fascism, not "the system that was in use in the 60s and 70s (and today, but we don't talk about that.)" Just call it what it is. Name the devil.

@rkankare

10 жыл бұрын

nobody cares what you call state control. What you claimed was that Chomsky: "It sounds like he is saying that technological advancement cannot happen unless" This is in fact NOT what he is himself claiming in the video

@MarkStouffer

10 жыл бұрын

He gives examples of how "everyone one of the so-called entrepreneurial initiatives" "came straight out of the state sector". He says this happened in all but one example of great achievements of the time, and that one was initiated at the directive of the state. So HE IS SAYING that no great innovations came out of the private sector of its own accord, and by not giving a reason why, he is saying that they could not have happened without government direction. But I suppose you will just deny that that is what he is saying, again, without any further explanation, again.

@rkankare

10 жыл бұрын

Mark Stouffer He said all of that EXCEPT the absolute "great innovations came out of the private sector of its own accord". The world is not black-and-white with only absolutes

Actually, the .gov, which funds the military, uses the military to fund quite a few things. So, follow the money. There are a couple of steps that happen before the military get it. To start with, the military doesn't collect taxes. Nos does it do the budget to allocate those monies.

AT&T Bell Labs also invented Unix.

correct but then theyll claim that whatever that tech was coudlve been developed in the private sector. which it couldnt have because the costs wouldve been too great for any one capitalist and the capitalist class forever forces people to pay for their lifestyles. its also predicated on the impossible idea of the separation between the state and capitalist industry. the capitalists would never allow that because their power over the working class would be impossible without state power

Sources, please.

closer to about a trillion i bet

Right on. Imagine the world without stealth bombers and submarines carrying nuclear warheads, perish the thought.

The military has a use for the byproducts of Nucluar Reactors, not so much from Solar or Wind power.

OK so...the military funded Bell Labs and DARPA, which gave us transistors, computers and the internet. What's the problem?

@quantum013

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's great. In fact, I want more military funded technology in the hope that I can see the next computer or internet in my lifetime. That includes technology developed in Russia and China, which pose no threat to the US as long as the US respects them as legitimate sovereign powers.

@jessesnyder5426

4 жыл бұрын

He's a blabber mouth nutcase

The weapon industry in the USA is owned by shareholders from abroad.

@Mrnoddingdonkey

2 жыл бұрын

That’s capitalism

Anyone else have to listen to chomsky in 1.25 speed?

The adulation for Chomsky in the comments is hilarious 😂

I practically live in the internet yet I can't find the damn article 😒

@gkri4961

7 жыл бұрын

chomsky.info/199805__-2/

I rest my case

And it's people like this that should be kept away from all weapons, ballistic or otherwise.