Americans are misinformed on what socialism really is. They think it's either, a) social welfare programs inside of a Capitalist system (Capitalism's 'Band-Aids', or b) the Soviet model where the State owns and controls all, or most, of the means of production. Most socialists would define it simply as 'the collective and/or worker ownership of the MoP' but that definition has been buried under a century-long blizzard of Capitalist propaganda. We have to dig it out.

@halflifeger4179

5 жыл бұрын

monte68x "socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Carl Marks

@65minimom

5 жыл бұрын

monte68x - We do need to educate our population on types of government - this arguing for a working definition of socialism is exhausting & time-wasting because there is one - but it won't work here, now. Instead, study Denmark, Bernie references this as example of democratic socialism. I suggest that everyone read the The Green New Deal" It is an excellent Green Party platform that addresses the needs of our country now & could be implemented relatively quickly because all we have to do is look back & modify: . FDR + single payer + renewable energy.

@halflifeger4179

5 жыл бұрын

Sandy Denmark is NOT democratic socialism, it's social democracy which is a lot less good.

@RootinrPootine

5 жыл бұрын

monte68x Yes, sir, this is a very accurate statement. But I think the propaganda is more fragile than it may appear at the moment.

@HypermarketCommodity

5 жыл бұрын

@monte68x thank you for the definition of state capitalism... Im not purely against it, but this is not communism and only to a small degree "socialist" (in the broadniss this umbrella it provides)

I agree, Bernie is an FDR democrat

Bernie Sanders and Eisenhower in the same sentence. Damn this country has gone too far to the right.

There is in America socialism; for the rich...

@HypermarketCommodity

5 жыл бұрын

@@JaneChristensen. there must be samething to be hijacked, to quote Him "its just the way the system functions". I would call our system Plutocracy (i know there is space for debate to what degree) But alone on the fact that money is power and the massive inequality that capitalism produces makes true democracy impossible...

@kevinmichael9482

5 жыл бұрын

Bingo! You hit the ball out-of-the park with this one.

@HypermarketCommodity

5 жыл бұрын

@M A yeah but even a Bernie Sanders will only midiget, the so called class struggle. The rationale acting of the actors in the system will produce the same rationale outcome. A real solution looks diffrent.

@HypermarketCommodity

5 жыл бұрын

@@JaneChristensen. personally speaking i think that the political conditions are determined by the economic conditions. So that change can come only when the economic conditions changes... But like defenders of representative democracy like to say "the system shields the rights of the minority against the majority " a good lesson in double talk i might add. But the same goes for the (hate to use this term) liberal world order, the interlinked economic conditions lead to the condition that all economies are not standing alone but need one enother. So that no state can create the means of war necessarily because the problem that the capital flight and the interlinked status make them unable to inact economic reforms on any scale that would change the economy and there for the political conditions.

@HypermarketCommodity

5 жыл бұрын

@@JaneChristensen. not in a interlinked market since the financial capital would be wandering away while the marked will increase the instalments and that cripples the state. No bòth are to interlinked and there for impossible to change without the one or the other staying in the way. A doubling of americas instalment rate for example would bankrupt america one or the other way. One reason why the soviet Union was so outside on the political field was there insistence that they do not need to pay the "Imperial russia dept".

This point is SO important and cannot be understated.

Eugene V Debs was a real Socialist. You're no Gene Debs, Senator Sanders.

@BlakeBjornstad1

5 жыл бұрын

staatsfeindlich that’s why he actually has a chance of winning...

@staatsfeindlich9939

5 жыл бұрын

@@BlakeBjornstad1 Then he should just call himself a Democrat and not muddy the water. HRC had a chance of winning too. BFD

@BlakeBjornstad1

5 жыл бұрын

staatsfeindlich it says a bit about the depth of politics that you can’t differentiate between a democratic socialist and a socialist. Political terminology isn’t always exactly clear but the distinction seems pretty obvious. How is he muddying the water? There’s no real socialists within a million light years from actual power or mass public view. He has a ton cache/influence by staying outside the party. It’s worked extremely well for him so far. Bernie/Hilary = no comparison

@BlakeBjornstad1

5 жыл бұрын

Jane Christensen ?

@staatsfeindlich9939

5 жыл бұрын

@@BlakeBjornstad1 Social democracy was never really considered to be Socialist in Europe in Rosa Luxemburg's time and that's still true today. Americans muddy the water in naming a faction of the Democratic Party "Socialist." The Soviet Union called itself "Socialist" which was great propaganda. So did the Nazis. To most Americans anything the government controls is "Socialist." If it's accurate to define Socialism as basically workers control of production then we must call for the destruction of the Capitalist system starting with the nationalization of vital resources and services. Then we can add to that by denouncing imperialism, a by-product of Capitalism. Eugene Debs wasn't shy about it and didn't stutter which landed him in prison. Bernie says no such thing. Not even a hint. He's like all social democrats or Democratic "Socialists" or whatever name sounds good for a campaign button but at the end of the day they believe Capitalism can be reformed and made kinder and gentler and think putting a banaid on a cancerous legion will be good enough. Sure, I'd vote for Bernie and never for HRC or the Orange Freak but I'll never confuse him with Debs or social democracy with real Socialism. Meanwhile Capitalism continues it's exploitation of the global South.

so many comments on a sound bite.. watch the source of this clip; some redundant facts but there's more to it. I find that a Chomsky conference holds better when done in a foreign country (needless to say).

Absolutely NOIOOOOOOOOOO

Would it kill the people who manage this channel to either fix the quality of the audio on these videos before posting or turn the volume up? You know that Chomsky mumbles like a drunk and doesn't enunciate anything, so throw us a bone please!

Most can see the damages caused by this oppressive system. Our economic system is a blending of capitalism / socialism/ communism! The largest employer is the Government!!!!

@kevinwilkes1963

5 жыл бұрын

Rich Bright How do you blend capitalism & communism? You don’t. They’re diametrically opposed. We live under a corporate plutocracy which is unfettered capitalism not democracy or communism.

@richbright540

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinwilkes1963 both systems define humanity as economic units. Generally speaking both systems recognize the power of the state to direct and control of the people of the state. In both systems the state holds the right to makes laws, to enforce those laws, and to tax the people to fund themselves.

Normal working class people should embrace socialism and totally reject neoliberalism. I mean we’ve had 40 years of neoliberalism and look where it’s got us. It’s only benefited the super rich and the big corporations, while the working class have been exploited and plunged further and further into debt and poverty. The reason the French and other countries are kicking off in the West is the fact that they’re rejecting neoliberalism and have woken up to the fact that is them who are being fucked over by a greedy right wing ideology. Macron in France is a centrist, which basically means he’s a neoliberal capitalist loving bastard. We’re waking up to it here in the U.K. and the protests are slowly gaining momentum.

One dizzy chick

Yes but only if it is a socialism with a human face. I think that USSR (now Russia) would have won global recognition with the RIGHT people in power. Not totalitarian governments as they always have after the 1917 Russia’s revolutions but governments of the people, for the people. The so called ‘democracies’ are most difficult because everyone has different ideas and often nearly impossible to rule. Only a fair and normal decent and moral LAWS can (in my opinion) make a difference between success and failures.

@65minimom

5 жыл бұрын

Toby Rescue - no, USSR was never a socialist country, it was fascism similar to USA now.

@paulheinzkill5936

5 жыл бұрын

Every government will become one controlled by the few. This is exactly why Bakunin split with Marx.

What is with all this "socialism" why not help to dismantle the now corporate governance and then see how things go from there.

@Breakbeat90s

5 жыл бұрын

perhaps lead us into civil war with unnecessary killings to reestablish the current power dynamics

@markmacdonald7955

5 жыл бұрын

Socialism has lots of meanings, but in the US it's an inflammatory word and we don't even discuss it. Look up some of Chomksy's older speeches to get a better understanding of socialism and how it relates to dismantling capitalism etc

@blackflagsnroses6013

5 жыл бұрын

Janette Shultz Chomsky is here referring to Libertarian Socialism (Anarchism). Not the Cold War propaganda variant, or “the government does things!”

@janetteshultz4113

5 жыл бұрын

@@blackflagsnroses6013 Sorry apparently I am far too uneducated to even grasp what this all knowing grumbling asshat is say. Sorry I am not impressed by "his wisdom."

@hangerq5735

5 жыл бұрын

It is about what other civilized countries like Denmark and others who have , for its people ,healthcare that doesn’t make you go bankrupt when you are sick, college education without going broke and the never ending debt, higher wages , child care for all ,excellent transit systems , must I go on...how to they do it ..Taxes. ..how do we in America get it done ..tax breaks for the wealthy , more taxes but not much in return besides more debt and endless wars and a wonderful corrupt corporate political system. 🤪

Problem with socialism is that people will get lazier with time, as there isn't any real need to work hard, you get paid the same anyway. This will either lead to collapse of a system or the need for some work-harder-police (in USSR at some point police was raiding cinemas during work hours to check if people are skipping work). As how hard are you working is hard to measure or enforce system will be abused a lot like any subjective systems (e.g. soviet union or in europe during inquisition). Capitalism has many problem but it is the least-worst system to do natural selection and get rid of lazy people. More problems: - there are always some limited resources so not everybody can get some - there are always jobs nobody wants to do - when you aren't responsible for your own life you grow up to be a slave (might be one reason lots of elites are pushing for socialism as people will be easier to control).

@paulheinzkill5936

5 жыл бұрын

How do you know this? Please, let me see some evidence.

@theokinsella4144

5 жыл бұрын

Socialism is not made for lazy people. Socialism is made for workers (people who work). Do you think people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates work more than gold miners in Tanzania narrowly escaping death each day from unsafe working conditions? I do not like seeing this false claim that socialism is made for lazy people because it shuts down much discussion about real problems people are facing all around the world.

@PavelKrupets

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulheinzkill5936 One example is USSR which started quite well and lots of people volunteered and went to build factores and make new agriculture land. After some time more and more people stopped caring about their work (lots of reasons here, some because somebody has to be assigned to do job nobody wants to do, some because there is no point working harder, some were forced out as they were spoiling the general perception of what can be done by working harder than others and making them look bad). Last point happens everywhere but in free marked those people can go and start their new business and outcompete lazy morons in their old job or at least make more $. In social system everything is be-average. Another example is what happened in countries where socialist system collapsed and people were left to tend and think for themselves. Lots now want back to slavery. Also by logical reasoning and comparison with other biological systems. We evolved to conserve energy if we don't have to spend it to survive. In case you need it later. Lots of so called left elite live in HOAs (poor folks couldn't as you have to pay monthly) or places with higher than average real estate prices so they have rose-glasses when they talk about humankind in general. This is no different from previous lefties like Lenin who had $ and spend their time thinking about some utopias which ended in bloodbath and huge tradegy wich will have effect for a long time. Anyway asia seem to be moving away from this hippy-social crap and we will see who will outcompete who. People from western countries who can do stuff are already starting moving to asia.

@PavelKrupets

5 жыл бұрын

@@theokinsella4144 you are mixing stuff here. People can work in bad conditions in mines even in socialism. Like I said there are always jobs nobody wants to do and if technology isn't available to make it much safer or it is too expensive compared to other countries you won't make any money regardless of system you use and somebody has to do it... Bezos and Gates did create successful companies. Nobody wants to be at the initial stage of the company where you might fail or you might not have stable income but everybody wants to share fruits of the labor (they didn't do) if company is successful. This shit led to bloodshed in Russia for multiple generations (people with $ will escape). Want another lesson? Be my guest. Last point. You can work very hard but to no avail. Either by duplicating somebodys effort or by doing something nobody needs or by doing it badly.

@paulheinzkill5936

5 жыл бұрын

@@PavelKrupets socialism, as is in the argument of this video, is being understood as worker control over production. That never happened in the USSR. In fact one of Lenin's first moves was to take power away from worker's organization. So honestly I can't accept your argument. As for your logic, I completely disagree. As someone who has gained greater autonomy in my life for work, I would say I am a far better worker than I ever was before. There are many reasons to this, but mostly it is because I don't have authority standing over me telling me how high to jump. That is something you have in our very own society, and am sure it was the case in the Soviet society. Probably to an even greater degree.

Not without a miracle. Ne o4akvaite ot men. prust ne pomrudvam.