after 120 years or so of spitting his knowledge, someone finally pushed the mic closer to mr Chomsky.....God bless him

@dwaynesbadchemicals

5 ай бұрын

Lol

@BraniG-psyc03

3 ай бұрын

Very handsome gentleman 😊

I will be forever grateful to Chomsky for enlightening me about how the world works. I was told lies at school and university.

@silverfoot6079

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's wild that more Conservatives aren't in support of Socialism. I mean, they claim to care about the working class, but can't seem to understand that Socialism is the only political idea that cares about the working man. This idea, though, is ignored by most schools and we are taught the opposite.

@alexrichter1362

2 жыл бұрын

What western school did you go to in which this lecture would be regarded as wrong?

@castillogrande8926

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverfoot6079 what people claim to be and believe, especially in the case of conservatives, are often at odds with what they actually do. The famous quote is "the road to hell is pathed with good intentions" but we often forget the second part which is "the road to heaven is pathed with good actions." So instead of taking people at their word as to what they believe, instead look at the actions they take.

@Theroadneverending

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically I was liberated at school

@mryellow4633

2 жыл бұрын

@@castillogrande8926 I have never heard the second part of that :O and have been saying the first for years since hearing it from an Alan Watts lecture. Thank you for the second as I've been greatly needing to have sincere action in my life.

Why does someone have to be in charge to get things done? Chomsky essentially states, "Accept responsibility for your own self; don't wait for an authority to tell what to do." Makes sense to me.

@xw213xlastname8

7 жыл бұрын

Hm? Where does he say that? That would be the outcome of libertarian socialism. If you were to accept this statement of yours as a stance in these state of affairs nothing would really change.

@socialismsucks579

6 жыл бұрын

Thats pretty much the christian ethos. If you want order and peace, start with you, then your family. Not by demanding change from other individuals.

@susanreed666

5 жыл бұрын

You need to read Jean Jacques Rousseau.

@alrhayul5536

5 жыл бұрын

@@socialismsucks579 It's the complete opposite in meaning.

@MrChechin001

4 жыл бұрын

@@socialismsucks579 thats not true

I feel that most Americans could understand this video with effort. I also feel most Americans would like this guy when fully explained. THE PROBLEM is that the unsophisticated types as well as everybody else, IMO, are just going to fast to sit down and grasp these concepts. 50 years ago when I was a kid, things were slower and I always thought people would think things thru because they had enough time and interest. They did not allow themselves to be so caught up in consumerism and manufactured consent in those days. These days, I feel most of are interested in what has happened but can"t seem to find an approach for learning and change because the world is spinning so fast, AND, we have too much overhead, stuff and stress. Dump a bunch of the above and we can figure out some better ways to go but it won't happen when are tongues are hanging out like they are now.

@TheXitone

8 жыл бұрын

+Instramark i know what youre saying but the kids aint daft dont write em off.

@babybeater12

8 жыл бұрын

+Instramark There are plenty of young people watching Chomsky and working to bring the revolution

@Instramark

8 жыл бұрын

+Logan Edwards Really? I am no ultimate authority on what the thinking young person actually is these days. I am 60 years old and will gladly admit that young people seem to have more respect for geezers like me than my peer group did way back when. But, I am a professional musician, adjunct college instructor and a competitive cyclist, which brings me into a lot of contact with today's youth, especially the cycling. Most all of them are in the biggest hurry to get married, have kids, buy a house, make car payments amidst a giant anchor of an essentially non-payable school loan for a job they may never get or just may be shipped overseas forever. And, which amazes me, they seem cheerful about it. Only 6 years of home ownership and a corporate job turned my thinking into all that as not the dream, but the nightmare of manufactured consent. This is why bringing back the military draft could be a good idea. If the young people had to face, with no choice, another disastrous farce and lie, Vietnam, then some real questioning could come about again. Not just trendy You Tube channels. Unfortunately, the baby boomers that brought so much great change, seem to have sold out big time and left their children and grand children to some whole other thing. What bothers me most, is the school loan. It is crippling these kids.

@sheepwshotguns42

8 жыл бұрын

Chomsky himself talks about the crowds that now form when he speaks. He was not given much attention 25 years ago and beyond only speaking to a few individuals at a time. He said he was so thoroughly dismissed he had to playcate to crowds with softer steps into reality. Now he feels free to speak more directly without hesitation.

@grouchypus

5 жыл бұрын

elaborate drcruel

I think anarchism can be a noble idea, but under-educated and under-informed current majority population would get so lost and so disfunctional to lead the society. Before we can dream of such society, the larger number of citizens needs to be better educated. Yet, as most of us already aware, the public education is, by design, to leave the majority of the workers (or citizens) obedient and confused. Therefore under the current educational system, we cannot expect anarchism to be successful.

@nomad9338

4 жыл бұрын

That's true. Mass ignorance is manufactured by the ruling class through the education system, massive advertising propaganda and media filters. They use it as a weapon to stupidify the general population because they know a truly educated public that understands how power dynamics work is a threat to them.

@shadow_of_thoth

4 жыл бұрын

It is actually a good thing, then, that capitalist competition in the job market is driving young people to seek higher education more and more. They are already bitter about the need to take out such large student loans (rightfully so). At this rate, it wouldn't surprise me if a second enlightenment period began within the next quarter-century, and surely, it would be anti-capitalist in nature, given our current socio-economic context. Chomsky would no doubt be remembered as the beginning of a philosophical movement.

@aletheiaverite

4 жыл бұрын

@@shadow_of_thoth I believe that the drive towards education isn't focused on fields like philosophy or any sort of critical thinking. The money is in business, finance, technology and such, and I'm not sure those fields will foster a new enlightenment unfortunately.

@GruntKF

3 жыл бұрын

I mean despite all the stupidity unions still exist - whats really stopping us from pursuing a concept like anarcho-syndicalism aside from lack of organization?

@oxxy6678

3 жыл бұрын

@@GruntKF Unions have been diluted to hell, and have essentially no power except in very specific industries. Barely a ghost of what they used to be, which in my view is a completely intentional move of the capitalist oligarchs.

Thanks so much for posting! so important to posterity. Love you professor Chomsky 💙💙💙💙💙

"If people were nicer, the world would be a better place!" Well, can't argue with that, professor.

Thank you Professor. As always, exactly on point.

I'm so happy I found this. I was so confused by Americans calling themselves Libertarian, when the really mean...something else, which I don't even know how to describe. Anarcho-capitalists maybe? Fuck knows

@Jman926

11 ай бұрын

The opposite of authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

that picture at 16:00 gives me strong urges to LARP as 70's Chomsky. His style is dapper AF.

@yurinoworry

2 жыл бұрын

Meh he just looks like an office worker to me, an extra in American psycho maybe, nothing to write home about. Love Chomsky tho don’t get me wrong. I want that young bill nye drip son (drip! Drip! Drip! ~Bill nye the flyest guy~)

YOU DA BOSS CHOMSKY

@Hehehebwb

5 жыл бұрын

Fire da boss -Chomsky

I'd really like to hear anyone who is not in a position of power disagree with that intellectually. There really should be a federal institution that demands proof of the legitimacy of any structures of authority and domination and dismantles them if it can't provide it.

@BraniG-psyc03

3 ай бұрын

😊😊😊

If no one else does, I'll just say it: Best haircut EVER!

@dontwatchthisitssecret9905

4 жыл бұрын

Noam does have quite beautiful locks

@davidcormack375

4 жыл бұрын

@@dontwatchthisitssecret9905 underrated comment

@helengarrett6378

3 жыл бұрын

Is hair all you got out of this? Hope not.

@craigbowers4016

3 жыл бұрын

@@dontwatchthisitssecret9905 Definitely! Whenever I see my stylists I just say "Noam!" and they know what to do!

I really enjoy listening to this man, Noam Chomsky. He's got a great brain and he's got a soothing voice.

Exelente trabajo professor Chomsky.

This conversation went wooosh!! right over Buckley’s head early on.

Resource Based Economy for a better future!

@VeganSemihCyprus33

7 жыл бұрын

+Gregg Billingsley Yes, I think Fresco's work is the best system out there that we can have so far. It goes directly to the root of the problems, including our culture and values. It is solely based on science, which is the only method we know of that is based on reality by its definition and that actually works. If only more people would learn about it as you did and recognize this critical point, we can create heaven on earth.

@VeganSemihCyprus33

7 жыл бұрын

+UltimateSauce His ideas will live, and hopefully eventually become reality for the betterment of humanity. This what he would love to see, and I believe this what he would only care about, to see a better future for humanity. That would be enough for him. Now it is our turn to pass the idea to enlighten people.

@cjmacq-vg8um

5 жыл бұрын

SIMPLIFY!!!!!! all these different terms and words that mean the same thing. and words that mean different things are utter INSANITY! all this madness serves ONLY our oppressors by dividing us, confusing us and misleading us. take the simple word "socialism" for example. because of all this crap we have idiots today claiming socialism is a fascist system! hitler and mussolini were socialist. NOTHING could be more absurd! there's no such thing as libertarian or authoritarian socialism. there's just socialism. ALL socialism is democratic. and protects individual rights through non-authoritarian social cooperation for the common good! any system that does otherwise IS FASCIST! stalin, mao, the khmer rouge were ALL fascist! and socialism is the process through which communism is achieved. and communism and anarchy are synonymous. and anarchy DOESN'T mean chaos. it simply means socialism WITHOUT any govt. there's NEVER been a socialist govt or economy since the beginning of civilization. ALL countries and city states have been fascist. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE!

@cjmacq-vg8um

5 жыл бұрын

equalism, a new and unique philosophy I founded, accepts these truths and others that the elite on the left and right have corrupted. I recently sent Chomsky an invitation to review equalism. an invitation he has thus far refused to accept. he's just another elitist perpetuating old, failed and divisive ideas.

Oh. My. God. This literally blew my fucking mind

@familyvids2080

6 жыл бұрын

Same happened to me when I stumbled onto Chomsky talking about it, this stuff is kept hidden from schools and public conversations for a reason it makes too much sense

Damn Chomsky smoking hot 🔥

@riccardo9383

2 жыл бұрын

Knowledge and intelectual skills can be pretty attractive, it's one of the reasons why teachers are sometimes admired by their students.

@jasonkinzie8835

4 ай бұрын

You are probably attracted to his big sexy brain. I know I am!

Hi ! Could you please turn on the "automatic subtitles" option for this video ? Merci !

Thank you

How is the author Chomsky mentioned at 10:56 written? I dont quite understand. Thanks!

@chomskysphilosophy

9 жыл бұрын

AOEnace1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin

The old clip after 15:00 was one of the best explanations of it sounds like agregar society to me

Do you have links to the texts he mentioned?

Just did the 8 values test and the results indicated I was a Libertarian Socialist. So after further researching I realised that everything that I believe in came under the umbrella of Libertarian Socialism. I never knew this term existed. But I have always found myself left leaning but having acceptence of a true free market system, although I do agree with tarrifs to protect local industries. When I say free market, I don't mean the fake free market that the United States seems to believe bit has.

@raz8752

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, so more specifically you’re a libertarian market socialist?

@Theroadneverending

2 жыл бұрын

Where do I do this

@marokanetc

2 жыл бұрын

@@raz8752 I like markets. They should exist. But they shouldn't define our values

@Ben-bl5rc

2 жыл бұрын

@leftism is for slave owners are anarchists just not on the left to right scale then

@paz4298

Жыл бұрын

@leftism is for slave owners Thank you, some one who is definitely a non-biased and sane individual given your username. /s

13:57 best part

Gonna educate myself . Starting here ...

I grew up using these definitions which I actually learned from him; I never read Luxemburg or Pannekoek - I have a surface level grasp of the history of political philosophy. I do find it really distracting to the point of irritation to hear people abuse these concepts esp in this very recent era of US party politics, black lives matter, Trumpism, pro-war Democrats and cancel culture enemies of freedom of speech. It's all very Orwellian. thank god for Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi.

Can someone name some corporate organisations that actually follow this "power from the bottom" principle? I'm really interested in how these structures work internaly when it comes to decision making and division of work etc.

@comebackkid44723

5 жыл бұрын

Mondragon Conglomerate would be one.

@realmille500

3 жыл бұрын

There is a sort of alternate "Fortune 500" list but for worker-owned companies. I think Publix is the biggest in the USA for example.

@pietroaretino6390

3 жыл бұрын

I know that the region of Emilia-Romagna in Italy has the largest quantity of social coops but idk if it meets your standards.

@prattacaster

Жыл бұрын

Green Bay Packers, lol

@dwaynesbadchemicals

Жыл бұрын

Ocean Spray.

The thumbnail🥵🥵

@rip_bugsy

3 жыл бұрын

bonk

@pjk7138

3 жыл бұрын

Noam Chomsky can manufacture my consent any time.

❤❤❤

I wish he would actually say praxis like syndicates and worker cooperatives. Or Spain's current Distributist organizations.

Is there any Chomsky video without feedback anywhere?

@DragonSkull4312

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a Chomsky video if the audio is clean lmao.

Blue and red which one democratic and which republican and which is right and and which is left confusing

Please add subtitles

I recently had a discussion with a friend, and posed this: When we talk about the "workers" and "means of production" we typically focus on the physical laborers. We tend to ignore the other components of work and labor that go into bringing a product from idea to the market. There is the initial idea, the people who spend time pushing it, the engineers and other skilled developers, those who are involved in logistics of the firm in general, the purchasers, accountatnts, etc etc etc. How should their say and compensation compare to the physical laborer? Should their vote about the direction and behavior of the company have the same weight as the average laborer? How does this get reconciled?

@josephsimmons9241

Жыл бұрын

This is true, it takes all of them to make the wheel turn. Pay them all the same, except the investor/owner get their compensation first and then gets paid the same thereafter.

@evelcustom9864

Жыл бұрын

@@josephsimmons9241 do you really think that an engineer, who had to have years of education, and is doing the kind of work that a relatively few people are capable of should get paid the same as the person on an assembly line, doing the kind of work that most people can do?

@josephsimmons9241

Жыл бұрын

@@evelcustom9864 not the same exactly, but closer.

@josephsimmons9241

Жыл бұрын

@@evelcustom9864also, are you familiar with the demands put on the worker on the assembly line. Most engineers could not keep up. Everyone has a specialty and many in society cannot shoulder the heavy labor, at least for very long. An engineer can work until 75 or 80 if they keep their mind sharp, a physical laborer is lucky to make it to 55

@evelcustom9864

Жыл бұрын

@@josephsimmons9241 There is a wide range of what is considered physical labor. Some of it is massively physically demanding and grueling. Some is just menial. As technology advances, much of the physically demanding labor is taken over by machines. But also, let's make a different comparison. Let's compare someone who does advanced accounting work to someone who does basic data entry or purchase order placing.

If only I knew this man was the key to my ideology so is richard wolff

4:40 👏👏👏

15:23 Is that Peter O'Toole in the audience?

What does he say at 0:55 ? Cale Institute?

@superfiredeath4444

7 жыл бұрын

CATO Institute. It's a garbage American "libertarian" institution.

@iceydaywalker9198

7 жыл бұрын

yep complete piece of shit. originally founded as the "charles coch foundation" if that provides any context...

Therefore I like my coffee the way I love it... with free speech after the 5 min. and closed eyes, after I see one :)

2:59-3:01 Holy shit yeah

15:33 Hey that's alright... I didn't know Chomsky smoked!

Chomsky is the Finnegan's Wake of thinkers. You can enter into a stream of his thought and cut it off mid-sentence and it comes out just fine.

16:48 what word does he use? Irrevocable? Revocable?

@061281lmannino

19 күн бұрын

Revocable. In A.S. people have the right to recall if their delegates act outside their mandate

no, mutually exclusive.

I think Chomsky misspoke. Abraham Lincoln wasn't anti wage slavery. The early gilded age republicans likely were though. There is a brief thread about this misspeak on reddit if anyone is curious enough to look it up.

@loganjonesTTMS

2 жыл бұрын

Lincoln and Marx regularly wrote very friendly letters to each other, it would not surprise me if Lincoln actually agreed with a lot of what Marx believed in.

@matthewkopp2391

2 жыл бұрын

I see Lincoln as a more progressive Jefferson and followed in that tradition. He wanted equal opportunity so that individuals and their families could be sovereign and independent. His policy of reparations for slaves reflects that idea (Obviously not fulfilled). But former slaves were offered 40 acres so they would become sovereign individuals with families. He thought the goal of the young was to work for others save money so that they could achieve independent land ownership or independent careers. If the system does not work towards those ends such as low wages then the government SHOULD intervene. So Lincoln was against types of wage slavery. The issue is the ends. Would a wage result in independent sovereign individuals. Jefferson believed everyone willing to productively work the land ought to own land. So the sentiment of the „factory girls“ Chomsky speaks about was a general sentiment of the USA. Jefferson wanted to discourage people from being tenants and encouraged yeoman agrarianism. So he taxed wealthy landowners so they would give up their land. Jefferson also advocated for free land grants which was later fulfilled by congress with various homestead acts. Jefferson’s ideas are a type of old libertarianism not the US modern version. Jefferson believed in limited government, but also believed that the government should intervene to provide opportunities to create rational sovereign individuals such as providing education and distributing lands more equally. He also hated monopolies and warned against them. Contemporary libertarians are a far cry from Jeffersonian principles because they follow Ayn Rand, Hayek, and Misis rather than they ideal of creating more democracy and more economical sovereign individuals. The Vienna school famously rejected the Locke provisio which advocated for more equal distribution of property. And obviously reject Adam Smith’s vile maxim. Greed is now a virtue or at least nobody’s business.

@kimobrien.

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewkopp2391 Capitalism has done its work of creating a working class all that remains is for an internationalist revolutionary leadership to develop that can lead the working class of all nations to power over capitalism. The problems of the world economy can not be solved by one nation much less by the American capitalist class with its continual financial crisis.

24:08 I think the representatives in the upper layers should be full-timers, as they would have to decide over central plans suggested by experts, which is a rather complicated task. But it's the only way to have high-level industry in a socialist society, as for high--level industry one needs big factories, long commodity chains, etc.However I think these full-timers shouldn't be paid more than average factory workers, have no other priviledges over average workers and should still be recallable at any time. And they should have to report to their electors. But I am a Trotskyist, not an anarchist.

How do you decide when it should be allowed to spread internationally? Take a vote?

@kropk9806

8 жыл бұрын

+Ester Samuels what? what do you mean by 'allowed to spread' exactly?

@Mortison77577

8 жыл бұрын

Krop k In this video he was talking about "anarcho-syndicalism" or some related hyper-democratic system of government. He seemed to be saying that it could spread internationally if it started in one area first, although he didn't say exactly how that would happen. He may have meant that others would adopt this system by example.

@anouman9883

8 жыл бұрын

+Ester Samuels Well, probably through revolutionary action, fomenting workers' militias (take the CNT-FAI and the POUM, for example), but on an international level.

@Mortison77577

8 жыл бұрын

Afonso Sousa Well, its not obvious if the original state would think that it would be justified in overthrowing the government of the neighboring country and whether or not it would use violence, etc., etc.

@anouman9883

8 жыл бұрын

Ester Samuels Yeah, there's a lot of material factors to consider in real-life situations. As for violence, I really don't think there's any other way, unfortunately. The forcible overthrow of capitalism has been the only viable way to implement socialism so far. Reformism hasn't really achieved very significant results.

57k.. 56k get the point.

2:20

Can pleeease someone answer this for me: Would there be currency in a libertarian socialist society?

@lucyb5464

8 жыл бұрын

+Arman M Yes, I agree with Jack. Really I sorta look at it in a simple (but sometimes flawed way, depending *what you apply it to*), _the political compass_. A libertarian socialist....is still a socialist...the same way it's still libertarian. Socialist still use currency, just don't emphasize it to the point it surpassed the value of life (capitalism in some cases). Libertarian, meaning...trying to make as much voluntarily as possible, for a freer society. Also a strong emphasis on Individual rights, and democracy. Really, people here in America, get rather confused about the idea of Libertarian Socialist. It confuses them rightfully so because there are many Libertarians that fall under the "No government because government does bad things" category...which is a shame. I agree that governments can do terrible things, and a lot have, but they also do good. Humans created the social system (government), and fail to remember that it's human made....meaning any social constructs of humans will have the same flaws that us humans have. So instead of throwing out the bathwater with the baby, reasonable libertarians want to improve, and minimize interference with their individual rights, this does not mean scrap government so we can all live in an anarcho-capitalist society. So to sum it up what I said... I think people here in America are confused about Libertarian Socialism because 1)Socialism is like the big boogy man word, automatically tied to socialist dictatorships, and communism (which is tied to Stalinism). 2)A combination of "1", and the belief that libertarians are either fully "NO GOVERNMENT" or not libertarians....because...if you're not the farthest and most pronounced of the bunch...you're not one at all. I could consider myself a Libertarian Socialist, because I have very strong worker rights, look out for one's community, and life over profit views. (ideologically held by the public, implemented by and for the public) I also am for making the government interfere with the people as less as possible (Fundamentally held by almost everyone here in America, because of the existing government.)And I want to make as much voluntary as possible while making sure everyone is still treated fairly.

@armanm246

8 жыл бұрын

***** So you would prefer only bartering in an anarchist community?

@armanm246

8 жыл бұрын

Can't you have a self reliant, trusting community but exchange with currency instead bartering items? I just think it makes life a lot easier for everyone.

@armanm246

8 жыл бұрын

***** You talk about the profit motive but I'm just talking about an exchange in value. What's the difference between someone giving someone else a chocolate bar in exchange for some cash, and someone giving someone else a chocolate bar in exchange for a couple of oranges? In both cases, the person valued what they received more than what they gave away, so it seems like a fair deal either way. A lot of the problems you talk about - usury, selfish profit motive etc. - aren't those the problems caused by centralised power in the hands of the state and the economic elite? I don't think the economic idea of quantising value is evil in itself. There were a lot of libertarian left societies in history that used some sort of currency, including the Spanish Revolution.

@armanm246

8 жыл бұрын

***** Can you answer my question on what the difference is between the two exchanges I described

Anti-state socialism is what we need now! I hope to tell you that challenging authority gets people in trouble in this system. Practically, it's not possible to challenge your teachers, professors, bosses, parents unless you do it very slowly and incrementally. I know. I tried. Still trying.

@Theroadneverending

2 жыл бұрын

Never possible. The world would eat each other

@yurinoworry

2 жыл бұрын

@@Theroadneverending instead, only the rich get to eat the poor while the poor starve to death or eat each other. hmm. only the rich is exempt from being devoured currently. that’s why they’re scared.

@petekdemircioglu

2 жыл бұрын

I did it openly. My parents always encouraged me to question Authrotity when growing up.It happens but you get battered a lot and get to be called Anarchist.

@TheMahayanist

Жыл бұрын

@@Theroadneverending Nonsense.

@squwooshk

Жыл бұрын

@@Theroadneverending You are falling for the propaganda of the state and capital owners. They want you to believe people are competitive, greedy and uncaring, these are the qualities capitalism values after all, but the opposite is true. True human nature is to be kind and social. We are social creatures that only survived early on by means of mutal aid. Look at most pre colonial Native American tribes, they were decentralized groups that worked on a system not of wages, but of collectivism and mutual aid.

What about prisons and police force? How they should be organized when it comes to authority, imposition and legitimate power?

@loganjonesTTMS

2 жыл бұрын

I think that in a Libertarian Socialist society, only the absolute worst offenders would be locked away, people convicted on lesser offences would be rehabilitated and supported through the community. Crimes related to poverty and money would literally cease to exist because money as a concept would not be needed in the society. Every person’s needs would be fulfilled through the community and inter-community co-operation. The more I think about it, the more I realise that money in today’s technologically advanced society shouldn’t exist because we have the technological and industrial capacity for everyone to have everything they need.

@willemvanrees4015

Жыл бұрын

@@loganjonesTTMS I agree with you, but how do we divide it fairly? If everyone lived with the standards of the average American, the world would immediately have the climate crisis worsen significantly. How do we force Americans to have one fridge for every 6 families and donate all their cellphones to India?

@cpl.geckell6355

Жыл бұрын

@@willemvanrees4015 I think that’s a general misunderstanding of how resource production is done in the current globalist system. There were ways to sustainably produce the resources to provide X amount of things per 1 person with causing a complete environmental crisis, the primary issue in today’s society is that de-regulation and environmental malpractice are actively incentivized in various countries and corporate processes which could be regulated properly under an anarchist, worker owned industry based on need over profit

@lukasbusch2135

6 ай бұрын

@@loganjonesTTMSWho decides what me or you, or really anyone “needs”? I doubt mere survival is the criteria you wish to rely upon.

i lost trosky when jack sparrow enterred the scene

15:22 Check out the grimace of contempt on this guy's face... probably the school's dean of economics.

Love the idea of anarchy but wouldn’t people just form hierarchies, that would form into empires and repeat history again? It would have to be some form of social design behind it as well that supports the idea.

@brundlefly001

2 жыл бұрын

That's why it has to be a gradual process. Anarachy is often thought of synonymously with chaos, but if it was achieved organically then that wouldn't necessarily be the case. An anarchist society couldn't just be created by flipping a switch, even if it was triggered by a revolution. If that were the case, then hierarchies would form likely form quickly and possibly in harsher ways than before. This is what a right wing libertarian society would likely turn into, since ideologically, achieving one means that economic hiearchies are not only tollerated, but integral. This is why democratizing everything, from political to economic institutions, would be viewed as steps taken toward anarchism, and not ones to be taken after the fact.

@BlurNZ

Жыл бұрын

As much as I love the idea of Anarchy, it is unfortunately the weakest social system. I agree with you, people can and do just form their own form of pretty much any other system inside of Anarchism, and then eats anarchism from within. Think of WW2 - Germany takes territory after territory without the rest of the world getting involved. America stays out of the whole thing until Russia turns the Nazi's back with the power of winter. only once the end began did America get into things on the side of the winners. Yay Anarchist global order! We have only ever had one strong anarchist system - Mutually assured destruction. Which is a pretty grim umbrella to live under. Seeing it play out in modern history has the entire west gifting everything to the Ukraine, just as long as they don't need to officially declare war on Russia - as doing so might start the nukes flying. Anarchism is great - there is no coercion or control, but that same lack of coercion or control lets any other system rise from within it, and subvert it... unless the other Anarchist members have nukes... only then do we leave each other alone. For the same reason nations Like N Korea and Iran want nukes - to assure they don't even get supplanted by outside forces. (even with Nukes you can be supplanted by inside forces - for example it is conceivable one day a politician could be elected and destroy a countries entire stockpile of nuclear weapons). I think nukes suck for the record, and the glory of Anarchism in the global system might just justify their existence, which says "I Value Global Anarchism" very strongly. Liberal democracy is modeled around appearing to be as close to that lack of coercion or control as possible, however its always sneaky around the sides, and always takes more than that, generally with the aim of turning is populace into profitable employees because this will raise our standard of living, which takes us back to his wage slave points, or someone else's GDP per capital points. I don't know any system that takes Anarchism's lack of coercion and control, and holds it strong against other influence (note - these influences can be both ideological or military), and I don't see how one could exactly exist - they are at odds. The second we trade in for say, military security - well, it just starts the slippery slope - lets factory farm food, to provide for urban centers in which to make this modern military, lets have an efficient, profitable economy so we have spare poor boys to send to the military, and lets start to trade for the things we lack, they are strategic resources after all - and after rolling down this slope for 5 minutes in any direction, you come out looking like the national govt of some country around the world. According to Maslow's heiracy of needs, Many things come before Esteem and Actualisation needs, namely food, shelter,family and safety. Anarchism dosen't give a crap about these, and while healthy, community minded individuals in a state of plenty will share, when you are struggling yourself, and you are worried about feeding your family for the winter, how free will you really be with your grain? Again, here, you have to make either the Hobbes call - 'go Xck yourself buddy' or, as per studies on hunter gather societies have shown - friendliness is the most major trait, so instead we 'help them' - but we can't just all wake up one day with years of hunter gatherer behinds us, and how many, on the journey out of the game theory world of capitalism, will make that same call? Very few I think. How many, when used to the welfare state and the bystander effect will not think 'someone should really do something about that' and turn away? How many, without any agricultural skills or agreed means of trade currency, will not instead turn to theft? John Talyor Gatto (Underground history) makes a strong point that in modern culture those who are illiterate correlate extremely highly with those who commit crime... in that those without the skills to navigate the modern world, and alienated from it, commit the crimes within it. Well, under anarchism there would be no security in pent house apartments and law school, and maybe we would all live in fear of roving bands of Lawyers and wall street traders here to raid our settlements? Under Anarchism there would be no judicial system enforcing contracts - just peoples word. And outward facing you believe you are a good guy, in a world of good guys, but googling cognative dissonance or the 'milgram experiment' will disabuse you of your conviction that you are in fact always the good guy. Therefore under anarchism, you'd quickly have people rewriting contracts on the fly, cancelling and adjusting them, and it would be rule of the strong position over the weak position, and such injustice would lead to the formation of other political movements. Every different party involved would be their own good guy, capitalism and individualism have in essence poisoned that pot. Its not that Anarchism can't work, it just can't work with Humans, our brains can't do it. Man I like Anarchism though, its a truly beautiful utopian vision as long as no one has to actually do it for any length of time. Sorry for length...

@ssssssssss1638

Жыл бұрын

​@@BlurNZ Anarchism doesnt mean no organisation it just means no unjustified hierarchy and coersion, there would still be an army and a security apparatus if it was necessary. And why are you concerned about internal threats? Would you or your family members or your friends or your coworkers after being convinced of anarchism ever join in an attack on an anarchist society? Then why dont u trust the members to, sort of a weird fear

@BlurNZ

Жыл бұрын

@@ssssssssss1638 So you are telling me that in our unity we shalt be safe? That's a theocracy mate, not anarchism, go back to your commune. Your version of Anarchism requires a key, a mechanistic utopian Ideal - that of unity of purpose, of homogeneity. Like Marx you are doomed to fail, Humans are heterogeneous, and beautiful and strong and resilient because of it. its not something we can even choose to sacrifice for your dark utopia. To quote gunship "Clear the bones from your heaven" - in this and every case, its the bones of the people who dared disbelieve in your grand vision. Capitalism doesn't work very well for the poor - they get less 'votes' (money), but they aren't executed or persecuted for disagreeing with the system. If you think your system, which does this is more just, you have massive moral failings. To form this Anarchist consensus you need a strong state to convince everyone to have the same world view, and to persecute those who do not. This is not Anarchism, its a theocracy. Its not freedom from all coercion, its freedom as long as you sit with the masses, which is totalitarian doggerel, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Safe to say, Noam doesn't want some totalitarian system with a lick of paint calling it the church of Anarchism. Go watch his videos specifically on Anarchism, you misunderstand the system for which he advocates, but equally I'm not sure they system for which he advocates can ever be anything but a beautiful dream... but his version is at least beautiful, whereas yours - its very dark. Manufacturing consensus is 100% a totalitarian thing, 0% Anarchism in that mate.

@kimobrien.

Жыл бұрын

@@ssssssssss1638 Like all social reformers Chomsky has worked everything out in detail at his office now he awaits the working class to come by and take his advice as an untested leader who save us all from the evil elites. .

People ask you: but meh, there's no control over things. Just state the fact that this is decentralized power for more democratic institutions.

I don't have an issue with economically oriented socialistesque type programs or policies, safety nets and fall backs for the population at varying levels and processes- however, I differ from most of the core Chomsky crowd because that is where my agreement ends. I would support economic socialism (however still to a certain degree/extent), without removing individual land and property rights and personal freedoms...BUT I am not socially or morally pro socialist so to speak- that is, not in support of the characteristically "far left" moral and social stances full left wing types of socialism/various socialist type parties prescribe to. I like the opposite of right side libertarianism, socially conservative economically liberal (in the sense of broad categorization/what falls under more specifically- i.e socialism varying one way or the other economically speaking). A country needs to have a national identity with some extent of shared culture, traditions, religion/faith. Shared culture and values with a shared heritage and way of life to defend. Nationally minded. Any type of reallocation or taxing it assistance for the citizen, not a free for all for any and everyone, with no sense of identity or shared beliefs, traditions or values. Then it's meaningless, as far as I am concerned. The economy of the early Christian civilizations is an example that represents a lot of what I think of/support. **FYI I am on my gf's phone/YT at the moment as I write this comment. Obviously that is therefore not me in the picture to the left- it is in fact my gf haha. My name is Joey. Just keeping it truthful and honest. God Bless Everyone.**

"Everybody ought to be an anarchist in that sense." . . . . Exactly. Who is in favor of authority that can't meet the challenge of demonstrating its justification for existing?

Socialism is anti liberalism Socialism is a collectivist ideology Liberalism is an individualist ideology

@epicphailure88

8 ай бұрын

The majority of people working long hours to make a few people wealthy is the definition of collectivism. We don't need bosses. They need us. No Gods No Masters.

@TacticalBeachBum93

4 ай бұрын

Libertarian is the original word used for the socialist philosophy. Just because it's collectivist doesn't mean it can't be FOR the individual i.e., individual autonomy, personal freedom, voluntary association etc., as well it is anti-state, anti-authoritarian, pro-max liberty, pro-max equality etc.The "Socialism" in Libertarian Socialism is in regards to organizing the society as a whole, from the bottom up democratically where the people collectively control means of production and collectively make decisions and decide to or to not elect representatives in different areas etc. If you want to know, just start reading basic things on wikipedia

@chrisbates2314

4 ай бұрын

@@TacticalBeachBum93 Republicans, Democrats and libertarians are corporatists

@chrisbates2314

4 ай бұрын

@@TacticalBeachBum93 obviously you dont know what corporatism is

@chrisbates2314

4 ай бұрын

@@TacticalBeachBum93 the Nordic countries are the most corporatist countries on the planet Uneducated indoctrinated collectivist bootlicker

I said libertarianism an i grew a couple inches taller(thé door frame lower than my stature is a recent event,,,kinda cool

@jonbigeffortthegoodness7437

Жыл бұрын

I remember when I thought I’m a anarchist socialist giant,

The interviewer in the second interview has an anarchist hairdo. I wonder if Noam was suppressing a laugh every time he looked at that crime against aesthetics

Chomsky is enlightening when he critiques existing institutions and power structures. But his suggestions for preferable organizations seems to me utopian, idealistic, quixotic, and unrealistic in the extreme.

'Noam Chomsky and Foucault discuss wearing flesh-coloured girdles.' (1972)

Hilarious thing is that Chomsky was a linguist . . . not a historian, not an economist, not a political scientist. He's about as qualified to give takes on those fields as the average Joe. Actual economists like Thomas Sowell have torn him a new one on several occasions because of his bad ideas.

@nogodsnomanagers

6 ай бұрын

Big oof

Nothing is stopping people in the US to attempt to start something like that which Noam Chomsky is suggesting. If it is the best way, as he believes, then people will flock to it and it will win out by free choice.

@Tamer_108

9 жыл бұрын

assuming a critically thinking populous, unafraid of changing patterns of thought....

@TklistNet1

9 жыл бұрын

Tamer Sadek Like minded people can give it a try, they do not need everyone to think like they do.

@Tamer_108

9 жыл бұрын

TKList yeah but don't expect a turnout of anywhere near the "US"

@TklistNet1

9 жыл бұрын

Tamer Sadek You are missing the point. If it really was better, you would have places already doing it. Chomsky can start his own Jonestown if he really believes in his ideas.

@Tamer_108

9 жыл бұрын

TKList or people too aftaid or uninspired to touch the status quo simply keep going about their lives. Humans are not impelled to change until there is pressing enough stimuli (necessity is the mother of invention etc), and so most people who tend not to think about such things anyway would rather continue unchanged lives than have to do something about it. There's also a load of restrictions and obstacles related to leaving the central system of society. Point being, it is not simply a case of ideology vs ideology - human psychology, education, laws and many other factors complicate things

for some reason, I can’t take the dude asking questions seriously

@kimobrien.

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my feeling.

Socialism without the State is not Socialism

@BigDaddyDru

9 ай бұрын

Exactly! I still don’t understand how a libertarian socialist society would operate.

Was luxembourg actually anti-statist or was she just anti centrist?

Chomsky: Libertarian Socialism is the non-state form of Anarchism.

@Jman926

11 ай бұрын

Anarchism is actually the extreme version. An even handed, libertarian (with emphasis on *civil liberties* for all individuals, not this feudalist, elitist, freedom to exploit and gouge dystopian ideal), system can definitely succeed without falling into the the true antithesis of libertarianism: Authoritarianism. Or perhaps I just dislike bossy people, lol.

I laughed so hard at 3:50

He always makes comments about historical socialism but never gets to the nitty gritty of how his preferred type of socialism could work today

@michaelsmith8665

3 жыл бұрын

"He always makes comments about historical socialism but never gets to the nitty gritty of how his preferred type of socialism could work today." That's because he doesn't believe in "preferred types" of anything. It's up to the American people to evolve the specific kind of socialism that best needs their needs, not Chomsky or any other individual.

@pacotaco1246

2 жыл бұрын

Communicating the framework necessary is all we need to get started. Anarchism is flexible to meet the needs and conditions of the people participating. Do not depend on a single individual to dictate how you should be ruled, rule yourself

@kimobrien.

Жыл бұрын

@@pacotaco1246 This is because all but the revolutionary Marxist tendency will take the position of Trotsky on the early years of the Communist International and the class character of the Soviet Union under Stalin. See The Militant published since 1928.

Damn wait am I a libertarian socialist because I'm a scientist?

What a way to beat around the bush to explain how the world works. He could have explained business society in about 30 seconds not 12 minutes.

I love the idea of Libertarian Socialism, self-licking ice creams, and flying spaghetti monsters. All excellent jokes.

❤️ Noam Chomsky 💙 Bernie Sanders 🌟 ❤️ Jeremy Corbyn 🌹

erm, NO.

You can absolutely change an organization to libertarian socialist/anarchist. It's a slow process and you make mistakes, but the payoff is that nobody feels exploited and everybody's heard. Try to get this happening everywhere you participate: work, school, clubs, friend groups, family...

If nobody is in charge in anarchism, how does anything get done?

@chomskysphilosophy

9 жыл бұрын

Ester Samuels In a libertarian socialist society, people *are* in charge - that's the whole point. They're in charge of their own communities and workplaces. Watch the video.

@Mortison77577

9 жыл бұрын

Chomsky's Philosophy I did watch the video. Seems a little too idealistic.

@Tamer_108

9 жыл бұрын

well, it requires a critically thinking populous...so.

@Aconitum_napellus

9 жыл бұрын

Ester Samuels Well its happened in the past, you might be interested in reading about the Spanish revolution, and the Anarchist communes that were established then. Other interesting examples from history are the free territory of the Ukraine, and I believe that there was a similar social experiment in Korea, prior to the Korean war. Also of interest is the region of the Danish city of Copenhagen known as Christania. You might also be interested in whats happening in Rojava, Kurdistan.

@Mortison77577

9 жыл бұрын

Nox Aternum What about all the hippie communes that failed? It seems like a libertarian socialist society would always have the problem of failing because there is nobody to tell people to work when they don't want to.

Look, I love Chomsky as much as the next guy, but I keep thinking that the depth, veracity and importance of what he says is inversely proportional to his charisma and public speaking skills. You'd expect from a genius linguist and philosopher that words would just roll off the tongue and flow right out of his mouth with conviction and surgical precision, but with him every syllable is a slow struggle uttered in the same flat voice lacking any variation in pitch or tone whatsoever; so much so that closed captions is a must. I've been following him for 20 years now and my assessment is that he is a genius thinker, but rather poor communicator. And that's without even mentioning his tendency to cutting people off when they talk.

@POCKET-SAND

9 ай бұрын

Well when an academic starts to talk about a field that they have no formal education in (like Milton Friedman talking about biochemistry or Albert Einstein giving you financial advice), they don't tend to come off as very convincing to people that actually have a basic understanding of said field. As somebody who has actually studied economics, his takes on such matters come off as almost funny to me.

who's the half bald interviewer

Public K-12 education in the US provides a hint as to how well libertarian socialism will work. Teachers (workers) prioritize their desires over those of students/families (consumers).

@JupiterJazzX

7 жыл бұрын

mind expounding on this?

@flipierfatalbina4757

6 жыл бұрын

do teachers control the schools? lmao this take is horrible

@grouchypus

5 жыл бұрын

our k-12 teachers are under attack in the states, what on Earth are you talking about Managerial? oh.. i think capitalism is in his name, nvm. teachers unions are growing stronger

@martinijazz9

5 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the bad take zone

There is no thing as a libertarian socialism and neither there is a liberatarian capitalism

@mathias4851

Жыл бұрын

Did you see the fk video?

He's got such a monotone voice, ii get sleepy everytime i listen to him.

Unnecessarily redundant category framework ‘

I am not into socialism in any form

@christain9696

3 жыл бұрын

oh, I see you must be very familiar with the philosophy behind the various forms of Socialism to be able to dismiss it like this. Please share your criticism, I'd love to hear it.

@eliasajuwa6462

3 жыл бұрын

@@christain9696 I don’t know much about socialism but Karl Marx, the one that coined the phrase “socialism” said it is the social transitional state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.” You can google it yourself it’s there. That is enough for me not to want anything to do with it

@christain9696

3 жыл бұрын

@@eliasajuwa6462 oh, in that case, you don't seem to want Communism, what is your criticism of that system, then?

@eliasajuwa6462

3 жыл бұрын

@@christain9696 a fundamental truth that absolute power corrupts absolutely. History is paved with examples of what happens when any form of government has absolute power. Karl Marx was to USSR what Adam Smith was to the founding fathers. Both Revolutions were based on the incepted by the ideas both men wrote of. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations advocated that the free market was better left without the heavy hand of government dictating things. Karl Marx advocates big government. At $21 trillion USA has the biggest GDP in human history. There is no need to change the economy. All it needs is make some adjustments by turning things like healthcare and education a public good and (or) a limited public good. Spend the same amount of money for infrastructure that it does on war. And shut the damn propaganda mainstream media off! It’s destroying the minds of American citizens, breaking the nuclear family up. Causing the nation to lose its cohesion, its impetus and purpose. An example I dear say it is any American saying they want socialism doesn’t understand the legacy of their own country. A people that were persecuted and burned in England by Henry VIII’s daughter, “Bloody Mary”, escaped to the new world and that was the beginning of a great nation that would say never again will government be that big enough to burn people at the stake. Communism allover the world has always been oppressive and repressive. Even today, China is committing genocide and covering it up because of its communist party. Only reason they are as powerful as they are today is because capitalist companies went over to China. I do not like socialism because according to Marxist Theory it leads to communism. Plain and simple!

@christain9696

3 жыл бұрын

@@eliasajuwa6462 ok, so you don't know what Communism is and have been fed propaganda since a young age and been told to be afraid of its strawmen. And instead of questioning what you know you refuse to even learn up on it, on top of calling those who are willing to shed light on the topic "propagandists"... it's sad irony...

if u want change just work hard spend as little as possible and stay happy don't make children and then you will see change.

@grouchypus

5 жыл бұрын

no.

@grouchypus

5 жыл бұрын

that's not how any of this works.

@martinijazz9

5 жыл бұрын

this is so painfully wrong to read

@Gigika313

4 жыл бұрын

Zion Avramov if you want change, socialize the enterprise.

Chomsky is a fool.

@jamesanthony5681

Жыл бұрын

Nah.

@askeladd60

Жыл бұрын

Yep

Libertarian socialism aka J e w ish authoritarianism

said a whole lot of nothing

@user1138

2 жыл бұрын

That's because you're too stupid to get it.

I am opposite of you and you and you. #Buddha. SF/EF #DirectAction #Activist