"Man, I can't wait to steal some woke garbage comic books!" - No one, ever.

@lesewing

3 жыл бұрын

Well, there's the twitter weirdo's who would.

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. There’s plenty of Marxists who are being appealed to by this stuff, who honestly believe “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” The thing is, just because you bring in this fanbase doesn’t mean they’re being good capitalists.

@stanleyclark923

3 жыл бұрын

@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 He should have said "-No person, ever" because we all know commies aren't people.

@Shiirow

3 жыл бұрын

"I pirated it and I still felt so ripped off that I demand my money back."

@johndoe-bl3fo

3 жыл бұрын

Stopped buying years ago. And the books were so bad i don't even waste my time pirating them. I just moved on with my life and im happier for it. Don't need some hypocrite lecturing me on politics.

Comic Book Industry: "Piracy is crashing the comics industry." Pirates: "You couldn't pay us to pirate that shit."

@thexdatabase

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@ErikBramsen

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bacteriophagebs A bit old, but relevant as ever: www.theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

@doombybbr

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't read their comics even if they WERE pirated.

Kirk: “Let them die.”

@cyberleaderandy1

3 жыл бұрын

"Exterminate !"

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully from the ashes a new and better industry will form

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

3 жыл бұрын

“The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'SAVE US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.” -Rorschach, Watchmen

@mechajay3358

3 жыл бұрын

Burn it to the ground

@hungryewok1684

3 жыл бұрын

That was one of Shatner"s best delivered lines in all of Star Trek

Dear Marvel: Here's the truth, your books are so thoroughly awful, incompetent and creatively bankrupt they're literally NOT WORTH STEALING. People dont pirate your books, they AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE.

@HerculesBallsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Rather than 'pirating' Marvel's work, I could just wait a few months for it to appear in the bargain bin. And it will... if the stores bought it at all in the first place...

@asillynertasillynert2204

3 жыл бұрын

With data caps not worth the bandwidth

@kerravon4159

3 жыл бұрын

@@HerculesBallsInc Best thing to do with the books in that bargain bin is to spray a bit of lighter fluid and then throw in a lit match. It would be a service to humanity.

@furnoprime9439

3 жыл бұрын

@@kerravon4159 Indeed. Just give'em to a homeless lad to use as a way to keep the fire burning to stay warm

@capt.bellamy

3 жыл бұрын

@@kerravon4159 yall should be ashamed..... thats a waste of a match

“Piracy is why American comics are failing” Among…other things, but ignore those it’s totally the piracy that’s doing it

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Bad Writing, Poor marketing, limited availability, high prices, and bad service

@johntitor1256

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, it's piracy and ONLY piracy, yes sirree. Not self-destructive practices like alienating longtime fans or pushing political agendas at the expense of good storytelling, no no. When would our Glorious Sacrosanct Gender-Neutral Parents™ the comic pros ever do such things?

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ashkihyena bad service

@danny_decheeto8300

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ashkihyena I know, do they want our money or not? Fr

@wolfbane7497

3 жыл бұрын

Captain Barbosa : " you best start believing in Ghost stories comics industry you're in one "

The thing is, pirates want to steal treasures, not worthless trash.

@oddskymikha8185

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, that's a really good one. Gonna write it down for later use.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

That is so insanely accurate it almost physically hurts...

@stanleyclark923

3 жыл бұрын

"I've got a jar of dirt! I've got a jar of dirt!"

@BrennanCh06

3 жыл бұрын

YOOOOOOOOO

@nunyabusiness168

3 жыл бұрын

One mans trash is another mans treasure, too bad no one wants this garbage that was unloaded at my front door.

"Panicking like a ten year old at a biden rally" is a criminally underrated line.

"If you don't like my politics, don't buy my books!". And people listened to her, some of them don't buy their books even if they read them.

@theALTF4

3 жыл бұрын

..some people demand their money back EVEN after reading the pirated stuff because OH MY GOD THAT SHITS AWFUL!

The "price is too high so no kids could buy them" was already a problem before SJW, it's just now no adult would buy them either

@bemotivated8443

3 жыл бұрын

Manga is taking over and I’m fine with that

@fajile5109

3 жыл бұрын

Manga aint cheap

@aokhoinguyenang3992

3 жыл бұрын

@@fajile5109 cheaper than comic much cheaper

@epicgamer3162

3 жыл бұрын

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 yup

@aokhoinguyenang3992

3 жыл бұрын

@@fajile5109 & it is easier to find(book store, magazine stand, vending machine, subscription, comic book store,...)

"Demon Slayer: Mugen Train" was available online months before an official theatrical relase outside Japan, and yet when it hit theatres in U.S. and México it was a big sucess (one week of full rooms on my town) so that's a prove of a loyal fanbase when the work is worth it.

@danihelarun

3 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine sent me a link to watch "your name" (anime movie) for free months before its release here in the US. I watched it at least half a dozen times before paying to watch it, twice, during its limited release in the theaters.

@writer6557

3 жыл бұрын

@@danihelarun same, I watched "Your Name" on Netflix, and yet, if I had the chance to see it im theatres I totally would.

@danihelarun

3 жыл бұрын

@@writer6557 it was worth seeing in theaters just for the visuals alone. US Netflix doesn’t have “your name”. However hbo max has “weathering with you”, so I’m hoping “your name” may end up on hbo max.

@writer6557

3 жыл бұрын

@@danihelarun sadly "Your Name" was taken off the platform here in México, oh and I got the chance to see "Weatering With You" in theatres, a beautiful experience.

@vidmastereon

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite animes i watched through torrents I now own all 5 seasons of the japanese blu rays

Cool thing about music piracy: Iron Maiden tracks the places that pirate their music the most. And then they tour these places. That's why they always come to Brazil.

@doombybbr

3 жыл бұрын

"oh look, free advertising"

@joaop4585

2 жыл бұрын

Its e x a c t l y, like the bro on the 👆 comment said. The only ppl that piracy hurt its small and beginners artist/writters (ecen through they make advertising too lol)

It's not piracy that is crashing the comics industry; it's shitty woke identity politics writing and Tumblr-quality artwork. That's what is doing it.

@thanakonpraepanich4284

3 жыл бұрын

How long comics industry have been living off rejects and cast outs to produce contents? It looks to me that comic writers and artists today are those who don't make it in other fields or channels, probably someone CW and Netflix turned down.

@andresanguianozuniga6798

3 жыл бұрын

Yes...and i hate it.

@DonVigaDeFierro

3 жыл бұрын

Hell, comics are story and art only... In fact, a great story can save average art. These people utterly fail at both. You couldn't even say "hey, the story is shit, but at least the art is easy on the eyes..." It's all shit on every level.

@billh.1940

2 жыл бұрын

The woke crowd, and the TikTok girls are not your paying customers, they live to bully and step on things, if you worry about them you will die out! Know who your fans are. Or you will be cancelled

No pirate ever looks at a barge carrying garbage and thought, "jackpot."

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Except Invincible

@wolfbane7497

3 жыл бұрын

Jack Sparrow : " I'm sorry love but I would rather drown myself then steal cargo that's already damaged. "

@Ellebeeby

3 жыл бұрын

Let’s face it, it’s more like a plague ship…

“Piracy is almost always a service problem not a pricing problem” -Gaben

@AndragonLea

3 жыл бұрын

@LTNetjak Indeed. There's a reason most books sell for that cheap and there are OPTIONAL hardcovers available. It allowed people to spend only a little money on an author they didn't know and whose work they may find they do not enjoy. Then, if they find themselves loving the author or book series, they can spring for the fancy hardcover edition to put on the shelves at home if they like. This way: poor people get to enjoy it. People that aren't sure get to enjoy it. People that have more disposable income get a way to support the author more and the author gets a broader market audience and gets paid. Everybody wins. By raising the prices they not only make piracy more and more appealing, they make it NECESSARY for those they price out. If you can't afford your hobby and there's an almost effortless way to get what you want for free, the choice is easy. Especially if the people responsible for the price are rubbing it in your face and telling you it ain't for you if you can't afford it. Screw that.

@otbaht

3 жыл бұрын

@LTNetjak Agreed. I read a lot of cheap ones taking a shot. It's always why I make a web novel and think when I finally stop being lazy and set up my chip in a dollar or two option I might get 10 dollars XD Im a realist. And my web novel has the same availablility as I have for comics to see for free except mines online to read for free and I can just go to a comic ship to read them for free. (i mostly read them to see if they got good again) and then buy manga because it's actually good.

@raytraxdtm

3 жыл бұрын

man hasnt tried vst plugins nshit. Those shit be 700$

@tcideh4929

3 жыл бұрын

Miss quote but you’ve got the spirt

@vidmastereon

3 жыл бұрын

The western anime industry is a prime example People love the product but hate the 'service' I have a strict no domestic policy If your service is garbage, i wont give you money If your product is garbage, i wont give you the most valuable currency of all, my time

Piracy is not only free advertising, it's good advertising.

"Don't give money to people who hate you." - Brian Neimeier

It's easier to blame others, than to blame yourselves

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when their activism is counterproductive in all forms.

@theblackprince9487

3 жыл бұрын

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo exactly

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

I became fat because of society, society should pay!

People pirating comics would imply that the comics were worth pirating.

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Some are, like older ones

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

@I am The senate I stay away from comics that are just adaptations of other works

@nikkity5491

3 жыл бұрын

@I am The senate dangerously based Dark horses alien and predator series is 👌

@matthewphenix7952

3 жыл бұрын

I haven’t even read a free comic in over three years. The stories are trash anymore. Repeats repeats, reboots, rewrites, remind me why I liked these . . .

"If you can't afford them they're not for you" "Please buy my books" Solution, buy Manga.

"It's criminal behaviour " I wonder if he was so quick to condemn the rioters of "criminal behaviour"? 🤔

I pirate almost every book I own regardless of if it is traditional, comics, or manga. When I like it, I go back and buy the physical media (because I prefer physical media). I bought every available book in One Punch Man as soon as I finished reading it all online. I also bought merchandise and recommended it to friends. If you have a good product people are willing to pay for it.

@mikoartz5006

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i prefer physical versions of things, unless 1, i dont want to buy a movie i dont know ill like so ill go on "totatly legal websitr" and watch it first, for games tho,i almost always want to get the physical version everytime, unless its umm well games i cant play,like gba pokemon fire red. And stuff

@jovenc4508

3 жыл бұрын

I paid for the webcomic Sweet Home and would gladly pay again for a physical release which sadly probably won't happen.

@otbaht

3 жыл бұрын

I know many people who will do that with manga. Although lately they have taken to checking that it wasn't censored before buying it. In many cases they discovered and bought manga they wouldn't have known existed otherwise.

@ejaurand

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when I had no income as a kid, I pirated music. The stuff that I really liked I eventually ended up purchasing. I still occasionally frequent the high seas for a digital copy of something i already own. I don't like paying twice, just because I bought in a format that isn't what I need now. For example, if I by the vinyl, I'll probably download a digital copy. With reasonable pricing, especially through streaming, I almost never have to pirate anything.

@mirceazaharia2094

3 жыл бұрын

If I can afford it and I can find it, I buy it. Manga is kind of hard to find and expensive over here. I personally never pirate indie games, If I like them and want them, I buy them.

Captain Barbosa : " you best start believing in Ghost stories comics industries you're in one. "

@Megatron_95

3 жыл бұрын

Hoist the black flag!

@albatross4920

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot how metal that quote was🤘🏾☠

@jessejennings3828

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't accept money to read their garbage.

@kriegscommissarmccraw4205

3 жыл бұрын

The first pirates movie was amazing

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

3 жыл бұрын

“This is the day you will always remember as the day your woke garbage almost caught a fan’s purchase.”

Me in the 1995: X-Men is having a crossover event; let me save up my allowance! Me in 2018: X-Men is having a random crossover event that retcons the previous event; let me find some new manga to read

Oh, I'm sure piracy is the problem. It's probably why manga is doing *so* much better. Everyone knows *no one* pirates manga.

@andrewmcguinness1845

3 жыл бұрын

Anime, too. Anime is huge, and no one pirates it at all. There's nowhere in the entire internet to watch pirated anime.

@ottagol1985

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmcguinness1845 Okay, I get the sarcasm in both those comments.

@joaop4585

2 жыл бұрын

The sarcasm is deadly for those npcs

Comic pros have burned whatever bridge they had with customers. A situation they put themselves in.

@GameBeatenakaKevinS

3 жыл бұрын

Another good thing about manga: I have no idea if any of the manga creators are insufferable assholes like comic creators.

@revolvingworld2676

3 жыл бұрын

@@GameBeatenakaKevinS Wether they're assholes or not they at least seem to not want to fight their own fanbase. Unfortunately they're probably too busy being overworked and stressed out to worry about twitter drama.

"When the house caught fire, everybody dug a well." - Old proverb. Too little too late, Comics industry.

@samuelhunter4631

3 жыл бұрын

👌🏿

@M4dM4n96

3 жыл бұрын

69 - I concur

They can thank Kelly Sue Deconnick who once said "if you don't like my politics, don't buy my book". True comic book fans took her advice

Kelly Sue de Connick: "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my books!" Larsen: "If you can't afford a comic, don't buy it." Shot and chaser, folks.

Manga gets pirated constantly and it doesn't even put a dent in their sales.

@colmortimer1066

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many people pirate it to try it, and then end up buying it later, once they realize it is quality content?

@otbaht

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say over half do, even if they only buy their faves due to budgets.

@yangyin8492

3 жыл бұрын

@@colmortimer1066 Japanese physical stores allow people to read entire volumes in store (literally called "standing reading") and the digital stores generally have a section that give away several volumes of the manga for free. Because they know the first few volumes is a hook to get people to buy the rest.

@JimboShogun0686

3 жыл бұрын

@@colmortimer1066 if a manga becomes able to buy in the states I buy it even if I read the whole story online already

It's kinda hilarious that Eric Larson is upset at piracy. He basically says if you can't afford it, don't buy it, which is exactly what the pirates are doing.

@christophermonteith2774

3 жыл бұрын

yup

The few pirates are literally the only ones even remotely interested in these comics. Also, as a small-time indie game designer/developer, I’d happily have people pirate my games. If they liked it, they could always donate if they felt like it was worth supporting. If not, at least they tried it.

@helenastenvislavskovic

11 күн бұрын

Hey what games have you put out

Comic piracy assumes someone actually wants to read their comics.

it's not piracy that's killing the industry, it's because the writers absolutely HATE the men that have traditionally bought comics and they write comics to attack them and/or piss them off.

@GigglingStoners

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@darth3911

3 жыл бұрын

@@nexusdrop7863 If anything the two community’s are united in hatred towards trash storylines from corporate business now.

@michaelpettersson4919

3 жыл бұрын

It is like if MC Donald's hired thughs to beat the crap out of every tenths customer and then become bewildered why their sales goes down.

@davidgantenbein9362

3 жыл бұрын

@@nexusdrop7863 Fans used to fight over which IP is better … now, fans fight over which IP has it worst.

@chrislail3824

3 жыл бұрын

It’s exactly this

"Piracy is killing the comics industry!" Me: wut? Have you seen how much Manga piracy is gigantic!? And its still doing great in a foreign country!

@trenchcoatdoggo5185

3 жыл бұрын

There are literally HUNDREDS of pirate anime streaming sites that them destroying kissanime wasn't even a dent to piracy. All they did was destroy the biggest rats nest, so the rats moved to other nests to roost.

@TSPH1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@trenchcoatdoggo5185 shiver me timbers shiver me shore. It's a pirate's life for me

@samuelhunter4631

3 жыл бұрын

@@TSPH1992 Arrrr!!!! ☠️

@revolvingworld2676

3 жыл бұрын

One Piece is probably the most pirated manga which is thematically perfect. (Although even the pirates dont put a dent in its sales)

@brpadington

3 жыл бұрын

The most pirated media is the most successful. Manga has rampant piracy and booming sales. SJW comics have no piracy and no sales.

Look at manga creators interviews, almost all the time they say: "I know people pirate my stuff but if you enjoy it please support it - buy merch and next chapter, Thank You". That is a difference

"If you can't afford it than do without"... I like how he basically admits he hasn't lost a single sale here. The person who can't afford it isn't going to buy it.

If your entire industry can be utterly GLASSED by a single series, something's gone horribly wrong on how you do things.

@vsmithsmith7848

3 жыл бұрын

One Piece: *laughs in Gum Gum Pistol*

@335chr

3 жыл бұрын

Glassed by a Completed single series

@darkhorseman90

3 жыл бұрын

@@335chr Demon Slayer: *laughs in Breathing Style*

Steve Harvey: give me a reason why the comics industry is dying Comics SJWs - piracy Steve Harvey - you said piracy. Survey says……….. ❌❌

@goldedrag111

3 жыл бұрын

More like the thousandth one.

@RoseKindred

3 жыл бұрын

Patriarchy ❌ Piracy ❌❌ Fans ❌❌❌ I am sorry: KZread you have 1 attempt at a steal, give me a reason why the comics industry is dying. KZreadr: SJW Grifting agenda. 💲 💲 💲

@matthewr1207

3 жыл бұрын

It's the damn price. $5+ for like 20 pages counting both sides (10 double sided pages). I can buy a 300 page book for $7.99 and I'll reread it for years. I'll lose the comic book when the staples comes out and I loose 30% of the pages. I got a bunch of comic books, books that are each 50+ pages that were like $10-$20 and I love it cuz it's a hard cover that I've had for over 9 years now

It really is odd that the one who is claiming that the industry needs SALES and MONEY is the one caught between the binary of piracy vs not buying. Neither of these solves the problem HE brought up. Meanwhile, a customer is trying to talk to him about how to get SALES which lead to MONEY and he gets pissed off and dismisses the entire idea of trying to encourage sales as a solution. But okay, tell people to not buy the book at all instead of pirating. "Don't buy my book". I feel like I've heard that before, but go ahead and see if it works for you...

They'll make JSG a villain someday. That's when you'll know that he made it.

Literally all Manga can be "pirated" through scanlation sites and has been pirated that way for years. Yet Manga still sells more legal copies than Comics..... by massive margins in almost every place except Europe (where the local BDs still hold their own against Manga). American Comics suck. Piracy isn't the cause of their demise. If people are pirating comics, it's likely old back issues from a time when they didn't suck.

@dpray96

3 жыл бұрын

Only time I've read mangas I didn't pay for was through archives, and through fan localizations. Piracy is mostly the result of a service issue.

@furnoprime9439

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bacteriophagebs Sadly yeah. I believe the reason for that is so you're forced to buy their new comics and not the old stuff because let's be real here: If people had a choice between buying black girl Iron-Man comics and the OG Iron-Man comics, the sales would be so one-sided that one side would be burrowing into the blasted ground by the weight of the sales its made.

@panchotz100

3 жыл бұрын

Hell is 100 times easier to find manga than comics on the internet lmao

@Sovaltair

3 жыл бұрын

Belgian and French comic books still hold up alright

I had a dream the other night where DC and Marvel went crazy and let anyone write whatever they want, as long as it was not super explicit (like just straight porn, gorefests, etc.) for all their characters for a year. Then at the end of the year held a poll on which stories the fans liked the best to make those stories canon for the next year.

@MK_ULTRA420

3 жыл бұрын

The well has already been poisoned so you'll just get stuff like Batman making out with Joker while Harley Quinn saves Gotham from Nazi Darkseid who looks like Trump.

@b_g_c3281

3 жыл бұрын

@Keoki Wood I would be absolutely down for that! _"...Let the Games Begin!...."_

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MK_ULTRA420 Yea, unfortunately the inmates are already running those asylums as their creative staffs have already been thoroughly infested and/or converted to the far left. They've already purged the talent that made their comics great back in the day so even if Keoki's dream comes true, you're absolutely right, it would only be even more of the same far left woke nonsense that has already put the Western comics industry on life support to begin with.

I miss the good old days when comic pros just wanted to make a good book. Now all the want to do is preach at us and scold us. Its sad to see guys like Larsen and the other image crew fall so low

My thought is, "Why buy each individual issue at £3 - £4 per issue when I can just wait and buy the volume for less than half the cost of the full run." A 12 issue run of comics will cost me around £40 - £48, whilst the volume containing that entire run will cost me around £20 - £24. So why should I buy the individual issues? Unless your stuff is that amazing that I feel I need to keep up with it week to week, I'm going to just wait and take the cheaper option. Either that or go get invested in something else that is actually worth my time. Also on the note of piracy, people pirate stuff they wont but don't have a cheap or accessible way to get hold of. Shutting the pirates down without providing a solid legal alternative just means that most of those people who were pirating will lose interest in the product rather than change to a legal means of aquiring it for as long as they feel it's either too expensive or too much of a hassle to consume.

@christophermonteith2774

3 жыл бұрын

yup, not to mention a lot of pirate sites also have things that aren't available to buy at all in a given language, and sometimes never will be

@dpray96

3 жыл бұрын

“The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. ... It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.” -GN

@christophermonteith2774

3 жыл бұрын

@@dpray96 yup

@slyaspie4934

3 жыл бұрын

Yup same here, also you don't waste your money finding out several issues in it's garbage, by the time TPB is out you'll be able to look up reviews on on the whole run. There's so much they could legally sell to make money on old stuff but the service for digital isn't there with them or it expensive, yet it can be easily got on pirate, they're letting money go to waste

@creamednut7199

3 жыл бұрын

Finally an intelligent response instead of one that just screeches and blames the "woke sjws" for killing the comic book industry. It's worth noting a volume of manga will cost you about the same as an American comic book but you don't have to worry about spending $50 across a new event that's gonna be rebooted and gonna be made unless by the next year

These whiny comics pros don't understand what accountability is so they just blame other things. Piracy is a small reason why comics fail.

@mindaugasstankus5943

3 жыл бұрын

Piracy never have been even a small reason something to fail, always are/was service and availability problem and BS excuses.

Piracy can actually lead to sells if they, you know, ENJOY your content, it's honestly more questionable who's pirating they're shit, I mean, even pirates have standards

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

I pirated Daredevil in the past, and now I have spent over 50$ on Daredevil comics

@sarasunshinemt4444

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I would check out manga and anime that way. If I liked it, I would buy it when it became available in the states, or picked it up when I had the extra $. To be honest, I haven't much cared about any comic, manga, anime or movie is so damn long, I haven't bothered to even look. I'd rather read.

@armi999

3 жыл бұрын

I know I have checked out the first couple of chapters of a Manga and ended up buying it.

@tabithaalphess2115

3 жыл бұрын

I do this with books all the time. If I like it, I buy the physical copy. Or in the case of something like manga, I can't afford to buy every book, so I get my favorites, support the movies, or buy merch

@davetycho8330

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. There is a whole bunch of anime, light novels, manga, and soundtracks I never would have known about and bought if I didn’t see them on pirate sites first.

This just comes off as someone who reeeaaally doesn't want to admit they're wrong.

“Piracy is why comics are dying” do they know how many people pirate manga? Or anime? The difference is that there are more people buying than there are pirating. There’s nothing to pirate in the first place because it’s so difficult getting into comics to begin with, to the point where I’d rather watch someone on KZread explain a characters backstory rather than buy 10 comics that I’m not even sure share the same continuity

@slyaspie4934

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly it's just as easy to get manga yet manga is out selling the garbage they put out

@JujuInFlames

3 жыл бұрын

@@slyaspie4934 exactly. And marvel won’t realize that because they base quality on how many check marks their staff and comics check off

@slyaspie4934

3 жыл бұрын

@@JujuInFlames Fans and certain writers / artists have been saying for ages that what's really killing the industry is bad stories, terrible artwork, a high price point, woke politics and certain people brought into the industry because they're "woke", who act entitled and antagonise existing fans is what's killing comics.

@JujuInFlames

3 жыл бұрын

@@slyaspie4934 and that’s exactly right. Bad people, bad writes, bad hiring methods, bad artwork. The whole things gone down the drain. No wonder everyone jumps to anime instead

We all experienced piracy from one or more angles. We all remember buying that thing once pirated out of honor. It is not piracy that hurts them. It's their quality.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I've got so much pirated music and old ROMs on my computer that I'm ever so slowly working on getting legal copies of, which, in my defense, most of that was pirated at a time when there _weren't_ legal ways to own it. No that more of that material is being released in legal formats through legitimate channels, I'm more than willing to hand over a couple bucks when I can to replace the pirated versions with legal ones, especially since more often than not, the official releases are much higher quality than the old ones I downloaded.

@christophermonteith2774

3 жыл бұрын

yup, heck, I only bought certain things because of pirating them first, or some other free test runs, I guess you could call it

One small edit, JSG. You say people are willing to pay for what they want, and I would add, "people are willing to pay for what they want AND enjoy." There is no joy in what they are selling.

@darkhorseman90

3 жыл бұрын

addendum: *and enjoy/or criticize. example: some people who make new game/movie/comic reviews on YT, like the ones JSG actually reviews

I’m so tired of comic pros saying “if you don’t like it/can’t afford it, don’t buy it!”. This one sentence is what’s killing the comic industry.

Erik Larson has no self-awareness with these tweets be probably thinks "owned" someone... Well, he is a comic pro. I guess that's not just to be expected, it's pretty much a stereotype at this point.

"Comics are doing better than ever" - The Entire Western Comics Industry While Insulting Customers & Not Making Books for the Type of People Who Built the Entire Industry In the 1st Place...

@TSPH1992

3 жыл бұрын

In Europe it's quite thriving. Especially on the French and Italian, Eastern European front. But they are not well known. They even took some influence from mangakas Dam. They got some gems coming out lately. The best part is. I am not dependent on just one market to get what I want. I could just go back to my roots

@Zeburaman2005

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, mainly the American comics industry being filled with elitist douche bags, while the Franco-Belgian and Italian industries have been thriving along side manga for the past 3 to 4 decades.

@TSPH1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zeburaman2005 indeed. They just adapted different business strategies back in the 90's

@Zeburaman2005

3 жыл бұрын

@@TSPH1992 Exactly. Not to mention that the kind of non super heroes centred publications like Transmetropolitan, Preacher, and all that was published through Vertigo in the USA is firmly part of the mainstream over here, while super heroes inspired comics represent but a tiny fraction of the overall market. When you think that the Western comic genre is still going strong to this day with series such as Bonelli's Tex or Lucky Luke, whereas in America it was buried a long time ago with the rise of Marvel and DC, you can get a pretty accurate idea of how rich and diversified the industry is in Europe. And that's not even touching on how much artistic freedom creators have, which to me is the main issue with the American industry trying to force alternative narratives in the highly codified genre of super heroes that either isn't particularly fit to tell them or would require exceptionally talented and knowledgeable creators to pull them off. Too bad both American giants did their best to get rid of the ones they had, in favour of pushing insincere identity politics values.

@DonVigaDeFierro

3 жыл бұрын

@@TSPH1992 The French alone have always produced really fuckin' good stuff. I haven't checked lately, but there was always something worth reading.

You can’t download a cow or milk but you can try it out for free, if you like it you buy it. Almost everything has a full free versions but entertainment and or digital media, piracy is natural and has being proven to do more help than harm, you get a lot of free and better exposure of your comics, if people pirate it and don’t buy it then your product is probably horrible, most “pirates” buy the products when they can.

@harbl99

3 жыл бұрын

Funny thing. If you make something good a lot of people will _want_ to give you money for it, even if it's free. I've made freeware stuff before, and people have contacted me asking for a way to throw me a few bucks for it, just because it was useful/fun for them. I've known bands who _give away_ their music as a loss leader coz they know they'll more than make the money back on merch, ticket sales, completionist fans wanting physical copies, etc. Poor pathetic comics pros are caught in a scarcity mentality, not an abundance one.

@AscendantStoic

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and funny think Eric doesn't know anything about Kill 6 Billion Demons which is available as a web comic for free while also being sold as trades by none other than Image Comics itself, if anything this gesture alone (along side the amazing art and world building) makes me want to buy the book to support the creator, maybe Eric could learn a thing or two from them.

@thefool8224

3 жыл бұрын

@@harbl99 .i still remember sseth video about starsector, he put an actual working CD key on it. and what did people do? went to the site and bought the game anyway, crashing it the same weekend due to traffic. if the stuff is great, people will buy. then you have games that are utter garbage no one even bothers to pirate, like the avengers game

@Ankoku9999

3 жыл бұрын

@@ForeverLaxx the second is not only the "wasn't going to buy" it includes the "The producer doesn't see them as a market" like all the Hispanics in the American continent as an excellent proof just look for Nintendo configuration of region try putting central or south America and see how is impossible to do anything. Manga and anime are extremely popular but limited to certain markets so then piracy and the punchline is how incredibly competent are fansubs that pirate those shows and manga (is amazing how supposedly randos does better at the job than professional companies)

No your not just some guy. You’re the black jesus for the long-forgotten buyers of american comics. You are the truth.

The current entertainment industry is kind of amazing. Companies like Marvel, DC, WB, Disney / Lucasfilm going out of their way to to piss people off and talk crap about their customers. Trying so hard to alienate long time fans then putting out stuff that nobody asked for, stuff nobody wants. These same people then sit there wondering why they're not making any money.

KZreadrs have been predicting this looming crisis for the past year or longer. These imperious "pros" have had it coming.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

Much longer, in fact. Many KZreadrs who are either former employees of the industry or heavily invested customers (Clownfish TV, Nerdrotic, YoungRippa59, etc.) have been saying this was coming since at least 2016 when the entertainment industries really started losing their collective minds after the Ghostbusters 2016 debacle and leaders of various industries and corporations took the exact wrong lessons from Sony's farce and decided their long time and loyal fans were the enemy.

Being a pirate is great. And honestly, I would do it before I buy the product. I’d read some pages before deciding and if it’s worth it, I’ll buy it. If not, I’ll skip it. I know there are some good comics out there hiding or some old comics that are actually good storytelling. I do this with manga as well. I read a few chapters and if worth it, I buy it.

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

I did pirate in the past, but I would go buy the comics I liked

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

One pirate can inform the whole community so they can decide whether or not to buy it. A pirate who can do solid reviews that is.

@littlebee7147

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I don't want viruses so I'm content being a library reader. There's so much manga out now that I don't need to pirate anymore.

@littlebee7147

3 жыл бұрын

@Togos Na70 I lump malware and ransomware along with that statement and you easily get those from ads not going through adsense. With all the stuff you're clicking through in those sites, it's hard to tell if you approved something to be installed on your PC without your knowledge. Either way, I used to reinstall my OS every few months because it adds to bloat. Luckily I never got a backdoor-type over the years because getting rid of those is annoying.

I thought, "if you don't like my politics don't buy my book" then we didn't and now you get all bitter.

News like this makes me feel a few ways. As a guy whos aspiring towards making comics as a career, it makes me partly concerned about whether or not this dream will still be doable (I wasn’t necessarily thinking of working for marvel or dc mind you, if anything I’m leaning towards independency). It makes me sad that this is how 2 more media titans that enjoyed during my childhood may fall. It also makes me hopeful, because despite the American mainstreams failings the comic industry is still alive as has been proven time and time again by manga. It tells me that there still is a hunger for comics, they still can be profitable, they still can perform well.

"This was a new update to the NPCs in the comic industry." Nice 👌

The idea of someone bothering to pirate this crap is quite amusing

@johntitor1256

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe some people want coloured toilet paper, who knows.

"If you can't afford it, do without." ...That still means you get no money.

Awfully presumptuous of these people to think they have anything _worth_ pirating at this point.

"Ya'r ya' yellow-bellied sea snake, that's a load a barnacles and'ja know it!!!"

To me Piracy is more like an "Advanced Demo" to see if it's worth it. I have bought games on Steam and barely touched it because I've already played it and just wanted to give my money to the devs to support them.

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Better to have a comic in your hands

@EmperorTyrael

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bolbi145 Physical copies means more clutter in the house.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

@@EmperorTyrael Physical media is immune to retroactive censorship and editing. My physical copies of pre-special edition Star Wars will never be tainted with crappy CGI, for example. My physical music CDs will still have their original lyrics without being censored or "recontextualized" to be less offensive to thin skinned idiots. My physical game carts and discs that came out before digital distribution will always have whatever "problematic" content that Twitter hates this week, whether it be pixelated blood, digital titties or whatever. Same goes for books and comics - the digital versions can be endlessly edited, censored or otherwise changed without your knowledge or consent, but physical prints can't.

@EmperorTyrael

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dargonhuman A good point, but there will always be a way to get the uncensored and unedited previous versions.

They always need to find a scape goat to shift the blame from themselves.

I can't imagine a single person pirating the Hellfire Gala event.

Pirating comics is how I was able to read comics because my family didn't have enough money to spare for it, then i bought a marvel unlimited subscription because it was cheaper.

@harrymills2770

3 жыл бұрын

When my family didn't have enough for comics, I did without comics.

@matman329

3 жыл бұрын

@@harrymills2770 and?

@trenchcoatdoggo5185

3 жыл бұрын

@@matman329 do you enjoy the current state of the comics industry?

@matman329

3 жыл бұрын

@@trenchcoatdoggo5185 Not really, while there are some good books being made, Dc and Marvel have dropped alot in quality , from plots where the political message ruins a story to Characters who are supposed to be heros acting like assholes. I'll still try to support the industry, buy the industry is making it hard to do so.

@kyleowen5299

3 жыл бұрын

It's best to, as a certain Disney princess once sang: "Let it go"

"Don't be an asshole." That's impossible for them.

@DarsiPadilla

3 жыл бұрын

Of course it's impossible. They must be of the family that manages the ship known as Spaceball 1.

As a kid I was given a subscription to Amazing Spider-Man for my birthday. I wasn't able to read an entire storyline the entire year the subscription was good for due to it jumping around all the other Spidey titles, so screw them for screwing me.

*I’m old enough to remember 2017* _I’m_ old to remember the 1990s, when first the music, and then the movie, industries screamed the exactly the same thing: Piracy is killing us! Never mind that back then no one actually pirated movies because they took three damn days to download. Then what happened? They adapted, and we got streaming services.

I've literally never met a fan of Manga who hasn't read a scanlation.. I don't know anyone who reads or would bother to pirate a comic book. Why would piracy account for MORE of the lesser selling industry than the higher selling one?

@BrightWulph

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention for some manga all you can read is a fantranslation, because not all manga gets popular outside of Japan.

@brasteen1

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph Literally the entire reason the book and anime series Legend of the Galactic Heroes gained a fanbase in the west was because of fan subs of the anime. It would've never gotten officially licensed if it wasn't for that.

@ShadowWolfXIII

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrightWulph or a publisher company died before it finished a series and no one picked it up or they just say Fuck it and didn't finish it looking at tokyopop for both

@BrightWulph

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShadowWolfXIII Yep, in cases liek those, manga/anime is lucky to get out of production limbo. I've been lucky enough to read a few fantranslations of manga's that were completed by friends of the mangaka, but the tone shift in the story and characters was really jarring. So I'm glad they never got picked up, as unfortunate as it is.

If I want someone to MAKE MORE of something I will demand they TAKE MY MONEY. The comic book industry can EAT DIRT.

Whatever makes them feel like it wasn't their fault, those people will never admit their own responsibility, and so, they'll continue to fail. It doesn't matter if they continue to fail upwards (or some cases, sideways), the ladder eventually runs out and they won't be able to keep escalating further because the upper echelons are already taken and they're scarcer, only a handful of them will survive, the others will then finally start falling down to the pits where they belong.

This video is absolutely perfect. It would be impossible to explain it any better.

A lot of times piracy rates correlate to sales rates. The more a product gets pirated generally the better it does on the open market anyway. Game of Thrones is one of many examples. Also much of what is pirated doesn't take away from sales, because those folks pirating often wouldn't have bought the product anyway (if the bootleg was not available) Also also, in tangent with the first point, the rate of piracy of sjw content is probably lower than its sales.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

There's obviously no way of knowing for certain, but it's estimated that more than half of people who pirate media end up paying for legit copies of it, and the rest, as you said, wouldn't have been a customer to begin with or pirated it because they couldn't afford the media.

They could'a had me buying comics again if they hadn't turned Static into a dumpster fire.

@AmuroRay007

3 жыл бұрын

Was at the comic store earlier and they had New Static up front by the register where they put new releases. Hurt me to see such a cherished place disgrace itself with such trash. Some guy bought it and I regret not telling him what travesty awaited him.

When I was a kid, I used to buy comic reprints in black and white with nice covers but cheap paper, and saved up to buy the color originals for the really good storylines.

8:08 Nice, historical callback! If you get this reference you're a cool guy!

Newsflash for Erik Larson. Money he gets if I don't buy his comics: 0. Money he gets if I pirate his comics: 0. He would be better served by asking those interested in his comics to please buy them.

Odd, the video came out 6 minutes, is 10 minutes long, and two people already downvoted. Some people are not acting in good faith here. Actual comment, a great video. It always surprises me just how filled to the brim with hubris comic artists can be. It is like Schrodinger's artist, both simultaneously trying to sell a product and not sell that product at the same time, only to be instantly resolved when you look at the stuff they say online. I'm not sure why they feel so entitled to a customer's money that they feel quite sincerely they can do no wrong. If you want a healthy industry you have to get rid of bad actors that are, collectively, dragging down the state of comics to new lows.

This is why people either pirate the comics, wait for trades to come out, read indie comics/webcomics or read manga. The people who said "if you can't buy my work, it's not for you", piracy is killing the comic industry, or so on, never thought about people who are unable to afford every issue every week while trying to scrape by and the way to read the comics is by piracy. A number of things like shows, movie, music, anime and so on get pirated. For instance, Crunchyroll used to be a site to watch pirated anime before it became mainstream.

6:54 That "bright burning light" was the bridges they were burning before the flames took over the industry itself.

Anime has some of the most pirating of any industry and is a massive success so this argument is braindead

@dimmest88

3 жыл бұрын

This is how I see it, they pirate manga to see if they like it, and if they do then they buy it later or get a subscription to Shonen Jump

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Unstoppable brand synergy from what I heard, the likes of which I have never seen

@talgazit2224

3 жыл бұрын

@@dimmest88 no a lot of the pirating was the result of 4kids and later Funimation censorship and people decided not to switch back afterwards

@DonVigaDeFierro

3 жыл бұрын

Don't take the Copium away from them. Or do... It's funnier to watch them struggle to explain the situation they put themselves into.

@dimmest88

3 жыл бұрын

@@talgazit2224 well that too

Meanwhile, manga and anime are amongst the most pirated forms of entertainment -- yet they dominate the western market.

@christianramirez6578

3 жыл бұрын

Iconic is that most of the pirated manga and anime are from Japan.

A couple discount stores near me got huge shipments of comics, DC and Marvel, months ago. They still haven't even sold half of them, they're down to about a dollar or less and still next to no one is buying them.

Another great video! A couple of points that hit me: Manga and anime are hard to compare to Western comics, since the authors/artists and animators in Japan (not to mention assistants), work long hours for pretty much diddly/squat, going back to the legendary Osamu Tezuka himself, who didn't need the money and put more emphasis on getting his stories out rather than making a living from them (one of the industry's controversies). Unfortunately, that sort of 'set the bar' for what the industry was willing to pay creators from then on. Imagine if the undisputed top athlete in a major sport decided he 'only' needed to be paid a few hundred thou, since he'd make his millions from endorsements and other activities outside of the sport itself, or he came from a wealthy family in the first place. What would other teams be likely to offer players who weren't as talented? It's something like that. It's a whole big issue on its own, so It's probably good that you didn't go into it in depth here; it probably would have just distracted from the point you were making. Speaking of that point, I also find it baffling that artists are trying to appeal to the far-left who are generally Marxist/Socialist, or, at the very least, anti-capitalist, and then asking them to PAY for things. The very core of the ideology is that everything they want and need should be free (or at least paid for by someone else), and ownership of property, physical or intellectual, is wrong. In defense of the SINCERE authors and artists, I'm all for telling the stories and creating the art that YOU want to create, even if it's not something I'm interested in. I'm all about individual expression. HOWEVER, if your work primarily appeals to people who are unable, or unwilling, to pay for it, you need to take that into account and adopt a business/financial strategy that can compensate. There are always some 'free-riders' but in general, people will pay for things they value, and you may need to provide value to other people, or in other ways, to continue supporting your creativity for the people who can't/won't support you for it. Thanks again, always looking forward to your perspective!

Ain't nobody pirating that shit. People only pirate good stuff, you know, like Manga...

Manga is pirated huge and it didn’t stop it from overtaking western comics

@NoxArcani-z4u

3 жыл бұрын

Well said Brother.

@Bolbi145

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t know much about Manga or Anime, but I can say they have unstoppable brand synergy, the likes of which have never been seen

Half of these "professionals" don't believe in property rights anyway, so why should they be paid? I'm sure the "pirates" needed the comics more than them.

7:25 please Erik, don’t give me any hope.

They are "getting on with the times" only in terms of the politics. How media is consumed and marketed is something they cannot be bothered with and it is the pesky youngsters not fitting to antiquated industry standards.

@Dargonhuman

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. It might be different now, but last time I looked, Marvel's digital publishing and distribution method was an utter joke. I was actually interested in it when I finally had a job and some disposable income, but when I learned that I needed to pay for a monthly subscription, pay for each title individually, then download their buggy and barely functional proprietary viewer program because the digital files were some sort of weird file type that could only be read by their viewer I was like, "My God, this doesn't need to be this complicated or expensive! They're just f-ing comic books!" By that point, the webcomics industry had basically perfected digital distribution/publication and had even figured out clever anti-piracy and monetization methods but because the pros didn't consider them "real comics" (as if their titles and companies all didn't have very similar humble roots...), they pretended those didn't exist and tried their own stupidly designed methods that didn't work.

"Piracy is service problem." - Gabe Newell

The industry needs a scapegoat to blame for their own failures. They are faultless and guiltless, so the collapse has to be someone else's actions, not theirs.

I read a pirated series in 7th grade. I loved it so much that I’m currently buying the whole thing legitimately so I can have physical copies. Without piracy, I never would have known about it. In some cases, piracy is making the industry money.

One could look at the game industry where privacy actually helps. Often someone who pirates the game is willing to buy the game again or the sequel. It all comes down to pricing, people aren’t willing to buy overprice stuff if they aren’t sure they will like it. It’s no different with comics

“You don’t like my politics then don’t buy my book. Simple. Problem solved.” - Kelly Sue Deconnick

@ComicBookGuy420

3 жыл бұрын

Challenge accepted

When I used to buy the Savage Dragon I wanted the floppy. Not a TPB. Not digital. Man that was a long time ago.

"That's my line, Eric! You're stealing my lines!!" 😂 Oh God, another great video. I would imagine i'm a fairly unique subscriber. I'm in my late 30's, i'm a huge nerd, but i never really got into comics. I read a bunch of the spawn early comics, because my brother had them. I thought he was edgy and cool, so I bought the 3 animated spawn movies. I had to special order them at suncoast video in a friggin mall back in the day. They were pretty amazing. I also read a few Impulse comics my friend had. That's about it. I consumed all the MCU movies later when they started coming out(even the Ang Lee Hulk movie), I still thought Infinity War should have been where they stopped. It was amazing, the good guys lost. it like was a breath of fresh air. Oh Well. So a couple months ago i started thinking about buying some comics, I have some disposable income and figured i would dump it into some good stories. I really dig Green Lantern(i liked him in the justice league animated movie and the Flashpoint movie) so i thought about buying a bunch of old books(from like the 90's and moving forward, because today's comics look like dog shit) en masse. Just buy like the whole damn run and just go through them like an anthology or something. Then I saw how many they were, had no good idea where to start, considered buying the online thing so i could just read them digitally, but I still had no good starting point. So I gave up. I could walk into a comic store and just start buying the Green Lantern books, but i would be willing to bet the current run is fucking garbage, so I just said never mind. Because the current stuff sucks, I see no reason to go buy the old stuff and read all the way up to the current stuff. I thought about pirating the books, but I don't pirate stuff to begin with and wouldn't know where to start. So I gave up. I was a potential comic buyer and reader, but decided to just say fuck it.