Gondor in Transition: A Forced Allegory

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Gondor in Transition: A Forced Allegory
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  • @Rinesmyth
    @Rinesmyth2 жыл бұрын

    "Evil cannot create, only can corrupt what already exists" is one of the many themes Tolkien has in his works. This "seminar" is a perfect portrayal of such a theme.

  • @URMyNewTV

    @URMyNewTV

    2 жыл бұрын

    If they don't believe in the bible, why do they behave like a plague? Checkmate wokeists.

  • @welcometoperonia6572

    @welcometoperonia6572

    2 жыл бұрын

    This postmodernist hack is like wormtongue, twisting the words of wisdom to further its own sick agenda.

  • @URMyNewTV

    @URMyNewTV

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@welcometoperonia6572 Eowyn: "Your words are poison!" Woketongues: "You're not an ally! Gendertraitor! Cancel her! Ree!"

  • @welcometoperonia6572

    @welcometoperonia6572

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@URMyNewTV I love the term "woketongue", I hope someone like Gary from Nerdrotic or Jeremy from Geeks+GAmers adopt it.

  • @URMyNewTV

    @URMyNewTV

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@welcometoperonia6572 Or Kneon or Geeky Sparkles from Clownfish TV. "These f~ing woketongues have canceled another redhead! Sorry, mom!" :)

  • @artemprotectron
    @artemprotectron2 жыл бұрын

    These people are not fans or nerds, they are activists. It's almost like people don't understand what infiltration tactics are. Sam and Frodo: We're best friends. Wokeists: *Those two are gay.*

  • @wolfbane7497

    @wolfbane7497

    2 жыл бұрын

    These people make me want to drink even harder than critical drinker and that guy. Drink so much alcohol it'll put you into a coma drinking his daily dose of alcohol.

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes my wrathful imagination brings me images of them being shot for trying to destroy one of my several loving franchises. They succeeded to destroy Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who and others. They are going to destroy J.R.R. Tolkein's works. I will not shed a single tear when they leave this world.

  • @ethanhinton4549

    @ethanhinton4549

    2 жыл бұрын

    They no longer believe in 5hings like friendship. All relationships are power plays, sexual, and/or both.

  • @BalrogUdun

    @BalrogUdun

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wolfbane7497 get the toilet duck

  • @Anoneeemouse

    @Anoneeemouse

    2 жыл бұрын

    They are Marxists.

  • @shazam1408
    @shazam14082 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien said out loud and in writing multiple times, "I don't like allegory." The subtext is pretty much "Read the story. Hope you enjoy it."

  • @georgethompson1460

    @georgethompson1460

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tolkiens subtext is "I like trees"

  • @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@georgethompson1460 Yeah, one of the things that inspired him to write a book was the fact that when he returned from the war to his home, the place was completely industrialized and all nature was dead.

  • @aslemartinsen5284

    @aslemartinsen5284

    Жыл бұрын

    There is no subtext. Allegory is in itself a subtext. Tolkien didn't like it, as you said.

  • @Phoenixryu
    @Phoenixryu2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a trans person and it's been a while since I last had the opportunity to read the books; when I did, however, I didn't pick up any trans context anywhere in the books. Nor did I find it necessary to redefine the works to fit my life etc. They are just great books about an ancient past that might have been. They don't need to be more than that.

  • @sigmacademy

    @sigmacademy

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a reader that likes to check for deeper meanings in literature and media, and the thing I got from the books was the world building aspect (far more extensive than you'd usually find in fantasy) and the meaning (and power) of friendship, both at its best and worst. The books clearly illustrate people at their best and people at their worst and the consequences of that choice for each. If someone wanted to make a claim based on the better and worse nature of people in general, that would have been a much better point to start of with if you wanted to find parallels to other stories or looking for unstated truths.

  • @Semeyaza

    @Semeyaza

    2 жыл бұрын

    So you are, basically, a sane person, capable of coherent and autonomous thought. Can we have more of you on the planet and less of that "scholar", please? ;)

  • @samkershaw8474
    @samkershaw84742 жыл бұрын

    "I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Tolkien.

  • @MegaPokefan97

    @MegaPokefan97

    2 жыл бұрын

    This

  • @saberteck4176

    @saberteck4176

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hammerofdavey what's sad is that they'll probably start canceling him, like they did that to Stan Lee as soon as he died. So them targeting Tolkien himself once the fandom rejects the wokeness is inevitable.

  • @WaffleStomper69

    @WaffleStomper69

    2 жыл бұрын

    I thought there was a quote from him related to this. Good memory.

  • @DarkAdonisVyers

    @DarkAdonisVyers

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@saberteck4176 Let them boycott. The woke cultists pushing themselves out of the fandom would be a good thing.

  • @meduseldtales3383

    @meduseldtales3383

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, and "I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." This is applicability, not allegory.

  • @Biostasis5x7
    @Biostasis5x72 жыл бұрын

    "Being able to speak doesn't make one intelligent."-Qui-gon

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    LOL! That is very wise.

  • @urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752

    @urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣👍

  • @marshmallowvampire8503

    @marshmallowvampire8503

    2 жыл бұрын

    Liberals: "freedome of speech.", "Freedom of expression.", "identity" Ben Shapiro: "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent."

  • @sanstheelumbu

    @sanstheelumbu

    2 жыл бұрын

    The ability to speak doesnt make you intellegent But that still applies

  • @Biostasis5x7

    @Biostasis5x7

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sanstheelumbu You are probably right. I honestly havent seen episode 1 for a decade or more. I can't survive the idiocy.

  • @Maybeyoudorho
    @Maybeyoudorho2 жыл бұрын

    This woman speaks as though she’s heard the voice of God and what she’s speaking is profound, groundbreaking and sacred. I want her to come back to REALITY and realize she’s talking about LGBTQ in LORD OF THE RINGS

  • @saberwarthog
    @saberwarthog2 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of an old joke : 2 students are at an author public interview, and when they got the mike, they ask him a question : "- Our literature teacher said that in your book, you use the colour blue when you describe the shutters of your hero's bedroom windows as a way to express his melancholia to come, is that true ?" "- Your teacher is full of shit, I just like blue."

  • @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like this.

  • @captc0ck5lap60
    @captc0ck5lap602 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien: *Provides articulate, in-depth descriptions of his intent and the meaning behind what he wrote* Some lunatic decades later: "No one is qualified to interpret the text... _except me."_

  • @sambonsampson228

    @sambonsampson228

    2 жыл бұрын

    They want to de-Tolkienise Tolkien, gut his works and set up some self-projected Frankenstein-like abomination.

  • @MrCenturion13

    @MrCenturion13

    2 жыл бұрын

    Identify a respected institution. Kill it. Gut it. Wear its skin as a suit and demand respect. Same old pattern. Joke's on them.

  • @sigmacademy

    @sigmacademy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Mal - 4X Todesbote They already have. You are already seeing modern works by people from a certain political affiliation getting their books pulled, just like you see show pitches being rejected out of hand for not "ticking the right boxes". They only tolerate (some) classic works because it's useful to them. Once its usefulness runs out, they will find a "too much of a problematic nature" that requires total destruction of it, I'm sure. They care for nothing and value nothing, other than use it to gain more personal power. They have no need for dead wood/weight, because it doesn't contribute to their thirst and pursuit of power; and having a vacuum within culture is a perfect opportunity to populate it with the "right kind" of literature or media to create a "power base". Hence, why they go after popular franchises, rather than create popular franchises. For them, to have anything exist outside of their direct control is a personal affront to them, and a cultural and commercial threat to their 'success'. :/

  • @diegogutierrez1997

    @diegogutierrez1997

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's actually funny how they are trying to play make believe in an effort to give a meaning to the works of one of the few authors ever who actually spelled word by word what his work actually means.

  • @Kuolonen

    @Kuolonen

    2 жыл бұрын

    imagine if some wannabe MALE scholar started to re-interpret female writers works. These feminist goblins would be screaming from every rooftop and doxxing the scholar. But hey because it's a woman re-interpreting mans work it's just empowering since women understand men perfectly (even the perma-virgin goblins who've never talked to a man), but no man could ever understand woman's work.

  • @Jacob_64
    @Jacob_642 жыл бұрын

    "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery"

  • @yinyangdragonx

    @yinyangdragonx

    2 жыл бұрын

    luckily there is Klingon, unfortunately for me i don't know a lick of it

  • @zacharymcmillan2788

    @zacharymcmillan2788

    2 жыл бұрын

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍

  • @theburgerking1236

    @theburgerking1236

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even as a cursory fan of Tolkien’s books I still think this is heavily projecting. I highly doubt Tolkien even knew of people who were transgender and this feels more like trying to make lord of the rings something it isn’t.

  • @V2011F

    @V2011F

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fan of the movies "Look the fans their moving!" Fan of the books: "They have buisness with Hollywood, my buisness is with the Tolkien Society tonight, with the spoken word and the written text"

  • @james-97209

    @james-97209

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@V2011F along with rock and stones

  • @geovannycamargo1282
    @geovannycamargo12822 жыл бұрын

    I bet she chose Gondor just because the word looks like "gender". And that's all. From there it's just mental gymnastics and discourse. I could do the same if I wanted to "prove" that Middlearth is a libertarian land, for instance. Or whatever hypotesis I choose. Everything is possible when you throw logic, reason, truth and reality away.

  • @dantallionmccrews3822
    @dantallionmccrews38222 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien's intended meaning of the Stewardship and Denethor is obvious, given the man's unusual anarchist/monarchist political ideals. Denethor and the Stewardship are the unworthy ruler, who feels entitled to the position and demands others to follow him. Aragorn and the Kingdom are the worthy monarch, who does not desire to rule at all but is followed by others regardless. It really is simply just that.

  • @hankhill7827

    @hankhill7827

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Aragorn and the Kingdom are the worthy monarch, who does not desire to rule at all" That is true in Peter Jackson's films which wanted to make Aragorn more relatable to modern audiences but not the case in the book. Aragorn in the book very much believes it's his right by birth and only needed the fulfilment of prophecy in the shape of Frodo to let him give up his duty of protector of the northern realm.

  • @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55

    @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55

    2 жыл бұрын

    Anarchist/monarchist sounds so incredibly stupid and contradictory...

  • @cadian101st

    @cadian101st

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 yet that is how Tolkien explicitly defined himself, he believed that only anarchy or unconstitutional monarchy were viable morally

  • @therra1101

    @therra1101

    2 жыл бұрын

    not really, Denethor was bad because of his hubris, he wanted more and more, Aragorn wanted to be a ruler, it was in all his actions, he knew who he was, but he saw it as a duty to his people, not a personal ambition, even if that was probably a part of it, his love for Arwen was a part of it too

  • @AkilanNarayanaswamy
    @AkilanNarayanaswamy2 жыл бұрын

    These people are narcissists using Tolkien to feed their narcissism

  • @wolfbane7497

    @wolfbane7497

    2 жыл бұрын

    WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING !!!!! This is literally like that scene Avatar when the scientist is trying to explain Pandora. As a living organism but the company guy is like what the heck are you people smoking out there. It's literally like that scene I really want to know what these people are smoking to be this stupid. This level of stupidity can't be taught it has to be literally literally put together by 5-year-olds and that's an insult against 5-year-olds because I know 5-year-olds I can make better sense than. These wackadoos are on the far left activist these people are literally grasping for straws.

  • @grobanworldnews4216

    @grobanworldnews4216

    2 жыл бұрын

    Using a dead man's work to selfishly advance their own agenda by reading what they want into his texts.

  • @dw620

    @dw620

    2 жыл бұрын

    To quote JRRT's grandson, Michael Tolkien, "But much of the appeal lies in the complete and consistent imaginative world, which includes characters and situations with which we can identify WITHOUT BEING BOMBARDED BY MESSAGES AND ENGINEERED LAYERS OF MEANING" (emphasis mine ; ) Guess "they" never got that message!

  • @FalkZad

    @FalkZad

    2 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY

  • @SergioLeonardoCornejo

    @SergioLeonardoCornejo

    2 жыл бұрын

    They are what authors loathe. Someone who takes pur ideas and twists them to their desires.

  • @davida.j.berner776
    @davida.j.berner7762 жыл бұрын

    That woman's arrogance is surpassed only by her ignorance.

  • @daniellindsey7025

    @daniellindsey7025

    2 жыл бұрын

    And her delusional state of mind

  • @f145hr3831jr

    @f145hr3831jr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Both go hand in hand more often than not.

  • @jpteknoman

    @jpteknoman

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@f145hr3831jr more like always. ignorance and arrogance are each the source of the other and the 2 traits are the main traits of a very large majority of humanity.

  • @Craxin01

    @Craxin01

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pseudointellectualism on proud display. Big words do not mean great thinking.

  • @opticalraven1935

    @opticalraven1935

    2 жыл бұрын

    She sounds like she's on the verge of tears. It sickens me

  • @EchoKaslana
    @EchoKaslana2 жыл бұрын

    As a LOTR fans and someone who enjoys writing, this angers me that there are people who so willing go out their way to disregard and disrespect beloved efforts, creativity and most importantly works of someone who willing allowed others to partake in their passion.

  • @joshuarichardson6529

    @joshuarichardson6529

    2 жыл бұрын

    Academic Vomit funded by taxpayer dollars.

  • @QTRBlackGarrett
    @QTRBlackGarrett2 жыл бұрын

    LOTR is a story about trying to save wholesome, good and tradition. It's NOT fucking about deconstructing shit. This "Seminar" is a perversion of Tolkien's world

  • @jordanlr1577
    @jordanlr15772 жыл бұрын

    “The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own." - Gandalf

  • @wyzasukitan

    @wyzasukitan

    2 жыл бұрын

    The accuracy gives me chills

  • @jordanlr1577

    @jordanlr1577

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wyzasukitan I can't think of a better metaphor for these people than Sauron and his orcs. They constantly have to find enemies to attack, or they start to cannibalize each other. And the more consumed by their hate they become, the more power they lose.

  • @sometimesfriendly9839

    @sometimesfriendly9839

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, great reply.

  • @joeginty2118

    @joeginty2118

    2 жыл бұрын

    Spot on

  • @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    2 жыл бұрын

    Best comment!

  • @Joemantler
    @Joemantler2 жыл бұрын

    "Texts are living, breathing things." No, they are fixed. That's why people write them down.

  • @bogey780

    @bogey780

    2 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't matter how clear and absolute a statement is made. There will always be an academic of little understanding around to make it mean something else. Take for instance, and I'm sure JSG will get to this as it's in another presentation, the Valar and how they present as male and female on Middle Earth. Tolkein states that a mortal body is like clothes to them. They pick out the body to best match their temper, male or female. The LGBTQIABABupdownstart people took that to mean that Tolkein was positing the idea that a body doesn't determine gender. They took his analogy to explain the relationship between Valar and mortal bodies and extended it to a mortal's spirit and their body. All because Tolkein couldn't imagine that 70 years later people would assert that there are infinite manners of sexual identity. Words are nothing more than a riddle that requires them to think for a solution. To make them mean what they wish it to mean.

  • @bogey780

    @bogey780

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@maxxor-overworldhero6730 yes, that's what I said.

  • @Rid3thetig3r

    @Rid3thetig3r

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. I've read LOTR many times now and get something new from it each time (because I have grown or changed) but that's how great literature should make me feel.

  • @sillypuppy5940

    @sillypuppy5940

    2 жыл бұрын

    She's conflating good characters in a story with real people. No, characters in a book don't exist and don't breathe.

  • @anonnyanonymous4800

    @anonnyanonymous4800

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a liberal activist judge…

  • @1Gr8Editrix
    @1Gr8Editrix2 жыл бұрын

    Listening to her is like listening to the ravings of someone with a very distorted sense of the world.

  • @harolddoe6453
    @harolddoe64532 жыл бұрын

    Decades ago in an undergrad literature course the professor asks for responses on the day's required reading. A female rises and starts out, "This short story reminded me of when I had my first period..." "Thank you," said the professor, "please sit down." The annoyed female huffed and puffed, "Don't you want to hear my opinion?" "You are a sophomore," said the professor, "you don't know enough to HAVE an opinion."

  • @RachelMWinship
    @RachelMWinship2 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien despised allegory. He simply wanted to create a world where little men with hairy feet, a tall elf, a badass ranger, a dwarf, and a wizard travel across the world to drop a ring in a volcano. LET THE MAN'S STORY BE A STORY!

  • @Gotten1888

    @Gotten1888

    2 жыл бұрын

    NEVER!!!! clearly the hobbits were gay, as were the rest of the fellowship!!! There is looking under the hood for deeper meaning then there is this shit.

  • @jnoirj3124

    @jnoirj3124

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gandalf's "death" and "resurrection" isn't an allegory of Jesus?

  • @RambleOn07

    @RambleOn07

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are you telling me that the Elven race isn't an allegory for transgender people?! REEEEEE

  • @enigmaodell6806

    @enigmaodell6806

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@jnoirj3124 A shared theme or similarity isn't necessarily an allegory, and he said explicitly he preferred not to write allegories so I don't think so.

  • @KelsonArwhi

    @KelsonArwhi

    2 жыл бұрын

    Personally I always found Tolkien's assertions about allegory to be a bit...how to put it... "he protesteth too much." That said, this bird's ramblings make less sense and cause my ears more discomfort than attempting to rewrite the lyrics of the Titanic theme in old Quenya and having Jar Jar Binks and Foghorn Leghorn sing the result as a duet. >_>

  • @jorgemigueltavares6041
    @jorgemigueltavares60412 жыл бұрын

    So... they think Denethor is trans. And he kills himself near the end. ...yeah I can see why they see themselves in him.

  • @vald.1617

    @vald.1617

    2 жыл бұрын

    I kinda feel bad for them, losing any sexual satisfaction, but at the same time they probably should have read the fine print before trying to completely change their identity.

  • @wesmcinerny4524

    @wesmcinerny4524

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was never a femmy man.

  • @apex2000
    @apex20002 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien was a linguist first and foremost, he says what he means! No digging required.

  • @TVMAN1997
    @TVMAN19972 жыл бұрын

    We often make fun of the teachers who say “the door was red, thus had a deeper meaning” This lady is doing exactly that, “this one chick wanted to be a warrior! Thus she was a trans female to male”

  • @mengoinggodsway9024

    @mengoinggodsway9024

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ironically those pro-trans people are anti-feminist. As someone said recently, I think it was either Think Before You Sleep or Mr. Obvious, but gendering actions is exactly what the feminists tried to break down for for a long time. The de-gendering of clothing, of sports, of toys, the desire to abolish "girls only/boys only" toy sections etc was an attempt to show "men and women are equal and can enjoy whatever they want". Now, the transgender ideologues are saying "no, no, only girls do x, only boys do y". This reinforces gender roles and ultimately undermines the original platform women had. Now, I think both sides of the debate is stupid, as I support gender roles and oppose transgenderism. But it is funny to watch the left eat themselves. It's not just confined to sports competitions.

  • @TVMAN1997

    @TVMAN1997

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mengoinggodsway9024 I would agree

  • @jayone8891
    @jayone88912 жыл бұрын

    Gondor was actually founded by a group of females in the first age, they built literally everything, it was only until the final stone was laid did the men arrive, kick down the door and steal everything and thats when the 'age of men' began - The Tolkien society, probably

  • @dynomight3855

    @dynomight3855

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can envision a Tumblr writing such a thing titling it "Return of Muh Queens"

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep, it will go like that in Amazon, but they will probably go back to the Elves era at one point. They will turn Eru, the Father, into the Mother.

  • @jayone8891

    @jayone8891

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cainabel6356 they will treat it like some big real too to 'aubvert our expectations'

  • @DonVigaDeFierro

    @DonVigaDeFierro

    2 жыл бұрын

    Heh. I remember a group of triggered feminists learning that *"man"* is actually unisex and synonym with *"human":* Turns out, the old English word for "male human" is actually *"wermann",* and you can see the "wer" (or wær) noun surviving in the old English word *"werwulf"* (werewolf). The old English word for female human is *"wīfmann",* and you can see the *"wīf"* noun surviving in the modern word *"wife".* The word *"human"* is borrowed from Latin *"humanus"* (from "hūmus" meaning earth or dirt) but it stuck in English because ends in -man. So, nothing about excluding the WAHMEN, but stupid feminists only *assume* that that's the case and get mad at their own assumptions without bothering to look at the facts.

  • @andresanguianozuniga6798

    @andresanguianozuniga6798

    2 жыл бұрын

    And they will contradict themselves saying that females are trans and that make them Men Just to not having cis women cuz Diversity.

  • @Barada73
    @Barada732 жыл бұрын

    The wording of her “argument” is intentionally designed to be confusing and complicated. It’s a classic snow job, designed to make the listener get so weary from the word salad that they don’t even want to come up with a counter argument. Because you can’t create a counter argument to meaningless nonsense.

  • @jasonkyler

    @jasonkyler

    2 жыл бұрын

    I don't care how many advanced degrees exist...there aren't enough of them to work as "dressing" to cover this word salad nonsense.

  • @Kalashee

    @Kalashee

    2 жыл бұрын

    THANK. YOU.

  • @soupycolumbo6977

    @soupycolumbo6977

    2 жыл бұрын

    At many points, the word salad sounds like an algorithm trying to imitate a person. I guess NPCs can't pass the Turing Test.

  • @jasonkyler

    @jasonkyler

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@soupycolumbo6977 That would explain so much and is the only way I can make sense of any of this. Thank you?

  • @jasonkyler

    @jasonkyler

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nikkibrowning4546 Hahahahahahahah!!! Or at least that's what I think it reads.

  • @jamememes4114
    @jamememes41142 жыл бұрын

    Aaaaahhh, the good ol' "Death of the Author" argument. A most useful tool for useful tools.

  • @oldgoat142

    @oldgoat142

    2 жыл бұрын

    More like completely useless tools.

  • @taqresu5865
    @taqresu58652 жыл бұрын

    I'm so tired of this approach to classic stories I ran into this a lot in college and it drove me nuts. They wanted to hammer in this idea called, "the Death of the Author," which basically just means that our own subjective interpretations of a text is just as valid, if not more valid than the author's. Trying to normalize the idea that it's ok to force our own stories in place of existing stories regardless of context. There's only so many times I can roll my eyes at this stupidity.

  • @shofforth1
    @shofforth12 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien society is not representative of J.R.R. Tolkien. If he was alive he would slap their faces.

  • @meduseldtales3383

    @meduseldtales3383

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wrong. "I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." Tolkien wanted his readers to make their own interpretations of his text, based on their own thought and experience.

  • @Thundarr100

    @Thundarr100

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@meduseldtales3383 True. HOWEVER, just because he wanted the reader to make their own interpretations based on their own thoughts and experiences DOES NOT MEAN that his work is an allegory for whatever wacked out conclusions you make out of your own interpretations. This so called "scholar" is taking her interpretations of Tolkien's work and is claiming that they are due to allegory and not applicability. Which is absolutely, positively, and in every other way, completely false.

  • @HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire

    @HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nah, he and his old war buddies would be reincarnated as the Valar

  • @meduseldtales3383

    @meduseldtales3383

    2 жыл бұрын

    @A Normal Pedestal And Definitely Not A Mimic Nope. They literally said: "I will attempt no conclusion of Tolkien's intent", and as you said, this means that it's not an allegory. Thank you for agreeing with me.

  • @shaneyy__

    @shaneyy__

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@meduseldtales3383 you can’t say “my position is that they don’t try to interpret his intent and then try to interpret his intent” and praise them for being hypocrites.

  • @bogey780
    @bogey7802 жыл бұрын

    “Saruman,” [Gandalf] said, “I have heard speeches of this kind before, but only in the mouths of emissaries sent from Mordor to deceive the ignorant. I cannot think that you brought me so far only to weary my ears.”

  • @39KHall

    @39KHall

    2 жыл бұрын

    "The words of this wizard stand on their heads."

  • @wraith6776
    @wraith67762 жыл бұрын

    If Tolkien was still alive she'd tell him what he really meant when he was writing.

  • @Zenbuck2
    @Zenbuck22 жыл бұрын

    “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”

  • @orenmontgomery8250
    @orenmontgomery82502 жыл бұрын

    This is a perfect illustration of post-modernism in action. "One can never be 100% objective so I'll just ignore all evidence that points to reality and elevate my subjective wishes no matter what."

  • @DonVigaDeFierro

    @DonVigaDeFierro

    2 жыл бұрын

    "But if you disagree with my subjective views then you're wrong and deserve to be harassed and threatened for holding different views".

  • @miguelmontenegro3520

    @miguelmontenegro3520

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just a daily reminder that beauty, skills, truth and math are objective. Sjws are just lazy and jealous.

  • @courier4529

    @courier4529

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@miguelmontenegro3520 Beauty is objective? I agree mostly with the other three but come on. Most people would consider me right wing but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  • @andresanguianozuniga6798

    @andresanguianozuniga6798

    2 жыл бұрын

    What a pathetic way of life.

  • @superjlk_9538

    @superjlk_9538

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@courier4529 there is an objective value to what is considered most attractive. We can establish this through surveys and data collection of the physical attributes of those with most sexual partners and the most frequent physical attributes of married individuals Beauty is subjective, to a point. To a majority of men, fat women are not attractive.

  • @bunnywithakeyboard7628
    @bunnywithakeyboard76282 жыл бұрын

    “Look, Don Quixote says they’re giants. Can’t we accept his truth?”

  • @GanonGhidorah

    @GanonGhidorah

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Looks like a Windmill."

  • @allmight9840

    @allmight9840

    2 жыл бұрын

    @GanonGhidorah fool the Windmills identify as GIANTS. You are racistbigottednzi for not accepting their truth.

  • @Alpha___00

    @Alpha___00

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is he gay or POC? If not, we should be careful, it may be QANON fake news!

  • @asheronwindspear552

    @asheronwindspear552

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@allmight9840 but what if they are Giants that identify as windmills. I for one support the giants in their struggle for acceptance.

  • @user-zs9ux1ru8u

    @user-zs9ux1ru8u

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hariman7727 Ah yes, person of culture.

  • @Jogeta5
    @Jogeta52 жыл бұрын

    Listening to that woman was torture, holy crap.

  • @jamememes4114
    @jamememes41142 жыл бұрын

    Now, this is the most disturbing thing about it: I have seen enough conferences on narrative and storytelling, where similar hacks present their deconstructions, to notice the similarities. The format is always thus: - Overly emotional, moralistic tone in discourse. - Poetic use of concepts that obscures their mistakes, unqualified assumptions, and leaps of logic. - NEVER truly informative: they go around and around the topic, without ever offering meaningful content in a structured fashion (the kind of thing you would expect from a conference presentation). It always falls short as easily falsifiable, impossible to reproduce, riddled with fallacies and logical misconstructions, or ultimately redundant, boring, uninspired, and with no rescuable insights. - BUT the most incriminating aspect of all: *they always use the same tone of voice* . Soft, half-chanted, arrogant, platitudinous, and with a weird emotional charge: as if always two steps behind the verge of tears. Manipulative, rehearsed, and consistent. It is almost as if these people all trained their public speaking at the same place, or with the same people.

  • @Christopher-dj8dj

    @Christopher-dj8dj

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, thank you! You've put to words what I was thinking the whole time while listening to "them"

  • @Throwyourstones

    @Throwyourstones

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think they probably do. There seems to be a cult of Identity Politics with many members that have the goal of destroying everything that hurts their tender feelings. No one else has them remember only they have feelings.

  • @jamememes4114

    @jamememes4114

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Throwyourstones agreed; it is a clearly, transparently coordinated effort on behalf of The Cult™, and they DO benefit from making it so unappealing to normal people. If you're already into it, this is your daily dose of brainwash Kool-aid. If you are not, you just walk away and never re-engage - but then you get not nearly enough people outside the cult noticing the modus operandi.

  • @lionkingjamesii6635
    @lionkingjamesii66352 жыл бұрын

    I know who the trans character is it is golem he was a person and transitioned into a monster that was self-absorbed and thought only of himself and his own desires split between a personality of wanting to be extremely helpful for the adulation of those around him and only caring about himself much like the LGBT community.

  • @rifflerunderhill7006

    @rifflerunderhill7006

    2 жыл бұрын

    So accurate it's scary.

  • @sylvarogre5469

    @sylvarogre5469

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gollum. Golem is an animated, clay statue from Hebrew folklore. I'm sure it's just a typo, but I had to explain that an awful lot when I was 10 and it still bugs me.

  • @Atamastra

    @Atamastra

    2 жыл бұрын

    Leftist Fan(atic): We want to dissect, disembowel, and splay the world of Middle Earth to demonstrate that somewhere in the text there is definitely SOMETHING about Transgenderism or Transitioning or... Actual Tolkien Fan: What about Gollum? Leftist Fan(atic): Eww! No! Not like that! That's disgusting! Actual Tolkien Fan: ...Exactly.

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Atamastra Just like the Grape dude in My Hero Academia, a craven pervert who's supposedly aspiring to be hero, but is lazy and only useful on a case by case basis.

  • @VoltitanDev
    @VoltitanDev2 жыл бұрын

    It's sad that these people try to twist existing franchises rather than creating their own fantasy franchise

  • @pillage_party_and_papacy6689

    @pillage_party_and_papacy6689

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s because they hate seeing things that prove them wrong. They are disgusting because they are envious and envy is an ugly thing.

  • @tankmaker9807

    @tankmaker9807

    2 жыл бұрын

    A much more learned person than myself once observed, those who lack talent become critics. Lately they have devolved into intellectual vandals.

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    They can not create anything. If they tried, it would be disgarded to the trash bin. That is why they take other people's stuff and destroy it completely. These people are destructive only.

  • @Vigriff

    @Vigriff

    2 жыл бұрын

    What do you expect from Morgoth's followers?

  • @HALberdier17

    @HALberdier17

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well according to Tolkien and the Catholic Church. Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt that which was already created.

  • @travismitchell9637
    @travismitchell96372 жыл бұрын

    I"m glad I hung in there for the "out of your ass" moment, but man this was painful and scary knowing there are people with agenda's and ignorance pushing this kind of nonsense.

  • @AlejandroRamirez-rx1py
    @AlejandroRamirez-rx1py2 жыл бұрын

    Back in my day my mother would tell me that I would have selective hearing. That I would only listen to bits and pieces of conversations and only select the phrases that benefit my naive mind. That's when I was a kid. These people are the embodiment of selective hearing. It's sad and maddening.

  • @CaptainAwesomeVlog
    @CaptainAwesomeVlog2 жыл бұрын

    The moral of the story: Don't pay for your kids to study anything in Arts/Humanities. The money would be better spent on a trade school.

  • @dragongamer4753

    @dragongamer4753

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you want to become an artist just pay someone for private lessons. You'll save a lot of money and you won't get a bunch of woke bullshit.

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or for them to go to the library and learn a trade for themselves.

  • @austintheamerican3784

    @austintheamerican3784

    2 жыл бұрын

    The money would be better spent at a Casino let alone a trade school

  • @Aeric98

    @Aeric98

    2 жыл бұрын

    Money would be better spent on beer

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dragongamer4753 Worst case on that, take a few courses at the community college

  • @iambutter2784
    @iambutter27842 жыл бұрын

    Please note how she said Whiteness, Straightness, Malesness, Cisgenderness...... yeah. SJWs aren't biased whatsoever...

  • @Groundrunner100
    @Groundrunner1002 жыл бұрын

    People who are ACTUALLY fans of Tolkien’s books REALLY need to push back this time. Star Wars, Star Trek, Game Of Thrones, & He-Man have been bastardized by the mental ineptitude of The Left, we don’t need LOTR/TH to join that chopping block.

  • @depressedgwyndolin

    @depressedgwyndolin

    2 жыл бұрын

    like I said leave a dead man's work alone

  • @TheSuspira666

    @TheSuspira666

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget what they did to Wheel of Time

  • @martinshelton9533
    @martinshelton95332 жыл бұрын

    I've been a long time fan of LOTR books, read the Hobbit in High School in the 1970's and then first read LOTR's in the late 1970's, worn out a couple of copies, have the movies in standard extended versions so I'm very happy to see your continued well structured defense again the rubbish going on with Nutters are trying to spread. Keep up the good work!

  • @letmesmashplease8764
    @letmesmashplease87642 жыл бұрын

    She sounds like she's trying to hit a certain word count.

  • @NorfolkTears

    @NorfolkTears

    2 жыл бұрын

    "If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter"

  • @sigmacademy

    @sigmacademy

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd argue it's more an issue of trying to jam as many buzzwords into what should have been a simple discussion on why Tolkien can be something for everybody. :/

  • @mish375

    @mish375

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sigmacademy She's trying to sound intelligent, when there's no intelligence to be found here.

  • @ChibiKami

    @ChibiKami

    2 жыл бұрын

    When I took a creative writing course, I found I frequently came up short of the target word count. This is easily achievable by 1) having a point to be made, and 2) making it

  • @harbl99
    @harbl992 жыл бұрын

    "Transgender realities are present in the text, its paratext, and the surrounding context." Page reference, or there's the door. I don't think I'm being unreasonable there. 10:00 -- Did you hear that? Gandalf made a mistake therefore Gondor has transgender subtext. It's not even a leap of logic; it's a straight-up _non sequiteur_ . Pure Chewbacca Defence reasoning.

  • @vocalcalibration8033

    @vocalcalibration8033

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sonic the Hedgehog, like most 2D platformers of the era, primarily makes you go right to progress through the game. However there are secrets and power ups one can only aquire by going left, the exact opposite. Therefore Amy Rose wishes she had a dick.

  • @rhyswallace3590

    @rhyswallace3590

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@vocalcalibration8033 😂😂😂😂

  • @DRAGON_NUTZ

    @DRAGON_NUTZ

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@vocalcalibration8033 My God, how did we not see it before? It was right there the whole time!

  • @TSPH1992

    @TSPH1992

    2 жыл бұрын

    You could cut off one body part or another. But you can not change your sex

  • @FeedMeMister

    @FeedMeMister

    2 жыл бұрын

    She did straight up say that she rejects "straight white male" epistemology. If your epistemology is simply magical thinking this makes total sense.

  • @Demogorgon47
    @Demogorgon472 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! Clearly Tolkien was such a great author he was capable of writing about issues that wouldn't arise for over 70 years!.......or this lady is clearly projecting herself onto his work.

  • @patricksmith7626
    @patricksmith76262 жыл бұрын

    I find it interest she chooses the paragraph describing how Sauron, by filtering the information Denathor received, was able to make him believe he lived in a world so horrible it drove him mad. Substituted "Twitter" for Sauron and it's pretty accurate to her life.

  • @SydneyWrites67
    @SydneyWrites672 жыл бұрын

    If Tolkien was alive to clear these points up, these individuals would label him and istaphobe.

  • @BunkerAnon

    @BunkerAnon

    2 жыл бұрын

    Of course he was a catholic creating a mythology for his people. They'd decry that he shouldn't even be allowed for publish his works.

  • @kohaiame2691

    @kohaiame2691

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget racist, and a nazi. Oh yeah, I almost forgot about bigot.

  • @petriew2018

    @petriew2018

    2 жыл бұрын

    And he'd eviscerate them for making up nonsense words to make nonsense ideas somehow seem legitimate and would not give two shits what the barely literates of twitter feel about his bluntness it really is a shame he's not here

  • @DonVigaDeFierro

    @DonVigaDeFierro

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would find that hilarious, because he stood up against the _actual_ Nazis, not against the mean people on the internet.

  • @lightningpenguin8937
    @lightningpenguin89372 жыл бұрын

    "If I say a random bunch of big words people will think I'm clever." - People who are idiots.

  • @josephahner3031

    @josephahner3031

    2 жыл бұрын

    Apparently someone does think she's clever because they gave her a platform. More's the pity.

  • @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    2 жыл бұрын

    “Floccinaucinihilipilification reins supreme.” -Anyone who gets on-the-line.

  • @josephahner3031

    @josephahner3031

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yourenotmarywelcome8693 came access that word in a children's novel of all places.

  • @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@josephahner3031 - I literally googled “big words that make you appear intelligent”. I won’t lie…..It was a low moment for me. 🤣🤣

  • @DefiantHeart
    @DefiantHeart2 жыл бұрын

    Reading ideas into the text that not only aren't present, but would have been nonsensical to Tolkien. Insane.

  • @Ethonra
    @Ethonra2 жыл бұрын

    Never ceases to amaze me how often these types of arguments contradict themselves. Seriously, you can make a bingo game out of it.

  • @natto4now
    @natto4now2 жыл бұрын

    Okay so in conclusion their whole excuse to make all these things is "oh Tolkien cant be understand"

  • @meduseldtales3383

    @meduseldtales3383

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, it's that Tolkien did not write allegory. Why is that so difficult to understand?

  • @wolfbane7497

    @wolfbane7497

    2 жыл бұрын

    WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING !!!!! This is literally like that scene Avatar when the scientist is trying to explain Pandora. As a living organism but the company guy is like what the heck are you people smoking out there. It's literally like that scene I really want to know what these people are smoking to be this stupid. This level of stupidity can't be taught it has to be literally literally put together by 5-year-olds and that's an insult against 5-year-olds because I know 5-year-olds I can make better sense than. These wackadoos are on the far left activist these people are literally grasping for straws.

  • @wolfbane7497

    @wolfbane7497

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hariman7727 Jesus wept that's too much mental gymnastics even from me I don't get how these people function. If they have to jump through all these hoops but I guess being a narcissist makes everything make sense.

  • @theburgerking1236

    @theburgerking1236

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wolfbane7497 They don’t because literally everything upsets them especially the existence of a society that allows them to have and express these views instead of worrying for their survival because they’re not homeless, they’re not living in places where lynchings can and do happen. And likely never had to worry about anything their whole lives

  • @calexander7495

    @calexander7495

    2 жыл бұрын

    Her introduction is the only important part. She prefaces the discussion by asserting that a written work *cannot* have a concrete meaning, not that Tolkien's meaning cannot be understood. Essentially, what she said right off the bat is that what Tolkien meant is irrelevant, and all that matters is subjective interpretation of what the work means, specifically, that her perspective is right simply because it's how she perceives it. It's literally Marxist dogma, in particular Critical Theory. The point is to undermine the existence of truth and meaning, assert that all truth and meaning is subjective, and control what that subjective perspective is. It's the belief that truth is dictated by power and majority perspective, rather than than the truth being, well, the truth. In short, in conclusion, this word salad is subversive nonsense.

  • @artemprotectron
    @artemprotectron2 жыл бұрын

    The line between parody and reality is getting smaller and smaller every day.

  • @jonsimpson6240

    @jonsimpson6240

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure we passed the parody line in 2016...

  • @randomperson-up5vt

    @randomperson-up5vt

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jonsimpson6240 trump broke peoples minds and he was just a rich ass.

  • @rifflerunderhill7006

    @rifflerunderhill7006

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wait there's a line??! I need new glasses...

  • @randomperson-up5vt

    @randomperson-up5vt

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hariman7727 that's true but still gonna keep it basic as possible. Don't want peoples gerbils overworking for little brain power they might have.

  • @patrickfrost9405

    @patrickfrost9405

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@randomperson-up5vt I'll have you know that my gerbils work out in the hamster-wheel every day and power my brain quite effeciently!

  • @orribleman3315
    @orribleman33152 жыл бұрын

    "No offense but that sounds like some f-ing commie gobbledygook" Norm Macdonald

  • @theMAN3554

    @theMAN3554

    2 жыл бұрын

    That birch doesn't own a dog house

  • @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55

    @TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55

    2 жыл бұрын

    The legend... Norm!

  • @Ghost-ql3hl

    @Ghost-ql3hl

    2 жыл бұрын

    RIP

  • @thalianox2492
    @thalianox24922 жыл бұрын

    This woman really loves the sound of her own voice

  • @silverscorpio24
    @silverscorpio242 жыл бұрын

    I like how "they" keeps "their" eyes firmly on the computer screen to make sure she reads her script right.

  • @_Tessa_T

    @_Tessa_T

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was getting flashbacks of a highschool essay. Understand what conclusion the teacher wants, follow the rules of writing, get a grade. This wasn't to enlighten people on thought, but completing an assignment.

  • @dr.henrykillinger1027

    @dr.henrykillinger1027

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@_Tessa_T i don’t even think they achieved that… “they” just wrote out a word soup, so much of what “they” said was completely nonsense, it wouldn’t get a passing grade in a decent school

  • @damianshumate5927
    @damianshumate59272 жыл бұрын

    This “person’s” seminar or more accurately sermon is a perfect reason why teaching stupid people big words before logic is a major problem.

  • @patrickfrost9405

    @patrickfrost9405

    2 жыл бұрын

    I photosynthisize with this assesment.

  • @asarishepard8171

    @asarishepard8171

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree. she sounds like shes trying to be smart using big words. without knowing what they all mean in context.

  • @jakethegreatest473

    @jakethegreatest473

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like word salad, other than when she reads Tolkien directly....but then she highlights all of as not truly what dude wrote despite it being what he wrote.......double speak its double speak and I want to make Orwell fiction again

  • @davidfrancisco3502

    @davidfrancisco3502

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also this "person" sounds too emotional almost crying while the words come from its mouth.

  • @davidfrancisco3502

    @davidfrancisco3502

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@knifehandz That freak Is a man trying to be a cheap knockoff of a woman I don't give a damn about their Cultural Fascist Orwellian Newspeak garbage.

  • @ZZeeman
    @ZZeeman2 жыл бұрын

    “I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.” - J.R.R Tolkien tl;dr dude explicitly didn't like allegory so lets force one on his work

  • @dksamaritan5200

    @dksamaritan5200

    2 жыл бұрын

    These people absolutely disgust me. Keep Gate Keeping as hard as you can.

  • @johnnycarholder7282
    @johnnycarholder72822 жыл бұрын

    When one cites Tumblr in an essay, the veracity of the argument goes out the window

  • @vicente2044
    @vicente20442 жыл бұрын

    I would never get tired of Just Some Guy takes on this topics

  • @FreakenPinko256

    @FreakenPinko256

    2 жыл бұрын

    If ya like this, then you should check out It’sAGundam.

  • @DeetotheDubs

    @DeetotheDubs

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FreakenPinko256 JSG on Tolkien is like It'sAGundam going off on all things Gundam. Refreshing to hear people made experts by their fandom instead of learning it in some vague attempt to twist meanings and intentions.

  • @100Servings

    @100Servings

    2 жыл бұрын

    I want him to host his own fan summit of Tolkien. Everyone can submit their pieces about how great the books and movies are, and we'll see how many more people turn out to watch. I'd be there.

  • @FreakenPinko256

    @FreakenPinko256

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DeetotheDubs That’s exactly what I was thinking! (Probably) (I don’t know, I’m kinda slow, and not entirely sure wether or not you’re agreeing with me)

  • @Gyrfalcon312

    @Gyrfalcon312

    2 жыл бұрын

    His approach is... scholarly. He knows so much more about the Rings universe than I, that's for damn sure. It also helps that he's not above being witty.

  • @brudereinherjer1593
    @brudereinherjer15932 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of what Geralt of rivia said to Stregobor: "You're talking nonsense while making wise and meaningfull faces." Seriously, I have no clue of what this person was taliking about.

  • @dragontear1638

    @dragontear1638

    2 жыл бұрын

    When I hear people talking like that, I can actually feel my already dust-coated brain try to emit a puff of high-pitched hot-air in a mixture of bewilderment, and growing disinterest.

  • @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    @yourenotmarywelcome8693

    2 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, I don’t think they do either.

  • @ryanodom6101

    @ryanodom6101

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's all word salad. This is something all sorts of pretend intellectuals do; create an entire dictionary of convoluted terms and refer to them endlessly as a means of making themselves and their arguments sound much deeper and more complex than they actually are. Michael Eric Dyson is infamous for this. If *she* were to express her feelings/ideas about Tolkien's work in plain language, it would be so easy to see how ridiculous it is, no one would even entertain listening to her. But if you can cough your thoughts in jargon the average person doesn't understand, you sound smarter.

  • @JohnnyZenith

    @JohnnyZenith

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's pseudointellectual rambling.

  • @justicewokeisutterbs8641

    @justicewokeisutterbs8641

    2 жыл бұрын

    The barely contained note of neurotic hysteria in her "presentation" is telling. I am so sick of these lunatics. Can't we just lock them up and throw away the key?.

  • @tonyclark2020
    @tonyclark20202 жыл бұрын

    I love how thoroughly you dissect this nonsense, props to you! stay strong!

  • @ryanedioma2133
    @ryanedioma21332 жыл бұрын

    In a woke person's mind, everything is about fefe and feelings.

  • @justaminute3111
    @justaminute31112 жыл бұрын

    I was taught “Don’t have such an open mind that your brains fall out.” Also, instead of tearing this work apart why not write the great Trans novel? Because she can’t. She can barely do anything except string a word salad together.

  • @deespaeth8180

    @deespaeth8180

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly! If you don't like Tolkien, don't read Tolkien. Leave him to those of us who love and appreciate his work. Now, you go and write that great trans novel, bless your heart.

  • @theALTF4

    @theALTF4

    2 жыл бұрын

    because that would imply people wanna read out about those grotesque things to begin with we GLADLY listen to the songs about the struggle about black people, we consume tons of art about women opression, we enjoy literature written by geys, we right now L O V E the artistic material that comes from asia (from manga and anime, to their live action) and i could go on and on about the myth of discrimination agaisnt minorities' artistic material... but lets be real: who the heckity fucks want to waste time even getting close to something about a bunch of ugly MOFOs with a highpitched squidward voice, who leeches positions of power and have consistently made virtual plataforms a WORSE place to be, with his hipersensibility and hideous rules AAAND got into journalism and made us all lose respect that profesion... and just because we dont wanna pretend """"""they""""""" are not sexually inept and broken?

  • @justincicconi759

    @justincicconi759

    2 жыл бұрын

    If she writes the way she talks she’ll have editors’ heads crashing onto their desks from boredom.

  • @opticalraven1935

    @opticalraven1935

    2 жыл бұрын

    Evil cannot create on its own; it has to corrupt what is already good. Evil lacks productive creativity.

  • @arlaghdoth4434

    @arlaghdoth4434

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm taking that advice to my life now. lmao.

  • @ericsmith1517
    @ericsmith15172 жыл бұрын

    "we can't simplify tolken's work into one world view. except mine, of course."

  • @ayanithtalreign
    @ayanithtalreign2 жыл бұрын

    If anybody else fails to praise it, your commitment to authenticity of one's arguments and never falling for narrative traps is a great part of your work. It is a very common and strange result that people stop focusing on the argument at hand when confronted by others or attacked by emotional mumbo-jumbo. You prove that it's easy to disprove something by using their own premises against them.

  • @Mwuhahaha
    @Mwuhahaha2 жыл бұрын

    I guarantee I could go to the library, grab any book, hand it to her, and she could apply her theory and her logic to it and come up with the same connections and interpretations. lol as I type this she mentions how people interpret LOTR wrongly.

  • @conroypawgmail
    @conroypawgmail2 жыл бұрын

    Just Some Guy is more of a Tolkien scholar than these weirdo revisionists in the "Tolkien Society".

  • @RoseBaggins

    @RoseBaggins

    2 жыл бұрын

    No argument there.

  • @adamwelch4336

    @adamwelch4336

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's a real fan of the source material! He actually cares and is knowledgeable of the source material! He's on the same page the rest of us are!

  • @HeelvsBabyface
    @HeelvsBabyface2 жыл бұрын

    My body is ready for this video.

  • @JustSomeGuy

    @JustSomeGuy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do not come.

  • @AzraelDarkness64Gaming

    @AzraelDarkness64Gaming

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JustSomeGuy he gonna Come 🤣😂

  • @mcCrunch

    @mcCrunch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Az, thank you for sending us here! Great content for fans.

  • @daork8923

    @daork8923

    2 жыл бұрын

    your body may be ready - but unless you have had 15 pints BEFORE you start watching this your mind is in the wrong plane of exsistance!

  • @FreakenPinko256

    @FreakenPinko256

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AzraelDarkness64Gaming Like Chris-Chan in his mom.

  • @kurtjk01
    @kurtjk012 жыл бұрын

    In my senior year of high school, I was allowed to take an early college class in English, before I graduated high school. So, my first time out, when asked for an interpretation of a part of a book, I went all-out to show how deeply I could speculate. The prof's one sentence comment upon my overly-complex thoughts? "You're reading a lot into it; it's much simpler than all that." Lesson learned instantly, and I was still 17 at the time . . . This gal could have used Professor Busaliah, big time.

  • @atragonx7939
    @atragonx79392 жыл бұрын

    Enduring this drivel and refuting it surely has to count toward your miracles for sainthood.

  • @oldgoat142

    @oldgoat142

    2 жыл бұрын

    You should be able to sue this person for making your ears bleed with this bovine scatology.

  • @shaneofthehillpeople
    @shaneofthehillpeople2 жыл бұрын

    The delicious irony of using "they/them" pronouns for Tolkien, an master linguist, who could have lectured her for days on why that's an inappropriate use of English. I hope I'm not the only one who found that funny.

  • @DonVigaDeFierro

    @DonVigaDeFierro

    2 жыл бұрын

    The best argument against the woketards is listening to them for 10 minutes.

  • @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is comedy worth.

  • @richardkern112

    @richardkern112

    Жыл бұрын

    On the contrary, he'd be able to talk your ear off about how Singular They has been used for hundreds of years. And the fact that languages evolves to suit new needs all the time. It's what they do. Why does that bother anyone so deeply?

  • @gyozanomics

    @gyozanomics

    Жыл бұрын

    @@richardkern112 language degenerates out of use and lack of education not to suit predetermined needs language changing is not something done with intent and no worthwhile culture in human history has promoted the degeneration of their tongue what you're saying is perversion in the most literal sense and you're not correct about the use of the plural "they" as a singular pronoun, going back hundreds of years what people reference when they make this claim, from what I've seen, is the reflexive themself in middle english it's use is not only rare, but it's use is almost always with a "distinct nonstandard ring" and this is according to the Handbook of English Linguistics which coincidentally is the only source given on wikipedia to support the claim that the use of a singular they goes back hundreds of years (it's also worth noting that it says that modern usage of themself goes back to about 1978, so it has not been consistently used since middle english)

  • @diersteinjulien6773
    @diersteinjulien67732 жыл бұрын

    I love how she starts with "we can't be 100% sure what Tolkien means". Because it of course implies that she doesn't known either, so why should we listen to her?

  • @Darkwintre

    @Darkwintre

    2 жыл бұрын

    SHE can't be 100% sure about what she comprehends about Tolkien's work? Oh boy!

  • @sigmacademy

    @sigmacademy

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're not getting what the strategy is. If someone can claim that something isn't 100% what everybody thought it was, than whatever that person says get a foot into the door without having to actually put forward a good enough argument on why his/her argument has a good enough framework to be taken seriously as a good point. :/

  • @Darkwintre

    @Darkwintre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sigmacademy Manipulating words to fit her meaning when its clear she's talking rubbish?

  • @stunner9005

    @stunner9005

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even though we can, because he wrote letters..

  • @Darkwintre

    @Darkwintre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stunner9005 On this subject? Isn't that reaching I mean Tolkien is Tolkien after all and most of those using this for their own purposes aren't exactly being truthful...

  • @DoxGR7934
    @DoxGR79342 жыл бұрын

    All the mental effort put in to putting these words together, for effect of overlaying one's view onto someone else's view. It's like saving rabbit turds to make a twenty foot sculpture.

  • @blakespangler3111
    @blakespangler31112 жыл бұрын

    Man, I’m in college and I know there’s a lot that I don’t understand fully, but come on! Reading your own views into a text is the worst move a textual critic could make! As a side point, awesome video once again! I love watching your stuff, it’s always great. Keep it up!

  • @cjd2889
    @cjd28892 жыл бұрын

    She thinks if she uses ten dollar words and makes herself sound smarter than she is, then people will just go along with it because they don't understand, but every argument she makes does not follow from a sound premise. They couldn't possibly, because she doesn't believe in objective truth.

  • @ClaytorYurnero
    @ClaytorYurnero2 жыл бұрын

    It's like watching a cancer trying to envelope an organism in real-time.

  • @theapexsurvivor9538

    @theapexsurvivor9538

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or rot spreading through an over-watered tree.

  • @WillEnd96
    @WillEnd962 жыл бұрын

    One of the most important videos on KZread right now in my opinion. Thank you sir.

  • @RhythmGrizz
    @RhythmGrizz2 жыл бұрын

    this person sounds like they're on the verge of crying constantly

  • @diazdelosmuertos1503
    @diazdelosmuertos15032 жыл бұрын

    As a Tolkien fan myself, I can imagine this video was frustrating to make, JSG, but what you’re doing here is important work. I, and undoubtedly everyone who cherishes Tolkien’s work, thank you. He-and his son, Christopher-would be proud of you. I truly believe that in my heart.

  • @deespaeth8180

    @deespaeth8180

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hear hear! Thank you, JSG. You are respected and appreciated.

  • @TanksFaves
    @TanksFaves2 жыл бұрын

    This is what I sensed as her voiced cracked and her thoughts stammered. She's still trying to convince herself that this what Tolkien meant through his writings. So who else would be convinced of this if you can't convey this with any conviction.

  • @prolender1

    @prolender1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed...she argues within herself and healthy DOUBTS creep into her armor of academic "diatribes"

  • @joshuaking3731
    @joshuaking37312 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of the film, "Number 23" staring Jim Carry. A story about a man who becomes obsessed with the number 23 after reading a book by the same name. He goes to find the number hidden in everything. And I mean everything. Sometimes he had to make increadable leaps of logic to find it. Like randomly adding some numbers then multiplying others. Or using the whole alphabetical number of some letters in a word, then using the sum of others. This is the kind of logic that's being applied here.

  • @Swammey
    @Swammey2 жыл бұрын

    "If these realities were really there, you wouldn't have to dig this deep into Moira to actually find them" lol. Most of this video is over my head but I enjoyed it

  • @Tevildo
    @Tevildo2 жыл бұрын

    This is just a run-of-the-mill undergraduate-level essay from someone who's just read Derrida and knows what close reading is, but doesn't really know how to do it. We could substitute any novel with any sort of character development for LOTR in the template and it would produce the same result.

  • @stormbringer2840

    @stormbringer2840

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you . So im not the only one that realize that this whole ...deconstructivism thing is just a bad comprehension of the French and Germans philosophers .

  • @234ne14

    @234ne14

    2 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what would Barthes say if he saw the generations of people believing (and somewhat misinterpreting) his "The Death of the Author" theory. I mean, I kinda get where Barthes was coming from, but this shit became ridiculous....

  • @Tevildo

    @Tevildo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@234ne14 I think he would be most surprised, perhaps not unpleasantly, by the fact his ideas have expanded beyond literature into the apparently-unassailable fortresses of arithmetic and biology, and most disappointed that people are using his ideas as an excuse to impose their predetermined meanings on any text, rather than discovering their meanings in it.

  • @JM-vp8zc

    @JM-vp8zc

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@234ne14 Didn’t Barthes set himself up for misinterpretation with his whole death of the author stuff? Sounds like pouring a glass of water on your head and then being surprised at getting wet.

  • @evilrslade
    @evilrslade2 жыл бұрын

    Tolkien "I cordially dislike allegory in all its forms" Image reading LotR and this is what you come up with.

  • @DanielCharlton
    @DanielCharlton Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for being the first person I've seen on KZread correctly describe the nuance of Denethor and the Palantir.

  • @plmes
    @plmes2 жыл бұрын

    As a life long Lord of The Rings reader and fan, it physically hurt me to listen to her.

  • @ericfeldkamp3788
    @ericfeldkamp37882 жыл бұрын

    "Tolkien intended his work to be interpreted in many ways" immediately followed by "I will make no conclusion about his intent" The opening paragraph isn't even coherent.

  • @sillypuppy5940

    @sillypuppy5940

    2 жыл бұрын

    There's no starting point either about his intent other than blah blah blah

  • @DonVigaDeFierro

    @DonVigaDeFierro

    2 жыл бұрын

    He intended to have no intent, so his intent to have no intent is unintended, and therefore his intent is what the audience intends because eveything needs an intent... And that's why Tolkien's intent is what THEY intend instead of what the author intends.

  • @TheHulkbuster13
    @TheHulkbuster132 жыл бұрын

    Remember that South Park episode when Eric Cartman, Stan, Kyle, and Butters wrote a story that was meant to be as digesting as possible which caused everyone who read it to throw up, yet the book became famous cause everyone was putting their interpretation of what the story meant even thou the boys flat out told the adults what the book meant and why they wrote it.

  • @votedworstchannelonyoutube1537
    @votedworstchannelonyoutube15372 жыл бұрын

    I love this channel for one reason you lay logic down like no other why you're not editing or writing a comic is beyond me

  • @egosyas
    @egosyas2 жыл бұрын

    i am new to your videos (watched around 10-15) but this one is the most unpleasant to watch so far (mostly because of the voice of a subject and the way it presents its thoughts). Thanks for the content.

  • @learning2727
    @learning27272 жыл бұрын

    That person is showing a level of absolute desperation that is frightening.

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is what I heard her say: "We are the borg." "We will add your biological and technological distinctivness to our own." "Your culture will adapt to service us." "Resistance is futile." RIP Star Trek.

  • @shanenolan8252

    @shanenolan8252

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cainabel6356 lol .

  • @missmarbles6980
    @missmarbles69802 жыл бұрын

    It's incredible how deluded these people are.

  • @cainabel6356

    @cainabel6356

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is incredible that we let these people out of the loony bins. They are insane.

  • @shanenolan8252

    @shanenolan8252

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fact is stranger that fiction

  • @Strongbow520
    @Strongbow5202 жыл бұрын

    I keep coming back to your videos like "man hold on what was that word he used, that was a good word.."... Your diction and vocabulary is exceptional, Guy.

  • @andresibarra3473
    @andresibarra34732 жыл бұрын

    With how long she talked about her perspective instead of the story, it feels that she was trying to make herself belive what she was saying

  • @acemarvel1564
    @acemarvel15642 жыл бұрын

    Clearly they don’t understand what a subjective masterpiece is, and only want objective pandering

  • @andresanguianozuniga6798

    @andresanguianozuniga6798

    2 жыл бұрын

    The funny thing they became a kind of One-Joke-Clown... Always opressed or "every vision its wrong Except mine" Interesting most of the ppl Who claim to be victims became the most narcissist kind of idiots.

  • @twyx6928
    @twyx69282 жыл бұрын

    Her interpretation feels like, the ones where a teacher suddenly asks a kid to interpret a poem and the kid is just winging it, desperately trying to find "hidden meaning" in hopes of sounding knowledgeable.

  • @JM-vp8zc

    @JM-vp8zc

    2 жыл бұрын

    Except here someone is paying these twits with fellowships, offers of tenure, etc.

  • @LoneWolf-rc4go

    @LoneWolf-rc4go

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JM-vp8zc 'Intellectuals' always wash the hands of 'intellectuals'. 'Marxist Postmodernism through the lens of inter-sectional Trans theory' is the new hotness and you're going to see a bunch of grifters coming out of the woodwork who are going to try to sound as though they know what they're talking about. Most of the time it's just going to be a convoluted word salad that's supposed to sound high brow. Really it's just a performative piece where the 'intellectual' says something like 'we have no way of knowing what the author meant so let me tell you about how Lord of the Rings was all about the struggle for Trans rights'.

  • @twyx6928

    @twyx6928

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JM-vp8zc Yeah, naive people might think you can achieve good positions with hard work. When in reality, all you have to do, is echo some bs agenda you don't necessarily understand/believe in.

  • @jdbb3gotskills
    @jdbb3gotskills2 жыл бұрын

    She sounds like she’s gonna cry. She so brave

  • @krispydogg
    @krispydogg2 жыл бұрын

    i have no words. her cracking voice tells me even SHE doesn't believe what she's saying.

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