I credit LML almost exclusively for the cleanliness of my house. Listening to his videos while I clean is pure bliss.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’ve always done with podcasts, glad to return the favor!!

@tonygreen4936

3 жыл бұрын

Snap!

@claireguillon7596

3 жыл бұрын

My place has never been in such a mess. Even with music I become crazy or catatonic when trying to tidy everything up. I'll have to try listening to these videos now, then!

@pinkbunny6272

3 жыл бұрын

I've used the podcast as background for my writing, doing school work...

@callummellis3280

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that doesn't work for me, if I don't give the videos my full attention I can't follow what's being said. I even have to rewind it every time I get a text or notification on my phone lol

A conversation between you and Grrm would be legendary.

@andrzejkopalnia

3 жыл бұрын

I would throw a lot of money at the opportunity to see this. Even for the opportunity to let the conversation happen without LmL being able to talk about it's content!

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

3 жыл бұрын

When George answered a question of LML's in an interview, I screamed! Yes that would be so amazing!!!

@BingeThinker1814

3 ай бұрын

Surely this can be arranged by the internet

Tyrion to Jon about being a Snow: "Never forget what you are, the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." So Tyrion wants Jon to wear snow as armour.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh nice one!!! Never caught that

@cbob213

3 жыл бұрын

Armored in Black Ice!!

@Ginkeh

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer Doesnt King Robert say something like "the Others take your snow", to Ned in AGOT as they go into the crypts to see Lyannas tomb? Think they were discussing the weather/northern climate briefly. Another hint perhaps, of Jon joining the Others, or die fighting them.

@keelobrown4991

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ginkeh thats a good catch👀👀

@bvici22

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ginkeh Thats a saying in the North Rob uses it sometimes “Others take your eyes” I took it as like Others take your Snow meant others take your Jon Snow but Robert meant the weather. They were known for taking everything and bringing the snow/ice when they come so in the North others take your snow-- away from where we are at in the north lol

"Stannis as a cosplay Azor Ahai", genius Stannis = Azor A-half

My friend Brett suggested that if Jon's men put his body in the ice cell with the preserved meat - he'll get reborn again amidst salt & smoke too!

@bvici22

3 жыл бұрын

Yup because the ice cells are near the food storages like the salt its behind the armoury were they forge new weapons and heat them with that smoke and theres a red sign above the area in there so smoke salt a red comet maybe

@velstadtvonausterlitz2338

4 күн бұрын

Lmao 😂😂😂😂

That last part with the parrot was unexpected.... A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.

Stannis is my number 1 choice for 1000th Lord Commander of the Nightswatch. Atonement for the death of Shireen. Nothing would please me more.

@hez859

Жыл бұрын

yup! With Jaime as the runner up lol

Jon Snow turning into the Night King though....George, please.

@lukaruzic5192

3 жыл бұрын

I hope there wont be a Night King in the books. Plus, I think this channel is wrong about the origins of the Others. The Long Night and the Others predate the 13th Lord Commander and his Nights Queen.

@heshamhany8470

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukaruzic5192 but they are all stories. Basically aside from the watch and stannis, everyone thinks the others are legends and folklore at this point. So who knows?

@heshamhany8470

3 жыл бұрын

@Cult Mechanicus George has broke you, hasn't he?

@mausklick1635

3 жыл бұрын

But Stannis is already the Night King.

@factbeaglesarebest

3 жыл бұрын

There is no Night King. Nights King is quite different.

Top quality asoiaf.

@brandonlambert9768

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

Now here's a question; are the Azor Ahai, the Prince that was promised, and last Hero, different interpretations of the same person, three different people, or are any even real? Personally I think they are they different people; Dany is Azor (she gave her living spouse to the flame and was given the worlds greatest weapons), Jon is the Prince ( descended from Rheagar, salt and bleeding star), and Bran with his companions and dog being the Last Hero.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

could be, I could see that break-down. Those 3 are certainly key to all the magic

@dark_fire_ice

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer then there's the unreliable narrator with the entire Rh'lor religion. I believe it is based on a view of Zoharasterism, which divides the world in to, light and dark (Zoharastor finding a lit oil well and all) so very likely there are many more actual "sides" than the two big ones we are shown. On a side note, it funny to look at the Worship of the Old Gods as GRRM displays it, I'm Romuvan and we venerate the Deivai, our ancestors, and trees, specifically Ash, as they are gifts of our ancestors from the Deivai.

@joejejeo

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer possibly some symbolic interpretation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit or in this case Azor Ahai, The Prince and Last Hero (spirit in the weirwood) also 3 types of magic; fire, blood and old gods magic

@benjaminfink8393

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's that they are different people who must do the same thing, take their turn leading the others by warging. Without a leader, they are free to wreck havoc as they did during the war between the first men and the Children.

@dark_fire_ice

Жыл бұрын

@@GeronimoPlaz not quite, as zoro (depending on time period) had as many as 4 many deities; creator, light, dark, and arbiter (sorry I can only remember the last one's name, Mitra). In fact, hilariously the Magi viewed star signs as warning from the arbiter to the world about the dark one's plans (which gives some humorous context to a certain carpenter's son)

I feel that Blood Stone Emperor, became the first Dragon on Planetos. He probably had warging powers, he worships the blood stone and it granted him the power of warging. It could explain why he began eating Humans and his Tiger Bride was a Warging Witch that warg into Tigers. In Asian culture a Tiger is considered as powerful and dangerous as a Dragon. But like Stone the Emperor’s heart became Cold as Stone so in order to regain his Fire he began to forge for lightbringer. He call his wife and slain her which cause the moon to crack and unleash the Long Night. The emperor had a daughter whose was as cold as his heart and she went forth to create the White Shadows. In an effort to recreate the fire lost from her Father. Warging powers are the Key to recreating the Gods.

@keelobrown4991

3 жыл бұрын

Warging powers come from the children of the forest and men who have blood ties with them, like the starks. The children also predate the dawn empire by thousands of years so its not possible for the bloodstone to grant warging abilities. The dawn empire likely used blood magic to tame dragons as valyrians did that and they learnt of dragon taming by the dawn empire remnants. Its also implied that the dawn empire and valyrians used magic to mix human and dragon blood, no clue how they did that but theres tons of evidence in the books and in fire and blood.

@theskycavedin9592

Жыл бұрын

Drogon is colored like a bloodstone

@AmorCorona5

Жыл бұрын

👀

The real question is how much coffee was consumed in the making of this video?

@prestoncox585

3 жыл бұрын

Just replace coffee with yellow Vitiman Water haha

I love the mirrored symbolism here. Really epitomizes 'fire and ice'

@josefsterling5462

2 жыл бұрын

The duality of man 👌🏻👍🏻💪🏻👊🏻

Keep 'em coming! I also like how Jon representing both Azor Ahai (the bad version) and the Last Hero is a parallel for what GRRM says is the most interesting part, the "conflict of the heart". You see these two sides of his heart in conflict in his dream.

Maybe Nissa Nissa was a “fire wight”, and that is why tempering the steel in her blood produced the flaming sword. She was resurrected by fire, and Azor Ahai didn’t want her to die again. It would explain why she bared her breast and felt the “agony and ecstasy” when the sword penetrated her heart. It is similar language to Mel’s chapters describing her meditations

@jonhauge-evaldsson783

3 жыл бұрын

Wow!

@basquat76

3 жыл бұрын

Azor Ahai didn't create a sword, he created a dragon. It takes human sacrifice. Fire alone didn't work, Animal sacrifice didn't work either, but a human sacrifice did. Just look at how Dany did it.

@jonhauge-evaldsson783

3 жыл бұрын

@@basquat76 It can and does represent multiple things at the same time. For example making Valyrian steel, sexual intercourse, hatching dragons, braking the moon. And in Nissa Nissa's case sacrifice yourself for the greater good like Qorin Halfhand, or dying in childbirth.

@basquat76

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 you have to sacrifice People to create valyriab Steel? It is pretty clear what it means cause we litterally saw. You guys Are just overanalyzing and seeing ghosts everywhere

@jonhauge-evaldsson783

3 жыл бұрын

@@basquat76 Maybe. Prophecy bites your prick off every time. The World book strongly suggest that smiths of Qohor uses human sacrifice to rework Valyrian Steel.

I so appreciate that these streamlined videos / theories are the result of your years of hard work in pulling out all (and I mean all) the symbolism threads (and gods there are so many). It is watching the pyramids being built or something, brick by brick.

Loving the fruition of all your work in these videos mang

i love listening to you talk. thank you so much for another fantastic video!🔥

Another stellar analysis, love your narration and editing, keep up the good work :)

My favorite part of Sunday,

Audio copyrights: *CLAIMED* LML: Pulls out various instruments and laughs A great, well made video, as always! Thanks lml

Incredible video as always! I was really looking forward to this one. And just wanted to say thank you for all of your videos and analyses, they really make me engage with the series in a new way. I’m seeing the astronomy everywhere!

@cassady9602

3 жыл бұрын

Also really loved the beautiful bird at the end! That made my day

Woke up to see a new video from LML :) this day got better already :)

I love that you're coming out with some shorter videos. Keep up the good work.

Amazing video! Love your content!! Keep up the amazing work!

Your videos are perfect to unwind and escape after a long day

Thanks for all the spooky music that plays during your videos

The parts where you read from the book have improved so much! Both the reading and the music and audio processing are on point! I can't help but suspect Quinn's influence is at play here.

All the work you have done for the series is so unique and eye opening. You have reveled many secrets and an overall understanding of ASOIAF, but I think more than that, you have discovered a way (Georges way rather) that each characters arc is laid out. And now that the story makes more sense we can guess at the many paths of the future ( when expectations are subverted it will be because their are so many options). Here's to your health!

Thank you for this. In the longer podcast I have a harder time following due to memory problems. Condensing it down makes it much easier for me to stay on topic. As always love your opinions and can't wait for the next one. Stay safe

The art in this video is utterly beautiful. Everyone involved deserves applause. Thank you. And thank you LmL for the amazing content.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

thinking of doing an art appreciation stream where I just show off all the art by every artist i use, one at a time

love how you have the credit for the art on the actual piece in the actual video, nice touch LML!

Watching this video makes it hurt again how much both Stannis and Jon's characters went over D&D's heads, lol. Then again, Val was one of the characters they cut out. What I still wonder is where Shireen's going to play into all this in the books. They did say her being burned was one of the 3 big moments that came from George. Book Stannis doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would just do that to this daughter for the same reason, but maybe Melisandre will get his mind warped into doing it. I can totally see it being in some form of sacrifice, regardless.

@made-line7627

3 жыл бұрын

Depending how desperate his cause gets, a desperate man will do things that he would never otherwise do.

@ampople

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think book Stannis is going to burn Shireen. I think that's a decision that's going to be made without him.

@made-line7627

3 жыл бұрын

@@ampople Yeah that's also possible. If Preston Jacobs' theories on the Northern Conspiracy are more or less correct, Stannis isn't in that poor of a position. He has a good chance of winning. So, I do wonder how and when Shireen being burnt will play into the saga. There's a lot to be discovered with her and Patchface, though. He could be her saviour or her death. Alt Shift X semi-recently did a great video on Patchface. Just lays out a lot of interesting details. Check-check-check it out. He and Shireen's relationship is definitely important and will play a part in the upcoming story (if/when we get it).

@Ash.Crow.Goddess

3 жыл бұрын

Shireen will burn, though. With Jon getting rid of innocents with Kings blood, like Aemon and Mance's son, it's all but assured. She's the only one he won't be able to save. Also, I bet it will happen after his "death" before he resurrects.

@autje1970

3 жыл бұрын

I think the general expectation is that Melisandre burns Shireen at the Wall (remember, they are both there and not with Stannis) to resurrect Jon. Only death can pay for life.

Many people consider Mel to be Stannis’s true queen as well, and she has a lottttt of parallels with Nissa Nissa.

@Luke-nn4pm

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he kills Melisandre for burning Shireen🧐

@bvici22

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Mel is actually Jons mom and that makes him fire and ice Ned is Jons real dad and Ned met Mel during the rebellion at the white knife used to sneak back to winterfell with a fisherman and his daughter the dad died she’s supposedly the “Willia” that Ned says he got pregnant to Robert and others but was Mel at that point she got caught by the slaving ships there near bravos they sold her the temple of Rollor now shes back. She also tells Jon a lot and that Jon will choose her and believe her words I forgot but few references

@bvici22

3 жыл бұрын

I’m joking about that though lol

Thanks Dave! Another great video, also the quavo sound bite was a great surprise

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t say “ice chain” without hearing his voice lol

I need to go back and binge through the Great Empire of the Dawn videos! Loved the bird appearance at the end as well, he/she is absolutely gorgeous 😍 Please make cute bird conversation a regular feature 😂

Great video as usual. Keep it up! Also, that is some amazing artwork you've used.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

thanks, I spend a lot of time digging for it :)

Wonderful video! So well explained and presented. You just keep getting better and better at this work. You would be a remarkable literature professor.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Tracy ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@Ash.Crow.Goddess

3 жыл бұрын

Move over, Robert Langdon.

Great video. I really hope we get Winds.... everyone’s arcs are on the verge of so much awesome stuff.

So, I'd long thought that the Last Hero was the first human to control the Others, and that there were several to succeed him. Recall that Maester Aemon gives the clue that "the cold preserves." My guess is that Jon is merely the next to sacrifice his mortal life to have some extended, ice-magic life and keep the Others (originally created and controlled by the Children) in the land of always winter, far from the realms of men. In that regard, the "long night" followed by a new "night's king/last hero/whatever" is a cycle that will keep repeating. I think Bran has to fit into this somehow. We know he has the power to warg humans. I bet that comes into play.

@jdhur3

3 жыл бұрын

If it was the children who created the Others then why not simply undone them ? There are zero reason to just keep them away. I dont think the Others are linked to the children, i think there probably some sort of ancient and forgotten race that have been in war with the children since the ancient time, maybe even before the empire of dawn. There are clues that some forgotten race have left some stranges ruines and even legends of humanoid creatures (Leng and also in the far east of essos) so maybe the Others come from the same period of time that these others stranges creatures.

@benjaminfink8393

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdhur3 why would the children be able to unmake them? Might be that one cannot undo that corruption

Thank you! Beautiful Mormont/Oden/pirate symbolism at the very end!

Great video ! Damn you are getting good at this .

LML is the reason I’m able to make it through the work day. Thank you kind sir! 😊

Love your content. Keep it up.

I’m grateful for your seemingly endless content.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

thanks i’ve been doing it a while now, fortunately ASOIAF has basically everything in life that you could ever want to talk about in it

@shaycase1834

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer yes it does i spend 30 out of 40 hours of my work week listening to you mostly

I've always thought that Ned's mother was another cousin of the Starks. Making his grandparents both full Targaryen and full Stark and the balance of Ice and Fire.

@arawn1061

Жыл бұрын

Fully inbred you mean

Really enjoyed this one..

Always a pleasure listening to your theories. Love the idea that azor ahai is not a hero but the night king... Looking forward to wow and hope to see you're theories come true

Excellent work LML

I needed something I can fall asleep to and there you are.

I love these videos! I was sitting here thinking that the black in the black ice armor might be key, alluding to dragon glass or valaryan steel especially since Jon combines ice and fire so well, and then it is brought up in the video. Love the look-at-this-from-every-angle approach.

LMLB bringing that 🔥 🔥 Much love from Orlando! #shadowclones

Excellent video all around.

Uoure my fave ASOIAF youtuber, you couod teach a college course on this stuff, man. Keep up the great work.

@sabrinakrisb4672

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking!

@jonhauge-evaldsson783

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

Awesome theory! Thank you for all that you do! Also cute bird ❤️

there is another things that also comes to mind, the importance that Jon gives to not bring bastards children to the world, so what I mean is that whoever his sons will be, he will never make them bastards, he will recognize them, this is very important for him. Also Val is like a mother to "Monster" (a "cold mother" by the way she speaks of him). Monster was going to be turn into one of the Others before escaping, another foreshadowing more likely that Val is the future cold mother of the Others...

Have you considered the Dothraki bloodriders when looking for similarities between the Others and Kingsguard? They are like the OG Kingsguard afterall :D Also, I know show != books, but in the show all the others collapsed when the NK died, and in the books it is suggested that when the Khal dies so do his bloodriders. Or they are supposed to avenge him or something.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

Actually there’s more evidence for that than you know. Check out the prophecy of the Stallion Who Mounts and his riders covering the earth with shining swords... and compare it to the Dothraki Ghost Grass prophecy. Ghost grass looks like a field of Dawn swords, so they are actually the same prophecy. And it’s very Otherish.

Great video

love your work

you are very good at this

excellent video

When people ask me why I say this story is not over, those people are not my people. You and the others who watch your videos and comment are my people. Thank you for keeping the story alive. You've got to be a wizard or a mind reader, I don't need to know how you do this but hats off to you LML.

So forgive me if I'm wrong, but the way I interpreted this video was that Stannis is almost trying to force his way into the Azor Ahai role (Positioning himself at Dragonstone, lighting the sword, producing shadow babies with Melisandre, etc) whereas Jon is naturally becoming more like Azor Ahai through his actions (unbeknown to him) and the general different characters he meets and scenarios he faces. Ghost being a shadow, Mel showing up and potentially being his queen, Jon being ressurected, etc. Really interesting video and one of the coolest takes on Azor Ahai / Night King stuff that I've seen.

@DavidLightbringer

Жыл бұрын

That’s a really great observation actually, I love it!

Need you in the writers room for the Jon Snow sequel… this is it

Azor Ahai has a lot of Luciferian parallels - but I'm stating the obvious here right? Or preaching to the converted at any rate 🤷🏻‍♀️

@zehsackett6132

4 ай бұрын

Lightbringer/Lucifer was Satan's angel name.

Could Jon giving his seed and soul to Danny be analogous to the Nightsking/queen situation? Instead of a cold, corpse like queen, Jon would be the cold, corpse-like king (after the pink letter situation) while Danny would be like the Nightsking, dressed in black (as Targaryans and Nightswatch members did)?

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

For sure, we could see that kind of inversion absolutely

One question LmL, in Dany's POV chapters it implied that the dragon has three heads/three figuers to defeat the Others and end the Long Night, we know that Jon is one of them, but do you see Bran being the third head of the dragon given the fact that he has a lot of parallels to Dany's story, and him being a natural born ruler?

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

I think it will be Euron as a dragon riding NK. That’s my hunch

@brandonlambert9768

3 жыл бұрын

Is Bran a natural-born ruler, though? He was the spare, not the heir, and Robb legitimized Jon in his will, which gives Jon a legitimate claim to Winterfell. I'm sure Bran will play an integral role in the defeat of the others but I doubt it is as one of the three heads of the dragon.

Oh hurray! What a wonderful surprise!

Gread video, thanks.

LmL, my man! Always a pleasure to leave a like in the first second

Next time on Mythical Astronomy, LML is joined by Stannis and Mance to talk symbolism 🔥❄

And a big thanks to LML for tonight’s upcoming Ice Spider nightmares. Cheers dude.

Is there any chance Mellisandre ends up with Stannis sword running through her heart?

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, for sure when he finds out about Shireen

@mauldania8947

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLightbringer I think I know the answer to this but any chance he does it instead of Shireen for a redemption arc. What he should of done instead of killing Renly?

@janpiorko3809

3 жыл бұрын

Mauldania Renly deserved his fate.

@mauldania8947

3 жыл бұрын

@@janpiorko3809 I don't totally disagree but Stannis clearly has some remorse for his action.

@helenrose5383

3 жыл бұрын

Does Stannis know that he killed Renly, though?

The amount of work that goes into things like this is crazy, even though it’s obviously not the case at all it’s still really impressive

Love the way you analise the symbols, it's helping me with my own novel. It's more of a alternative 15th century scenario, very much based on Judeo-Christian-Islamic culture in every dream.

I had asked this on the last stream but I had arrived too late so I'll leave this here as it's somewhat related. I know that it's no news that George pulls in a lot of inspiration from Nordic myth but I find that not many people actually dive deep into it, and seeing as how you have a knack for mythology, I'd say this is right in your wheelhouse. So, what do you think of the parallels between Jon or Stannis and the fire giant Surtr from the Norse mythology? He is the "Black one", guards the realm Muspell (land of fire, the opposite of lands of always winter), carries a burning sword, during Ragnarök fights against and kills the god Freyr (anglicized as Frey, heh), sort of breaks the Bifröst Bridge (a direct parallel to the Wall), and then lights the whole fucking planet on fire. That's not all, after he opens the way the frost giants Jötunn and "all the warriors from Hel" (basically Nordic Hades, ruled by the goddess Hel) will invade, being led by none other than Loki the Deceiver himself. There are multiple parallels between Hel and Melisandre, and between Loki and Bloodraven, though I'm sure you can find much more than that. Freyr is an interesting figure as well, outside of the similarities to House Frey with his name, he is a figure of bountiful harvest, virility, has a lot of phallic symbolism. Not that far off from old Walder with his extremely virile offspring making processes. But Freyr is also very similar to Garth Greenhand, especially with Stannis (Surtr/Grey King) killing Renly (Freyr/Garth). There is also that one event which I will directly quote from Wikipedia: "The most extensive surviving Freyr myth relates Freyr's falling in love with the female jötunn Gerðr. Eventually, she becomes his wife but first Freyr has to give away his sword which fights on its own "if wise be he who wields it." Although deprived of this weapon, Freyr defeats the jötunn Beli with an antler. However, lacking his sword, Freyr will be killed by the fire jötunn Surtr during the events of Ragnarök." I mean, you could make an entire hour's worth of video with that quote alone, it even has antler symbolism! I'm not even getting into the other parallels between Nordic and ASoIaF figures like Tyr and Jaime or Fenrir and Bran (tying Jaime's hand getting cut off directly to him pushing Bran out of the tower with that same hand is actually so fucking cool in that context), buuuuut if you were to talk about those as well, I wouldn't be the one to say no.

I think he wants us to see the imagery and see just how many people can fill a prophecy but don’t because really we become a sum of our choices... it’s not just a pile of options look at the choices those options have been making... also really like not only the effort but also the tone of your presentations.

This is such a book breaking revelation. To have the idea of the hero everyone references throughout the narrative from days of yore being the actual main villain and creator of the Long Night and the Others.

Just read the title, haven’t listened. Yes, same character, you are correct sir!

This guy is on the content train holy crap! 🚂

I love your videos!! I thought I had heard every possible theory regarding GoT, but I love your takes which feel refreshing and new! I also love the creepy background music! Would you please tell me the name of the song?

@DavidLightbringer

2 ай бұрын

it's my original music

We are blessed by you my good man

I like this theory however depending on the ice black armor could that be his nights watch armor frozen on his body I mean when the others come temperatures get frozen more so then when they aren’t there and Jon is fighting the army of others so depending on how much time has passed he could be freezing from the outside in and that is why his armor is frozen black right?

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

Could be but I think it’s a symbol , and not something so literal, as it appears in compliment with his brining red sword, which is a powerful symbol n

Enjoyable stuff 😎😎😎 Will you be rolling Moons of Ice and Fire with Blood Of The Other no. 6 into these new videos? Also, think you mentioned in moons were going to do a video on all the horns?

Rewatching this for probably the 5th time. This lore is some of my favorite in all the history of Planetos.

@SmoteMyRuin

Жыл бұрын

🐉🤘🖤🔥

Doing another binge of your amazing videos and if nights king/azor ahai/last hero archetypes come in pairs and is as you say a family affair it might be significant that Jon looks to stannis as some kind of a father figure.

Third. I have been waiting for this.

As for Stannis using Mel's magic to (symbolically or literally) hypnotizing people, I think it's far more accurate to say he's one of the hypnotized. For example, it's kinda baffling how his attitude to religion changes whenever Mel isn't around. He prohibits his men from making sacrifices to R'hllor during his campaign against the Boltons, he suddenly turns (or maybe reverts?) into a cynic who almost sounds like an atheist when speaking about religion, etc.... - but as soon as he's around Mel, he turns into this religious hyper-fanatic LARPing as Azor Ahai, burning statues and even people, etc.

Big fan of the theory that the sacrifice jon makes is leaving his friends and family behind to curb the others violence towards people and mediate peace. You could have it to where dany rules the seven kingdoms as fire and Jon rules the others as ice but a different sort of “ice”. If they have a child that child would be the future and the symbolic merging of the two.

@theonewhotripped2269

3 жыл бұрын

ooo i feel like that could a little bit make sense with the weird ass ending the show gave him to- the series ends with jon permanently going ‘north’

@Luke-nn4pm

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Jon and Dany having a child would really do much thematically, as Jon himself already fills that role (assuming R+L=J)

@shaunkerr8721

3 жыл бұрын

@@Luke-nn4pm As GRRM said the ending will be bittersweet. Imagine Jon's hatred of being a bastard and how bittersweet it would be to know he has created a child w Danny (out of wedlock) and that going North and becoming the new Nightsking will keep his son safe, but, will make him a bastard. Then imagine that his son will grow up to murder his father to end the threat of the Others forever, not knowing it was his father as Danny would never tell him the truth (who would say "your dad is the Nightsking?" This This would paralell Ned lying to Jon, btw) It's getting v Oedipus. All we need is for their child to sleep w Danny which would never happen, right? Oh, Targaryians are all about incest...

So many new parallels to be eagerly gobbled up 🍽 ...And Stannis obviously needs to gobble *something* Give 'im a serve.

@subroy7123

3 жыл бұрын

Wyman Manderly: Best pies you've ever tasted Your Grace....

@made-line7627

3 жыл бұрын

@@subroy7123 Give him some Frech Frays on the side 🍟

Damn. Some deep stuff, LML!

I do not understand, how is it that this video has over 9000 views and less than 1000 likes? Most of everyone agrees that LML brings quality talking points and is open to discuss nearly any theory that someone brings forward. People at least give the guy a thumbs up, he deserves that much for giving us quality content. Keep doing what your doing LML, I admire your enthusiasm and dedication to Hippy Martin's love story. (Also, not sure if you have mentioned this or not but question for you LML: is anyone in the North, as in beyond The Wall, named Jon? If not, could the Wildlings have had a terrible experience with someone with that name? After all, the North remembers...)

You blew my mind in the first 30 seconds!!! Ice shadow clones yesssssssssss

at about 26min of this discussing ie. Starks as relatives to Azor (who was perhaps a dragon lord), occurred that in TSoIF there's mentioned legends of dragons sleeping bellow Winterfell. Unsure which book its referenced

We have Bran the Builder who's using architectural magic and/or technology not seen in Westeros before or since to build all these fabled structures that last throughout time. LML and Aziz I think, have an excellent clue as to where to look for who might have been behind that in the Great Empire of the Dawn. One of them, the base of the Hightower, was built by Brandon or his son Brandon. A Stark ancestor is Brandon of the Bloody Blade killed a heck of a lot of CotF, which I think is probably tied into whatever the GEotD was doing in Westeros. Brandon seems unique among the children of Garth Greenhand to have an appetite for this sort of thing. So, I imagine Bran the Builder's archaeological prowess indicates that the Starks potentially (along with Dayne, Hightower and Lannister) can be traced to the GEotD. Another maybe hint is a bloody blade that has far more durability than bronze would indicate. So I'm of the opinion that it was Brandon's son who built the Hightower on Battle Isle. And I think this family application and LML's wanting to tie Azor Ahai to both House Stark and Essos really fits his theory well.

By the Gods! Maybe the night’s king has the crown of winter!?

There is a possible symbolic link between House Stark and the Gemstone Emperors. The chalice Mace Tyrell gives Joffrey just before the Purple Wedding has the Stark direwolf on it in pearl. (Along with an onyx stag, opal sun and blue jade falcon.)

@DavidLightbringer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ve wondered about that before, buts there’s not much to make of it, like no other clues that complement it

W channel frfr

Wow dude. You just made me realize why anyone resurrected by R’llhor seems to hone in on their dying wish: they are shadows. And shadows chase that which makes them.

@DavidLightbringer

3 жыл бұрын

that's one way to look at it, yes.

amazing