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Love your channel, more Nietzsche video essays please.

@jamshaidbaloch2349

5 жыл бұрын

I Agree!

i don‘t think it was Nietzsches opinion that torturing is pleasurable. He is just making observations of human behavior.

@OldSchopenhauer

2 жыл бұрын

This guy denying that probably played hours of violent video games.

Your videos are really, really good. Soon you will grow.

Philosophy has always been dangerous. It got Socrates killed and you demonetized. Most interesting indeed.

@MrIPL-ff2sd

2 ай бұрын

Philosophy never killed him,, it's the ignorant cowards who saw elegant knowledge threating their existence

Damn! Brilliant sound effect! Very suspenseful and matches perfectly with the essay.

Thank you, these are absolutely incredible.

Great analysis-there is a way of interpreting Nietzsche which I resonate with, but he certainly can/does inspire thought currents I’m not terribly fond of.

Your videos are fantastic. I just discovered your channel the other day and have been binge watching them daily. I send them to friends and share the wealth. It is a crime that you don't have more followers. I hope this changes soon!

I just discovered your channel and am so surprised it is not better known ! It is insightful and highly pedagogical, thank you for this relevant content.

I think your interspersion in the middle of the essay was very well done. Sometimes (at least for me), videos at around the 7-8 minute mark start to loose their focus. I loose the train of thought and find my self wondering 'what am I doing here?' A break every now and then, makes it more 'interesting' and gives some of your points more context. All in all, I think the video and the essay - as always - was excellent. Keep it up! :)

one of the best channels i have come across. thank you.

Amazing work. Will wait for more!!

I appreciate your efforts! Love your contents!

@ThenNow

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

this was absolutely wonderful thankyou

This is so insightful

"Future bears much bigger conflicts in which french commune will look like little stomachache" - Dawn of the Idols

Damn fucking hell Nietzsche was brilliant on this, sort of, I can see where Deleuze came from, moving beyond social Darwinism and also one of weakness. Perhaps maybe we could move to ethics based around our core vulnerabilities being affirmed and difference being used not to bring others down but to empower people. Like when we strip ourselves to our core and show ourselves in our completely worst light, it gives us a basis to move from, it gives us a place to say “I am this, and what?” Being able to accept our vulnerability not in a way to bring others down, but to be a place for ourselves to be reborn in affirming our limits, accepting them, but not letting them define us. Using them as tools for a better life. Idk if any of this made sense to anyone but myself right this second. But idk I am happy :)

Hi, great video, when will you do one on the last essay? That one is the longest and most complex, difficult to wrap my mind around it without reading an analysis of it. Would gladly contribute to your Patreon if/when you make that video. Cheers!

Is there a video on essay 3? Really helpfull in understanding the essays itself after having read them. Looking forward to hear from you

Great essay. I dig all your critiques and thoughts of his that are problematic.

Stop not, oh bridge to the Overman! I just joined Patreon to support you.

And here I was, about to ask you if you were going to make a follow-up to the first Genealogy video! Maybe you could make a video about one of Nietzsche's earlier works, like "On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense" or "On the Use and Abuse of History for Life". Either of those would be great source material! They're short, fairly systematic, and require very little background knowledge (not to mention they aren't mandatory reading in undergraduate courses).

Fantastic work.

Thank you.

Well done. Thank you.

Oh please make a video for the 3rd essay as well! These rule!

These are great, just found you

Apprecate your art. The visual aesthetics, music and overall production lends conviction to your critique. Anyone who has a basic familiarity with Nietzsche can easily discern that he was a radical individualist. For any group to "co-opt" his work as a tool to advance their cause is automatically antithetical to his work, especially collectivist & nationalist ideologies. Nietzsche was nefariously co-opted by the National-Socialists but the same could be said of the Post-Modernists. He loathed *Nationalism* but equally abhorred *Equality.*

@Sepazuzu

4 жыл бұрын

Tübermensch yessir

@finneganlindsay

2 жыл бұрын

Just wait until you hear about this "Nietzschean communism" you hear spewed by ignorant kids on the internet who couldn't let go of their leftist ideologies if their life depended on it

I saw a short excerpt from Bigthink in your Neuropolitics vid and thought you might have trouble for such use of content. Some KZreadrs avoid strikes by making the clips they comment on take up less than 50% of the screen. Maybe this could be of help. Overall, Patreon is the way to go, much more sustainable in the long run but harder to build a community. Wish you luck m8, you make uber-vids. :)

This was a very balanced take of Nietzsche's views.

Great video

Wow! Thank you!

Please more Nietzsche specially more geonolagy of morals and beyond good evil

Great stuff! I just tried to tip you on PayPal, but I was keen to leave a comment... is there no way you can enable tippers to say hi and thank you on that platform?

To be fair Nietzsche wrote 'The Geneology of Morality', because his book 'Beyond Good & Evil' was not selling as well as he had hoped. He wanted to provoke people into buying 'Beyond Good & Evil' using some extremely radical (polemic) arguments in the relatively small book 'The Geneology of Morality'. In my opinion 'Beyond Good & Evil' is the superior book of the two, even though it is still Nietzschean and polemic, it does explain the radical ideas way better and gives them more grounding.

@andrewenrique5503

5 жыл бұрын

Source?

Subscribed. please do Thus Spoke Zarathustra, I really want to know your opinions and a simplified explanation on all its chapters.

@ThenNow

5 жыл бұрын

Good to have you - will def get to Zarathustra soon! I'm a bit Nietzsched out at the moment :)

Please post essay 3 😭

This is wonderful! I have to set up a PayPal account..

1:50 Wow! I'm already 🤦🏻‍♂️

When he says there is no greater pleasure than making someone else suffer does he mean that as in there is none for a group of people he's talking about or is he meaning it in a way like he is sadistic?

Where's just "the right"? Is everything you disagree with just labeled far right? I have yet to see anyone mention just "the right".

Mandatory "KZread is broken" comment because it is. Your video's on Niet-chan are my favorite of yours, simultaneously fair and pointing out the good while still calling the things out that need to be in a tactful way

@ElefantPenisJr

5 жыл бұрын

Is't it amazing how the slave and master morality are embodied in Hunter x Hunter? The Hunter association is basically a merit-based aristocracy, where those with enough Will to Power can manifest the master morality they see fit.

@HxH2011DRA

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElefantPenisJr I'd say the series is more Epicurean in nature, tho the parallels are there with niet-chan 4 sure

@ElefantPenisJr

5 жыл бұрын

@@HxH2011DRA Could you elaborate? I'm not familiar with Epicurus' philosophy.

@HxH2011DRA

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElefantPenisJr haven't finished the 3rd part on hxh yet but you can read the first 2 parts and get a general idea elevenxheaven.wordpress.com/2018/10/20/the-philosophy-of-togodshi-part-1-yu-yu-hakushos-spectre-of-the-political/

Real question - how to actualize own potential without violence? Is it possible?

...his point on pride is very intriguing regarding raising up children: He said: " it is best for your children to be raised by their aunts...

he never talks about physical strength, he talks of the strength of will to destroy the old values and become a creator of the new and that is true for the weak as well, those who lack the fortitude to forge their own path and follow in the well-trodden path of the herd before them And please stop pushing this alt right point that Nietzsche agrees with their world view because his writing was co-opted by Nazis, they wish they were creators and ubermensch but they have and always and will always be a herd following anyone that can justify their values because they are too weak to will their own values.

5:55 "bad conscience"... -Sartre's "bad faith"(not authentic)? -Freud's or Marx's "false consciuosness" (internalization or acceptance of what dominates an individual)? -Du Bois "double consciousness" (blacks wearing a white mask)?

morality is a method of control and a restriction, the only guide a human needs to do "good" or desrieable action is one which he can perform without harming his own mental well being for doing it, the ones why this does not work for are ones that feel no empathy nor sympathy to other beings either due to feeling of superiority or just plain alienation from them

7:30 but he does! He acknowledges strength in slave morality, read again and pay attention.

@daPawlak

5 жыл бұрын

For me the basic mistake is to assume that new ethics are supposed to be based on masters morality. N likens masters to animals, implying that slave morality caused technological and artistic progress. We reading tend to find N sympathising with masters side but he does that cos we find it harder l, living in slave morality times harder to understand masters perspective. In fact both are out dated. I agree with you that there is no on fit all solution provided for new ethics, but I don't think N would suggest we get back to either of this past modes, rather each create new values for themselves if they are capable to do so.

@mementocatharsis9372

5 жыл бұрын

Read John Ruskins views on morality. He's a less known philosopher but his views about morality seem to be about combining slave and master morality. In fact he has a very good argument for why they are actually the same thing. I'm srry I cant reference anything, it was some time ago.

The latest fad that seems to be doing the rounds amongst the middle class professionals at the moment, is to do something seemingly exotic and adventurous, like walking the Great Wall of China, for charity. There is a whole industry setup to cater for these fallen nuisances. They are so manipulative, like an insurance salesman claiming that buying his product is definitive of your love for your family. The charities they support are either personally linked or overtly sentimental, I have never yet been ask to sponsor them to aide a charity that supports the needs of refugees, or for that matter, anything to do with mental illness. They feel the guilt that is part of the very structure of their existence, and flee from it in the way the heard flees. They seem Tranquillised by the assurance of receiving popular approval from the worthy. Why do they not stay with this individualising anxious guilt and look for something that really is a creative personal challenge, an original take on some great authentic deeds back in their cultures history.

Is "bad conscience" the thing that keeps us stuck,paralyzed in life?

I’m a little confused. You say morality comes from power, not Justice, but doesn’t he define Justice as a result of power. “Accordingly, only once the law has been established do ‘justice’ and ‘injustice’ exist…” (Treatise 2, end of Section 11) Laws, he continues to say, that are reinterpreted and upheld by whoever has the most power

@thebrutusmars

Жыл бұрын

Similarly at around 3:57 you quote this, but he’s not attributing this to himself. After he quotes this, he proceeds to say “that is a first principle from the most ancient (unfortunately also longest) psychology on earth.” This, to me, suggests that he doesn’t believe this is the best way of achieving that end, though in all fairness, you’re not saying he thinks it is.

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Stop correlating Nietzsche with the herd polarities of Left and Right. He was for neither. He was for the individual who could rise above the flotsam of populism and nationalism.

If the strong cant defend themselves against the resentful. Then they are weak

A strong person is good noble and impressive

I see a Pitcairn in your credits - are you Swedenborgian, or at least know what one is 😁?

Clearly Nietzsche is difficult. No one should read him and make any snap judgements. One thing I will say though is surely we can say many people with right wing views are full of ressentiment. They think it is someone else fault their lives suck. Nietzsche would have no kind words for such people. As far as the strong and capable setting the standards goes who is the strong and capable? If you read Hegels master slave dialectic it isn't necessarily those in power.

I think the sterilisation was un-necessary.

Lewis: I like how much you emphasize Habermas’ ‘public sphere’ for democratic discussion/argumentation. The structure of YT is oppressive in how it gives power to YT channel users in discussion at the expense of other commenters. Though, on your last video you removed my 1st intellectual property abolition thread without notice to me. And you removed another comment in this video. So instead of immediately removing comments (or blocking users) from now on, I have a suggestion that you respond to each user with the same or similar following comment: “YT channel users can remove any comments and block other users from commenting for any reason. This is anti free speech and gives power to YT channel users at the expense of other users commenting on their channel. Your last comment _________, however I won’t immediately remove this comment. So instead I’m giving you until 24 hours from now to explain why I shouldn’t remove your last comment. (I’m also open to hearing explanations from anyone for why/how I should change this process)” Please let me know your thoughts. You could substitute “remove your comment” with “block you” or “remove your comment & block you” whenever it seems appropriate. It’s also important YT channels don’t ban any particular terms: *All terms can be ethically used in the right context* . It would be very beneficial for free speech & democracy on the internet if more channel users (& users/mods/platform holders on other sites) started conducting themselves like this.

Watch out, my good comrades! There's wrongthink in these ideas!

~7:30 i believe you fundamentally misunderstand N here. He mentions (in other works but also in this book i believe) that slave morality was necessary for intelectual progress and he also claims that it was source of immense power of perseverence of Jewish nation.

@FrankiePanaia

4 жыл бұрын

yes, but was it a 'good' thing?

@daPawlak

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrankiePanaia good for who?

We need to get Nietzsche back into leftist and left-leaning intelectual spaces. Precisely because he is so problematic. We can't shut down to all that we don't like. Smart people can be wrong, and still say something valuable and on the flip site we can be on "the correct side" politically but be "wrong" or "bad" . Basically we need nuance

@FrankiePanaia

4 жыл бұрын

more than "nuance" what you seek is a total inversion / bastardization of Nietzsche's corpus to align with your slave morality of the Left.

@daPawlak

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrankiePanaia waiting on your answer on my second comment. I am really curious about your interpretation of N

Not to be nitpicky but the brain visualisation is reversed.. great video btw ahhah

Strength and power are just means to an end. Nietzsche loses sight of this.

@MacSmithVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Except he doesn't

@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676

4 жыл бұрын

What?

"problematic"

first

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Hard to respect a man who uses the word problematic. Unsurprisigbly he is British. Nietszche hated democracy, hated socialisam, hated the notion of equality. He advovated for patriotism, women in the home producing children and strength. The right don't 'co-opt' Nietszche. He shares most of their perspectives.

“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” -FN In this passage, FN calls to us to realize what we lose when we give up the idea of God as a supernatural measure of our own morality, i.e., a standard? He predicts that something/someone will rise to replace God in our lives. In this way he predicts the dictators and totalitarian regimes that sought to elevate a personality and the State as the perfect replacement of God? It is SO easy to see his writings being used to justify the crimes of the 20th century. His thought appeals most to those who see themselves as possessing the "Master Morality" position; allowing them to justify any acts taken from that position of superiority.

How dare someone be on the "far right" LOL

Havent watched the full video but Im a believer in God (an ultimate being that governs all entenies in the universe). I just feel like a guilty conscience is your understanding that youve broken something youve sworn not to break. But sometimes its hard to find forgiveness because youre scared of how your words might impact reality. (Your worde=the truth). Its just knowing you arent supposed to be where you are because you took a path you maybe werent supposed to take. This coincides with Free Will. I believe there is free will, we just have an understanding that it CAN be fixated. With coincides with govt. Mind control and the rabbit hole goes deeper. Idk maybe Im crazy lol

I know Nietzche has a reputation for being a muse for edgy and depressed teens but I'm oddly motivated by some of his ideas. Everyone will fall short of their own ideals in one form or another, so trying to moralize others and punish for the sake of punishment is fruitless in my view. Then the day will come when your conscience is turned on itself, and the same resentment for those you judge will return to you when you inevitably fall short. If mankind is sinful in nature then resentment and hatred is as irrational as hating an earthquake or disease. I'm not saying that our emotions will all of a sudden transform in the presence of irrationality but maybe it isn't reasonable either to punish and inflict pain against what you consider evil for "justice". You're just drunk on God's authority.

Want to know what happens when a slave misunderstands Nietzsche? Watch and find out.

Where is essay 3 for satans sake?

Far right bad far left good

N is really a kind of pornography of strength.

@mouwersor

3 жыл бұрын

He sees the value of strength, which has been forgotten/subdued due to slave-morality

I love your work. However, the "enjoyment of torture" is not a far-right value as you seem to claim. Indeed, "totalitarian" is not a far-right aspect at all. Totalitarian is, of any ideology, that gives a whole prescription of orientation/belonging/morality and insists on a right and wrong down to every action. Islam, is an example of such an ideology. Ironically, your tethering of torture to the far-right, is something you are instructed to do, by contemporary liberal/progressive hegemony, which is invasively totalitarian already, and reaching further its grasp every day. Your obvious fear in this video, reinforces the terror in us all.

Someone is drowning in slave morality. The phrase "will to power" is "problematic"? *vomit*

@Nootathotep

4 жыл бұрын

lol you're a meme

@MacSmithVideo

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nootathotep flattery will get you nowhere

neitsze (he of the unspellable name) goes to tortuous lengths trying to define right and wrong (or good and evil) in a godless plane......its difficult to do....so instead of using 'God' as the ultimate driver and/or first cause neitszhe merely strips from God the defining quality of God which is power ...and voila....neitzsehc has created his own neitzchan version of god which is power itself minus the god-personality ..........................having isolated god's power from God netzze then proceeds to attribute that power to himself and inculcate godness into himself and implies every man does the same. Guilt becomes wrapped up in convoluted backwards-forwards up-down offenses involving vartious near-grotesque attachments to 'power' (or the godless God as defined by netshe)....and a strange world where there are just weak or strong ......................thats what happens when one is full of unrequited rage arising from runaway untreated neurosyphilis...bizarreries become construed as profundities when evaluated by the broken mind striving to explain how it is still healthy and not consumed by decay of a hundred different pathologies.

@edthoreum7625

5 жыл бұрын

moral of story: it takes some virus in your body to kill (deconstruct/remake?)God or to bring about the postmoderns & existentialist movement?