That's not a hammer, that's "the witches finger" that begets the fire and releases the brimstone.

@timothy2935

4 жыл бұрын

I read your comment as it was focusing on the hammer and in my head went "oh God 😂" that thing is wicked looking habababab

@streamylc

4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't sure going about describing how much i like the aesthetics of this rifle.... lol your comment actually puts it into a very nice 'metaphorical nutshell'... pretty damn unique/artful mind was behind the designs of this gun especially for the time... looks like it could be a prop gun out of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or something

@benschmidt9532

4 жыл бұрын

shot forshot It looks like the bony finger of the grim reaper himself!

@shotforshot5983

4 жыл бұрын

@@benschmidt9532 I like that one too!

@justinrobert2770

4 жыл бұрын

It's the most metal hammer I've ever seen.

I'm guessing the auto indexing was a premium option for their rifles and probably more expensive than the manual indexing ones.

@borjesvensson8661

4 жыл бұрын

My guess was that they never got it to work reliably and simbly gave up putting in the parts.

Speaking of revolver rifles, hopefully you could get access to a Pieper Model 1893, an odd design that incorporates a sealed chamber system like the Nagant 1895 and Steyr 1893

@monkeylee4818

4 жыл бұрын

Yayo' Ariowibowo ahh, I have personally seen one of those before, in the police museum in Shanghai. It’s a pretty interesting weapon.

@kbjerke

4 жыл бұрын

Ian covered it here: www.forgottenweapons.com/mexican-pieper-revolving-carbine/ but sadly there is no video. We can hope!!

@darthandrew19905

4 жыл бұрын

Love using this in Battlefield 1 for some reason.

Revolving rifles/ carbines always hold a special place in my heart, and this is just gorgeous 👍

Just think how easy it would have been to put dimples in the back of the cylinder that would line it up, just dimples and a slightly longer lug on that lever.

@timothy2935

4 жыл бұрын

@@nirfz that's a good idea bro

@truckshackley373

4 жыл бұрын

A simple ball bearing with a spring behind mounted in the frame of the rifle to engage in the dimples would allow you to index the cylinder and provide tactile feedback to the shooter that the cylinder was lined up with the barrel

@lwilton

4 жыл бұрын

I'd bet that if you just lift the engagement lever part way you can feel when the cylinder is lined up and finish locking it in. Probably not all that fiddly at all. (Unless the cylinder is too hot to touch.)

Your videos are so good as there's no bullshit and they're all about just the guns. Your channel is rare as there's no merchandise plug, no pleading for subscriptions or patreons and no long essays about dollar shave club etc. Love the channel, keep up the good work Ian.

@GooseAtron5000

4 жыл бұрын

I believe the reason he doesnt turn his vids into an ad is because he dosent get sponsors but i could be wrong

@pathowgate2544

4 жыл бұрын

I just fast forward through ads

@tlw4237

4 жыл бұрын

I find ad-blockers work pretty well against youtube ads.

@industrialvectors

4 жыл бұрын

I agree yet this is not 100% factual. He actually thank Patreons and donators at the end of videos made possible by their donations. Sometimes he does plug explaining what patreon does. On In Range TV they also encourage donations and say that they understand if one cannot financially support them, to which they ask gently to consider subscribing, liking and or sharing their videos. Totally agree about the contents.

@TheMCCraftingTable

4 жыл бұрын

@@industrialvectors at least its still reasonable...

The perfect gun to take to a three-gun match along with a Menz Pocket Pistol and a Boys Anti-Tank Rifle. Okay, I'll stop now.

@ivanmonahhov2314

4 жыл бұрын

MC-255 a Russian revolver 12 gauge shotgun

@claycarmine7466

4 жыл бұрын

@@ivanmonahhov2314 woosh

@CiastoToKlamstwo

4 жыл бұрын

@@ivanmonahhov2314 what

@johnn8223

4 жыл бұрын

Does this mean a stage where you have to go from rifle to pistol is Boys 2 Menz?

@claycarmine7466

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnn8223 this guy wins

So, it's basically a manually operated, cap-and-ball Nagant

@stanhilt1912

4 жыл бұрын

Could you therefore, in theory, put a suppressor on the damn thing

@dothwalrus370

4 жыл бұрын

@@stanhilt1912, moderator. Being as it's an antique firearm, its a moderator.

@georgewood9482

4 жыл бұрын

@@stanhilt1912 in theory sure. Would have to be an absolutely massive suppressor though, like a water cooler bottle, to account for the huge volume of smoke that you get with black powder. Would love to see it tried out though, just for the sake of it!

@stanhilt1912

4 жыл бұрын

@@dothwalrus370 thank you sir, for providing me with the period correct terminology

@stanhilt1912

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgewood9482 In all honesty this was just a lame joke, however a watercooler sized suppressor for a black powder rifle is something I desperately need to see now.

If it took more than one shot you weren't using a Jakob

@Raven-Blackwing

4 жыл бұрын

True, but you can't fire this as fast as you pull the trigger.

@CardinalAsh

4 жыл бұрын

@igor šajinović Ah, Borderlands 1. Miss a shot, spend five minutes pulling the slide between your three shots. I preferred the S&S snipers - which is funny, because I used Jakobs a lot in 2.

I love how, because of there only being a revolving cylinder, the barrel is so comically long

Your videos are a huge improvement over texts that would give a brief description and a couple of photos (usually black and white) or illustrations of how firearms like these actually worked. If I had something like these videos when I was a teen, I would have considered going into machining.

I gotta wonder how many times the revolving rifle idea had to be tried before literally everyone finally understood that it was just a bad idea. Still cool to see and learn about though!

Always good to see firearms that you otherwise wouldn't, you always do a great job in explaining the mechanisms but also give a great account of the "thinking of the day" which lead to their creation. I'm British and served in the British Army for 7 years and had experience with the SLR and the SA80, my first video of yours that I watched was on the SA80 and I was thoroughly impressed with your knowledge and honesty, everyone knows that the first rifle had its flaws (and there were many), I don't know if you have done a review of the L85A3 SA80, I shall be looking right after this.

@tlw4237

4 жыл бұрын

My late father read the Sunday Express and I remember it kicking up an almighty stink when the SA80 was adopted. The paper identified a major fault in the rifle no-one else seemed to have spotted. Was this yet another practical, ergonomic or reliability problem? No. It was because the drill manual would have to be changed due to the bullpup’s shorter length and different configuration. Which meant drill couldn’t be done “properly” so the Guards would look a bit different when trooping the colour. Disgraceful! :-)

Bad and clumsy design or not, that is a cool looking gun! It's like what they imagined futuristic sci-fi guns would look like back then!

They had to make the barrel heavy for the extreme suppressive fire capabilities😂

looking back from the technology we have today, manually indexing a cylinder seems kind of nonsensical but for the time, still faster follow up shots than a single bore muzzle loader.

Gorgeous hammer , wery gothic look.

@gadsdenguy4880

4 жыл бұрын

A spooky scary skeleton’s finger

@George_Doc

4 жыл бұрын

The Finger Of Buddha.Indicates who should disappear.

@George_Doc

4 жыл бұрын

Do you remember skelet pistol from the movie "Existenze" ? He was shoots a tooths :)

Nice find, Ian. Thank you for bringing to us, your followers!

With cork in the wells for non-firing cylinders and the primer cap arrangement the risk of chain fire should be just about non existent.

Highly sophisticated with advanced craftsmanship all for it to have no system to line up the cylinder properly. Maybe that just adds to the strange archaic almost archane vibe to the gun, gotta love that skelly finger hammer.

Thanks for the great vid my friend love getting more knowlege on more facinating irons

My first thought is that maybe not all examples have the auto-indexing feature because it was a premium option? Maybe something you could pay that little bit extra for just to have a slight edge over other rifles.

You just made my day! Thanks!

well if you ran out of ammo you could destroy somone's skull with the barrel

New video first thing in the morning? Yes please!

Reminds me of a gun from Arcanum. Very Steampunk like.

This has inspired me to start collecting antique weaponry.

Very interesting Firearm Sir. Also have a Happy Labor day

Maby once your book in French rifles is done you could do a book on revolving rifles.

@benm5913

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. This. Very this.

I've always wondered why I never see old revolving rifles. Seems like it would have been a big thing at the same time as revolving pistols.

A very cool look, it reminds me of an old Spanish shotgun when it's sat in front of you. I think that they may have removed the auto rotating mechanism because some people may have tried pulling the trigger back before disengaging the cylinder and breaking the part that rotated it (possibly).

These guns made a lot of sense as repeaters ...especially before the invention of tube/magazine fed arms such as the Spencer . Having 5 quick shots was like having a real assault rifle in the 16-1700's.

@exploatores

4 жыл бұрын

this one was a cap and ball. so it might have had a few decades before. It was replaced by better stuff. I think it would be outgunned by a singelshoot trappdoor.

@tlw4237

4 жыл бұрын

A Dreyse needle rifle from 1840, just two years after this was made, would probably equal or better it in rate of fire when the time taken to reload the cylinder is taken into account. And with no risk of caps falling off nipples or, worse, a flash-over causing multiple discharges.

The Rossi Circuit Judge rifle chambered in 45lc and 410 is kinda like this. A weirdly cool rifle.

Nichols "I like it but it's missing something" Childs "Testicles?" Nichols "YES!!!!" 1:12

That is one good looking rifle

The bore of the bottom cylinder chamber is exposed, but it appears the front 'shroud' covers the other cylinders that are not lined up with the barrel.

Cool! Thank you.

I always liked revolving rifles,they're just cool looking.

I believe I have finally found the firearm my grandfather told be about how my great great great uncle helped make and this might be it.

I wish you could somehow get your hands on an MTs-255 shotgun, but I don't think any of those exist in US.

It seems like a cool weapon

I wonder if they had the "standard model;" and the "deluxe" rifle, with the deluxe rifle costing more and having the optional cylinder advance mechanism.

One obvious reason they might have gotten rid of that auto-index feature...the weapon would have been cocked and set to fire while the cylinder was completely unlocked. Firing in this condition would have been very easy, and probably dangerous to consistently disastrous.

Given the shape of the notches, it looks like maybe the additional action would have had problems with precise movement/over-turning of the chambers. Maybe there were issues with reliably lining up and holding the mating faces without manual assistance? Have you ever had the chance to play with one that *did* have the extra mechanism, or seen documentation as to the performance or consistency of that functionality?

Revolving action component. Yes!

Ya know, I'd almost trust that not to blow off my supporting hand.

I'd be very interested in seeing how difficult operating this non-indexing rifle is in a standing position.

With the primer nipples located on the circumference of the cylinder instead of the back of it like the Colt I imagine firing the gun with the caps on the inverted side of the cylinder might shake them loose if the caps don't fit tight like some don't.

I'm liking this rifle. Considering the conical mating surfaces why not put a front grip other than weight? Cost?

i wonder if how it seals at the front there would help to reduce chain fires much

Part of the fun of watching technology evolve is the different attempts at new ideas. It may not have worked, but you have to give them an attaboy for trying something new.

It looks like they had a good chain fire solution, and even if it did. it wasn't going to take your hand off.

Besides the fact it is interesting how rifles with a revolving drum works, they remind me of borderlands sniper rifles

Nicee,i was just watching the HK4 video

you just use both hands one on the lever and one on the cylinder to readily find the match and lock it in -- probably only a few min practice to get good at it

Looks like it balances like a chunk of 3/4” rebar. 😳

I wonder how well the gas seal prevented chain fires, the main problem with cap-and-ball revolving rifles is the chance of shooting the fingers of your support hand off.

@tlw4237

4 жыл бұрын

As well as shooting off your supporting hand there’s also the entertaining prospect of a chain fire destroying the cylinder wall right next to your face. Whether it worked well or not, the presence of the (supposed) gas seal doesn’t seem to have convinced many people to actually go out and buy one of these.

I was wondering about the circular marks in the patch box. They look like the artifacts left after using a Forstner bit, but maybe they were for some particular accessory. Anybody know?

Half octagon half round I like

Ooooh I'm early, also man that gun is pretty, love the stock

Have you ever handled a rossi circuit judge ? If so what are your thoughts ?

hilarious - and this was used? - ever? but love you videos - way cool .

Thats pretty neat

Maybe someone actually did this, but the long standing problem with revolver action long guns has been the gas venting at the forcing cone. This one and others attempted to solve this by a doubled nesting forcing cone seal design. Thats a partial solution but it seems that the real problem is that they put the cylinder in the wrong place. Even on revolver pistols, theres some of this that occurs but its mild enough that most people can tolerate it. Theres two ways to really solve this. Either individually or with the double nested forcing cones. One, you move the cylinder forward of the hand grip That way theres no more than with a regular revolver. This will however only work for carbine type form factors as balance would be too off for any thing with a long heavy barrel. But something the size of a mares leg or even a little longer would work just fine. 2. You can simply add a vertical foregrip to the forward part of the rifle. That moves the hand far enough forward of the spray zone that it wont be as much of a problem. As to the double cone set up, a spring loaded detent system could push the cylinder backward anytime the trigger isnt depressed so that the indexing system can work when the trigger is pulled. The trigger initiates the indexing and drops the hammer, and the hammer pushes a mechanism forward against the cylinder, causing the cones to seal. Releasing the trigger will release the lug pushing the cylinder forward, resetting for the next shot.

abt the same time JMBs dad was making his harmonica and revolver rifles in Nauvoo

do one on the pepperbox carbines

You'd think they'd have at least made the cylinder lock lever pivot down, so you could use it with your thumb.

It almost looks like it would be easier to index the cylinder with he hammer cocked as you can easily see where the percussion cap lines up. I agree with one comment I saw where with a bit of practice by this doesn't look too bad. Obviously not as good as auto-indexing, but still great for the time.

That's some manual of arms.

I bet they could not preload the percussion caps. Most likely they added a cap right before they rotated the cylinder to fire.

@calvingreene90

4 жыл бұрын

What leads you to that extraordinary conclusion?

@ForgottenWeapons.. why do you think they didn't taper down the barrel, and rather left it like a huge 'bull barrel'? cutting corners on machining costs?

I LOVE YOU IAN AND I ALWAYS WILL

Could you do a benelli shotgun with the inertial recoil system?

Hopefully it prevented chain fires.

I wonder what the accuracy is like with that gas seal and the heavy barrel.

@ThetaReactor

4 жыл бұрын

A heavy barrel won't have much effect on accuracy for something with such a low rate of fire. Maybe they got a killer deal on really fat bar stock.

That barrel diameter/caliber ratio looks like they did not trust the steel they used.

Dayum I don't even know that most of this guns exist, not so much forgotten weapons for me to say the least.

@calvingreene90

4 жыл бұрын

If lots of people knew about them they wouldn't be forgotten.

"This is my left hand. There are many like it, but this one is mine! I'm not shootin' this thing!" - R. Lee Ermey

@calvingreene90

4 жыл бұрын

You lock the cylinder and then hang onto it when shooting.

@acidwizzardbastard

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, there is a gas seal system for this gun, so...

What’s the latest as when we will be receiving your book? Thanks

Quite the sales pitch

When I try searching for it on the RIA website nothing comes up. Anybody know why this might be?

It seems like the auto revolving piece would make the weapon more dangerous to user if they forgot to throw that lever before pulling the trigger unless there was some internal safety feature attached to that lever to prevent the seer from dropping without the lever down. Thoughts? Great vids btw.

@calvingreene90

4 жыл бұрын

The cylinder being in the rear position takes the primer cap out of alignment with the hammer.

What was the reference for what you did say? Thanks

This would make Van Helsing cry.

Put a blade on it and bada bing bada boom you got a FFXIV gunblade

Forgotten weapons what's your favorite gun?

I wish they would make a revoler for children

Lol since the cylinder locks into the barrel could one theoretically mount a suppressor to this weapon if they were determined enough.

Totally looked like a pistol from the thumbnail

Has this video been demonetised? If so they are still running ads on it

This looks like it would be Gomez Addams's prized hunting piece.

Ian, do you take any interest in medieval/ neolithic weaponry?

Not quite clear on why you couldn't at least half-cock the hammer to open up the view through the port, thus making it 100x easier to center the next shot?

Solomon Kane wants his gun back...

What a creepy, cool looking rifle!

I love revolving rifles Ian, I honestly love all guns except togglelocks but revolvers have to be one of my favorites, especially the rifles

huh, earlier than i thought. Hey Ian, what's your opinion on being dubbed "Gun Jesus" ?

@skyflier8955

4 жыл бұрын

He’s said before that he doesn’t really enjoy the memes, but he understands why they happen. I think he talks about it on in range.

@justink-kh3ps

4 жыл бұрын

@@skyflier8955 ah, thanks for the input

This is the biggerer iron

This wpuld look good in hunt showdown

You should do a video on zip guns

@ScoobieDoobieDoob

4 жыл бұрын

He has