Him, “We reduced the weight by 30%.” Me, a former 11B machinegunner, “Shut up and take the Army’s money!”

@jimik7354

2 жыл бұрын

Just means you can now carry 30% more ammo LOL

@brad506th

2 жыл бұрын

Started life in heavy weapons company. Always felt bad for my brothers on the line units, watching from my turret as they humped mile after mile during a 30 day field problem. Got sore just watching that.😜 (Until getting back to the rear at release and I got to enjoy watching them beer and BBQ from my nice little vantage point in the motor pool for several more hours. But it was nice to not worry about weight constraints. When its time to dance dirty, Ma Duce is THE baddest bitch in the ball. Then transitioned to a line unit, suddenly weight considerations became more of an issue. So 30% weight is appealing, too bad the HMFICs will now add 40% more kit to the SMs load out to take full advantage of all those trimmed lbs. Suprise, green weenie strikes again!😝

@Truthbomb918

2 жыл бұрын

Just means the soldier will carry 30% more ammo and carry the same weight

@brad506th

2 жыл бұрын

@LebaneseChristian. The 11B in me likes this idea. The reclassed 89B in me can only see the logistical nightmare.

@TALIZ0RAH

2 жыл бұрын

@@brad506th I enjoyed being a dismount more than a crew member. When night movements to the drop off got delayed it became a crew problem and not a me problem as I snoozed in the back of a Stryker. Also didn't have to deal with any of a Strykers plethora of problems.

3:18 was mindblowing! Shoots a belt of 7.62 out of a M240, does a barrel swap to 6.8 without cutting the camera shot, then resumes firing with a belt of 6.8mm.

@StormBringare

3 жыл бұрын

The principle is the same as .300 Blackout or 6,5 Grendel, nothing crazy about it really.

@elu5ive

3 жыл бұрын

@@StormBringare it's not about the principle. everyone knows it's nothing new, but the presentation with one continuous shot is genious

@StormBringare

3 жыл бұрын

@@elu5ive It sure gets the point across effectively, I'll agree on that.

@kylemaxwell3726

3 жыл бұрын

doesn't get hot either. Guy touches his face with a casing after

@Apophis544

2 жыл бұрын

Проще взять больше патронов для 7.62

They're like "Well there's a good chance the Army will pass on a bullpup... but we can still sell the blammo in the meantime!"

@JinKee

3 жыл бұрын

they ought to sell complete AR uppers via a manufacturer like faxon, get the ammo onto gun store shelves and that might save their bid in the NGSW

@warfan1994

3 жыл бұрын

I’d love a bull pup in the military. Didn’t like the look of the RM277 at first but I’ve come to like it and I personally own a IWI tavor in 300 blackout and love it as it’s my favorite rifle!

@quakethedoombringer

3 жыл бұрын

That's actually really smart thinking. They can still profit off massively from the designing commission and manufacturing fee of the new ammo even if the DoD ditch their gun

@saketsuman7902

3 жыл бұрын

Truer words have not been spoken

@fastestfail2645

3 жыл бұрын

A yeah bull pups suck. Fun to own but are horrible in combat. Also sig won i think because the army has already started adopting sig scopes and other attachments for their weapons.

This solution would be too easy and too inexpensive. The DOD will never go that way.

@ErikAndersonNorthStar

3 жыл бұрын

Came here to say this. The DoD wants new and flashy equipment. Retrofitting existing equipment with new barrels and ammunition doesn't fit that goal, despite being the budget-conscious and practical solution, which is the only thing that really matters.

@cmarz6564

3 жыл бұрын

Companies would try to contract out barrels at the same cost as a rifle

@russelltheone6969

3 жыл бұрын

Hell no, they are use to spending 65k for toilet paper and 25k for the seat. This would wrench the figures far to much.

@chrismaines1285

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly this is most likely true.

@Hungry_God

3 жыл бұрын

Also you can't sell off old army surplus, making the previous barrels scrap

now that's some smart thinking right there. we don't need new weapon platfroms but upgrading the ammo makes so much sense

@zidniafifamani2378

3 жыл бұрын

That's not really good idea you know, creating new weapons platform is also important for multiple reasons, one of them is weight issues (SAW and Battle Rifle that created 50-80 years ago weight between 18-24 pounds and 10 pounds upwards without attachment, but if the trends of long term, high mobility foot soldiers continue then there's necessity to greatly reduce weight issues, like SIG LMG-68 and MCX Spear that weight like 12 pounds and 8 pounds without attachment). Other reasons is weapons longevity (shooting FURY chamber pressure will without any doubt reduce firearms components life cycle by order of magnitude, if you want shoot "only" magnum/ultra magnum chamber pressure then you have to use longer barrel, which is why GE R277 use bullpup design so they can get 22 inches barrel length without making it too unwieldy in urban/tunnel warfare. Sure you can upgrade you weapons components to withstand new ammo, but after all that aftermarket upgrade you will realize that it's much better to design new weapons that from grown up already capable to handle the new ammo).

@Im_TheSaint

3 жыл бұрын

It does, and none of the new weapons are better than a good old ar10 :D

@xisotopex

3 жыл бұрын

isnt this also actually replacing some platforms? no more saw?

@zidniafifamani2378

3 жыл бұрын

@@xisotopex as far as I know this program called for Rifle, Automatic Rifle (basically SAW) and FC/Fire Control (basically optics).

@panzerkampfwagenvi427

3 жыл бұрын

@@Im_TheSaint the good ole' ar 10 was a shitty prototype and the ar15 was disgrace. The Ak easily beat it in the Vietnam war. Everything after that is a better weapon.

Great sales pitch for your partner Gen Dynamics “begs the question why a Next Gen Weapon is required?” They must love that

@2Potates

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly i'd much prefer that.

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

It's required because the Army wants those performances in a rifle with the dimension of an M4, not of a M14, so, to have the necessary barrel lenght, a bullpup.

@orficaldari3524

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 Sigs getting that performance from a 13 inch barrel

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

@@orficaldari3524 It does using very high operative pressures that: 1) shorten the life of the barrel 2) can't be used on already existing weapons. While this clip shows how the 6.8mm TVCM can be used on 7.62 NATO weapons only switching barrels, because it uses standard operative pressures.

@orficaldari3524

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 That’s right. I keep forgetting each 6.8 cartridge has a different spec on pressures. Interesting

Increase the effective range of the 240 by 50%, thats a serious improvement.

@anhtunguyen781

2 жыл бұрын

@INFOWARS The Alex Jones Channel "equalities for every one" - sleepy uncle Joe -

Finally a simplified and cost effective way of going for the 6.8 rather than building a new weapons system of small arms from scratch, it saves a lot of research, time, resource and money! This is the best way to go.

One thing that I love is the sounds difference. Just hearing the thicker kick in the 6.88 and then hearing the 7.62 sounds like a lighter silenced version is so cool!

I would love to see Paul Harrell do one of his videos on all the entrants into the NGSW program. Chronograph and meat targets would settle the question.

@philweed1603

2 жыл бұрын

And 2 liter soda bottles.

I think the modest ammo upgrade could be a much smarter move than the all-or-nothing approach of a new gun with new ammo and new optic. Especially because you limit yourself to one supplier. A first competition to see if this ammo or the Sig Sauer ammo or the Textron entry is best would've been a smarter first step. Then upgrade existing guns as possible, built new ones as necessary or possible now.

@dowanacarr4824

2 жыл бұрын

Upgraded ammo and barrels makes way to much sense. Army will never go for it.

@extraintelligence

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the weapons they're aiming to replace (namely, the M249 and the M4/M16), while being brilliant and era defining weapons, are really starting to show their age. The AR-15 family has been in service for 60 years, and while it has evolved in both it's rifle and carbine variants, it has limitations inherent to its design that can't be overcome with a simple upgrade. The same goes for the SAW, which was designed over 40 years ago. While I greatly admire both weapons, and they are likely to continue being produced and influencing future weapon designs for years to come, they can't simply last forever; few things ever can.

@Reticuli

Жыл бұрын

@@extraintelligence And yet the MCX line is just a short-stroke piston AR-15 that's been overbuilt to withstand the ridiculous pressures of the new Sig ammo that TV proved was unnecessary. JSOC has also gone with Sig for expensive 300blk SMGs. Two new caliber guns for something one TV bullpup could probably do at a lower cost. The Army brass don't do reasonable things. Look at the cancelation of Comanche. They are on like their 4th helicopter development contract and still haven't even bought one in nearly 20 years of that.

@brucenadeau2172

Жыл бұрын

@@Reticuli the thing is the m240 weights about 21 pounds verus the m250 of 12 pounds

@thedesignerblacksmith5953

6 ай бұрын

@@brucenadeau2172 For now, I think we need both of them, the XM250 and M240 Yes, the PKM can be both a light machine gun. It weight the same as the M249. In countries like Finland they use it as a light machine gun. Russian make a test on that once, but it's a long story. Shorter story is you see Russian ultra-high pressure ammo version of the PKM And so we will do the same thing? Very nice if we do so, but for now, XM250 doesn't have tripod mount capability. This might have to with what the military decided to do in the end

I retired from the Army last year after 32 years. I am grateful to see that there are great companies trying to develop new concepts, new products to help the warfighter regain over-match capability and win in battle tomorrow. Keep up the great work. God bless you all!

@madkabal

3 жыл бұрын

we are on our 3rd year. Just how much "study" do we need? This program is designed to spend money and fail.

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

@@madkabal um...there's a lot. Most weapon programs go through a few years of testing after years of design

@madkabal

3 жыл бұрын

@@chobai9996 a gun dose need that same type of scrutiny. We need to know if it's accurate we need to know it's reliable we need to know if it's easy to clean and we need to know if it's tough. It doesn't take a few years to figure out. This program is designed to fail and is designed to spend money that's all we got boomers and our government that are going to die soon and they don't care what happens to us when they're gone they're going to get what they can get that means bleeding us dry including the institutions that are supposed to protect us so they can line their pocket as much cash as possible before they finally fucking die.

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

@@madkabal mate, you're really quite bonkers..this attitude of "older generations just want to profit of younger ones" isn't a new phenomenon, and it's not really entirely based in reality. Sure, some people when they're getting to retirement could care less about how their actions will affect others, but that's not the majority of people.

@madkabal

3 жыл бұрын

@@chobai9996 I don't care about the majority people I care about the ones who was in charge and that's the attitude of the ones who got themselves in charge. We are fucked. I give the US another 50 years max.

damn, the casing being ejected at 2:08 in slowmo is so fucking satisfying

Makes sense upgrading ammo. Way cheaper. It surprises me that we still use brass casings. Surprised they aren't making 3D printed carbon composite bullet casings yet or something like that.

Hot damn, this is some seriously amazing development of small arms. The cartridge is seriously full of potential. Kudos!

Very cool stuff! Can't wait to see what's next from True Velocity!

This seems like the most practical and the one I see winning the program if it ever goes anywhere.

this seems like a great pitch not only for the military but for the civilian market in selling a better performing cartridge that only needs a barrel change to accommodate.

@GundamReviver

3 жыл бұрын

That's presumably the backup plan

@shawnparrish1999

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I ain't buying plastic cased ammo I can't reload.

@Truthbomb918

2 жыл бұрын

Civilians are well able to go on mass shootings already with the calibres already available

I’ve been a fanboy of the 6.8 SPC ever since the Barrett REC 7 & LWRC PSD, along with being an Infantrymen. I can appreciate the weight savings and lethality of a 6.8 cartridge.

I think this has more upside than Sig's entry. Granted Sig's ammo can be handled by current manufacturers but once licensed to other manufacturers and new machines are set up there is the potential of another 60+ years for this technology. Sig's seems more of a stop-gap for me. Being able to use older designs after a barrel swap gives a viable migration path for older weapons potentially saving a lot of money for the Army.

This reminds me of when they converted muskets into breech loading rifles. It wasnt long until they developed bolt action rifles. Perhaps this is a good intermediary stage that will soon be replaced by something even more advanced

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

Probably one of the most intelligent comments here, instead of the "hur dur no one can beat 5.56 fuck off" comments, or the "US government will never go a cheaper route, har har har I'm smart"

@den-iq1cv

3 жыл бұрын

or maybe this would be FN SCAR - HK416 all over again.

@Wh1stle_03

3 жыл бұрын

@@chobai9996 who the hell is saying that? I thought most people knew that a 5.56 is basically a .22 with more powder.

@kumat0ra672

2 жыл бұрын

It's worth noting that the action of the M240 is literally one of the strongest there is, so the 240 can basically eat this stuff like candy.

@badcat4707

2 жыл бұрын

@jake4595 / just how the hell old are you ??? didn't that happen a couple of hundred years back :-) :-) :-)

The -General Dynamics- True Velocity/Beretta and SIG Sauer both have great entries for the NGSW program, it's so hard to choose between the two.

@borkwoof696

3 жыл бұрын

Beretta?

@borkwoof696

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatredmanguy huh didn’t know that. Thanks for the link!

@thatredmanguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@borkwoof696 Anytime, amigo.

@al01100

3 жыл бұрын

Sigs entry uses far above normal chamber pressures, don't they? Seems to me that their cartridge operates at around 80,000psi

@danielhenderson8316

3 жыл бұрын

@@al01100 - It does. The bi-metal case allows them to use higher pressures without risk of a case blowout as the primer area is reinforced. However, Textron and True Velocity haven’t released their chamber pressures, and in order to get the oomf over 7.62 NATO, you’ll be running higher pressures no matter what you do.

I’m glad somebody still has their head in the game, thanks for sharing. Playthru!

The general dynamics / Beretta RM277 has a recoil mitigating barrel system I'm sold let's see it in action.

What a simple and economical solution to supply our warfighters. I love the concept of being able to change out a barrel and use newer ammo if the 7.62 mm runs out. Wonder if they will do the same with the older M60s that we used back in the day. I'm sure that they still have some still in use or in reserve.

@Reticuli

Жыл бұрын

Too simple and economical a choice for the Army to choose, though.

I hope General Dynamics and True Velocity win

@madkabal

3 жыл бұрын

no one will win. This program is designed to spend money and fail. Like all Army programs. We'll lose the next battle in cool looking uniforms though.

@2Potates

3 жыл бұрын

@@madkabal True Velocity already has some foreign military contacts so i'd say they won

@madkabal

3 жыл бұрын

@@2Potates foreign military contracts mean nothing to me.

@chomper720

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so to, bullpup is the logical choice. Even if none win the TVammo also works in 556 and 762 so they can be used either way.

@The_Black_Falchion

3 жыл бұрын

They’re not going to. In all accounts of people who have tested them they suck. And I’m not talking about videos.

Think that True Velocity's 6.8mm TVCM round is awesome! The barrel swap capability is great for current existing weapons - Just came from Task and Purpose's new video, which is great! And shows how good the General Dynamic's RM277 is with TV 6.8mm ammo! To me, it demonstrates how we do still need the NGSW and that GD's RM277 is the right rifle because it allows you to achieve the 3000 fps you need by utilizing a 20" barrel in a bullpup package, which is done much more ergonomically than a standard rifle with a 20" barrel ever will, to achieve the same ballistic performance - Thus the GD RM277 bid is the best option for the US military NGSW program!

This is really revolutionary... Hope more firearms manufacturers get onboard with this

Simply, WAW! I have some knowledge of small ammo business, and what challenges, both Soviet and NATO adopted calibers ammo face with modern body armour development. You've done a great job guys! This is probably the most significant development in the small arms industry since AK. Next step is ammo cost reduction.

@scottcooksey5284

2 жыл бұрын

You said it, reduce the cost. TV is Uber expensive.

If the Military proves the all 7.62s can be upgraded to the 6.8mm TVCM cartridge with a barrel change then how could they pick anything else, to much money saved.

@electric_boogaloo496

3 жыл бұрын

There haven't been many assault rifles that fire 7.62 NATO used by any branch of US military since the M14. Yes the SCAR heavy exists but it hasn't seen mass adoption. They would still need a weapon system that cuts down on weight and size to make 7.62 class rifles close to M4 size and weight. Bullpup rifle gets the size down to M4 class of rifle again.

@Miazger

3 жыл бұрын

@@electric_boogaloo496 galil has 308 version There is 308 ar 15 not ar-10 don't remember the name tho Ak 12 has 308 variant Hk 417

@electric_boogaloo496

3 жыл бұрын

@@Miazger 7.62 NATO requires a good barrel length to deliver its advertised performance. A true velocity 6.8 round doesn't run the same insane chamber pressure as the Sig 6.8 round (3000+ feet /second out of 13 inch barrel, WTF?) and that's why existing guns can be barrel swapped to run the true velocity 6.8. As an example of good barrel length, think FN FAL or G3 (20-21 inch). Shorter barrel lengths in the rifles you mentioned sacrifice performance for 7.62 NATO and i expect the same for the TVCM round, and wouldn't offer the muzzle velocities that are required from the NGSW weapon system. Barrell length not a problem for medium machine guns like the M240 bravo, Battle Rifles or DMRs but is a problem for assault rifles hence the bullpup configuration for General Dynamics NGSW rifle.

@scratchy996

3 жыл бұрын

The Military Industrial Complex is a hungry beast that needs to be fed.

@RedCandleWax24

3 жыл бұрын

The military and DoD is a place to spend money...not save.

Here because BF2042 will add the RM277 in S4. Funny enough is that the weapon is deployed alongside the MCX Spear, which is the weapon that had beaten the RM277 in the NGSW.

I mean to be fair since this is meant for 7.62x51 chambered guns, your standard-issue rifle is still only chambered in 5.56 so you can't just rebarrel all the M4s out there. Also, I think the military wants a new flashy gun with new flashy optics anyways, like something to really show off how much we spend lmao.

I would really love to see some price comparison to normal brass rounds and some long-term reliability tests on these polymer rounds. Currently everything right now is just "Proprietary, go bugger off". I must say however, that I did enjoy seeing the SAW operator take that casing off the ground and tapping it against his cheek.

@dandini0698

3 жыл бұрын

which makes me wonder, where does that heat go? you actually want brass the be hot since it takes away the heat from the chamber.

@nejch1568

3 жыл бұрын

@@dandini0698 I'd assume the amount of heat energy the brass rounds take out isn't that significant.

@VRforAll

3 жыл бұрын

@@nejch1568 Polymer being an insulator means less chamber heating. More energy goes to propelling the bullet, which is the point of hot burning/expanding gasses propelling a bullet. Taking heat away from the system via the case is counter-productive.

@bodoque_csm

2 жыл бұрын

@@nejch1568 it very much is

@bodoque_csm

2 жыл бұрын

@@VRforAll that's not how it works, you want the case to absorb as much heat as possible so that it draws heat away from the rest of the gun. a hot chamber increases the risk of cook off and a hot barrels will start to lose accuracy

I hope the True Velocity submission wins for entirely selfish reasons. 1. They are a commercial company and will definitely offer civilian sales of the caliber. (Although probably not with the 6.8 AP bullet since it was designed by the army themselves). 2. With sufficient volume the polymer case is much less expensive to produce than brass. At full production ammo should be much cheaper than brass equivalent. 3. Existing .308 firearms take their caliber making it easy for many manufacturers to start offering it without designing an entirely new firearm around it. This means cheaper firearms that take it. 4. Being able to convert existing 7.62x51 to this means it will likely take full adoption faster. This means a lot of 7.62x51 surplus. Also more cheaper ammo.

If this can handle in the cold weather, this would be the best thing ever.

That is seriously impressive! Fantastic work!!

The Army will never pick this because it actually makes all the sense in the world

@Polenar2

3 жыл бұрын

@Erozpl01 01 i think so too

@danialyousaf6456

3 жыл бұрын

@Erozpl01 01 what if they use this 6.8 ammo with the sig weapons ?

@danialyousaf6456

3 жыл бұрын

@Erozpl01 01 hmm ok.

@genewellnapata445

3 жыл бұрын

@Rob Hunter I wish that will happen, so I can back to army and truly protect my country, just for once.

@robjose5669

3 жыл бұрын

@Rob Hunter lmao revolution😂. Aint nothing gonna happen. We all gonna weaken ourselves then china will invade

Lol this was too sensible for them to adopt.

Reed Knight cameo is the best part of this video, can't believe the LAMG is that modular while still maintaining the constant recoil system

Awesome work!

When US army says they're "over matched" the Talibans are like "dude stoppppp, I'm still using my grandfathers gun! I need give back to him after this fight. Stop upgrading!"

@FLMKane

3 жыл бұрын

Grandfather's Lee Enfield can definitely outrange an m4

@anxietydisorders5917

3 жыл бұрын

lmao what a dumb video

@godmode4790

3 жыл бұрын

@@anxietydisorders5917 stfu trrst

@mgsxmike

3 жыл бұрын

@@godmode4790 spoken like a true weeb keyboard warrior

@flameout12345

3 жыл бұрын

@@FLMKane Are you saying United States lost to a bunch of Lee Enfields? lol

Would be funny if the US army just adopts an M4 chambered in 6.8.

@warfan1994

3 жыл бұрын

@Jared Guillory damn I hope not. I think the military is ready for the bullpup. Big fan of the RM277 way more than the sig spear.

@Joker61861

3 жыл бұрын

A m16a4 in 6.8 would be lethal

@warfan1994

3 жыл бұрын

@Jared Guillory Agreed. You’ve seen that Lockheed and Raytheon the top military contractors have been implementing a lot of CRT and white privilege recognition programs so yeah the politics have pretty much corrupted everything at the top level even military generals and admirals.

@Gruvy

3 жыл бұрын

@@warfan1994 countries with bullpups are moving away from them. No one likes reloading in their armpit especially when prone. Also if your left handed or vice versa then pick up a buddys rifle, having hot brass hit your neck is not fun.

@warfan1994

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gruvy but the IWI tavor I’ve tested doesn’t do that. I’m a right handed shooter and shot it left to see if the brass would hit me but it never did.

GREAT bridge to future weapon systems!!!!

This is what you call innovative idea. Not only this is smart, brilliant and innovative but also very cost effective. Government entities should be inviting people for such solutions. Many educated and talented people out there who are able to offer such genius ideas. This is a prime example of that one idea. The weight reduction is huge benefit and yet keeping the performance beyond expectations. Any grams cut down from Helis help efficiency. This a long term vision to be looked at. Very well done 👍 Hopefully this idea gets taken on board. All the very best! 👍👌

As long as their NGSW rifle has 30-round magazines - I’m sold!

@danielhenderson8316

3 жыл бұрын

They’d be extended magazines. You’re going to be looking at .308 numbers for standard capacity due to cartridge size.

@7ElevenTruther

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielhenderson8316 Well when it comes to 7.62 nato sized cartridges, 25 rd magazines would at least be a decent compromise for the something that's supposed to fill the role of an m4. I have a friend who has a couple 25 rd .308 pmags for his ar10. Their just long enough that it would make a noticeable difference in carrying capacity assuming a combat load of 6-8 mags plus 1 in the rifle, but not too long that you couldn't go prone with a bipod. At the end of the day, the army is too indecisive to actually know what it wants and It's probably a safe bet that they'll cancel the program last minute when they inevitably get cold feet unless congress were to intervene, so 5.56 is definitely here to stay. But there's no reason true velocities ammo can't be adopted as a replacement for 7.62 nato in existing platforms. Not to mention, just imagine all the cheap surplus ammo that would flood the market lol.

I can't believe Sig won over this...

I have no idea whether the numbers quoted by the narrator are accurate or not but the production on this video was top notch, I enjoyed it thoroughly with my bowl of spicy beef ramen.

Great work guys!!! Keep up the hard work. Stay Frosty!

I would say that we need to replace the weapons for the Active Duty Military (Most likely sig will win), however, for our reserve forces, the barrel swap and this new ammunition could improve the military's performance while keeping costs low. I don't see it necessary to upgrade everyone to the NGSW right away but doing a staggered approach where at some point in the future the reservists get the NGSW. For now, this would be a great stopgap measure for the reservists while making more jobs for Americans.

I have a feeling there were a few angry calls, emails, and memos after this video.

Biggest issue I see is that this is the next gen "squad" weapon. It's all good to replace 7.62 barrels with new 6.8 barrels, but like the two M240's in weapons squad are often the only 7.62 weapons at the squad or platoon level. So they would have to buy new weapons to replace the forty or so 5.56 weapons in every platoon. Meaning they still need to have a NGSW rifle. Meaning this entire option is superfluous.

Dam this is amazing!! A.few barrels and it's 6.8mm. Brilliant

The US Army's greatest mistake. They had the chance to lower combat weight, extend range, and utilize en-masse existing platforms...and they went with a upsized sig mcx....jesus.

Anyone know is the plastic Ammo casing is reusable or if we just littering plastic everywhere ?

@lightningxx

3 жыл бұрын

In the name of the MIC of course. Maybe they can make them out of PLA lol

@MetalGearSEAL4

3 жыл бұрын

Reloadable? No. Recyclable? Yes.

(+)Energy, (+) Range, but (-) weight for a bullet with just barrel swap is an excellent improvement...

This round, in the Steyr AUG is the unicorn weapon everyone has been chasing for years. As long as the open bolt Steyr AUG actually exists.

@abysmith9083

2 жыл бұрын

The soldiers that have actually had to use the AUG all want an AR platform....

@Truthbomb918

2 жыл бұрын

@@abysmith9083 that's not true at all.

What are the higher barrel pressures achieved through ? Isn't it by the ammo having more grains ? If you want to have to just switch barrels to accomodate 6.8 at normal pressures wouldn't that mean you are using another 6.8 ammunition than the one used for ngsw ?

@MetalGearSEAL4

3 жыл бұрын

6.8 tvcm doesn't have increased barrel pressure. Those are what the other bidders in the ngsw (sig and textron) are doing meet army requirements. GD's idea of getting their own 6.8 projectile to meet the requirement set out by the army (6.8 projectile leaving the barrel at 3k fps) is by having their barrel be longer. Hence why they're submitting a bullpup. Because their 6.8 doesn't have increased pressures, you can shoot it in other platforms unlike the other bidders.

@_sunfish

3 жыл бұрын

@@MetalGearSEAL4 can I see your source from that ?

@MetalGearSEAL4

3 жыл бұрын

@@_sunfish kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKFqlrWgcZWzY9Y.html This states that general dynamics is going for a longer barrel as their approach. kzread.info/dash/bejne/foNkppuJdJO_ntY.html This is a designer for the sig submission stating what their approach was to get the 6.8 out to 3k fps, which is high pressure, but that a longer barrel was an option. The rest is common sense. Standard legacy designs cannot handle the insane pressures put out with an 80k psi cartridge if all you do is swap the barrels. Hence why true velocity is unique in that regard and that's their selling point.

@_sunfish

3 жыл бұрын

@@MetalGearSEAL4 oh ok, I didn't know that a simple longer barrel was enough by itself to get pressures that much higher. That would mean sig actually has an huge advantage here meaning that the military could get even higher pressures and thus range and lethality with longer barrels and sturdier weapons, like in stationary weapons, actually longer range and power than gd for the same length, that might be a reason of why would the military selects sigs because apart from that there isn't much advantage from sigs proposition. I know your sources states that sig uses high pressure rounds, and gd longer barrel allows for higher pressures, but it doesn't directly say that gd ammo doesn't have higher pressures rounds to be precise, but that's highly probable because it would mean changing 6.8 type for regular weapons which is an logistic hassle. and I think they would have mentionned it in the video, if they didn't said anything it's probably that the ammo is the same. Tho reducing grains ammount isn't impossible to do but it is highly unlikely given the informations we have.

@MetalGearSEAL4

3 жыл бұрын

@@_sunfish TV's cartridge design is not high pressure simply because it's a polymer casing. Sig had to incorporate a steel base design into their cartridge simply because brass would blow out from the base of the cartridge with those pressures. You can imagine a plastic certainly wouldn't handle that high of pressures. Textron's bid is also a polymer casing and has very high pressures, but their design has it where the chambering of the cartridge is being redesigned so the casing bears none of the pressures. TV's 6.8 design likely doesn't have that significant of pressure differences to that of a 6.5 creedmoor. Which is still high pressures, but certainly not to the area of 80k psi. As for the advantage of sig's design, while that is true, we're still talking about putting this in the hands of a standard infantryman. The military often times doesn't replace barrels and parts as much as they should be, so you can imagine an 80k psi would eat barrels extremely quickly and leave operators shooting MOAs the size of of a garage door. That alone creates a massive disincentive to pick anyone other than GD. But, perhaps sig or textron has a secret we don't know, or their lobbying power is greater than GD's, or the army is that clueless about planning for the future.

This ammo is the most interesting bid to me in the NGSW program. The bullpup doesn't do much for me.

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

Why, because you're a loser? I doubt you've even fired many normal rifles, let alone a bull pup

@AlexanderEddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@chobai9996 Hahahaha, what's wrong buttercup?

This is amazing and educational. I am a guy looking to get a new gun smithing and engineering and ammunition and ornament. These kinds of videos are right up my alley. Great work and really awesome how you can build a new rifle as well as an ammunition that can be easily adapted to existing armament. Way cool super awesome keep it up

ok, the round im all for. that is amazing . dont see a need for the new guns. ad im happy that the cartridge i built for a swap as well.

Makes too much sense , in the end who’s palms are getting greased and by who will determine it all .

Nice and everything, but... with great guns comes great logistical obstacles. Which is why Sig will win.

@RockSolitude

3 жыл бұрын

The logistics obstacles will be more or less the same. New cartridge, new rifle, new army doctrine required to support said cartridge and rifle, new manual of arms. While SIG might be able to fool people on the internet by giving their new rifle a familiar face, the DOD would be able to see past it.

@donny6775

3 жыл бұрын

@@RockSolitude X for doubt

Absolutely fantastic !!!

I am reminded of upgrading weapons in strategy games. Always spend extra resources on research!!😁👍

and the winner is GENERAL DYNAMICS

Did anyone notice, the TVCM rounds were quieter in the LMG! Though I will say this, when you watch a vid 'Best Secret Home Safe' then it's no longer ( SECRET ), Sssshhhh🤣👍 PS, there's a bullet out there that requires no shell casing, no powder accelerator, no barrel it called, a Virus!

Outstanding.

Very informative 👍 Subscribed

I think this is probably the best idea. "If it works". Most of the new rifles and machine guns I have seen are cool but nothing really worth swapping out all of the stuff the army already has.

May I ask what weapon that the enemy has in mass has superior ballistics to 556? 762x39 is slow and heavy, much less range, much less wound frag, much less armor penetration capabilities, 545x39 is basically a lighter 556, and 762x54R goes up against 308, 338LM, and 300winmag NOT 556

@IDFVids

3 жыл бұрын

The point of the new round is to provide the soldier the ability to defeat the body armor worn by modern militaries. You have completely missed the point of the program.

@mr.c.3760

3 жыл бұрын

@@IDFVids I understand that that part well, but why would the US military be preparing for something like that? Every one of the world powers has a nuclear capability/ deterrent. We're way more likely to go up against another poorly equipped African, Latin American, or Middle Eastern country then against China, India, North Korea, and/or Russia, who to this day, still don't equip their soldiers in mass with level 4 body armor, just their SOFs, it doesn't make sense...

@genewellnapata445

3 жыл бұрын

@@mr.c.3760 because new "enemy" is not them.

This is excellent. Best of luck gentleman.

I never thought the .223/ 5.56 was a good round for our people to go into war with. Glad to see them step it up.

Interesting "jargon" your rep chose to present in describing the features of this dynamic bullet system: Seems too limited in scope...maybe that's the intent.

Historically speaking, changing the caliber of a already existing gun hasn’t worked out too well in the past right? What’s gonna make it any different here?

@CrustyActual

3 жыл бұрын

Technology....

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

Um, how? We literally see in history the evolution from muskets to breech loading rifles, then to bolt action, many of which were just modifications to a musket and using a slightly modified barrel to accommodate a new round, or even the same barrel but just rifled. You seem to not know your history

@boogbirb495

3 жыл бұрын

Cho Bai well I was more referring to the 30-06 mg42 or the black powder guns being remade into smokeless powder

@boogbirb495

3 жыл бұрын

Also to be fair we are talking about modern technology so it may be different today

This is a cost-effective soln! Way to go!

you guys are the bomb!

Sad cost-effective EM-2 in 6mm round noises

Please make next generation adult size diapers,they’re needed the most in Afghanistan

@kikogray

3 жыл бұрын

what does this mean?

@kikogray

3 жыл бұрын

@Gunner what are the diapers for?

@StormBringare

3 жыл бұрын

@@kikogray Not having to leave your position for going to the toilet. Commonly used by pilots and people like SF and reconnaissance units when in observation positions. Sometimes law enforcement uses them in surveillance as well. Oh, and people who gets off on pretending to be a baby.

@tullo5564

3 жыл бұрын

@@kikogray Really? You don’t know that? Well,the war-specialists and trained marines wear diapers in Afghanistan.So they don’t poop out of fear

Whatever happens with these contracts you have to admit, that general dynamics bulpup looks freakin’ nice

Yeah nice work 👍

This sounds great but how on earth did they achieve "much more energy" with the same chamber pressure?

@Jafmanz

3 жыл бұрын

if you knew that you would be selling this ammo...

@nejch1568

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense to me. They traded projectile mass for velocity, so unless they made the gunpowder more efficient I have no clue. I'd rather believe that was just the marketing department spilling out propaganda about "Energy".

@lorddarius8417

3 жыл бұрын

Longer barrel

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

@@nejch1568 if you make a bullet smaller, it goes farther with the same amount of powder, it doesn't take a genius to understand this.. it's like how you can throw a tennis ball much farther than a baseball using the same force. Because the energy is compacted in a smaller area, that area thus deals more damage as it's concentrated, whereas a larger projectile spreads the damage out more; this is why these smaller bullets end up penetrating much more

@nejch1568

3 жыл бұрын

@@chobai9996 That is exactly what I was saying, your not getting my point. I was stating that they retained the same amount of energy in the bullet, they simply traded mass for velocity and that their marketing department said dumb stuff.

Well boys someone's got to ask, are the expelled cartridges biodegradable?

3 жыл бұрын

Most probably not, bc that would decrease shelf life on things that sit for a few years before getting shot

@lordhuck2689

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfdgfgf the case was never made of lead. It’s the bullets that contain lead. This new plastic ammo can still and probably will use copper plated lead bullets.

@borkwoof696

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordhuck2689 the 6.8 NGSW rounds use lead free bullets

@lordhuck2689

3 жыл бұрын

@@borkwoof696 that’s at least not true for the Sig bid. What’s your source on the TV bullets being lead free? Even if some of the true velocity were lead free it doesn’t preclude lead core bullet being used.

@borkwoof696

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordhuck2689 all of the ngsw entries use the same 6.8mm general purpose projectile designed by the military that is akin to M855A1 and leadfree: www.google.de/amp/s/www.military.com/daily-news/2019/10/27/inside-armys-quest-revolutionary-new-bullet.html/amp The manufacturers don’t have a say in what projectile they use, just in how they propel it.

I'll give TV credit, they're _not_ putting all their money on one horse. GD may not make the cut, but they're doing their level best to sell the product. And yeah, for several platforms, a barrel swap IS the most effective solution. (Bonus points for giving Knight's Armament light assault weapon some luv.)

An old gunny told us during training that if you're fighting fair you are fighting to lose and thats the way it is

OK so how muh will the Ammo costs be? Right now everything is made out of UNOBTAINIUM

@chobai9996

3 жыл бұрын

The shell casing are literally made of what is essentially plastic...that's already 10 times cheaper right there

im getting arma 3 vibes...

We absolutely love and appreciate your fine weapons. Greetings from Sinaloa. 🇲🇽 🙏⚔️

This is perfect !

For all of you saying “too easy and too little money” understand that increased chamber pressure means greater wear and tear on the internal components. Swap the barrel this month and then the rest of intervals the next. Stop thinking that keyboard warriors who watch a 5 minute video somehow have all the knowledge and insight to choose the future of the government weapons program.

The AR platform needs to be replaced. Piston driven firearms are the future.

@2phonebabyjay199

3 жыл бұрын

Why does it need to be replaced?

I think if nothing else, TV might win themselves a contract for the case technology.

This really is brilliant

6.8 from True and the MCX Spear are the best choice option for the Next Gen program IMO. #Jakehunter88

well i hope the casing is bio degradable , or the future battlefields will be forever marked by a sea of plastic

@scratchy996

3 жыл бұрын

If its bio degradable, it will degrade in storage and be useless when needed. No one cares about the environment during ww3.

@97denis97

3 жыл бұрын

@@scratchy996 ww3 my ass, 90% of ammo is used in training. Have fun with even more plastic trash cluttering up the ocean... And bio degradable doesn't mean that it will rot in storage duh?!? Biodegradable bioplastics can be just as durable as other types of plastic, as they only break down in specific conditions.

@Glove513

3 жыл бұрын

You recycle your plastic bottles, yes? The redemption value on the ammo should be much higher than normal food grade plastic.

@scratchy996

3 жыл бұрын

@@97denis97 "Have fun with even more plastic trash cluttering up the ocean" - I will, thank you.

I think these guys are going to win the bid. Greatest sales pitch ever.. cheap easy reliable quick replacement and coat saving... ohh yeah I can hear pentagon saying cha-ching.

This is probably the easiest and best way to get someone at the DOD to pay attention to the concept. Telling the public. If you're not a gigantic arms manufacturer they won't even take notice of you. Telling the public. Kudos

It’s about time, I remember hearing these rumors over a decade ago when I preferred an AK over a G36 purely because of the round difference

Godspeed. Brother!!

Looks amazing we should probably make the polymer casing a different color that blends in better with the environments that we operate in.

Man, I SO WANT to use a SCAR with TrueVelocity NGSW 6.8mm, will allow higher velocity and penetration and ballistic performance yet 30% lighter, which means lighter load, I think the NGSW is also better at redirecting heat from the chamber so less overheat and thermal signature. This video is pretty dope.