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Newport Vessels NK-180S kayak motor, powered by FPV POWER Review
This is my review of the Newport Vessels NK-180S brushless kayak motor, powered by dual FPV-POWER 50Ah batteries.
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Thank You for the mount info. I will order one. You changed my mind from the motor guide spot lock to the Newport 180. Your info was very valuable. Thank You for all your e
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it helped.
Wow, very cool setup. A electric motor on your kayak w/ lipo batteries. Smart move, small & portable, though expensive. Thx 4 sharing on Utube.
Good job Tim. Glad the battery concerns are working out well. The weight of your set up sure makes me like that option. But as you know I went for the Life4PO and at 33lbs it sure adds some weight. I too am very happy with the Newport Vessels NK 180s great value.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
Absolutely outstanding Tim. Many thanks and the BIG plus for me and perhaps you is that we can choose our own battery setup. In time, Lithium batteries will drop. The "OTHER" company, well I would not be the ranch on them dropping their prices. Also as an FYI, Newport Vessels DOES offer a Military Discount. Reach out to them and complete the proper documents and a 10% savings.
@tribalncgaming1091
3 жыл бұрын
i use 100ah lithium from tobatteries.com on ebay.. for my 55lb .. it was 500.00 shipped .. i get about 7-8 hrs on the water with it.. for the price of the other guys 80ah battery torqie.. you can buy a pair of 100ah for the nk180 :) and still come out cheaper .. with no downside.
Interesting. Good video Tim, gave me something to think about for next year. Still leaning towards an OT Sportsman because of the entire package, minus a battery source, for me is an "easier" option. I agree however, your solution is as good as, or better than the "other" option, and far less expensive.
Great video, can’t can’ t get’m in the net if you’re line is not wet . Cool 😎 lure not wet , I’ve got bait tank so live bait. I really like this set up .
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I do almost only fresh water... I never have a need for live bait for the species I fish for.
liked the video, also as an FYI .. I put a 5hp mariner on my pa14 .. and i got between 7-8mph and i couldnt steer at all :) .. so there is a hull speed limitation regardless of prop size :)
These batteries are great, but very expensive! But for good reason. They know its not mini compact 50ah nowhere around! So they know its gonna be a hit on the kayak market, so they priced it as what you see now
Very cool set up Tim
Thanks for the info. Still trying to decide between a spot lock trolling motor and this. I’ve got use cases fo both. From a weight standpoint, your set up would be much better. Something to consider with a Hobie PA, as loading and unloading is already a challenge without a motor and battery.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I now sell rear motor mounts that I make for the NK-180S (fits Torqeedo as well). The one issue I had with using the Hobie Power-Pole mount or other mounts out there was; the motor mount stuck out too far and made it difficult to lift from the rear. My mounts move everything in more so it's easier to lift from the rear.
@blindsquirrel
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Do you have a site where you sell the mount? I need to put my bill of materials together to look at the total cost (motor, mount, batteries…)
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
@@blindsquirrel There are a few dealers in the US that sell my products: Mariner Sails, The Dugout Bait & Tackle and Strictly Sail. I sell direct to customers in Canada.
Great numbers for a pro “tanker” !
I have the same motor on my Hobie Outback fully loaded and me @220 pounds. I am using the FPV-POWER 24v LiFo 50ah battery and yesterday as an example, we left at 7 am and fished until 4:00 pm and the battery never dropped a bar! I was completely shocked. We were trolling for striper and so the motor was going all day. My initial voltage was 27 and ended the day at 26, I dont know how its even possible, but my partner there with me has the same rig and same results. You don't need 2 batteries with the LiFo package.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
These are only 12V 50Ah, so you need two wired in series for 24V. When you wire them in series, they are still only 50Ah, but 24V
thx
Sweet spot for battery life is around 3 mph
could you do a video on how you made the setup (Battery) I am thinking on doing the same setup
Thanks for the video, looks like a great option for my PA 14. I was curious how well you could maneuver your boat with the motor in a fixed position and using just the rudder. Thanks for any feedback
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
It maneuvers well using the motor in the fixed position. I'm currently producing steering control for the Pro Anglers with NK-180S (it will work with Torqeedo as well). The advantage to using the steering control is; you're able to make quick adjustments in boat positioning. When using just the rudder, you need to get some speed to make any turning motion. Steering with the motor, you can turn the motor, give just a bit of throttle and you can adjust you position.
I'm really wanting the NK300 for my Native Slayer Propel 13. I have decided that if I do go electric, that I want to significantly exceed the 3.5 mph speed that I typically pedal. I want to expand my fishing range, and get there sooner. I actually would like to keep my Propel drive for slow trolling and fishing. I'm thinking that 7+ mph might be doable with the NK300!
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
I get about 6.2mph with NK300. I'm 275lbs in the Hobie PA
Tim, do you have a video with your set up for the batteries in the pelican case?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
8 ай бұрын
I show a little more detail in this video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3ehr6icXdyYZbw.htmlsi=2Adei2IgrGLLWu5a
Good Vedic Tim. The batterie set up is perfect for me. I have a pa 14 360 also, need some advice. I live in southern calif. and fish the lakes. Would the Newport de good to go with or the motor guide si3 55 pound trust and spot lock be better.pretty close in price. Thank you for your expertise.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
For me; with a 360 there is no need for spot locked. For me the motor is to get me from point A to point B and then I use the drive to adjust while I'm fishing. I am very happy with the Newport NK-180S. The Newport will be faster and more efficient than the MotorGuide
Are you still steering with just the rudder, or have you added foot control or something else? I’m getting the Newport 180 and a Hobie PA 14 180 and I’m unsure Best route to go for steering while motoring
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
I make a steering system for the Pro Anglers and a Universal Steering System for other kayaks. You can check out Tim Percy Kayak Fishing On Facebook
@tlashley
Жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing thanks for the reply! Really enjoyed the install video. I’m considering the foot control steering setup as well.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
@@tlashley My steering system isn't foot, it works off the Hobie Steering handle...it steers the motor and the rudder. When you have the motor in the stowed position, you can still steer with the rudder. fb.watch/hsktYtmZUi/
Hi Tim how do you plug the wires of the Nk to the wires of the battery? Have you had to modofy the former wires of the nk ok? Could you show how or tell?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
19 күн бұрын
@@FISH4KAYAK I added the solar panel style connectors
Awesome Tim!
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Thank you for the videos Tim. Great job! With the help of your videos, I am close to pulling the trigger on the NK-180S for my 2020 Hobie Outback. I have used the 24 lb thrust Watersnake with a PWM and 54AH Dakota lithium LifeP04 battery the past year. I ran the motor through the cassette and has worked well with a top speed of 3.8 to 4 mph. I am 6'-2" and 240 lbs. As I see it, being able to keep my 180 Mirage drive where it belongs - in the drive well, will be a real benefit. I am curious however, will the NK-180S allow me to troll shorelines at very slow speeds for my bass fishing, or will I have to use my pedals to do this? Currently with the PMW I can troll at very slow speeds, no matter what the wind conditions are. Again, thank you for the NK-180S videos . . . much appreciated.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
My last trip out I was trolling for walleye at 1.1-1.3mph....it would go slower, but that's my walleye speed.
@jerrykrobby
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing would it troll at 0.3 mph?
@Captain_Kdawg
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve just built a 24volt water snake to put in my dive pod.. haven’t gotten a chance to take it out yet. But beginning to second guess me fishing in the ocean. With the wind and the tides if it’s even going to be enough. I really thinking about going the nk180s route. I also can build my own batteries soo I can say some money. I’d use a lifepo4 battery put them together in parallel and series. To make 24volts. I built one about 120 amp hours 12 volts for the water snake. Haven’t had a chance to put it in the water. But really thinking I should had went this route..
Hi Tim would the Newport vessel fit through the Hobie cassette hole like the watersnake.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried to fit it through there
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
I just checked; it will not fit through
@tonyallen1953
Жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Many thanks Tim
How much was the battery pack?
When you purchased your batteries, did they come in the pelican case or did you purchase that separate.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Purchased that separate and the Hobie thru hull wiring kit as well
Great video. I am in the middle of fitting my NK-180S to a Point65 Tequila kayak. Do you realize that your pedals are creating a massive drag though? I would like to see how you perform without the pedal drive. Greetings from Scotland.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I realize the pedals will add some drag, but it's not something I'm concerned with. With the top speed at 4.8-5mph I'm happy with that. It's not worth taking the pedals in and out for a little more speed.
@dmnguye69
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with not lifting the pedals out, the speed and power doesn't seem to be any issue with 60lb of thrust, too spoiled by this motor :)
Nice video, Tim. Can you please tell me how you connected your battery monitor to the battery? Thank you.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
The Nweport-Vessels NK-180S throttle has the battery meter built into it....it has a 'bar' style indicator to give you an idea how much battery is left
Good vid!!
Tim, how did you wire them 24v in series? I see that they only sell the parallel connectors. Obviously your setup works great, most 12v lifepo4 batteries with an integrated BMS say not to wire in series, so I'm interested in how FPV supports the paralel connection for 24v. Thanks Much!
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
To wire them in series, you just connect the positive from one battery to the negative of the other. Then you use the positive from the one battery and the negative from the other. Yes, FPV supports wiring them in series like this. To charge, you use the smaller connectors for each battery and charge them separately....charge each battery as a 12V.
@MichaelPieper97
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing That is what I was assuming would work, but they are not clear on their support wired in series so I really appreciate your reply. Thank you!
Really trying to decide on the new nk300 or the torqeedo 1103ac. I understand the benefits of using whatever battery you want however if cost is not a problem I wonder of torqeedo would be better. I like thought of having a cleaner setup of the torqeedo battery and added benefits of the GPS.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
I'm a bang-4-your-buck kind of guy. For me, the Newport is the best bang-4-your-buck. With Torqeedo, you are limited by their battery. With the Newport you can choose a battery that will extend your time on water for less money
Do you need a breaker between battery to motor?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I dont use one and haven't had an issue.
@grahammarshall6135
Жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Breakers are not for when "you don't have an issue". A breaker saves your bacon when "you DO have an issue".
@grahammarshall6135
Жыл бұрын
yes
@TimPercyKayakFishing
Жыл бұрын
@@grahammarshall6135 I realize that, almost 2 years and I still haven't had am issue. I'm a firm believer in; the more connections, the more potential for problems.
Hi Tim, Thanks for the demo of your setup. I'm planning to do the same set up. Wanted to know how did you extend those cables past the box, did you get an extension harness?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
There is extra wire that comes with the Newport NK-180S, but I this kit off Amazon for extra connectors and wire. www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B079CG2X81/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
@ofishal8463
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Thank you for the info and reply.
Thanks for a great video. I just purchased the NK-180S for my 2020 Outback. Now just trying to decide what power source to go with. Your FPV setup looks great, but pricey for me as a recreational fisherman, so Im also considering a 24v Lipo4. I know there are positives and negatives with both. For your FPV, can you tell me alittle more of how you have it set up? I know they are wired in series, did you put in a circuit breaker? Also, for charging them, do you have to disconnect them from series to charge? Also, which charger are you using? Thank you, Brian
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Brian, yes the Lithium ion polymers are expensive. I currently have a FPV-Power LiFePO4 setup as well... it's two FPV-Power 12V 50Ah LiFePO4 batteries wired in series. I don't have a circuit breaker on either of my setups. The Lithium Ion Polymer batteries come with their own charger. They have a smaller cable on them that you just plug the charger into. You don't have to disconnect them from series, just plug a charger in each. I would recommend the Lithium Ion Polymer if you are concerned about weight and size, but it comes at a price. The LiFePO4's are cheaper, but a bit heavier. The LiFePO4 setup has a higher initial voltage (when you put all the numbers together they will have more Wh), so I expect I will get a little more run time out of the LiFePo4's..... I hope that helps.
How much was the cost of the motor and battery ?
There are a couple things that could contribute to the voltage drop. One is that electric motors draw a lot more than rated on startup against a load so you can get a large temporary voltage drop til it gets going. Another could have to do with poor quality batteries. I've built 3 electric bikes, my first one had a very large and worrisome voltage drop from batteries that weren't up to the task. My 3rd bike had very little voltage drop because I had quality cells with proper discharge capacity. It looks like your batteries have a 60 amp discharge rating, so shouldn't be a problem. I will say though from my pretty extensive experience and research concerning batteries that there is a lot of BS in the battery market. Inflated numbers about, and sometimes the product is not even close what it says it is. Good to go with reputable battery suppliers and manufacturers. But these days everybody has a million positive bs reviews. Good to pay attention to the negative ones as well as do research on the supplier from multiple angles. Could also be that the controller is designed to use a different type of battery with higher nominal voltage.
Thinking about ordering this kit, but the wiring in series says it's still 12v 100ah. How did you get 24v? Serious question
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
It's not when wired in series, it's 24V 50Ah. When in parallel it's 12V 100Ah
Thank You Timor the quick response!! One more question, do you use your own pa adapter plate or Hobie? If by chance you use your own design are the available for sale? Your the Man. Thank You, Rich
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I use my motor plates. I make two designs; The Single, which is for motor only or Power-Pole only. The Triple Threat is for the motor and one or two Power-Poles. I designed them because I wasn't happy how far the metal motor mount stuck out with the Hobie Power-Pole mount. With my mount it moves the supplied metal mount inboard a few inches, which makes lifting from the rear much easier. There are few dealers in the US selling them: Mariner Sails, The Dugout Bait and Tackle and Strictly Sails.
Great Video thanks. I'm leaning FPV as well. Mostly because they are half the weight of the lifeP04's. I looked at battleborn and AMPed. Both weigh in over 30lbs. The FPV are around 14lbs according to Mariner Sails. Is that about what your setup weighs, 14lbs?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I believe it's 19lbs in the Pelican case
Awesome video Tim ! What did you use for a battery box for you lithium batteries?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
It's a Pelican 1400 case.
Can you explain the battery to motor wiring and the parts used? Also, do you have or can you do a video on the install of your steering control system on a Hobie PA 12/14 360. Thanks.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I have some unedited video of thw steering system install, but I need to do a better one
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I can send the clips of the install through FB messenger
@mdgins
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Are the clips of the battery install? Really need more info. on running them serially, extension to get out of the box and the connectors. I have no electrical experience. Clips of the steering would be great also, but I think I saw one of your posts that said it didn't really work beyond 40% power and that you'd gone back to using the rudder. Thanks.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
@@mdgins I scrapped the first version on the steering as it used the Hobie rudder lines to turn the motor as well. The latest version, which is sold at a number of dealers has separate cables to turn the motor. It still works in conjunction with the Hobie rudder steering, but has separate cables for the motor. To wite the batteries in series(for 24V), connect the positive from one battery, to the negative of the other. This will leave you a positive from one battery and a negative from the other battery, you connect these to the motor. These are the thicker 10 gauge cables. The smaller connectors is where you can charge the batteries. You will have to charge each battery separately, with the supplies chargers.
Great video! 👍 What's the max wind (kt) and sea height you feel safe with that setup?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I only do fresh water.... mostly Great Lakes. Wind is all dependent on direction. I've been out in 3' rollers, but there are too many variables.
Great videos helped me make a decision for my PA 14. I noticed you pulled up your rudder on the way in. Are you using the motor fixed utilizing the rudder to steer? If so was wondering what your opinion is on that as well.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
I did design a addon to the steering drum, to steer the motor, since this video. It works at part throttle, but anything over 40% throttle, there is too much resistance due to the torque of the motor. I've pretty much reverted back to putting the motor in the fixed position and steering with the rudder.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
Still love this motor.
@anglersanonymous714
3 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Awesome thanks for the quick reply. I was going to spend way too much and get the Motorguide xi5 Saltwater but this is way more cost effective.
Thank you for great video. That FPV batteries got me interested. Can I ask where you ordered from? I assumed you can't get this in Canada. Perhaps you can provide the links to the FPV and the kayak motor. Thank you.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
I actually warehouse and ship for Mariner-Direct in Canada. We warehouse most FPV-POWER and BerleyPro products. www.mariner-sails.com/mariner-direct-canada/
@SongFong
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing thanks for the link, will check it out.
Hey Tim how does it steer using the factory rudder?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
3 жыл бұрын
In the fixed position it turns ok. Using the 360 drive to assist really makes a difference. Turning radius does suffer a little just using the rudder, but I'm not looking at making tight turns while using the motor.
Where can I get the same set up of the battery pack that you have?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
The batteries are available through Mariner Sails. I bought the Pelican case and installed the batteries
Thanks so much for the video. Good stuff!! Are you able to go back and forth between rudder steering and NK-180S steering with the single (original) rudder control knob? Or do you have to do one OR the other after you've made this mod? Ideally, I'd like the ability to use the motor and steer with the NK-180S system, OR lift it up out of the water and immediately be able to steer with the rudder knob. Any help would be appreciated as I'm seriously considering the Hobie PA14 mirage 360 and NK-180S setup.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, if you lift the motor, you can steering just with the rudder.
@MrScrappydo17
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing hmmmm, i must be slow this morning (or in general, lol), i get that when the motor is up, you use the factory installed rudder control knob. But when the motor is attached, i thought that had to be tied into the factory installed rudder control know as it doesn't have any steering on its own. so how does the factory installed rudder control attach to BOTH the motor and the rudder? i must be missing something
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrScrappydo17 My new design uses separate cables to steer the motor. They are attached to the steering handle, but when you lift the motor up, it creates slack in the steering cables. You can still steer the rudder, but with the slack in the motor cables it doesn't affect anything.
@MrScrappydo17
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing sounds perfect, got any pictures or videos? I bet I'm not the only one who would benefit from seeing THAT!!
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrScrappydo17 I plan on doing a full KZread video, once I'm finished with production. I do have video on my Facebook page using the prototype
How do you like the steering with the motor in the fixed position?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
It's OK for going A to B. I like my steering system for instant turns and quick adjustments.
@Osprey1955
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing What I was wondering about is the ability to turn using the kayak steering system while the motor is in a fixed position as opposed to connecting the motor steering to the kayak steering. Thanks
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
@@Osprey1955 Yes, it still steers ok with the rudder and the motor in the fixed position.
I'm only showing 47 watt hours. I'm running 24v 40 ah battery setup (series-parallel)
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean it's only showing 47Wh on the throttle control when you go full throttle? If so, that's because it's out of the water with no load on it.
@1221Ralph
2 жыл бұрын
@@TimPercyKayakFishing Ah I see. Yes exactly. I did not know that it needed to have load. I will try it out again by dunking it in a large tote.
Any problems steering with your rudder?
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
It steers well with the motor in the fixed position and just steering with the rudder.
What pelican case are you using??
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
1400
Where I can buy battery
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Where do you live?
hi im ken would you buy the torqeedo- over this you said you spent 1000 battery's i priced the two battery's you used and it was 2000 and 800 for the motor thats almost the price of the 403 torqeedo tell me what you think and can you give me price again i really like the torqeedo 1103 its 2600 but it gives you range tell me what you think please
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
Ken, yes the lithium polymer batteries can be expensive. Those batteries would give you 1250Wh. The big Torqeedo battery is only 915Wh. The LiFEPO4's batteries cheaper....you can get 24V 50Ah LiFEPO4's batteries for about $800-$900US. I just did a LiFEPO4 setup with two FPV-POWER 12V 50Ah LiFEPO4 batteries wired in series for 24V.
@TimPercyKayakFishing
2 жыл бұрын
You can check my post on Instagram