Here is how I rig the motor on my PWR 129. Bonafide PWR129 Fishing Kayak | Full Walkthrough kzread.info/dash/bejne/mal9mrWEn9afdag.html

Thank you for taking the time out to make this comparison. I feel this video will age like a fine wine.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate that

Great video man. Im on the fence with which one to buy. But this video helped

Very informative piece, Chad. Thank you. Now that I've found a mounting bracket from Ketch, I've decided on the NV NK300 and this video made my decision more comfortable. The standard mount from NV doesn't allow for micro pole anchor and they do not offer one that does. Btw, lithium iron batts are outrageous in price!

Great information thank you chad

Great video Chad so glad you broke the 2 motors down like you did because i was wondering what motor i should go with i had the old 1103 motor but been looking a the new one and really like the new 1103 and the new handle set up

Great unbiased comparison. You did it right. Thanks Chad. Keep up the good work

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Michael

Great comparison Chad. For lift/reverse and Steering lines, I went with 1,000 pound UHMW Cord, inside 1/4" plastic (Nylon?) Tubing as a "Liner" on both 'Yaks (Got tired of breaking the stainless steel steering cable on the Titan 10.5, nearly 7 years ago. So far, it's lasted over 6 years on the steering!). The liner for the steering lines of the NK300 are in the same 1/4" Tubing, and nearly "friction-less" with the addition of MoS2 (Dri-Moly) Lubricant, on the Titan X 12.5.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

👍 Thanks for sharing!!

Great video!! Would love to see both add a rock guard as it is almost a must when fishing rivers like the Susquehanna. Tight lines!!

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

You can always add a rock guard aftermarket through companies line Innovative Sportsman. Having it come stock would drive the cost up substantially and not everyone really needs it. Hope that makes sense

@cbailey0001

2 ай бұрын

Good point. Thanks again for a great video!!

Good video!!

Great video as usual Chad. I appreciate you comparing the two motors. As you know, I have the NK300 on my kayak. I chose it over the Torqueedo not so much for the motor but because of the kayak I was putting it on. I felt like the NK300 for me seemed like a better fit for the Native Watercraft Titan-X 12.5. The battery being heavier was not a problem because the battery compartment for the Titan-X allows the battery to sit lower in the kayak, and The Titan-X is designed to carry more weight than many others on the market, like the Bonafide PWR 129. In fact, my battery sits on the bottom of the kayak on a foam pad which makes the center of gravity much lower which is also a plus. I also initially thought the Newport was much cheaper than the Torqueedo but as you mentioned when you start making the power somewhat comparable (36V 50AH Amped Outdoors battery) the cost pretty much evens out. I agree there is a major flaw with how soft the raise and lower arm is on the NK300; it ends up bending one way or the other every time I take it out. I have a machinist friend who is working on a fix for that problem. Not sure what it will be. I'm leaving that up to him. I'll let you know if it works for me. Keep making these great videos. Thanks!

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Terry. Great feedback. See you this weekend on Santee Cooper

@MSmith-jf5wo

2 ай бұрын

Got the same as you - NK300 and the Titan X in 12.5 (already have a Titan 10.5 with an NK180 on it, and wanted something something a little bigger for open water). If I have any problems with the lift arm bending, I'll have to make something that will NOT bend (Titanium, perhaps?). Lol Already considering making a steering yoke assembly for the new NK300, as I don't like plastic (6061 Aluminum is coming to mind right now, with a machined/welded collar on the steering "Butterfly"!).

Definitely feel like this is a pretty unbiased comparison which is great. I agree, the arm and the steering system should be higher quality on both given their price. I have the NK180, partly because the 300 hadn't came out yet but also the upfront cost was significantly cheaper than Torqeedo. Now that said, I'm running two cheap12V LiFePO4 in series which also kept the total cost under $1K. If I had to redo it, I'd probably go with a single 24V Battery but hopefully down the line I'll upgrade.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and for sharing that. These types of responses are really what will help others make the best decision for themselves when they are getting ready to pull the trigger on a motor system

I can’t agree with you more on the Steering triangle! I called NPV and told them to make it of some kind of alloy and they said they were thinking about it? It is a real problem. Will see? Great info Chad!

@ChadHooverFishing

20 күн бұрын

Thanks George

I believe you are spot on with everything you said about the Newport….. I have no experience with the torqeedo. My only concern about the Newport is no good options for a water proof battery that I have found. It seems to be very difficult to find a water proof case to house the battery without taking up a lot of space. I feel that would be torqeedo strongest advantage. I guess it would only matter when you flip your kayak. Thanks for sharing the information !!!

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

That’s probably the biggest issue that folks that primarily use the Newport have also brought up to me. I think installing it inside of the YakAttack BlackPak is a good compromise

@fishntools

2 ай бұрын

It's a thousand dollar convenience for a low capacity solution.

It appears that the Torqeedo battery is much smaller so therefore would be much lighter. Is that a correct observation and if so, how much smaller/less weight is the Torqeedo battery? I'm looking to power the inflatable NRS Rival Fish so size and weight are a concern for me.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Yes. The current battery only weighs 12 lbs and has a smaller footprint. The new one that’s coming out soon will increase capacity, but the weight is also going up to 19 pounds, which is still about half the weight of a comparable lithium battery.

lol, I know you got that question from me a hundred times 😂 Thanks for sharing with everyone else

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Only a hundred??? 😂😂😂

@FishINwithGRAMPS

2 ай бұрын

@@ChadHooverFishing 😁

If i wanted to buy a Torqeedo for my Titan X 12.5, what would you recommend? I do have an XI3 on it now. Mainly looking for speed and using my XI3 when i get to a spot. Probably use the XI3 during tournaments but that thought could change?

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

I would recommend the Torqeedo 1103.

@BrettCrowther

2 ай бұрын

@@ChadHooverFishingThank you!

The pricing split is what makes this whole thing so difficult. I think everyone probably wants the Torqueedo (I know I do) but just are not willing to go that all in. It has held me back for a while, then I got right up to buying and the 1103 disappeared and also became obsolete. Perhaps I will cave at some point.

@JamesJohnsonFishing

2 ай бұрын

That's definitely where a lot of folks are at. It's hard to justify the price jump given that Newport is putting out solid competition at a significantly lower price. If they were closer, accounting for battery cost of course, you'd see a lot more Torqeedos.

I can’t wait till a company decided to build a kayak around a motor. Inboard motor kayak would be next lvl. I’m saving my quarters up to get a motor in my kayak hopefully by the end of this season for next season!

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

That’s what the PWR 129 is….

@EricLewis-fk3rp

2 ай бұрын

Radar 135 with Helix MD (made by Torqeedo specifically for Wilderness kayaks)/Oldtown autopilot? Maybe I misinterpreted what you are suggesting. I have the radar 135 (no motor drive) and like it. Would prefer a stern motor though but that would mean removing the rudder. Wish the rudder was underneath and not in the way of a motor like some kayaks and there are some other changes I’d love to see with the Radar if they ever decide to update it.

Great comparison, one issue I have with both manufacturers is the reverse lockout. Neither company has added a solenoid to actuate their reverse lockouts! It's an easy mod but I feel in todays age, they should up their game! The other thing is, if your a river runner Ah capacity is a big factor. The propitiatory power pack feels like extortion.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

The problem with adding that is then you have to also have a control and electrical input and most solenoids are lower voltage (12V) so it would require a separate battery source or step down transformer and associated circuitry and the cost increase simply isn’t worth to increase in functionality. That said, we are working on a trim function system that will allow fore and aft trim, up and down and we can simply ad an actuator to allow for reverse lockout as well.

For me, the deciding factor was weight. The Torqeedo Travel Ultralight with battery is 17(!) pounds lighter than the NK300 with a 36v 50ah Enduro and that's before adding a waterproof battery case.

The price point and the fact I could put any size battery I wanted why I went with newport. After dealing with their customer service and now being on my third motor in less than 6 months has made me wish I went another direction.

@JamesJohnsonFishing

2 ай бұрын

3?! What's been the cause to RMA them?

Sounds like the nk300 is the open source motor of the stern mounts. Not a fan of proprietary stuff. It is also cheaper and comes with a more complete system..seems to be a no brainer purchase to me.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

You have to keep in mind that when Torqeedo designed its system there were NO lithium batteries available to consumers. When I said complete system I meant for rigging the motors, the Torqeedo actually comes as a complete system and the Newport requires (and allows) the addition of a battery.

So for the most part, these two are relatively equal except for the price where a quick search, not trying to find the cheapest price on the internet, the NK 300 (the most powerful model from NV) is $1200 and the Torqeedo is 1103 is $2700. The NV batteries cost 12v or 24v cost about $800 and the $36v is $1800. The Torqeedo comes with a battery, it may be proprietary, if that was in the video, I missed it, but if that is the case that would not be ideal.

Well said Chad.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thanks David

Which is faster?

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

All things being equal the Newport is slightly faster (.1 MPH) at one tenth of an MPH, but it depends on how big of a battery and load out you have. Again, this is with my weight, my gear and on the BONAFIDE PWR 129 so it could be different for others or for me in other configurations or in other watercraft

Wow such a biased video, didn’t even include the Bixpy “JET” motor! Lol I’m just kidding Great video. This video will answer tons of questions, not just the video but also the comment section! 👍🏼👍🏼

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

Newport was my choice, Price, Hookup ability, Bigger battery, If your running two batteries you always have a back battery. You can run lights power pole charging ports to that battery and hook your electronics two it own battery.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Very few people are actually going to buy two separate Lithium batteries and also carry that amount of weight on their kayak in reality. Especially when you have to also have 12V batteries to run everything else. Glad you have a system that works great for you.

@kevinwarn2057

8 күн бұрын

@@ChadHooverFishing Could just get a cheap 36v to 12v converter. No need to have separate batteries.

Great!! Get ready for a price increase!!! Damn it

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

The prices are already on the website

I think the Torqeedo is better. Longer track record and more refinement. The biggest difference is the data provided in the throttle, much better than Newport. That said, I bought the NK300. $1700 all in, including a battery (from China and Amazon) that will go two days w/o charging. The Torqeedo is $3000, including a battery that sometimes doesn't last a full day. You might need to spend an extra $1000 for a second battery if you fish hard in current and want to last all day. Both are great and have more than enough power. For the wallet, the Newport wins.

My NK 180 sounds terrible after 18 months in salt water. Im sure the bearings are shot.

Cant do it. Paid $3,500 for my yak. Not paying $3,000 for a motor. Price point is way too high.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Okay. 👌 I paid half of that for my kayak sooooooooo…….

Torqueedo makes a great product for sure but with Newport having 10% off plus a $499 LiTime 55ah 36v LiFePO4 battery off Amazon, brings it to about half the price. If Torqueedo didn't have a proprietary battery they would be so much better!

@ChadHooverFishing

Ай бұрын

They might be a better value, but their battery and it making a complete system is what makes Torqeedo more advanced. The great thing is we all have choices and can decide what is most important to us.

I have a feeling torqeedo does not care about this market, and now with Yamaha being the new owner, forget about it.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Good thing feelings don’t have any bearing on reality. I’m not sure why Yamaha would have bought them if they didn’t care about the LP (low power) electrical market. I think they bought Torqeedo to go head to head with Mercury for LP and we will all benefit from this competition within the space.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Also, statements like this are always funny to me. Corporations aren’t capable of “caring” as much as we like to throw that phrase around. They aren’t people, they are a collection of people working together to generate a profit, that’s what they (all of them) “care” about.

@AliexFolgueira

2 ай бұрын

@ChadHooverFishing always being an afterthought Chad, won't change.

@AliexFolgueira

2 ай бұрын

They don't care about making money on $3,000 products, they rather sell the high ticket stuff

No way I’d pay 3k for an electric kayak motor 😂

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Cool. You do you. 😎

Torqeedo's customer service isn't good.

first

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

Thanks

The Torqeedo batt is a complete ripoff. The motor is prob great my opinion of it.

@Dave-ny9el

2 ай бұрын

As an owner of neither company's motor, why do you say Torqeedo's battery is a ripoff?

@FishingCPA-yf3oz

2 ай бұрын

@@Dave-ny9el Well you have to understand what it is first. The make up of the pack. There 18650 cells series together to make whatever voltage they use. I have a Tesla pack at my house that’s basically the same thing it’s 5.2 kWh. That I paid 950$ for. There forcing you into that pack because part of your control board is in the pack.

@ChadHooverFishing

2 ай бұрын

That’s absolutely not true or even close to true. The battery is part of the system and houses the GPS components that make this system as advanced as it is. You are not “forced to buy their battery” it’s just that their system comes as a system with its own battery and frankly when they developed and designed it there weren’t other marine lithium battery options available. From a weight and reliability standpoint nothing even comes close in the industry. So, you can’t compare apples to apples because this is the only apple there is and the rest are oranges.

@FishingCPA-yf3oz

2 ай бұрын

@@ChadHooverFishing No it’s 100 percent true dude I Know it’s a system and I could take the board out and make my own pack. Please tell me what’s not correct. There are 18650 cells in the pack. Then they have a part of the control board in the pack if there is a gps in there great. Don’t care don’t need it.

@FishingCPA-yf3oz

2 ай бұрын

@@ChadHooverFishing Let me make this easier for you to understand. The problem with the batt is you are buying new electronics with every batt. Thats a stupid design. I raced and built a lot of rc cars. They use brushless motors to run them. The components are quite simple. Your electronics which is your esc Electronic speed control and a receiver that's for your remote. Then you have your brushless motor and a lipo battery. There all separate parts. Buying the torqeedo batt would be like having to buy a esc with every batt I purchase for my rc car. If they would just separate the darn electronics you could make an affordable Batt

Ppl too out of shape to paddle or peddle so now jonboats can enter kayak tournaments

@ChadHooverFishing

Ай бұрын

If you are gonna making a comment trying to insult someone, learn now to spell and use the right word.